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Were the satanists in Rosemary's Baby supposed to be Jewish?

They all acted sterotypically Jewish, especially the Ruth Gordon character and the Judas-like Dr. Saperstein. I also recall dialogue where Rosemary is mildly scorned for her schoolgirl Catholicism. The book was written by a Jewish man though (Ira Levin), so that makes me question if the theme was anti-semitic.

--Anonymous
replies 112Dec 11, 2013 4:32 PM +00:00

huh?

--Anonymous
replies 1Dec 11, 2013 6:27 PM +00:00

nobody else noticed this?

--Anonymous
replies 2Dec 12, 2013 4:56 AM +00:00

Yes OP, Levin & Polanski (both Jews) were likely having fun with the old antisemitic trope of Jews wanting Christian babies for rituals.

--Anonymous
replies 3Dec 12, 2013 5:05 AM +00:00

Only Dr. Sapirstein. That was the surprise as he was Jewish and part of it.

--Anonymous
replies 4Dec 12, 2013 6:17 AM +00:00

Interesting you should mention this.

I've always also wondered if Dustin Hoffman's family in "The Graduate" was supposed to be Jewish, and that is one reason why the Robinsons ("Rabinowitz" ?) wanted Elaine to marry that stereotypical uber-WASP frat guy instead of "Benjamin". Anti-semitism or Jewish self-hatred?

We are talking about the late 1960's and the directors of both movies were European-born Jews who escaped from the Nazis.

--Anonymous
replies 5Dec 12, 2013 6:29 AM +00:00

Yes, there are WASP-Jewish tensions in The Graduate

Per IMDB:

"Mike Nichols realized one reason why he had so much difficulty casting for Benjamin Braddock when he read the Mad Magazine parody of his film. One of the jokes was Benjamin asking his parents why he was Jewish and they were not, and Nichols, who is Jewish himself, realized that his film had an subconsciously autobiographical element about being an ethnic outsider in a privileged WASPish society."

--Anonymous
replies 6Dec 12, 2013 6:43 AM +00:00

Yes, the satanists were intended to represent elitists, money, hollywood depicted in the film. We all know Jews run all of that.

--Anonymous
replies 7Dec 12, 2013 6:48 AM +00:00

In New York, everyone is named Sapirstein.

--Anonymous
replies 8Dec 12, 2013 7:06 AM +00:00

Ira Levin took the old European blood libel "Jews kidnap Christian babies and use the baby's blood in rituals" and said, "Hey, what if this were to actually happen?" Of course, he couldn't make the bad guys Jews, so he made them witches. And he couldn't let the baby be killed, so he made him the son of satan.

--Anonymous
replies 9Dec 12, 2013 9:41 AM +00:00

So in other words, Levin wasn't influenced by that at all.

--Anonymous
replies 10Dec 12, 2013 9:44 AM +00:00

R5, this article will interest you.

Taki's Magazine
--Anonymous
replies 11Dec 12, 2013 11:00 AM +00:00

Hey! I was an IRISH Satanist!

A Lesbian Irish Satanist.

--Patsy Kelly as Laura Louise
replies 12Dec 12, 2013 11:01 AM +00:00

But what about AFTER Rosemary decides to be a mother to little satan?

What is she going to tell her friends? Elise and those other bitches? She can't tell them the baby died. She can't introduce them to the baby because the baby has a wolfy face and cloven hooves instead of hands and feet. Rosemary can't send him to preschool or kindergarten. She'll have to homeschool him and never let anyone see him except satanists.

What about when he's a teenager and his hormones get going? He's going to want to date and get laid, but he's got a problem. While most kids his age are obsessing over zits, he'll literally be "horn-y."

Things don't look so good for this kid.

--Anonymous
replies 13Dec 12, 2013 11:11 AM +00:00

No, Umpy.

--Anonymous
replies 14Dec 12, 2013 11:12 AM +00:00

Typical flyover ignorance. They didn't "act Jewish"- they acted like New Yorkers.

And Polanski's mother was Roman Catholic.

--Anonymous
replies 15Dec 12, 2013 11:12 AM +00:00

r13, they already announced to everyone including Rosemary that the baby was still born. Levin's sequel "Son of Rosemary" alludes to the spawn's childhood, who was basically home-schooled (or Bramford-schooled if you wish) in his early years, presumably until he learned to control his budding horns and furnace eyes.

