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"The Shape of Water" from Guillermo Del Toro premieres to raves at Venice

Best Actress nom for Sally Hawkins?

Sally Hawkins stars as a mute cleaner at a U.S. government aerospace facility who bonds with an amphibious creature in Guillermo del Toro's Cold War romantic fairy tale.
The Hollywood Reporter
replies 235Aug 31, 2017 8:28 AM +00:00


For those few cinema scholars who speak of some motion pictures as “films,” and others as “movies,” Guillermo Del Toro’s glorious “The Shape of Water” refu…
replies 1Aug 31, 2017 8:32 AM +00:00

"Amelie and Creature from the Black Lagoon."

Splash II?

replies 2Aug 31, 2017 8:42 AM +00:00

I loved it

replies 3Aug 31, 2017 8:46 AM +00:00

Did you see it R3?

It looks corny.

replies 4Aug 31, 2017 8:57 AM +00:00

Octavia Spencer is also getting talk for a supporting nomination.

replies 5Aug 31, 2017 8:59 AM +00:00

If del Toro wins Best Director -- then a Mexican will have won that award for the fourth time in five years. Not bad, three amigos

replies 6Aug 31, 2017 9:03 AM +00:00

I think it looks interesting. At least it's not a remake or a comic book movie.

replies 7Aug 31, 2017 9:35 AM +00:00

What's not to like? Featuring character actor, Richard Jenkins, in another gay role...

In the Cold War-set *The Shape of Water*, the Mexican director takes aim at the desire to Make America Great Again.
replies 8Sep 4, 2017 9:58 PM +00:00

She's mute in it? That has been done to death. (Marlee, Holly Hunter, Jane Wyman, Miss Patty Duke)

Enough. Learn your lines.

replies 9Sep 4, 2017 10:18 PM +00:00

It just won the Golden Lion. Surefire Oscar contender now.

replies 10Sep 9, 2017 2:45 PM +00:00

Guillermo is the first Mexican filmmaker to win the prize.

UPDATE, writethru with backstage comments: Guillermo del Toro’s lyrical period fairy tale, The Shape Of Water, was crowned with the top prize Golden Lion here tonight at the Venice Film Festival. T…
replies 11Sep 9, 2017 2:49 PM +00:00

Red band trailer.

IN THEATERS DECEMBER 8 From master story teller, Guillermo del Toro, comes THE SHAPE OF WATER - an other-worldly fairy tale, set against the backdrop of Cold...
replies 12Sep 15, 2017 7:23 AM +00:00

I saw it. It's great and NOT Amelie twee at all. There are stunning moments of gothic brutality. A bit easier to take than Pan's Labyrinth ... but still a beautiful hybrid of a movie.

Hawkins and Spencer are fucking superb.

replies 13Sep 15, 2017 7:30 AM +00:00

R13 I so hope Hawkins get the Oscar for this. She's such an antidote to the Lawrences of this world.

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replies 15Sep 15, 2017 7:32 AM +00:00

Everybody's so uniformly excellent in this: Hawking, Jenkins, Spencer, Stuhlbarg. Michael Shannon plays such an odious character that it's easy to overlook how good he is, too.

replies 16Sep 15, 2017 7:37 AM +00:00

Hawkins^^, not Hawking.

replies 17Sep 15, 2017 7:37 AM +00:00

Why are women so often paired with animal love interests in movies?

replies 18Sep 15, 2017 7:51 AM +00:00

Looking forward to it. I thought Hellboy was underrated.

replies 19Sep 15, 2017 8:04 AM +00:00

Guillermo Del Toro loves children death, incest, now bestiality.

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replies 21Sep 15, 2017 8:05 AM +00:00

Patty Duke said "Wa-wa".

replies 22Sep 15, 2017 8:07 AM +00:00

Big loser at Spirit Award nominations. What happened? I still remember the near-deafening hype when this opened at film festivals.

replies 23Nov 24, 2017 1:36 PM +00:00

Give her a Golden Globe first so she can give another batshit-crazy speech and blow her Oscar chances again.

--Mike Leigh, bitter
replies 24Nov 24, 2017 1:50 PM +00:00

Michael Shannon plays an odious character? Groundbreaking. I still haven’t recovered from his terrifying Off-Broadway performance as the Narrator In Our Town. It was like he used Jeffrey Dahmer for inspiration in this classic piece of Americana. Talk about a choice!

replies 25Nov 24, 2017 1:51 PM +00:00

Video review by Alonso Duralde, Ben Mankiewicz and Christy Lemire. Stunning, emotional, multi-quadrant movie. Has every shade of green you can think of.

I had no idea Stuhlbarg was in this movie as well.

The Shape of Water starring Sally Hawkins, Michael Shannon, and Octavia Spencer directed by Guillermo del Toro is reviewed by Alonso Duralde (TheWrap, Linole...
replies 26Nov 30, 2017 3:32 PM +00:00

Can this director ever fail or lay an egg?

replies 27Nov 30, 2017 3:40 PM +00:00

R27 Crimson Peak wasn't that good and The Strain was pretty awful.

replies 28Nov 30, 2017 3:45 PM +00:00

I wasnt crazy about his remake of Dont Be Afraid Of The Dark.

replies 29Nov 30, 2017 3:55 PM +00:00

I'm one of the (I assume) very few who did not like Pan's Labyrinth. I didn't think the brutality was "earned" and I didn't think he got into the mind of a child, as many said he did. I'm interested in the new one in part because I think Hawkins is great.

replies 30Nov 30, 2017 6:05 PM +00:00

I saw this tonight and was absolutely blown away. It’s honestly one of the best moviegoing experiences I’ve had in years. I could easily see it being nominated for 10 Oscars: Picture, Director, Actress, Supporting Actress, Supporting Actor (Jenkins), Screenplay, Editing, Cinematography, Makeup, and Score. This is one people will be watching for years to come.

replies 31Dec 4, 2017 6:57 PM +00:00

Does she have to have sex with the monster because she is a kind of monster because she is skinny, plain and mute?

replies 32Dec 4, 2017 7:13 PM +00:00

I didn't like Pan's Labyrinth and all I can remember is that I didn't like it and there was something gross about it and it was not aesthetically pleasing.

replies 33Dec 4, 2017 7:14 PM +00:00

R28 Crimson Peak was just dreadful, I agree.

