Gen Z’er rips apart ‘Sex and the City’

People I don’t care about don’t like a show I don’t care about.

No shit Sherlock. !998-2004. Yes, it just might be over the hill, dude.

She says in one paragraph that she doesn't wish to (and can't) speak for her entire generation. But the lede/summary accuses her of doing exactly that.

She's upset that the characters aren't likable or relatable. So what? That's how good television works. We also don't relate to Jersey mobsters, meth cooks in New Mexico, or weirdos in wigs fighting over a throne. Fiction is fiction.

She's upset that they use blunt or outdated terms to discuss bisexuality. If she's offended by these girls, then she'll be struck dumb by what flyover Americans were saying about them in 1998 - or today.

She thinks Samantha has too few morals, and thinks Charlotte has too many, and ultimately likes neither of them.

A wiser person would simply change the channel on a show they didn't like. But if she did that, then she wouldn't be able to monetize her bitching and continue calling herself a "cultural voice."

All of the Gen Z writer's criticisms are things that even Gen X - who were of age when the show premiered - have criticized the show for in retrospect. And Miranda didn't "give in" to societal pressure and Charlotte's distress in deciding to keep the baby.

Curious what she thinks of The Golden Girls. Would she also say that Blanche has few morals and Dorothy has too many? And Rose was too dumb and Sophia was too mean?

Last name Miller, how surprising 🙄

OP you have to understand something

Almost every article like this written at a center-left publication is written by a very specific type of person who got the job through nepotism

This type of person was brilliantly portrayed by Zosia Mamet in Girls

This type of person we will call “Shoshanna”

Gen Z rips apart everything from the past yet they always watch it. They bitch about Friends and Seinfeld yet keep both shows very relevant and popular. Same with Threes Company.

[quote] Now I’ve seen the show, it’s clear that I’m not in any kind of Carrie Bradshaw era.

Surprise, I lived in “the Carrie Bradshaw era” in NYC during the actual Carrie Bradshaw era and the show bore no resemblance to real life at all. I mean, *absolutely nothing* about the show was realistic.

Seinfeld, OTOH, was practically a documentary on real life in Manhattan, except for Jerry’s complete lack of money worries.

R8 Seinfeld looked nothing like NY

Gen Z thinks absolutely everything is problematic.

EVERYthing.

Miller need not be a Jewish name at all, R6. In fact, it's the seventh most common surname in the United States, and the seventeenth most common in Britain. But don't let that bit of information stop you from seeing nepotism Jews everywhere.

R3 said it best.

People today are sadly more selfish and self centered due to the misnamed social media. Everybody seems more willing to use other people and view them as fellow human beings.

People are not a means to an end.

The show is still a guilty pleasure for me. Especially the first two seasons. It's a fairy tale and I'm a fairy. What's not to love?

She should just go back to recording herself at the gym and getting upset when people cross her camera's line of sight.

Zoomers.

[quote] Seinfeld looked nothing like NY

Seinfeld absolutely looked like NYC and my apartment building was often on the show. Yes it was filmed in a studio, but locations shown were real - Champagne video, Hunan Balcony, Pasteur Pharmacy, Brentano’s were all real places that New Yorkers frequented and the studio’s version of Love Cosmetics looked exactly like a real Love Cosmetics. And the subway was as dirty and creepy as they showed back then. I’ll never forget the first time I went into a new, clean, air conditioned subway train. I was literally giddy because I’d never seen anything like it and felt like I was in a futuristic movie.

What killed me most was that Woody Allen was actually filming on my block when the episode aired where Kramer was in a Woody Allen movie filming on their block.

R15 it didn’t look like NY. And it wasn’t filmed in NY. Fuck off already.

I turned on my tv the other night and I happened to catch a marathon of a tv show called I Love Lucy. Now, I can’t speak for my parent’s generation and what they were thinking, but this show is just not right. First of all, it was filmed in black and white, so it was hard to watch.

There is this housewife named Lucy. And she thinks up all of these weird schemes. For example, she decides to get a job. She’s put on an assembly line which she can’t handle and so starts stuffing chocolate in her mouth. Who does that? Why doesn’t she go have a conversation with Human Resources?

Lucy’s husband Desi is from Cuba. He works as a performer. She is constantly making fun of his English. He retaliates by turning her over on his knee and spanking her. He also forces her to call him “Sir!” What’s up with that?

These two are so self-centered that they have a baby and *twice* leave it to go party in Hollywood and Europe.