--Anonymous
replies 16Dec 12, 2013 11:17 AM +00:00
Typical flyover ignorance. They didn't "act Jewish"- they acted like New Yorkers.

Exactly. They were just old New Yorkers.

But Levin was still having fun with the "Jews eat Christian babies" thing.

--Anonymous
replies 17Dec 12, 2013 11:20 AM +00:00

Although in the novel, Minnie Castavet is supposed to be a sturdy, no-nonsense woman from the Midwest. With a braying Midwest accent and straightforward manner.

Ruth Gordon got some of that down but made the part totally hers.

--Anonymous
replies 18Dec 12, 2013 11:22 AM +00:00

Bullshit, R15. They acted like old New Yorkers of a certain ethnicity. They did not act like Waspy Thurston Howell III New Yorkers.

--Anonymous
replies 19Dec 12, 2013 11:24 AM +00:00

Is the novel worth reading?

--Anonymous
replies 20Dec 12, 2013 11:26 AM +00:00
Bullshit, [R15]. They acted like old New Yorkers of a certain ethnicity. They did not act like Waspy Thurston Howell III New Yorkers.

Oh God. Seriously?

They acted like working or middle class, born and bred New Yorkers from a certain era, from whatever ethnicity. The War Generation.

The Bunkers acted like that too and we know they weren't Jewish.

--Anonymous
replies 21Dec 12, 2013 11:29 AM +00:00
Is the novel worth reading?

I think so. The film is a fairly faithful translation of the book, but there are a few odd tid bits you can pick that the movie doesn't include.

--Anonymous
replies 22Dec 12, 2013 11:31 AM +00:00

There is not such thing as waspy New Yorkers unless their transplants. Even if they are technically wasps if their truly New Yorkers they act different from wasps elsewhere.

--Anonymous
replies 23Dec 12, 2013 11:34 AM +00:00

Let's see--the members of the coven are:

*Roman Castevet (real name: Steven Marcato--and "Marcato" is an Italian surname)

*Minnie Castevet (who is said to be from the Midwest)

*Dr. Sapirstein

*Dr. Shand (played by the Jewish character actor Phil Leeds)

*Mrs. Gilmore (played by the very WASPy Hope Summers)

*Laura-Louise (not a Jewish name at all, and played by the Irish-American Patsy Kelly)

In addition, the visitors to view the baby at the end are:

*the Japanese photographer

*Argyron Stavropoulos, a wealthy Greek whose last name is Greek Orthodox ("Stavros" means "cross")

I would say its pretty unlikely anyone in that group was intended as Jewish except for Drs. Sapirstein and Shand.

--Anonymous
replies 24Dec 12, 2013 11:35 AM +00:00
There is not such thing as waspy New Yorkers unless their transplants.

How ignorant are you? Good Lord.

Ever hear of the Schermerhorns, the Roosevelts, the van Renssalaers, the van Cortlandts, the Schuylers, the Dyckmans, the Livingstons, the Astors, the Fishes, the Hamiltons?

The founding families of New York were all Dutch Protestant or English Protestant.

--Anonymous
replies 25Dec 12, 2013 11:40 AM +00:00

If you read the book, it pretty much gives the address of the Bramford which is actually not based upon the Dakota but the Wyoming, right in Midtown at 57th and Seventh.

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--Anonymous
replies 26Dec 12, 2013 11:45 AM +00:00

Maybe they were those, wha' da ya call it, Crypto-Jews that escaped Spain on the Mayflower during the Acquisition.

--Archie Bunker
replies 27Dec 12, 2013 11:54 AM +00:00

Hullo! Dr. Saperstein?? The Upper West Side?? Duh!!!

--Anonymous
replies 28Dec 12, 2013 11:57 AM +00:00

Actually it was just Ruth Gordon who was doing the typical Noo Yawka. Sidney Blackmer (a native of Salisbury, NC- my dad's hometown) behaved more erudite and spoke in the Mid-Atlantic accent taught to all the old-timey Hollwood actors.

I guess Castevet being a world traveller explained that?

--Anonymous
replies 29Dec 12, 2013 12:01 PM +00:00

I was British and defintely not Jewish.

--Hutch
replies 30Dec 12, 2013 12:09 PM +00:00

On another note the male lead was GORGEOUS. Sexy, stunning, masculine, god I love New York men.

