Where Did It All Go Wrong for J.Lo?

where did it go wrong?? She has horrible taste in men but other than that I’d say she is doing great compared to most people

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From the article:

But J.Lo is a talented entertainer, undeniably, even as she struggles to narrow her ambitions in response to that pesky, inevitable question: talented at what, exactly?

She has ambition and discipline

She’s a talent-free attention whore OP.

she's like an EGOT but without any EGOT

She’s a chronic oversharer and the story is always the same. We’re all hoping that if we ignore her for a while it’ll stop.

Also, she pulled a real shockaroo with that green dress at the Academy Awards show a zillion years ago but now almost everybody does it and they tend to be younger than she is.

A friend of ours who works on a tech team that supports singers on tour throughout the world says it’s a tie for biggest bitch between JLo and Enrique Iglesias.

She's always been particularly empty, more interested in selling herself as a brand than in specializing in anything. Like a lot of divas, aging is very hard for her because she's relied so much on being pretty and sexy, and you can only do that for a part of your life before people are no longer interested in that because you've aged out of it.

Trying to sell her romance with Ben Affleck as an epic love story to be consumed by the masses was a stupid direction for her to travel in--everyone knows how damaged and unhappy he is. He's with her now as a life-raft, not because they're so ecstatically happy together, and everyone knows that. But I think she's surrounded by yes-men and yes-women who won't tell her how deluded she's been to pursue marketing this narrative.

[quote]Also, she pulled a real shockaroo with that green dress at the Academy Awards show a zillion years ago but now almost everybody does it and they tend to be younger than she is.

It was the 2000 Grammys,

Trey Parker wore a version of her dress for the 2000 Oscars one month later, while Matt Stone wore a knockup of Gwyneth Paltrow's pink gown she had worn when she won Best Actress the previous year for SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE and gave a weepy acceptance speech that was mocked/parodied afterward.

Parker and Stone were nominated for Best Song for "Blame Canada" from the SOUTH PARK movie but lost to Phil Collins' "You'll Be in My Heart" from Disney's TARZAN.

*knockoff, not knockup

I feel like she has been a gnat buzzing around my head for the past several decades. Time to wrap it up, doll.

It started going wrong for her the moment she let her ex boyfriend P. Diddy talk her into concealing a murder weapon.

She run out of options as an entertainer because she doesn’t have a lot of talent. And she does not have the personality to evolve into a media host of some kind.

Britney Spears, Janet Jackson and a few others have the same problem. Madonna does too but if she could get her act together I believe she could get back into the studio and make some more good pop music. Alas, she ‘s not doing that.

She can’t act her age. Running around in crop tops and spackling makeup on, singing pop songs. She could be a really beautiful older woman like her mother, but she’s determined to be seen as eternally youthful.

So, has the countdown started to when Ben says, “Fuck this. I’m outta here.”?

Nothing's wrong. She is in the news as 55 year old and people talk about her, including zoomers, regarding her involvement in the p diddy case. Remember Mariah Carey in 2016. Sold out European tour but how many people cared? No one. At the end of the year, she embarrassed herself at the new york eves party in NY and her career was ruined. Zoomers still won't care about her but they love seeing the scandals of J lo because for them she still is their childhood hero with the 2011 lalalalalala lambada song. J lo is currently doing everything right to stay relevant. The tour was planned that big so that articles can be written about low ticket sales as opposed to mariah's sweet fantasy tour where people sell it out but nobody mentions it. J LO WON!

Jlo doesn't seem to know how to pick a winner. For the first few years of her music career people have her hot songs because she could get the attention. Her 4th album has about 2 listenable songs on it.

She also appears to have said yes to any movie if the paycheck was right, after she made a fairly impressive debut in the likes of Selena, U-Turn, Out Of Sight and The Cell.

She's boring.

Stop the numerous j lo threads.

Having no talent.

I think it all went wrong for her when she thought she was going to get an Oscar nomination for Hustlers and when it didn't happen, she complained how she was always an outsider, she never felt welcome in Hollywood, she always had to fight to get anyplace, she's a Puerto Rican, blah blah.

Never could see she isn't an Oscar-caliber actress, and that movie wasn't Oscar worthy. Her ego over her Oscar snub, coupled with her desperate attempt to reach publicity hysteria with Bennifer 2.0 just shows how delusional she is.

Everyone can see it but her.

Now that Raquel is gone, maybe JLo can start hawking wigs...

I've told this before here on DL, but I worked with an older kid who was in the group that won one of the seasons of, "World of Dance". We were talking about her time on the show, and she told me apropos of nothing that, "Miss JLo is not nice". When a kid tell you that in a respectful manner, you know it's the truth.

She just can’t retire quietly into her “happiness” .

She’s been done for years. “Gigli” ruined her. She’s been skating by by doing other things but the Ben Affleck relationship ruined her.

She’s too old and people are sick of her. Happens to everyone. She could go away quietly instead of making a ridiculous media spectacle every minute of the day. She’s a punchline now.

She needs to be in a Vegas residency. Gen X would enjoy her hits.

Overexposed. She needs to back off, get out of the tabloids completely for 6 months. No awards shows, no nothing. She won’t, but that’s what she needs to do.

She's been an a-list star for nearly 30 years. She outlasted contemporaries like Cameron Diaz, salma Hayek, Catherine zeta Jones, Jennifer Connelly. Its been a very good run at the top of the heap and Shell be fine and she'll always be famous.

[quote]She needs to be in a Vegas residency. Gen X would enjoy her hits.

She’s already done that.

Because she's a Narcissistic succubus??

I recently met someone involved in the filming of a documentary of her back when she was married to Marc Anthony. He had to live in her house for several months on and off to film it. He was pretty circumspect in discussing the experience but said it was not fun. She was intense, controlling and scary. He wound up taking his name off the film because she change it so much in editing.

It's been a lifelong goal to run Boston but I'd never qualify. My marathon times are entirely too slow. But today reading about it, I discovered that they have a 5k. Now THAT I could do! Next year...

Fuckerface I love you

Fuckerface I need you

For all their documented dislike for each other, Madonna and JLo are alike in that they're both attention addicts.

And both should've brought the curtain down on their careers right after their super Bowl Half-Time Show.

And before anybody trots out the old ageism misogyny accusation against me, go ahead, but I don't want to see Mick Jagger prancing around on a stage either.

Whoever upthread noted that beautiful women have a hard time letting go is right.

She'll always be a DL icon for that famously bitchy Movieline interview she gave in the 90s.

What on earth does JLo have to do with any of those women, r30?

[quote]she's like an EGOT but without any EGOT

....but with plenty of EGO.

R9, the problem with your proposed argument is that she is not a diva. Divas are women who are very talented and have the ability to develop a very strong emotional bond with audiences thanks to their unique mystique. Jennifer Lopez cannot sing, is merely passable as an actress and dancer and has built a career on wiggling her cellulite - her talent places her on the lower end of mediocrity and her horrible personality doesn't endear her to anyone. Also, without makeup she isn't anything special. The truth is that she's incredibly lucky that she's enjoyed so much success over the years, because few people deserve it less.

R17, you're either one of her relatives or insane. Mariah doesn't need to increase her media presence because her tours are still selling out. Moreover, while her voice is a shadow of its former self, she can still control about two octaves of it and perform beautifully. Jennifer Lopez has to rely on scandals and baring her globs of lard in order to be in the media, which is something that true A-listers don't need to do. She is thankfully over and given how nasty she is, people are enjoying to watch how she's forced to eat a bit of humble pie.

She's Meghan Markle with a different route to the top via men, and certainly with more acting ability.

Singing, charisma, intelligence, honesty, decency, and such? Markle and Lo are down there together.

TikTok is full of people dissing her these days. In one she reportedly asked a wealthy friend how much she pays her Personal Assistant and she was shocked when the lady told her $95K/year. She said "They're worth about $55K.

R38 they were all actresses whose careers as leading ladies broke around the same time hers did. (Yes I know Connelly was around for a while, but holllywood didn't really start taking her seriously until the late 90s. ) And none of them command the same level of attention j-lo still does today. Of the actresses whose careers really kicked off in the late 90s the only ones to really sustain that level of fame are Angelina, Charlize and gwyneth. And gwyneth doesn't even really act anymore.

I'm not a jlo fan by any means but I think it's a little silly to say her career "went wrong" when she's had more success and longevity than 99% of the women she competed with at the start of her career

Overexposed. I’m barely on FB and any time I checked in there were immediately videos of her & her spouse.

Salma Hayek was working steadily until she snagged that billionaire and became a mother. I think she still produces tv and films.

