OJ is Dead to Me

His family posted it on his Twitter page. Dead from cancer.

Yay for cancer!

Appears to be valid

These things happen.

The juice is loose

A good day! Burn in hell bitch!

Oh well.

Not gonna shed a tear

One less violent misogynist among us.

Maybe he’ll meet Nicole in heaven and she will tell him who killed her

“On April 10th, our father, Orenthal James Simpson, succumbed to his battle with cancer,” the family wrote on X.

End of an era.

But he had so much left to offer

My condolences to cancer.

But now who will find the real killers?

Good job Cancer!

Will they be able to bury him in a casket or will he not fit? If you can’t fit, you must acquit.

Has Kim Goldman commented yet?

[quote] Just got an alert from TMZ.

How sad… that you get alerts from TMZ.

. . .

R3 is a tard.

[quote] One less violent misogynist among us.

Fewer!

Now, who will carry on his work to find the real killers?

Has Priscilla Presley commented yet?

He died before he could find the real killer! Sad!

r22 yeah, I almost "oh deared" myself after posting ...

Scums passing didn't even make the morning news.-thx DL

Liars get cancer!

Hell needed another demon!

[quote] Now, who will carry on his work to find the real killers?

Voice of the Night at R15 may.

What happens to his assets ? Do they get passed on to his survivors or are they still tied up in his legal issues ?

Has Pimp Momma Kris Kardashian commented yet?

Has Marcia Clark gone gray? What is her hairstyle these days?

Reunited with Robert Kardashian!

I hope he suffered.

ABC News has confirmed.

He died peacefully, unlike his former wife and her friend. There is no justice sometimes.

How dare that SOB die on my birthday!

Maybe now the Goldman family can get paid their civil wrongful death judgment as his estate gets administered.

The world is a little better place today.

People who lie….

[quote]Maybe now the Goldman family can get paid their civil wrongful death judgment as his estate gets administered.

I hope so. His piece of shit kids always supported him!

R2 no. Not yay. Never celebrate fucking cancer. Sick fuck

Years too late. Should have died in prison serving out his lifetime double-murder sentence.

One less vote for Trump!

He had so much going for him - talented, attractive, successful, (superficially) likeable - and he decided to throw it all away and become a murdering scumbag. Hope the victims' families get some sense of peace from this.

How's the Bronco?

[quote]His piece of shit kids always supported him!

That's because they knew they could get away with murder at his house!

He'll miss the 30th anniversary in June.

CNN is not doing breaking news yet. Weird.

Curious if they mention this on 'The View' this morning, since ABC news confirmed. Probably not.

r42 I imagine it's traumatizing enough to lose one's mother to murder, especially at a young age. I can understand why his kids with Nicole supported him. No one really wants to believe their father murdered their mother, especially when he is the only parent they have left. I've seen this dynamic on several true crime shows. The cognitive dissonance is strong but understandable.

Without him actively searching for the real killers, this cold case will now likely never be solved.

I first heard this through the "Liza Minnelli Outlives" Twitter, which just proves I'm a true blue DLer

Leslie Van Houten next?

R50 I think they are going to go through the Trump stuff and Arizona abortion stuff first and then talk about OJ

Oh, well! 🤷‍♂️

Drudge banner headline: "CANCER MURDERS OJ"

What was on his Ipod? This is on mine.

Now I’ll never get my fucking money!

OK, I take that back. At least Leslie served a long sentence.

Casey Anthony next!

God must have needed another angel in heaven.

What a dumbfuck. He got away scot-free on a double murder charge, then went to prison for stealing shit in Vegas.

Yes, they did mention this on THE VIEW - they opened the show with the news. Sunny quickly made it all about herself - it was because of the 'late great' Johnnie Cochran she became a lawyer.

Fred Goldman @ R60 you have to take pleasure at least in being the only Jewish person to possess the Heisman.

Has the NYT posted a headline yet about how OJ's passing is bad for Biden?

I always felt bad for Marcia Clark. How could you live with yourself, knowing you blew this case so badly?

Sunny Hostin is verklempt.

And I was just yesterday listening to a discussion about Dominick Dunne & the OJ case.

[quote] I always felt bad for Marcia Clark. How could you live with yourself, knowing you blew this case so badly?

Clarence Darrow could not have won that case once it was moved.

I spent numerous hours watching his trial on Court TV back in the day.

Wikipedia already updated!

R67 Marcia Clark did get some hot BBC from Chris Darden, though.

His daughter, Jessica, must be devastated!

Does everyone remember where you were the day the verdict was announced?

32 living in Boston with my Irish boyfriend working that day in some woman’s Back Bay townhouse selling wedding dresses with the living room tv on and the volume way up. I remember Oprah was live that morning and the moment the verdict was announced almost the entire mostly black audience leapt to their feet and cheered for several minutes. And I remember thinking that even Oprah seemed pleased with the acquittal.

Rot.

I was in the 5th grade when the verdict was announced. The school secretary was going around to classrooms announcing the verdict.

DADDY!!!

Prediction for the next two criminal celebrity deaths-Bill Cosby and Martha Stewart

Oh no!! This will conjure up the "OJ is innocent" troll.

Can I have his stuff?

[quote]Does everyone remember where you were the day the verdict was announced?

I was a high school senior, and school basically stopped so everyone could listen to the verdict. Those of us who had cars cut class and were listening on radios in the parking lot.

Gone down there to check out the golfing in advance of donald's arrival.

Those two will dominate the weekend news coverage. Oy!

April is never dull.

The glove - "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."

His name was Oriental. How offensive!

Johnnie Cochran and Robert Kardashian, who defended him, both died terrible cancer deaths.

Fellow murderer, Robert Blake, preceded him by one year.

Verdict reaction in Los Angeles

Trump will probably favorably remember him, maybe name a federal building after him if he wins the election.

I loved the house at 360 Rockingham but its long gone-Construction workers found the knife in the rubble.

Al Cowlings should be assigned with driving the hearse carrying OJ's body.

Hope trump is next!

1994-2024

It is the end of an era and it makes me sad. Norm Macdonald isn't even here to talk shit about him one last time, because he's dead of cancer too. I guess I'll go listen to my Howard Stern OJ coverage.

[quote] Fewer!

No.

Good things do happen to bad people!

You can watch the entire trial on Court Tv.

OJ treated women like shit. I treat women like shit. OJ golfed. I golf. OJ is my people. OJ can be buried in the sand trap on the 11th hole at my golf course.

[quote]Fewer

'One less' is correct. 'Less' is used with singular nouns, and 'fewer' is used with plural nouns.

Black America will be on mourning.

If you want to know the truth about the trial, watch the Court TV docuseries OJ25.

[quote]You can watch the entire trial on Court Tv.

The trial took nine months! Ain’t nobody got time for that.

WHET Judge Ito?

DM says prostate cancer.

His eternal punishment will be running through a terminal trying to catch a flight…

to hell!

Denise Pilnak was a neighbor of Nicole’s. Her telephone bill shows she was on the phone from 10:25 PM and 10:28 PM. Prior to making this phone call, she and her friend noted how quiet the neighborhood was. Several minutes later between 10:33 and 10:35 PM, she testified that’s when she began to hear the sound of a barking dog, which is likely when the murders began. Allan Park testified to seeing OJ near the front door of the Rockingham estate at 10:55 PM, and his telephone records also document that. That leaves less than 25 minutes to commit the murders, drive back home, get rid of the evidence, etc.

Both Nicole and Ron had defensive wounds. Ron in particular was in hand to hand combat with whoever killed him, yet OJ had no injuries. The cut on his finger wasn’t seen by anyone who interacted with him at the airport, on the airplane ride to Chicago, nor when he immediately landed in Chicago. This includes people who got autographs from him, shook hands with him, and observed his hands. A broken glass was also found in his hotel room and it was documented he asked for a bandage at the hotel.

The FBI searched all of OJ’s and Nicole's credit card records and there was never any receipt found belonging to either of them that showed a purchase of Bruno Magli shoes. Every store that sold the shoes in the country was also searched, and they couldn't find anyone who sold him the shoes. The only proof of him owning them are the National Enquirer photos, which show him wearing suede shoes on a very rainy day. It was also found that the shoe soles that were said to be OJ's footprint were actually more popular than the prosecution maintained, the manufacturer sold the pattern to numerous shoe lines.

1.5 millimeters of OJ’s blood went missing from its vial. Thanos Peratis, the nurse who withdrew his blood, initially testified that he withdrew 8 millimeters. He took that back when only 6.5 appeared and the prosecution suggested he was mistaken. About a decade later he admitted to William Dear that he was certain he withdrew 8 millimeters because it was the amount he had drawn from patients all of his career, but he was close to retirement and had health problems so he didn’t want to cause any trouble.

The glove found at Bundy contained none of OJ’s DNA. The other glove found at Rockingham only contained his DNA in the area where Collin Yamauchi testified to spilling OJ's reference blood sample while handling it.

An identical knit cap matching the knit cap found lying on the ground next to one of the gloves was found in Nicole’s house. Those caps likely belonged to Sydney and Justin Simpson.

Two different people, John Meraz and William Blasini, encountered the Bronco at the lot where it had been impounded days after the murders. They both looked inside it for blood and testified they saw none. There was also only 1/8th of one drop of blood ever found inside it.

New York Times best selling author and journalist Stephen Singular was connected by an anonymous source within the LAPD about the case a few weeks after the murders. He was told Mark Fuhrman made an undocumented trip to Rockingham in the early morning hours after the murders looking for evidence that would incriminate OJ. Rosa Lopez, a housekeeper for OJ’s next door neighbor, testified to hearing men’s voices coming from the yard of Rockingham in the early morning.

The source told Singular that Fuhrman used a broken piece of fence from Bundy to pick up one of the two gloves found and placed it in a blue plastic bag. Next, he was told Fuhrman removed the glove from the plastic bag and planted it at Rockingham. A broken piece of fence was eventually found at Bundy and a blue plastic bag was found at Rockingham, and both were introduced as evidence in the trial.

He was also told EDTA would be found in some of the blood evidence if tested, lab technicians had mishandled OJ’s blood samples, vials of OJ’s, Nicole’s, and Ron's blood were in possession of an LAPD detective for several hours before being booked into evidence, and that Fuhrman had been acquainted with Nicole in some way.

Singular relayed this information from the source to the defense team and was in communication with them for awhile. Pretty much all of it checked out, including an investigation conducted by the LAPD's Internal Affairs Division which revealed that Fuhrman was overheard by other LAPD officers bragging about being intimate with Nicole and seeing her boob job before she was murdered.

Brett Cantor ran a nightclub called The Dragonfly where Ron worked for him as a waiter/promoter. Nicole was also a regular at the club. He was murdered a year before them in almost exactly the same way, by being stabbed repeatedly in the upper body and being nearly decapitated. Judge Ito ruled the defense team could review his case. His murder remains unsolved.

Tots & Pears

R107… I like that! 🤣🤣🤣

Casimir Sucharski, a friend of OJ's, was murdered alongside two female companions in his house in Florida by people with machine guns two weeks after Ron and Nicole were murdered.

Michael Nigg was friends with Ron and also worked at the Mezzaluna restaurant. He was murdered a year later in 1995 by being shot in the head after refusing to give his money to two men outside an ATM. The men who shot him didn't end up taking his money. His murder remains unsolved.

Not saying these murders are necessarily related to each other but it does make you wonder since all of these people reportedly led similar lifestyles which involved the use of cocaine. Faye Resnick, a cocaine addict, was also living with Nicole just days before the murders.

Video footage of OJ after the dance recital shows him in a good mood. Christian Reichardt also spoke with him on the phone an hour before the murders and testified his demeanor was jovial and not indicative of a simmering murderous rage.

His telephone records also show he made phone calls trying to set up dates with a few models, one of which he told he was unattached to anyone. If he was in a jealous rage over Nicole, why was he trying to date other women?

Another thing is Sydney was supposed to have a sleepover that night with one of her friends who ate dinner at the Mezzaluna restaurant with her and the Brown’s. OJ had been aware of this. That he would choose this day of all days to commit a murder, especially considering he also had a flight to catch, doesn’t make sense.

