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Yale Oncologist Helps Explain Kate's Statement

From paywalled NYT article:

Although it is not known what type of cancer Princess Catherine has, oncologists say that what she described in her public statement that was released on Friday — discovering a cancer during another procedure, in this case a “major abdominal surgery” — is all too common.

“Unfortunately, so much of the cancer we diagnose is unexpected,” said Dr. Elena Ratner, a gynecologic oncologist at Yale Cancer Center who has diagnosed many patients with ovarian cancer, uterine cancer and cancers of the lining of the uterus.

Without speculating on Catherine’s procedure, Dr. Ratner described situations in which women will go in for surgery for endometriosis, a condition in which tissue similar to the lining of the uterus is found elsewhere in the abdomen. Often, Dr. Ratner says, the assumption is that the endometriosis has appeared on an ovary and caused a benign ovarian cyst. But one to two weeks later, when the supposedly benign tissue has been studied, pathologists report that they found cancer.

In the statement, Princess Catherine said she was is getting “a course of preventive chemotherapy.” That, too, is common. In medical settings, it is usually called adjuvant chemotherapy. Dr. Eric Winer, director of the Yale Cancer Center, said that with adjuvant chemotherapy, “the hope is that this will prevent further problems” and avoid a recurrence of the cancer.

It also means that “you removed everything” that was visible with surgery, said Dr. Michael Birrer, director of the Winthrop P. Rockefeller Cancer Institute at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences. “You can’t see the cancer,” he added, because microscopic cancer cells may be left behind. The chemotherapy is a way to attack microscopic disease, he explained.

by Anonymousreply 158March 28, 2024 3:23 AM

It's a female cancer of some kind due to hormones to increase egg production. Common when trying to have kids late in life. Will the shitbag fantacsists please STFU now?

by Anonymousreply 1March 23, 2024 2:06 PM

Let’s just say “lady problems,” please.

by Anonymousreply 2March 23, 2024 2:21 PM

R1, I agree about the STFU but you are adding an additional pure speculation about the cause being hormone fertility treatment. Take your own advice.

by Anonymousreply 3March 23, 2024 2:26 PM

Thank you very much OP. That was very helpful to a fuller understanding about what may be happening with Catherine.

by Anonymousreply 4March 23, 2024 2:32 PM

This thread caused me too look at an illustration and those fallopian tubes are some Alien shit.

by Anonymousreply 5March 23, 2024 2:32 PM

[quote] Dr. Elena Ratner, a gynecologic oncologist

Could you imagine looking at cancerous bajinas all day?

by Anonymousreply 6March 23, 2024 2:34 PM

So it makes sense why she called in "preventative", adjuvant not being a word that most people will know. Sorry, Sanjay. It also makes some sense of her statement that she is well.

by Anonymousreply 7March 23, 2024 2:39 PM

Kate has demonstrated herself to be duplicitous, so take anything from her with a grain of salt.

by Anonymousreply 8March 23, 2024 2:45 PM

My mom recently had her vagina removed because precancerous cells were found in there.

It’s a mysterious abyss as far as I’m concerned

by Anonymousreply 9March 23, 2024 2:57 PM

No more babies for Kate.

by Anonymousreply 10March 23, 2024 3:08 PM

Three is more than enough. Unless they all turn out to be as gay as Christmas. In which case, yikes. I'm sure MM is hoping just for that eventuality.

by Anonymousreply 11March 23, 2024 3:15 PM

Do you imagine gays monarchs can’t have children?

You be surprised what you can accomplish if you close your eyes and think of England.

by Anonymousreply 12March 23, 2024 3:19 PM

R12, Charlotte, as you well know, you and your brothers would not have to have children to assume the throne. I think MM would still be out of luck even then.

by Anonymousreply 13March 23, 2024 3:26 PM

Before I started chemo, my oncologist asked me if I wanted to freeze my sperm because it would get nuked in the process and so any kiddies I'd have would end up being fucked up five different ways. Obviously, as the chronic homosexual that I am, I just laughed in her face for one minute straight before declining the offer.

by Anonymousreply 14March 23, 2024 3:27 PM

Meghan may hope that her children or grandchildren would assume the throne if the Wales children don’t have children.

by Anonymousreply 15March 23, 2024 3:34 PM

How would you like your personal privates to be a public discussion around the world. And then dealing with your prognosis at the same time. I really feel for her.

by Anonymousreply 16March 23, 2024 3:38 PM

R15, no problem in wishing on extreme longshots but even Suits II seems more likely.

by Anonymousreply 17March 23, 2024 3:39 PM

R2, that’s redundant!

by Anonymousreply 18March 23, 2024 3:43 PM

People talking about my having cancer wouldn’t trouble me at all.

Cancer is nothing to be ashamed of.

I think some people still consider it shameful.

When I was a kid they used to whisper the word.

by Anonymousreply 19March 23, 2024 3:45 PM

Not everyone is comfortable talking about illnesses and treatment which is deeply personal so there is nothing wrong with wanting to keep it private especially if you are a public figure coming to terms with the diagnosis.

by Anonymousreply 20March 23, 2024 5:06 PM

You think public figures have a special claim to privacy? I’d argue the exact opposite. Especially when the person in question chose to be a public figure.

by Anonymousreply 21March 23, 2024 5:23 PM

What is a public figure? Someone, who through their work, is known to the public. What about that obligates them to share every aspect of their life, R21? You're arguing the opposite. Argue it.

by Anonymousreply 22March 23, 2024 5:47 PM

R19 and others. Have you heard of HIPPA? At least in the US, it was considered necessary to pass a law to protect the privacy of personal medical information. So much for let it all hang out.

by Anonymousreply 23March 23, 2024 5:48 PM

Me, too, r16. It seems to me that she’s been having issues for a while and was probably a bit scared of actually knowing.

