Olivia Colman: I'd be paid more if I was Oliver, actress says

I wore gold. This bitch didn't even wear a dress that night.

Actually, she’s right.

She's not wrong. However, she's also not Olivier.

Take back that fucking Oscar from her!

Yeah, she's not insufferable. She's fucking right.

How do you manage to breathe with your head in the sand?

She looks like Annie Lennox on steroids

Did she ask Elliot Page for input?

Since shes most famous for playing Queens, if she was Oliver she wouldn’t be getting paid at all

How many women have to say it before we accept it as truth? I was embarrassed to learn that a very smart, hardworking female colleague with a family made $15,000 less than me even though we do the same job and she has 10 years more experience. As a percentage of our salary $15k is significant.

She's not wrong. I like her and don't think she's a big self-important type. A bit overexposed maybe, after the Oscar.

DL would've flayed her if she had been a black actress saying this.

She is a really good actress. The Favorite is one of my favorite films of the last 10 years. And she was great in The Crown.

Maybe she'd be paid more if she used the subjective properly.

Doesn't it depend on how much she's worth? Ask Meryl how much she makes. Is she complaining?

The first actors to make outrageous salaries were women. Audrey and Liz.

Well R14 it is very hard to believe that Claire Foy who starred as Queen Elizabeth, the main character of the show the Crown was paid less than the man who played her Husband. That doesn't make much sense. And I am sure Merly is paid less than someone her male equal in the industry. I am sure she is paid less than Tom Hanks. It's not about comparing women to women. It's about comparing women to their male counterparts, with an equal level of success and experience.

[quote] She's not wrong. However, she's also not Olivier.

She wasn't comparing herself to Olivier. She was saying if she was OLIVER (a man).

R3, she didn't say Olivier, she said Oliver.

She’s not right and she should thank god that she broke into Hollywood as a foreigner. She needs a better agent to negotiate. She’s not entitled to millions. Dumb bitch.

[quote] And I am sure Merly is paid less than someone her male equal in the industry.

Wrong. Meryl gets first credit and has the best agent in town.

R19, 50% of the actors working in Hollywood are foreigners. I am not sure what you are trying to say.

R9, that’s bullshit. The entire women are paid less is a myth that’s been debunked a million times. It’s a feminist fantasy.

Ahem.

You're as good as your agent when it comes to salaries. If she wants a better pay, then her agent needs to negotiate a better pay. But those top notch agents cost more, so she is probably saving money with the agent she has - and not making as much if she was 'Oliver'.

You get what you pay for.

Cough.

Math is hard.

Yes, R13, that must be it.

Even during silent era women made insane amounts of money and produced their own films making more. Believe me female opera stars were not going to let men make more than them. Callas was the highest paid opera singer in the world. Even DL icon Leontyne once said I am to be paid one dollar more than the fat man.

R22 and R24, I read both of your articles and it neither of them address the pay gap in Hollywood which Coleman is talking about. There is an obvious pay gay in Hollywood between men and women, it has been documented over and over again. It exists. A lot of it comes down to them not negotiating what they are worth and the studios getting away with paying less. But it usually always involves a woman of equal status of her costar getting paid less and not the other way around.

2018's highest-paid actress, Scarlett Johansson, made $198.5 million less than the highest-paid actor, George Clooney.

Michelle Williams was paid eight times less than Mark Wahlberg for "All the Money in the World" — and 1,500 times less for reshoots even though they have equal screen time. Michelle has five Oscar nominations compared to Mark's two.

Gillian Anderson was offered "half" of what her co-star, David Duchovny, was offered to return to "The X-Files," although Gillian has acted more than David since the original.

Charlize Theron was offered far less than Chris Hemsworth to return for the "Snow White and the Huntsman" sequel. This was just the OFFER. She negotiated to get as much as him and got it.

Ashton Kutcher was paid three times more than Natalie Portman, an Oscar winner and MUCH bigger movie star from Star Wars than Ashton, for "No Strings Attached."

Amy Adams and Jennifer Lawrence received 2% less than their male "American Hustle" costars. Jennifer Lawrence, an actual Oscar winner like some of her male co-stars was a much bigger Hollywood Star than her male co-stars at the time.

