Noted scientist Aaron Rodgers says the government created HIV in the 80s!

“I CAN DO MY OWN RESEARCH.”

Suck it, PhDs!

So, um, how dow did people have it in the 70's, Aaron?

Aaron and Kanye should just fuck and get it over with. Kanye said the same thing in that duet with Adam Levine.

I can’t help but wonder if Scarf Lady was the mastermind behind the project and various psy-ops like the fake mystery illnesses in the 70s that were NOT AIDs.

Rogers researched this with noted truth-teller, Doctor Professor Grand Poobah Louis Farrakhan. You folks just can't handle the truth!

I think he has brain damage from too much football. His empty desk from the football scholarship at UC Berkeley says plenty enough; that he's about as dim as they get.

This man is no authority on anything. He needs to just retire and run into the sunset like all the dim celebrities that follow his path.

AZT was a failure - it's widely documented. A complete travesty, but people and the LGB community were so desperate for help from the medical community re: AIDS, it was the only idea they had with the current technology available.

Fuck that fag.

I find it interesting that this is the hill he wants to die on.

Do you remember the very long exposition scene in “JFK” where Donald Sutherland explains the conspiracy?

Try watching it on 2x speed.

This is the closest approximation I can make to demonstrate how a high-functioning autistic brain works (Oliver Stone is certainly ASD, and I believe Rodgers is.) Autistic brains constantly look for patterns and associations. Relentlessly, analytically processing and making associations.

Sometimes, something goes terribly wrong. I look at Rodgers and I don’t see someone who knows what they are saying is untrue. I see someone who has become very lost and doesn’t know the nature of reality anymore.

Sure, let's make excuses for him.

He’s gunning to be RFK’s Jr’s Surgeon General

I don’t think I’m making excuses for him and I certainly think he deserves to be criticized for spreading his unfounded beliefs. But I do understand how they are being created.

Stanley Kubrick, certainly autistic and widely admired as a genius filmmaker, was incredibly conspiratorial. One of the parallel narratives of The Shining is about the evil of the Federal Reserve!

It's hard to engage with people who are that willfully ignorant.

R13, you're the ignorant one! I'm a very smart man who does my own research! You'd be smarter if you got all your facts from Twitter and YouTube like me!

“I'm not an epidemiologist, but I can read.”

Someone I know who is certainly not autistic who believes the same theories that Rodgers does. So do millions of Joe Rogan fans. If anything people on the spectrum I know do follow science and mock idiots.

Isn't this an old conspiracy theory? The version I read involved the CIA creating it to get rid of "moral lessers" of society such as people of color and gay men.

@r6, "I think he has brain damage from too much football"

This ^^ He, Brett Farve and some suspect even OJ may have/had CTE. I'm not sure all the money footballers make is worth it. Taylor Swift get your man out of the game

I remember Joe Rogan savoring those HIV stories in the back room of Boston’s leather bar Ramrod in the 90’s!

Does Aaron know Roy Suckaboo?

There's no way an autistic person could become a successful NFL quarterback. Quarterbacking is about leadership-- getting a bunch of guys motivated, and making sure they follow your judgments on the field. As a college professor I've seen tons of D1 football players and most aren't this stupid. As a high school teacher, I've had tons of autistic students. There is 0% overlap. Carter is simply ignorant and an asshole. As an adult human, I've seen more people like that than I can count.

If making tenuous connections between various data points is autism, then no one is more guilty than the idiot autism accuser at r9. HE'S THE TRUE AUTIST.

Just ignore the autism troll, who thinks every celebrity is autistic. I’m sure he’s done his own research on it.

[quote] Someone I know who is certainly not autistic who believes the same theories that Rodgers does. So do millions of Joe Rogan fans. If anything people on the spectrum I know do follow science and mock idiots.

I agree with this. Most high functioning autists are extremely forensic and analytical and would not just believe something because they heard it. I probably have fifteen Wikipedia tabs open on my iPad right now.

But like I said, this is what would happen if something goes wrong. My opinion that he has autism wasn’t based on any of the words he said. I watched most of the video on mute. It was based on observing how he was saying them. He is INFODUMPING. This is how it looks high functioning autistic people infodump. They talk extremely rapidly, often gesticulating wildly, while their eyes focus on nothing in particular. They just talk and talk and talk, even if what they’re saying no longer makes any sense to the listener. That is what he is doing.

[quote] There's no way an autistic person could become a successful NFL quarterback. Quarterbacking is about leadership

I hate him so I hate having to use him in examples but

Who is the world’s richest CEO?

If you think the gubmint isn’t capable of this, then maybe you should schedule your 13th COVID booster and shut up.

He’s retarded but this and the government flooding black neighborhoods with crack in the 80s are two conspiracies I kind of believe

The CIA absolutely flooded crack in black neighborhoods

“AIDS was created by the government” absolutely infuriates me because that is a fundamentally white supremacist/white victimhood excuse; AIDS likely existed in most of the 20th century in Africa and spread through the urbanization forced by European colonialism; it spread rapidly among Africans (prostitution, which accompanied urbanism, was the main vector) and African were living and dying with it for decades but nobody thought it was out of the ordinary because they were poor black third world people. It spread to Haiti due to the exchange of educated technocrats with French West Africa during the Duvalier dictatorship; and from Haiti to the United States through the plasma industry and sexual tourism. Everything about AIDS is literally built upon the abuse and exploitation of people of color’s bodies. There is no greater metaphor for colonialism than AIDS.

I respect Aaron's statements, but I can't positively concur with him until noted scientists and great thinkers Chuck Woolery and Kevin Sorbo have chimed in.

He's crazy, but I totally still would.

R28 is psychotic from digesting too much woke propaganda

His eyes! He looks like an absolute lunatic... because he is. God, I hope Fauci sues him to hell and back.

[quote]Taylor Swift get your man out of the game

It's already too late for that oaf.

[quote]Autistic brains constantly look for patterns and associations. Relentlessly, analytically processing and making associations. Sometimes, something goes terribly wrong.

Case in point, our Biden is Exiting the Race! troll.