Then, trying to explain it to her kids, figure out her options as the entire world bangs on her door demanding to know why she won’t show herself.

She probably felt like shit physically and emotionally. I’m by no means a royalist or even give a shit about the royals. But I do have sympathy for anyone who has cancer and small kids to deal with. It’s a lot of stress.

I hope she fully recovers.

by Anonymousreply 24March 23, 2024 5:58 PM

[quote] Have you heard of HIPPA

Nobody has.

But they’ve heard of HIPAA.

by Anonymousreply 25March 23, 2024 6:12 PM

[quote] [R19] and others. Have you heard of HIPPA?

No. I have heard of HIPAA. It has NOTHING to do with whether the Princess of Wales should talk about her illness.

by Anonymousreply 26March 23, 2024 6:13 PM

Hipppa Middleton? Unkind and wide of the mark. She's skinny.

by Anonymousreply 27March 23, 2024 6:17 PM

OK, it’s HIPAA and it protects electronically stored medical records. But it is relevant in showing the legal confidentiality of medical records. Certainly, a person can talk about their own medical condition but whether they do and how they divulge is their business. Even our Presidents only give out the standard “hale and hearty-fit for duty” report.

by Anonymousreply 28March 23, 2024 6:41 PM

R22, The fact that they are public-tax-supported and supplied with their "necessities of life" inside castles and palaces; driven in town cars and horse carriages; baptized, married, and buried in cathedrals, while in-between adorned in crown jewels; and forever part of history, precludes the BRF from fitting your description.

They are not "known through their work"!

Privacy is for private citizens, including celebrities who earn their keep. It is not for a nation's leaders, elected or, especially, unelected.

And I am an Anglophile!

by Anonymousreply 29March 23, 2024 6:43 PM

I had part of my colon removed last month and am on oral chemotherapy for cancer. It was early, the prognosis was good, and I'm grateful to the medical folks. I'm not British or a royalist. However, give her some space and time. Even people in the public eye deserve the power to reveal or not what they feel comfortable with. I wish he no ill will and hope she recovers without complications.

by Anonymousreply 30March 23, 2024 6:47 PM

R29, the notion you think they do nothing undercuts your point entirely. And your class resentment is obvious.

by Anonymousreply 31March 23, 2024 6:51 PM

R30 Glad you are on the road recovery. Cancer scares me it’s touched the lives of many people I care about and some have died from it.

by Anonymousreply 32March 23, 2024 7:19 PM

R24 Her kids are at school during the day and she can hire as much help as she needs. Cancer is always sad, but she's dealing with it in the lap of luxury.

by Anonymousreply 33March 23, 2024 8:35 PM

[quote] R29], the notion you think they do nothing undercuts your point entirely. And your class resentment is obvious.

Exactly! They show up at movie premieres and wave to crowds. It’s tough work.

by Anonymousreply 34March 23, 2024 8:39 PM

R33, maybe have a think about how stupid you make yourself look.

by Anonymousreply 35March 23, 2024 8:40 PM

I live in the lap of luxury - I think I'll enjoy cancer!

by Anonymousreply 36March 23, 2024 8:40 PM

So many people here are betraying that they are Americans by talking about HIPAA. You should be talking about the British equivalent but nobody is.

Americans seem to have a strange envy of the British royal family. Do you still wish you had a monarchy or what? I'd be celebrating that you have a republic.

by Anonymousreply 37March 23, 2024 8:43 PM

You might argue that the monarch has important work, but the rest of them? No.

by Anonymousreply 38March 23, 2024 8:43 PM

You might think that, R38, in American public life. That's now how you operate. You have a cult around the presidency. Though arguably your Senators and Congressmen are the second tier rest of them when they show up at the State Fair for the hog weighing or whatever it is that's important to you. But the other members of the royal family are representing the monarch when they are out in the community, helping to draw focus and reward effort to the regular people who make national life better than it otherwise might be. So, yes, the rest of them do important work.

by Anonymousreply 39March 23, 2024 9:04 PM

[quote] Americans seem to have a strange envy of the British royal family. Do you still wish you had a monarchy or what?

You're typifying more than 350 million people based on a few chance remarks on a gay gossip forum? You sound exceptionally unconvincing and you must be quite shallow.

by Anonymousreply 40March 23, 2024 9:27 PM

We don’t need a Royal family. We have Real Housewives and Kardashians.

by Anonymousreply 41March 23, 2024 9:32 PM

R40 Well, do you have a better explanation? Also, it's not just on a gay gossip forum (see linked article).

R41 Yes, so why do so many of you obsess about the BRF? So many of you talk about HIPAA, betraying yourselves. You could just stick to the Real Housewives and Kardashians.

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by Anonymousreply 42March 23, 2024 9:35 PM

R42: Madeleine Grant in The Telegraph: "There’s an irony to where many of these conspiracies originate, recalling Samuel Johnson’s quip about the US War of Independence – “How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?”

by Anonymousreply 43March 23, 2024 9:40 PM

We talk about them for the same reason we talk about any other celebrities. We have nothing better to do. The idea that they should be of no interest to Americans because they have no role in our government misses the point entirely

Plus, we like the jewels.

by Anonymousreply 44March 23, 2024 9:43 PM

Poor Americans. I feel a bit sorry for you now.

by Anonymousreply 45March 23, 2024 9:44 PM

Points for honesty, R44. Rare here.

by Anonymousreply 46March 23, 2024 9:44 PM

Not the point, r36. Not any of the point.

by Anonymousreply 47March 23, 2024 9:47 PM

Exactly the point. Sure she's got cancer but at least she's rich. Your nausea and hair loss and fear of dying before your kids grow up will be cut in half if you've got a maid.

by Anonymousreply 48March 23, 2024 9:51 PM

Right. Like Brits don’t gossip about American celebrities.

by Anonymousreply 49March 23, 2024 9:51 PM

I highly doubt it's serious cancer. Probably some kind of precancerous cells. She is still evading telling the public what her abdominal surgery is. Which is very strange when she's happy to talk about other health conditions. I can only think that it must be something embarrassing.

by Anonymousreply 50March 23, 2024 9:54 PM

[quote] [R19] and others. Have you heard of HIPPA? At least in the US, it was considered necessary to pass a law to protect the privacy of personal medical information. So much for let it all hang out.