In addition, Lucy and Ricky are constantly smoking which is bad for the baby’s health. And there’s an episode where Lucy gets drunk while filming a commercial. People think that’s funny? Alcoholism is a serious problem.

There are two neighbors named Fred and Ethel, sad types really, who should have divorced long ago. It seems their only joy in life is insulting each other.

I could go on, but my generation is so appalled by the behavior these people display every week. I was told that not an hour goes by that this show is not playing somewhere in the world. I’m embarrassed that Europeans and other Citizens of the World think this is how Americans act. I was recently in Croatia, and even though I can’t speak the language, I felt everyone I met was cold and distant to me. I think it was disapproval that I’m from a country that exports a show like I Love Lucy.

I honestly don't care what any 22 year old has to say about anything. Let alone THIS woman.

Her pic let's us know everything about her. Bookish, no style, below average looks who writes in order to feel part of a world she'll never be in.

If she's going to go out there and criticize things around her or things from the past before her time, then criticism of her is open and valid as well.

Sit your silly ass down little girl. You're in no position to judge beautiful professional female women in their 30's. You barely have a degree, job and by the looks of you, probably haven't even taken more than 1 or 2 dicks yet.

[quote]beautiful professional female women in their 30's

Seinfeld got many things right about NYC even if not filmed there. Sex and the City was a complete fantasy.

Why are they having sex👿

[quote]Curious what she thinks of The Golden Girls. Would she also say that Blanche has few morals and Dorothy has too many? And Rose was too dumb and Sophia was too mean?

These 'woke' fourth-wave feminists want all their female characters to be perfect Mary Sues and superwomen.

That's why writing for women is so bad now. There's no nuance.

[quote][R8] Seinfeld looked nothing like NY

[quote][R15] it didn’t look like NY. And it wasn’t filmed in NY. Fuck off already.

For what it's worth, my stepfather was a Jewish New Yorker and Seinfeld fan, and he commended the show for its 'realism'

Frankly, I think that poster is insisting it was nothing like NY, because it goes against the multicultural NY the 'wokes' are trying so desperately to portray in the media these days, which has never existed and was not portrayed on the show.

Even LIVING SINGLE took place in New York, but it was a mainly black cast despite some of the characters having white collar jobs like publisher and attorney.

As a features intern at the New York Post, this Gen Z’er covered larger features stories such as viral croissants on TikTok.

🙄

[quote]My problem comes when Charlotte, who has been told she has a small chance of conceiving naturally, leverages that information and guilts Miranda.

[quote]By the time Miranda’s appointment for the procedure rolls around, she makes the decision to keep the baby. Although the episode initially approached the topic directly and transparently, Miranda’s decision to not get an abortion seemed to be born of societal pressure, amid an ongoing theme of her feeling as if she wasn’t the ideal woman.

[quote]Abortion should be an option for all women. I would’ve had so much respect for the episode had Miranda stayed true and solidified in the choice she made at the beginning.

Since Samantha and Carrie had already had abortions, the show was hardly taking an anti-abortion stance by writing Miranda having second thoughts. She knew it was unlikely for her to have gotten pregnant in the first place due to a medical issue, she was in her mid-30's and knew she wanted a baby eventually. At the clinic she suddenly wondered what she was waiting for and tearfully asked herself, "Is this my baby?" That doesn't seem unrealistic and it had nothing to do with her feeling inadequate as a woman. Anyway, I think the episode was well-written and not at all threatening to societal views on abortion. This writer is reaching on this one, IMO.

I really hate these"Young people react to..." showcases. I get no entertainment from young people reacting to modern shows that are in fucking syndication everywhere. If you want an interesting reaction, show them Norman Lear shit like "All in the Family" and "Maude."

Also, her complaint that Charlotte guilted Miranda leaves out the fact that Charlotte was very sad after finding out she couldn't have kids and Miranda's news was hard for her to hear. She came around shortly after that and was happy for Miranda. Again, a pretty well-written episode. Unless you're using the standards of a perfect generation that handles every situation selflessly and perfectly (and humorlessly), and wants characters in fictional writing to adhere to those standards.

That article reads like a high school essay. Really poorly phrased. the prim hectoring over bisexuality was about as interesting as it gets.

R6

Miller? I grew up with several Millers and none were Jewish. I mean - that’s your point, right?