Apparently CTE Aaron Rogers never came across a conspiracy theory he doesn't believe. HIV goes back to at least the 1960s. The first identified patient with HIV infection and AIDS was a Scandinavian man in the 1960s, who had visited west-central Africa. Because of easier ability to travel between countries, the virus became more and more prevalent in the middle to late 1970s.

Read the book “The Origin of AIDS.” The author pinpointed the transmission to the early 20th century from chimpanzees that were probably killed and eaten by starving British or French colonial soldiers. Urbanization and industrialization changed agrarian African life, creating cities like Johannesburg out of nothing, creating a population of transient young men to work in mines and making prostitution widespread. It was the perfect place for AIDS to emerge.

Love the headline: Noted Scientist.....bwa-ha-ha

Aaron is attractive and smart. Every Datalounger's dream husband.

R39

At least I had him before he was crazy

A mean jerk got his boy down slow and bad.

I'm sure he is a beast in bed given all the crazy, but do you really want to listen to all of his conspiracy theories for a wild fuck?

Didn't the Jets realize what a "package deal" it was getting? Just like the Colts and Andrew Luck, another scholar athlete! Except the latter actually has unbeaten/undiluted brains 🧠

Um, 😬...

Let’s just tell that POS A.R. to shut the fuck up. Nobody gives a flying fuck what he thinks.

[quote]that is a fundamentally white supremacist/white victimhood excuse;

r28 I mean, I mainly heard the conspiracy theory spread around within the community and I personally know gays who believe the government, at minimum, manipulated it to be more virulent and then purposely released it into the gay community as a genocide attempt. The white supremacists seemed to more lean into the "It's God's judgement" bullshit.

I think the government knew exactly what it was as soon as it started clustering in the gay community and treated the gay men infected like lepers by incorrectly suggesting it was spread via the air to further isolate the community and, also, psychologically torment.

It doesn't seem implausible. For the longest, the government and a large chunk of this country had no love for the gay community. Why not try to wipe out the entire community? Keep in mind, this country has a history of literally torturing the marginalized to death and it was supported by the government. So...

The idea that the US government created AIDS was a piece of Soviet-era Russian disinformation which its creators styled "Operation Denver." The rollout was highly successful, and continues to wreak damage even today, informing Covid conspiracy theories.

@r43, "do you really want to listen to all of his conspiracy theories for a wild fuck? "

I'm still thinking 🤔

(^.^) fake interest for a real fuck

Hilarious but sad to see all the gay sheep line up and not even question that there was something suspect about HIV suddenly appearing in the 1980's right when gay people were finally gaining some measure of equality.

^ Hi, troll, yeah we did back in the 80s, that's when we discovered it was all bullshit . Isn't it time for your potato and vodka break?

[Quote] Hilarious but sad to see all the gay sheep line up and not even question that there was something suspect about HIV suddenly appearing in the 1980's right when gay people were finally gaining some measure of equality.

and fucking like crazy w/o protection

I can't work out his motivation. Usually people that make comments like that are grifters looking for Twitter engagement to make money and get attention, but Rodgers clearly has enough money and attention from his football.

^ He's not having regular sex with anyone and the closet is making him nuts

Re: R53: He enjoys stoking hate and mistrust of the government, vaccines, and the like. He gets off on it. He loves upsetting people and having people even dumber than he is look to him as a news source.

In times of trouble or need, do you think this p.o.s. has to worry about standing in line for treatment or healthcare? For food? To see a provider or a specialist? Fuck no. He will always have the best and there will be no delay. But his smooth brained fans who think he's some deep thinker or he's uncovering some great conspiracy before their very eyes? Well their care, treatment, and providers are and will be substandard and part of that will be traced back to the misinformation Rodgers is shoveling their way.

Which he also probably gets a charge out of, by the way. He is not a good person.

W&W for R55 all day

R47 Even the Russians couldn't believe their psy-op got any traction back in the 80's.

Brain damage.

I didn't get the conspiracy theory gene, but I do find them interesting. In order for most conspiracy theories to actually be real, the number of people and the mix of public and private agencies that would need to be involved just makes you think it would be almost too impossible to pull off. I don't care how many NDAs are signed, someone, somewhere is going to talk.

Most of the conspiracy theories take some of the truth in a situation, look for something that was not homogeneous, and then go down a rabbit hole with it. The overwhelming majority of these theories remind me of the Marvel comic book series I used to read as a kid, What If..., which takes superhero characters, put's them in a somewhat different scenario, and then weaves a fairy tale alternative world.

It's like the conspiracy shit around TWA flight 800. Missiles don't target and fire themselves in a vacuum. If as alleged the plane was hit by a missile from a sub or ship, one that has a crew, dozens unto hundreds of people knew about it.

And each and every one of them kept their mouths shut for almost thirty years? Come on. The guy running for the Senate in Montana can't keep a story about how one bullet got in his arm straight. But hundreds of people watched a plane fall out of the sky killing hundreds of people they had something to do with and we get crickets?

You'd have to be crazy to believe that.

What r51 and r61 said.

The same people who slam how inept any government is, be it local, state or federal, are usually the same people who believe the government can flawlessly mastermind a fantastical, monumental event.

I actually resent and am a bit envious of conspiracy theorists for the extra mental bandwidth they have to entertain their fantasies to the point that it supplants reality.

As it is, my mental and emotional budget is overwhelmed by reality; existence and facts as they are.

Ooops, meant r59, not r51 ^

Not absurd. The military asked for $10 million to create a virus to work on the immune system, and they got the money. Dr. Robert Gallo's published papers show a pattern of experimentation.

@r62, "I actually resent and am a bit envious of conspiracy theorists for the extra mental bandwidth they have to entertain their fantasies to the point that it supplants reality. "

You've never done meth, have you? It's amazing how much useless bandwidth that shit gives you 🤪

[quote]The same people who slam how inept any government is, be it local, state or federal, are usually the same people who believe the government can flawlessly mastermind a fantastical, monumental event.

That's exactly what I tell people, R62.

I ask them, "Do you know anyone who works for the government*? These people barely do what they [italic]get paid[/italic] to do, they're so fucking stupid and lazy -- they could never [italic]flawlessly mastermind a fantastical, monumental event.[/italic]

*not all of them, of course -- but most

The STOOPID, don’t trust the government conspiracies also provide cover for the real scandals.