Then men seem to be offered closer to what they are worth and the women offered a lot less which they then have to fight and negotiate for their rightful pay. Men are not low-balled as much as women, probably because women are less likely to push back and their Hollywood careers overall are more tenuous - since their careers trade on their youth more than men, and they fear they are easily replaceable.

[quote]There is an obvious pay gay in Hollywood

There are plenty of 'pay gay' (aka 'gay for pay') in Hollywood - it's more than obvious, too.

How about paying that COW absolutely nothing, and see how she likes THAT.

Fuck her.

She's making millions already. Greedy sow.

If her name was Meryl Streep she’s also make more money.

Don’t talk to us, Olivia, talk to your agent.

It's so uncouth for rich and successful people to be bitching about their salary.

Especially considering all the other actors and actresses who are either out of work, or getting paid the bare minimum.

She should be grateful!

Especially for someone as old and ugly as she is.

R28 The male names were all bigger.

These women all had guys who were more famous or more popular than they were. Yeah, Thor was going to get paid more than Charlize, who never had a big box office lead. Ashton Kutcher was more famous than Natalie and so was David from X Files. I watched X Files only to just after David.

Like why would Michelle Williams have been paid as much as Mark Wahlberg?

I would be more outraged if, for example, Benjamin Bratt got paid more than Halle Berry for “Catwoman”, or Daniel Craig got paid more than Angelina for “Tomb Raider” or that Derek Mulroney got paid more than Julia Roberts for “My Best Friend’s Wedding” but those things didn’t happen lol.

[quote] Derek Mulroney

Oh dear, R35.

[quote] She should be grateful! Especially for someone as old and ugly as she is.

Such a mature way to advance your argument! No wonder you hold the opinion that you do.

There are two distinct issues here: general entitlement from being a highly paid person in the entertainment industry, and still being paid less (sometimes considerably less) than a man. Add to that it's a business, so a star like Sandler or Cruise will always be paid more. But to say, shut up bitch, or it's a feminist fantasy, is about as low-rent an attitude as one can have.

Oliver at least had the nerve to ASK for more.

Oleebia!

At the time, Foy was not as big a name as Matt Smith. That would have been part of it, though not all of it, obviously. It depends on the criteria. You'd think the actress playing the Queen would have got the best deal. Yet from a name rec valuation, it went to Smith.

Not THIS Oliver.

R41, that was ridiculous and when it was made known, it got fixed very quickly. She was THE fucking lead, FFS. That would be like if they paid Sharif more than Streisand in Funny Girl.

She's the white Viola.

Stinkfish!

Net worth of $12 million. Cry me a river.

R35 you do know that Natalie Portman is known WORLDWIDE because of the Star Wars movies. Ashton Kutcher is not even known in Europe. Her aggregate worldwide total for films as a leading, supporting, actress is $3,551,768,711. Ashton Kutchers is $1,084,629,818, less than half. Jennifer Lawrences films have made 6 Billion world wide. Christian Bale's movies have made 4.5 Billion Worldwide, yet he was paid more than her.

So I am not sure what story you are trying to tell about who is the bigger star in at least those two scenarios.

I don’t disagree with her, but at age 50 what is she expecting? She’s not a box office draw. Getting regular work is her reward.

I hope that Directors and Producers stop hiring her after this.

She sounds.... problematic.

Maybe if she were Olivier.

If she were "Oliver" she would have been in competition for a handful of roles and certainly would not have had the roles which have made her famous.

If she were "Oliver" I question whether she'd even have a career.

Christina Hoff Sommers is s stupid cunt. Quoting her is for fools.

Men are worth more because they complain less.

^ Was she in The Bangles?

WW x100 for R53!!

She is too old to play the part!!! If she was younger though she could just wear a boys clothing and talk like a cock knee.

She's well regarded in the business and is known to seek or accept roles no matter how small - see Heartstopper - because she is a character actor and is good at whatever she does - so I'm not sure she'll "suffer" for this.

Who?

If she was Oliver with that mug … no employment for Oliver besides the Innkeeper’s father.