This is pretty stupid. HIPAA is about the obligation of medical providers and hospitals to safeguard patient medical records and to not release them without the patient’s permission. It has nothing to do with voluntary disclosures or public curiosity.

by Anonymousreply 51March 23, 2024 10:10 PM

R31, I don't mind being educated, so please, inform me of the work the BRF does, in particular Catherine, as she is the Topic.

Do I have "class resentment"? Yes, I utterly loathe that you, perhaps many, think the wealthy are superior.

by Anonymousreply 52March 23, 2024 10:14 PM

It has something to do with her lady-parts, that's all I need to know.

by Anonymousreply 53March 23, 2024 10:16 PM

Would it be possible for a supposedly quality paper to refer to her by her actual title and not a made-up one? Or just her name?

Catherine, or the Princess of Wales.

by Anonymousreply 54March 23, 2024 10:19 PM

I'm American and the BRF never enters my mind until I visit DL. This place is becoming a cesspit of racist MM&H and BRF threads. NO, Americans fought a war to get away from stupid inbred, money sucking royals and we don't give a shit about them unless they appear on our news.

by Anonymousreply 55March 23, 2024 10:20 PM

You don't have "class resentment", r52. You have complete ignorance and imbecility.

by Anonymousreply 56March 23, 2024 10:20 PM

No, she hasn't, r8, but you have proved yourself to be a moron.

by Anonymousreply 57March 23, 2024 10:22 PM

[quote] we don't give a shit about them unless they appear on our news.

Well, that’s just about every day, so your comment is pretty meaningless.

You may not give a shit. Many Americans clearly do.

by Anonymousreply 58March 23, 2024 10:23 PM

[quote]Yes, I utterly loathe that you, perhaps many, think the wealthy are superior.

Wrong again, R52, as you so often are. I don't waste my time with what was accurately described at R56 as your ignorance and imbecility, but for good measure I'm throwing in your prejudice as well.

by Anonymousreply 59March 23, 2024 10:25 PM

R41, the royal family is not the counterpart of the Kardashians or Real Housewives. It's hard for Americans to understand, I know, because you have a divisive, polarising political system where the head of state and the head of government are one and the same and therefore you don't have any comprehension of the idea of a neutral figure that represents the state for the whole nation. Even in many countries where there is an executive president there is also a separate head of government. The British monarch is the head of state, his/her counterpart in the US is the president.

by Anonymousreply 60March 23, 2024 10:26 PM

The wealthy are not superior but they have better stuff. I like stuff.

by Anonymousreply 61March 23, 2024 10:27 PM

Ah, what the hell. 33 pages, R52. You seem home schooled, educate yourself.

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by Anonymousreply 62March 23, 2024 10:27 PM

[quote] the royal family is not the counterpart of the Kardashians or Real Housewives

It is for us.

by Anonymousreply 63March 23, 2024 10:28 PM

Right, R63, but you have Candy Corn and Big Gulps, so your judgement... eeeeeeeh....

by Anonymousreply 64March 23, 2024 10:30 PM

It isn't for your president, your Congress, your state, your political system, your government, your country's diplomatic relations, or basically anything to do with your country's institutions, whether at national, state or local level, r63.

by Anonymousreply 65March 23, 2024 10:33 PM

If you think that American interest in the British Royal Family results from some kind of confusion about their role in our government, you are mistaken. They are entertainment to us. Sorry if that offends.

by Anonymousreply 66March 23, 2024 10:40 PM

It doesn't "offend", r66, it's just that you have no fucking clue what they're about and so come up with crap like "they're no different from the Kardashians". You as an ignorant individual might think that, but your president certainly sees Charles as his counterpart. Your small little world is nowhere near the whole story.

by Anonymousreply 67March 23, 2024 10:42 PM

What's really pathetic, r7, is that Sanjay - CNN's supposed medical specialist - didn't understand that "preventative chemotherapy" is another term for "adjuvant chemotherapy".

by Anonymousreply 68March 23, 2024 10:44 PM

I see we are back to MM.

I see that kate will not be left alone until everyone knows what kind of cancer she has.

I am always amazed the some people think that if a person is famous or public then the world deserves to know everything they want to know about the person. News: It is none of your damned business. Does everyone deserve to know every damned detail of your life? Famous people are just people like everyone else. They are just known to more people than the average person but their life is still none of your damned business.

by Anonymousreply 69March 23, 2024 10:44 PM

R29 No, the BRF are not "public-tax-supported," Miss Anglophile.

by Anonymousreply 70March 23, 2024 10:44 PM

You are the idiot, r67. You cannot comprehend that it is perfectly logical for the Royal family to have a different significance to Americans. The question is not what they mean to you.