Like how the blood banking industry and factor VIII pharma companies bribed doctors to lie and tell congress that there no evidence that it was a blood borne illness and not to test for and discard Hep. B positive blood. (80ish percent of PWAs in the early to mid-80s were also Hep B positive) Of course they were intentionally soliciting Hep B positive donors because they could separate the components into both Hep B vaccine AND Factor VIII, doubling their profits.

And once it was confirmed that HIV was blood borne and they were required to dump the infected reserves? The requirement didn’t extend to Puerto Rico so they dumped all the infected blood and Factor VIII there instead of throwing it out and taking a financial loss.

So fucking glad the Packers ditched his nutty ass. He nearly ruined almost 50 years of my Packer fandom. I was sad to see Aaron Jones go. That still hurts and I think the decision will bite them in the ass

"Government gameplan" is pushing it but wrapped into that broad misnomer Aaron does offer some decent insight re: Fauci and the AIDS vaccine. Some do blame Fauci for it not happening but it's much bigger than that.

R50

HIV had been around in small numbers for many decades. Small isolated outbreaks that never took hold.

What happened in the 1970s for gay men? The bath culture exploded. The club baths and other venues went from nowhere to virtually everywhere and almost overnight it seemed.

Coupled with lots and lots more anal sex by lots more people in the baths, poppers which helped increase everything including fisting. And the fisting community became ground central for aids and death in the early 1980s.

The FFA was an actual real group. It was not the CIA it was not Reagan it was far to much exchange of bodily fluid by far to many people and HIV and AIDS exploded in a perfect storm of unfortunate events that came together.

[quote]The same people who slam how inept any government is, be it local, state or federal, are usually the same people who believe the government can flawlessly mastermind a fantastical, monumental event.

No, r62. It's that these government bodies have been proven to not only be corrupt, but downright evil and calculating. I don't find them inept at all. Anyone capable of orchestrating controlled chaos on multiple occasions for their own personal gain is actually quite intelligent. It's the average citizen who is dumb enough to believe they aren't actually capable of pulling this shit off when they've done worse. Repeatedly.

[quote] What happened in the 1970s for gay men?

Gay liberation in general resulted in new attitudes toward promiscuity, which was recontextualized not only as empowering but self-fulfillment.

AIDS spread because of an extremely efficient mode of transmission - semen depositing. Doesn’t matter if it happened in a bathhouse or not. The 1970s saw the creation of the gay ghetto where for the first time in history thousands of gay men were brought together in close proximity and told to be as promiscuous as possible. This had never happened before. It was a perfect storm.

The craziest thing about (the very crazy) Rodgers isn't that he has these ridiculously stupid and dangerous beliefs, which aren't unusual among professional athletes and/or people who've sustained significant head trauma. It's that he's proudly and quite deliberately made it such a prominent part of his public persona.

R72

How old are you? Asked nicely :-)

In the 1960s you had no baths virtually anywhere. There were no darkroom leather clubs in major cities. You had gloryholes in dept stores and such. , the local picked park, gangbang anal orgy groups are kind of hard to pull off in those places

You also had meeting someone in a bar and actually going home with them to fuck. Or maybe the local ad in the local Free Press.

The baths and other venues similar to the baths changed everything as far as how much fucking went on.

Why wouldn't he, R73? It gets him arguments and attention. And that's his true end game as it is the end game of any contrarian, be they famous or the garden variety loudmouth on your social feed who posts for likes, views, and to clap back.

[quote]and fucking like crazy w/o protection

r52 And that was something new in the 80's? We've been doing that forever.

[quote]It gets him arguments and attention.

When all is said and done, it will have cost him tens of millions of dollars in endorsements and post-NFL career opportunities. Which people like him don't care about when they're mouthing off and getting attention, but no matter how wealthy they are it eventually turns into a woe-is-me tale of systemic persecution.

How many poz guys has Erin been with?

R77 Case in point: Curt Schilling.

A lot of people want to stuff the bloody sock in his mouth.

[quote]it eventually turns into a woe-is-me tale of systemic persecution.

Which inevitably leads to job with Fox News.

^ Aaron's Conspiracy Hour, coming this fall on Fox!

[quote] ^ He's not having regular sex with anyone and the closet is making him nuts.

Exactly, he needs to get laid asap. Better yet as the lone bottom in a gang bang with a bunch of college aged football players who ravage his sacred hole and leave creamed and gaping.

R41 Do we think AR ever let Kevin fuck him and cum in his hole. Did AR have a deep secret fetish to be a submissive cum dump bottom and have his hole ravaged, torn apart and bred by Kevin and possibly others.

Kevin Lanflisi is helping the government spread AIDS

Who? Never met him…

R76 not like in the 70s and 80s when Clubs like the Anvil, Mineshaft, The Limelight and so many other venues opened during the era of gay liberation

[quote]The baths and other venues similar to the baths changed everything as far as how much fucking went on.

Then by that logic the closing of the bathhouses in San Francisco would have greatly reduced the number of new cases. It did not.

AIDS was capable of spreading because

A) societal change: the sexual revolution created new positive attitudes about sexual activity among many people

B) centralization: white flight emptied out large urban neighborhoods like the Castro, which created larger and centralized gay villages (San Francisco’s gay community had corners in Polk Gulch, SoMa and the Tenderloin before they centralized in the Castro). These people built businesses (including bathhouses) and communities that had not existed in such size, volume and proximity before. These drew like a magnet more and more people from the hinterlands. And not just transplants - tourists, who could transport the virus to other cities.

The Castro was the proverbial fish in a barrel situation. Every plague starts the same way - people in close proximity become exposed to a virus.

R87

No there is a difference between a change agent like IMO the baths were and saying that change agent is the only thing driving an issue. Lots of things came into play.

Lots of infections by the time the baths closed and those HIV infections kept showing up for years. And then the Internet came along and was another major change agent.

But infections did drop drastically especially P&S syphilis in the 1990s which saw a dramatic drop after the baths were closed. Also a time of safe sex and great condom use. Then the condoms came off and safe sex became code for anti sex homophobe.

I don’t think I am not disagreeing with anything you have said

I don't remember the exact year AIDS became something everyone started worrying about. 85? 86? I know that I was still a teen. Was it the Rock Hudson/Linda Evans kiss on Dynasty that set it off mainstream?

