Paranoid Old Fart MURDERS Innocent Uber Driver - He Blames Phone Scammers (and Probably The Blacks)

I hope they charge the assholes who pulled this scam. That poor woman and yes, that poor old man.

Honest mistake. Tragic and preventable. Senility or early onset dementia and guns is a disaster waiting to happen.

That poor lady. She was walking with a severe limp and did not appear to be a threat to anyone.

Angry Old White Man watches FOX News all day.

Sad story

R1 If you're getting scammed on the phone, you hang up the phone. If someone threatens a family member, you call the cops.

You don't dig out your Beaumont-Adams and murder the first person you see.

The victim's obituary. They chose a good photo.

She had a son, two sisters, and a big family of people who surely cared for her.

R6 aka OP, we're not privy to all that went down before the incident. Why don't you hold off judgement and wait until all of the facts are presented.

As others have stated, he's 81. He may have dementia.

R8 We're privy to the information in the police report, which was enough to file murder charges against the old man. And he has not (as yet) claimed diminished capacity. He pled not guilty.

Seniors do some fucked-up shit as they navigate the modern world, with or without dementia. They get taken in by gift card scammers. They drive erratically and dangerously. They fall for banking scams, medical scams, romance scams, and cable news. And in their confused state, they occasionally murder innocent people.

We need to stop being so deferential to seniors. We need to enforce the law, and protect both us and them from the ravages of senility. If they can't safely drive, take away their car keys. If they can't tell an Uber driver from a ruthless kidnapper, take away their guns. If they sign over their entire estate to a Guatemalan sex goddess posing as a nurse, take away their power of attorney. But seniors vote, so America is too afraid of them to speak up in situations like this.

R9, you were not privy to the conversations which took place between the old man and the scammers.

I suppose you won't be happy until you see the old guy fry.

It's a weird thing to defend R1.

The video makes it clear as day she posed zero threat. The woman could hardly move for chrissakes.

And even if he did think she was part of the ransom scam, why kill her? How would that help his supposedly kidnapped relatives? It wouldn't.

He killed an innocent person. Maybe it wasn't premeditated. Maybe it was because he just freaked out over a stressful day. But it's murder.

What kinda gun is that? Looks ancient, almost comical. Shame it did such damage regardless.

[quote] you were not privy to the conversations which took place between the old man and the scammers.

That’s irrelevant. There’s no excuse.

R11, I'll wait for the evidence to be presented. I think he has dementia.

R13, it's not irrelevant, it's the crux of the case.

[quote]it's not irrelevant, it's the crux of the case.

You don't get to personally execute people you deem guilty, is the crux of our legal system.

R12 Clearly, he got it for service during the Mexican War, and held onto it for just such an occasion as this.

The ghost of Zachary Taylor (fearless general in that war, and later president for a year until he died shitting his brains out in the White House) would be so proud!

[quote] and Probably The Blacks

Fuck off, troll.

how Roseanne Conner should have been killed off.

Ironyproof, Defacto at r17

Is that Tim Stack from Son Of The Beach in the OP's photo?

What the Hell happened to him?

[quote] He's being charged with murder, and will likely spend the rest of his life in prison.

Honestly, good. He’s a danger to society.

Trigger happy old white man stood his ground. NRA and GOP hero.

That old guy who shot and killed the younger guy in the movie theater … old guy had a trial and got convicted of murder.

Shit i am sorry. old fart in movie theater found not guilty. imo, that fucker was guilty. just listening to him speak during interrogation, he sounded very with-it.

The poor woman. That was awful. Why no arrest for the person who ordered this Uber? The news said that Uber cancelled their account for this. wtf.

R10 I won't. He should fry. He killed a defenseless old woman with a family.

I cannot believe a woman that age--who shuffles to move-- has to drive for Uber. Her children should be ashamed.**

**You're correct. I don't know her circumstances BUT we've seen it all before

R20 He dead.

R20 My bad. His career's dead. He's not

There is something especially sad when a person nearing retirement age gets gunned down while on the job. She was just trying to earn a living.