--Anonymous
replies 31Dec 12, 2013 12:13 PM +00:00

Is Rosemary's Baby worth re-watching? I watched it when I was a kid and I thought it was good but don't remember that much of it. Does it stand the test of time?

--Anonymous
replies 32Dec 12, 2013 12:16 PM +00:00

It's one of my favorite movies, not just favorite horror movies, and I think it holds up very well, but you'll have to rewatch it and see for yourself.

--Anonymous
replies 33Dec 12, 2013 12:17 PM +00:00

some were Japanese so I guess, no, they weren't all Jewish

--Anonymous
replies 34Dec 12, 2013 12:25 PM +00:00

Something missing from the movie is the fact that Rosemary is a bit alienated from her family. She's from a large Irish Catholic family in Omaha. She moved to NYC, which is something irish Catholic girls from large families didn't often do. She married Guy, a non-Catholic, which did not please her family at all. She does not attend mass, which upsets her mother. Her siblings all have children.

Rosemary is a bit of a rebel, but not enough of one. She's a few years shy of women's lib.

--Anonymous
replies 35Dec 12, 2013 12:36 PM +00:00

What is the name and painter of that creepy ass painting in the secret hallway? Really ugly witches in it.

--Anonymous
replies 36Dec 12, 2013 12:40 PM +00:00
And Polanski's mother was Roman Catholic.

Really? That's why they gassed her at Auschwitz?

--Anonymous
replies 37Dec 12, 2013 12:42 PM +00:00

The movie is definitely worth a rewatch. It's horror- not in the blood spattering way- but it's insidious. it creeps up on you. The dream sequence, augmented only by the sound of wind is disturbing.

But it's the fact that Rosemary is all alone and realizing little by little that she cannot trust anybody that's the real terror.

Justw atch the amazing phone booth sequence done in one take and try not to start feeling paranoid yourself.

--Anonymous
replies 38Dec 13, 2013 2:53 AM +00:00

It's one of my all-time favorite movies. So brilliantly and cleverly done. So many layers so much meaning. I can watch it over and over. And it's just fascinating to look at from a visual perspective as well. NY in the 60s! The clothes! The hair! That apartment! The delicious John Cassavetes!

R35 is right. That's one of the bits left out of the movie. Rosemary is seen by her family as a bit uppity and rebelious for leaving Omaha and going to to New York. There's a part where she shares an apartment with some girls and the friends she made in college.

There's also a fairly important part in the book that didn't make it to the movie. It describes a period where Rosemary and Guy aren't getting along and Rosemary goes by herself to some remote cottage to think about their marriage and whether or not she wants to stay married to Guy. She does eventually go back and then all the witchcraft stuff starts.

The movie alludes to difficulty in the marriage when Guy is busy and distracted by his newly successful career. He solves the problem by finally agreeing to have a baby. Satan's baby.

--Anonymous
replies 39Dec 13, 2013 4:45 AM +00:00

R39 the part about Ro thinking about leaving the marriage is important because Rosemary's Baby is essentially a movie about an abusive marriage.

--Anonymous
replies 40Dec 13, 2013 4:49 AM +00:00

"She's very nosy. Do you know she actually asked the prices of things?"

--Anonymous
replies 41Dec 14, 2013 6:12 AM +00:00

I think so because the novel is a take on the New Testament story (where Jews are the villains) - only in reverse. Suppose the devil, instead of god, rapes a woman to have the perfect human-god (or human-demon in this case)?

--Anonymous
replies 42Dec 14, 2013 8:44 AM +00:00

You flyover idiots see what you want to see.

--Anonymous
replies 43Dec 14, 2013 8:55 AM +00:00

wow, R42, I hadn't thought of that. It's a subversive Christ story.

--Anonymous
replies 44Dec 14, 2013 9:23 AM +00:00

R44 and Rosemary is a Catholic which is the equivalent to Mary being a virgin as in the bible, or at least in the right spiritual sphere for the 20th Century.

--Anonymous
replies 45Dec 14, 2013 9:48 AM +00:00

Catholics love to look for religious symbolism (or counter-symbolism?) in Rosemary's Baby, but the truth is that Levin and Polanski were both secular Jews, and Rosemary's Baby is about a destructive marriage.