R89 The first significant mainstream article about a disease that was affecting the gay community was published in July 1981.

On July 3, 1981, The New York Times published its first article about "AIDS", which was not yet identified or diagnosed. The article headline read, “Rare Cancer Seen in 41 Homosexuals.” The cancer was Kaposi's sarcoma, and until then it had seldom been seen in otherwise healthy young men.

It wasn't until about 1983-1984 that the virus they names HIV was identified as the most likely cause, and that it was suspected causing a suppression of the immune system that resulted in cancers, pneumonia, and numerous other opportunistic diseases. I recall by 1983 I was a freshman in college and I was reluctant to kiss other guys let alone have sex with them. It put a significant pause on my progression into a gay sex life, but my fear of being intimate probably also saved me from getting infected. More than half the gay people I knew from college and in my groups of friends, acquaintances and neighbors in NYC died between 1984 and 2000.

I was ashamed of my circumcision and it saved me too from hiv because it made me avoid sex.

I remember first reading about it in Rolling Stone in the spring of '83. I'm pretty sure because it was in my freshman year and the only year I had a subscription.

I read that story that morning R90. We got the NY Times in the office. It scared the shit out of me because I figured the "41 homosexuals" weren't doing anything I wasn't doing up until then.

Some people initially were actually suspecting that poppers were the cause of the gay cancer.

[quote]I remember first reading about it in Rolling Stone in the spring of '83.

I heard about it in RS too, but I can't remember the year. And like R94 said, there was speculation that it was related to poppers or something in bathhouses.

RFK Jr spreads the "poppers cause AIDS" conspiracy

I can read though

[quote]RFK Jr spreads the "poppers cause AIDS" conspiracy

You Biden apologists are hysterical. I don't give a rat's ass what a President or a Presidential candidate thinks about poppers or AIDS for that matter. What's he gonna do about it? I just know Biden is a doddering old fool, Trump is insane, and we need a better option on the economy and foreign policy than either of those two jokers.

“Fool” and “insane” are apt descriptions for Kennedy.

[quote]PC/R98: You Biden apologists are hysterical.

WTF does noting that RFK Jr is a pseudoscience conspiracy theorist have to be with Biden, or being a Biden apologist? Regardless of Biden, RFK Jr is deeply unqualified to be president. And he seems to be carrying water for Russia and Trump, so you cannot pretend that he's the middling solution to this.

From a practical standpoint, thinking that RFK Jr can win is simply untethered from reality. It won't happen; he can only function as a spoiler. And for all intents and purposes, by continuing to beat this drum, 𝑦𝑜𝑢'𝑟𝑒 carrying water for Russia and Trump. Why are you doing that? I know you're not that stupid. Are you being paid to do it? Are you being 𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑑 to do it? Did you drink bleach or imbibe ivermectin? WTF gives?

[quote]I don't give a rat's ass what a President or a Presidential candidate thinks about poppers or AIDS for that matter. What's he gonna do about it?

It makes a profound difference to legislation for funding, research, and disease/pandemic responses whether the sitting president is on the side of science, or is a goddamned nut.

R98, I didn't even mention Biden, I was just pointing out one of the MANY kooky conspiracies that RFK believes

R101, RFK Jr amplifies the views of Peter Duesberg, an AIDS denialist.

Hmm, the Rationalwiki article on Peter Duesberg seems to be the more succinct. I should have posted it instead.

Perhaps the Rationalwiki article on RFK Jr is, as well.

I am a gay man and I have spent my life APPALLED by the wanton harlot lifestyles of homosexuals, the venal nihilistic lust and the insatiable bottom(less) need for sperm and worship of anal secretions bringing the disease and pestilence only kept at bay in a stop gap way by costly toxic chemotherapy which must be paid for by upstanding citizens such as myself. Appalled, I say, as all of us normal gay man are, those who know that our full dance cards are NOT comparable to orgies a go go.

▲ Ladies and Gentlemen, the Pope Emeritus, Benedict XVI.

r100 It's lesser of three evils at this point.

Wouldn't one say "the least of three evils"?

PC/R107, RFK Jr 𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑛𝑜𝑡 be the lesser of three evils because votes for him throw the election to Trump. The RFK Jr campaign has already admitted that this was their intention in running him to begin with. It was never to place RFK Jr in the White House. Jill Stein was used by Putin in much the same way in 2016.

But since at R98, you brought up Biden, let's talk about him, then. You cannot characterize him as being 'evil' in a class in any way comparable to Trump without having bought into various claims of dezinformatsiya, you know that, right? And Biden's age and infirmity is not a legitimate issue because, should anything happen to him, the vice president succeeds him. And she is both competent and able. There's no 'evil' there.

RFK Jr is intended to throw the election to Trump. And Trump 𝑖𝑠 evil, a proxy for Vladimir Putin. No sane person could want that.

R105

Many on DL claim a coming gay witch hunt if the right are elected. The Mike Johnson’s of the world unleashed.

There is only one thing that will shake the foundations of gay rights in the US and that is if the 93% , the non gay non queer group of citizens become afraid of the 7% because of infectious disease. The 7% just can’t be seen as a risk to the 93% and their children,

As long as the diseases stay within the high risk groups, the IV drug addicts , the street sex workers, the homeless, the gay males, no one hardly will much give a damn

.

How many people would be 'shocked' if Aaron came out? I'm assuming very few.

R110 Maybe I'm being optimistic here, but I honestly think if the right did try to start a gay witch hunt there'd be a pretty big backlash. Look at how the recent abortion witch hunt has resulted in many Republicans and those on the right calling for calm - because they know more than 50% of the population aren't anti all abortion.

There's obviously still a lot of homophobia out there, but I think a majority of people now don't really 'care' about homosexuality. They're not 'pro' gay people, but they're not against us either.

With the abortion issue, they can say it's "baby murder" or "what about the rights of the baby?" With trans people they can say "we don't want men in dresses attacking women in bathrooms" but with gay rights and gay marriage it's really hard to argue against, because it's just consenting adults of the same sex who are impacted. Most people grudgingly accept gay marriage now that it's a reality and - even if they're not our biggest fans - most don't want to take those sort of rights away from gay people.