Someone that old and obviously lacking in common sense should not have a gun.

What’s “Uber package pickup”? I didn’t even know that was a real thing.

My husband has dementia. One of the first symptoms that led us to take him to a neuropsychologist was his being taken in by phone scammers. I came home one day to find he had just retired from Target, having purchased several thousand dollars of gift cards, whose serial numbers he had read to the phone scammer. The damage was done that time. Another time I came home to find him wrapping $3000 in cash in a box to mail to a scammer. He was always convinced they were legitimate. He had been a tenured Ivy League professor—dementia is equal opportunity. I immediately had access to bank accounts and credit cards limited to me, got him to stop answering the phone, and, after an incident in which he was stopped by the police for driving the wrong way down a one-way street at 2 in the morning (I was sleeping in a different part of the house that night and didn’t hear him leave), he lost his driver’s license. Dementia creeps up on you and being able to tell the difference between “normal” aging (some forgetfulness, etc) and serious cognitive decline is not always easy to tell. The incident is tragic, both for the poor woman and her family, but also for the man, who clearly seems to have dementia (whatever his legal plea) and who should not be on his own. I’m lucky in that I’m retired but much younger than my husband, so can devote myself to his caregiving and, barring some dramatic physical decline, will be able to keep him at home. The core @him” is still there, but, oh, what changes to our lives. Society doesn’t have very good options for people who don’t have family, spouses/partners, or friends. We fail as a community.

Geez, the OP is a seething with hate psychopath. The murderous old man might be able to claim dementia as his defense but the OP has nothing. He is literally calling for death for people he things are 'life unworthy of life'....like his brothers in 1930s Germany.

thinks

Tragic, and that photo is horrific.

[quote] What’s “Uber package pickup”? I didn’t even know that was a real thing.

I didn't know about either. It's called Uber Connect.

R32 oh honey. I hope you have a good support system in place. My thoughts go out to you.

R32, went through the same things with my mother. The driving the wrong way which resulted in us taking her license away. Then the phone scammers. She eventually went into Assisted Living and we took the phone away completely. She didn’t notice.

[quote] I hope they charge the assholes who pulled this scam

Theyre not in the US

I don't answer my phone if it's a number I don't know. Why do these these really elderly people always answer the phone? Is it landline thing? Almost every call I get is a number labeled "telemarketer" or "spam risk". Never answer. The other numbers are labeled "mom" and such. If it's unknown, leave a vm.

R40 Elderly people learned these things in an era where trust was more absolute and reliable.

It would never occur to them that someone would use the phone lines or the mails for a nefarious purpose. Surely the Better Business Bureau would forbid that!

It would never occur to them that a white man sitting behind a desk on television might actually LIE to them. Surely no liar ever gets on television!

[quote] I cannot believe a woman that age--who shuffles to move-- has to drive for Uber. Her children should be ashamed.**

She didn't look that old, IMO. Maybe her children couldn't afford to support her 100%, financially. I would not have been able to support my mom, financially, when she was that age.

This story makes me so sad and hopeless. That poor woman . I hate that man and these scammers should be put away for life.

Just the look on her face- It makes me just want to die.

Cruel world/ Fucked up times.

May she rest in peace and may the universe treat her kindly .

Very sad..I understand why the old man did this, right or wrong

r40 they answer the phone because they are lonely ...

In My Free State if a darkie so much as looks at ya property you can blow em straight ta Hell.

[quote] R1] If you're getting scammed on the phone, you hang up the phone. If someone threatens a family member, you call the cops. You don't dig out your Beaumont-Adams and murder the first person you see.

Isn’t that just common sense. Do we need to start delivering sage advice and taking away problematic things when delivering meals on wheels. Are old people going to be the undoing of society.

OP, everybody gets old, if they're lucky. You're lack of compassion for both parties here is what stands out as offside to me. Even if he doesn't have dementia, old people are highly vulnerable because they don't understand technology. He wouldn't have been able to surmise under any circumstance that this woman was not related to the situation. You sound very young. You will learn once you're faced with aging with members of your own family.