I read the article after seeing it widely ridiculed on Twitter. It was as bad as expected. And then I googled the journalist to see what she looked like yes, the kind of girl who makes her bed every morning with her teddies and My Little Pony on the pillows.

What she (and a lot of Dataloungers tbf) don't realise is that yes Carrie makes bad decisions because everyone makes bad decisions. And her friends stick by her because that's what friends do when they make bad decisions.

Also this is in response to the 6 seasons making their debut on Netflix. Does anyone think this dweeb watched all 6 seasons before writing this shite?

This young woman writes so poorly she would make a wonderful head writer for AND JUST LIKE THAT!

Learning to see influential, "cultural touchstone" TV series (whether you like[d] them or not) in a whole new light, described through the eyes of someone from a new generation, could be enlightening, and I like the idea, but this young writer lacks the insight to make her piece interesting. There *are* some young cultural commentators out there with more original minds (even Tavi Gevinson, who's always had a maturity beyond her years, although I don't particularly care for her).

Gen Z and DL posters have something in common - focus on the negative ( Who we don't like, Why did you hate this film? Why I hate Chalamet, etc). The only difference is that DL posters are not easily offended.

You know, you can actually dislike characters on a show and still watch and like a show. I still enjoy late night reruns of SATC. Yes, Charlotte is a screeching prude and Carrie is a self-centered, narcissistic child but I still watched it and enjoyed it.

"being Woke" has a bit of nonreligious fundamentalism in it. At least in its attitude

R23 please explain what was so “real” about Seinfeld… it was a show about nothing. 4 people just living their lives. Kramer didn’t even have a job.

NYC was the setting but never a character on the show. So what was “realistic” about it?

I guess you never lived In NYC. One of the first episodes had a creepy comic friend of Seinfeld ask him to store his winter coat for him. The comic didn’t have room in his closet. I wondered if anyone outside NY understood how real that was! The show had the perfect Brooklyn/Queens Jewish sensibility. That was NYC then. Not really now.

R37 You just answered your own question.

In almost every episode, I can find something that I've done. I don't think that can be said for any other sitcom. I've fallen asleep under my desk, there's ALWAYS cake in my office when I'm trying to stay away from sweets, I've been in the bathroom of a restaurant when a kitchen staff member used it and did not wash their hands. I've also waited two hours for a table at a Chinese restaurant with a wacky owner being wacky. Got lost in a multi-level parking garage after shopping at the mall and had a confirmed rent-a-car get sold out.

Shit, we've ALL had similar or the same experiences as characters from this show. There's never been a sitcom as realistic as Seinfeld. PERIOD.

A topical show from a quarter century ago is now dated? STOP THE PRESSES!!

R39 so you find the characters relatable… that has literally nothing to do with NYC. The show can be set in Philly and you would be able to relate to them if that is the case. I didn’t ask about the characters though, retard.

So now answer the question asked, what was accurate about their depiction of NYC. NOT the characters, who 2 of the 3 were transplants.

Born and raised here. Unlike you.

R39 PS I would stop WW your own posts. Muriel already received an email about what you did yesterday. Would hate to send another.

[quote]There's never been a sitcom as realistic as Seinfeld.

You’ve obviously never seen That Girl.

I hate that genre too, r26. There's always an implication that we should be flattered when a young person like something old. "Wow this 14 year old approves of The Cure? Thank you so much, hip young person!"

R42 You CLEARLY need to refill your prescriptions.

Like the characters on the show have flaws and say mean words, I literally hate them.

Like I said earlier, the writer doesn't lay out many criticisms that even most older FANS of the show haven't voiced over the years (though the Miranda "guilt/pressure baby" criticism is a new one). For me, it's just the tone. The "we need to have a talk about SATC ...." And the condescending "I’m also part of a generation where it isn’t uncommon to have one of your close friends identify as a different sexual orientation." Yeah, it wasn't uncommon for the demographic who initially watched the show either - hence some older fans having some of the same reactions to the way gay people were portrayed and, more so, the main character's comments and reactions to gay people- although in the broader sense I think we all knew there was no intended malice. And people really did say "tranny." The Samantha and the "trannies" episode wasn't really anti-trans.

The 'up my ass players' episode did not portray the trans sex workers as victims. Samantha respected what they did to make a living but they were still noisy bitches who interfered with her orgasm. In the end, one of them got the upperhand over Samantha who decided to make peace. It's a funny episode that would never be made today.