**This info is rarely included in most of the popular documentaries, TV shows, podcasts, books, etc. but almost all of it came out during the trial and can be verified.

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[quote]Al Cowlings should be assigned with driving the hearse carrying OJ's body.

Ford should provide a new white Bronco.

Who will be the first to admit he killed Nicole and Ron?

Best comment: May his coffin fit like a glove.

"Can I have his lawyers?"

R109 and Oswald was eating lunch and MJ was a father to those boys.

Bitch was in 1974 "The towering Inferno"- Fun film-Faye Dunaway

Dominique Dunne would have had a bright future in Hollywood ahead of her if it had not been for OJ.

Bill Cosby devastated at the loss of his dear friend...

It is a pity that after Trump loses the election, he could have been hired as a Celebrity Criminal Consultant... My numbers were better than Trump's, I was a high profile celebrity criminal, and I got an acquittal. Mr. Trump should have paid his lawyers, you don't want to go to court with your attorneys hating you.

Next year is going to be a Mark Burnett reality show nightmare for Trump.

He can always join him, R121

The networks are falling all over themselves with this shit-Who the fuck cares-He was no doubt a Trumper-be glad he's dead.

I have zero doubt that he fathered Khloe Kardashian.

Gosh, why couldn’t Trump have been visiting his old friend when the ground opened up and Satan dragged him into Hell?

I loved the Naked Gun series, and for that, I will raise a toast to Nordberg and watch them this weekend.

The 2016 American Crime Story series (the one with Cuba Gooding as OJ) portrayed the defence team quite sympathetically. It seemed that they got a lot right, and were simply unlucky in many ways. I don't know how accurate that series was, though.

There's a wonderful mini series documentary about O.J. that was done by Ezra Edelman aired on ESPN. It was devastating. I strongly encourage you to find it and watch it. OR: Watch the mini series with Cuba Gooding, Jr.

Thought it was odd during the trial that Barry Scheck, Mr. Innocence Project, essentially argued against the validity of DNA evidence.

R129 Both series are definitely worth watching if you just can’t get too much OJ.

He was a friend of mine!

Was Cuba as OJ groping Ron instead of Nicole?

Wait…has no one talked to Kato Kaelin yet. I really need to hear his thoughts. 🙄

He was as monstrous as he was handsome, which is to say extremely.

R133 Cuba is a mess! He has had serious issues with alcoholism and it's a shame because the guy has talent. When I look at Cuba Gooding, Jr. and Terrence Howard, I see two extremely talented African American actors who have mental health issues and are destroyed by alcoholism. It's very sad. Now Cuba has a son who is an absolute treasure. Mason Gooding is a fine young actor, and a decent human being.

R134 what thoughts? lol

OJ was an idiot. He f*cked up the rest of his life by his murderous actions. He may have gotten away with murder but he still ended up suffering and in jail.

It took 29 years for karma to get him, but it finally did. Oh well, as they say: so sad, too bad, never mind.

Deathbed confessions?

R139 Wouldn’t that have been amazing?

Serving up Lenny Kravitz vibes in his youth.

R139 and R140, OMG. Yes! But as I think of it, the more we learned about OJ I think his insistence on his own views of himself as a victim, would block him from ever acknowledging his role in Nicole and Ron's deaths. His attitude would be she brought it on herself. So no confession. In his mind, he'd "moved on." He was a sick fuck.

R 120- What is connection with Dominique Dunne and OJ?

Trumpers on DL already trying to rewrite history and make OJ an innocent prick-Now A GUILTY DEAD PRICK.

I've started re watching O.J. Made in America on ESPN On Demand. It's free. Great documentary.

OJ swore to me on his deathbed that he was not guilty.

I see the "OJ is innocent" troll showed up upthread.

I hope it hurt.

What is Denise Brown saying about OJ's passing ?- ( for white)

Good useless cunt

[quote] after him if he wins the election.

What do you mean, R90? Stop projecting, please and thank you.

Unfortunately the cancer did it's job 29 years too late

It IS "fewer," R97. Stop advertising your ignorance.

Did it is job, R152?

R145 I've watched it twice also, it's that good.

I will never side with or root for cancer even when it takes out people that deserved it.

That said, no one's less. Enjoy your karma OJ.

Caitlyn Jenner has broken her silence on OJ's death...

CNN canceled Inside Politics to rehash this? After Wolf Blitzer just devoted his whole show to OJ and “my Buffalo Bills.”

That’s funny, R158, because that’s exactly what everyone will say when that tranny mess dies.

Khloe Kardashian's bio father is more likely Alex Roldan, a hairdresser who knew Kris Jenner, Khloe's mother.

I believe it would take an autopsy to confirm, but I've often wondered if O.J. Simpson suffered from CTE.

[quote]In final video ahead of his death from prostate cancer, OJ Simpson assured his fans he was in good health.

Lying to the end.

I am sure all the networks will preempt regular programming to air his funeral procession: a white Bronco moving slowly down the highway, followed by a long line of police cars.

No doubt he did, r162. Pretty much every ex-football player who’s been autopsied had it.

[quote] I believe it would take an autopsy to confirm, but I've often wondered if O.J. Simpson suffered from CTE.

He was a running back. They don’t get knocked around in the same way.

Yeah he was famous for running, hence the Hertz commercials. He was too fast to get knocked around.

I would think a running back would get knocked down all the time.

99 problems but a bitch ain't one

Liars get cancer!

Will he be buried in those ugly-ass shoes?

Donald Freed interview about the OJ Simpson murder case (1996)

Alternative theory of the Nicole Brown Simpson & Ron Goldman murders | Mezzaluna + Drugs

I am so broken and fragile with this news , 😭. This song gave me comfort.

Nobody got this on 2024 deathwatch did they?

r173 Occam's razor says OJ did it.

During the criminal trial, I met a guy at a gay bar who had golfed with OJ the day .... he flew to Chicago.

R158 Oh thank god Bruce weighed in. I was waiting for the judgement of someone who fucking also killed a woman and didn't even go to trial for it. Fuck him.

Kato Kalen must be unconsolable!

Looks like he finally found a real killer.

He saw one every time he looked in a mirror, R180.

Except for the murder part, Johnnie Cochran was 100 times worse.

.....

OJ, well to hell. Come sit by me.

^welcome to hell

R163 I am more confounded at the idea he still had "fans"

Having TMZ alerts is an unfair advantage in the race to break news on DL.

OP should be disqualified.

[quote] I loved the Naked Gun series, and for that, I will raise a toast to Nordberg and watch them this weekend.

Those movies are on MAX. A few nights ago, I was browsing through and saw them there. I remember they were aired on cable during their early 90s quite a bit and then disappeared from airings.

A toast to Frank Drebbin too R188! I'll be heading to MAX.

I wonder if they'll bury him in his lucky stabbing hat. 🤔

I hope he makes next year's Oscar 'In Memoriam' segment.

[quote]I was waiting for the judgement of someone who fucking also killed a woman and didn't even go to trial for it.

To be fair, killing someone in a traffic accident is not quite the same as stabbing them to death.

But he loved her very much.

[quote]She got on nerves.

[quote] But he loved her very much.

In just another bit of evidence of his guilt was how he continually trashed the family of the man who tried to come to Nicole's rescue.

One thing about OJ, he understood the ABC's. Always Be Charming. Say what you will, he was a charming motherfucker and everyone loved him. The cops were huge fans of his before all this. If Phil Spector hadn't been such a weird freak, he too could have been acquitted.

R187, I’m usually not around my phone or computer to take advantage of it. The last one I posted first was Betty White. Oh, and Kate’s recent video announcement, but DL was in prime time, so even though I didn’t post it quickly, it was the first thread.

Cancer is not the real killer. Cancer will be searching for the real killer once cancer has been acquitted.

Alexa announced it to me. Luckily, my boyfriend had already told me, so I was braced. Alexa didn't even tell me to sit down.

If it doesn’t fit, I must omit.

R38, Sorry to disappoint, Ethel, but he died yesterday, not today, your 96th birthday.

Listening now to Dan Abrams on Sirius. He covered the case, & credits it with starting his career.

“Caitlyn Jenner celebrated OJ Simpson's death today, tweeting 'Good Riddance' in response to the football star's passing at the age of 76, thirty years after his 'trial of the century' tore the Kardashian family apart.”

Caitlin Jenner posted on Twitter, “no big loss.”. It should keep its mouth shut. Not everyone gets to change their gender to avoid criminal charges for killing somebody with their automobile.

Fucking Norm was the best. "The prosecutors were given a 10,000 dollar bonus for their hard work in a lengthy trial. The office said it would have been even higher except for the fact that they let a killer go free."

There's an alternate universe out there where celebrities are paying glowing tribute to one of the greatest American footballers of all time, people are affectionately posting clips from the Naked Gun films on social media, and coverage outside the USA is minimal.

R204 We know.

A reporter asked OJ why he didn't spend Mother's Day with his kids, a visibly annoyed OJ said, "Idiot, I didn't spend mother's day with my kids because I killed their mother, duh!"

No comment.

But the Kardashian father was a friend of OJ's.

Good riddance.

[quote]Alexa announced it to me.

Hi, Christie Brinkley!

Rest in piss!

I'm still undecided.

[quote] Listening now to Dan Abrams on Sirius. He covered the case, & credits it with starting his career.

Dan said he never saw a case with more evidence against OJ. He also defended the prosecution, saying there was "no way this jury was going to convict this man at this time." He also said he became friends with Cochran & said it was clear from their discussions that he & all the OJ attorneys were convinced of OJ's guilt. The only exception was Bailey.

I'm watching the Zoey Tur (Katy's parent) interview on CNN. Zoey was journalist/helicopter pilot who covered the Simpson Bronco chase.

^ Dan said he never saw a case with more evidence against a criminal defendant than the one against OJ.

Dan is also saying that he's felt guilt over the fact that he built a career on the backs of the deaths of two innocent people.

Well, bless him R218. A million other people did too.

Dan also said there was "no way" Fuhrmann could have planted the glove. And he pointed out the juxtaposition of talking about the LAPD being inept bumblers, yet being masterminds of a cover-up.

The black community was happy that a high profile black celebrity on trial where for once the verdict was not guilty, as if that makes up for all the thousands of black individuals who were innocent but wrongly convicted, either due to poor legal representation or trumped up charges. Sadly nobody gave a shit about heavyweight boxer Hurricane Carter, either when he was wrongfully convicted, or when he was finally acquitted and released from prison 20 years later.

r108 and r109 OJ had a long, documented history of violently attacking his wife (and ex-wife) Nicole Simpson and causing severe injuries. Nicole Simpson told friends and the LAPD that she knew OJ was going to kill her one day, saying that if she were ever to be found murdered, OJ was guilty of it.

He was a hero.

Sorry, but a white male prosecutor would have convicted OJ

[quote]He lays out the mountains of evidence; rebuts the defense; offers a thrilling summation; condemns the monumental blunders of the judge, the "Dream Team," and the media; and exposes, for the first time anywhere, the shocking incompetence of the prosecution.

Caitlin has some nerve, R204.

.Bruce Jenner, one of the mid/late 20th century's most famed and commercially successful athletes, is all but forgotten today; Simpson, however, lives on paradoxically in fame and infamy

R21 Not just that, but OJ was not one of them. He may have been black but he was Brentwood, rich, country club, friends with the cops, etc. He didn't do a damn thing for their community and just went back to living the country club life when he got off.

^^Caitlyn (or however the fuck it's spelled).

Shit I meant to say R221, not 21 at R226.

Biden's press secretary totally blew it when asked about the death. She talked about OJ's family, not the Brown or Goldman family.

R226 Agreed. But the black community still saw OJ as a hero. Many held him in high regard even though he became a rich celebrity and married a white woman.

Oh I read all the books R224. If you believe that the jury was really just trying to make a point and acquit a guilty man, then Bugliosi couldn't have helped. I kind of believe that they just didn't want to convict OJ, no matter what.