I liked Pan's Labyrinth at the time, but I don't think it's held up that well. I saw the Devil's Backbone a couple of years ago and liked it enough. I can't put my finger on why, but The Shape of Water looks different from the other films of his that I've seen. I'm intrigued by it.

replies 34Dec 4, 2017 8:20 PM +00:00

People have begun referring to Octavia as "The Black M." Which is horribly, horribly, HORRIBLY insulting to Octavia's talent.

replies 35Dec 4, 2017 8:32 PM +00:00

Sounds interesting just need to know one thing: is it gory? I love suspense but I hate brutality and gore.

replies 36Dec 4, 2017 10:59 PM +00:00

I heard the creature eats cats. I assume this is supposed to be quirky and cute, so I’ll miss this one.

replies 37Dec 5, 2017 10:13 AM +00:00

Not quite, r37. Actually, the creature is a huge fan of “Cats” the musical. Which is admittedly rather disgusting in its own way.

replies 38Dec 5, 2017 2:02 PM +00:00

Cannot wait to see it I am a sucker for romance combined with fantasy.

replies 39Dec 5, 2017 2:57 PM +00:00

"The creature eats cats?" How original.

replies 40Dec 5, 2017 6:49 PM +00:00

It looks fascinating.

replies 41Dec 6, 2017 10:34 AM +00:00

OH GOD, I HADNT BEEN SO EXCITED TO SEE A MOVIE FOR AGES- SO excited from the trailer, to see this. Even though I agree with R30 and R33 COMPLETELY about PAN but.....




The Shape of Water hammers away at a cliché message: What’s ugly is midcentury American prejudice. The real monster is human ...
National Review
replies 42Dec 6, 2017 2:42 PM +00:00

R42 is wrong about Hamilton and wrong about The Shape of Water, which is a beautiful, exhilarating film.

replies 43Dec 6, 2017 2:49 PM +00:00

That is what I expected it to be, R42. Good comments. I saw another ad for it today and I thought: I am not going to that.

The Square is kind of fun. Have you seen it?

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replies 44Dec 6, 2017 2:53 PM +00:00

R42 Well, that's disappointing to hear. However, Kyle Smith is trash and your opinion is kinda invalidated by linking to that ridiculous website on a homosexual message board.

replies 45Dec 6, 2017 2:57 PM +00:00

Sorry R45-I'm not homosexual and just happened to find that review while looking up others who didnt like it either. I dont know that website yet feel NO ONE is invalidated for their opinions. NO ONE.



And thank you R44 for that. Looks good!

replies 46Dec 6, 2017 3:19 PM +00:00

Lol love an all caps review from the National Review!

With some tweaks this could have been the creature from the black lagoon installment of the dark universe. But no, they seem to be determined to make the dark universe pictures soulless, extremely loud and cgi laden shitfests.

replies 47Dec 6, 2017 4:18 PM +00:00

R46, you don’t know what the National Review is?

Close your mouth, dear—you’ll attract flies.

replies 48Dec 6, 2017 4:21 PM +00:00

does she fuck the beast? could be a bigger scandale than armie plowing timmy

replies 49Dec 6, 2017 4:29 PM +00:00

Does the monsters pussy stink?

replies 50Dec 6, 2017 10:39 PM +00:00


I didnt check the website nor the reviewer.

I just listened to his words.

if you need externals to judge someone/thing as valid or not, good luck with that.

But I'm from a mindset that doesnt believe in labels of good or bad-nor give much credence to such things

You get more from people that way and have more to offer a discussion than your unrelated comments.

--The fly going in is yours
replies 51Dec 7, 2017 1:29 AM +00:00

I saw it for a second time tonight, and it confirmed that for me this is the best movie I've seen this year (though I haven't seen The Post or Phantom Thread yet).

replies 52Dec 22, 2017 8:33 PM +00:00

Hated Pan's Labyrinth, in part due to the brutality.

Love Sally Hawkins.

Are cats hurt in this?

What to do!?

replies 53Dec 22, 2017 8:37 PM +00:00

I'm not into superhero movies and fantasy is not usually my thing but this looks good, maybe it's the love story that's appealing to me.

replies 54Dec 22, 2017 8:47 PM +00:00

Does Del Toro make films without fantastical creatures in them?

replies 55Dec 22, 2017 8:55 PM +00:00
Why are women so often paired with animal love interests in movies?

My thought exactly. It's so fucking weird.

replies 56Dec 22, 2017 10:28 PM +00:00
Are cats hurt in this?


replies 57Dec 22, 2017 11:57 PM +00:00

Thanks. That, and the memory of the cruelty in PL, settles it.

replies 58Dec 23, 2017 12:18 AM +00:00

but its a quick scene and you dont develop any attachment to the cat beforehand

But I thought I'd LOVE this movie.

I was SO wrong.

SO empty.

Kept looking at my watch wanting to leave!

replies 59Dec 23, 2017 12:20 AM +00:00

"But I'm from a mindset that doesnt believe in labels of good or bad-nor give much credence to such things"

And Datalounge welcomes you: another amoral sociopath.

--We have several here.
replies 60Dec 23, 2017 12:29 AM +00:00

I was the reverse r59, when I went into this movie I wasn't expecting to like it that much, and it blew me away. Fantastic achievement in film.

replies 61Dec 26, 2017 3:38 PM +00:00

can you explain why?

replies 62Dec 26, 2017 3:39 PM +00:00

From that awesome National Review, um, review:

" falls to the gay best friend to step up and read out del Toro’s thesis like a waiter announcing the specials of the day: The creature is the normal one. It’s we humans who are weird. It’s such a deep thought, I look forward to seeing it again in book form, in the closing pages of 50 Shades of Scaly."

replies 63Dec 27, 2017 2:09 AM +00:00

Btw, what's so bad about that National Review site?