Reading a lot of these responses, it's not surprising that many men still consider women inferior and therefore not deserving of equal pay.

Maybe knock em around a bit to learn em, huh, Sean Connery's ghost at r53?

Has mathematician Taraji weighed in?

Not on Datalounge they don't, R53

[quote] She's the white Viola.

[quote] —M

No, dear. YOU are the white Viola.

[quote] 2018's highest-paid actress, Scarlett Johansson, made $198.5 million less than the highest-paid actor, George Clooney.

For acting alone? Or for producing, his booze investments and those silly Nespresso commercials?

Details matter.

R13 was trying to type "subjunctive."

Colman is exceptionally talented, divinely funny and I love her, but her stance on equal pay is somewhat undermined by me by her status as a fully onboard, transwomen-are-women advocate.

If gender doesn’t exist, then issues like equal pay are undermined. It’s already becoming difficult to trust reports on female violence as a large number of “women” who commit violent crime have penises!

If she wants to be paid as much as a man, she just needs to identify as a man for contractual purposes. Basta! Problem solved!

I saw that as Olivier too. She already is paid more.

[quote] How many women have to say it before we accept it as truth? I was embarrassed to learn that a very smart, hardworking female colleague with a family made $15,000 less than me even though we do the same job and she has 10 years more experience.

How did you happen to find that out?

R53? Do you actually ever [bold]read[/bold] anything while you're on DataLounge?

And if you had the skill of Olivier you'd make more money too, you overrated, one-note simperpisspotpussypill.

R7 😂 You fkin beat me to it.

[quote] Colman is exceptionally talented

She’s not.

Another overpayed slob.

[quote] Reading a lot of these responses, it's not surprising that many men still consider women inferior and therefore not deserving of equal pay.

They get paid for work done. What you want is free money. Take your Marxist crap elsewhere. Equity is not equality. Women are not being underpaid. Men have much tougher jobs, ones that are dangerous, jobs women cannot do due to physicality. Women also take time off. They don’t negotiate either. That’s on them. Fraus can take their sob stories elsewhere.

If she was man I'd see her getting Paul Giamatti roles.

Gay men who fight so hard to defend straight male privileges never cease to amaze me. You're probably getting paid less than the straight guy with the wife and kids, because he's more important. And he also gets to take paternity leave, despite not giving birth. Why are you fighting so hard to prop up discrimination, when you're likely on the receiving end of it?

[quote] I was embarrassed to learn that a very smart, hardworking female colleague with a family made $15,000 less than me even though we do the same job and she has 10 years more experience.

Something is up here. Either she told you this, in which case you only have her word to go on and no proof that she earns less. Or you work for a birdbrain company that is willing to pay one person more for doing the same job. If she's just as competent as you, or more so, it makes no sense for a company to pay you more. That's certainly not in their best interest or her's.

[quote] Another overpayed slob.

Oh dear, R74.

Maybe people who are paid well can spell?

R75

Bad relationship with your mother?

Bitch, I would KILL to earn Olivia Coleman money!

[quote] not in their best interest or her's.

Oh dear, R78.

There seems to be a general pattern of illiteracy among the Colman bashers here.

[quote]Men are worth more because they complain less.

Less to complain about r53.

[quote]Michelle Williams was paid eight times less than Mark Wahlberg for "All the Money in the World" — and 1,500 times less for reshoots even though they have equal screen time. Michelle has five Oscar nominations compared to Mark's two.

Nevertheless, Mark Wahlberg was an actual box office star with strings of hits; Michelle Williams never was despite her Oscar nominations.

So many communists on this thread, wanting every actor to be paid the same regardless of their popularity/bankability.

I was watching the opening titles to GONE WITH THE WIND on YouTube and someone in the comments complained that Clark Gable was first-billed instead of Vivien Leigh even though she plays the main character.

Someone explained that by the late 1930s Gable was an Oscar-winning movie star with a massive following, dubbed the "King of Hollywood," while Leigh was a newcomer to cinema and in fact was never a box office draw despite winning 2 lead Oscars in her career.

She only made 9 movies after GWTW and stuck mainly to the stage.