Sidenote; damn it's crazy DNA was so new then and had to be explained. It's just par for the course now.

Jim Brown weighs in, posthumously.

[quote] no way this jury was going to convict this man at this time."

This gets repeated so much it's become an agreed-upon fact. But it's a lazy observation that assumes black jurors don't like convicting black defendants, demonstrably false, and it lets the prosecution off the hook. It's true that the trial should have been held in Brentwood where it happened. Why didn't it? Because the prosecution fucked up! Never the less, it was by no means a lost cause. Vincent Bugliosi said he's had worse jurys than that one, but the prosecution was so weak and inept they made it easy for a possibly sympathetic jury to acquit.

This was hashed out on another thread and i don't feel like doing it again, but I blame Marcia, Chris Darden and the entire DA office for this cockup.

The argument that the tight fit of the gloves meant OJ couldn't have done the murders was such bullshit. But it made for good courtroom drama.

[quote] But it's a lazy observation that assumes black jurors don't like convicting black defendants, demonstrably false, and it lets the prosecution off the hook.

Dan Abrams sat in the trial every day, so not lazy at all. And it's the POV of the Ezra Edelman doc. When race became the cause celebre, there was no way that this jury could go back to their communities having convicted OJ.

Yeah the glove thing was such a travesty. Darden apologized for it in his book. Again, if you're of the belief that no jury would convict him, the glove didn't matter. But even from my home in Palm Springs, I could tell OJ wasn't really trying to get the glove on.

[quote] I'm watching the Zoey Tur (Katy's parent) interview on CNN. Zoey was journalist/helicopter pilot who covered the Simpson Bronco chase.

I wonder if Zoey's former rival Dana Vahle will be interviewed by news shows.

Kato weighs in ...

Black tv pundits defending OJ -Didn't see that coming- He was a known wife beater which is a crime even before he was a murderer. We have no time for this shit in the era of Criminal Trump possible return to White House.

Let's not forget that

[quote]Brown wrote that she felt conflicted about notifying the police of the abuse because she was financially dependent on Simpson. She described an incident in which Simpson broke her arm during a fight; in order to prevent him from being arrested, she had told emergency room staff that she had fallen off her bike. She wrote about him beating her in public, during sex and even in front of family and friends. Of the 62 incidents of abuse, the police were notified eight times and Simpson was arrested once

Oddly, one of the better books about this was the Faye Resnick one, I think it's called Raging Heart. I read all of them back then, I was obsessed with this case.

I still fondly remember him running in the airport for the American Express commercials. I must say, he never lost his looks. Godspeed OJ.

WHET Faye Resnick?

I remember watching Marcia’s opening statement and I think she did a good job, over all. I’ve read Darden’s book and Bugliosi’s, as well. Darden just seemed like someone who Marcia got along with (yes, I think they were fucking), not someone who was bringing a lot to the table, trial-wise.

Bugliosi — what a windbag, but over all, I agree that it was simply the wrong venue. Bugliosi said that the choice of venue was Marcia’s mistake, somehow. Not sure how that works. In my jurisdiction, there is only one choice, besides federal, of where to file.

That lead-in to the Kato in R238's link was troubling. Talking about OJ as a football great & "onetime accused murderer."

Oh I bet it was Marcia's mistake. If you remember, Marcia wanted black women on the jury because historically, they sided with her and she won her cases with them. She fucked up big time thinking they'd choose her over OJ. I feel like she was happy to let Darden get dragged for the loss, but her moves in the beginning of the trial are what ultimately lost it.

It's strange how Kato is still trying to appear neutral after all these years.

I am a one time accused murderer R245! I'm also a convicted robber.

[quote]If you remember, Marcia wanted black women on the jury because historically, they sided with her and she won her cases with them. She fucked up big time thinking they'd choose her over OJ

HUGE fuck-up right there.

Truth be told, he didn’t meet Nicole for several years after he divorced Marguerite. But the first Mrs. Simpson complained bitterly about the women who would shamelessly throw themselves at her husband’s feet when they were out. She recounted one incident to Ebony Magazine where a first class flight attendant sat in his lap, with Marguerite sitting right next to him and rubbed his chest and neck. OJ didn’t even try to stop this from happening. He was enjoying it.

My memories may be playing tricks with me lo these many years later, but wasn't there some ongoing construction on the local courthouse that led to the change of venue?

I remember when the verdict was read - I was in my store and I had the radio on that day (anticipating the verdict) instead of playing music in my stereo. The only customers in my store were three young black men who owned their own law firm. They were good customers of mine - and so friendly and fun whenever they came in. They were choosing a gift for their secretary's birthday that day.

When the announcer came on saying that a verdict was going to be read, the four of us went silent and just stood there. When the verdict was announced they all cheered and back-slapped each other in delight. I recall I was just stunned and stepped away. One of the guys turned to me and said, 'You don't understand - this is a great day in history for innocent black men !' It made me see things differently.

It was a horrible day in the history of battered women, though.

Yeah, it's a tribal thing. Few blacks truly believed he was innocent, but they didn't want a black man of his stature to be convicted and go to prison.

r250 OJ met Nicole when she was working the Hollywood club The Daisy, a couple of years before he and his 1st wife divorced although it's fair to say the marriage was over by then, even though she gave birth to their last child in 1977 (this one who drowned in their pool as a toddler).

The celebrations at the murder trial verdict were the first time I realized (I was a teenager) that there was such a gulf between black and white people in this country over the criminal justice system, and in general. I remember being shocked that so many openly celebrated his acquittal, when it was reasonably obvious he did the crime.

Black women were not gonna convict a brother of slicing up some white bitch.

Imagine literally getting away with double murder and then committing armed robbery. I think he even tried to school the judge on the definition of "mens rea" in his pre-sentencing statement. I know "narcissist" is an overused term, but I think it applied accurately to him.

Ah the good old days. When everyone pretty much got along and we could all laugh at this. Peter, you moron.

Oh my lord, this is tense!

Your honor, I stand before you a widower.

Watching the O.J.: Made in America documentary on ESPN On Demand. It's a series of episodes, and as I watched it, I thought about Nicole and how it wasn't just the criminal justice system that failed her. It was her own family and friends. All the women and men who saw them as the "perfect couple" who said they never knew she was getting beaten, "because she covered it up so well" Women who were supposed to meet her for lunch or shopping or to do something with the kids and she had to cancel, but they never dreamed it was to cover up the bruises. And her family profiting from association with O.J.

The problem was the jury. Period. Because the prosecutors were tone deaf and ignored the context. After all the excesses of the LAPD, and the criminal justice system failing the Black community, getting someone like Johnny Cochran to represent him was a stroke of genius. Cochran had excellent credibility in the Black community. If he supported O J that's all they needed to know. To a lot of Black people, not all, Nicole was inconsequential. It was a sad commentary on our society.

[quote]His family posted it on his Twitter page. Dead from cancer.

In a statement, cancer denied any involvement and vowed to find the real killer.

For OJ junkies, Dan's show tonight on NewsNation will be devoted to the criminal case.

Yep R260. Her family especially. "We'd have whupped his ass the first time he beat my sister! If anything they would find some bloody gloves at OUR house, cause we'd kill him!"

[quote] Dan Abrams sat in the trial every day, so not lazy at all.

He may have sat in but if he thinks the prosecution did a good job he didn't know what he was looking at. Dude works at a Newsnation, how is his opinion on the prosecution's case have any validity?

It's so tragic that he tirelessly devoted the last thirty years to his search for the real killer, yet died without answers!

Fanni Willis should have taken over from Clark.

He had a hot cock, but he couldn't live forever.

[quote] Dude works at a Newsnation, how is his opinion on the prosecution's case have any validity?

Dan's also, among other things, ABC's chief legal correspondent.

Dan Abrams is not a lawyer, much less a trial lawyer.

Anyone who points the finger of blame on the prosecution either wasn't watching the case unfold or wasn't alive at the time.

[quote] Dan Abrams is not a lawyer, much less a trial lawyer.

He got his JD from Columbia.

I repeat, Dan Abrams is not a lawyer, much less a trial lawyer.

I agree R270. But even I have to wish Darden had not raised the glove issue. Having said that, I do believe there was enough evidence to convict him a dozen times over.

Here's that OJ charm.

Pay. Attention. To. My. Persecution.

From Washington Post comments:

[quote]At least he can rest easy knowing his wife's murderer is dead

[quote]Bugliosi said that the choice of venue was Marcia’s mistake, somehow. Not sure how that works. In my jurisdiction, there is only one choice, besides federal, of where to file.

It was D.A. Gil Garcetti's mistake, not Marcia's.

By motherfucker murderer.

Drive your Bronco straight into the gates of HELL, Cunt.

This pretty much says it all.

The NYT—always ready to commiserate with the victimizer—ran with the pathetic, exonerating subhead:

[quote]He ran to football fame and made fortunes in movies. BUT HIS WORLD WAS RUINED after he was charged with killing his former wife and her friend.

They seem to have gotten some blowback, because now it reads:

[quote]He ran to football fame and made fortunes in movies. His trial for the murder of his former wife and her friend became an inflection point on race in America.

[quote]Anyone who points the finger of blame on the prosecution either wasn't watching the case unfold or wasn't alive at the time.

Dumbass Marcia Clark wanted to pack the jury with black women. When have they ever given a shit about some white woman and her Jew friend who got knifed? And then there’s the whole “have OJ try on the glove in court” thing.

will he meet up with tawney Kitaen in heaven? or hell?

Purgatory. I've got a few more millennia to work through.

Good riddance!

Ya boy Jimmy out here, outliving celeb after celeb, living his best life...

R254 same applies to Michael Jackson

R285, that’s the most close-up image of Jimmy at Rosalynn’s funeral that I’ve seen.

Didn't realise Ron Goldman was only 25 at the time of his murder. Poor guy. The poster boy for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Walking those golf ⛳️ courses twice a day from sun up to sundown searching for Nicole’s killer, that’s love.

R244 the choice of venue related to which courthouse of LA SUPERIOR COURT.

Duh.

Has the morally bankrupt Faye Resnick weighed in yet?

I hope he left behind a signed confession.

She was nearly decapitated.

David Zucker, director of THE NAKED GUN movies, for the win!

[quote]“R.I.P. Nordberg. ‘His acting was a lot like his murdering: He got away with it, but no one believed him.’”

Dan Abrams.

R295 No thanks, Dan. We're good.

He’s spending an eternity in Hell.

[quote]Didn't realise Ron Goldman was only 25 at the time of his murder. Poor guy. The poster boy for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yes and for nothing. I don't think Nicole was Ron's type, if you know what I mean.

The Post Reports podcast did a great episode on OJ today.

R195, it’s been determined that she was already dead or close to it when Goldman arrived. He was an unfortunate witness.

Back in the day, golf gloves were made of thin leather, really fitted to your fingers and hand. I remember my dad having those gloves and it had gone through the washing machine. Anyway, those gloves would shrink up, but they'd stretch out, again, like a chamois cloth (for car washing, back in the day).

When I saw the prosecution asking OJ to put on those leather gloves, I thought that was a bad idea. I think if any of those people had been golfers, they would not have asked him to do that. OJ surely was not going to try extra-hard to get his hands into those gloves.

So nice to see you, I’ve been waiting for this 30 fucking years!

As soon as I heard it I thought 'Trump'. Two sociopathic rich men who abused women and got away with it.

Trump can't live forever. In fact, the obese 78-yr. old's days are numbered. But I want him to die a shabby death without a whimper from his fan- instead of the Princess Diana treatment he thinks he'll get.

OJ and Nicole a few weeks before her murder. There used to be a much longer clip on YouTube, but it seems to have been deleted.

Total fake acting. He couldn't shove them on because THERE'S ANOTHER PAIR UNDER!

That's a murderer. A charming, crazy, athletic murderer. He had been training for Frogmen and lost his mind high on cocaine.

It honestly was the best documentary I've ever seen.

OJ with Ruby Wax (who, come to think of it, I'm surprised isn't a DL icon)

The helicopter pilots who chased OJ transitioned genders.