Pretend that I don't slavishly follow American politics (since I don't).

--not r42
replies 64Dec 27, 2017 2:11 AM +00:00

I really wanted to like it, but it just didn't work for me. I still can't understand why this creature wasn't guarded 24/7.

replies 65Dec 27, 2017 3:36 AM +00:00

The mute woman has to have sex with the ugly monster. We are sick of the Harvey Weinstein story!

replies 66Dec 27, 2017 3:38 AM +00:00

Nice, R66

--Guillermo del Toro is about as fat as Whalestein, afaik
replies 67Dec 27, 2017 3:43 AM +00:00

I thought the movie was very pretty to look at (set designs, art direction, cinematography, etc...), but the story is incredibly dull and predictable, and every single character is a cliché. I agree with the reviewer upthread who said that the gay character literally spells out the thesis of the whole film like a waiter reading the specials of the day. There is not an ounce of subtlety or psychological complexity in the script. Every character is either perfectly good or irremediably bad, without any hint of nuance.

replies 68Dec 27, 2017 3:58 AM +00:00

best movie of the year

highly recommend


replies 69Jan 8, 2018 4:54 AM +00:00

totally agree with R68

Written by a simple mind for a simple audience

replies 70Jan 8, 2018 5:43 AM +00:00

Well i saw it and didn’t get it.


replies 71Jan 8, 2018 5:54 AM +00:00

good god, im surrounded by aliens with no brains....

replies 72Jan 8, 2018 5:55 AM +00:00

we all came long long ago from the ocean..... think about that one.

replies 73Jan 8, 2018 6:39 AM +00:00

Also agree with R68. Visually lovely, and I fully appreciate del Toro's ability to get original, non-franchise, non-comic book films made in today's Hollywood, but when it ended I sat there thinking, "That's IT?!" Horrible script, shallow characters, and all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. I can't believe the praise this film is getting.

I think people are in such a stupor from a constant diet of comic book movies that no one can recognize quality anymore.

replies 74Jan 8, 2018 6:46 AM +00:00

R42 sound like a raving loony having a psychotic hissy fit.

Anyway, I saw the movie. It's very nice, but not as thrilling as I hoped it would be.

replies 75Jan 8, 2018 6:49 AM +00:00

R68, thank you for nailing down the reasons for why I liked it, but didn't love it. Gorgeous and charming, and I adore Jenkins, Sally, and Olivia.

It has the same ending as SPLASH for goddsakes.

replies 76Jan 8, 2018 7:00 AM +00:00

I felt the way you do R74 about THE ARTIST. I couldn't believe people ate up that horrible tripe since, I guess, no one has seen a silent film in 30 years.

replies 77Jan 8, 2018 7:02 AM +00:00

I saw it. I thought it was a beautiful film, but I wasn't impressed with it as much as I thought it would be. Here are some of my thoughts and they contain SPOILERS:

The living quarters of every character look like carefully contrived theater sets. Now I know this movie is supposed to be a fantasy, but it still seemed so obviously fake.

The sex in this movie was pretty nasty. The creature bites off two fingers belonging to the over the top villain played by Michael Shannon, but tells someone he still has his "pussy finger. Later his wife, who looks like a stereotypical housewife of the fifties takes his wounded hand, sniffs his "pussy finger" and places it on her bare breast. The scene then cuts to Shannon, his pants pulled down, on top of her in bed, pumping her hard. She seems uncomfortable but he muffles her cries with his hand over her mouth. Sweet little Elisa compulsively masturbates while while soaking in a bathtub, which seems to indicate she liked sex in the water. Of course she does; she later fucks the fish creature. Mercifully, there's no graphic sex scene between them, but all I could think was "she's getting fucked with a fish penis? How could THAT be pleasurable?" I know it's a fantasy, but it just seems gross to me, not romantic.

The fish creature, not knowing any better, eats one of the gay guy's cats. That seems to be a given in horror movies these days: the death of a nice little animal. I find it tiresome and disgusting.

The ending was predictable. I think for me that was the biggest disappointment. I was hoping the ending would be more original than that.

replies 78Jan 8, 2018 1:16 PM +00:00

Just read the synopsis on themoviespoiler. It sounds like a dark-hearted Splash.

replies 79Jan 8, 2018 3:49 PM +00:00

I could never love a person who is not in the Rapture from this artful soulfull film

replies 80Jan 8, 2018 3:51 PM +00:00

Well smell you r80.

replies 81Jan 8, 2018 3:53 PM +00:00

R78, I hated that cat scene also, and the gay character is so non chalant and hardly broken up over the event, referring to the amphibian: "He's an animal, that's what they do."

replies 82Jan 8, 2018 4:05 PM +00:00

R82, we’re not all weeping Marys. I would have reacted the same way.

--Great film
replies 83Jan 8, 2018 4:07 PM +00:00

I was hoping the cat eating creature, compulsively masturbating Elisa, the sassy black negro stereotype, and the annoying as hell gay guy would ALL end up at the bottom of the ocean.

replies 84Jan 8, 2018 5:18 PM +00:00

I watched it last night, and it was kind of a chore to get through. It wasn’t bad, but it was meh.

replies 85Jan 8, 2018 5:31 PM +00:00

r74 nailed it. When the movie was over, I felt it had been way over-hyped.

replies 86Jan 8, 2018 5:33 PM +00:00

R75-" It's very nice, but not as thrilling as I hoped it would be. "

Are you a woman?

replies 87Jan 8, 2018 6:10 PM +00:00

And just for your benefit, as a gift for the New Year R75-

when people attack other posters like that it because they do not have the strength of their own convictions,

and need to attack others to gain some

--Psych 101
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replies 89Jan 8, 2018 8:22 PM +00:00

bark wobble can enough seven

replies 90Jan 8, 2018 8:27 PM +00:00

for R89 R90-

Someones been drinking past the New Year and it aint me. Get a glass of water)

replies 91Jan 8, 2018 8:30 PM +00:00

Just saw it. It was good, but weeeeeeird. I was surprised at a couple of the hideously violent moments - not because I don't like violence, just because it was not where I first thought this movie would go. I loved it, though - and I loved the ending.