The American President sees the British Prime Minister as his counterpart, unless it’s a strictly ceremonial occasion.

by Anonymousreply 71March 23, 2024 10:54 PM

Fergie with skin cancer, Charles with prostate cancer, Kate with "abdominal" cancer, Andrew laying low in disgrace, it seems since the Queen died everyone's gotten sick. Where are Edward and Sophie? They should be picking up the slack.

by Anonymousreply 72March 23, 2024 10:55 PM

She should just say what type of cancer she has, and how advanced it is. That would go a long way toward reducing the speculation and the wild theories and the general public interest, which seems to be what she wants.

by Anonymousreply 73March 23, 2024 11:07 PM

For most Americans, we don't believe the Royal Family really does much of anything. We view them as a soap opera family that entertains us via the tabloids.

by Anonymousreply 74March 23, 2024 11:08 PM

And you're happy to be so misinformed? It's not an insult. You're wrong. You seem utterly content with it. I've never grasped the American pride in admitting we don't know what the fuck we're talking about and we don't really care. It's fascinating.

by Anonymousreply 75March 23, 2024 11:16 PM

We are not misinformed. We simply are not paying attention to them because of what British royalists imagine to be their significance. Our interest in them is not the same as yours.

by Anonymousreply 76March 23, 2024 11:26 PM

I bet she has endometriosis and needed major surgery to remove as much of it as possible and some of the tissue removed showed cancer.

by Anonymousreply 77March 23, 2024 11:31 PM

R71 You beat me to it. King Charles is a tourist attraction, period. He holds no power over the UK. The US President helps get real legislation passed if he isn't dealing with MAGA cultists. R60 is incredibly stupid, or just willfully ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 78March 23, 2024 11:40 PM

Well, no, R76. Nice try at dodging but that's not true.

The observation was: For most Americans, we don't believe the Royal Family really does much of anything. We view them as a soap opera family that entertains us via the tabloids.

That is not true. "Each year working Members of the Royal Family carry out over 2,000 official engagements in the UK and overseas. These engagements vary greatly, from visits to community initiatives, to welcoming visiting Heads of State, meeting guests at official Garden Parties and presenting members of the public with their honours at Investiture ceremonies.

70,000: the number of people entertained each year to dinners, lunches, receptions and garden parties at the Royal residences.

100,000: the number of letters received and answered each year by the Royal Family.

About 3,000 organisations list a member of the Royal Family as patron or president.

Some members of the Royal Family have also established their own charities such as The Duke of Edinburgh's Award Scheme and The Princess Royal Trust for Carers, a charity which provides advice and support for people acting as carers.

The King is head of the armed forces, not the prime minister of the day and the King leads the nation at the Remembrance Sunday ceremony each year in Whitehall. The whole family hold honourary ranks in units of the armed services, providing an ongoing presence and link between the monarchy and the services.

That's no one's objective definition of nothing unless they're being wilfully ignorant.

As to "We view them as a soap opera family that entertains us via the tabloids". That says more about you than them because there's enough information out there to prove that's a simplistic, reductive, cynical view without merit or substance.

by Anonymousreply 79March 23, 2024 11:44 PM

Most of the prerogative powers (the conduct of foreign affairs, making treaties, going to war, making public appointments) are now exercised by ministers. But there are three prerogative powers which remain in the hands of the monarch. These are the power to appoint and dismiss ministers; to grant royal assent to bills passed by parliament; and to summon, dissolve and prorogue parliament.

The appointment and dismissal of ministers is all done on the advice of the Prime Minister. The grant of royal assent is automatic once a bill has been passed by both Houses of Parliament. [italic]The only prerogative power which remains discretionary is the dissolution or prorogation of parliament: the monarch retains discretion to refuse an opportunistic or untimely request.[/italic]

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by Anonymousreply 80March 23, 2024 11:49 PM

Visiting, meeting, welcoming, entertaining, dining with, presenting, and answering letters.

Got it, r78.

by Anonymousreply 81March 24, 2024 12:12 AM

“Everyone’s always ‘Kate, Kate, Kate’! When do I get my attention back?”

by Anonymousreply 82March 24, 2024 12:14 AM

R81 you’d think the royals were digging ditches in 115 degree Arizona heat everyday. The reality is that they attend one party after another at which they are being honored and admired.. You are breaking my heart r79. Lmao

by Anonymousreply 83March 24, 2024 12:36 AM

It doesn't matter one little bit how Rusdians and Chinese view the British government.

by Anonymousreply 84March 24, 2024 12:41 AM

You're probably too cynical and stubborn to get this, R81, but people like to be recognized, acknowledged and appreciated. Causes in society benefit from attention and awareness. That is the job of the royal family outside of the sovereign. They didn't crash a couple thousand parties. They were invited. Why would they be asked to attend if their attention was meaningless?

You don't even deserve this answer, you're a jackass and plainly proud of it. I am grateful I don't know you and happier to block you. There's one thing worse than a dick and its a happily ignorant dick.

by Anonymousreply 85March 24, 2024 1:06 AM

Historian A.N Wilson:

...Both these events reminded me of what we would lose if we did not have a monarchy. Neither occasion would have been quite the same if they had been presided over by a famous actor or a politician. And if that is true of these comparatively low-key events, how much truer it is of the times when we all want to come together as a nation – above all on Remembrance Day, when the whole country focuses its attention on the Cenotaph and those who died in war.

Of course, we could be like other countries and have a president, but such a figure would inevitably be an ex-politician, and President Blair or President May would certainly not evoke the fondness and respect that is felt by most of us for the King and Queen and their family.

This feeling is not sycophantic, it is affectionate.

To be a monarchist you do not have to insist that the Royal Family is all drawn from blue stock. Rather, we see them as people set apart for a particular purpose. They are not 'celebrities', though they are famous. They are not political, though the King is at the heart of our political constitution. And they are not without magic, still, despite all the changes wrought upon this country.

by Anonymousreply 86March 24, 2024 1:18 AM

A picture is worth a thousand words.

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by Anonymousreply 87March 24, 2024 1:52 AM

Charlotte! I told you “No Datalounge.”

by Anonymousreply 88March 24, 2024 4:40 AM

Oncologist?! Onk! Onk! That's a funny word.

by Anonymousreply 89March 24, 2024 5:38 AM

[quote]What's really pathetic, [R7], is that Sanjay - CNN's supposed medical specialist - didn't understand that "preventative chemotherapy" is another term for "adjuvant chemotherapy".

