Arizona Supreme Court ruling effectively bans abortion

Shit.

There is a ballot initiative for which its backers say they've got enough signatures which will legalize it.

Info on how to sign/support it.

The new reality is that abortion will be like how alcohol and divorce used to be - something that many had to travel to a different state to get. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but I think people will adjust to the new normal. There will be euphemisms, like “I’ve got to make a trip to California”, and people will understand that means to get an abortion. There will probably be charitable or for-profit bus services set up to transport indigent women to abortion centers.

r4 Yep. And I hate to say it, but it should have been that way from the start. Roe was too much, too soon, leading to decades and decades of anti-abortion activism. And for what? We're right back where we started.

Katie Hobbs needs to use a more aggressive voice. She is 50 50-something woman with Valley Girl baby voice.

This is priceless. Yesterday Trump tried to distance himself from the abortion quagmire by saying it's an issue for the States to decide and today Arizona comes back with this medieval anti-abortion law. Trump's sly maneuver has been completely undermined as Arizona makes it clear what voting Republican will mean for women who want reproductive freedom.

Great for Dems!

And they'll be coming for the gays next.

[quote] Roe was too much, too soon, leading to decades and decades of anti-abortion activism.

Dodd is also probably too much, too soon, leading to pro-abortion activism. To find some sweet spot with abortion where everyone can at least be okay requires some kind of Fabian approach with gradual change to allow people to adjust to it.

Hopefully, the issue will be voted on in Nov.

Nice job, Republicans! Your delusion will cost you.

We need to put Arizona back in the Trump column.

[quote] . And I hate to say it, but it should have been that way from the start. Roe was too much, too soon,

What the Hell do you think of marriage equality then and desegregation of the races? Do tell us what time line equality is supposed to take in your superior view of social issues.

This is a gift to Reuben Gallego. If the initiative is on the ballot in November, AZ will likely see a surge in voting that can only help him and Biden.

Building a bridge to the 19th century

Barefoot and pregnant, what's not to love?

^ Senator Katie Britt

Katie Hobbs signed an executive order last year giving the Attorney General's office complete jurisdiction over abortion-related prosecutions. AG Kris Mayes has said that her office will not pursue such cases.

Yes, r19, but it won't help much as doctor's will still be hesitant.

Well, the "travelers" from Arizona are always welcome here in New Mexico for services.

[quote]Roe was too much, too soon, leading to decades and decades of anti-abortion activism.

Leaving it to the states isn't going to end anti-abortion activism, it will just fuel their quest for a national ban.

Sorry about the apostrophe.

Oh please, the states rights talk is all BS. Republicans will not stop until they get a total abortion ban everywhere (unless we stop them by voting).

New Mexico will be packed with women from Texas and AZ getting abortions

New Mexico won't be able to handle it. Healthcare in New Mexico isn't that great to begin with due to shortages.

Republicans hate women, that's all there is to it. If every woman of voting age would vote strictly Democrat, we would get rid of them.

Tell that to the stupid boomer and Xer Republican bitches who got their fill of abortions already R27

Next up: states’ right to ban gay marriage

[quote] Roe was too much, too soon, leading to decades and decades of anti-abortion activism.

R5, what are you talking about? Women were living under the shadow of illegal and possibly botched abortions or forced births for seventy, eighty years before 1973. What was too much, too soon about that? The problem has been, for decades, the pernicious political rise of the religious right.

For a country of “freedom”, some really like to control everyone and everything that doesn’t shit the same way they do.

Roe has been supported by 60% of Americans for decades. It's neither too much nor too soon.

Yup, keep dancing on that landmine, Republicans.

This will haunt the Repubs in November. In the meantime, it's all about The Supremes and the abortion pill. A true state's rights issue. The FDA controls prescription drugs on the Federal level.

R35, it was the uniform consensus among Court watchers that the abortion pill case will not be struck down. Almost a pity, since we could call the election off if it was.

Abortion Hut will always be open in California or New York.

Biden is behind Trump in all recent polls for Arizona, so this could be just the thing to energize Biden's numbers in the state.

I don't want to be "concerned" like Susie Collins, but might not the fact that the referendum will so easily win depress the imagined intense turnout?

[quote] I don't want to be "concerned" like Susie Collins, but might not the fact that the referendum will so easily win depress the imagined intense turnout?

First, it hasn't worked out that way yet. In all the states that have put the abortion question on the ballot, the pro-choice side has won and it hasn’t been close. On an issue like this, people want to express their anger and want to cast a ballot. Second, this year in Arizona voters will be casting ballots for the President and a United States Senator as well as the abortion referendum. Both sides have been saying that this is likely the most important and consequential election since 1860. Finally, while I’m certain that this referendum will pass and will aid the Democrats, I don’t think that anyone is going to be blasé about voting this November.