I literally have no sympathy for the Old Man. Millions of Americans are unfortunately walking around/ living every day with Dementia. The Difference? They don't HAVE ACCESS TO LOADED GUNS AND STILL HAVE GUN LICENSES.

WTF- we take people's driver's licenses away when they are a danger to themselves and others on the road, and if ANY person(s) had the responsibility was in any way "looking after" this man ( family/guardian/ spouse) they SHOULD have taken away his access to lethal weapons.

[quote] WTF- we take people's driver's licenses away when they are a danger to themselves and others on the road

I had a fender bender with an old person reversing out of his driveway. We both stopped, after the crash. His grandchildren (what they appeared to be) came out of the house and seemed totally not surprised.

Wow. Poor lady.

i won't feel safe in this country until every last person is open carrying an ak-47

R48 Age and infirmity are no excuse for violently murdering a stranger.

I have aging family members. Everyone does. But the loopy old buzzards in my family (who are also largely alcoholics and/or pill-heads) are wise enough not to keep loaded guns around the house. In true Protestant tradition, we rot indoors with the utmost discretion.

I agree with you overall r49, but that actually makes me sympathize with him more. In our stupid, fucked up gun nut culture, of course the last thing you can do to anybody anywhere for any reason is OMG "take his gun." That is the bigger problem here. If we lived in a saner country, yes, somebody would have decided this demented old fuck has no business having a gun. But not in fucked up gun nut culture. No how, no way, that's his most sacred right.

When the church gets all the seniors property we call it a donation. In Mexico the Schools get the property if there’s no other arrangements.

[quote] [R40] they answer the phone because they are lonely ...

Get a dog, or if that is too much work / too much responsibility, get a pet rock or a robo cat.

That poor woman. She certainly looked like a threatening criminal

[quote]She didn't look that old, IMO.

I agree. It said she was 61. That’s only a few years older than Jennifer Lopez.

She was fleeing him. He just kept advancing. I don’t doubt he was scared from these phone calls. It’s like Fox News came alive and was coming for him.

At some he chose to have a loaded weapon regardless of dementia. My family has a history of mental illness. I have no children and know as I age there is real possibility I won't be able to making good or safe decisions but as long as I decide I am fort to live alone then my actions are my responsibility. This means not keeping loaded guns in my home.

This man chose otherwise and he can now live with the consequences or drop dead. I don't give a fuck.

The maga in him demanded he kill a frightened black woman fleeing him. Him advancing on her shoes he felt dominance of the situation. He wasn’t frightened. He was angry.

*shows

Uber package pickup seems like a terrible idea. They should get rid of this.

R63 yeah .Amazon delivering packages at four or five in the.morning also seems like a r ally bad idea.

I can't feel compassion for him sorry. Pulling a gun on her, ok. Shooting her multiple times when she ran? No.

Uber Porch Pirate

[quote] At some he chose to have a loaded weapon regardless of dementia

The gun was old. He probably had it for 50 years. And when people get dementia they don’t say, “Hey, I’m demented now…I probably shouldn’t have a gun.”

[quote]And when people get dementia they don’t say, “Hey, I’m demented now…I probably shouldn’t have a gun.”

Their children or other family members should say so.

Cold blooded murder.

I just saw a report on Inside Edition. The reason she was limping was because he shot her in the leg. She was trying to reason with him by telling him she was there to pick up a package. He says "I know" thinking she was sent to retrieve the money and you could tell he was agitated. He then shot her in the shoulder and the third shot was the final blow. He then called the police and told them what he did.

R68–Assuming there is family around—and that’s not always the case.

[quote][R68]–Assuming there is family around—and that’s not always the case.

If there are family members around, and they are aware of these elderly people’s mental decline, and they don’t do anything to take away guns and take away driver’s licenses…then maybe we need to start looking at pressing charges. If they can prosecute those Crumbley parents for their child committing a school shooting, then maybe it’s time for prosecutors to start taking a harder look at cases like this.

R67 well like seeing to a will and all the other things you have to do as you age maybe that's something to consider. It's not like it was some antique he kept on a shelf it was fully loaded and in firing condition.