But his point—that using the term "preventative chemotherapy" is disingenuous—is correct. It means nothing. Chemo is chemo, and the type you're getting doesn't necessarily mean you're in the clear or not.

Adjuvant chemo is simply chemo that's administered after surgery.

Neoadjuvant chemo is chemo given before surgery to shrink a tumor so it can be more easily removed.

We've all heard and read stories of someone who is pronounced clean of cancer after surgery—surgeons claim they "got it all." They go through chemo, and the cancer comes back, and they have to do more surgery and chemo, and/or sometimes they die.

If you need chemo, you're in trouble. If your type of cancer responds to the chemo, excellent. Sometimes it doesn't.

by Anonymousreply 90March 24, 2024 5:53 AM

Cooter cancer.

by Anonymousreply 91March 24, 2024 8:02 AM

When will she be spotted bald?

by Anonymousreply 92March 24, 2024 8:03 AM

Possibly never, R92. Chemo doesn’t always cause hair loss - it didn't with me.

by Anonymousreply 93March 24, 2024 11:43 AM

FEMALE TROUBLE

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by Anonymousreply 94March 24, 2024 11:58 AM

R71, as I said, they can have whatever significance you want them to have for you. If you want to think they're the same thing as the Kardashians, go ahead. The problem with that, however, is that you completely misunderstand what their role is, what's expected of them and the codes which they live by, with the result that you spout complete and utter shit about them. Think of them in whatever way you want, but bear in mind that, as a result, you are talking shit.

And, again, for the American president, the American government, American institutions, American diplomacy, the British monarch is the president's counterpart. I also doubt that most Americans think the same way you do. The funny thing is, if you think of them as entertainment like the Kardashians then that means you think Meghan is like the Kardashians too. And she wants to do all this important UN work and "service" because she's a "Duchess".

by Anonymousreply 95March 24, 2024 1:18 PM

I don't think R33 is suggesting that KM has it easy in spite of her cancer; I think he (or she) is merely pointing out that Kate doesn't, like so many of us, have the added stress of going to work sick or losing a job, or going bankrupt. Totally fair point.

by Anonymousreply 96March 24, 2024 1:23 PM

She wasn't being "disingenuous", r90. She was making a very difficult announcement to the British and Commonwealth people, the whole world in fact, and she wanted to use a more "everyday" term that people who have never been personally confronted by the issue might understand.

by Anonymousreply 97March 24, 2024 1:31 PM

Oh sure, r96. I mean, having the whole world, or at least the trash media and insane online lunatics, demanding to know where you are, why you aren't giving them constant updates, insinuating that your husband is having an affair or has physically harmed you, that your marriage has broken down, utter hysteria because you made a few simple edits to a photo, all while you're going through a cancer crisis after serious surgery for something else isn't at all stressful!

by Anonymousreply 98March 24, 2024 1:34 PM

Well, 98, I guess it depends on your perspective. I would find the prospect of being broke and jobless with cancer more stressful than what Kate is going through. That's me. And it's partly why, when I was diagnosed with two different forms of complex atypical hyperplasia, I chose to forgo surgery and treatment, knowing that it might mean an early, painful death from cancer. I have to work; I have to pay my bills. I can't even fathom how awful it would be if I were a single mother. So yes, I look at Kate as having a smoother boat ride.

by Anonymousreply 99March 24, 2024 1:48 PM

Factually, of course it's correct, but it's just an unnecessary, inconsequential point to have made. Bad taste, which DL might indulge, if there'd been any wit or merit to it. Instead it was just a shitty, obvious point to make.

by Anonymousreply 100March 24, 2024 1:50 PM

"Thank you very much OP. That was very helpful to a fuller understanding about what may be happening with Catherine."

A 'fuller understanding' of something that 'may' be happening.

by Anonymousreply 101March 24, 2024 1:53 PM

R78 Charles is barely a tourist attraction. How many of you give a shit about Charles like you do Queen Elizabeth?

by Anonymousreply 102March 24, 2024 2:05 PM

[98] I agree. Had a rare sarcoma, 16 surgeries and radiation. Refused chemo-the docs didn't know if it would work. I was 24 with a husband and 4 yr old. It was very rough physically, emotionally and financially. Many times I was alone during the day while husband was at work and daughter in preschool. Hard to get around much less cook or drive. I can't imagine what support Kate has and how wonderful that would have been.

by Anonymousreply 103March 24, 2024 2:16 PM

You are right, R98, but in fact the key to everything that happened next was that KP specifically said it wasn't cancer in their original announcement. She may not have been operated on for cancer originally, and at the time of the announcement they might not yet have known the results of the tests, but if biopsies had been taken, nobody knew whether it was cancer or not and the dummies should have shut up.

If the public had thought she might have cancer, the speculation might not have got quite as silly. She has explained she couldn't do like Charles and tell the world as soon as she knew, because she wanted to make sure the kids had come to terms with the situation before it got out into Loonyland. But she also would have been flatly contradicting her own team's announcement. For almost every aspect of this debacle the marketing people at KP need to lose their jobs, stat.

by Anonymousreply 104March 24, 2024 2:17 PM

I disagree, R104. I don't see how the KP fucked this up particularly. What was said initially was consistent with what she said and what the doctors said.

Kate's own words: "In January, I underwent major abdominal surgery in London. [bold]And at the time it was thought that my condition was non-cancerous.[/bold]. The surgery was successful however tests after the operation found cancer had been present."

So everyone proceeded on the good faith basis the condition was non-cancerous. I did this for a living for twenty years. Put aside the hunger as a public for all the details, which is never going to be satisfied and, out of all the priority stakeholders, is down the list, the job from their perspective was to stick to the known facts. No one worth their salt does anything to encourage speculation in the material they put out, however it's done. So what else should they have said at the initial announcement of her surgery?