Did you know if you were famous you could kill your wife and there is no such thing as 25 or life, as long as you got the cash to pay for Cochran.

I had a pair of those gloves years ago. Black. And I mistreated them. They got wet and dirty and when they dried they were stiff and had shrunk. I read that O J had stopped taking his arthritis medicine and his hands were swollen. But even if that were not so, the blood cake gloves would not fit him or anyone else. Stupid Darden.

Satan weighed in on the site formerly known as

Trump will fill the vacuum left by OJ's death.

R304 The look on Nicole's face at the end of that clip. Wow.

As R226 said, OJ was happy to become a country club's token black member:

[quote] Two members familiar with the process say that in the early 1990s, Arcola feared that it would be criticized for its all-white membership. So the club was quietly searching for a black member. [...] Simpson's membership nomination at Arcola, officials there say, coincided with a widening concern that laws might be enacted to force private clubs to find black members. New York State already had such a law.

[quote] "We thought it was a good policy to get ahead of the law," said one Arcola official. "Otherwise, you are targeted for bad publicity that you are bigoted and we felt Arcola was not bigoted. Plus we felt we were getting a great guy."

Happy to cosy up to people who would consider him "just another n****r" if he weren't famous. His solidarity with the black community was non-existent.

Simpson said something to his lackey about how everyone said Ron was innocent to return a pair of glasses, but he (OJ) went to view Nicole's house and looked inside and saw she had candles everywhere, lit for a rendezvous.

So he went mad with jealousy and went off.

I have a very dear, very old black friend who will occasionally clue me in to what black people really think about things and she has always said the two beliefs that are universal amongst black Americans is that OJ was innocent and Michael did not touch those boys and no amount of proof would change their minds.

Same here r306. It's the best documentary I've ever seen as well. It's over 7 hours long and every minute is riveting. It's brilliant.

Ok on Juiced serving fast food. He's such a strange character, a charming and likeable MURDERER!

He used the black community when it served him. Once his ass was acquitted he disappeared.

R316 yup. My ex is black and he felt exactly like this about OJ and MJ. He’s also a Trumper. It was like talking to a wall when he was presented with facts and logic by me. Needless to say it strained our relationship. I hope OJ had a painful death, but nothing could’ve been even close to what Nicole and Ron went through.

I knew a guy who really thought his son did it and OJ covered for his son.

Was your friend generally an idiot, r321?

The podcast You're Wrong About had about 10 episodes devoted to OJ, Nicole and the investigation/trial. I highly recommend it. Here are some things I learned.

OJ was physically abusive the entire time he was with Nicole

OJ was obsessed with Nicole post-breakup and hated the thought of her fucking someone else

The DA bungled the case by taking a very long time to question OJ and treating him with kid gloves when he was questioned

Rodney King was fresh in everyone's mind so it was very easy to discount anything the LAPD said.

The jury had a shaky understanding of DNA

The notorious Time cover that significantly darkened OJ's skin:

Dan Abrams is reminiscing about how his first trial out of law school and his first major tv assignment changed his life and put him on the map

Turn Dan Abrams on NewsNatuon talking about OJ. It’s interesting as fuck!

Abrams is saying that he's felt guilty for a long time that his career benefited from the deaths of these two people.

He also says the likelihood that OJ committed these murders is 100%

OJ Simpson was still a black community hero. Not to the level of Martin Luther King, or Muhammad Ali, or even Thurgood Marshall, but he was at least a very strong Tier B.

Dan Abrams is sweet meat.

That is the problem with heroes, they are all human, and can often let you down. OJ Simpson and Bill Cosby are the two most obvious examples of black celebrities people looked up to, but were not just flawed or misguided, they had horrific dark sides to them.

R322 no, just black

Criminal: The jury consisted of 8 blacks, 2 Hispanics, 1 half-Caucasian, half Native American, and 1 Caucasian female.

Civil: mostly white

You're never going to have true justice by jury in this country until you fix the racism. Or, juries should be made up of many different races. Jury demographics sound interesting. I want to look up the race of those on trial versus the jury and see if I can predict the outcome. I'm guessing the results would be very sad.

Wasn’t Star Jones also foisted on the American public as a legal analyst during the OJ trial?

[quote] I have a very dear, very old black friend who will occasionally clue me in to what black people really think about things and she has always said the two beliefs that are universal amongst black Americans is that OJ was innocent and Michael did not touch those boys and no amount of proof would change their minds.

That is not accurate. Black people are not a monolith. Black people who believed he was guilty also doubted that he could get a fair trial. It was truly extraordinary -- not necessarily positive or just -- that he was acquitted because all indications pointed to guilt, and guilt has never been a prerequisite for Amerikkka to punish or imprison a Black man. OJ is the most famous Black man to get white justice.

[quote]the two beliefs that are universal amongst black Americans is that OJ was innocent and Michael did not touch those boys and no amount of proof would change their minds.

How can anyone with two functional eyes look at Michael Jackson and think "that's a totally normal, well-adjusted adult male"?? Is it sheer stupidity or just delusional thinking?

Dan Abrams makes my penis hard

1. The Menendez Brothers and O.J. Simpson murder trials launched innumerable broadcast careers and changed the television news medium forever, similar in innovation and impact to Truman Capote's genrebreaking book "In Cold Blood."

2. You're a bit long in the tooth for imaginary friends, R316.

[quote] How can anyone with two functional eyes look at Michael Jackson and think "that's a totally normal, well-adjusted adult male"??

Nobody thinks that. We just don’t think being maladjusted necessarily makes him a pedophile.

Well said, R334.

R344 gets it much better than poster with a “black friend.” On the mark.

R334 corrected

… gets it much better than poster with a “black friend.” On the mark.

R334 R339 I also agree. OJ was a black man that was very likely guilty, but he bucked the judicial system anyway, and a prominent black man never got away with it before. It was like your favorite team winning the Super Bowl.

^ and he had Johnnie Cochran to thank for that—that’s what a good defense lawyer does. Full respect to him.

Showing Oprah live from the verdict in 1995. All of the black women cheering at not guilty

It just makes no sense, R342. OJ spent his entire life distancing himself from his black roots. And how does letting a murderer go free make up for the previously innocently-convicted? Wouldn't it make sense to celebrate an actually-innocent black man going free (which did happen, even then)?

Not sure this death warrants that much attention. Do we really have to revisit the entire thing?

R42 his kids were KIDS when this happened. They didn’t know better and were raised by him. He clearly is gonna say he didn’t do it and the kids will believe him. Jesus.

The fact I see illogical comments aimed at his kids WHO WERE KIDS when their mom was murdered is ridiculous.

OJ & Trump both devoted so much of their lives looking down on the people over whom they would someday command cult-like devotion.

To the poster who insisted otherwise, Dan Abrams is an attorney.

R76 it’s very well known black people were happy with the news because it was retribution for Rodney King and so many other instances of black people never getting justice for stuff that happened to them. For once, white people felt it and still can’t let go of it 30 years later.

R345 you’ve missed the point. It wasn’t about getting away with murder.

R345 he didn’t distance himself from his “black roots”. He was a black man. He just didn’t wanna be a stereotype and have a good image and show a black man can be great and good too. That isn’t distancing from his “black roots”.

I know Black women and Black men who believe Michael was a pedophile and O.J. killed his wife. But those tend to be younger people. They also tend to be more Liberal, more open minded. But I must say, that I have observed that too many people look at "the Black community" and believe everyone thinks or believes the same things . This is not so. There are a lot of conservative Black people, I'm talking about the old school of people over 60 now. The kind of people who are very entrepreneurial and believe in the boot straps. They probably went to Black colleges, and if not, at least they joined Black fraternities, and were jocks who admired the football player turned businessman.

These people were too young to be part of the Civil Rights Struggle. In fact, their parents wanted to give them a better life and more opportunities, and they try very hard to "act white." But they are not BFFs with white people. They interact at their jobs, but in their personal lives they are almost exclusively,socially isolated from White people by choice, and have no desire to seek them out. They are determinedly Middle Class and aspire to be wealthy, and have contempt for "ignorant N------" who are not well spoken or who act and dress Ghetto. To them, O.J. was one Hell of a football player and they put blinders on all the scandal of him beating his wife and killing her. Once he fell off his pedestal they stopped talking about him, erased him.

You’re not Black, that’s clear ^

I remember being on a lunch break at the student union in grad school when the verdict came in. People were jumping up and down, cheering like their team won the Superbowl. It was appalling and I had a WTF just happened look on my face.

R354 actually my father is Black. So yeah, I am, and I have always identified as such. Not mixed or biracial. Black.

OJ Simpson...GUILTY!! A double murderer who should have been stuffed into the electric chair 30 years ago.

Cancer didn't kill him fast or painful enough.

I remember the verdict moment vividly. I was roused in my bassinet by all the jeering and rending of garments.

I don’t think he did it. Ask Faye who did it…

Wow, R352, did you drink the Kool-Aid.

I guess this means he'll never have an OnlyFans.

So with the Goldman's finally get paid for what they won in the civil trial or will his estate go straight to the kids?

R362 I wonder the same. Off hand, I'd imagine that civil judgment becomes a liability owed by his estate, just like any other debts he held at the time of his death. Presumably, the debts would have to be paid before heirs such as surviving children receive inheritance from any remaining assets. Do we have any estate attorneys on DL who can advise?

Yeah, but most rich people dont let their money go into probate where it plays out like that. Usually they set up trusts long before they die that circumvent certain laws and taxes. Florida has a LOT of special loopholes like that. It's the reason so many wealthy people relocate there, to protect their wealth from legal issues they would not have in most other states.

The Goldmans were an intelligent family, and they kept it classy in the end:

[quote]Goldman's family said in a statement to ABC News that Simpson's death "is a mixed bag of complicated emotions and reminds us that the journey through grief is not linear."

[quote]"For three decades we tirelessly pursued justice for Ron and Nicole, and despite a civil judgment and his confession in 'If I Did It,' the hope for true accountability has ended," his sister, Kim Goldman, and father, Fred Goldman, said in a joint statement.

[quote]"We will continue to advocate for the rights of all victims and survivors, ensuring our voices are heard both within and beyond the courtroom," the statement continued. "And despite his death, the mission continues; there's always more to be done. Thank you for keeping our family, and most importantly Ron, in your hearts for the last 30 years."

Yeah, I think he probably put most of his assets in a trust, which would bypass the probate process.

His NFL pension was supposedly a decent amount of money. But I'm guessing he didn't have much money in the end. He was living in places like Las Vegas and Florida.

He had to sell his Heisman trophy. Stuff like his Hertz commercials dried up. He really became persona non grata.

R364 and R366 I agree, but I'd be surprised if there aren't ways that enterprising lawyers representing debtors wouldn't try to challenge using trusts to circumvent civil court judgments when the trusts in question are clearly set up for the benefit of a defendant for the rest of his/her natural life. Especially when there's a $33m, nearly 30-year unpaid judgment on the line. We'll see. Something tells me his death may reignite a pursuit toward final payment of that judgment.

^ R363

The cops framed a guilty man.

The LAPD was notorious within the Black community for pulling that kind of stuff back then. They did it to help “ensure” the Black men they arrested would be convicted.

Cochran played on that knowledge. There were indications that Marc Furman had done the same to O.J. Furman denied it, of course; just as he vehemently denied ever having used the N word. When recordings proved he was lying, the state’s case collapsed. The “glove” incident was just icing on the cake.

Despite overwhelming evidence of his guilt, the jury essentially said to the overwhelmingly White law enforcement structure: “It’s payback time. We’re not going to let you get away with that shit. Not today. You cops need to clean up your acts.”

It was the jury’s version of the Supreme Court’s Exclusionary Rule, on steroids.

Not a lawyer r363 but I know a little about OJ's financial situation. He basically ended the trial broke and spent the rest of his life living off a 200k a year pension from the NFL. The state that he lived in (can't remember if it was NV or FL) has a law that stops pensions from being seized to pay a civil judgement. AFAIK he was not sitting on millions of dollars. He basically lived like an upper middle class retiree.