The depth of misogyny on this site can still shock me sometimes.

[quote] So many communists on this thread

Oh MARY, R84!

That MAGAt cunt who continues to throw around “communist” whenever he receives pushback over his misogyny is so fucking annoying.

Agreed, R87--what a stupid cunt she is. What queen throws "commie" around anymore, except some closet case stuck in 1953?

I can't tell if the "Yeah, sure, how would pay discrepancies among coworkers ever be discovered?" posts in this thread are deliberately obtuse, if they were made by people who've never worked, or if maybe they work but are avoided by colleagues.

It's common for colleagues to discuss compensation either directly or indirectly. By not comparing your salary to others in your field you run the risk of being woefully underpaid throughout the entirety of your career. This is true regardless of your gender, race, sexuality, etc.

[quote] So many communists on this thread

Get the fuck outta here with your bullshit

[quote] It's common for colleagues to discuss compensation either directly or indirectly.

Yeah, and they could be lying. I had a coworker who complained to me how she was earning less than her subordinate. What she didn't know was that I have access to salary data, and knew that was bullshit. She was earning much more than her subordinate and as much as other male directors, some with much more experience than her. That bizarre lie certainly changed my opinion of her. I thought she was a "smart, competent" woman before that. Now, I don't know what to think. The point is you don't know what someone is earning based on their word alone.

OP, she's not insufferable. She's absolutely right. What, you can't handle the truth?

[quote]What she didn't know was that I have access to salary data, and knew that was bullshit.

Of course you don't know based on their word alone. But frequently in these cases the underpaid party (male or female) feels betrayed enough to start job-searching elsewhere, sometimes without even bothering to ask their existing employer for a raise.

You’d probably bring in more money at the box office too.

NO ONE is going “OMG we have to see the new Olivia Colman film!”

The feminine people and POC are completely delusional eternal victims now. It’s sad and wearing thin.

Take back that Oscar and give it to MEEEEE.

I'd NEVER let a man underpay ME!

She has crazy eyes, like fucking deranged.

No, she doesn't, R96, you fucking moron.

R97 is blind

I love Olivia Colman, and I'm far more likely to watch something when she's in it... she's amazing. Hell, she was the ONLY good thing about that MCU "Secret Invasion" TV show.

SSRI eyes

No, R98, I'm just not a fucking liar.

R101 okay you’re right. She looks completely normal and sane. 😳

Yeah, she does, R102. Just because you decide to cunt on her doesn't mean your bullshit flies.

R103 is Olivia.

Isn’t she allegedly a notorious sex pest? Like don’t let the young PAs go in her dressing room?

HA! Pure lies made up by R105. Boy, are you queens sad.

R106 Olivia, you’re needed on set!

At least I'm working and making $$$$, R107!

[quote] Actually, she’s right.

Actually, she's not and she has no way to prove it in her profession because actors are all individual contractees. If she had a way to prove it, I'd be on her side, but she doesn't.

Now if she had the exact same job as a man, with the exact same seniority and the exact same annual reviews and she was getting paid less, she'd have a point.

I literally can't get through any of her movies. I really tried with The Favorite but I couldn't do it. I might have an Olivia Colman aversion.

Olivia Colman: Box Office Poison

Maybe next time, little lady.

She needs to fire her agent. The pay disparity is real in Hollywood. Just because Streep has the best agent in Hollywood and gets more than anybody, that wasn’t always the case for her. Pay disparity is also real on Broadway and in News, with the rare exception of Maddow.

R113 Tom Cruise puts asses in seats. Why should the ladies make the same? Do woke victims understand basic accounting principles?

It's shocking that DL gets triggered by a female forcefully asserting her own worth.

My guess is the same people who are screaming for Olivia to shut up are the same "feminists" who are so protective of women's spaces and women's sports that they want all trans people murdered.

Her real name is actually Sarah. She only goes by Olivia because of Equity rules.

R115 Her worth is apparently only in her own head. You may think your house is worth 10M but if the market says ONLY 1M, then that's what it's worth.

"The market," sweetie, isn't some carefully defined, objective thing.