Gay marriage has a degree of protection under Federal law that abortion never had.

[quote] I don’t think that anyone is going to be blasé about voting this November.

Huh? More than 30% of eligible voters didn't cast a ballot in 2020. 2020!!!

Good. Keep voting Republican, and you get what you deserve.

R28, those boomer women have daughters and granddaughters.

Sure impoverished women can board the abortion bus to New Mexico and have it and their procedures paid for with donations but getting time off from their minimum wage job is difficult and who’s minding the kids back home?

I don't think the impoverished women will be traveling to New Mexico or other states. It's going to be middle class women who may work for decent employers who are fine with them taking time off and it will be upper-middle-class or wealthy women going out of state.

I shit you not the NY Times story today is "how this WON'T improve Bidens chances in AZ".

If there are any Arizona abortion ruling movies in development. I'm available to play Katie Hobbs. I just need to straighten my grey hair, find a pair of geeky glasses, and get rid of my Southern accent for a while. Also, my daughter Margaret can go down the geeky look route to play Hobbs' daughter in the movie.

Ruben Gallego slamming Kari Lake.

[quote]The new reality is that abortion will be like how alcohol and divorce used to be - something that many had to travel to a different state to get.

Yeah, like over 100 years ago. We had 50 years of legal, safe abortion access in the US and it was fine. A vocal minority of fundamentalist religious people and others with an agenda kept fanning the pro-life flames, but they are still a minority and their views shouldn't be imposed on the rest.

The question is, will Millennial and Gen Z voters get off their asses and vote for their futures this fall? It's still a looming question even with everything going on.

Those of you who seem to think it's no big deal to travel for an abortion are ignoring the fact that states that ban abortion will also make it illegal to travel to another state for one. So no doctor in a state where abortion is legal will want to deal with patients from that state.

The AZ state legislature could rescind the 1864 law any time they want. But they haven't. And while it's great that AZ has a Dem pro-choice governor, that is absolutely meaningless here, because NO doctor will perform abortions until that law is gone.

Sounds like the court is salivating for their chance to interfere in the POTUS election in November. I'm sure Trump has been 'making calls'.

[quote] I shit you not the NY Times story today is "how this WON'T improve Bidens chances in AZ".

The beginnings of Gilead.

WHET New York Times?

Democrats for Life of America needs to be slammed more in the media, especially Katrina Jackson. Read up on her.

I was raised Catholic and when I was a teenager in the late 90s/early 2000s, there was a woman at the parish I attended with my family who was trying to get parish members to join Democrats for Life. My parents are/were moderates who leaned left and they refused to join.

Katie Hobbs is Catholic and I wouldn't be surprised if Democrats for Life has ever approached and tried to get to her flip her views on abortion.

[quote] WHET New York Times?

Nothing. The Times isn't MSNBC; it's the "paper of record."

Please. The NY Times never misses an opportunity to shit on democrats

I hope this whole thing backfires on Republicans in Nov.

...and Fuck Kari Lake.

[quote] Please. The NY Times never misses an opportunity to shit on democrats

I recognize that I may be at a disadvantage here, but I AM a longtime Times subscriber, I religiously read the paper daily & this view is totally foreign to the Times I read.

The Times article negatively characterized ("I shit you not the NY Times story today is 'how this WON'T improve Bidens chances in AZ'") above. You be the judge if that's a reasonable assessment.

Pam Raphael pulled up to the Arizona State Capitol on Tuesday afternoon bearing ice-cold treats and red-hot anger. She had come to deliver an order of her frozen prickly pear and lime pops but was preoccupied by a just-released decision by Arizona’s highest court that upheld an 1864 law banning nearly all abortions.

“I am disgusted,” Ms. Raphael, 50, said as she walked toward a rally by Democrats railing against the decision. She added that it’s “nobody’s business” whether any woman decides to get an abortion.

The decision upending abortion care in a critically important battleground state inspired passionate reactions from Arizonans across the political divide, ranging from elation to disgust.

Some conservative voters and the state’s most ardent critics of abortion hailed it as a victory for women. Many Democrats, moderate independents and some Republicans said the Arizona Supreme Court had gone too far. But it was far from clear Tuesday that the decision would tip the balance in the November presidential election.

The critics said that the court, in resurrecting the 160-year-old law that bans all abortions except to save the mother’s life, was forcing a 19th-century morality onto a fast-growing state that is trying to sell itself as a hub of renewable energy, battery manufacturing and live-and-let-live tolerance.