R112

Absolutely, gay rights are currently on firm ground and accepted in the US. And the right can’t use the Bible to change that.

Just as long as the majority don’t become afraid of the queer community because of gay and bi men and infectious disease,. If that happens all bets are off and hunting season will begin.

R113 I think one of the key reasons tolerance and acceptance of gay people has risen is because more feel confident coming out. This means most people have at least one gay person in their (extended) family, or a gay friend, acquaintance, work colleague, etc.

Putting a human face on a subject like gay rights makes a massive difference, because then gay people aren't this scary faceless people. They're individuals you actually know and care about.

That's why I can't see the scenario you mention happening. If someone tries to spin a narrative that's negative about gay people, most people will compare what's being said against what they know, and when the two don't align they'll reject it.

And Germany was the safest country in Europe for Jews until it wasn’t.

[quote]Autistic brains constantly look for patterns and associations. Relentlessly, analytically processing and making associations.

That’s how ALL brains work, dumbass.

R113

Men who identify as bi or gay are still a very small % of the US population. According to recent Gallup surveys 7.2% of the population when you include all the GLBT+++.

But if that small % of gay and bi men within that 7.2% start to pose a threat to the health of the majority and their children things will change drastically. We dodged a bullet on HIV which stayed pretty much a high risk issue and never went wide spread everyone at risk. We dodged a bullet on monkeypox and that never crossed over as many feared.

But if the next time the infections or risks do cross over into the majority and threaten their health everything will change.

All the majority would have to do is read on line for stories of refusing to practice safe sex, the refusal to use condoms, lots and lots and lots of high risk sex, the talks of PnP orgies, things will change drastically. And things will get ugly.

The tiny in numbers minorities just can’t be seen as risks to the vast majority..

[quote]Just as long as the majority don’t become afraid of the queer community because of gay and bi men and infectious disease,.

Just dropping this here for no reason.

Some of you either have no idea how much religious people still despise us and wish we would go back to being forced to hide or are right wingers and trying lull the few naive here, into a false sense of security.

I know it's exhausting and upsetting to accept but, yes Blanche, they still feel that way. Plus they are pissed they've had to "hide it" for a couple of years because of "PC"/"woke" and they're infuriated we and our "lifestyle" are being "shoved down" their throats in their movies, TV shows, and media.

Don't be stupid about the reason for their acceptance. Don't assume their hate for us is gone just because it's not overt. Just because their focus is on another group, doesn't mean they don't plan on kicking us in the teeth again at first opportunity.

R118

When or if things turn bad for the gay male community it will not be hate and the Bible that will drive people. It will be fear of infectious disease or diseases that can no longer be treated..

With luck this won’t happen. But it will take luck. And let’s hope that new and deadly strain of Mpox is not an issue we are talking about in the coming months.

@r116, "That’s how ALL brains work, dumbass. "

😂🤣

R119 speaks truth.

Reasons wouldn’t be monolithic and plenty of erstwhile allies would console themselves with getting our things at discount.

[quote]we and our "lifestyle" are being "shoved down" their throats in their movies

Pics please.

[quote]I was just pointing out one of the MANY kooky conspiracies that RFK believes

He's a nutcase who shouldn't hold any public office, let alone the presidency.

The only sane thing RFK Jr ever stood for was for keeping the New York State Hudson river and water sources clean from pollutants. Just about everything else was false beliefs and basically lunacy.

(Besides everyone knows that AIDS is caused by indoor track lighting on grey carpet)

So you too are a thorough moron R27?

I lost about half the friends I had at the time. People like you are akin to holocaust deniers and Confederate bigots. All in an ass backwards attempt to discredit the very man that led the charge to find effective treatment.

The reason however misguided for autism trolls ascribing the disorder to people like you is simply because they are looking for a neurological explanation for such dysfunction.

Gay people have come a very long way in a very short amount of time, but, sadly, way too many confuse tolerance with acceptance. We didn't get marriage equality in a proper manner - which is legislatively. The courts gave it too us. Many states still have antiquated anti-sodomy laws in their code. Most people are not calling us mental deviants and are throwing us in asylums, but there are still many, many places in this country where gay men do not feel that they can come out publicly. I think many people don't truly understand that there are two very different worlds for gay people based on many factors and they're not all political.

^ That's never going to happen. Legally mandated tolerance is about the best you can hope for

And legally mandated tolerance goes away with not voting or throwing your vote away on a crackpot tool like RFK Jr.

I think mpox came from monkeys. We should rename it to monkey pox.

[quote]When or if things turn bad for the gay male community it will not be hate and the Bible that will drive people. It will be fear of infectious disease or diseases that can no longer be treated..

r120 It's already getting bad for the entire LGBT community and the driving force is not fear of infectious disease. People who once even considered themselves "accepting" or "tolerant" are being driven more towards either an unwillingness to support (apathy) or fight for our rights or just full blown anti-LGBT because of the active attempts to involve their children in anything LGBT-related. Everyone has a boundary. I think the biggest boundary has been, and always will be, their kids.

That's universal. No one wants someone trying to influence their kids in a way that goes against their personal beliefs and values. I'm sure gay parents don't want homophobes influencing their children with anti-LGBT, either. And both are currently happening in society. If anything, parents on both sides of the issue are about to implode. The only problem is that there are fewer same-sex parents than there are straights who, by and large, are becoming more and more incentivized to push-back on anything LGBT related because it's definitely gone too far is certain cases.

That said, the Democrats' most reliable voting blocks have traditionally been racial minorities and Muslims for decades. Unfortunately, the increase in introducing children to LGBT topics in children's media, schools, etc doesn't sit well with the vast majority of those same racial minorities due to a long history of homophobic beliefs being deeply ingrained in the culture. This is especially true with Muslims. Add to the Palestine/Israel conflict, and that is one voting block that may be sitting home en masse in November and indirectly helping the right.

We should rename it RodgersPox

r109 PD, I know we disagree on many things, and one of them is Ukraine. I see our support for Ukraine as a huge threat to world peace. It's reignited the Cold War. And it's rather evident to me that he Biden family's involvement in that country before the 2014 coup, shows there is U.S. intervention, directed by then VP Biden.