It's a farrago of prejudices and wishful thinking and groupthink and actual, real value.

It's naive to think sexism doesn't affect it.

It's funny how bigots always think they're the rational ones.

r35, the former examples are co-leads, your examples are the titular character and a character that isn't even #2.

R118 do you really think “bigot” and all your little go-to hot button words mean shit anymore? Outside the tiny echo chamber you desperately try to maintain, people are fucking exhausted by your bullshit and the tide is turning.

[quote] and the tide is turning.

MARY!!!

Miss Colman as Oliver

Any actress who appears nude in a movie and thinks the director is going to pixelate her lady parts doesn’t deserve a big salary.

She would get paid more of she were pretty. But she's fugly.

Well, then, by your logic, R123, Emma Stone should have made $50 million for Poor Things.

Liv luv, can we talk?

At least a thousand other girls can do what you do. I’m amazed you got this far because your voice is annoying and your fave ain’t all that.

Sit back and wallow in the fact that you’ve accomplished more than the majority of people on this planet.

And remember, ya can’t take it with ya, toots!

SOPHIE!!

[quote]people are fucking exhausted by your bullshit

MARY!!!!

[quote]If she wants to be paid as much as a man, she just needs to identify as a man for contractual purposes.

I find that really funny.

Agent: My client has rejected your offer. I should make it clear she identifies as a man for contractual purposes. This offer has six figured, but they're ovaries, not zeroes.

[quote] "The market," sweetie, isn't some carefully defined, objective thing.

R118 The market, pumpkin, is what determines your, pay value, period, the end. Maybe some day you'll wake up from your Utopian fever dream and grow the fuck up as we grown-ups had to do.

R43 I don’t think Claire Foy ever received the back pay for The Crown. The producers spoke about it, but Claire said she never received any further money.

She’s absolutely correct OP- you dolt.

After Claire Foy's brilliance, Oliver, I mean Olivia, gave such a sour-faced performance in The Crown. Colman's got all the skills, but I haven't enjoyed any of her performances except in The Favourite and The Father.

I've literally never NOT enjoyed one of her performances. She was amazing in "Secret Invasion". Terrifyingly brilliant.

Olivia Colman can't open a picture. Why should we pay her more?

[quote] It's a farrago of prejudices and wishful thinking and groupthink and actual, real value. It's naive to think sexism doesn't affect it. It's funny how bigots always think they're the rational ones.

And yet, the market has the last word, doesn't it.

Does it?

Like the market isn't comprised of sexists and racists and bigots?

Like the market isn't driven by straight white men in suits who own all the advertising and spend all the money to get things THEY like front and center for the rest of us, shaping society's "tastes"?

If you doubt her abilities, watch Season 1 of Broadchurch. She should have won an award for one scene alone, when she learns the truth. So raw. So real. Comes from nowhere and makes you sit up and say "Who IS THAT?", when you come out of a sort of shock.

R138 You're arguing pears in a conversation about apples, moron. What are you, 28 and still in college? Yes, the market (and the world) is full of sexists, nazis, White men and all those people who make your life a living hell but the topic here is, what determines Oli's pay, not "is the world full of injustice".

The point, which you are determined to avoid, is that "the market" isn't this purely rational thing.

It is subject, like all human endeavor, to racism, misogyny, groupthink, etc. To say that "the market" has determined Coleman's worth and that's that sounds rational and wise but is, in fact, silly and stupid.

[quote] My guess is the same people who are screaming for Olivia to shut up are the same "feminists" who are so protective of women's spaces and women's sports that they want all trans people murdered.

Shut up, asshole.

Someone struck a nerve with R142.

Yes, I hate stupid people, R143.

That must be it.

You would know, R145, you made the original stupid comment, and you keep compounding it every time you post.

I'm sorry you're so upset, dear. Have some tea.

Choke on a ladydick.

You hate trans people and you hate Olivia Colman for speaking up about her pay inequity.

Maybe you just hate things?

R141 Who said the market is a rational thing? You really are lost in your own woke diatribe, angel.

Side Note: I like her, but bleach blonde hair won't increase her payday either. How terribly unflattering.