“Leave it up to the female,” said Maverick Williams, 25, a retail manager who was walking his dog in the conservative Anthem neighborhood on the northern edge of Phoenix. “It’s her body, then she needs to decide.”

Although the court’s decision is on hold for now, Democrats in Phoenix wasted no time on Tuesday in blaming former President Donald J. Trump for gutting abortion in Arizona and other states by nominating the Supreme Court justices who were instrumental in overturning Roe v. Wade. They predicted an election-year backlash against Republicans, citing recent ballot measures in conservative-leaning states like Kansas and Ohio that enshrined abortion protections into law.

But voters like Mr. Williams suggested that it might not be so simple in this closely divided desert battleground. Although he opposed the state court’s abortion decision, he said he was more worried about the rising cost of living, and he called President Biden too old and unfit to serve another term. He said he would vote for Mr. Trump.

Outside a nearby grocery store, Nicki Auchter and her husband, Scott, expressed misgivings about both the abortion decision and Democrats. As they filled up water jugs for a soccer game, they said they personally opposed abortion but did not agree with the 1864 ban because it had no exceptions for rape or incest.

“I’m pretty pro-life, but I think it should be the woman’s choice,” said Mr. Auchter, 42, who is an operations manager for a construction company. “It’s her body.”

Still, Ms. Auchter said their top priority this election year was not abortion. It was “to get Biden out of office.” They said they worried more about the national debt, the soaring price of their insurance and the record number of asylum seekers crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.

Several Republican politicians rushed to distance themselves from the ruling on Tuesday and said they supported repealing the 1864 law in favor of an existing 15-week abortion ban. But Cathi Herrod, president of the Center for Arizona Policy Action and one of Arizona’s most prominent anti-abortion activists, praised the ruling and said it would protect “the humanity of the unborn child.”

“There’s a long way to go to establish a culture of life,” she said. “Today was the right legal decision.”

But in interviews across Phoenix on Tuesday, many women said they were aghast.

Crystal Padilla, 30, a hotel cook in Phoenix, said she still struggled to believe that the U.S. Supreme Court had overturned the federal abortion protections in Roe v. Wade two years ago earlier. She said it was hypocritical for conservative states and judges to impose new restrictions on abortion while failing to help low-income mothers who struggle to earn enough to live.

“What man on the Supreme Court is pushing out a baby?” she asked. “They can’t relate, and yet they’re trying to police other people.”

Ms. Padilla said she could relate, because she had an abortion when she was 19. She said it had been a difficult decision, but she could not have supported a baby shortly after she had graduated from high school.

“It still seems impossible,” said Ms. Padilla, who plans to vote for Mr. Biden. “I fear for people who are coming of age, and who are having to face this decision, and are not being given that choice. It’s just unconscionable.”

McCall Lemmons, 31, a special-education teacher for an online charter school, said she had been disappointed with Mr. Biden and wished he had been able to forgive more student-loan debt and placed more on education policy. But she said abortion would compel her to vote for him nonetheless.

The Washington Post - which generally is bothsiderism central - take was different from the NYT's.

Its headline: ‘Catastrophic,’ ‘a shock’: Arizona’s abortion ruling threatens to upend 2024 races

"A near-total abortion ban slated to go into effect in the coming weeks in Arizona is expected to have a seismic impact on the politics of the battleground state, testing the limits of Republican support for abortion restrictions and putting the issue front and center in November’s election. Cut through the 2024 election noise. Get The Campaign Moment newsletter.

Arizona’s conservative Supreme Court on Tuesday revived a near-total ban on abortion, invoking an 1864 law that forbids the procedure except to save a mother’s life and punishes providers with prison time. The decision supersedes Arizona’s previous rule, which permitted abortions up to 15 weeks.

Arizonans are poised to consider the issue in November, now that the groups working to amend the state’s constitution to enshrine abortion rights — which include the ACLU of Arizona and Planned Parenthood Advocates of Arizona — say that they have acquired enough signatures to establish a ballot measure, according to the Arizona Republic. Meanwhile, Republicans in the state are asking Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs (D) and the Republican-led state legislature to come up with a solution.

The developments in Arizona are part of a wave of state actions to reckon with the future of access to reproductive care after the U.S. Supreme Court, with a conservative majority installed during Donald Trump’s presidency, overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022. While several states enacted abortion restrictions as a result of overturning Roe, protecting access to reproductive care has broadly been a winning issue for Democratic candidates and for ballot measures that protect abortion access in the elections since the 2022 ruling.