[quote]“It’s payback time. We’re not going to let you get away with that shit. Not today. You cops need to clean up your acts.”

Did you ever hear the jurors interviewed after the trial? It really didn't go that deep.

[quote]Yes and for nothing. I don't think Nicole was Ron's type, if you know what I mean.

Did he prefer brunettes?

[quote]Did you ever hear the jurors interviewed after the trial? It really didn't go that deep.

Exactly, some people in the media are trying to white wash and rationalize the cheering of a murder being set free as some deep thought process in relation to the corruption of the LAPD at the time with Rodney King. You know, like all LAPD cops are corrupt, and therefore we cant trust the evidence. Except that there are two things wrong with that sentiment. First of all OJ was NOT treated like an average black guy, or average white guy for that matter. He was treated like a Hollywood Celebrity. Meaning he had a very friendly relationship with the cops before this all happened. The had been to the house before and always gave him benefit of the doubt.

Secondly, the idea that you should let him off because all the cops were bad is just as much a blatant stereotype as all black men are criminals. It's not how a honest juror should be evaluating an individual.

I just read somewhere else that OJ was fighting with one of his older daughters for not paying the rent on time on one of his houses in Florida. That tells me that he gave all his money to SOME his kids as a way to shelter it from paying the court order wrongful death decision. Why would they be paying his rent in the first place considering they were also unemployed and had no other source of income.

Like their Jim Crow-era Southern jury counterparts, I had as much contempt for the OJ jury as I do now MAGAts.

I remember when the verdict came down I was on my lunch break in the cafeteria of a big hotel in Chicago and the tvs were on…and all the black employees started screaming and jumping up and down like the Bulls had just won another championship and all the white people, myself included, looked at them, really confused and said nothing. It was kind of awkward for the white people but I didn’t really follow the trial so I didn’t care. It was certainly an illustrative moment.

Do you think OJ was ever with another woman again after the murders? Was there anyone that stupid?

He had a girlfriend during the trial, r377

The juice has expired.

Don't know how anyone can live 30 years knowing he brutally murdered two innocent people in cold blood. OJ was beloved in his heyday, and no one knew a sociopath lurked within.

R321, a friend of mine posted the same theory on facebook yesterday (saying she'd heard it from a friend), and posted it in a way that suggested she found it plausible. Is there any evidence that OJ's son was the culprit, or is it just based on the idea that he hated his (former) stepmother?

I don’t believe OJ would take the fall for anyone, including his son. Unless they were conspirators.

Would his son at that time have been strong enough to fight off Goldman?

Dan Abrams reflects.

OJ’s death got front page, above-the-fold, coverage in the Times.

I was in junior year of high school at the time. Our teacher had the radio on during class and I remember some football jock started cheering when they announced the verdict. Everybody else was kind of stone faced and shocked.

Oh well, it's gone, now all it's left to do is flush it.

[quote]OJ’s death got front page, above-the-fold, coverage in the Times.

Most British papers front-paged OJ, some very prominently. Financial Times and The Times chose otherwise.

He could have an average mediocre lawyer and the jury would have still said not guilty! Johnny Cochran just had memorable lines.

Darden was right. You're not with the brothers if you don't acquit OJ. Johnny was outraged Darden called it out because that jury is what was the biggest advantage.

R349 Dan Abrams has a JD which qualifies you take the bar. That's it. He is not a lawyer. You have to pass the bar to be an attorney and then you can, you know, practice law. He has done neither or it would be on his CV.

The way you keep insisting otherwise in spite of the facts is baffling and I no longer care why you need to believe this media man's lack of experience practicing law makes him an authority on the OJ trial. Lots of people were there every day.

You can believe the jury would have acquitted no matter what, although you can't prove that, but to believe the prosecution didn't make serious blunders is absurd. And Abrams' hand wringing 'guilt' over making a name for himself on a case of brutal murders is nauseating. What a phoney.

I think the prosecution's biggest error was in focusing too much on all the minute, infinitesimal scientific data that pointed to OJ's guilt. Yes, they needed to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that OJ was the killer, but they lost the attention of the not-so-sophisticated jury in the process.

I still remember one of the jury members being interviewed after the verdict. The reporter asked her about all the DNA evidence, the fibers and threads found linking OJ to the scene, etc., and the juror's only response was "garbage in, garbage out."

R391 I think Marcia Clarke even said afterward that they should have focused more on the emotional side of the case - the volatile relationship between OJ and Nicole, his physical abuse of her, his ongoing obsession with her. That may have resonated more with the jury than experts testifying abut micro fibers from coats and hair follicles.

[quote]Do you think OJ was ever with another woman again after the murders? Was there anyone that stupid?

Are you kidding me? He once told an interviewer years after the trial "I get more p*ssy now than ever". I can believe it, the groupie scene around him never flagged.

Yes, people are that sick and stupid.

I'd have driven over him several times.

[quote] [R349] Dan Abrams has a JD which qualifies you take the bar. That's it. He is not a lawyer. You have to pass the bar to be an attorney and then you can, you know, practice law. He has done neither or it would be on his CV.

R390, I'm a lawyer, so I know having a JD doesn't make you an attorney. All I can tell you is that I have heard Dan Abrams talk about practicing law before he became a journalist.

Yes, the prosecution bungled the DNA evidence making it too complicated. I don't think they even understood it.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned in all the fatalistic there's-no-way-that-jury-would-convict-opinions is this the possiblity of a hung jury:

"Still, on the first vote, one black juror and one white juror voted guilty. Now if you can get a 10-2 with an F-minus prosecution, you can imagine by extrapolation what would have happened if there had been an A-plus performance here. The jurors would have responded to it."

Well, DNA was in its infancy back then, R396. But even the prosecution had handled it expertly, it wouldn't have made a difference.

[quote] But even the prosecution had handled it expertly, it wouldn't have made a difference.

We'll never know will we, since they didn't handle anything competently, much less expertly.

If you haven't already, R399, I'd strongly recommend watching the Ezra Edelman documentary.

[quote] Yes, they needed to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that OJ was the killer, but they lost the attention of the not-so-sophisticated jury in the process.

I am not sure what you mean to suggest about this particular jury but EVERY jury is "not-so-sophisticated." That is why it is the job of the prosecution to make its case in a straightforward manner that "not-so-sophisticated" people can understand. This was 30 years ago. Unlike you, the sequestered jury was not privy to round-the-clock coverage and detailed exposition of the science of DNA or the damning biases of the media. Cochran was masterful in communicating with the jury and setting forth his defense. The prosecution was not at all masterful particularly in putting forth an avowed racist as its principal law enforcement witness.

I didn’t do it.

OJ was the distillation of evil. That’s his legacy. Think Hitler, Jeffery Dahmer, Jack the Ripper… Trump and some of his most crazed acolytes (Stone, Giuliani, etc) are close.

R400 I've seen it twice, what's your point?

That external forces informed that jury decision, R404.

This was never about the Prosecution's case or what Marcia Clarke should or shouldn't have done. IMO I believe O.J. was found not guilty the day Johnny Cochran became his defense attorney. Period. Johnny had street cred, and a history of fighting against a criminal justice system the simply did not work for Black people most of the time. What you have said about OJ not considered a Black man, but rather a celebrity who had a good relationship with the LAPD, etc. is true. To me it was the height of cynicism to hire Cochran. Here was a guy who ran away from his race and ethnicity his entire life. Here's a guy who had contempt for "those N......" in the streets getting their heads bashed in. In a way he seemed like a proponent of Ayn Rand's Darwinian perspective: Survival of the fittest, and he believed he was definitely the exception. He even talked about himself in the third person. He had all the justice money could by in his blue ribbon team of lawyers like Shapiro, Baily, etc. But the crown jewel was Cochran. OJ cynically used Johnny's history with the community and the LAPD, to get away with murder. Frankly he could have sent all those other high dollar lawyers home once Johnny was on board. Cochran sealed his fate. It underscored the difference between "Not Guilty" vs. " Innocent. "

R405 External forces were a huge factor. That's not the issue. The issue is whether an acquittal was inevitable. Nowhere does the documentary make that claim. Why don't YOU read something about the trial itself. Try this:

Outrage:The Five Reasons Why O.J. Simpson Got Away With Murder

“Bugliosi puts the blame where it belongs…His well-informed analysis is in welcome contrast to much of the insipid or pointless commentary about the Simpson trial.”

—The New York Times Book Review

“When it comes to the Simpson murder trial, Bugliosi establishes himself as the expert…. He throws back the shabby curtain of the “trial of the century.”…Bugliosi offers us his own summation. This alone is worth the price of the book…. No one who reads this book will ever again believe that the most publicized acquittal in the history of the American jurisprudence was solely the result of juror prejudice or the machinations of unscrupulous defense attorneys. The D.A. and the prosecutors have been called before the bar of justice.”

—Los Angeles Times”

“Overwhelmingly convincing…one can be sure, this is the best book that will ever be written on the O. J. Simpson murder trial.”

—American Bar Association, Section of Litigation, Appellate Practice Journal”

[quote]EVERY jury is "not-so-sophisticated." That is why it is the job of the prosecution to make its case in a straightforward manner that "not-so-sophisticated" people can understand.

This is correct. Most juries are unsophisticated. That’s why Cochran won the case with “if the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit.”

I have a couple friends who are lawyers, one moving from the prosecutor's office to being a defense attorney. And one thing I heard and never forgot, is that local criminal defense is usually pretty easy to win. Because cops ALWAYS fuck up evidence. Technicians, chain of custody, etc. stuff always gets fucked up. They're careless, sloppy, stupid. And Law Enforcement is so consumed with it's righteous position, they can't see any other perspective. I saw this last part in Marcia Clarke and Darden. Marcia especially made unjustified assumptions about the jury. She was prosecuting from a feminist perspective about battered women. Her jury was not on board. Marcia was tone deaf. and I can't even bother with Darden. He just plain fucked up.It was so elementary. It could not have worked better if Darden and Cochran had planned it.

I watched an excellent series by ESPN on OJ. I think it won a bunch of awards. It explored decades of anger in black community toward the justice system and the LAPD specifically.

Also interviewed OJ jurors which was interesting. Not one thought he was innocent but said prosecution didn’t prove case. They hated Marcia. Weren’t fooled by OJ struggling to put on gloves but thought Dardin an idiot for asking him to do so. They loved Barry Scheck (sp?)

I was pissed when OJ acquitted but completely understand black community cheering the amount of abuse they suffered from cops/justice system is outrageous. The cheering wasn’t for OJ. It was for fucking over the justice system.

In a separate point….i always felt terrible for the Goldmans but didn’t anyone else feel that Nicole’s family acted oddly removed? Prosecutors and Dominick Dunne hinted strongly that their behavior was odd and they were largely absent from the trial. The youngest daughter made out with her boyfriend in the courtroom at one point?

In 1990s the LAPD was seen almost like an extension of the KKK. Many blacks were framed or prosecuted for crimes under false claims and even manufactured evidence. So the black community was thrilled that OJ was acquitted, regardless of whether or not he committed the murders.

R410 yes, that series has been mentioned in this thread several times. O.J.:Made in America by Ezra Edelman.

The other problem was one of image. O.J. had a public image that was a sharp contrast to the explosive wife battering maniac. A lot of people a all races refused to believe that the guy they "knew" could do that.

R410, why did the jurors love Barry Scheck?

He sounded really smart, he was talking scientific shit, he was a nice looking Jewish boy who was defending O.J. with science. And his speaking style was not confrontational and bombastic like F. Lee Bailey or pompous like Shapiro.

[quote] Many blacks were framed or prosecuted for crimes under false claims and even manufactured evidence.

This is what was 'in the air' and what the defense played on and the reason the prosecution needed to acknowledge it head on, which they did not do.

