It’s Happening: Kate Announces She Has Cancer (part 2)

Cancer of the Cunt.

It’s Happening: Kate Announces She Has a Dick!

As someone put it recently, DL has always had snark but it was smart. R1 and R2 are examples of the abject stupidity of so many current posters.

[quote] It’s Happening: Kate Announces She Has a Dick!

Yours, too?

My wife has one, as well.

I've blocked at least five accounts all posting precisely the same argumentative, self-righteous trolling horseshit. Still can't figure out if we have that many menopausal Royalist tory cunts posting here or if it's the same idiot on five different sockpuppet accounts.

Stupid r3 Frau cunt wandered in thinking this was mommy central where all play nice and all get a medal, go gargle with glass bitch, I have blocked this cunt frau, you should too

Who is the weirdo who keeps saying that anyone who says Kate wears a wig is trolling? I'm sorry for your visual impairment, but that "new bangs" pictures last year were definitely a wig. Speaking as someone who wore a high quality real hair topper for several years.

R6 as you’ve allegedly blocked me you won’t see this, but for the record, I may be a cunt (this is one of R6’s favourite words, being the pig ignorant misogynist that it is) but I’m not a frau.

I’ve also been a paying member of the DL for at least ten years, maybe more, so haven’t exactly just wandered in, but if R6’s post does anything, it confirms what I referred to in my posting - the abject stupidity of some posters.

[quote] I've blocked at least five accounts all posting precisely the same argumentative, self-righteous trolling horseshit.

Just block. You don't have to tell everybody about it.

This thread is already bonkers.

Wow, 14 hours to make a whole one part thread. Is that a new record? Or did Diana take only 3 hours?

Will the children have to give depositions about what they knew (both about the photoshopping, and Kate’s state?)

My cousin’s friend who is a stylist to ALL yhe big names in facial peal technology says that Meghan has been calling the children to help prepare them for bad news.

“Knock, knock! “

“Who is there?”

“Pretty soon, not your mom.”

Another:

“Sometimes, when lying mommies get cancer, they go off and live on a farm with native americans and casinos!”

I'm so glad there's a Part 2 so that morons can fill it with their tiresome Meghan jokes.

Her affect in the video is of a woman who is deeply distressed/depressed and is dying.

My mother died of cancer at 55 after a seven-year struggle. She turned on the positive vibes for her little family even when her diagnosis (which was positive at first) deteriorated.

What I'm seeing here is a woman who can't turn them on for what she knows will be a globally distributed short video. I'm thinking things are truly not good—she's grieving for her children and can't fake it.

I thought it was a beautiful video, carefully considerate of who would be watching. I felt like she was trying to represent any family member who has been used to being active and vital and competitive. She said she has always had a competitive streak and liked to win. I feel a bit of her pain. I really hope she bounces back and heals with as little pain as possible. If she dies now, I really think people will see a hole in this family for a long time. She has a beautiful smile. Let's send prayers of healing energy. Why not.

While it’s nice that so many of you have dialled back from attacking her for not communicating her diagnosis to you personally, it now seems that many of you won’t rest until she either rips her wig off in public (even if she’s not wearing one) and/or Elton performs at her funeral with George, Charlotte and Louis walking behind the coffin on the way to Westminster Abbey.

Ghouls.

I don’t believe Elton should be performing on a funereal float, R17; the roads are too narrow and twisty for a grand piano on trailer.

"incredibly tough few months"

"huge shock"

"time to process"

These are tells that the prognosis is poor or terminal.

42 is young to get cancer, but everyone knows it's a possibility, particularly if you're undergoing major abdominal surgery after symptoms.

If it's something that can be easily taken care of—as my mother's cancer was thought to be at initial diagnosis—you cling to that, play it up, and parrot it again and again. I'm not getting that vibe from this video.

[quote]What I'm seeing here is a woman who can't turn them on for what she knows will be a globally distributed short video. I'm thinking things are truly not good—she's grieving for her children and can't fake it.