As a battleground state, there is a lot on the line in Arizona’s looming elections. President Biden is running for reelection after winning the state in 2020 by fewer than 11,000 votes, and the race for a Senate seat in the state could prove crucial in determining which party controls the body next year. The balance of the statehouse is at stake this election cycle, too, with Republicans holding a one-vote majority in each chamber.

Polls show that abortion is a motivating issue for Arizona voters."

[quote] Yep. And I hate to say it, but it should have been that way from the start.

Like gay marriage. Oh, wait.

[quote] I hope this whole thing backfires on Republicans in Nov.

Unfortunately, it won’t. Republicans will vote to keep abortion legal and vote for Donald Trump. Abortion rights has bipartisan support even though there is a minority of cranks on the Right who want it outlawed.

[quote] I shit you not the NY Times story today is "how this WON'T improve Bidens chances in AZ".

It won’t.

Let them keep doing this. It will only make things easier for Democrats to win in November.

R66, Biden isn’t going to win.

You do realize who his opponent is, R67?! The poll that impresses me most is that more people are excited to vote against Trump than vote against Biden. It's 2020 redux.

R66, the lat them hang themselves strategy has worked very well, has it not? Meawhile outside the Democratic Underground fantasy land, Trump seems to be a lock for being president again. SO...

[quote] Trump seems to be a lock for being president again.

Maybe he'll finally crack 47%, a feat even that "loser" Romney achieved. But if he couldn't even get to 47% before 1/6 & Dobbs, I would be a little more guarded about his chances.

R69, according to the same polls that said there was going to be a red wave? 🤔

Given that the whole electoral history of the US in the past two years has shown that abortion bans are a major driving force for Democratic victories, it's a little disingenuous of the NYT to claim that the electoral outcome of the AZ decision is "unclear." Their cherry-picking of pro-choice Trump-leaners (R60-61) doesn't convince me.

R43, in 2022 all the Republicans running statewide in AZ lost.

This pisses me off.

R72, a post-Dobbs presidential election is uncharted territory, so past election results may not be predictive.

[quote] You do realize who his opponent is, [R67]?!

Yes, and he’s not as hated as Biden is on the Left.

[quote] Given that the whole electoral history of the US in the past two years has shown that abortion bans are a major driving force for Democratic victories

It’s Arizona. There’s no way Biden is winning there with that border crisis. None.

[quote] Yes, and he’s not as hated as Biden is on the Left.

Link, please.

[quote]There’s no way Biden is winning there with that border crisis

People along the border have a much different view of it than people in Iowa or Wisconsin or wherever you live.

As Joy Behar pointed out this morning, this new abortion law in Arizona is a gift to the Democrats. I agree with her - women will be coming out in force in swing states (and even red states) in November, and vote Democrat.

Thank you thank you thank you. Well done Arizona.

If the Dems are to be saved in 2024 it will be this issue and straight woman voters that does the saving.

Today, Republicans blocked Democrats in the state legislature from introducing bills to roll back the 1864 law.

So much for Republicans being against the law.

R79, I have that OP blocked, so I don’t see what they posted. But there is no way Biden is more hated by the left than Dump is. That OP is smoking something really strong.

DL has been invaded by Russian bots.

R78, Biden can get to 270 without Arizona. As we saw in Trump’s reaction to Fox calling Arizona to Biden, Trump cannot win without Arizona.

^for Biden

[quote]DL has been invaded by Russian bots.

They'll be here through November, r85.

Well R81, we'll fix that! We'll just roll back women's right to vote!

[quote]Today, Republicans blocked Democrats in the state legislature from introducing bills to roll back the 1864 law.

They said they will be studying the will of their constituents. The only thing they can do ( and probably will) is to overturn the "law" and say that they have heard the people of Arizona and will do what they have always done and will continue to do - abide by what the people say to do. " We are the only party for the people."

Will this law outlaw the abortion that is Meghan McCain?

[QUOTE]They said they will be studying the will of their constituents.

This tells me they don't have a plan and are panicking. Do they allow Democrats a victory in the legislature before the election now and raise the ire of the MAGAt base and potentially get primaried on July 30? Or do they do nothing and wait until November when droves will turn out to vote for the ballot initiative and sweep them out of office? Don the Con punted the question back to the states and kicked them in the balls on the follow through.

It'll be sweet to see whiny diaper filter baby KKKari Lake lose in November to Reuben Gallego. Bitch will be doing televangelism telethons with Mike Lindell this time next year.

[quote] Biden can get to 270 without Arizona. As we saw in Trump’s reaction to Fox calling Arizona to Biden, Trump cannot win without Arizona.

Trump can win without Arizona.

What will happen is specialists will lave the state, compromising healthcare services for women.