So yes, I consider Biden an "evil" and malignant force whose policies can lead us to nuclear conflict. Couple that with his administrations tacit approval of Israel's invasion of Gaza? Nah, I know the Democrats are better for working people and minorities, black and LGBT etc. But his foreign policy is enough for me to look elsewhere.

And I like Kamala Harris. I'm a big fan. BUT, and it's a big butt! If Biden dies, I don't think she has the strength to withstand the forces which will be lined up against her.

Despite RFK's loony views on the vaxx and AIDs, like I said, of the three, I'm seriously considering voting for him or Cornel West.

Cornel West? Ah, yes, the "liberal" who's getting funding from Harlan Crow

I'm seriously thinking of voting for my neighbor, Ed. He's pretty cool and promises to do stuff that needs doing if elected

I'm in

[quote]PC/R135: PD, I know we disagree on many things, and one of them is Ukraine.

Yes.

[quote]I see our support for Ukraine as a huge threat to world peace.

The threat to world peace is not our support for Ukraine's sovereignty, but rather Putin's aggressive attempt to take the country over and absorb it into Russia. The behavior is like that of Hitler. And Putin has no intention of stopping with Ukraine. He next intends to invade the nearest proximate European countries.

[quote]It's reignited the Cold War.

The Cold War never ended. And to the extent it has gotten hotter, again, that it due to Vladimir Putin, not to the actions of any US presidents.

[quote]And it's rather evident to me that he Biden family's involvement in that country before the 2014 coup, shows there is U.S. intervention, directed by then VP Biden.

As I remarked before, dezinformatsiya. You've fallen down a rabbit hole. None of that crap is true. See the accompanying link.

You need to pay attention to where that stuff is coming from, and who's spreading/amplifying it.

[quote]Couple that with his administrations tacit approval of Israel's invasion of Gaza?

He has no direct control over that. About the only way he could put a stop to that would be to put out a hit on Netanyahu, and that's really not an option. This isn't the 1960s-1970s. Holding Biden responsible for Netanyahu's actions is an argument being ampified by Russian troll farms in an effort to get younger US voters to abandon Biden.

[quote]And I like Kamala Harris. I'm a big fan. BUT, and it's a big butt! If Biden dies, I don't think she has the strength to withstand the forces which will be lined up against her.

So your answer is to cede the election to Trump? You need to rethink that.

Once Trump/Putin have won, there won't be anything standing in the way of them destroying United States LGBTs. And they have every intention of it. Putin is already destroying Russia's gays.

[quote]Despite RFK's loony views on the vaxx and AIDs, like I said, of the three, I'm seriously considering voting for him or Cornel West.

It's a zero sum game. Voting for a third party candidate is the same as not voting at all, or as directly voting for Trump. The only option which has the potential to defeat Trump is a vote for Biden, whether you find him sufficiently perfect or not. It is the logical choice.

[quote]And it's rather evident to me that he Biden family's involvement in that country before the 2014 coup, shows there is U.S. intervention, directed by then VP Biden.

"There's not a shred of evidence but I'm going to make this accusation anyway."

Are you a GOP member of the House Judiciary Committee?

The Burnt Toast man from yesterday could have found a home and similar spirits on this thread.

[quote]"There's not a shred of evidence but I'm going to make this accusation anyway." Are you a GOP member of the House Judiciary Committee?

[r139] Huh? That's completely irrelevant to what I said. VP Biden first visited Ukraine in 2010. His son set up shop there in 2013, a year before the coup. The Bidens have invested millions there. It's not a coincidence that Biden is President and voila! - there is a war in Ukraine.

There's your evidence. Refute it.

^ Knock it off you Q-Nut troll. Why don't you spend your energy deep-diving Jared Kushner's $2 billion Saudi take or Trump's $25 million China take. WHILE WORKING FOR THE US GOVERNMENT

Poisoned Dragon, thank you for your reasoned response to Platonic Caveman. Not only are his basic facts wrong, but he is also committing the first sin of non-logical thinking. Correlation is NOT causation. (Nor does it count as "evidence")

Let's first organize the whole Hunter Biden involvement with Burisma, using all the knowledge that is widely available on this topic. Hunter Biden was UNDOUBTEDLY hired by Burisma in the hopes that his family name would attract investors and would also provide cover for some highly suspect and corrupt business dealings. In Hunter's early time with Burisma, Ukraine (under the OLD regime), had a corrupt prosecutor general overseeing corrupt business dealings. The part you don't seem to know or understand is that Joe Biden directly intervened to have that corrupt official, Viktor Shokin FIRED - which meant that that there was no longer a government official in Ukraine protecting Burisma from investigation. Joe Biden did this at the behest of a wide consortium of US European allies, all of whom agreed that that prosecutor needed to go.

Where is your evidence that the Bidens have invested millions in Ukraine? None was provided.

You do know that the FBI informant whose information you are parroting has now been arrested for making up the entire story, right?

I was sad to see Aaron Jones go. That still hurts and I think the decision will bite them in the ass

r68, you're singing my tune.

I Jordan Love, love, LOVE, the running game when it gets hot, more than the passing game.

Give Jordan Love whatever amount of dough-ray-mee he asks for, put a solid offensive line around him that will prevent him being thrown around like a rag-doll, and they're good to go.

Handing off to a smoking runner is always the less the physically risky play than a pass.

I just forsee Aaron Jones singlehandedly leading the Vikings to the Superbowl. Or at least just kicking the shit out of the Packers.

He was lovesick with a broken heart and this is why he became a Qanon anti-vaxx magat. We should all console him.

R139 do you honestly think Burisma the Ukranian Energy Company would have put Hunter Biden on its board if he wasn't the son of the Vice President?

R147

Breaking News

People who know people, people who know important people,,people who are related to important people often get hired for jobs absolutely no one under any conceivable condition would think of hiring us for.

Which leads to the theory that rich connected people often get breaks the rest of us don’t get.

Shocking?

INCREDIBLE! Especially if the person is a self-admitted crack addict whose father wields power and influence and is hired by a foreign entity. I wonder why? Ever hear of influence peddling? In 2016 Joe Biden called for the dismissal of Ukranian prosecutor Viktor Shokin whose office had Burisma and other companies under investigation.