He'll lose every last dime he has plus his house on defense (both criminal and civil). I'll guess they'll use "Diminished Mental Capacity". Self-Defense is close to a non-starter. He'll get stuck in a state hospital for the rest of his life.

So, the scammers requested the package pickup, thereby putting the woman in jeopardy.

They scare the shit out of the old man by threatening his family and put the victim in the line of fire.

I wonder if the scammers were someone who knew the old man? How else would they know about him and his family?

Shouldn't Uber have information on who it was that requested the package pickup (and who paid for that service) as well as information as to where the package should be delivered?

There’s a lot we’re not being told.

Will Republicans make him into a hero like they did with Kyle Rittenhouse?

Sad story

[quote] The maga in him demanded he kill a frightened black woman fleeing him. Him advancing on her shoes he felt dominance of the situation. He wasn’t frightened. He was angry.

He also took away her phone and wouldn't let her leave.

That's not self-defense. That's an execution.

Did anyone watch the video at the bottom of the obituary link at R7?

It was heart breaking.

How devastating for her family.

This is exactly why we removed all of my grandfather's guns from his house. He has lewy body dementia. Once he started going on about getting "orders" from "The General" to "report" somewhere and calling 911 to tell them he'd been "shot by the enemy" we knew it was time.

Honestly, he needs to be in assistant living but, the VA has this thing about not covering veterans who happen to go cuckoo later in life unless it's due to a "service connection."

^ *assisted living

Sort of like car insurance companies having this thing about not paying for replacements if your house gets robbed.

Also, her poor son. I can't imagine what he's going through right now. I lost my dad, but something about your mom just hits different. And when it's sudden, violent, and on film? Holy shit. My heart goes out to him.

Her funeral service.

She was a beautiful human being. My heart breaks for her loved ones.

It’s Ohio, which is the Florida of the North.

What was the con here? If they had just called him, what was she supposed to have picked up? Whatever cash he had laying around? Maybe he agreed to that with the thought of pulling a gun when they arrived? That’s worse than getting flustered by the call and overreacting in a panic when someone shows up unexpectedly. Because he would have had time to call the police immediately after the call instead of being a vigilante.

That's what I don't get, R88. Why have two separate con games meet? It makes no sense on the part of the conman, unless they were attempting to have this outcome happen. It seems like someone who knew this man targeted him for a setup (knew he had a relative incarcerated, possibly that he had a weapon, maybe even his mental capacity).

R42 Dude, THAT'S why I added the asterisks.

It was based on what I've seen. I couldn't afford to take care of my mother after my father passed. So I moved back home and made some concessions. You do what you can BUT in many cases, it's lazy fucking children not doing anything.

usa is in a sorry state with all the guns and all the crazies. i blame a cynical refug government. distraction to cover the transfer of wealth

[quote] What was the con here?

I don't think it was a "con." I think it was a prank.

A very stupid, very deadly prank.

stupid old cunt

#BoomerArrognace

Horrible story. The prankster needs to be found and charged with involuntary manslaughter. Or something stronger.

R95, someone posted the scammers live in another country. Uber supposedly cancelled their accounts, well duh. They should be extradited, charged and tried.

[quote]#BoomerArrognace

81 years old is Silent Generation

I can book drug runners and getaway cars via uber and live in another country? Sweet!

I'm assuming "phone scammers" means Indians?

If the people who requested the Uber pickup lived in another country, exactly how was the package supposed to get to them?

WTF is Uber doing with such questionable actions.

Uber should have some liability for this whole debacle.

What r75 & r92 said. Possible scenario: this could have been set up by anyone he knew who held a grudge. Disgruntled neighbors, bitter family member. Of course there's no money or threat. The point was to fuck with this guy for their own satisfaction, to get back at him or something.

It’s possible the old guy partially fell for the prank/scam and told them he only had “several hundred” or “a few thousand” dollars in his home as a way of putting them off, or of buying time.

The perpetrators told him he’d better have that cash or else (!). Said they’d come get it, and we’re planning to have it dropped off at an accomplice’s home: someone who could deny ever contacting Uber or the guy.