Assume the most likely facts at the time: the doctors told her there was no evidence of cancer found during the operation (established cancer can be identified with the naked eye). The tests would have been done out of an abundance of caution. This is consistent with her subsequent treatment: preventative, not curative. Comms probably didn't even know testing was done.

In communications, when you don't know for a fact something is going to happen you don't announce it could. That's feeding pointless speculation. Which is not to say you can prevent pointless speculation but you sure don't help it along. You're expecting the comms team to have a strategy to control the internet and all the fools on it. Impossible task. It cannot be done. Look at now - they're still claiming her announcement video was fake.

The other thing is, you sit with your client and ask them, if you're any good, what do you want this to look like when it's all done? Then you develop a strategy to come as close to that as possible, accepting you can't control every variable (and reminding the client as such.) In this case it's fair to say you had a main client who sought to protect her children first and also maintain the dignity of medical privacy. You had a husband quite reluctant to share the information publicly. Those priorities for client make sense, but they're pretty tricky to manage with the external environment.

No one anticipated the analysis by the news agencies of the photoshopping. It's easy to say in hindsight that they should have. But I know from experience it's the kind of thing you can honestly get caught out on. It was a separate, isolated incident caused by reacting to the external environment, which you always have to be willing to do, whether you like it or not - events, my dear boy, events. But it emerged - it wasn't connected to the announcement at the time of the operation. Photo editing is such an accepted convention now - except what they didn't count on was the agencies' standards around editing integrity. They might not even have known. It's new territory. They might not even have known what she did to edit it or the extent. I have no doubt the entire team is sick they didn't ask for more info but I can see how at the time it didn't happen.

As in war, no plan survives first contact with the enemy. In comms, in this day and age, things will change in ways you might, if you're really lucky, anticipate - but you probably won't imagine all the ways things could change and I'd guess that's what happened here.

I don't know who could have handled these communications flawlessly because I'm not sure the conflict between the clients' objectives and the events made it possible. They did the best they could but so much was out of their control and, barring giving media and the public exactly what they want (in defiance of the client) there are no easy answers. It would be hard to say to a woman with cancer and three young children you need to tell all. They had to wait until the client was ready. And that is the client's right, come what may.

by Anonymousreply 105March 24, 2024 3:33 PM

Are you a heterosexual woman, r103? Also, please tell us your name, age, address, post photos of yourself and enable the whole world to talk about you.

by Anonymousreply 106March 24, 2024 3:39 PM

R104, the public didn't speculate. Media shits and online loons "speculated".

by Anonymousreply 107March 24, 2024 3:40 PM

Maybe the doctors made a mistake and told the patient and the palace (because of course every “private person” has a “palace” right?) that she did not have cancer, or maybe someone in the palace spoke out of turn in saying “it’s not cancer” and now the story has to be ret-conned to account for that mistake.

by Anonymousreply 108March 24, 2024 3:46 PM

"marketing people at KP need to lose theur jobs, stsf"

Ha ha funny. Also, calling Catherine "the client."

by Anonymousreply 109March 24, 2024 3:47 PM

Thank you, r105.

Your words have the ring of knowledge and credibility.

by Anonymousreply 110March 24, 2024 3:53 PM

Yes r105 nails it.

by Anonymousreply 111March 24, 2024 4:11 PM

I love how all these DL experts think they know exactly how to manage the "PR" of one of the most high-profile people on the planet, a woman to boot, who is trying to manage a negatively evolving health crisis with three young kids while also dealing with an intense, deliriously crazy media frenzy further incited by a bunch of online lunatics, who have been radicalised and goaded by the estranged relatives.

Again, and it should be emphasised, the general public was respectful, they were not the problem.

by Anonymousreply 112March 24, 2024 5:04 PM

How would you handle Stephen Colbert's PR, r105 and r111?

by Anonymousreply 113March 24, 2024 5:04 PM

Absolutely I would have him apologize.

by Anonymousreply 114March 24, 2024 6:05 PM

r73 maybe she should just spread her legs for you so you can see. would that make you happy?

by Anonymousreply 115March 24, 2024 6:16 PM

Is that your edifying response, r56? As well, r59?

Starting with you, r59: Please tell me about what or whom you think I hold "prejudice." Do you mean the 1% who have bought our Supreme Court ("Citizens United"); our Congress (2017 Trump-GOP Tax Law); Republicans in general (neither of us has the time to review)? Those groups? Why---do you FAVOR them?

Do you even know what "prejudice" means? I implore you to let us all know where I have been factually in error to the extent of holding "preconceived opinions" of the aforementioned.

Now to the vague but vituperative r56: I'd dearly love to know, as I asked, to be educated, but you offer no edification.

For example, it is technically correct to say the the BRF is not tax-supported. Mea culpa. They are, rather, supported by "Sovereign Grants" from the government. One perforce must wonder: Whence the government's source (one guess)?

For example, it is technically correct to say the BRF (partially) earns its keep from its various land-holdings (Duchy of Cornwall, Duchy of Lancaster, e.g.). But whence such property? Maybe from 1066 and the inheritances therefrom?

As for my "imbecility," that I am engaging with you proves that. Kudos!

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by Anonymousreply 116March 24, 2024 6:37 PM

FYI: The Royal Family and the Prince and Princess of Wales have official instagram accounts. If you follow them, you will see that Edward and Sophie, Anne, the Gloucesters and the Kents are working their asses off. Especially Anne. She is in 6 places at once traveling all over the UK in a 24 hour period. Always with a smile, always giving her full attention and asking good questions where ever she goes. Sophie and Edward have really stepped up their game too. You will also discover that Camilla is not on vacation she is making tons of appearances all over the place, and Charles is greeting foreign ministers inside the palace, so he is doing what he can.

by Anonymousreply 117March 24, 2024 6:56 PM

She needs to fire her PR and go with Jennifer Aniston’s people.

by Anonymousreply 118March 24, 2024 7:04 PM

[quote]The funny thing is, if you think of them as entertainment like the Kardashians then that means you think Meghan is like the Kardashians too. And she wants to do all this important UN work and "service" because she's a "Duchess".