--Freaky Leak
replies 92Jan 9, 2018 4:29 PM +00:00

3rd act got horribly bloody with Russian espionage gone truly bad, and bad cat scene.

replies 93Jan 9, 2018 5:07 PM +00:00

I saw it tonight. I enjoyed it, but it wasnt what I was expecting. The cinematography was great....especially the beginning and the end with the underwater scenes.

replies 94Jan 10, 2018 7:04 PM +00:00

this was atmospheric and romantic and loved all the music and colours. we loved it.

replies 95Jan 10, 2018 7:18 PM +00:00
replies 96Jan 13, 2018 11:15 PM +00:00

Loved it like and like r92 I was shocked at a couple of violent moments and sex scene w Shannon!

replies 97Jan 13, 2018 11:17 PM +00:00

‘Guillermo del Toro’s The Shape of Water’ Insight Editions Book Is a Gorgeous Must-Own

We review Insight Editions' gorgeous and insightful "making of" book 'Guillermo del Toro's The Shape of Water: Creating a Fairy Tale for Troubled Times.'
replies 98Jan 13, 2018 11:21 PM +00:00

The Shape of Water (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) by Alexandre Desplat

The Shape Of Water (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack), an album by Various Artists on Spotify
replies 99Jan 13, 2018 11:26 PM +00:00

A Princess Without A Voice
replies 100Jan 14, 2018 3:46 PM +00:00

Sally Hawkins on how 'The Shape Of Water' is 'beyond words'

Sally Hawkins radiates an inner goodness on screen - a quality Guillermo del Toro has exploited to the full in The Shape Of Water.
replies 101Jan 14, 2018 4:04 PM +00:00

Textless poster

Offsite Link
replies 102Jan 14, 2018 4:05 PM +00:00

My favorite part is when she lays down to go to sleep and thinks to, wait, let me climb into the bathtub naked and fuck this ugly thing. And pull the shower curtain as well.

replies 103Jan 14, 2018 4:07 PM +00:00
sassy black negro stereotype


replies 104Jan 14, 2018 4:08 PM +00:00

Screener is available on torrents

replies 105Jan 14, 2018 4:15 PM +00:00

Oscars 2018: 'The Shape of Water' could make history with a record 15 nominations

“The Shape of Water” is a fairy tale that takes place at a secret research facility where a mute janitor (Sally Hawkins) falls in love with a mysterious creature. With the assistance of her co-work…
replies 106Jan 14, 2018 4:16 PM +00:00

I hope it sweeps the Academy Awards.

replies 107Jan 14, 2018 4:39 PM +00:00

Michael Shannon gives one of his best performances in this film

replies 108Jan 14, 2018 4:53 PM +00:00

I like Sally Hawkins, but I do not think this film would appeal to women at all. Quite the opposite.

replies 109Jan 14, 2018 4:54 PM +00:00

^ because of the violent scenes?

replies 110Jan 14, 2018 5:03 PM +00:00

I cant believe this movie has only made 26 million to date. For some reason I thought it was much more popular.

replies 111Jan 14, 2018 5:08 PM +00:00

R93, I'd heard something about that. I found Pan's Labyrinth hard to watch because of the brutality. I think del Toro's sensibility is not compatible with mine. Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast is wonderful.

replies 112Jan 14, 2018 5:14 PM +00:00

I would think this movie would appeal to women very much. It's a love story, a lonely woman finding love with an otherworldly creature. Women love stuff like that.

replies 113Jan 14, 2018 5:16 PM +00:00

I think most women can handle the “violence”.

replies 114Jan 14, 2018 5:19 PM +00:00

Its not that violent. I saw it, and based on the way people talk, I expected a bloody mess.

replies 115Jan 14, 2018 5:24 PM +00:00

I just saw it. I am a woman and thought it was just OK, not great. I don't think it deserves all the hype.

replies 116Jan 14, 2018 6:40 PM +00:00

Since this is DL I will contribute some pointless bitchery - I am glad that Sally Hawkins had her ginormous veneers redone to something natural looking.

replies 117Jan 14, 2018 6:43 PM +00:00


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replies 118Jan 14, 2018 6:46 PM +00:00

What women wouldn't like is the yuck factor of the woman expected to have sex with a monster and it is supposed to be a wonderful love story. That is the impression the trailer gives. On top of it she is only fit for this being mute and mousy. Reading that they have her masturbating and there is violence sounds even grosser. It sounds like a Weinstein conception.

replies 119Jan 14, 2018 6:56 PM +00:00

R116, if you saw Pan's Labyrinth, what did you think of it?

replies 120Jan 15, 2018 12:09 AM +00:00

I was a bit disappointed by this. I found it very simplistic. There were no real nuances to the characters, although I thought Hawkins, Shannon and Stuhlbarg all tried to present deeper layers to their characters.

I also thought the romance between Hawkins and the creature very rushed and del Toro kept telling us we had to believe in this connection without really establishing that connection. I thought too much time was spent on side stories. Some poor character development. Like Octavia's husband in the film. We only meet him in one scene and we're supposed to be affected by Octavia standing up to him.

The score and acting were very strong.

replies 121Jan 15, 2018 8:46 AM +00:00

agree on all points R121

What is it with these directors who spend all the time and attention on the window dressing??!!

So excited to see this-

So upset for taking that rare trip out to the theater!

replies 122Jan 15, 2018 9:47 AM +00:00

The cat thing was just awful and unnecessary

replies 123Jan 17, 2018 4:46 PM +00:00

Octavia Spencer: "For me, the The Shape of Water is a giant heart."