JLo does have more star power than any of those other women mentioned. That still hasn’t prevented her from becoming the butt of many jokes.

She thinks she is Beyonce. She is not even Dula Peeps.

R45 no shame in that game for her! My point isn't to diminish the careers or life choices of Hayek or of any of those other women, only to make a point that j-lo has been able to stay very very famous for a very very long time. And generally speaking when an artist has been very famous for as long as she has they got a kind of permanent a list status. She won't ever slide into obscurity or be forgotten, like Joan collins or Sharon stone, the media will always toss her a pap shot, she'll always be welcome on the big red carpets etc.

She fatigues me. I think she's stretched her meager talents way farther than most people who fall off the radar.

She needs to take some time off so people (some people who like her, not me) can miss her.

Plus, she gives off major cunt vibes.

[quote] [R9], the problem with your proposed argument is that she is not a diva. Divas are women who are very talented and have the ability to develop a very strong emotional bond with audiences thanks to their unique mystique.

The problem with your definition is that you pulled it out of your ass.

I'm using this one, which I can actually source from the Merriam-Webster dictionary online:

[quote] 2: a usually glamorous and successful female performer or personality (see personality sense 4b)

[quote] especially : a popular female singer

Remember that interview she gave decades ago in Movieline ripping into the top actresses of the time?

You gotta hand it to her. Even though she is "mildly" talented JLo has, through hard work and self-discipline, managed to assemble a net worth of $400M, which when you consider that Christina Aguilera is worth $160M and Britney is only worth $60M is saying something. Not sure what but it's definitely saying something.

It says that JLO has discipline and those other tarts don’t R52. She never got into drugs or drinking and she never got fat. That counts for a lot.

Now she just needs to retire.

[quote] Where Did It All Go Wrong for J.Lo?

When I carried her to term.

I just scratched my taint

When she adopted the delusion of thinking she is more talented/interesting than she really is

She'll also endorse any product on the market. That's why she has all that money.

Everyone has a shelf life...unless perhaps if you go away for a while and then come back with something worthwhile.

But if you never leave the stage, before you know it, you'll be singing "Have I Stayed Too Long At The Fair?"

The infamous Movieline interview. Quite full of herself, even then.

She’s a glamorous, semi-entertaining cunt.

The other thing is her music career was orchestrated as a revenge plot against Mariah Carey by Tommy Mattola. He used Jennifer Lopez to sabotage Mariah, stealing samples and concepts and beating her to releasing them first.

But Mariah had the last laugh with the “Mimi” album. Aside from “Get Right” in 2006 (which was a lead) and “On The Floor” (through American Idol), she hasn’t had a hit and has had a hard time. Her last big moment in music was really 2002/2003 when she could do no wrong.

Beyonce also had a hand in ending her.

[quote]Beyonce also had a hand in ending her.

She did not. Beyoncé only sabotages other blacks.

Selenaaaaaa!!

She's not talent free but she has worn out her welcome in the public consciousness

She's developed quite the reputation as a diva cunt. I was shocked at the number of people saying shit about encounters with her. And I believe them bc they're all consistent.

JLo's Super Bowl Performance was a jaw-dropper.

Seriously, she looked and moved gloriously.

Karen - Fraus hated JLo during her SB show because all their men were staring at the TV, unable to peel away their eyes.

[quote] she never got fat

6” heels are very forgiving

“She walks in the room and she said, ‘Thank you so much, you guys have worked so hard. By a show of hands if there are any Virgos in the room, can you just raise your hand?’”

“She looked at them and she said, ‘Thank you so much for coming.’ And they had to leave after a full day of auditioning for Jennifer Lopez."

We need to see a cage fight between Megan Markle and JLo

R66 = JLo

The cracks have been showing ever since the Academy denied her a nomination for Hustlers. That was the big FUCK YOU.

I saw Hustlers, the Asian actress with the huge chip on her shoulders did the heavy lifting and the serious acting

When she turned down the chance to produce, direct, and star in granny porn……

Her eventual narcissistic collapse will be epic.

She came a cropper promoting a Greatest Hits tour and everyone was like, “What hits?”

She should’ve just played Vegas.

R74 lol it was originally a tour for her latest album but the ticket sales were, well, disappointing. That's when it was re-branded as Greatest Hits

What makes you think she was doing something "right"?

Did it really "all go wrong"? She's on a career and public downslide, but she had a pretty long, successful run in the industry - whether you personally like her music/acting/dancing/fashion or not. Though, beyond simple career decline, I guess being tied to P. Diddy and the terrible things he did is peak "going wrong." So the answer is simply her association with him.

Latinos discovered Cardi B and Karol G. She got old. Her fans got old. Just like anything yesterday's news, you become a joke if you still think what was hot in 2004 while work two decades later.

Rihanna is one who got it right. Left at her peak and after a scandal. Found a business outlet and became an entrepreneurial outlet to use her name and still make money.

And yes she gives off bitchy vibe.

I liked her restaurant in Pasadena…. madres I think it was called. She should open a new restaurant.

7 years ago she was still on top. This song has almost a billion views. I can't blame her for trying it again but now she just failed. It happens. Just like Madonna in 2015 with her devil album around the time she fell on stage at the BRIT awards.

She does have one of the best all-time Super Bowl halftime shows. Better than Madonna and Gaga for sure.

I don't think you can just turn off that level of burning white hot ambition.

She has A LOT of skeletons in her closet, she stole from a lot of people to cobble her pop music career together - including Mariah, that's why she "Doesn't know her."

We are in an age of Big Celebrity Reckoning. There is no beloved star that is safe. No star is too big to fall. If you've done anything dirty, it will come to light now. If you have any skeletons in the closet, they will be found. If you're in the closet, you will be outed. This is BIG game hunting, no small fries. That is why Angelina Jolie should chill with the divorce craziness, because no good will come by getting the attention of the Social Media big game hunters right now. Your career will be ruined and you will be dragged, because they are desperate to prove nothing is as it seems and looking for their next big target.

JLO is in their crosshairs now and they are praying the 1999 case will be reopened and that she'll be charged as an accessory to attempted murder.

JLo has travelled very far on very little. My hat is off to her.

Just to catch up...

Jlo has also been attacking Tiktokers trying to get their pages cancelled to silence them.

I’d say BenLo or whatever they were called the first time around was a bit much. The matching Rolls were a joke. She looked ridiculous driving it through crowds of paps. I think she’s mellowed a bit over the years, but now she’s not all that relevant. I think she could’ve been a solid actor had she trained and not tried to be a pop star and personality early on.

Latinos got bored of her and they were her foundation. She's a 50+ Latina in a young white woman's world. WTF did she expect?

When she ordered a "Ham and Cheese on a Roll, a bag a chips and an orange drink."

[quote]Rihanna is one who got it right. Left at her peak and after a scandal. Found a business outlet and became an entrepreneurial outlet to use her name and still make money.

Yes!

Never heard that tune from R80 but it's catchy with a soft-pedaled comic message and she looks great. You can see why millions of girls (and gay boys) idolize this woman still. Not on GaGa level but she's still sitting real pretty. JLo knows she's s diva bitch but so is Madonna and look where it got her.

I will never understand people who actually ENJOY J Lo's music. At least Britney is nice. J Lo is notoriously a bitch.

Britney isn’t very nice anymore. She thinks her shit doesn’t stink.

My grandmother and I used to enjoy her on Hotel Malibu.

JLo gets no love from her music industry peers because of the role she played in stealing songs meant for Mariah, Ashanti, and Amerie.

[quote] She does have one of the best all-time Super Bowl halftime shows. Better than Madonna and Gaga for sure.

It was great because of Shakira. If J Lo was removed, it would have been superior.

R87, there was a Rihanna scandal? I don't even remember. She was wise to leave on a high note (unlike Madonna). Anti streams more than any of Beyonce's albums.

[quote]I’d say BenLo or whatever they were called the first time around was a bit much.

Bennifer

That was when the media began referring to celebrity couples by portmanteaus.

After Bennifer split up in 2004, they were eclipsed the following year by Brangelina, who were a more impressive couple/combo.

R93 in the late 2000s, Rihanna was involved with singer Chris Brown, who was abusive. One time, he beat her up really bad and he ended up getting arrested. Of course, it made headlines and his career never recovered. I think Rihanna got criticism for not dumping him immediately.

^ He was the bigger star at the time and people were shocked by the photos of her face. He was slated to be the next Michael Jackson.