R95, yep. That's what happened in Idaho

The state legislature probably won't do shit.

Let's hope these bans keep coming. Great for Dems.

This law and similar laws in other states will affect every single woman in that state. Because every woman needs an ob gyn at some point whether they’re pregnant or not. Many women use them for basic health care regardless. But ob gyns will be afraid to practice in those states, and they will leave.

Mark Kelly on Morning Joe

Mark Kelly looks like he's lost weight. I hope he's not sick.

Damn you’re right r101. He does look thin. He usually has a round, chubby sort of face. He’s definitely much thinner.

OMG Mark Kelly is only a year older than me???

It's too much exposure to that Arizona sun.

The sun is essential to vitamin D production. He's not getting enough.

Assembly line crew in effect, it’s time to stimulate the economy with making more machines that go ping.

^^^Here is the new MAGA anthem! That’s just the way it is my love!”

People of Arizona voted these people in, so now they all have to pay for it. I don't care.

I wonder if sheriff Joe arpio ever had this conversation,

R108, I agree. And half of women vote for Repugs. Fuck them and let them suffer.

Kamala's visit to Arizona.

Arizona Republicans clap and cheer after blocking a Democratic attempt to ban the 1864 anti-abortion law

^ Dems need to turn that into an ad.

^ There are so MANY things they need to turn into ads.

I heard they’re going out bathhouses next!

I also like the idea of making an ad out of Trump saying, twice, “They’re not wrong,” at a rally last weekend in response to supporters chanting, “Genocide Joe.” Fox News regularly tries to tar Biden by the far left, anti-Biden, campus activists, but was (not so) strangely silent about this recent development in its backyard.

As a woman who lives part-time in Arizona, let me assure you that Arizona women are pissed off and fired up, even the GOP ones. My mom is a major campaign donor and is holding a fundraiser for Ruben on Friday. She’s on Emily’s List, Planned Parenthood and chaired the Dem party for the state for a while. The response to fundraising has been 100x what it was before the ruling. For those who say, “fuck Arizona,” please note that all the major office holders in the state are Democrats. Arizona will have two Democratic senators. And, in consigning Arizona women to a future without bodily autonomy, you won’t just punish the wicked women who voted Republican.

Yes, but those wicked women deserve to suffer.

[quote]Well, at least they can go to a couple of neighboring states.

That's what Scary Flake said.

Abortion will be on the ballot in Nevada, too

End abortion: Fuck Men!

I can take care of it with a coat hanger and some iodine..

[quote]I hope this whole thing backfires on Republicans in Nov.

[quote] ...and Fuck Kari Lake.

I hope so too. If Kari Lake loses, I hope that stupid cunt makes the decision to stay out of politics and live a private life.

If I lose, the election will be fixed!

Dump's already saying that too R124.

Who voted Kari Lake in, ghosts and goblins? Let Arizona women suffer, all of them who didn't bother to go vote, there needs to be pain before it can get better, people need to get angry but they just will not, all the fundraising won't help if you elect a Republican like they did with her.

R126, Kari Lake has never been elected to any governmental office.

[quote] Who voted Kari Lake in, ghosts and goblins?

Ummm, no one, R126. She has never held elective office.

" I really don't care if a woman has an abortion, as long as it isn't in my state. Pro-life? Yes, I am...in Arizona, but I don't give a fuck what happenes somewhere else. BTW, aren't I gorgeous?"

……but her EMAILS!!!!

Oh, Jesus, R126.

Every state office is held by Democrats. Governor, Secretary of State, AG are all Dems. And Kari Lake has never won.

R126's facts are wrong, and their premise is wrong, too.

[quote] Kari Lake has never been elected to any governmental office.

Not just that, but R126 also seems to think that the governor of AZ—which is what Kari L had run for—is responsible for the decision.

Trump needs to buy off enough GOP members of the Arizona House to override the state Supreme Court.

How will the far-right media cover the story of an "illegal" immigrant who rapes & impregnates an Arizona woman?! Talk about a dilemma!

R126 seems very current DL, rushing to share her outrage without first educating herself on what the facts are for the situation that she’s commenting on.

AZ House votes to approve bill to overturn the law.

These things work themselves out.

AZ needs to get abortion on the ballot for November, enshrine it in their Constitution like Ohio did. Wouldn't that be the Rethugs worst nightmare- in a state they hope to win?

[quote]AZ needs to get abortion on the ballot for November,

It's in the works. They've already got substantially more signatures than they need, and they have a little over two months in which to get more. They'll keep working.

I hope the law doesn't get overturned, and the abortion ban stays. That will fire up people for the general election.