What you are seeing is a liar. She wouldn't be going through this if she had just told the truth. She cares more about being Queen than anything else in the world.

And it's a fact that she, her husband and her husband's stepmother have spent the past 4 years glued to their phones with the editors and journalist of the British tabloids, feeding them rumors about her brother in law & sister in law. Now she finally realizes what they go through every single day. And she doesn't like it. Too damned bad for her

And R17, we knew she and her husband were feeding us a pack of lies. They were lying. They're still lying. Remember, they said this wasn't cancer and now it is. I think it's hilarious that their #1 cheerleader, piers morgan turned on them and did a "Kate Middleton and her Conspiracies" special that finally made them tell the truth

I'm getting sadness and pain and embarrassment. It felt honest and raw, as if to tell the general public," Is this what you wanted? " Very sad. I hope to see more compassion here even in DL.

Did she have IVF to conceive any of those late in life kids? Kelly Preston 2.0.

Who is the deranged nutcase at R20? Is it a meth addict, a teenager, a mental case, or a combination of all three?

I wonder how they managed to stumble across this place…

Is it PUSSY CANCER?

[quote]Did she have IVF to conceive any of those late in life kids? Kelly Preston 2.0.

Elizabeth Edwards software update as well.

A response personally crafted for DL.

I hope to see more compassion here even in DL.

You are trolling I hope, I want the nitty gritty, tell us everything, we don't need compassion, we need the dirt.

R23, I'm someone who knows the truth. I'm someone who knows when they're being fed a pack of lies. You on the other hand, will believe the most preposterous lies. Even when the liars are caught lying, you'll even make excuses for the liars. You remind of a trumper. That's exactly what you are. Just like a trumper.

R21, it's hard people to have compassion for someone who lied, did a bunch of ridiculous publicity stunts and continues to lie. She & her husband got into bed with the tabloids. They didn't learn a thing from Diana and what happened to her when she got into bed with the tabloids.

What Kate and her husband need to do is stop it with the tabloid games. They need to stop all of it. Stop feeding the press with things about her in laws, in exchange for good press about she & her husband. This is her one chance to stop this. Let's hope she takes it.

[quote] I hope to see more compassion here even in DL.

I really don't care. Do you?

r28 I'm genuinely fascinated. Sussex stans think William and Kate are up enough on Harkle Netflix dealings to leak to the press?

Is it PUSSY CANCER?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bitch.

R23 I’m going with meth addict and mental case. One who is bent out of shape at not being personally updated on Kate’s diagnosis and prognosis.

Maybe Meghan can be a surrogate mom to Kate's orphaned children?

r34 Yes I'd be such a good mother to them just like I am to... HARRY! What the fuck are those little shits I spawned called? Archwell or Something? Stop sobbing into your mothers dress and answer me!!!

During my dad's recent lap procedure, the doctors identified some cancerous cells and opted to treat it with - and I can't even think of the right word for it - but a kind of "rinse" in which he was injected with this fluid and it made it's own way out of his body after a couple of hours. It wasn't exactly "chemo", but it might him feel slightly ill, kind of like getting a vaccination. It that didn't work (which thankfully it did), they intended to blast him with chemo. So when she says "preventative chemo", I wonder if it's a euphemism for this type of treatment to get rid of cancerous cells, but not necessarily a mass

Meghan will be Sarah Jane 2.0

"Did she have IVF to conceive any of those late in life kids? Kelly Preston 2.0."

"Elizabeth Edwards software update as well."

Word.

"... but a kind of "rinse" in which he was injected with this fluid and it made it's own way out of his body after a couple of hours. It wasn't exactly "chemo"

Bleach?

Wonder if Stephen Colbert now realizes what an insensitive, shallow, piece of garbage pig he is.

The video had a strange look to it. The background definitely looked fake. Her makeup was very different from how she usually wears it. I’m so sorry she’s sick. The continued “stage craft” is strange, though.

Kate has to be depressed because she had one job: To be the perfect royal brood mare.