She attacked TikTok's favorite gossip as that woman was battling colon cancer and recently died. I've enjoyed JLo for her looks and some of her music, but enough is enough with that cunt. I'm done with her ass.

r13 her career took off. Say what you want about Diddy but Jlo, Usher, and Justin Bieber letting Diddy fuck them lead them down the path towards millions in the bank and sun kissed SoCal mansions. Diddy's not even ugly so there were much worst creatures to fuck and suck to get ahead.

Oh no a TikTok gossip was attacked!!! How will the world recover R97?

R95, I don't think Rihanna had too much controversy from that though, 99% of it was due to Chris Brown. Which makes sense since he was the abuser. And he continued to do that to other women.

Yes r51, DL brings it up in every Jlo thread. Why the hell wouldn't we be able to remember something that's been brought up 10,000 times already?

r66 no, the one people couldn't take their eyes off of was Shakira. Next to Shakira, JLo looked 2nd rate. Shakira brought sex appeal without ramping the camera into her crotch, as JLo did.

Shakira is definitely more talented but she’s not above grinding her crotch or ass in audiences’ faces to get views. See her She Wolf video

Shakira always sings playback. I have never heard her live. J lo at least tried to improve her voice over the years. They are on the same level of talent which means they are famous solely for looking young while already being old.

JLo’s problem is she is what they might call a “nothing burger”. She was famous for her ass and not much else. I couldn’t name a single song of hers.

R103, the difference is Shakira can sing, write songs, perform, do different genres, etc. None of which J Lo does.

R106 I acknowledged she’s talented so what’s your point?

She still isn’t above acting like a hooker in heat, despite her talents.

J-Lo should try to be the replacement for Nicole Scherzinger when she eventually leaves the B’way production of Sunset BLVD.

Yeah, what Shakira calls dancing, most women consider a gynaecological exam.

Nothing's wrong with being fifty...

Unless you're acting twenty!

[quote] I don't think Rihanna had too much controversy from that though, 99% of it was due to Chris Brown.

She's had quite a few little scandalettes, like getting kicked off instagram for titty baring. Her lingerie company was sued by Santa Clara County for deceiving customers by signing them up for VIP services without letting them know they would be charged automatically every year. She got into trouble using lyrics deemed to be the spoken words of Muhammad, fatwa-worthy, for which she apologized. No worries. Rihanna's net worth is over $1.4B.

[quote]J-Lo should try to be the replacement for Nicole Scherzinger

Speaking of low-rent hookers…

Rihanna had the advantage of never really loving being a famous pop star. She plays the game as much as she has to, of course, but she considers herself lucky just to have escaped Barbados and gotten rich.

Rihanna is lazy as fuck.

Some of those still images of a make-up-free JLo in R65 show the inevitable is finally happening:

She’s becoming a pear-shaped, fat-faced old Latina. It was eventually bound to happen - it’s her genetic destiny - but, post-menopause, the transformation has indeed accelerated.

You can almost smell the mothballs, plantains and stale White Diamonds as she bellows across the kitchen with bitterness and hostility toward all who dare get near her. You can feel the terror of any child - or adult - who dares get in her way.

All that’s left are the hairy moles, shriveled lips and sideburns requiring a weekly wax.

Abuela Jlo. The fat old lady everyone dreads. Couldn’t happen to a bigger Cluster B cunt.

[quote]You can almost smell the mothballs, plantains and stale White Diamonds as she bellows across the kitchen with bitterness and hostility

I only wear Glow by J.Lo you dumb fucking cunt.

[quote] J lo at least tried to improve her voice over the years.

No, she didn't.

R111, I didn't know any of that. But I DO remember that, allegedly, one of her former boyfriends from the Middle East had connections to ISIS. I'm surprised that wasn't talked about more.

"Desperation!" eau de parfum for post-menopausal pop stars.

Rihanna is, by far, the richest pop star on the planet at $1.7B, followed by Taylor Swift, soon to be a billionaire but standing at $900M, followed by Lady Madonna at $850M, Celine Dion at $800M, followed by Dolly Parton at $650M; Beyonce at $600M; Gloria Estefan with $500M; and Victoria Beckham with $450M.

JLo is tied with Barbara Streisand at $400M which must really piss Babs off.

R115 you made me laugh but I don’t understand why people think she’s going to look bad. She’s in her 50s and she still looks okay, she looks a lot like her mother who also looks ok for a 70 something year old woman.

Then again, her mom doesn’t dress like a 20 year old and pile on makeup like Coco the Caramel Clown.

Rihanna is lazy. LOL. She's an example of what every pop artist should aspire to do - strike while the cauldron's hot and then grow your brand through several channels.

She's not trying the same old stunts two decades later, unlike J-Lo who is trying to make Bennifer happen again and constantly calls paparazzi to cover her. J-Lo arriving at brunch and the gym came up on my Instagram feed today and the comments were even more brutal than here.

The Latina pear thing though - ouch! She's at least managed to push it off given her re$$$ources. Most Latinas get there by 30.

I disagree with everyone about the Super Bowel Performance. The bitch JLo even made sure Shakira stayed in flats the entire performance to dim her light. JLo was amazing during her piece and when she appears with the Puerto Rican flag it's a perfect moment.

You may not be the biggest JLo fan, I am not the biggest. But I am not a hater, either. There is no way you can tell me Shakira outshines her in this performance. I feel like I wandered into a Disney parade celebrating exotic Colombian culture watching Shakira down to the pan flute music. Then the real entertainer comes on. It was probably by design. She even put Shakira on backup drums. And Shakira actually does more bumping, grinding and gyrating than JLo. It looks like she is performing a fertility ritual. Shakira is a singer who can dance, JLo is a dancer who who can lip-synch to intricate choreography. You can see the difference.

[quote]She's like an EGOT but without any EGOT.

She does have plenty of MTV and Billboard awards and she was recognized by the Los Angeles Film Critics Association for Best Supporting Actress for Hustlers. Better than most I’d say.

[quote]And she does not have the personality to evolve into a media host of some kind.

Disagree. Didn’t she judge one of the TV singing competitions?

[quote]It started going wrong for her the moment she let her ex boyfriend P. Diddy talk her into concealing a murder weapon.

Yeah, well, that may come back to bite her ass now.

[quote]…she’s determined to be seen as eternally youthful.

In many ways, she is. She looks great, and you’ll note that she doesn’t wear the quite so daring outfits she used to. In fact, lately she’s dressed quite tastefully.

R124 = Ben Affleck, trying to rationalize his latest horrible decision.

The thing with Rihanna is that she doesn't seem to be as hungry as JLo or Madonna to be famous, have platinum records, or be eternally sexy or youthful. She just is.

r124 I saw this ad at a bus stop today:

[quote]I saw this ad at a bus stop today.

Not even the gale-force winds of 100 wind machines can cloak those ever-expanding, bell-shaped hips.

She needs to start gearing up for early-AM laps around the mall in her Fila track suit.

J.Lo look super thick in the hips, ass, and thighs next to Shakira.

R23 best comment of the day.

Wait how is Rihanna so much richer than everyone else? I don't pay much attention to her -- did she hook herself to a big business idea or something? It can't be just from music

R130 From lingerie, skincare, and makeup.

Internet, r130. You are typing on it now!

R130, where have you been?

The public is realizing that she’s a no-talent assclown.

And what exactly does she work so hard AT?

I'm laughing at the face that she pumped like 20 million dollars of her own money into that failed money. What an idiot.

A face that failed money? English please.

She can’t even satisfy her mans!

mans? da fuck is going on in this thread?

[quote] And what exactly does she work so hard AT?

Performances this legendary don’t just happen.

JLO sure has a lot of energy when dancing but has anyone noticed how aggressive she moves? Like a linebacker doing ballet. She also always seems to have that stank face plastered on as well.

Oh r139 that gave me the giggles 🤭.

Here’s a big fart 💨

She lost me when she "dated" that creepy obviously gay Casper

I thought she married that one?

I’m here for the Schaedenfreude.

She's a granny and needs to grow up.

Classic JLo!

Her 'This is me" project is the first time she's actually created something that was born of her own creativity, and suffice it to say, it's only proven how little artistic vision of her own she actually has. Everything else she's done in her career was written, designed, produced, directed, even performed by other, far more talented, capable artists. I think she unfortunately got the idea that if her knucklehead, loser husband can call himself a filmmaker, there's no reason why someone as hardworking and ambitious as her couldn't, but boy was she wrong.

I think she'll bounce back from this though. Honestly, JLo is like teflon. She's walked away unscathed from worse—that movieline interview, Diddy, stolen vocals and songs, Gigli, Bennifer 1.0 and countless other romantic humiliations, hosting American Idol (which is only a step up from Dancing with the Stars), olive oilgate, and so much more.