“.@OctaviaSpencer: "For me, the @shapeofwater is a giant heart." #AFIAWARDS”
replies 124Jan 17, 2018 4:47 PM +00:00

Shannon sex scene shocked me it was out of nowhere

replies 125Jan 17, 2018 4:50 PM +00:00

Most of the sex scenes, including bestiality, are sick.

replies 126Jan 17, 2018 4:56 PM +00:00

I hated it. Turned it off after 30 mins. Reminded me of Son of the Fly.

replies 127Jan 17, 2018 4:58 PM +00:00

I know.

replies 128Jan 17, 2018 6:40 PM +00:00

I was uncomfortably reminds of an old horror film "Humanoids From The Deep (produced by Roger Corman) " where these these fish/men creatures attack and rape women. It was gross. I thought the sex between the fishman and Elisa is just as gross.

replies 129Jan 17, 2018 6:51 PM +00:00

His movies are artless and grotesque and we are supposed to think they are magical.

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replies 131Jan 17, 2018 6:59 PM +00:00

Agreed R130-what I thought of Pan's L.

BIG letdown.


--Greatest Showman
replies 132Jan 17, 2018 7:33 PM +00:00

I just saw it. This film is nothing to crow about. Every year, though, the publicity machine gets behind one or two mediocre films and pushes them for all it is worth. This year is no different,

replies 133Jan 17, 2018 8:14 PM +00:00

God, this movie was SO BAD.

Sure, it’s got excellent actors who manage to make sure it doesn’t look amateurish...but lord, the story is Beauty and the Beast meets Splash sprinkled with E.T. and Even La La Land.

It borders on insulting.

replies 134Jan 17, 2018 8:17 PM +00:00

YES, R132 - artless, grotesque and EMPTY.

replies 135Jan 17, 2018 8:19 PM +00:00

Yes, they are insulting.

replies 136Jan 17, 2018 8:20 PM +00:00

Pans labyrinth was fantastic when considered in the context of the Spanish Civil War. The Devils Backbone was much in the same vein.

The Shape of Water missed any sort of context entirely. Didn't do anything for me, and the further away I get from watching it, the less I like it. CMBYN had the complete opposite effect.

replies 137Jan 17, 2018 8:24 PM +00:00

I dont know much about The Spanish Civil War-will check on that- but I COMPLETELY agree about Shape and CMBYN.

And the songs were perfect for setting a tone and atmosphere.

Just watch this for how transcendentally beautiful this is.

Music video for “Mystery of Love” by Sufjan Stevens from the Call Me By Your Name soundtrack featuring footage from the film as well as footage filmed at the...
replies 138Jan 18, 2018 3:49 AM +00:00

It's interesting how the creature is supposed to be the focal point of this film yet I barely remember him. I wonder if it was a budgetary issue. It felt like del Toro threw in so many creature-less scenes and put too much focus on Shannon and Sthulbarg. I didn't find the creature that interesting because he was so poorly developed.

replies 139Jan 18, 2018 8:25 AM +00:00

R129, I recall that film, and the amphibians' penises were plainly evident. At least in "Shape' Eliza (Sally Hawkins) explained via hand signals that the creature, seemingly flat down there, had a "trap down" down there that revealed a sex organ...theory would also work for the Creature From the Black Lagoon's obscene intentions toward Kay (Julie Adams).

replies 140Jan 18, 2018 8:26 AM +00:00

I think he would have been better off basing the creature on "Abe" from Hellboy........they look the same, and at least Abe could speak......they both even liked boiled eggs. (Im sure its based on him, but I mean the "character".

replies 141Jan 18, 2018 9:06 AM +00:00
I could never love a person who is not in the Rapture from this artful soulfull film

I am just fine with being Left Behind.

replies 142Jan 18, 2018 9:12 AM +00:00

I saw this with husbear just before our wedding and it was lovely.

replies 143Jan 18, 2018 9:17 AM +00:00

yes, lovely like a fairytale for children is lovely.

But a wasted opportunity as far as adult fare goes IMO.

replies 144Jan 18, 2018 9:19 AM +00:00

I loved this film

replies 145Jan 18, 2018 10:02 AM +00:00

This is R140, I meant "trap door".

replies 146Jan 18, 2018 10:04 AM +00:00

The ramifications of Eliza getting infections or pregnant (!) after contact with this creature are grotesque.

replies 147Jan 19, 2018 7:44 AM +00:00

It's a fantasy, so Eliza would never get any infections or injuries from sex with man/fish. After he brings himself and her back to life and gives her gills to breath with underwater (he's a God, so he can do anything) they presumably go to live happily ever after in the depts. of the sea. But wouldn't her skin rot by being constantly under water? How would they live? In an underwater cave somewhere? What would she eat? Raw animal protein like he does? You think about all these things, but since it's a fantasy there's no point to it. This is a very silly fairytale movie, but with graphic sex and violence.

replies 148Jan 19, 2018 7:53 AM +00:00

The supporting characters were just so cliche: the lonely elder gay with a crush on the bigot, the sassy black friend in a worn down marriage, the square jawed 50s family man whose respectable veneer hides his sadism, the conflicted spy who sacrifices himself.

The actors did their best, but these types were just so paper thin. The likeability of the performers (save Shannon) can only get us so far.

replies 149Jan 19, 2018 7:56 AM +00:00

I thought it was a drama, with some fantasy elements.

replies 150Jan 19, 2018 7:56 AM +00:00

Well the clues about Eliza- found by the water as an infant, the 3 gill scars, mute, must take daily baths with sea salt-all point that she was meant to be in the water. Sally had a backstory for her that she was actually a mermaid, which makes sense.

replies 151Jan 19, 2018 9:02 AM +00:00
The supporting characters were just so cliche: the lonely elder gay with a crush on the bigot,

Well, cliché if you say so I guess, but poignant and on-the-money all the same.

replies 152Jan 19, 2018 9:20 AM +00:00

r151....the salt water was for the creature......the scars were from an injury which caused her to be mute.

replies 153Jan 19, 2018 9:23 AM +00:00

"Cliché" is a noun; the adjective is "clichéd."

replies 154Jan 19, 2018 9:42 AM +00:00

Answer 7 Questions And We'll Tell You Which Character From "The Shape Of Water" You Are

replies 155Jan 19, 2018 3:20 PM +00:00
The scene then cuts to Shannon, his pants pulled down, on top of her in bed, pumping her hard. She seems uncomfortable but he muffles her cries with his hand over her mouth.