[quote] Maybe you just hate things?

No, just you.

Justly so. She was never the fellator Larry was.

No, she's a fellatrix.

Sorry but what men and what women are paid in Hollywood have alot of variables that are extremely hard to compare. There are so many factors. For instance: Box office appeal, the amount of people you have to support, the amount of time on set, if you have to travel far away for locations, (this one is important), physical risks, the the salary you ask for, and again BOX OFFICE APPEAL.

So its impossible to compare when there are so many variables between one man and one woman. I am not saying necessarily that there is no pay disparity, its just its super hard to compare.

Also, she would be paid much more if she was young and attractive, but I see no one pissed about that.

"How many women have to say it before we accept it as truth? "

I have had the pay gap bs pushed down my throat all my life, I never bought it or at least I imagined it was super exagerrated and sure enough, time ended up proving me right.

How many times is someone going to respond with "she's not wrong" on this thread? If you think she's right, stop being a pussy and come out and say it.

[quote]R14 Ask Meryl how much she makes. Is she complaining?

She complained when they were first developing EVITA. The studio was going to pay Jack Nicholson twice as much than her, for playing Peron to her Eva.

She declined.

[quote]Maybe she'd be paid more if she used the subjective properly.

Or even the subjunctive.

Just a question: how do actors know what other actors are being paid? Is it part of the contract negotiation?

Oh, David Tenant is getting paid ten million, so Olivia will settle for eight. We can get Phoebe Waller-Bridge for seven point five and she’ll ghost write all the episodes.

R140 strikes me as not bright... someone who didn't get the point being made that he's responding to.

[quote]You really are lost in your own woke diatribe

And that's how we know you're a fucking idiot R150

Bitch, you are famous for taking Glenn Close’s Oscar and your morphine eyes.

Nothing else.

You look like you smell of cheap whiskey and sweaty pantyhose.

She was good in Beautiful People.

Maybe she'd be paid more if she were prettier.

Keep in mind that the British cast on acting ability. It's the US that casts based on looks.

Hence many people here stating that she'd make more money of she were more attractive. It's pretty sad and offensive that so many here think only good looking people - which is subjective, anyway - have worth.

It’s just Penis Envy

You would be paid even more if you were Elon.

I like Olivia, and surely women are not treated equally to men in many ways, but this popular whining about discrimination from privileged people is cringeworthy. All these black celebrities and now women and prince Harry who are surely among the top 5-10% of world population are so irritating when they play victims. I mean people are struggling with life expenses, unable to retire because they have no savings after life of toiling, getting killed in wars, and then there are celebrities who cry how they would be even more privileged if they had penis, lighter complexion, bigger tits etc.

[quote]I like Olivia, and surely women are not treated equally to men in many ways, but this popular whining about discrimination from privileged people is cringeworthy.

Especially because what is the average person supposed to do about it? If we boycott Olivia’s movies over pay discrimination, then her value will go down.

I’m at a loss as to what these women expect to gain from complaining to the general public.

R165 "Keep in mind that the British cast on acting ability. It's the US that casts based on looks."

HA HA HA HA HA HA FUCKING HA

And I highly doubt OC only does british film or looks at british offers.

". It's pretty sad and offensive that so many here think only good looking people - which is subjective, anyway - have worth."

Are you dim? I said that's how THEY think, not how I do.

R170

Huh?

In an entire thread about a British actress and her looks, you decided that I was responding only to you in particular, when, in fact, you could consider that I was supporting what you posted?

Who pissed in your corn flakes?

Miss Olivia needs to think. The Brits are currently crazy over diversity. She might find her roles going to a black or Indian woman (which should have been the case with Miss Havisham in that off brand Great Expectations). After all, Anne Boleyn was recently played by a black woman. And all the tv shows are now employing actors who have visible physical disabilities.

On “Call the Midwife” Judy Parfitt is the most talented person on that show. But I bet Vanessa Redgrave gets paid more for her 30 second voiceover than Judy does for her portrayal of an elderly nun with dementia.

And Dr. Turner probably gets more because he’s married to one of the producers.

R172 most of the world is going crazy over diversity, it not just a British thing.