She'll always be able to put asses in seats as an actress. Hopefully this fiasco will force her to prioritize acting, which could easily be her greatest strength if she'd just focus on her craft and put her vanity aside in terms of the projects and roles she accepts.

Well, I guess it’s back to the bodega counter for me…

She reminds me of Madeline Ashton in Death Becomes Her. And Ben Affleck is Ernest Menville.

151 who's Helen Sharp? 😂

[quote]The thing with Rihanna is that she doesn't seem to be as hungry as JLo or Madonna to be famous, have platinum records, or be eternally sexy or youthful. She just is.

I think Rihanna will be one of those superrich celebs of her rime who will be forgotten about after her death.

She's not leaving behind much of a legacy.

Her stripped down, lethargic Super Bowl performance a year or so back was very dull and not rewatchable.

And her personal life isn't that interesting.

Only self-absorbed idiots are worried about a legacy. We all just have one life. Just focus on enjoying the one you have. it's dumb to worry about what people will say after you're dead, people who are going to die themselves.

R154 That's why my goal still is it to become famous so that I can have sex with Ben Affleck.

[quote] I think Rihanna will be one of those superrich celebs of her rime who will be forgotten about after her death.

I'm not sure about that. She hasn't released any new music in almost 10 years and her albums completely outstream Beyonce's output.

Rihanna, in my estimation, leads as close to a perfect life as possible.

No, money doesn't shield you from the daily and, at times, extraordinary pain and sorrow of life, Every human being experiences those two things.

But, if I had a billion dollars, isn't whether I'm "lazy" irrelevant? Who cares about a "legacy"?

Apparently, Rihanna is using her life to live it exactly as she wants to; Fuck You money, indeed.

Rihanna is seen as being “cool” in a way that none of the other girls are and was able to leverage that into emancipation . Eat your heart out Mimi.

Regarding Rihanna's streams, Good Girl Gone Bad and Anti get more streams daily than Renaissance and Dangerously in Love combined! Rihanna has 3 albums with more than 2 million streams daily and 2 with more than 3 million. Beyonce only has one album that performs that well and it's obviously her new album due to hype. It will decline tremendously within a year.

Rihanna was on Graham Norton a while back with Cate Blanchette, Sandra Bullock, Sarah Paulson, and Helena Bonham Carter. These superstars practically got down on their knees and genuflected to her.

At 16:45 Rihanna burns Helena on the way she is dressed, and the crowd goes wild.

R159 Beyonce's new country album is already being outstreamed by Ariana Grande and some other rapper's album. Already down to 13 million daily streams despite 27 tracks and its only been out for around 3 weeks.

Beyonce is nothing without media hype

R161, yes, that's true, I forgot about Ariana's new album. Jesus, the way people go on about Beyonce, you'd think she was as popular as Taylor or Madonna.

Beyonce toils at creating these self-important concept albums that very few people outside of the US care about. Rihanna carves out 20 minutes in her schedule to lay down vocals to songs like "We Found Love" and creates the kind of effortless pop magic that the whole world loses their shit over. She's a true global superstar.

R163, that is so true. Beyonce's first concept album, the self-titled album, was great, but her albums got more pretentious as time past. And the album covers for Renaissance and Cowboy Carter are dumb.

R160, I remember that. Rihanna has diva rep like J Lo, but unlike her, Rihanna can come off as relaxed and fun in the right setting.

I do remember a Camille Paglia article from a while ago on how Beyonce tries so hard to be sexy while Rihanna IS sexy. Rihanna doesn't try. And that's they key to her appeal.

R163 Rihanna sounds like a mosquito.

R167 is Beyonce, mad that Rihanna had sex with Jay Z.

Ri is not much of a singer, but she’s pretty as hell. She gives off serious Caribbean sex appeal.

R164 All her albums are clear Grammy-bait but have very little replay value. Every time she drops an album, the media goes on and on about how its an "instant classic" and a masterpiece but the streams show that it ends up being forgotten by the end of the year.

Apparently she takes huge publishing cuts from her writing camps (she makes them sign NDAs) therefore I don't think songwriters give her their best material.

[quote] She'll always be able to put asses in seats as an actress. Hopefully this fiasco will force her to prioritize acting, which could easily be her greatest strength

Is this a joke? JLo ‘s resume consists primarily of bad wedding romcoms where no one laughs. Last year, she had two wedding romcoms that went straight to streaming. The only seat with an ass in it is a La-Z-Boy in someone’s living room who’s too bored to search for anything decent.

She’s had more bad wedding movies than actual bad weddings, which is saying something.

The reality is now that’s she’s pushing 60 and her Latina pear body becomes more prominent, pretending she’s a betrothed 35-year-old is going to require a science fiction tag on these “films.” 🍐

[quote]Rihanna is seen as being “cool” in a way that none of the other girls are and was able to leverage that into emancipation . Eat your heart out Mimi.

Rihanna is seen as being cool because she quit while she was on top. She hasn’t continued past her prime to put out mediocre crap and look ridiculous like Madonna and JLo have done.

r153, she was very pregnant- what do you want her to do , elaborate dancing routines?

I don't think Rihanna is sexy int he Graham Norton clip. She looks like the alien that comes out of the stomach in the Alien movie. She a stealer like J Low.

R172 Madonna is doing fine. The Celebration Tour has been an unqualified commercial and critical success, exceeding expectations of those who feared she went off the deep end. She's about to play in Rio to one of the largest concert audiences ever assembled. Yeah, she's been a polarizing cunt on many occasion, but she's also had collaborators from every phase of her 40-year career attend this tour to show support. J.Lo can't even sell out Orlando with tickets going for $55, and her only celebrity friend is Leah Remini.

Rihanna not beautiful? Come again?

Madonna is doing fine with touring because of her diehard fans who will always "stan" her no matter what she does (I even read some comments upvoted by hundreds of people on the Madonna reddit forum claiming that it was the FANS who were rude for expecting her to show up on time to her concerts since they should "know better"!). But her catalogue does poorly for someone who was the second biggest star of all time. Her biggest hits should be doing much better. Material Girl and Like a Virgin have a combine 600-700 million streams. To put that into perspective, I Wanna Dance with Somebody has over 1 billion streams and Time after Time plus Girls Just Wanna Have Fun have almost 2 billion combined. And that's just embarrassing since Cyndi was considered the butt of all "whatever happened to this 80s star?" jokes and Madonna was the one who lasted.

Hahahaha I get it know. She was told to do this big comeback. They knew it would fail but they told her to do it anyway. Pairing up with Ben, the new tour/album being invited on SNL, being filmed sitting in the audience of the vmas (or was it grammys?). The goal was it for her to be seen by everyone. From gen Z to the silent generation because now all eyes will be on the Diddy case and how she will sit in court too as an accomplice for murder. So funny!

[quote]She was told to do this big comeback. They knew it would fail but they told her to do it anyway.

I think it's the opposite. They told her not to do it, but she insisted. She had to fund some of it herself because everyone knew it would fail.

Nobody was asking for new J.Ho music in 2024.

As a rule entertainers are narcissists, but she’s so extraordinarily ultra…I laugh at her 😃😀😃😀😃

R171 She might make primarily low value/low IQ rom coms, but on the whole, people watch them. Even that godawful 'Marry Me' made over 50 million, which sounds paltry but is VERY good for a rom com in 2022 that only had a streaming release (and was more than double its budget). It also stayed at #1 on Amazon Prime for over two weeks. The even worse, 'Second Act', made over 72 million against a 16 million budget in 2018. These are the two worst/lowest effort rom coms she's ever made and they still made money in a time when no one is watching roms coms anymore.

Like I said, she still puts asses in seats. They may be fat frau asses, but they still make studios money. If she started regularly signing on to projects like Hustlers and Shades of Blue that actually flexed her acting chops and weren't obviously written by AI like the above mentioned, she'd actually get back to being considered a respectable actress.

JLo’s acting comeback will be the role of Mildred Banea, Arnold’s Guatemalean housekeeper-lover in the inevitable Schwarzenegger biopic.

A slutty, pear-shaped, Hollywood homewrecker is the role she was born to play.

The perfect acting project for JLo right now that would almost guarantee a comeback would be some kind of Apple+ campy black comedy/horror series or a VERY well-written gritty 1970's or 1980's period drama series where she'd play the antihero drug kingpin or madame or something. She should lean into the diva/cunt/villainess roles.

She should retire.

She just might succeed in Kiss of the Spider Woman and have the last laugh.

[quote] She should lean into the diva/cunt/villainess roles.