Now it looks like she's going to kick off decades early, and even worse, she introduced early cancer into the royal bloodline.

[quote]They need to stop all of it. Stop feeding the press with things about her in laws, in exchange for good press about she & her husband.

FFS Give it UP.

"Wonder if Stephen Colbert now realizes what an insensitive, shallow, piece of garbage pig he is."

No.

[quote]"Wonder if Stephen Colbert now realizes what an insensitive, shallow, piece of garbage pig he is."

Nope. He's just like many of the DL-ers in this thread.

Ummm...hello?!

R36: An oncologist interviewed in the Times was hesitant to speculate, but she noted it’s likely all of visually detectable cancer tumors were removed and the chemo is meant to take care of any remaining cells.

Agree with R19. Public figures will usually put as positive a spin on their cancer diagnosis as possible. That's not happening here. Very ominous.

"[I]n exchange for good press about she...."

OH, DEAR!

I'm fascinated by the vehemence of some posters, which I've seen on other gossip sites, too. I think there must be a rabid pro-M&H/anti-Catherine/William site where they exchange conspiracies and gin each other up, so that when they post here their crazy stands out in stark relief.

^ Yup. KAnon Central.

The weird thing about the Colbert joke was how random it was. It was written by someone with deep knowledge of the stan wars and wasn't funny--making fun of a name of someone nobody knows or cares about. And odd that someone who makes so much of being a devout Catholic would take a swipe at a sick woman for being allegedly cheated on.

IDK if it has been reported here, but her cancer is stage 4. On Twitter, Christopher Bouzy found an acct which reported her cancer and specifics ahead of the press and the announcement. This acct said it is stage 4 cervical and she is not going to make it.

Kate needs to do a live stream next time she’s in the chemo chair.

This comment in the Yahoo News article is having me very worried for her.

“There is a cancer called LMS that many women have. Many times it starts in the uterus and various other muscles. It's a soft tissue sarcoma. I know because I was diagnosed with it 4 1/2 years ago. Mine was caught very early, the nodule about 1/2 cm. They thought they caught it early also. 3 years later it spread to my lungs. This is where it goes oftentimes but it can attach to any muscle. People have had arms/legs removed. It's an awful cancer that is considered incurable. I don't wish this on anyone. I have been fortunate so far. I did have l surgery to remove a small part of my left lung. My oncologist has recommended chemo infusion once every 28 days. I am getting a second opinion. There are so many treatments other than chemo. I hope and pray she doesn't have this but, perhaps, if more of a spotlight was put on this more would be done. I know there is research all of the time and we, who have it, are very thankful.”

What r15 said.

I could hear the strain of maintaining control

R33, you forgot the key element: meth, mental illness and Meghan. The perfect storm. These pointless little people somehow projected onto that piece of work their hopeless hopes and fury at their lot in life. Dr. King would like a word.

From a column in one of the UK broadsheets: "The internet – and especially Americans on the internet – have taken things to the next level. There’s an irony to where many of these conspiracies originate, recalling Samuel Johnson’s quip about the US War of Independence – “How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?”

We might say; “How is it that we read the most deranged tweets from people who claim not to care, or want, a Royal family?” Perversely, the global interest in the saga indicates the institution’s abiding soft power. Few politicians can command a fraction of this obsession."

Blake Lively certainly got herself into hot water over this.

r20 What you claim to be fact isn't . Not everything is a conspiracy

I don't get the sacrifice of privacy argument.

The King - the head of state, a function within government - has not disclosed exactly what kind of cancer he has. He has been more visible, yes, which may contribute to the settling down of the fuss over exactly what ails him, but his medical care does not appear to have been as invasive as Kate's. Neither does he have three young children to reassure first. You can't forget, these kids, whatever their privilege, are young and their mother is ill such that they have to be told. It's pretty fundamental. Kate's not a function within government and won't be unless her husband takes the throne.

It was disclosed that she underwent surgery. It was asked of the public that it grant her the respect of privacy to recovery.