Meghan is trashier than the the Kardashians. What “important UN work” is she doing?? She’s trying to sell jams and jellies on Instagram, and she’ll never make as much profit as Kylie Jenner’s cosmetic line does.

by Anonymousreply 119March 24, 2024 7:07 PM

Gotta agree with r119.

The Kardashians are upfront about their hustle, distasteful as it may be to me.

by Anonymousreply 120March 24, 2024 7:12 PM

Has Meghan even got a hustle? I thought she just announced she intends to hustle?

by Anonymousreply 121March 24, 2024 7:49 PM

R105 has mistaken my meaning. I meant PR should have simply shut up about cancer unless they KNEW.

by Anonymousreply 122March 25, 2024 11:56 AM

R119, just before Meghan apparently met Harry she gave a speech at the UN for International Women's Day. This was in June 2016, when Ban Ki-moon was still UN Secretary General. This is what she wrote about it:

[quote]When I gave a speech for International Women's Day, and Ban Ki-moon led the standing ovation, I thought, 'This right here is the point.' To use whatever status I have as an actress to make a tangible impact.

The megalomania involved in the idea that the UN Secretary General led the standing ovation to a speech she gave, as though it was the most amazing speech he'd ever heard in the 50,000 speeches he'd probably sat through in his life.

This article by her in Elle from November 2016 - around the time she and Harry made their relationship public - is interesting as it reveals the extent of her megalomania. If she'd genuinely believed in any of the that then she would have made the most of the platform she'd been given as a member of the British royal family.

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by Anonymousreply 123March 25, 2024 12:14 PM

Except, R122, at that point they thought they did know cancer was excluded, per Kate's remarks. It was an inescapable question from media and the information they had justified the inclusion in the statement. They plainly thought it had been ruled out. Maybe nobody advised comms the testing was being done. Maybe something got lost in translation. From what we know, nobody expected cancer to be found and then it was. Worth noting even with the statement it didn't shut down cancer speculation anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 124March 25, 2024 12:58 PM

Someone posted on the other Kate thread that it’s thought she had Crohn’s disease and went in for that surgery. If so, they thought they were being accurate—the surgery was a success and it was non-cancerous.

by Anonymousreply 125March 25, 2024 2:30 PM

R90 post surgery without any sign of additional disease. It doesn’t mean there definitely isn’t microscopic cancer remaining, just that there’s no evidence for it at the time the decision is made to recommend it to the patient.. In this way it’s preventative., because it’s being administered in the absence of actual evidence of additional disease.

by Anonymousreply 126March 25, 2024 2:43 PM

But Kate said there were cancer cells found, r126. So it really isn’t preventative at all.

by Anonymousreply 127March 25, 2024 3:05 PM

I figure this was, for some reason, a resection. The tissue did not show visual evidence of cancer so the belief is the margins were sufficient to have got it all. It was microscopic. So the chemo is like changing the oil on the car or reroofing.

by Anonymousreply 128March 25, 2024 3:12 PM

From the link at R123. Am I correct in assuming the reason there were so many women in the parliament in Rwanda was because so many men were genocided?

[quote]Just a year ago, I was in a van heading back from Gihembe refugee camp in Rwanda. I was there as an advocate for UN Women; I had a week of meetings with female parliamentarians in the city's capital, Kigali, celebrating the fact that 64% of the Rwandan government are women – the first in the world 
where women hold a majority.

by Anonymousreply 129March 25, 2024 3:26 PM

Good question, R129, and the kind of own goal that seems so possible.

by Anonymousreply 130March 25, 2024 3:42 PM

A dear friend of ours, early 50's found a cancerous tumor on their leg. It was surgically removed, chemo, etc. It has come back with a vengeance and there are cancerous tumors all over the leg. They are going to use radiation and more chemo, and they mentioned the "spots" of cancer were extremely small, but were everywhere. I was telling my sister who is close to them, about this chemo that they give to zap cancerous tissue "adjuvant chemo" and I wonder if it will help. The alternative may be that they lose their leg. The thing is, if it is throughout the leg, it is probably throughout their body. Sarcoma. Personally I don't think they are going to make it. I suspect, if it is as gas she says, maybe two years at most. I sincerely hope Catherine isn't facing something similar.

by Anonymousreply 131March 25, 2024 3:49 PM

R131 here. I don't know how "aggressive" became "gas" in my autocorrect. But the word I was going for was aggressive.

by Anonymousreply 132March 25, 2024 3:51 PM

On the flip side, my brother in law has an aggressive lymphoma (the supposedly easily cured cancer....) And the thing has stalled out for six months and counting. They were all set for another round of chemo and then decided to leave well enough alone (as in the end this one can't be cured.) Cancer isn't linear. The fucker.

by Anonymousreply 133March 25, 2024 3:58 PM

[quote] [R40] Well, do you have a better explanation?

Yes, that (as I said earlier) you're shallow and make ridiculous snap judgments and generalizations.

[quote]Also, it's not just on a gay gossip forum (see linked article).

That doesn't make it correct.