This sounds right up your alley.

Rihanna wins this thread. Ultimately Rihanna (and Taylor Swift) will stand the test of time because they are good girls. No drama, no scandals, etc. When drama and scandals found them, they handled them with discretion and tact.

Compare that to JLo who is obviously a cutthroat bitch who'll do whatever it takes to stay in the limelight, including stealing husbands and jumping into relationships of convenience, Sorry, but even in 2024, people want to see old cunts go down. Fierce (and forgivable) when you're young and hot, but the brunt of jokes when you're over 50 and pear-shaped.

So, it went wrong for JLo from the start. At least from a "why isn't she relevant at 50+ as her 30somethig self" perspective.

R188 Whose husband did JLo steal?

R189 You can ask Marc Anthony's ex and their children...

Which is another thing JLo did wrong. Getting tangled up with the sleazeball. She's literally one-step up from the hot mess that Mariah Carey is, but at least Mariah owns it.

JLo swears she's British novelty but "humble" because of her Bronx roots.

I find it funny that when Jennifer Lopez was announced as the person who would play Selena, some people were offended by the fact a Puerto Rican was chosen (instead of a Mexican) but I don't recall hearing ANYONE mention how offensive it was to have a non-singer playing a singer.

"British novelty", hmmmm.

R126: yeah Rihanna was on course to equal and then overtake Mariah for the solo artist with the most billboard #1 singles and to do it more quickly than Mariah did. If she cared about stats or a ‘legacy’ she’d have kept churning out songs and done it. She still might but she clearly doesn’t care. Good on her.

She is easy to pick on because she is very sincere about wanting success and popularity and people are jumping on a hate bandwagon. The public loves to punish any celebrity who openly wants to be loved.

People view the desire for success and popularity from women as weakness, especially when it is wrapped up their sex appeal. There is nothing more attackable than an older woman relying on her fading looks. Gay men relying on them are next in line.

I have a different take on the Superbowl show, r123. JLo needed smoke, mirrors, flashing lights, costumes changes and 20 hot background dancers just to share the stage with Shakira. She needs a huge amount of extra help just to be entertaining. That's why they put her on after Shakira. I watched that performance and I saw an average person who needed to be propped up by a bunch of bullshit.

R152 Jennifer Garner can be Helen Sharp.

She strikes me as someone who wants to envied, not loved

R194 = Ellen DeGeneres

[quote] She strikes me as someone who wants to envied, not loved

Correct. Narcissistic Personality Disorder personified.

She’s a vapid, empty hole that can never be filled.

Couple that with her lack of talent - and the ravages of time - it’s a recipe for horror for those in close proximity.

Nobody's watching some documentary about the latest failing relationship from some heifer who's been married seven times.

R139, that is fucking awesome.

Apparently South Park targeted her for being so mean. After the episode aired, crew members on different sets would whisper "taco flavoured kisses" so she could just faintly hear them, but not be able to tell who was mocking her. True to form, she would either get them all fired or try very hard to.

Not a JLo fan, but if if any of us looked like her, we'd wear this dress, too.

[quote]She needs a huge amount of extra help just to be entertaining. That's why they put her on after Shakira. I watched that performance and I saw an average person who needed to be propped up by a bunch of bullshit.

R196 did you not see the 3,000 dancers behind Shakira? She had more backup dancers than JLo to heighten her choreography - in flat boots no less. Jlo might as well have thrown potatoes at her feet, for that mash potato stomping choreography. And when Shakira was alone, she was boring. Dancing with a rope? You may try to spin it so that Shakira comes out better than JLo - as we might all have the impulse to do, just because we like Shakira more than JLo. But in this instance, it's just simply not the case. Shakira just wasn't as entertaining as JLo. Unless you have the talent of Prince, which very few if any do, people want spectacle when it comes to a Super Bowl halftime show. And that's what JLo gave, a spectacle.

JLO sucks.

At the super bowl performance you literally have JLo coming out doing the salsa in slinky stilettos like a quintessential Solid Gold dancer while Shakira is doing the mash potato in bedazzled Reeboks like she's at some cultural festival.

But I will give Shakira this when it comes to her talent as a singer, songwriter and performer - her career doesn't have the trajectory of someone who had to claw her way up through a barrel full of horny uncles just to get to the top. Performers like Jlo, Rihanna and even Beyonce were passed around at the beginning of their careers just to secure the production of their music. There are blind items that Beyonce was basically sold to JayZ at the start of her career when they began dating when she was 15 years old. Of course there is the rumor that the same pretty much happened to Rihanna. And their are blind items that point to the fact that after her Chris Brown scandal, they both hid out in Diddy's Miami mansion to avoid the press and some weirdness happened their that made Rihanna ONLY want to appear with Diddy in public and never put herself in a private situation with him again. And JLo dated Diddy at the genesis of her career. And we all know now what Diddy makes his women do, especially being the bigger star at that point. They say there are videos of JLo floating out there somewhere. Maybe the feds have it now.

Um, what does Diddy make his women do, r206?

Is he also into kids?

Exactly what is he into?

Frankly if someone put a gun to my head and made me choose between sitting through a JLo concert or a Shakira concert I'd take JLo, no contest. I can always appreciate and smile about the chutzpah and smoke and mirrors.

I was agog at this over top treacle on SNL. Risible but well done in some aspects. Respect for the hustle.

R207 Diddy is pretty much gay. He would make his women participate in what he called "freak-offs" where he would watch them with other men (escorts or other industry producers), usually film them and then join in. This usually involved a lot of drugs. It's what he made his girlfriend Cassie, who he met when she was 19 years old, do for about a decade. He physically abused her and she had to be constantly ready for when he would want to have a freak-off going so far as to making her hire the escorts that would fuck her in front of them - for the promise of a career. He sat on her album for years, never releasing it, holding it as a carrot over her head until she was finally able to break free. She recently sued him and settled for countless millions of dollars rumored to be in the high eight figures. And her suit is part of the recent federal raid against Diddy for possible sex, drug and gun trafficking charges. There were several celebrities and high up industry professionals involved in his freak-offs and unbeknownst to them, filmed, some with underage victims.

As far as men, it is rumored this is they way Usher and Justin Beiber got their start. Lil Bowow was passed around too. It's actually more than just a rumor now. Diddy sexually abused both of them when they were underage. Usher and Diddy both sexually abused Justin Beiber. The ones who played along got major recording careers. The ones who didn't want to play anymore were blacklisted and destroyed like Orlando Brown who speaks on it a lot OR just mysteriously killed or almost killed. Singer Al B. Sure, whose son DIddy adopted, allued to the fact that Diddy played a role in his 2022 coma. Even Jamie Foxx (who was always at Diddy's parties) hinted at the fact that Diddy was behind is recent "medical scare." And most recently you have Fonzworth Bently (Diddy's manservant and aspiring record producer) and Bryshere Gray from Empire fame who had a promising music career from his debut album then he just disappeared from Hollywood. There is a music producer, Lil' Rod now who is also suiing Diddy from drugging and raping him, who is a part of the current federal investigation. Lil' Rod was hired to document Diddy's life but he recorded EVERYTHING. Both he and Cassie are cooperating with the feds now and have tesitifed before a Grand Jury in the southern district of NY against Diddy in preparation for the charges that will soon be brought against him.

So a leopard doesn't change its spots. So I am sure JLo is familiar with what DIddy requires, even carrying weapons for him as she was doing on the 1999 club shooting which might lead to her being shown as accessory in attempted murder and brought up on charges of lying to a Grand Jury.

Thanks, r209.

How have the revelations about Diddy impacted upon the careers of Usher and Beiber?

R209, Jamie Foxx is bi/gay too. Howard Stern said it bluntly on his show a few years ago.

R208, you would rather see someone cosplaying as a singer instead of an actual talent?

Being able to Entertain IS a talent r213. So yes. They are both capable of it. But JLo is more entertaining.

When the inevitable divorce comes, I think Ben will be the first to file for it.