[Quote] Surprise, I lived in “the Carrie Bradshaw era” in NYC during the actual Carrie Bradshaw era and the show bore no resemblance to real life at all. I mean, *absolutely nothing* about the show was realistic.

[Quote] Seinfeld looked nothing like NY

nor did Friends

S&tC had its...issues. but who tf cares what Gen Z thinks? Like do things need to have Gen Z approval now? Fuck off.

The one and really only thing that bothered me about the show (which I consider light entertainment no more or less) was the depiction if gay guys (I say it as a woman). All very shrill, catty, flaming, and there to be an accesory to the girls. It was outdated even then.

R51 very true but every once in a while they got it right with Stanford especially whenever he got rejected. I felt his pain in an early episode where he placed a Personals ad in the Village Voice (!) and met his date on the street and was immediately rejected. And the guy wasn't even hot.

[quote]Born and raised here. Unlike you.

A chola from the outer boroughs is a world away from an affluent white Manhattanite.

[quote]And people really did say "tranny." The Samantha and the "trannies" episode wasn't really anti-trans.

Everybody called them tranny hookers back then. Everybody.

"Samantha is obnoxious and comes across as having few morals."

Samantha was probably the most moral and compassionate character of the four. She was Jesus with a great sex life.

Tranny was still going strong in 2014

Including the tranny hookers themselves!

It was a show about entitled white cunts who like to shop, drink, fuck and party. Of course gay men loved it.

It was nothing more and nothing less than entertainment.

This generation is so humorless and strident.

[quote]Samantha is obnoxious and comes across as having few morals

Clearly a show called "SEX and the City" is too much for this zoomer. Maybe she could find some "700 Club" reruns.

Why do people insist on posting links to sites where a login- even a free one - is required? Paste the text or provide an archive link. I already have enough sites and apps where a login is needed.

Great for journalist that she isn't a Kardashian clone, but in the photo at r31, it's like she's trying to look bad.

With features like that, at least go for a flattering hairstyle and/or glasses.

Pollyanna looks like she's styled her look on Anne Hathaway at the beginning of Devil Wears Prada.

Uptight little freak.

I don’t give a shit what Gen Z thinks about ANYTHING. They desperately need to sort themselves out and quit getting their knickers in a twist over TV shows from decades ago.

Go and watch Euphoria on repeat if you want a show that talks to Gen Z. As a Gen X, I found it fucking stupid.

LMAO.

Gen Z-on-Gen-X violence!

I didn't like SATC - it just never resonated with me. I have friends my age (mostly women, a few gay men) who were willing to kill and die for it. It was clear even back then that the show bore no resemblance to real life, but that's true for so many series. White Collar, Suits, Blacklist,... The list is endless. Contrived settings and plots can still make good TV enjoyable to some.

Gen Z is so fucking lame! So are the youngest millennials.

Little boring brats. I guess they call themselves Zillennials?

Tell 'em, girsl! You do NOT take a shit on one of DL's sacred cows and get away with it.

Crazy to think that many DLers were even older than the SATC actresses when the show began.

One of the best teachers I ever had taught me a lesson that made life so much easier. We were reading something hundreds of years old. The King in the story has a speech about being a vessel of God’s will. His subjects believed it and him. I said I thought it was ridiculous that they thought that way. My teacher said, “yeah. I agree, but it doesn’t matter. That was the dominant thinking back then. Someday people are going to think aspects of our era are ridiculous. It’s inevitable. Opinions evolve.” The end. Don’t give this one article and one voice so much power.

R67 I'm meh on the show but not all shows have to be relatable or realistic. If anything, the appeal always seemed more escapist to me, and there's nothing particularly wrong with that.

R66 those girls just got their foot in the door of Gen X, their characters and actors are all from 1965, the year Gen X began. And KC is outright boomer.

It was frequently a badly written show that lost direction but it was never a real drama, purporting to tell stories of real life. It was always a comedy that wandered (usually stumbling) into the dramatic moments. I blame the writing of the Aiden character. That character dragged the whole show into drama.

Like most fiftysomethings give a fuck about what some 22 year old theyby has to say.

So who is the troll who has been threatening posters with Muriel? It seems mentally ill. I see it's infiltrated this thread.

r74 Aiden? What about Sourpuss McGee aka Miranda?

I wanted to like Carrie, but couldn't. The narrating killed her for me.

Samantha was the funniest.

Mr Big was hot.

Most of the outfits were good.