A real Catholic horror film is "The Exorcist."

--Anonymous
replies 46Dec 14, 2013 10:16 AM +00:00

Oh, and secular Jews don't create critiques of the prevailing Gentile cullture?

--Anonymous
replies 47Dec 14, 2013 10:23 AM +00:00

They may, but this is not one of them.

--Anonymous
replies 48Dec 14, 2013 10:53 AM +00:00

Well, I think RB is more about subverting a Christian fairy tale than it is about an abusive marriage.

--Anonymous
replies 49Dec 14, 2013 11:05 AM +00:00

Then you are wrong.

--Anonymous
replies 50Dec 14, 2013 11:06 AM +00:00

I thought it was decided that RB was a women's liberation story.

--Anonymous
replies 51Dec 14, 2013 11:09 AM +00:00

Women's liberation?? It's a backlash movie.

R44, you're JUST realizing that???

--Anonymous
replies 52Dec 14, 2013 11:14 AM +00:00

It's the inverse of the Christ story in the New Testament. Duh!

When i'm feeling particular subversive I will watch it on Christmas Eve. While most of the rest of the world is celebrating the arrival of you-know-who, I'm watching Rosemary give birth to His Antithesis.

--Anonymous
replies 53Dec 14, 2013 9:35 PM +00:00

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--Anonymous
replies 54Apr 16, 2014 11:11 AM +00:00

It's unfortunate that they confuse Satanists with Wiccans.

--Anonymous
replies 55Apr 16, 2014 11:30 AM +00:00

Patsy Kelly - you're in Rosemary's belly!

--Anonymous
replies 56Apr 16, 2014 11:32 AM +00:00

But there were several flaws, like the Lina Wertmuller film in "An Unmarried Woman." Neither before or since have I ever heard the word "under taste." What innocent young wife from the Midwest would ever use that word? She would say "It taste funny," or "It tastes like chalk," not "There is an under taste." Gimme a breaks! If you query under taste on google, you'll find practically no other references to it other than RB.

And why didn't John Cassavetes play a pretentious film director that The New York Times and Mike Nichols were enamored of instead of a struggling actor?

--Anonymous
replies 57Apr 16, 2014 11:42 AM +00:00

I read somewhere that it was about the upper-middle class giving birth to the counter-culture that really wanted to destroy it. Anyone read the same? Thoughts?

--Anonymous
replies 58Apr 16, 2014 11:44 AM +00:00

R58, very timely for that period of the sixties

--Anonymous
replies 59Apr 16, 2014 11:48 AM +00:00

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--Anonymous
replies 60Apr 16, 2014 11:48 AM +00:00

It's a good read. Very much like the film but a good read as is "The Stepford Wives" and "The Boys from Brazil."

--Anonymous
replies 61Apr 16, 2014 11:52 AM +00:00

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--Anonymous
replies 62Apr 16, 2014 11:55 AM +00:00

It's been years since I've read it, r60, but had I not known better I might have thought it was a novelistaion of the movie.

--Anonymous
replies 63Apr 16, 2014 11:57 AM +00:00

OP is an anti-semitic

--Anonymous
replies 64Apr 16, 2014 12:30 PM +00:00

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--Anonymous
replies 65Apr 16, 2014 1:42 PM +00:00

R65 meet the OP you anti Semite

--Anonymous
replies 66Apr 16, 2014 8:07 PM +00:00

Jews don't believe in Satan, so how can they be satanists?

--Anonymous
replies 67Apr 16, 2014 8:10 PM +00:00

R67 ty

--Anonymous
replies 68Apr 16, 2014 8:19 PM +00:00

Jews don't believe in Satan? Read the Book of Job in the Old Testament sometime r67.

--Anonymous
replies 69Apr 16, 2014 8:21 PM +00:00

Cassavetes seemed like such a cool guy. Pity he died a bloated alcoholic when his liver failed.

--Anonymous
replies 70Apr 16, 2014 8:24 PM +00:00

anti-Jewish bigotry and Jew hatred: entrenched, endemic....eternally au courant

--Anonymous
replies 71Apr 16, 2014 8:30 PM +00:00
Is it darker in tone than the movie?

No. The movie is one of the most faithful adaptations ever made of a novel. The film captures the book's tone and intent with precision. Polanski later claimed that he was so naive at the time, he didn't know he was allowed to make changes from page to screen.