This movie sounds stupid as fuck, but the description of that scene actually sounds really hot, and I like Shannon's look in this movie.

By the way, what exactly is it with Del Toro and hot, domineering daddies? Is that the only villain he can come up with? Of course, the only movie I've seen by him is Pan's Labyrinth, which although beautiful to look at and entertaining, was ultimately forgettable and hollow, much like this movie probably is.
replies 156Jan 19, 2018 6:52 PM +00:00

YES R156 you are right about everything!

Empty movie. Stock characters.


replies 157Jan 20, 2018 12:24 AM +00:00

r153- the first bath she takes, she puts salt water in it. And that is what the story is about her muteness and scars, but no one really knows, since she was an orphan:

"He picked me up, said, 'Will you be in my fish film?!'" Sally Hawkins on working with Guillermo del Toro and why she had to do 'The Shape of Water'.
Rolling Stone
replies 158Jan 20, 2018 9:54 AM +00:00

R158, So she's a terribly abused female, as was the young girl in PL. I've heard Del Toro interviewed and he's eloquent about his quirks, but to my taste he hasn't transmuted them in the way that the great and nutsy Hitchcock did.

replies 159Jan 20, 2018 1:48 PM +00:00


replies 160Jan 21, 2018 8:18 AM +00:00

The romance between Sally and the creature was so cringey. Del Toro can't write a shit. Overrated movie.

replies 161Jan 21, 2018 6:56 PM +00:00

For Hawkins fans: "Happy Go Lucky," a film she did about 10 years ago with Mike Leigh. Stunning.

replies 162Jan 21, 2018 7:04 PM +00:00

replies 163Jan 21, 2018 7:13 PM +00:00

Sally Hawkins should be winning just as many awards as Frances McDormand. A love letter to #TheShapeOfWater's Princess Without Voice

2017's most moving performance is also its quietest.
replies 164Jan 21, 2018 7:16 PM +00:00

I think her body deserves half of those awards.

They HAD to make her attractive to a male audience it seems.

5 minutes in and shes completely naked.

Can you imagine them doing that with a male lead???

Even the monster's you never see.

replies 165Jan 22, 2018 1:33 PM +00:00

No monster cock?

replies 166Jan 22, 2018 2:04 PM +00:00

No, the monster's cock is hidden behind a cunning little trap door in his body. Convenient, isn't it?

replies 167Jan 22, 2018 3:53 PM +00:00


replies 168Jan 22, 2018 4:48 PM +00:00

No dong, no go

replies 169Jan 22, 2018 4:53 PM +00:00

Doug Jones was better than Gary Oldman

replies 170Jan 22, 2018 4:57 PM +00:00

I didn't catch that "she's a mermaid theory". Why she didn't tramsform at the end of the movie then?

replies 171Jan 22, 2018 9:27 PM +00:00

R151 . Sally had a backstory for her that she was actually a mermaid, which makes sense.

Where did you read that? I think Sally was talking about the story she was writing not The Shape of Water

I got the call about 18 months before, when there wasn’t even a script. It was all a little vague, and it may or may not have happened, but what was most remarkable about it was my agent said, “It’s about a woman who falls in love with a merman.” At the time of receiving that call, I was literally writing some notes on a story that was about a woman who didn’t know she was a mermaid. It gave me chills, and I felt something else must have been going on here. You want to believe in the magic.
replies 172Jan 22, 2018 9:42 PM +00:00

Sally Hawkins Found Strength And Soul In Guillermo Del Toro’s ‘The Shape Of Water’

Oscar loves a good speech. In Guillermo del Toro’s The Shape of Water, Sally Hawkins’ Elisa gets one of the best and most moving in recent memory. And yet, she does it without saying a word. Elisa …
replies 173Jan 22, 2018 9:59 PM +00:00

A huge congratulations to #TheShapeofWater team on their ​13​ #OscarNoms from @TheAcademy! #Oscars2018
replies 174Jan 23, 2018 5:57 AM +00:00

Sally Hawkins reaction to Best Actress nomination for @shapeofwater #oscars
replies 175Jan 23, 2018 5:58 AM +00:00

The Rape of Schattner

replies 176Jan 23, 2018 8:24 AM +00:00

i was enjoying this movie until she fucked this thing. it was beyond absurd.

replies 177Jan 24, 2018 9:07 AM +00:00

For all the possibilities, it had no magic nor danger to me.

And it felt dirty

--and not in a good way
replies 178Jan 24, 2018 9:41 AM +00:00
Sally Hawkins should be winning just as many awards as Frances McDormand.

I completely agree.

That's the problem with Sally performing in Hollywood movies though. The movie execs might be happy about hiring British talent because they are quality for less, but the academy tends to favor Americans, or at leasty Brits that made the jump over to the USA. Sally acts here sometimes but she lives in the UK.

replies 179Jan 24, 2018 9:58 AM +00:00

what other movies has she been in? you know with her looks, she ain't gonna be in typical rom com

replies 180Jan 24, 2018 10:54 AM +00:00

She worked on the stage in London at the start of her career. Her early film career was dominated by her work in Mike Leigh movies.

She was in "Vera Drake" as an upper class girl who needs Vera to perform an abortion on her. Then "Happy Go Lucky," a wonderful movie about two lives running in parallel -- Hawkins as Poppy, an entirely atypical bright and optimistic Englishwoman who's a teacher, and a surly and highly anti-social driving instructor she hires to learn to drive.

"Made In Dagenham" is a 60s period piece about female workers striking for equal pay -- it's a hoot, and the period beehives and so on are huge fun. Blue Jasmine I assume we all know, and it's for that film that she received her first Oscar nod. Most recently she was in a strange and lovely little film, "Maudie," about the eccentric, reclusive Canadian folk artist Maud Lewis, the one who lived in that tiny house (see below).