Framing and manufacturing evidence are acts that can get a cop the death penalty. This is why Cochran never explicitly used the word 'framed' or 'manufactured evidence', he just implied it in everything he said and did. Defense knew that if they explicity accused the LAPD of these crimes it would sound absurd, so everything was a 'suggestion'. As another poster said, evidence collecting is always a shitshow of incompetence. That's not the same thing as manufacturing it.

Defense knew the ONLY WAY Simpson could escape the overwhelming physical evidence of his guilt was if he was framed--framed by 14 cops, some of whom were retiring, yet nevertheless risked their LIVES to convict a man whom most of them liked and respected. And this plot was hatched in a few minutes.

So what did the Prosecution do to counter this absurd storyline that was Simpson's main defense? Virtually NOTHING. It wasn't that Cochran was such a genius, even a shit lawyer would have used the same strategy since their man was guilty as fuck. But the Clark and Darden didn't or wouldn't deal with it, they were too busy apologizing for being there.

"Before OJ could graduate from USC, the university paid off two families of two blonde white girls that he had dated and battered. They had both gone to the LAPD to report it. One claimed he also sexually assaulted her in their relationship. The school had a vested interest in OJ going far in football and protected him at all costs. OJ had been in custody for 6 months and lawyers were in the discovery process for the trial and OJ's friend Robert Kardashian, who knew OJ from also being a student at USC, thought it would be best if those stories never saw the light of day. So a large check was written, given to my boss, and they left. I'll never forget holding that check.

Now, did you hear about this before now? Nope. That's how much power money enables. "

R365. The Goldman family may have kept it classy in issuing their statement regarding Simpson's death, but I don't have to...

OJ Simpson was a despicable double murderer who should have been stuffed in the gas chamber as soon as the verdict was read regardless of the outcome. Simpson was guilty. The jury was wrong, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves. OJ Simpson deserved to die a brutal and painful death 30 years ago. He belongs in the ash heap of history to be despised for all time.

R353 it’s you lumping all Black people together. No one else here is doing that. There are many white people who also feel Michael is innocent. There are many white people who do not believe that OJ killed. It isn’t just Black people. But your focus is always on Black people.

R416 "Framing and manufacturing evidence are acts that can get a cop the death penalty. "

With the blue wall of silence mentality and the ability to destroy, concoct or plant evidence, that is an almost non-existent scenario, even 30 years later.

[quote]There are many white people who also feel Michael is innocent.

No, there aren’t.

I don’t understand black people defending Michael Jackson. This is a man who spent most of his life trying to turn himself into a white woman.

R360 Kool Aid? No. His first wife of over 10 years was black. How did he spend his life “distancing from his black roots”? You lack an education. Stop discussing shit.

[quote] [R365]. The Goldman family may have kept it classy in issuing their statement regarding Simpson's death, but I don't have to...

The Goldman family has NOT kept it classy. Did you mean the Browns?

Did someone say Kool-Aid?

R366 ummm many rich people live in places like Vegas and Florida. Spoken like the true low class uneducated person you are. No travel. No culture.

The glove was planted by the police. It ended up backfiring on them. One of the neighbors housekeepers heard two men outside of Nicole’s house early in the morning a day or two after the murders. She looked outside and saw two white men putting stuff down and taking photos of it.

R383 strong enough? Was Goldman Sly Stallone? He was an average Jewish boy in California. Not even a WASP. Definitely not someone growing up fighting. Neither was OJ’s son but let’s be real, the average black man is naturally stronger than the average white man.

R385 ummm we know. If you were alive during the time there was no escaping this trial. Everyone knows about it.

The conspiracists here have taken time away from their MAGA duties.

R429, I think you’ve misidentified the poster.

The same housekeeper ratted out by another as being trained by the defense, R427?

There are so many things wrong with R428s post that I don’t know where to begin.

R421 yes, there are. You fucking low class retard.

Robert Shapiro said, in an interview, that OJ still owed him money.

With the mountain of evidence of guilt - more than many observers had ever seen in a criminal case that actually went to trial - you have to know that there was no convicting OJ before this jury when, after a nine-month trial, they returned with a non-guilty verdict in a mere three hours. And the post-trial interviews with some of the jurors only buttressed this belief.

They had a good discussion about the reactions yesterday and today on 'The View'. Interestingly, Sunny never really said whether she felt OJ was guilty or not, or whether the jury got the right verdict or not. She hinted at race, and turned the table to the Rodney King beating.

The others - especially Sara Haines - wasn't having her tap dance. I was impressed with Sara when she spoke out and said her first thoughts yesterday was with the Goldmans and the Browns, and especially those women who have been battered by their spouses like Brown.

Does anyone know where I can watch this much talked about documentary for free? They want 20 bucks for it, which seems excessive.

Are you talking about OJ: Made In America? It won the documentary Oscar

R424. I said the Goldman's and I meant the Goldman's. They have been classy and dignified in the face of having to deal with a double murderer.

The Browns protected that piece of shit, OJ Simpson.

R427. You are out of your fucking mind. Simpson was guilty. And no one planted the glove.

Sara is the best commentator, IMO, on The View. She appears like a frau. She doesn't hem and haw. Her brother is gay, IIRC. She said it very delicately, but she said that "some people feel" that there's a distinction between who you're attracted to / sexual orientation (lesbian, gay, bisexuality) and gender identity (trans).

R440 no, they haven’t been dignified. They have been after money nonstop since Ron’s death. Nicole’s sister even called them out on banking off Ron and Nicole’s deaths years ago.

R441 it was planted. Facts are facts.

Them planting stuff doesn’t mean he wasn’t guilty RETARD.

R442 Nico Tortorella painted her as anything but open minded in his book

R416 I do not disagree with you. But I still feel like no matter how the Prosecution did their job, even addressing those shortcomings you point out, the fact that Johnny Cochran was a local hero, who was someone that was trusted in the Black community, and had credibility in terms of his politics regarding LAPD, he would have carried the day.

Bout time.

[quote] it was planted. Facts are facts.

Ha. I heard Jeffrey Toobin say today that, in FACT, OJ was treated with kid gloves, particularly in his initial interrogation by Lange & Vannatter, who never even asked him to account for his day the night he murdered Nicole & Ron. And that followed the LAPD's pattern of idolatry.

The idea that Fuhrmann planted the glove is just plain nuts. How would he have known whether OJ had an ironclad alibi? And he's gonna risk his career knowing that OJ could afford the best lawyers?

Because Fuhrmann had a history of doing it. That’s well known and documented. Retard.

R446 You're certainly entitled to your opinion about that.

The reason I think emphasizing the fact that the prosecution blew it is because I think it's racist to assume that the jury would never convict. I don't think that's true. I think many, not all, on the jury were truthful when they said they felt the prosecution's case was lacking so they were compelled to acquit. I think a passionate, expert prosecution would have at least resulted in a hung jury.

At any rate, that anyone could believe it was a frame job going all the way to the top is pathetic. As others have mentioned, the LAPD liked Simpson. If there hadn't been so much of his blood flooding the crime scene and his car they probably wouldn't have even charged him. Like R448 said, that initial interview was a joke, Simpson fucking admitted he was bleeding on the night of the murders but HE DID'NT KNOW WHY. Then he changed his story days later.

Compounding the get out of jail free card was the prosecution not even using the video in the trial! How anyone could think this was a frame up with the LAPD so clearly reluctant to charge this guy is bizarre.

[quote] Because Fuhrmann had a history of doing it. That’s well known and documented. Retard.

Any history of doing that against wealthy people?! Moron.

R451 is a troll.

Lol, I meant R450. He's grayed out.

R410, I always assumed that the Brown family skirted around the issue of OJ's guilt because ultimately, they were dependent on him for a relationship with their grandchildren and niece/nephew. They were never going to publicly criticise him in those circumstances.

R454 he got grayed out because you used NUMEROUS accounts to FF. Muriel has been notified.

Technically, Johnnie Cochran didn't do anything wrong. Even the blatantly guilty are legally entitled to the most robust defence possible, and Cochran certainly delivered that. He was manipulative and misleading, but that's lawyers for you. I don't believe he was a decent man, particularly given his ex-wife's repeated allegations of domestic violence, but when it comes to the OJ trial? He was just doing his job.

He did his job moron. No one said he did anything wrong.

This is the problem we have even today with public defender. Most of them mean well, take less pay and try to present the facts assuming the judge and jury are reasonable people. The reality is that high paid lawyers usually run rough shot over them by appealing to emotion of the jury, simple antidotes like "must acquit" and showmanship. Facts are only a backup if they have them.

Judges and juries are not that unbiased to be honest no matter how much pundits say on TV. Just look at the Trump appointed judge Aileen Cannon if you don't believe that to be true.

Public Defenders? Mean well? They’re doing their JOB.

Yes, but Public Defenders bring a butter knife to a gun fight. They don't fight dirty like high paid lawyers often do.

They work in volume; they don’t have the luxury of devoting themselves full-time to one wealthy client.

R458, some people did, though. I remember people saying Cochran's death was karma for defending OJ.

In the Ezra Edelman doc, one of the jurors, a woman named Carrie, said that 90% of the panel - including her - voted to acquit as payback for Rodney King.

The cops especially Laing and VanAtter were terrible. And I agree initially the reason the cops went to O.J.'s was to notify him his wife was killed, but when they saw the blood drops on the walkway, and inside the bronco they thought they had a second murder scene. Fuhrman did not plant the glove. It defies logic to suggest he did.

Carrie Bess was the juror.

it was a shit show. The incompetence of the LAPD, the techs, the Prosecutors, etc. a shit show. And yes, there were definitely jurors who were not going to convict O.J. a national Icon, for murdering his wife. to this day I know people who insist Nicole was having an affair with Ron and O.J. caught them and he snapped. Seriously.

OJ could have murdered his ex & her friend in the middle of Fifth Avenue & not lose any of his supporters.

[quote] The reality is that high paid lawyers usually run rough shot over them by appealing to emotion of the jury, simple antidotes like "must acquit" and showmanship. Facts are only a backup if they have them.

OK, it's "roughshod," not "rough shot."

It's also "anecdotes," not "antidotes." Also, "must acquit" is not an anecdote.

God is a bullet, have mercy on us everyone.

R394, I would have bought her a drink if she'd gone through with that

One friend has a story(which I have no idea where he heard it) that Nicole would always “accidentally” leave things at a restaurant and the young male waitstaff (the straight ones) would draw straws to see who would get to return it and be “rewarded.”

Wonder if he'll be included in The Academy's In Memoriam, he did make some movies.

R473 I wouldn’t hold your breath. But it’d be almost worth it to hear a live audience boo his ass when his pic flashes on screen.

Man, the media is going to be dining out on O.J. for a long time. Now he's dead the libel laws do not apply. And you'll have former managers, girlfriends, cellmates, etc. writing books or bloviating on talk shows. Then comes the analysis in all the magazines.

I, snotty Ivy League PhD, served as jury on 2 murder trials in Brooklyn 30+ years ago. Most of my fellow jurors were working class and looking back I would not say they were morons. The judge instructs carefully what to consider. There were conversations to help the slower minds to stick to the judge's instructions and they were able to do this. Before the mid point of each trial it became clear if the case was being made to convict.

[quote] Before the mid point of each trial it became clear if the case was being made to convict.

What?

I remember the morning getting ready for work and The Today Show was on and suddenly Bryant Gumbel announced that OJ had been arrested for killing his wife. I was shocked. To me, what I knew of him was as a great athlete and someone who did Hertz commercials and some movies. He seemed likeable. But DNA doesn't lie.

[quote] Now he's dead the libel laws do not apply.

Truth is the defense to libel suits.

It's such a different world today. First of all, there are cameras all over LA now. Traffic light cameras, Ring cameras, etc. OJ's Bronco would've been caught on multiple cameras going to and from the crime scene. Also, the two people he nearly collided with in an intersection on his way back from the murders would've been texting/Tweeting etc. immediately that OJ Simpson almost hit them. No way that could be kept out of court. The two people were in separate vehicles and did not know one another at all.

Then you have all the 911 calls and domestic violence incidents. Unlike back then, the public would be well aware of them via TMZ and other websites. Things can't be kept quiet anymore. OJ's public image would not be the affable nice guy it was back then. The general public would be well aware of what an abuser he had been from many years.