I would doubt if 1 out of 50 Americans is in any way involved in discussing speculations about Princess Catherine on TikTok or elsewhere on social media. Most Americans (the 49 out of 50) honestly just have an idle interest if any in this.

by Anonymousreply 134March 25, 2024 8:46 PM

In the real world I'd bet you'd only get sympathy, in varying amounts of intensity. It's just online it gets ugly.

by Anonymousreply 135March 25, 2024 8:55 PM

It always amazes me that the British people will defend and pay for people to play a role, and pay a lot too. Then they say with a straight face, that the royals have "personal" income! Nothing they have is personal, it was stolen from the poor peasants a long time ago. Rich people taking care of rich people, No amount of rationalizing can make it any more true.

by Anonymousreply 136March 26, 2024 12:07 AM

Your command of history speaks for itself.

by Anonymousreply 137March 26, 2024 12:16 AM

Since 2000, taxpayers have paid nearly $68 million — not including the costs of secret service protection — to support former presidents, according to an NTUF analysis.

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by Anonymousreply 138March 26, 2024 12:33 AM

That is not comparable in the least, r138.

by Anonymousreply 139March 26, 2024 12:35 AM

Back in the day, we felt anguish for people who were dealing with health issues and gave them as much space as they needed to heal, or to slip away quietly. Kate is facing an illness that could kill her, that affects her children in a horrible way none of us would like our children to face. So why and what do we need to know???

If it were true, I doubt many of us would want to know General Eisenhower had testicular cancer when he was invading Europe, and we wouldn't expect him to inform us of it. We wouldn't want to know it if Bob Hope had rectal cancer while he was touring with the USO, neither would we want him to give us details of what's happening inside his rear end. Would you really expect to know more if Molly Pitcher was undergoing an ectopic pregnancy when she was loading up that cannon? Would you expect her to stop what she was doing to give us details of how it happened?

This "need to know" is pathological. Other people don't owe any of us anything. They go about their business, doing what they do, as you do. We all have different roles to play.

When I was diagnosed with Lewy body dementia and I retired because I could no longer trust my own decision making, some of my own friends asked me why exactly I retired, when I expect to go into an assisted living situation, how much time the doctors have given me. WHY do they need to know? Can't they enjoy me while I am living the best life I am able to do? Why are they so negative when I am trying to be so positive? I don't get today's world anymore, I take comfort in the life I led in the 60s, 70s and 80s, even when I was challenged about my sexual orientation. I made my way through it.

No one needs to know about my journey, past or present. I've made myself happy, over and over again. I've led a good life. It's all I could have asked for, and I don't need to elaborate on it for anyone.

by Anonymousreply 140March 26, 2024 12:43 AM

I doubt you live in a castle and will be interred in Westminster Abbey.

by Anonymousreply 141March 26, 2024 10:33 AM

Neither does or will Kate, r141, and why would that make hounding her over her personal health issues ok even if it were the case?

by Anonymousreply 142March 26, 2024 10:53 AM

R141 if you’re going for hyperbole it does help to have half a clue. There hasn’t been room in Westminster Abbey for anybody to be interred therein for rather a long time. Sovereigns have most recently been squeezed into St George’s Chapel at Windsor otherwise the rest of the family end up in the Frogmore royal burial ground. William and Kate and family are based in the four bedroom Adelaide Cottage in Windsor Great Park. They also have a house in Norfolk - Anmer Hall - and a large apartment in Kensington Palace in London.

No castles, though.

by Anonymousreply 143March 26, 2024 11:42 AM

R140, you are very wise and well spoken. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 144March 27, 2024 12:40 AM

Well Dlers. I have news. I have just been diagnosed. Haven't told anyone yet.Not sure how to proceed. I have to set up appointments with oncology. specialist. Not sure how I feel. Do I tell my family after everything is set up and there's an action plan, or do I bring them in so they can hear the prognosis ?

by Anonymousreply 145March 27, 2024 12:51 AM

R140 The world is different now and has changed dear, it is YOU that has not, we're not going back to the good old days, sorry Boomer, perhaps checkers in the park?

by Anonymousreply 146March 27, 2024 2:22 AM

What have you just been diagnosed with, R145?

by Anonymousreply 147March 27, 2024 2:42 AM

Breast cancer. waiting to hear back from them for meeting with surgeon

by Anonymousreply 148March 27, 2024 3:01 PM

R145, I truly hope it’s treatable, there has been so much progress and advances made in the last few years. I would definitely tell a few trusted people, if you feel you need some emotional support. Some people like to cover and hide, which is ok too—it’s how they cope. Please let us know how you’re doing. One thing DL does is come through and support each other, especially when one of us is facing something profound like this.

R146, that was unnecessarily harsh. Although I don’t agree with the OP, there are a lot of non-boomers who think like he does. I know it’s DL, but if you’re going to insult someone (especially someone who has a serious illness). Do it with some panache and humor. Otherwise, why bother?

by Anonymousreply 149March 27, 2024 4:14 PM

R146 is a moron.

by Anonymousreply 150March 27, 2024 5:01 PM

R146, you are very unkind. R140 said he/she has Lewy body dementia. If you can't grasp that you don't need to share every thought you have, try this: think before you speak. I think you owe R140 an apology.

by Anonymousreply 151March 27, 2024 5:06 PM

Sorry to take so long to get back to you, R145. Hope your cancer is treatable. I would tell your family now rather than waiting, so they can support you.

by Anonymousreply 152March 27, 2024 8:44 PM

R146, WTF is wrong with you?

by Anonymousreply 153March 27, 2024 9:27 PM

R151, well said. 💯

by Anonymousreply 154March 27, 2024 9:28 PM

R148, rooting for you...

by Anonymousreply 155March 27, 2024 9:30 PM

Being a Celebitch, of course R140 lacks the decency to cop to her own idiocy. All that sugar rots brains.

by Anonymousreply 156March 27, 2024 11:14 PM

I told the family. Told a couple of close friends. I think I'll be OK. We'll see.

by Anonymousreply 157March 28, 2024 3:17 AM

Good luck, R157. Stay strong.

by Anonymousreply 158March 28, 2024 3:23 AM
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