It was disclosed how long she would be in hospital and when she would return to work. It was asked again of the public that she be granted the respect of privacy while she recovered.

It was disclosed she had cancer. She asked herself: "We hope that you will understand that as a family, we now need some time, space and privacy while I complete my treatment."

What's missing that the great public needs to know? One thing. What kind of cancer it is. I suppose so you can be as vulgar as possible on an informed basis for once. Why should she have to provide the specific details because you're nosy idiots?

So doing the obverse, here's the optimism I heard in the speech:

"The surgery was successful, however, tests after the operation found cancer had been present.

My medical team, therefore, advised that I should undergo a course of preventative chemotherapy, and I’m now in the early stages of that treatment."

"But most importantly, it has taken us time to explain everything to George, Charlotte and Louis in a way that’s appropriate for them and to reassure them that I’m going to be okay."

"As I’ve said to them, I am well and getting stronger every day by focusing on the things that will help me heal in my mind, body and spirits."

"My work has always brought me a deep sense of joy and I look forward to being back when I move on. But for now, I must focus on making a full recovery."

There’s been a security breach at the London Clinic in records to Kate’s medical records! Heads will roll.

R56 I think the time for spotlighting whatever type she has will come in time, but not right now. It's all too fresh. And I have a slightly different perspective about the prognosis. As for her presentation, I think Kate's demeanor was sober and serious, but it was not ominous. She probably hoped to avoid doing anything like this, but she and William were completely unprepared for how ugly things got out here. So she resigned herself to putting things right.

They could have handled this announcement in several different ways, but Catherine, very courageously, IMO, decided to face it head on personally, and get it over with. As someone who always puts a positive, even cheerful face to the public, who is seen to be vigorous and playful, this image we saw was a sharp contrast to that other one. I also think that while Catherine has made public statements and videos about serious causes like mental health and Well Child, etc. it is very difficult to talk about herself, especially to discuss something so personal. So I saw a rawness. She was poised and did what she came to do, but she was not happy about the fact that she had to do it. That's my interpretation, anyway.

We can speculate and share our own experiences of cancer but we really are flying blind here as far as what we don't know about her. I do think we have narrowed it down smartly, in that it is either to do with her colon or her uterus. Beyond that who can say. I'm not going to let myself think the worst. There will be plenty of time for that if it comes to it. I'm just going to send positive vibes her way and hope for the best.

Medical science has made amazing progress in the detection and treatment of cancer. Things have change drastically from what they were doing even five years ago. So I'm hoping for her and for everyone out here struggling with this, she will come out the other side of it and get better. From all I've read about her, she seems healthy, and while I don't know her family history, she does seem to have a wonderful support network around her, especially her kids and her family.

R54, you might want to check the track record on that one.

A well reasoned, compassionate post, R65. Get the fuck off this site now.

"Kate's collapse is complete! She will NEVER be Queen!"

Perhaps some long-time Dlers will recognize those words from the 2008 Obama v. Hillary threads, except I changed it from Hillary to Kate.

I've Stanned Catherine, Princess of Wales, since, years ago, I noticed what a superb eye she has in choosing her garments.

Yup, that's the kind of shallow hairpin I am.

To me, she is among the most fascinating famous women of Earth. Paradoxically, her superb boringness (that's the job description to be a future Queen Consort) has me in its tractor beam. I keep waiting in suspense, gaze at her in fascination, even as I want to flee, hungry to see an animated being.

She's superb at her role and deserves credit for that.

Which brings me to my first words. I strongly suspect that her medical diagnosis is : Circling the Drain.

Both Kate and Meghan Markle have (ignorantly, to my mind) been kicked around for "climbing" and snaring in their webs William and Harry. Nonsense. You can't be wedded to the unwilling, and, as I recall from watching both weddings, neither had a gun held to their heads.

I'm with Dominick Dunne, no slouch himself in the climbing department, who observed, "I like climbers. They're interesting to me."

What I find lends a touch of tragedy to all of this is that Kate planned, waited, produced and performed and I think she'll be dead before her husband and her are crowned.