She's been wonderful in everything I've ever seen her in, so I actually seek out her work now.
replies 181Jan 24, 2018 11:33 AM +00:00

You forgot "Blue Jasmine."

replies 182Jan 24, 2018 2:26 PM +00:00

^Sorry, my mistake.

replies 183Jan 24, 2018 2:27 PM +00:00
What would she eat?


replies 184Jan 26, 2018 6:33 PM +00:00

So no one's mentioned the fact that the music and video clips feature gay icons Alice Faye, Betty Grable and CARMEN FUCKING MIRANDA?

Not to mention Mr. Ed, Wilbur, and Maynard G. Krebs!

Oh, and SPOILER ALERT: She's not completely mute throughout the movie.

replies 185Jan 26, 2018 6:35 PM +00:00

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the dancing scene. Not the one where Eliza does some silly dance steps with her gay friend, but the elaborate dance number with the fishman. I thought it was one of the best parts of the movie.

replies 186Jan 26, 2018 6:44 PM +00:00

It strained credibility, even in the fantasy world the movie creates, that she would actually cross species lines and sleep with The Amazonian.

replies 187Jan 26, 2018 6:55 PM +00:00

The gill man had the same idea but the Hays Office had different ideas...
replies 188Jan 26, 2018 6:57 PM +00:00

Talk about a big dick face...!
replies 189Jan 26, 2018 6:58 PM +00:00

For Sally fans watch Fingersmith two-part BBC mini-series which is an adaptation of Sarah Waters' Man Booker Prize nominated novel.

it stars Sally Hawkins, Imelda Stanton, Elaine Cassidy, Rupert Evans and Charles Dance.


The lives of two young women collide in Victorian England when a group of thieves concoct an elaborate scam to defraud a young heiress of her inheritance. The story alternates between the twisting back alleyways of Dickensian London and the cloistered gloom of a Gothic mansion in 1862.
replies 190Jan 26, 2018 7:11 PM +00:00

The Phone Call short film starring Sally Hawkins and voice of Jim Broadbent

It won the Academy Award for Best Live Action Short Film

The film stars Sally Hawkins as Heather, a crisis hotline counsellor trying to dissuade Stanley (Jim Broadbent), a distraught caller, from a suicide attempt following…
replies 191Jan 26, 2018 7:14 PM +00:00

Some girls have all the luck.

I have always wanted to do this - a merman. Hopefully i do justice to original photo. Original model photo here by =vishstudio Other resources used: BG: ~knightfall-stock Brushes: ~hawksmont Others...
replies 192Jan 26, 2018 7:14 PM +00:00

Shiny Shiny Bright New Hole in My Heart (2006)

A woman's obsession with shopping leads to devastating consequences in a new drama starring Sally Hawkins, Steven Mackintosh and Daniela Nardini.
replies 193Jan 26, 2018 7:18 PM +00:00

Persuasion (2007 film)

adaptation of Jane Austen's novel Persuasion. It was directed by Adrian Shergold and the screenplay was written by Simon Burke. Sally Hawkins stars as the protagonist Anne Elliot, while Rupert Penry-Jones plays Frederick Wentworth. Eight years prior to the film's beginning, Anne was persuaded to reject Wentworth's proposal of marriage. Now 27 and unmarried, Anne re-encounters Wentworth, who has made his fortune in the Napoleonic Wars and is looking for a wife—anyone but Anne, whom he has not forgiven for rejecting him all those years ago.
replies 194Jan 26, 2018 7:21 PM +00:00

i'm sorry but she's ugly. not gonna watch her.

replies 195Jan 26, 2018 7:22 PM +00:00

r188 Richard Carlson? The creature on that poster is better-looking than his wife.

--Don Loper
replies 196Jan 26, 2018 8:40 PM +00:00

One casting misstep: The loathsome Nick Searcy has a semi-prominent role.

replies 197Jan 26, 2018 8:58 PM +00:00

Why this thread is greyed out?

replies 198Jan 26, 2018 9:08 PM +00:00

she is good in her small role in Never Let Me Go, a much better film than most of the junk being nominated this year



replies 199Jan 26, 2018 9:17 PM +00:00

Director accused of stealing this idea for his movie--THOUGHTS?

Guillermo del Toro’s latest film, The Shape of Water, recently garnered 13 Oscar nominations, the most of any film this year. But now it’s also been accused of plagarism.
replies 200Jan 27, 2018 1:03 AM +00:00

No way.

replies 201Jan 27, 2018 4:38 PM +00:00

For a fairy tale/fantasy there is grotesque violence in this film: dismemberment, decapitation, gory gun play, slit throat.

replies 202Jan 28, 2018 3:00 PM +00:00

yes, it was stolen.

replies 203Jan 28, 2018 3:05 PM +00:00

"yes, it was stolen."

Oh shut up, asshole. Everything is derivative of everything. "Blue Jasmine" was "A Streetcar Named Desire." "My Own Private Idaho" was Shakespeare's Henry IV, Part 1, Henry IV, Part 2, and Henry V, There are plenty of movies that have similarities to other sources. If you don't know that you're pretty stupid.

replies 204Jan 28, 2018 3:52 PM +00:00

he stole it plain and simple.

replies 205Jan 28, 2018 4:07 PM +00:00

Decapitation? I don't seem to recall that

replies 206Jan 28, 2018 5:34 PM +00:00

IIRC the cat was decapitated.

replies 207Jan 28, 2018 5:39 PM +00:00

"he stole it plain and simple."

You're an idiot, plain and simple. Actually more simple than plain.

replies 208Jan 28, 2018 5:45 PM +00:00

A Dildo Maker Has Finally Determined What The Shape of Water's Fish Dick Looks Like

The “Jewel of the Amazon” as it’s named, appears to be silicone and glows under UV light. Reviewers on Etsy praised its “wonderful mix of textures to explore” while reassuring potential buyers that “the ridged fins don’t feel as harsh as they look.” Unfortunately, “Jewel of the Amazon” appears to have sold out of its initial production run.
The Shape of Water is the story of a star-crossed affair between a mute woman and a fish man god-creature, a film that all but dares us to imagine the convoluted mechanism by which the latter’s genitalia becomes external and, uh, able to do sex stuff with a human. It’s also nominated for Best Picture now. Go figure!
replies 209Feb 8, 2018 2:05 PM +00:00

Only 20 more of these will be made before the Oscars so get those orders in quickly, boys!