--Anonymous
replies 72Apr 16, 2014 8:35 PM +00:00

R69

Jews do not believe in the Christian concept of Satan, just as they do not believe in the Christian concept of Hell.

The Book of Job mentions "HaSatan", the Satan, an Angel in G-d's service who is the embodiment of man's challenges.

--Anonymous
replies 73Apr 16, 2014 8:39 PM +00:00

Aren't all New Yorkers Jewish?

--Florida retirement homes
replies 74Apr 17, 2014 12:59 AM +00:00

R74 yup

--Anonymous
replies 75Apr 17, 2014 6:01 AM +00:00
Is Rosemary's Baby worth re-watching? I watched it when I was a kid and I thought it was good but don't remember that much of it. Does it stand the test of time?

No, R32.

I watched it for the first time just a month ago, and was astonished at how dull and tedious it was.

Of course, knowing the end beforehand didn't help, either.

It absolutely does NOT stand the test of time, imo.

--Anonymous
replies 76Apr 17, 2014 6:11 AM +00:00

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replies 77Apr 17, 2014 6:17 AM +00:00

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replies 78Apr 17, 2014 6:36 AM +00:00

R77 r78 Yoo r both insane crazy and anti Semites

--Anonymous
replies 79Apr 17, 2014 7:08 AM +00:00

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replies 80Apr 17, 2014 7:15 AM +00:00

^ you

--Anonymous
replies 81Apr 17, 2014 7:18 AM +00:00

RB "gave birth" to all those paranoid '70's films about devil children, like "It's Alive", "Basket Case", etc.

Yuppies/Boomers weren't ready to give birth. But they got over it, obviously.

One of the best death scenes from any movie ever. Hurrah, it's Basket Case. THIS IS A FAN VIDEO. Basket Case was written and directed by Frank Henenlotter an...
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--Madeseine McKenzie McPoo
replies 82Apr 17, 2014 10:26 AM +00:00

ADAM: Fuck Satan!

EVE: I do.

ADAM: So do I.

EVE: You two bastards!

ADAM: TWO? Shouldn't that be THREE bastards?

--Anonymous
replies 83Apr 17, 2014 2:48 PM +00:00

R76 is the dumbest fucking person on the planet.

Genius movie, basically perfect. The only things that don't hold up are incidental and unimportant. The drama/emotions, filmmaking technique and performances are timeless.

--Anonymous
replies 84Apr 17, 2014 2:59 PM +00:00

No, the Satanists are supposed to represent the proponents of One World Government some of whom are Jews but many of whom are not.

--Anonymous
replies 85Apr 18, 2014 7:54 AM +00:00

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replies 86Oct 12, 2014 7:48 PM +00:00

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replies 87Oct 15, 2014 9:27 PM +00:00

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replies 88Dec 26, 2014 12:09 PM +00:00

I heard the audio book...It's read by an elderly woman with that New York/Yiddish accent. Perfect for the audio, and it scared the hell out of me.

--Anonymous
replies 89Dec 26, 2014 12:23 PM +00:00

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replies 90Dec 26, 2014 12:32 PM +00:00

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replies 91Dec 26, 2014 12:33 PM +00:00

R88 is unbelievably stupid.

--Anonymous
replies 92Dec 26, 2014 12:34 PM +00:00
Aren't all New Yorkers Jewish? by: Florida retirement homes

Either that, or they're Jews pretending to be Italian.

--Actitivies Director, Shady Pines
replies 93Dec 26, 2014 2:52 PM +00:00
A real Catholic horror film is "The Exorcist."

Or "The Sound of Music."

--C. Underwood
replies 94Dec 26, 2014 2:53 PM +00:00

Bump for this thread, which I referenced in the Armie Hammer thread because it was interesting.

I wish there was a paper written about the Jewishness of Rosemary's Baby or how Polanski's experiences as a persecuted Jew in the Holocaust may have influenced the film. This is all I could find.

In honor of his 80th birthday, Haaretz takes a look at the films of the revered Polish-French-Jewish director and Holocaust survivor.
haaretz.com
--Anonymous
replies 95Dec 3, 2017 6:26 AM +00:00

r95, it can't be a coincidence that Mia Farrow's physical appearance towards the end of the film mirrors a concentration camp prisoner. And we now there were pregnant women in those camps. Also, Polanski was obsessed with how Faye Dunaway's eyebrows had to look in Chinatown, because he based them on the way his mother did hers (his mother was taking off to one of the death camps when pregnant).