Yes the political influence of crack and sex addicts

If your brother or sister was potus someone would throw money at you as well. And you would not have to be competent or a crack addict to get those jobs..

R150 it's not about the political influence of crack addicts or sex addicts but rather the power of the VP but then again you know that, but you just don't have a sensible explanation.

The hard drive and documents from Senate Republicans indicate few of Biden’s deals ever came to fruition and shed light on how fast he was spending his money.

Wishing to corrupt someone is not the same thing as having actually corrupted them, but feel free to keep making unsubstantiated leaps and jumping to unsupported conclusions, I hear it’s great exercise.

They took a good chance and hired the crack addict son of the VP. A good idea but was wasted money. They got shit for their effort. But their effort made sense.

If any of my people become potus I will be getting job offers. And they will be flooding in. And brother I will be taking some.

Hopefully it won't be a job that doesn't require clear and concise communication skills R154

R155

Makes no difference I will be getting that job . I will be rich and attending state dinners and you will still be a nasty cunt on the Internet. We will both have a role to play.

r149 - Your trolling skills appear to be non-existent.

[quote]^ Knock it off you Q-Nut troll. Why don't you spend your energy deep-diving Jared Kushner's $2 billion Saudi take or Trump's $25 million China take. WHILE WORKING FOR THE US GOVERNMENT

r142 Dumbass, I'm a left wing anarchist. This is the irrational flaw in your thinking. Merely because I'm anti-war and I know Biden is corrupt old and senile, it doesn't mean I support right wing QAnon wackos. Haha. Fuck Kushner and Trump. Who's even talking about them?

Maybe you should enroll in a political science class at your local community college. It might help you follow the discourse here.

[quote]I'm a left wing anarchist.

What you are, r158/Caveman is a run of the mill, attention seeking troll.

R158

Are you a wind bag talker on the Internet that calls himself an anarchist or are you the real deal that has done shit?

Anarchist that are just talkers aren’t worth shit.

R154 Is there anything that indicates that job offers foreign or domestic were flooding in for Hunter Biden?

Anarchy ultimately devolves into tyranny of the most powerful and/or ruthless. There are no real-life examples of a successful long-term anarchist society. That said my Antifa-adjacent anarchist brother went and volunteered with the Ukrainian resistance so blaming your parroting of Russian disinformation as somehow the only logical outcome of being an anarchistic is unfair to your fellow anarchists PC.

r159 And you're an anonymous coward who supports the military industrial complex.

[quote]Are you a wind bag talker on the Internet that calls himself an anarchist or are you the real deal that has done shit?

r160 I'm a manufacturing manager who supports the rights of my workers. I live this shit. Yeah, I donate to Antifa. But they're not our ideal advocates.

I'm an anarcho-syndicalist who supports worker's control of industry and abolition of the state.

Caveman also gets off on teenagers raping each other with bats. Ignore it. It’s a troll.

r162 ElderLez, Ukraine is a boondoggle for the arms industry. Please, that's hardly a war of liberation in Ukraine. They're Ukrainian nationalists and shills for the U.S.

What about being an anti-war activist don't you understand? I take no side in Russia v Ukraine. I'm neutral and anti-war and against American meddling and profits for the arms dealers at the expense of the Ukrainian people.

R163 I’ve got zero shame about believing that a world where liberal democracies have technological, economic and yes, military, superiority to fascist dictatorships is a better world than the alternative.

And being middle management in manufacturing does not make you Emma Goldman.

r165 Lol. If that wasn't a troll post I dunno what is. 🤣

Aaron Rodgers plays football, not baseball.

[quote]And being middle management in manufacturing does not make you Emma Goldman.

r167 Some of us have to work for a living. I interact with the workers everyday and act as their advocate while helping to manufacture an excellent product.

Caveman is also apparently stupid.

R164

So you do a lot of supporting and some donating ? Just another yacker like most are.

I was confused following this thread for a bit until I realized there were missing posts. Yep, reflexively contrarian PC, the only poster on my ignored list.

I don't get why people are still wasting their time with PC, r173.

Are there people on DL not wasting their time? That thought has never dawned on me

r172 I'm a worker, fool. What, you think anarcho-syndicalists throw bombs? Anarchism is not chaos, it's an ordered system without government.

Ordered systems are forms of government.

I loathe this fuckheaded fuckwit. But that theory's been around for a while and it's been debated here several times.

r173 Duh uh wuh wuh wuh uh duh. Retard, don't let anyone hurt your wittle brain with posts which might frustrate you. 🤣

@r158, "I'm a left wing anarchist."

Then why do you sound like a drunken MAGAt?... Dumbass

- r142

Nothing wrong with being a talker that talks about things and says they support shit. It’s brave people like you that make a difference.

Oh and you are management. Worker my ass.

R176

r177 Lez, you need to research anarcho-syndicalism. Workers' syndicates replace a state dominated by corporate interests.

@r179, Drunk jackass

r181 And what do you do? I create a great product and I back my workers.

“I’m a left wing anarchist”

No lie I can’t stop laughing.

Caveman, fapping over teenage rape stories.

I went to college with anarcho-syndicalists so I don’t need to research them having had my intellectual full of them and their Marxist cousins for four years.

Anarcho-syndicalists, Steve Bannon, Peter Thiel and Leninists all desire the destruction of the state as a prelude to some working class utopia. (Well in Peter Thiel’s case maybe only a billionaire and his trades’utopia) It’s great that you back your workers, but I prefer a world where worker’s right are protected by law not subject to the whims of the man in charge.

r187 We deal with what we have on hand. We support existing unions and government labor laws. But the ultimate goal is an end to the state and its replacement with workers' syndicates.

European social democracies are already evolving in our direction.

The new neighbor

Q-And what do you do for a living?

A-I’m a left wing anarchist

Q-and hobbies?

A- I’m a left wing anarchist

This is better than SNL

[Quote] Wishing to corrupt someone is not the same thing as having actually corrupted them, but feel free to keep making unsubstantiated leaps and jumping to unsupported conclusions, I hear it’s great exercise.