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replies 210Feb 8, 2018 2:06 PM +00:00


replies 211Feb 8, 2018 2:19 PM +00:00

Oscars: The Math Predicts a 'The Shape of Water' Best Picture Win

For the past seven years, I have predicted the Oscars using nothing but data and statistics. My method involves determining which factors – such as prior awards shows, which categories a film is nominated in, critic scores, and betting markets – have historically done the best job of predicting each Oscar category. The factors that are more predictive get more heavily weighted when calculating which of this year’s contenders are more likely to come out on top.
By my model, this is the closest best picture race in at least two decades.

As long as it's not Three Billboards or Lady Bird, I'm fine with it. Even though it's still nothing special.

The Hollywood Reporter
replies 212Feb 28, 2018 9:34 AM +00:00

Congratulations to The Shape of Water! I think this was the first thread about it.

replies 213Mar 4, 2018 7:59 PM +00:00

I know.

replies 214Mar 4, 2018 8:34 PM +00:00

Director's way fat.

replies 215Mar 4, 2018 8:49 PM +00:00

and unfortunately it shows in his movies

replies 216Mar 4, 2018 9:19 PM +00:00

Yay movie, sobbing for Sally though.

I didn't see all the nominees, but I saw several of them and this one was my clear favorite. We need more movies like this which tell a bold story and take chances. It makes going to the movies interesting again. So tired of brainless Marvel product and paint-dryingly dull art pics.

replies 217Mar 5, 2018 6:17 AM +00:00

Adding this....

As Guillermo del Toro’s The Shape of Water churns through the awards circuit, an unanswered question has been left lingering in the air, swirling and winking around like a constellation of magical blue lights. Would you bang the fish guy?
replies 218Mar 5, 2018 6:22 AM +00:00

(Spoiler alert)

Eliza is drawn to him, and is sexually attracted to him, but don't people "get" why that is?

The same reason she masturbates in the bath tub, and, err, has gills ... ?

replies 219Mar 5, 2018 6:27 AM +00:00

I was okay with her fucking the creature because that seemed like part of the character--and because she was obsessed with water and had scars where gills would be, I assumed she was meant to have sex with him.

What I couldn't get over was the Octavia Spencer just taking that news in stride, as if she were thinking, "I guess it takes all kinds to make a world!" That was so anachronistic.

replies 220Mar 11, 2018 12:18 PM +00:00

R220. Absolutely. No character discusses the possibility of infections. Or being tested for one.

replies 221Mar 11, 2018 1:49 PM +00:00

There's a "tribute" dildo:

The Shape of Water is the story of a star-crossed affair between a mute woman and a fish man god-creature, a film that all but dares us to imagine the convoluted mechanism by which the latter’s genitalia becomes external and, uh, able to do sex stuff with a human. It’s also nominated for Best Picture now. Go figure!
replies 222Mar 11, 2018 3:49 PM +00:00

Is Guillermo family?

Would explain the film a lot.

replies 223Mar 12, 2018 1:47 AM +00:00

No way.

replies 224Mar 13, 2018 9:59 AM +00:00

any man who eats that much desires to know male control

replies 225Mar 13, 2018 2:17 PM +00:00

The shirtless scenes in Pacific Rim were noticeably gratuitous.
replies 226Mar 13, 2018 2:21 PM +00:00

R202, that doesn't surprise me. I saw and loathed Pan's Labyrinth. There was no excuse for the brutality in that. Yes, Grimms tales have brutal events, but they are not lubriciously depicted at length. Because children don't think that way. And del Toro has no idea of how a child ideates fantasy, despite any claims to the contrary. A derivative, bloated "talent."

replies 227Mar 14, 2018 9:10 PM +00:00

They are deconstructive fairy tales for adults, moron.

replies 228Mar 14, 2018 11:30 PM +00:00

NOTHING in his work is for ADULTS.

And drop the name calling R228.

I agree R227.

replies 229Mar 15, 2018 3:44 AM +00:00

"I saw and loathed Pan's Labyrinth. There was no excuse for the brutality in that."

What make you think a film maker has to have "an excuse" to show brutal scenes in a movie? And if you "loathed" Pan's Labyrinth you're in a very small minority.

And for fuck's sake, his movies are NOT fairytales for children. They're movies for adults that contain sex and violence. I have no idea why that silly person at R229 thinks that "NOTHING in his work is for ADULTS." He does NOT make kiddy movies. Why the hell would anyone think that he does?

replies 230Mar 15, 2018 7:05 PM +00:00

because R230, his understanding of human dynamics is still at a child's level. Have you SEEN Shape of Water??

This "silly" person likes some degree of maturity in his characters.

The director needs to stop eating and start studying.

Then maybe he can create a movie for and about adults.

replies 231Mar 16, 2018 4:49 AM +00:00

I live under a rock and didn't hear about this film until just now. For a minute, I was afraid the creature was Abe Sapien. Thank god it isn't, Abe Sapien was adorable (and imo in the closet) in Hellboy. I'd watch another film with Abe as the star. Not watching this though.

replies 232Mar 16, 2018 5:46 AM +00:00

Further to r232, look what I found- an awesome webcomic that uses the action figures from the Hellboy films, and Abe is the star. It's funny, sweet, and very well done.

Oh also Abe is gay in it, and pursued by Karl Kroenen. In more ways than one.

A Forbidden Romance
replies 233Mar 16, 2018 12:05 PM +00:00

"The director needs to stop eating and start studying.

Then maybe he can create a movie for and about adults."

"The director" has two Oscars. He doesn't need to "stop" anything. I'd say he's doing pretty well doing exactly what he'd doing. And if you think his movies are geared towards children then you have a very skewed perception of what you see onscreen. You're WEIRD.

replies 234Mar 16, 2018 1:16 PM +00:00

That creature has blinking eyes. Fish can not blink, except sharks. Maybe it's his half-human side.

replies 235Mar 16, 2018 2:00 PM +00:00