R212, with the recent Diddy revelations, there are a lot of rappers, singers who are now now known to be gay. I find it amazing, and a bit comforting that these revelations aren't salacious front page news. It's more like "and, so what...?" But Jamie Foxx yes. Clive Davis, Rick Ross, DJ Khalid, Usher. Oh, and Kris Kardashine's boyfriend. I forget his name. I don't think Justin Beiber is gay, I think he was sexually abused. That's why many of these young stars go off the rails dealing with the trauma, like he did.

r211 this is all very very recent. It all started back in December with Cassie's 60 page lawsuit, which came with a "Trigger Warning" before reading and for which Diddy settled within a matter of 24 hours. So there is no telling the affect it will have on the careers that they Usher and Beiber might have left. BUT most of the stars, all of whom partied wtih Diddy, are remaining very very quiet now to see if their names pop up, if the feds contact them to question them. They have no idea what is on the treasure trove of videos the Feds confiscated from Diddy's two homes in Miami and LA. Even Amy Schumer (who was present on a yacht the weekend Justin, DIddy's son sexually assaulted a crew memeber) is wrapped up in the mess, all types of celebs you wouldn't even imagine. Supposedly even Diddy would fuck all the girls his boys had a crush on and then pass them off to his sons. Diddy made Cassie fuck his sons. And it's rumored his adopted son is gay and participated in the Freak-Offs with Diddy. So on top of all of it Diddy has an incest/under age thing going on. His kids must be so fucked up.

It is rumored that JLo is helping Diddy with some of his legal fees. And this is the main reason she was attempting to get TikTok accounts shut down and bullied, (so no one would talk about 1999 and her involvement), which was behind the death of that recent TikToker and her cancer battle she lost.

I think the Feds have been after Diddy for a long, long time for all of the sex, drug and gun trafficking they might have against him. His private jet would often fly between the Caribbean and the States without him on it, even though he was on the manifest. A lot of times to Belize, where the man who took the fall for the 1999 shooting, Shyne is some political representative now. So they feel he was moving guns, drugs and trafficking men and woman this way.

^ Oh and Cuba Gooding Jr. who was mentioned for sexual harrasment in Lil' Rods case. He says he was on Diddy's yacht and Diddy told Cuba he is down for whatever and left them in a room together. Lil' Rod has to physically push Cuba off of him.

As they say, Violent Delights have Violent Ends.

Neither she nor Ben have the careers anymore to support the A-list celebrity image & lifestyle that they so desperately crave.

She’s still trying to push her 1990’s diva persona, which people are sick of by now. She has no redeeming qualities. She could be doing charitable work, but doesn’t. She could go to the grocery or drug store without an entourage or hair & makeup session in advance, but it’s always an event.

There are very few people who evoke a ‘yuck’ reaction from me. But she is certainly one of them.

I think what's so funny with all of this is that it wasn't like a down time for JLo. In the exact moment she was ramping up on her "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me" again tour of blindingly false charm, massive over exposure and grit - I Here!, the world slammed the door in her face.

She’s paying off people left and right to be quiet about the Diddy story, so there must be some truth to the allegations that she was the gun mule and she lied to the Grand Jury.

R220, of course it's true. And Diddy shot that poor woman in the face. I'm glad she posts on tik tok for the world to see what a POS he is. And J Lo.

R206 Oh yeah lotsa evil stuff about these celebs. There is a epstein bodyguard story in this video starting at 4:50 and Rihanna is mentioned at 17:08 but censored. I remember seeing this story posted as a screenshot and her name wasn't censored....

R216 Honey u naive. They be hidin the fact that theze rappers are gayz. That why they ain't on the front pages. Not becuz it's normalized LOL. If it rly was normalized, Chris Evans would be out as bi and wouldn't have faked a marriage SMH...

That's true, these rappers are some of the most homophobic people around, most likely because they are bi/gay themselves and just don't want to be associated with the "gay" label.

R223, I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that they have been talking about these rappers being gay for months now. They were hiding before then, but they have been talked about as being gay for some good time now and it hasn't made as big a splash in the media as you would think. I mean they even have a sound recording of Diddy fucking Meek Mill and it hasn't made any headlines. It was all an open secret in the industry. Now it's just open. And pretty much crickets - which again shows it's not as big of a deal as it used to be. Kids now are saying "No Diddy" instead of "No Homo." You just have 50 Cent out there making quasi homophobic posts on his instagram.

^ I mean to say the RUMORS about them being gay have been around for decades. Now the FACT of them actually being gay has been talked about openly for months now.

Let's go back to JLo. No one cares about rappers on DL.

If it weren't for these DL rappers, J.Lo wouldn't have had any hit singles.

[quote] If it weren't for these DL rappers, J.Lo wouldn't have had any hit singles.

More reason to loathe them.

[quote] Let's go back to JLo.

Said no one…but me.

And SIZE MEAT VERIFICATIA on Diddy?

Is JLo a size queen?

R230's post reminds me that it was Charlie Sheen who convinced Ben Affleck to go to rehab in the 00s. You know you are an addict when CHARLIE SHEEN has to pull you back from the ledge. I wouldn't be surprised if Ben relapses again thanks to J Lo's presence. Too much of those Taco flavored kisses...

This thread was better when we were focused on peariness.

The wiener fest of rappers and druggies it's taken a turn towards is boring me.

Ben became an addict after his circumcision apparently. Sad... if only the doctor said it wasn't necessary and he just needed stretching cream.

Facebook says: The WHOLE Network 8 July 2013 · Ben Affleck was reportedly circumcised after suffering an injury. Jon Stewart brought it up briefly on the Daily Show of September 19, 2006 and Affleck said, "I hate the circumcisions! Get enough [alcohol] in me, and I'll tell you how much I hate them!"

R235, really, that was the reason??? Didn't know that. I thought it was caused by J Lo being J Lo.

R236 the rant I linked below was allegedly by him

Marriage to Latin superstar Marc Anthony helped her reclaim her Latin bona fides, which she promptly lost when they divorced after ten years.

Like so many other mean, nasty, insecure, shallow, Latinas, JLo has fooled the public with a makeup routine that involves a trowel and gallons of spackle. Her illusion of beauty and glamour is just that.

If you’ve ever been around her type, they will even go to the beach with a fully made-up face that disguises their true monstrous form. It’s a mask to cloak the hate and ugliness.

The gig is up for JLo, though, as she can do absolutely nothing about her horizontal pear growth. Not even Benjamin Moore can cloak this horror. She looks more like a Weeble every day. Her face is getting wider as well.

When her true ugliness is unleashed, it’s like the wails of millions of stubby, hairy, envious Latinas worldwide scream in unison, their fire and hatred exploding like red beans in a pressure cooker.

I can’t believe Ben - who can still easily bang 30-somethings - would want to wake up to this decrepit, reptilian visage each morning.

You can just feel her hate.

R239 she looks like a hot 90s rocker here

I suspect the pear troll in this thread may in fact be Ms Dayanara Torres. Move it along, toots. He's not worth it.

R239, tbh, she looks pretty good there without makeup but you can absolutely see her face is masculine.

How did anything go right? The (long-expired) "J-Lo Glow" notwithstanding, she was a drab nobody, with minimal talent in any arena.

WTF, R239?

R242 Which means lesbian. So the Leah Remini theory is confirmed.

R239 did your cleaner ghost you or something?

I’ve always thought she had a VERY masculine face.

R247, she reminds me of the woman in Seinfeld who looked ghoulish depending on the angle.

I don’t understand the whole Rihanna thing.

First of all, Rihanna was a singles artist. She had a hard time doing 2 things - selling albums and selling tickets for her concerts.

Those are 2 pretty huge things you need in order to be validated as a successful artist.

At Rihanna’s height with “Good Girl Gone Bad”, she was only able to push about 2 million after like 7 singles and a re-release!

Rihanna has sold like 200 million worldwide and about 190 million of that are 99 cent singles.

Her concerts performed so poorly, she was stuck in a cycle of touring to pay off the last tour.

Her last album got off to a ROCKY start - “4 5 Seconds” was a flop, “Bitch Better Have My Money” flopped and so did “American Oxygen”. Her team had to go back to the drawing board and Drake saved her with “Work”.

And again, her last tour was a flop as well. Tons of empty seats.

Rihanna left because of 2 reasons

She was sick of being a workhorse like Britney for her record company.

And second, she was disposable pop and the longer she waited between releases, the more other disposable pop acts got hold of the radio.

She does not have the album sales or tour sales Beyonce or Taylor Swift have. Not even close.

R249 she does have the most number one singles of any female artist in history. So there’s that.

R250 but with an ugly voice

At least she has the business acumen to have started her cosmetics company.

[quote]She was sick of being a workhorse like Britney for her record company.

ie, lazy.

[quote] "Where Did It All Go Wrong for J.Lo?"

Where do I begin?

Rihanna is living the Caribbean dream, which is the most amount of high-life for the least amount of work possible. What's funny is that Mariah is just as lazy as Rihanna, but doesn't look sexy doing it. A slow moving Rihanna is sultry and effortlessly cool; a slow moving Mariah is Sloth in Spanx Shitting on Lower Branch-Dwelling Sloths.