DNA technology was still relatively new back then and the general public wasn't nearly as familiar with it as we all are now. Back then people didn't really understand it.

OJ would never be able to get away with murder today, it would all be totally different today vs. 30 years ago.

That's because money was the only justice available, r443. What's so undignified about chasing retribution after your fucking son has been slashed to death? It would be undignified if they didn't try to collect on that judgment. You're a weirdo.

What always baffles me, is how people are so shocked to discover that a famous celebrity is not the same off camera as he is on camera. I often read complaints from people who meet their favorite TV or movie personality and complain about how dismissive or rude they were. We feel like we know people we see often enough on TV. They're "familiar" to us. Trump, O.J., and tons of other people. When the facade drops it can be very jarring.

Cancer got him in the end which is no stroll through a meadow of wildflowers. So he did suffer.

[quote] What always baffles me, is how people are so shocked to discover that a famous celebrity is not the same off camera as he is on camera.

But - other than in his domestic relations, admittedly a big but - OJ was always said to be a great guy off-camera.

It's believed that OJ had just finished killing Nicole when Ron Goldman arrived at the scene. If that poor man had arrived just a minute later, OJ would've been gone.

That's the most likely scenario. Goldman arrived just in time to be a witness to the murder, and was killed for it.

People have this weird relationship with celebrity. As if when an actor wins an Oscar, or an athlete wins gold medals at the Olympics this puts them on a higher plane. Or is very attractive and fuckable. If anything for those that perform it exacerbates their demons. Those who are smart turn it around and get them under control. Then there are the OJs of the world. He beat the shit out of Nicole for years, and nearly everyone turned a blind eye because he was OJ. Her beatings were an open secret to anyone close to them. Celebrities bleed, go to the bathroom, and have the same, if not worse, insecurities and problems that we all have. It truly was a disgrace how he was put up on a pedestal by friends, family and the community before he killed her and Ron.

Watching her so called friends talk about it after it was over, all of them "had no idea" and I say bullshit. They knew.

How could anyone think he was guilty after giving such a candid, genuine, heartfelt explanation for everything in this interview after the trial? Everything he says completely seems credible and you are fools for not believing this innocent, vilified, victim of a man! Nicole beat herself and called the cops! The real killers were the drug cartel!

[quote] They had a good discussion about the reactions yesterday and today on 'The View'. Interestingly, Sunny never really said whether she felt OJ was guilty or not, or whether the jury got the right verdict or not.

Yesterday Sunny said unequivocally that she believes OJ is guilty. She is also a friend of Nicole's sister.

Grown men who watch The View are ridiculous.

When they finally threw the book at him.

^ Rough justice.

If I remember correctly, one of his lawyers had him take a lie detector test early on just to be sure he didn't do it. He failed. The lawyer still continued to work for him anyways because money is catnip to lawyers. He talked about the lie detector test years later.

R494 I think that was Shapiro? Or maybe before Shapiro came on board? I think it was before he was formally arrested. It was early in the case.

[quote]Muriel has been notified.

Wait, what?

Aw, you can all go fuck yourselves. IT'S SATURDAY ASSHOLES!

Simpson scored a minus-24 on the lie detector test.

R440

I think it’s OK to not add an apostrophe to Goldmans.

R485, he hadn't quite finished when Goldman surprised them. In the Ezra Edelman documentary on ESPN, I think in Episode 4, one of the prosecutors, older white guy, described how the murders took place.

In his scenario, O.J. parked in back in the alley, came up the walk, to the door and range the bell. Nicole, thinking it was Ron with her mother's glasses opened the door and she and OJ argued for a minute not long. He'd seen that she had the candles lit, and he went ballistic thinking she was getting ready for a romantic tryst. He hit her in the head with the knife handle and his fist and she went down, he'd started stabbing her, and Ron came on the scene. The Prosecutor said Ron had defensive wounds on his hands. O.J. had him in a choke hold at some point used the knife to scratch his cheek, .Ron was stabbed in the torso, the leg, and the neck deep wounds in the neck. While he bled out O.J. went back to finish Nicole practically beheading her. This is how he got both Ron and Nicole's blood and hair co mingled. He lost his hat in the struggle too. They actually showed close up photos of the victims at crime scene and it was pretty horrible. At some point during his struggle with Ron, he lost the glove. He had also cut himself. There was so much blood he left footprints in the blood. The murderer left, back down the walk way to his Bronco dripping blood and leaving footprints, smeared blood on the gate and when he got in to the Bronco. He dripped blood up the walk way of Rockingham, slipped behind Kato's apartment and bumped into the air conditioner, dropped the second glove, went around and into his house, dripped blood in the foyer, and had blood on his socks. For me, the presence of Ron and Nicole's blood inside the Bronco, mingled with his own, and Ron and Nicole's blood and her hair on the g gloves , and on his socks that they found at his house, did it. That blood evidence. Period. I remember my reaction. It didn't take a detailed explanation of DNA science. It was basic blood evidence. And the cut on his finger. He gave at least 3 different explanations about how he cut himself. So he and Kato went to MacDonald's, then he went to Nicole's. I did wonder about the Mezzaluna dinner. He knew they were going to Mezzaluna and he was not welcome or invited. But it is possible he did not think his kids were in that house sleeping. It is possible he assumed the kids went to Nicole's mother's house and that she was home alone waiting for her lover. IMO it was the grace of God, as my mama says, that kept those kids from waking up and discovering the horror.

It's a good thing her actual boyfriend wasn't there or he'd have killed him too. I can just picture it:She answers the door, she is surprised and upset, "What are you doing here. YOU have to leave, I'm expecting someone, etc. He makes some nasty remark about seeing the candles all lit ,,maybe she pushed him away and he went after her. I think he had already decided to kill her when he saw her at the recital. Someone on TV said he called Paula, his girlfriend, who was not home and felt rejected. But IMO he may have been trying to set up an alibi.. He had to settle for Kato and McDonald's instead.

R494 meaningless, in or out of the courtroom.

I knew he was guilty the moment I heard that Kato, the Akita wasn't found with the murderer's hand in his mouth. The only way you could kill an Akita's owner is if you were a part of the family. Which O J was

The defensive anti-white, anti-criminal-justice, anti-reason racism I've heard from black people since the murders - STILL - has left me with both understanding and an awareness that the US remains fucked.

The offensive and defensive hate speech committed by whites and others, the racism, the sense of irresponsibility, and the rise of Trump and his white and Hispanic hordes of zombie filth has left me with both understanding and an awareness that the US remains fucked.

Burn, baby, burn.

I'm surprised that his brain isn't being donated for CTE research. I recall some families of former NFL players were donating the brains in order to get proof of CTE so they could sue the NFL.

But the settlement money might end up the Goldman family hands, r505!

[quote] The defensive anti-white, anti-criminal-justice, anti-reason racism I've heard from black people since the murders - STILL - has left me with both understanding and an awareness that the US remains fucked.

I thought the fissures so patently revealed by the OJ case would have reverberations in our politics. I thought, though, it would've been more immediate.

We were discussing this in our family yesterday, and the sad fact is that our culture and society was not only built on a foundation of racism, it still has roots in slavery, which takes it one step further than other countries that didn’t loot Africa for slaves.

R508, it is really important for people to understand systemic racism and how it works. Racism, to put it briefly, is a system of oppression. Racism is not about whether you have Black friends. It isn't even about whether or not you yourself feel like you are a racist. In America the media always goes for extremes like the MAGAs and the KKK, and most people look at that a say well, I'm not like that so I'm not a racist. What the Black jurors were expressing and what Black people express in situations like the O.J. verdict is rage at a criminal justice system that has historically, been used to oppress, brutalize, kill their people. You can say that well, O.J. didn't identify as Black, but the irony, and I am not a psychologist, is that O. J. knew very well he was Black. All his bravado about "Hey, I'm just O.J." suggesting he was "post racial" was bullshit. In the circles he interacted with, the White business community, etc. you better believe he encountered the awkward, clumsy fumbling of people for whom he was the first "Negro" they dealt with close up. The fact that he was a celebrity, and a Football icon, made it easy for them, but they had pretensions of familiarity with him that allowed them to say and do things that telegraphed their attitudes up close. I saw O.J. as someone filled with rage. After he skinned and grinned and dance for the White Folks he'd come home and use Nicole as a punching bag. He was about control. On the one hand he saw what the very affluent white world had to offer, and part of him knew he could never truly be a member, he was there on sufferance. Ironically, in the end, he lived up to the stereotypes White folks had: Another violent Black guy who committed two murders, beat the system, but finally went to prison for burglary/theft.

R492 Here's a better one.

he's gonna be cremated. no way to know if he had CTE

Thank you, R511

R9, who aims her/its fat ass and shoots her sharts into scores of threads, shows her/its true nature with the hateful misandry of ignoring Simpson's also killing a man in his with savage force that night.

R9 is unwell.

After Trump, perhaps her/it, please, at least to flush her off the DL.

[quote][R9] is unwell.

And I take it r513 is irony deficient.

I once worked with a fellow attorney who told me that OJ was at his wedding. I don’t if he was a guest or a mere visitor. The father of my colleague’s bride was a football Coach apparently, having wide connections in that world, which explained OJ’s presence. After telling me about his OJ connection, this seemingly reasonable, likable, educated fellow then launched into a straight-faced defense of OJ’s innocence. To maintain workplace comity, I elected not to engage him on the subject. But I never looked at him the same thereafter.

R515, some people just cannot get past that celebrity image. He was "O.J." And if you're part of the football sub culture, he was a god, an icon. And oh, yeah, about that"legal problem?" Well, we don't talk about that. Hey, he wasn't convicted, right? He was "Not guilty,right?" People rationalize things so much it no longer mystifies me how Trump got into the fucking White House.

R516, this guy & I had previously bro’d out in our mutual bewilderment over Trump’s supporters. After he expressed his belief in OJ’s innocence, I thought that he should at least better understand the celebrity Trump’s hold on people because he was himself guilty of letting a personal connection cloud his own judgment. I wisely kept that thought to myself.

R515, I have spoken to attorneys and forensic psychologists who agree with the jury's verdict. These are not uneducated people or people blinded by celebrity. Linda Deutsch, the now retired legal correspondent for the Associated Press who attended the Simpson trial, says she would have voted to acquit because there was reasonable doubt.

I was taught never to say bad things about the dead, only good. O.J. is dead. Good.

I would have also avoided such people, R518. As I do Trump diehards. I know it’s a failing, but I don’t suffer fools well.

Reasonable doubt? Only if you were easily manipulated.

I should add, R518, there is a difference between making a case for an acquittal & making a case for innocence, the latter of which was the case with my colleague.

Linda Deutsch sounds like she was looking for some attention.

The Casey Anthony verdict (not guilty of killing her young daughter) was somewhat understandable, IMO. I do think she killed her daughter. However, I think the prosecution did a poor job of presenting a cohesive story about how it happened. Also, the Casey Anthony trial was where I started disliking "Dr. G," the forensic expert. God, her voice and presentation were obnoxious.

The defense attorney, Jose Baez, did seem inexperienced (and kind of dumb) at the time, but that case made him the go-to guy. He got Aaron Hernandez acquitted on one of his murder cases.

All that to say, I think the OJ jury was extremely wary to begin with and interpreted most of the evidence with an eye towards the police being corrupt.

If someone told me they though the OJ verdict was OK in that reasonable doubt could be found, I can accept that.

If someone told me that they actually though OJ was innocent, then I'd look askance. OJ ended up writing a book called "If I Did It." That, alone, should tell you something.

Deutsch @ R518 saying Dunne was charmed by OJ and hoped he got off the later charge is maybe the most startling observation at this early post-OJ point.

I can't forget hearing Dunne's anger and vehemence on some broadcast about his 100% certainty of OJ's guilt. And seeing his face when the momentous verdict was read out.

[italic]If I Did It[/italic] was ghostwritten by Pablo Fenjves. Simpson agreed to the book project but later denied having any input in terms of the book's contents.