Samantha was the only one qualified to write a sex column. Miranda had the potential.

Charlotte and Carrie were prudes.

I may change my authenticated name to Brittany Miller. I like her lack of style.

I prefer the style of a Brittany miller.

I think what she’s missing is that SATC was fiction. A soap opera. Not a documentary. Even I watched the show 20 years ago and rolled my eyes at the things she now criticizes. Gen Z is far too literal.

Gen zers need to experience life a little more before they start pontificating .

Even at the time of its original airing, Sex and the City wasn't taken seriously. Everybody with half a brain knew it was a total fantasy about life in NYC, much in the same way Friends was. It was a fun, entertaining show and not a blueprint of how people should actually live.

Gen Z really doesn't have any sense of this, as noted by posters above.

"Charlotte and Carrie were prudes."

Charlotte was a surface prude and somewhat prudish with random hookups. But she was surprisingly down for anything if she was in a relationship with the guy or thought that a guy had potential for a good relationship. Her biggest "prude" characteristic IMO was some of her reactions to what the others were doing in early episodes. I'm not sure "prude" is the right word. What ever hangups all of them might have, they all consistently had sex.

What I found interesting about Sex & the City was that the women seemed to treat their women friends better than their male relationships. They seemed more emotionally dependent on the women in the group rather than their specific husbands/boyfriends.

This morning E! repeated the episode where Carrie dates a bisexual. Her attitude about his sexuality and his 'sexually confused' friends was mind boggling considering she's a sex columnist. Then GASP she kisses a girl during a game of spin the bottle. After that she goes out for cigarettes and never comes back. Weird because she almost seemed repulsed by them.

Maybe what passes for prudery among the SITC girls is just them being selective.

The girls can say no as well as yes.

Of course can they can take no for an answer as well as yes?

What's Cynthia Nixon doing with her arms in that publicity photo?

^^ letting Rojo Caliente's pussy juice dry.

I love how it being added to Netflix has gotten Gen Z to watch and now we are getting think pieces on it.

R53 you aren’t from here. You’re a wannabe. Accept it and move on. Look at your birth certificate. Look at what high school you went to. They will remind you of where you’re from QUICKLY.

r91 So tired of Zoomers already, I wanna know what Alphas think of the show instead.

R87 it was very accurate of the time. Most people viewed bisexuality as confusion. And some still do.

R94. It absolutely was accurate of that era but my point is, as a sex columnist, Carrie should have been intrigued not repulsed. Instead of taking the time to know them she ran away.

But she wasn't just a sex columnist. She was more of a diarist, tracking the lives of young women in Manhattan, including sex lives, because that sells.

R95 what do you think a sex columnist is? They aren’t a sex worker. They are discussing and debating all things sex. They aren’t there to agree with everything and think all things sexual are good. They are there to cause discussions. She did that.

Does anyone ever comment on the book?

She can be open as a sex columnist all she wants, but she's also a straight white coastal American woman writing in a certain era, and as such has her blind spots. Just look at all the foreskin jokes in American TV shows and movies, even though the US is very much in the minority in their attitude towards this issue in the western world.

I only ever saw the odd episode here and there. It always seemed massively overrated to me. A load of dislikable characters leading unrealistic lives while trying to be funny. Pass.

[quote]you aren’t from here. You’re a wannabe. Accept it and move on. Look at your birth certificate. Look at what high school you went to. They will remind you of where you’re from QUICKLY.

Living in Manhattan in an apartment you could only dream of, chulo.

[quote]. Just look at all the foreskin jokes in American TV shows and movies, even though the US is very much in the minority in their attitude towards this issue in the western world.

Ah, the anti-circ troll. What a strange hill to die on.

R101 only that isn’t true. How embarrassing that you continue to lie.

Truth hurts r103. I'm looking down on 7th Ave. right now.

R104 lmao the delusion is real with you. No education, no job, lying 24/7 on the internet while stalking people, your family is on EBT (fact checked). Yeah….

Have a nice day Seacow r105.

R106 have a great day living off your family (not in NY) with no education, no job, living off EBT and stalking strangers online. Only this time we are recording your every post and movement online, including those weird sites you post on.

^^fucking nutcase

R108 not the one who lied about serious shit. Keep thinking you’re getting away with that. Shits gonna get REAL, and unlike you, I have an education and can afford a lawyer (already have one collecting the info). You? 🤭 EBT doesn’t pay for lawyers.

^^insane