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I CANNOT wait to see the Ozempified Mariah Carey. Has anyone seen her lately? Or has she been in hiding waiting for the great reveal? Will she say it was an illness or just come out and admit it?

R249, despite that, Rihanna's sales continue to grow and she is leaving Beyonce behind in streaming despite the fact that Beyonce continues to release new material and is hyped to death. Rihanna never sold concert tickets because, well, she's lazy and a bad performer unless you catch her on a good night (which seems rare).

R239 Ouch, but yeah, if J-Lo were Veronica in HR, that bunned-up messy look would be it. You forgot they are also dumb as rocks and conversation with them is nothing but gossip and drama. Again, she can't fight her genetic (and cultural) dispositions.

In other news, Mariah's Las Vegas performances are out on Youtube!

The show is suprisingly bare bones with her front and center in all her menopausal glory. J-Lo would need at least 200 back up dancers to distract from her.

R249 Rihanna is still worth more and not pimping her aging body all over stages trying to relive her glory from the 00s.

Her product lines bring in constant streams of income and all she does is put her name on some lip gloss and moisturizer produced for $0.99/gallon and marketed by people who know what they're doing.

The girl is clearly winning at life.

I never really understood Rihanna’s appeal as a recording artist. There wasn’t there much for me. But that’s not unusual. Still, I respect her business acumen and how she escaped the trap of hanging on beyond her moment.

R261 = Rihanna.

Burrito, taco taco, burrito, taco taco taco,

Don't think just because I got a lot of money, I'll give you taco-flavored kisses, honey Fulfill all your wishes with my taco-flavored kisses

Taco taco, Burrito burrito Taco taco, Fulfill all your wishes with my taco-flavored kisses! Taco taco.

R249: Rihanna has 14 and Mariah has 19 so she’s #2.

When they said tits and she heard talent.

Does anyone remember JLo's clothing line? It was the cheapest, tackiest looking garbage.

You couldn't pay me or anyone else to wear that trash

How is she one of the Met Gala hosts?

Especially after this look?

I don't know why we ever needed J.Lo in the first place when we've always had Iris Chacon.

People under 25 likely barely know who she is. She hasn't been relevant for anything other than being famous in 10 years.

In another 10 years, I doubt anyone will even care.

R272, the only reason she is still famous is because she is a novelty--a 50+ year old woman who looks "hot" for her age. And she's ethnic. Let's see what happens when she hits 60.

[quote] Let's see what happens when she hits 60.

Divorce, for sure. Maybe sooner.

[quote] How is she one of the Met Gala hosts?

Her agents probably convinced Wintour’s camp that 2024 would be the year of J.Lo and Bennifer 2.0. Meanwhile, this was decided months ago, long before her disastrous Amazon documentary and concert tour proved she’s the opposite of commercially viable and beloved along with being toxic.

It’s also good optics to include an elderly member for contrast with the more vibrant, youthful chairs. It’s says “Sleeping Beauties” is the theme and she’s perfectly suited to represent an evil, old crone filled with resentment and jealousy over her fading looks. The crepe-like neck in R268 looks like old plaster falling off the side of a war-torn building in Italy.

I don’t know when it went wrong for her, but I want to see her burned until there’s nothing left but ashes.

Taco flavored ashes.

Both Zendaya and Lopez are co-chairing the Met Gala?

Ooooh, girl.

If I were Zendaya, I'd give Lopez all the space in the world. Nobody on Earth, right now, is hotter, career-wise and physical & age-wise than Zendaya.

Lopez is decades older and just coming off two major flops- her self-referential "This is Me...Now" mini-movie and her Tanked Tour.

Zendaya, DO NOT get cornered alone with Lopez in the Ladies Room, or, you best be practicing your wig-snatch.

Lopez must have provided a lot of taco flavored "kisses" to chair the Met Gala. Jesus.

I have to admit though that J Low at least looks good while Zendaya...

Ben drunk texted me his dick pic last night.

Should I tell J.Lo?

Glow By JLO is awful. I bought it once for my mom when I had a gayling crush on JLo 20 years ago. Bless my mother, she actually used it to make me happy x

JLo's neck is not crepey. However, her stylist and JLo made the mistake to put a high jeweled collar around it. Under high lights, the stones create terrible shadows for skin. I've seen I many times. It makes the skin look like burn scars and mummies.

Not shadows, I mean reflections. But the reflected light also can create odd shadows as well. Amateur move.

Here is her neck recently

Her eyes, however. Well god bless. She doesn't look pulled and stretched to high heaven.

Did someone actually ask her if her photos were filtered? Or did she just innocently mention it?

OP & 75% of this thread = Mariah

Nobody likes a homewrecker.

Word in the film/tv industry is that she has the string lifts, and taking HGH. Whatever she is doing, I think she looks damn good.

She's still trying to look like she did 10 and 20 years ago. Extensions, big hair. No evolution.

One trick pony, which is why she's still up to the same tactics.

I associate big hair with the 60s, the 80s and the early 90s.

But she has to make her head balance out her butt.

R284, she also claims she wasn't using any autotune with this song. Yes, I totally buy it!

She didn't grow old gracefully.

Thank you for stopping just short of calling Rihanna a lazy black person, r255. People from the Caribbean are no lazier than anyone else.

R294 You're actually showing your own racism with that response. "Black" is not a nationality, ethnicity, or monolith culture. If I had cheekily espoused some cultural stereotype about a German or Danish person, would you have assumed I was extending that stereotype to all white people and gotten offended on their behalf? Unlikely.

I spent seven months in Barbados in my early 30's and shit is sloooow there. EVERYTHING is slow. It takes a half hour to get your food in a drive through line. It takes hours to open a bank account. Businesses open and close whenever they feel like it. They call it "island time". I called it maddening. Lovely, warm people...but slow as molasses.

Also, Rihanna is mixed race, and Barbados has one of the largest white populations in the Caribbean. 'Fenty' means 'poor white'.

You didn't call barbados slow, r295. You said she had that Caribbean attitude of wanting the best life possible for the least amount of work. We all know what that means. You may as well have called her a lazy n word.

R296 is feeding.

R295 Fenty is Rihanna’s last name … jfc

Rihanna is lazy. She had a horrible voice at the beginning of her career but she improved it and sounded pretty good around 2008 but then she started to be a weed addict and ruined it. Now she sounds like a horse and looks weird because of all the partying.

Say what you want about Rihanna but she is lazying her eay into millions a year for work she did almost two decades ago.

She's not like JLo desperately putting her own money into her PR campaign that is clearly revealing she isn't relevant anymore. And touring empty arenas for her flop of a tour and memorizing scripts for flops of movies. And forcing her 50yo pear body as a sex symbol that 50 is the new 30.

I’m the only thing that isn’t a flop in her life.

It all went wrong when she decided to become a singer.

Those broad hips perched precariously on those short, stumpy legs. She's in great shape, but doesn't have a great body. She always looks awkward to me when she attempts to pose glam/sexy because she's trying too hard. I think Lea Michele studied her red carpet antics or something.

I always thought her body was kind of misshapen too. Overall she’s attractive, just kind of lopsided and manly.

She’s gone pretty far with what little she had.

She's sort of like Cher in that she's been around a long time and has done a little bit of everything. The difference between her and Cher though is that J.Lo doesn't have a likeable personality or a sense of humor about herself. Personality-wise, she's more like Madonna.

Her career was pretty much over by the time she married Marc Anthony but then she has a comeback with American Idol and she's been everywhere ever since. I think the public tuned her out after a while. Unlike most celebrities, she doesn't re-invent herself. She's had the same style since 1999 and that shit gets boring.

I agree that she should have focused more on acting/being a TV personality than a pop star. Flaunting her relationship with Ben was a bad move. He's not popular anymore. Younger people only know him as the asshole husband from Gone Girl.

Rihanna has been successful because she has a fun personality. She was smart to dip out of the music industry once she hit her 30s. Other pop stars should take note. Rihanna is more popular with the younger crowd because she's relatable.

The other difference is that Cher actually has talent

I’ll give her this

No one cares about that dress from pre-9/11 anymore.

R304 indeed, it is rumored that she is lesbian and in a couple with Leah Remini. Manly body = Inhabitants of the Island of lesbos.

She's very lucky anyone gives two shits about her after smuggling in a gun used to kill somebody and got up to God knows what else with Diddy.

He looks like a DLer's booty call.

R312, that reminds me of her closeted ex, Casper

She has a masculine body??

R314, not sure about her body but her face is very masculine at different angles.

Her smoke and mirrors are finally getting exposed.