The executor of O.J. Simpson’s estate says he will work to prevent a payout of a $33.5 million judgment awarded by a California civil jury nearly three decades ago in a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the families of Simpson’s ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman.

“It’s my hope that the Goldmans get zero, nothing,” he told the Review-Journal. “Them specifically. And I will do everything in my capacity as the executor or personal representative to try and ensure that they get nothing.”

^Yeah, there was no come to Jesus moment for OJ. He died as remorseless as ever.

[quote] I have a couple friends who are lawyers, one moving from the prosecutor's office to being a defense attorney. And one thing I heard and never forgot, is that local criminal defense is usually pretty easy to win. Because cops ALWAYS fuck up evidence. Technicians, chain of custody, etc. stuff always gets fucked up. They're careless, sloppy, stupid. And Law Enforcement is so consumed with it's righteous position, they can't see any other perspective. I saw this last part in Marcia Clarke and Darden. Marcia especially made unjustified assumptions about the jury. She was prosecuting from a feminist perspective about battered women. Her jury was not on board. Marcia was tone deaf. and I can't even bother with Darden. He just plain fucked up.It was so elementary. It could not have worked better if Darden and Cochran had planned it.

I have a cousin who worked as a paralegal for a prosecutor's office before she went to law school. She said that some of the cops she dealt with during that period were some of the dumbest people she ever met. Some of them sucked at conversations and they would take things that she or bosses would say out of context or they would conflate statements. My cousin said that were some cops were competent, but the fact that some of their colleagues were dumbasses always fucked things up. She also said that one assistant prosecutor she worked with was incompetent and difficult to deal with. She said that law enforcement and the justice system are grey and it's hard to want to root for cops and prosecutors when there is so much incompetence and other issues going on.

My girlfriend and a friend of ours worked in county government administration for several years. Both have said that the worst employees they dealt with were some of the sheriff's deputies who were just dumb as rocks. Their view of law enforcement is similar to my cousin's view, in that they have a hard time trying to root for the system when some people are too fucking incompetent. My girlfriend's mother is one of those "never question the police" types and she gets pissy as fuck whenever my girlfriend dares to question or comment on issues with the police. The mom has weird belief that cops "never fuck up." My girlfriend barely gets along with her mother and straight up said that her mom is too trusting or gullible when comes to law enforcement.

That lawyer of OJs is a fucking piece of shit. One of the morons who believed his so called innocence.

No, I found it in Aisle 10.

The reporter who said she would have voted to acquit was full of shit.And Dominic Donne was not onboard with O.J. Not at all.

Blacks will always support their own. It’s why their communities continue to be crime-ridden shitholes…because they will never rat out the violent thugs and gangbangers in their own neighborhoods. Those jurors didn’t give two shits that OJ sliced up two crackers.

533 you're full of it

Simpson...Fucking murderer who deserved the electric chair.

There is no electric chair in CA

^^ Well then, Simpson deserved to have his throat sliced.

[quote]you better believe he encountered the awkward, clumsy fumbling of people for whom he was the first "Negro" they dealt with close up

I call BS. You don't think most of his team mates were not black? Coaches? Business people? It's not like he was playing football in 1850.

Back then . . . Most weren’t

Not the important (ie moneyed) ones, anyway.

Exactly, R539. Buffalo is among the 40% of NFL teams who have NEVER had a Black Coach that wasn't an "interim" or temporary. OJ was at the height of his college football career in the 60's. In 67, 68. From 1969 to 79 he was in the NFL. He was legendary. one of the great football players. He retired in 1979. He played most of his career in Buffalo, and ended it in San Francisco. As for business, he was a part owner of Honey Baked Hams, and he was paid about $250,000 a year by Hertz. Forbes estimated his net worth in 1992 as about $10 Million. His endorsement deals with GM for Chevy, got him about $500,000 annually. He hustled for his money, and he did a lot of those meet and greet personal appearance tours for the companies he worked for. The top people who owned the companies, or the millionaire CEOs who ran them, called on him repeatedly to attend social gatherings so they could parade their "star attraction" and O.J. knew exactly what they were doing.

Hertz exec who chose OJ for ad campaign dies on same day as OJ

The look on Robert Kardashian's face says it all. This is not the reaction you'd expect from any defence attorney to a not guilty verdict - let alone one who'd been friends with the defendant for decades. IIRC, he was the only member of the defence team who knew Nicole.

Pretty much every Crim Law professor at Ucla, USC or Loyola had a gig on local or national news during the proceedings.

Here is my first year Crim Law professor Stanley Goldman…literally nothing has changed since I was in his class (1986!).

Kim Goldman said after the verdict was read, Cochran looked at her and mouthed GOTCHA. I don’t think she lied about this. Even if Cochran believed OJ was innocent (doubtful), what kind of sick bastard does this? Fucking scum pure and simple. Hope he died painfully from the brain tumor in 03.

He was a great lawyer. He did his job, and he did it well. That’s what we hope for in our adversarial system of criminal law. You are mistaken in your outrage —his personal views about actual guilt were irrelevant, as would be the case for any good lawyer.

P.S. the entire verdict process was live on TV—where’s the video R544?

[quote]where’s the video?

Drop dead R545

r541 Frank Olson was interviewed on the ESPN doc. He truly wanted to believe OJ didn't do it but then when the DNA evidence was made public he realized the truth. He was truly heartbroked over it, because OJ was a good friend of his. He cut off all contact and never spoke to him again.

[quote]His endorsement deals with GM for Chevy, got him about $500,000 annually.

GM wasted all that money on him. He’ll forever be associated with a Ford Bronco.

Heartbroken over it, not heartbroked!

Will this forum ever get an edit function FFS?

R545 the camera pans to the Goldmans after a moment when the verdict is delivered. I know you’ve seen it. He could’ve easily mouthed it before showing the Goldmans. Cochran did his job. What about him being a great human being?! It’s really the equivalent of him pissing on Ron’s grave. Hope he’s rotting in hell.

You have undercut that very argument. You’d make for a lousy criminal lawyer.

Set aside your emotions for a moment. I didn’t like the outcome one bit…but that’s completely different from understanding how our system works. If you or I faced a serious charge with potential for a lifetime of hell or worse, I—at least—would pray for a defense lawyer as good as Johnnie Cochran.

Speaking of Robert Kardashian, this is a weird story:

R551 I’m not arguing one bit his legal prowess. What part of he did his job don’t you understand? OJ got another near 20 years of freedom (minus the near ten he served in Vegas). He got what he paid for. The situation was fraught with high emotions anyway. You keep your fucking mouth shut and don’t even look at the Goldmans. They were grieving. You say or mouth NOTHING. But the motherfucker just couldn’t resist.

In your mind—there’s nothing there to support her or your assertion.

R554 i honestly don’t know why she would lie. When the verdict was read, he accomplished what he had to (along with the other ones), and the case was over. For OJ and his lawyers, it was party time, and they went back to his house. The Goldmans had probably had the worst night of their lives. I would’ve walked over to that table and knocked his teeth out. It would’ve been worth an assault charge.

It’s OK—you can stop now.

IIRC, the jury was sequestered and didn’t hear a lot of the stuff WE, the general public, heard at the time.

I didn’t watch the trial much since I was working when it was on, but people were constantly talking about it irl and on TV. It was hard to turn on any show and not hear about it or see it on the newsstands.

I don’t know what evidence the jury heard, but they thought the case wasn’t proven BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, which is what the law says.

I thought he was guilty after hearing the calls Nicole made to 911. But I don’t think that was ever brought up at trial.

One last thing. You see all giddy Cochran was when the verdict was read? While the other ones were stone faced. It’d be right up his alley to mouth something like that. With all his other theatrics he pulled during the trial. True piece of crap.

Just stop.

The look of shock on Dominick Dunne’s face after the verdict was read was telling.

I’m done.

Did any of the lawyers on O. J.’s defense team get paid?

Was Nicole considered attractive? She had a very masculine face.

R562 yes. He spent the good size of his fortune on defense. He lived off his NFL pension the rest of his life. The Goldmans got very little in their civil judgment. I’m sure whatever money he had left when he croaked is hidden in trusts and overseas accounts for his kids. His scumbag lawyer said he will see to it that the Goldmans don’t see a dime more. True prince.

[quote]The look of shock on Dominick Dunne’s face after the verdict was read was telling.

I had the same reaction as Dunne, our jaws dropped.

You have two heads R565?

Dominic Dunne had a daughter who was murdered by an abusive boyfriend. He got off. I can understand his reaction with O.J.

He got off on that stuff, did Dunne.

He beheaded his children’s mother

No, R568, I meant that the guy who murdered Dunne's daughter got off.

It was a joke…😵‍💫

R569 how many children’s mothers?

Nicole was very attractive as a young woman. She was naturally blonde, had a nice face + body.

R572 I will never forget that look on Kardashian's face.

Meghan Kelly's looks are similar to Nicole simpson's.

Not really, at all.

Nicole had the California girl thing down pat. MK not even close.

Where are they now?

Nicole was a big chick, I think she was like 5'11 or something, so she had a little bit of a masuline look. She then got implants to balance out her huge body.

I was just going to reread "My Sister, My Love" by Joyce Carol Oates again. It's based on Jon Benet Ramsey but the little girls is an ice skater instead of a pageant kid. After her murder, the brother is sent to a boarding school for rich kids with fucked up families and he falls in love with a girl who is clearly based on Sydney Simpson. OJ was in everything then, he leaked into so many stories.

I think she looked like a blonde Angie Harmon.

Yes R579! I always thought that too, and her sis Denise also looks like Angie.

What do we know about the guy Nicole was dating at the time, or just started dating. He was a waiter as Mesaluna, but what else? Was he a model? He gets murdered on the first date, that's some chick with some major baggage.

He wasn't dating her. She was probably about to get back together with OJ, honestly. It's been awhile since I read the books on the case but they were going to reconcile yet another time

Remember when Sarah Paulson used Marcia Clark to win an Emmy? Bet they never talk now.

R572 That’s racist.

It’s a joke about the previous poster’s poor typing. But you be you….

R563 She was very pretty. I think Angie Harmon in a blonde wig could have played her

sorry i hadn't read to the end of the thread when I posted

[quote]Nicole was a big chick, I think she was like 5'11 or something, so she had a little bit of a masuline look. She then got implants to balance out her huge body.

She was not big. My guess is she was around 5'4" to 5'5". Her height would have been recorded during her autopsy if you want to confirm this.

R423 watch the documentary about OJ…he really did turn his back on the black community when he became successful.

“Turn his back” is a loaded term…be careful there.

[quote] I can just picture it:She answers the door, she is surprised and upset, "What are you doing here. YOU have to leave, I'm expecting someone, etc. He makes some nasty remark about seeing the candles all lit ,,maybe she pushed him away and he went after her.

Except that's NOT what happened at all. Cool story though R500.

The animation at R591 doesn't show the victims struggling. The wounds on Goldman suggest that he fought the assailant(s).

R592 it shows that Ron was found inside the gate which means Nicole had to have buzzed him in. This disproves the popular theory that Ron stumbled upon Nicole's murder. The video shows that Nicole and Ron were attacked at the same time and killed at the same time.

How did OJ see the lighted candles around the bathtub that evening?

Wasn’t Ron seen driving Nicole’s convertible around Brentwood on occasion?

How friendly were they?

Not if the gate was already open. And how did the dog get out? How did the cops get in? OJ came in from the back. And there's a possibility he may have still had keys. Not sure.

I feel for her as a murder and domestic violence victim but she was not pretty. She was quite manly looking with a boxer's chin.

R596 The gate wasn't already open retard. Nicole let him in. Give it up.

OJ could've shown up first and Nicole opened the gate for him. The gate could've still been open when Goldman got there.

Bullshit R599. Give it up. I always thought it was the son Jason. I'm not alone. This guy wrote a whole book on this theory and it's pretty compelling.

Who cares? White men get away with murder all the time.

Almost forgot to post a part 2. See below. Just under the wire.