--Anonymous
replies 96Dec 3, 2017 6:31 AM +00:00

Good question, OP.

--Anonymous
replies 97Dec 3, 2017 6:32 AM +00:00

Peter Coyote who starred in Polanski's Bitter Moon is Jewish too and his character is clearly the antagonist of the film, corrupting an innocent French girl in a world of degeneracy. Polanski obviously based it on himself but at the same time, as a director, Polanski's sympathies were always with the women in his films. If he personified all the gross Jewish male characters in his movies in real life, it can be said that in his films, Polanski was always on the side of the women.

--Anonymous
replies 98Dec 3, 2017 6:36 AM +00:00

r98, also, physically, Peter Coyote's character in Bitter Moon is stereotypically Jewish in the way a Nazi would have presented it, with the leering grin and the rotten teeth. Also, Kristin Scott Thomas' character looks like Dietrich and Emmanuelle Siegner looks like Garbo, who were the great Aryan goddesses of the 1930s. Polanski really was bringing up his own psyche here.

www.petercoyote.com
--Anonymous
replies 99Dec 3, 2017 6:39 AM +00:00
If he personified all the gross Jewish male characters in his movies in real life, it can be said that in his films, Polanski was always on the side of the women.

That final observation is interesting because I was wondering why Rosemary's Baby so innately appeals to gay men.

--Anonymous
replies 100Dec 3, 2017 6:44 AM +00:00
[R95], it can't be a coincidence that Mia Farrow's physical appearance towards the end of the film mirrors a concentration camp prisoner.

Rosemary is described as a fairly solidly built Midwestern farm girl. They had originally wanted to cast Tuesday Weld.

--Anonymous
replies 101Dec 3, 2017 6:46 AM +00:00

I think that is why some people are a little on the fence about Polanski and not so quick to condemn him, because if you actually study his filmography, the female roles are really amazing and he films them with sensitivity and understanding.

--Anonymous
replies 102Dec 3, 2017 6:47 AM +00:00

Op Here we go again *rolls eyes*

--Anonymous
replies 103Dec 3, 2017 6:48 AM +00:00

I wonder if Liza was ever considered for Rosemary Woodhouse.

“Doctor Shapershtein.”

--Anonymous
replies 104Dec 3, 2017 6:53 AM +00:00

Alec d'Urbeville in Polanski's Tess was clearly Jewish in spirit... an insouciant heir to a fortune, and bearer of an old name that his father purchased ( a name that belongs to the peasant Tess by birthright), Alec becomes the nemesis and downfall of Tess’s life.

--Anonymous
replies 105Dec 3, 2017 6:54 AM +00:00

The Coven symbolized Woody Allen.

--Anonymous
replies 106Dec 3, 2017 6:56 AM +00:00

No, OP, but the Satanism in the film was a substitution for the Luciferianism practiced by real global elites.

Lucifer and Satan are not the same concepts. People who worship Lucifer pretty much hide in plain sight, which is part of the point of the story.

--Anonymous
replies 107Dec 3, 2017 6:58 AM +00:00

R106 I know your joking but it reminds me of how Stanley Kubrick wanted the leader of the “coven” in Eyes Wide Shut to be played by Woody Allen. He eventually cast another Jewish actor/director, Sydney Pollack, in the role.

--Anonymous
replies 108Dec 3, 2017 6:59 AM +00:00
the female roles are really amazing and he films them with sensitivity and understanding

Not really. It's a director's thing to have their female characters tormented, certainly in Europe

--Anonymous
replies 109Dec 3, 2017 7:06 AM +00:00

There’s definitely a huge difference between the tormented women of Lars von Trier and the women of Roman Polanski.

--Anonymous
replies 110Dec 3, 2017 7:08 AM +00:00
It's a director's thing to have their female characters tormented, certainly in Europe

In the USA they torment the actress instead by making her suck the director or producer's dick for parts and awards.

--Anonymous
replies 111Dec 3, 2017 7:09 AM +00:00

r109, how many Polanski films have you seen though?

--Anonymous
replies 112Dec 3, 2017 7:11 AM +00:00