If the cash arrived, the perpetrator and his distant “cousin” would split the loot. If cops showed up instead, the accomplice could say, there must be some kind of mistake; he has no idea why anyone would give Uber his address for a package delivery.

Uber is now cooperating with police, indicating they know who made the bogus request.

I feel so bad for her and her family. But my question is where the package scammers who tricked her and the phone scammers that harassed the idiot who killed her one in the same or in league with one another?

Reminds me of a tragic case where a teenager committed suicide because he was catfished and blackmailed by asshole scammers from Nigeria who have yet to be prosecuted.

I'm constantly getting scam calls from fake electric companies or Medicare offering plastic cards nonstop even though my phone number is up to date on the do not call registry.

They're clearly using a spoof program that constantly generates one time phone numbers falsely based in random virtually unknown small towns all over the country each time.

You people know that if you have a history of a phone number that anyone can look you up online, get your phone number, your age, find your old addresses and the names of people “associated with” you, aka your relatives. It’s not hard.

Besides, they don’t even need to know your relative’s name. A scammer called my mother and said, Grandma?” She automatically said, “Mike?” Scammer then said yeah it’s me, Mike. He said his voice sounded funny because his nose was broken. He’d been in a car accident. He was in Mexico because his friend decided to get married and they all went to Mexico. He got in an accident and the police were now holding him in jail. They beat him up. If she didn’t send $2,000 the police were going to beat him again. Please Grandma, please help me.

He also said, “Don’t tell anyone. This is our secret, ok? Keep it between us.”

He said to send the money via western union.

It’s possible this Uber driver was there to pick up the money and was instructed by scammer to take it to western Union and given an address where to send it.

Western Union now asks people (especially old people), “Do you know the person to whom who you’re sending the money?” because of scammers.

So the scammer — rather than letting the old man go to western Union and be questioned and possibly be tipped off it’s a scam — instead sends an Uber driver to pick up the money. Uber driver gets money, takes it to western union and is asked by western Union, “Do you know who the person you’re sending this money to?” Uber driver says “Hell no, I’m just doing my job. I don’t give a crap about who it’s going to.”

Or the scammer might have the driver pick up the “package” ….. the drive doesn’t know there’s money inside….the scammer has given an address to the driver to send the package.

I doubt the driver was going to take the package to the scammer. The scammers aren’t in the US.

He doesn’t look remorseful in that photo at R103. Is that a mugshot?

R105 - What happened with your mother (Mike's Grandma)?

[quote]I'm assuming "phone scammers" means Indians?

The scammer actually called back as the police were there investigating; the caller didn't sound Indian (not even an Indian putting on a bad American accent):

The flat tone makes me think speech to voice AI

Text to voice, I mean

Why would Western Union want to complete a transaction involving a clueless Uber driver?

I was thinking that too, r109.

R105 Thanks for the mansplaining but WE already know that.

[quote]. Why would Western Union want to complete a transaction involving a clueless Uber driver?

Why not? It’s their job to send money. An Uber driver comes in tells them to send the money to address XXX, hands over money…what’s the problem? That’s what Western Union does. Takes money, sends it for a price. If Uber driver pays the fee and hands over money, transaction is complete.

Here’s a video of an old woman who got scammed. She said “a courier” came and collected the money.

Has anyone determined if Yosemite Sam here had children or grandchildren who could’ve been babysitting him or cutting off his access to phones and bullets?

No media seems to be investigating this case any further

[quote] Thanks for the mansplaining

Not a man

I blame Alec Baldwin.

[quote] I blame Alec Baldwin.

Me too. Old man didn't know it was loaded and didn't pull the trigger! He was just practicing killing a black person.

[quote]R52: i won't feel safe in this country until every last person is open carrying an ak-47

𝐀𝐫𝐜𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐚 (𝟏𝟗𝟗𝟎), a short film. Set in the not too distant apocalyptic future, Earth is under invasion from computer/arcade aliens, tensions run high and teenagers still want to 'go out'.