Not such a leap when Hunter was clearly hired by a foreign energy corporation for his connections rather than his ability. job experience and crack I mean track record

@r188, Communism is SOOO mid 20th century 🙄

Hint, it failed, comrade

@r190, Hunter will be the first to admit he's a nepo-baby, but last I checked that's not illegal, otherwise the entire Trump family would be in jail, which they should be, but not for nepotism

[quote]Ordered systems are forms of government.

But "anarchy" sounds so much sexier, don't you think?

I see what you did there R192. You reduced the issue to being about a nepo-baby

R190

Breaking News at 11

Hunter Biden found to be an addict who would lean on dad’s name to secure a well paying job. Three or four people in DC say they are shocked.

@r194 " Hunter was clearly hired by a foreign energy corporation for his connections rather than his ability. job experience and crack I mean track record "

The very definition of nepotism, but again, not illegal

@195, "Hunter Biden found to be an addict who would lean on dad’s name to secure a well paying job."

Well, LOCK 'EM UP!

It's mind-blowing that then ineffective, four-decade old Soviet propaganda isn't in the dustbin of history, but uncovered and disseminated now more effectively than the KGB managed to then. I mean this is eye-popping stuff.

R196 diversion doesn't make the apparent conflict of interest look better

Hunter Biden is no where near the threat to our countries future that Trump is. You are free to argue that point if you think I am wrong..

But if all you have is a sleazy son and a job that boat don’t fly

My real fear for the country is not maga or trump. It’s left wing anarchist that will try and talk us to death.

R199 Calm down girl! No one said Hunter Biden was a threat to the country. Overreact much!

@r198, You're linking to Newsmax? Don't you have any links to TASS? 😂

Newsmax :-)

R202 So, ignore the content and focus on the label. Did you even watch the video which presents a balanced view btw?

Dan Abrams is on NewsNATION, not Newsmax. Keep up!

R202 Calm down girl and get the facts right! BTW how do you feel about the NY Times?

I think when you DLers all come to this thread, you think about hot passionate closet case sex with Aaron. When he rams your tight ass with his tanned white supremacy cock, he whispers in your ear "this is just bro-sex, I am still straight, ok?" and you answer "yes" and kiss him on the forehead. When he cums inside you, he falls asleep in your arms and the next day he pretends you two were just watching a nascar race and both fell asleep from drinking too much beer.

@r205, I'll let you "keep up" with the fascist newscasters that you want to fuck

@r207, 0/10 🙄

@r206, This is a WAY better story... AND it's only a month old as opposed to your 3 year old story

“I think when you…”

Nope but we now know what you are thinking. Kind of a sad pathetic story actually.

“The love that dare not mention its name”

It has sort of a 1958 feel bout it.

[quote]put a solid offensive line around him that will prevent him being thrown around like a rag-doll

This is easier said than done.

R210 Same old, same old. One doesn't mitigate the other.

LoL, National Review, r206? Because...of course.

that Jessica Walter eyeroll is as tired as you are. R214

@r213, Aw, but you're wrong, numbnuts, the story I posted was about illegal influence pedaling...

"Hunter Biden had years of boardroom experience before he was hired at energy firms under investigation, but Kushner “had no experience in private equity, in fact he was so inexperienced that Saudi officials tried to block the transfer of the money until the crown prince overruled them.” After Casar’s questions, Raskin motioned to issue a subpoena to Kushner—but Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, immediately moved to table the subpoena, which was seconded by Comer and other Republicans."

And your bullshit is about nothing, but you're an idiot troll with the IQ of room temperature and we come to expect nothing more out of a moron like you

so why should 'we' bother trolling me R216?

Do you we know if he enters or gets entered?

He gets entered more than more than Shailene R218

Did he enter Shailene? Was he attracted to her dick nose?

[quote]Q-and hobbies? A- I’m a left wing anarchist This is better than SNL

r189 Huh? I bet I make more money and have a better job than you. 🤣

^ Isn't it past your pass-out time?

I am a whore, and I would not fuck him.

r222 Lol. I don't drink. But I bet you're on your 5th one already.

^ You don't drink? And here I was giving you an excuse for your off-the-wall ideas and behavior. If this is all actually you than you're a bigger mess than most people think

more like her 19th R224

[quote]R166: What about being an anti-war activist don't you understand? I take no side in Russia v Ukraine. I'm neutral and anti-war and against American meddling and profits for the arms dealers at the expense of the Ukrainian people.

Yes, you take a very definite side - the side of Vladimir Putin. You parrot his talking points. And you studiously ignore the fact that Russia has attacked Ukraine and is attempting to absorb it (just as Hitler did with various European countries during WWII), and that Putin has made no secret that he has designs on other neighboring nations like Belarus and Poland. He is the aggressor, not Ukraine, and not the US.

Although menluvinguy/R143 did not tag you in his response, you really ought to read it.

𝐏.𝐒.: It is very poor form to try to make what you supposedly 𝑎𝑟𝑒 an argument (in this case, all the '𝐼 𝑎𝑚' statements - '𝐼 𝑎𝑚 an antiwar activist', '𝐼 𝑎𝑚 an anarcho-syndicalist', '𝐼 𝑎𝑚 a manufacturing manager', '𝐼 𝑎𝑚 a leftwing anarchist', etc). None of this can be demonstrated or proven, it does not validate your claims, and none of it has any business being put into play in an argument. Identity claims are among the least credible form of trolling (for example, "I'm an 88-year-old black man who marched with Martin Luther King Jr, and I proudly voted for Donald Trump!) Break yourself of the habit if you can. Make your points without appealing to who or what you are.

Also, your past statements/posting history 𝑎𝑟𝑒 germane to a discussion, and can be cited in response to things you're saying now. It's not something I've generally done in answering you over the years, but it can be by others. Be prepared to own what you've said, and if you recreationally troll, you might consider stopping it.

Absolutely correct @ r227. From Bannon's Maxist mouth to God's ears.

More Russian disinformation?

Yep, R229. A Youtube compilation of clips by media figures being characterized as liars by the uploader's own chyrons is simply propaganda, and isn't worth anyone's time.

Your video is a year old. The charges against Hunter Biden have since fallen apart. It went nowhere. Republicans who went down this rabbit hole have disgraced themselves. Their star witness, Alexander Smirnov, proved to be a liar, a perjurer, and a criminal.