It all went wrong when people found out that Ben speaks better Spanish than her. She's a Puerto Rican fraud!

r317, my Colombian friend always mentions that about her. That she doesn't even speak good Spanish.

R318 I wonder what your Columbian friend has to say about Ben's Spanish?

Why does she need to speak Spanish? She's American.

If JLo, Janet Jackson, Mariah and Madonna did a benefit concert for fading pop divas, who would open and who would headline?

Agree with everything that has been said. A big problem for her is that is not likable or relatable. She peaked MANY years ago around the time of the movie "Out of Sight." Since then, it's been a steady decline. Yes, she did the Super Bowl halftime, but she seemed heavy footed and was eclipsed by Shakira during that performance. Her movies and music are bad. She didn't even sing on her early albums, which is a major red flag and shows her delusion. The recent "documentary" on her was a complete flop. Plus the marriage to Ben Affleck has just come across as a desperate PR move. He's an alcoholic, and she's desperate for attention - of course they will divorce. I think she struck a deal with the devil for her early success, and now karma has caught up with her and she is over.

She should have remained Jennifer Lopez. "JLo" sounds ghetto. Poor branding. I loathe all those mashup hood rat names.

Yes it was all PR and Ben ruined it because at the Gen Z event "the Grammys", he looked bored and left a bad impression. If he had only smiled after every song, Gen Z would have respected that PR couple more. I am saddened that Jlo flopped because she along with many other singers, wanted to bring the early superior 2000s (1999-2004) sound of music back but now she failed with that. Y'all aren't helping -.-

Ben just looks exhausted.

[quote] She should have remained Jennifer Lopez. "JLo" sounds ghetto. Poor branding. I loathe all those mashup hood rat names.

Racist much?

It all went downhill when she did the Booty video with Iggy Azalea.

R319, he said "his spanish is better than hers!". Not joking.

His singing is better than hers too I’ve heard.

Why would J.Lo even be at the Grammys? That’s like inviting a Burger King drive-through worker to the James Beard Awards.

Everyone can see that Ben has no interest in her or anything else that doesn’t come in a bottle, and her attempts to spin them as a happy married couple look ridiculous to everyone. Everything about her is fake.

How much money has she lost over the course of her seven divorces?

Hennifer is such a big star. This music video also has over 600 million views. You are all so uninformed when it comes to her music career. She was a successful singer from 1999 until 2016. I thought gays would know more about this subject....

She sings in a very European style, known as lip syncing.

R333 She’s had 5 songs in the Top 50 in the last 17 years.

I think Madonna has had more and she’s considered less relevant as a hit maker

She makes Princess Stephanie of Monaco sound like Maria Callas.

Didn't the gays dump her after "Waiting for Tonight", which was released in 1999? Not sure if those are even her vocals. She's trash.

It takes a special kind of cunt to inspire so much disgust and contempt from the very public you’d think she’d try to court.

A huge part is that she’s devoid of talent. You can put up with the Barbra diva-shit because she’s phenomenally talented. J.Lo has always been nothing but tits and ass. She’s not an artist. She’s solely a product. That’s past its expiration date.

Add in the fact that she’s notorious for treating everyday people like shit and you have the perfect recipe for a celebrity you love to hate.

Truly a garbage person.

Agreed r338. It’s like she feels that she’s got the right to ask people to spend their money on her projects but not really giving them anything back. This reeks of cynicism and lack of empathy for the people she wants to be her fans. I knew of a couple of Hispanic gays who loved her but a lot of them didn’t.

Jennifer's reacts in third person to the underwhelming support of her latest project:

[quote]She really doesn't care what others think," the third [person] insider says of Lopez's reaction to her recent criticism, adding that Affleck, whom she wed in 2022, has been keeping "Jen grounded" through all the highs and lows. Lopez, meanwhile, is already on to the next big thing. "She's looking for a fresh start."

"I'll drink to that!

[quote]Affleck, whom she wed in 2022, has been keeping "Jen grounded"

That's cuz she can't pick him up off the floor.

[quote] She really doesn't care what others think

Which is reflected in her pitiful output. Always a good idea to hold paying customers in contempt.

Next big thing? You’re pushing 60, have next to no talent and everyone hates you.

Stick to what you do best.

Getting back together I said, one of the things I don't want is a relationship on social media.....

This whole thing is giving "Gone Girl" vibes.

[quote]Lopez, meanwhile, is already on to the next big thing. "She's looking for a fresh start."

Her divorce lawyer better clear his schedule.

Poor Jlo. Her career is on a worse trajectory than Janet Jackson's dead in the water career.

She was announced as a Met Gala host before the Diddy raids. Will Anna pressure her to give up the spot?

I've never found Ben hot, but his receding hairline really makes him look bad. He's one of those guys who need a full head of hair. His expressions and ridiculous tatts don't help.

Find someone who loves you as much as JLo loves herself.

She aimed too far. Although she's made a ridiculous amount of money her biggest gift was as an actor. She wasn't some technical genius but she knew what she was doing confidently, she had real appeal, the camera liked her and she knows how to act for the camera. She could have really grown as an actor if she had concentrated on it more than music. Acting was the thing she could actually get better at. Not signing

Who watches her stupid romantic movies? I don't know anyone who will admit to it.

"Acting was the thing she could actually get better at."

Lord, I've heard it all now. BYE THREAD.

[quote] Not signing

I’d rather watch her SIGN than SING. Though she’d probably have someone else do it for her.

Does anyone else suspect she had a nosejob early in her career? It's hard to find an old photo that backs up/proves the nosejob premise, but her nose makes me think of those pug dogs.

Except they're cuter.

R352, she definitely did. Her nose looks completely different from how it looked when she was younger

I’ll admit to watching “Maid in Manhattan” r349.

It’s actually pretty good in a ridiculous, nonsense kinda way.

Ralph Fiennes and Natasha Richardson are fun to watch, too.

[quote] Ralph Fiennes and Natasha Richardson are fun to watch, too.

Poor people, having to share the screen with such a limited “actress”.

She should have stuck to acting. She can't sing and her music videos sold her songs because she was appealing to watch. It's probably too late to remake her image as she's branded as Jlo and she has no insight. I still love her in Out of Sight.

R326 Nope. KFed, Bennifer, ScarJo, JeLa,. All white. All trashy, hood rat mashup names. Calling someone ghetto or a hood rat is not racist. Clearly you associate those words only with black people. Son, that makes you the racist.

There's a ton of J Lo parodies on TikTok and YouTube since her Amazon film. Some are funny. Some not so much. Having said that, I'm sure she's seen a few and is not amused.

Not R326, but your wrong R357. Hood rat and ghetto specifically references people who grew up in the ghetto which none of the people you mentioned did. You could refer to them as white trash, but not ghetto or a hood rat. If that is how you are using it, then you are using it incorrectly. I would suggest rethinking your ideas, unless another more important person in your life calls you a racist.

Ghetto is one word that I would like to give back to the Jews. Don’t know why it’s so connected to the African American people. I blame Jewish social workers and sociologists, the descendants of immigrants who were probably so grateful to see a group of people lower on the totem pole than them that they pawned it off on us.

And the moon grows dimmer...

Ghettos were used for the Jews when during the middle ages and after, they were locked into a certain part of town to be kept in at night. It became synonymous with a group of people locked in a particular area, whether with an actual padlock or through economic, social or legal methods. Here in America, the urban areas that black were allowed to live in, trapped in, were akin to the original Jewish Ghettos in Europe.

R360 WTF?! Seek professional guidance.

Mariah's concerts are horrible. Just look at the reviews. Playback, obesity, alcoholism, child exploitation apparently and nasty guests. No way I'd go to one after reading those reviews.

R359 Nope. I'm inclusive of all races when I say ghetto or hood. I am race agnostic. So many people are mixed race now anyway. Words only have racist power when you give them that power. I will use any words I want. If someone assumes I am a racist that is none of my business and not my problem.

^spoken like a true idiot.

Ben Affleck was smark-ass hot in his 20s.

oops smart-ass. maybe shart-ass too.

I’m watching 227

Was JLo on 227?

[quote]Ghetto is one word that I would like to give back to the Jews. Don’t know why it’s so connected to the African American people.

Ghetto is actually an Italian word. So you can give it back to them along with Columbus Day.

Ben was never hot. He always looked bloated and hungover, even in Shakespeare In Love.

He looked okay. But now he doesn't.

R372, he’s way better looking in person. But he smokes like he’s going to die at any moment.

Plus Ben has a really flat butt and baseball bats for legs. He’s into the hair plugs too.

Choreography by Britney Spears. 💅

JLo has always come across as unlikeable. To me, anyway.