"We make plans and God laughs."

r68 you really think she's that sick that she's knocking at death's door?

r69 I personally am not getting that from the video especially given the way she talked about telling her children I will be okay. Sure it could well mean she won't be here in say 20 years and that woustill be devastating to her but I detected nothing about the alarming semi imminency some on here do.

R5r 4 Catherine is not Stage 4 dumbass, despite "someone" "reporting" it on "Twitter." You trusting Boozy tells me what I need to know about you. Bye bye

[quote]I strongly suspect that her medical diagnosis is : Circling the Drain.

No, on some level, for some reason, you want to believe she's circling the drain.

It is illogical, irrational, and, most significantly, without factual basis.

The best that can be gleaned at this point is she had a serious operation, cancer in some form was subsequently found (likely in the removed tissue), and a course of chemotherapy has been prescribed.

I don't know Kate. I hope she gets well, because she seems like a nice person, has a young family, and does her job well. But I am no more in position to state she will recover than anyone is to state she's circling the drain.

There is no basis to think (if you can call it that) or "suspect" or "believe" or "guess" that she's terminally ill. As interesting, to me, is what drives you people to think that way in the absence of fact? What is this desire to kill off public figures?

r69, I think that's what I saw in her video.

I watched, heard, and most of all, sensed, super-human control that was performing the futile function of a spade desperately trying to bury, stifle, anguish and tears.

I know. I'll get to it first: Mary!

JFC.

R68, I'm 98% convinced you're Della.

[quote] What is this desire to kill off public figures?

Oh, boy. *eyeroll*

What is this desire to avoid noticing that none of us is getting out of here alive? It's not a matter of "wanting" one thing or another.

I never claimed anything other than what I sensed and added up from back in January when this all started to go down.

I didn't think the implicit needed pointing out. That is, of course, I hope she fully recovers. But I also deal with pesky reality where hope is often times left in the dust.

I'll make a promise. If Catherine, Princess of Wales recovers and is back on duty, I'll be the first to eat my words I posted here.

That is, if I'm alive to do so.

None of us knows a damn thing about how long we have. We only know existence and then the death of existence.

But your claiming of your sense has no basis in fact other than that, yes, news flash, at some point we all die. You didn't address the fact you're pulling your position out of... thin air. Nice try at backtrack, though, R76.

[quote]I'll make a promise. If Catherine, Princess of Wales recovers and is back on duty, I'll be the first to eat my words I posted here.

At that point my suspicion is I suspect you'll be the first, among very, very, very many, to announce that the cancer is bound to recur and she'll be dead in a year. And wearing a wig.

r76 But you don't sign your posts so how will we know you are eating your words?

So I missed most of the first thread on this, as I was in the hospital myself being told I need a biopsy,but it seems that the “insider” was telling the truth on here that her stomach operation went fine but everything went sideways after—which then caused a panic. Proving that not everyone on here is lying—despite people here constantly accusing.

I didn't think her appearance or affect in the video was ominous. She's a very serious, dutiful person who just received some distressing news and has been forced to disclose it to the world. She wants to be even more careful and composed than usual.

She's only 42 years old and probably is aware only 4.8 percent of cancer cases are diagnosed between ages 35-44. I would be freaking out to be in this group, knowing that even if I go into remission I have a lifetime of worry ahead of me.

Seriously, r77?

Cancer can cause death. I didn't pull anything out of thin air.

Catherine, Princess of Wales HERSELF said she was treated for cancer. William pulled out of a personal appearance. The secrecy (of which I don't begrudge her at all for) and then the seriousness of her demeanor at her video appearance, disclosing her diagnosis and treatment, all add up to me that this shit is deadly serious.

And r79 you'll just have to settle for me doing that; honoring what I wrote I will do.

And if that doesn't satisfy you, Tough Toenails.

According to some reports, the video took 22 takes. WTF? And there were hair, makeup and lighting people. That's just embarrassing.

R82, in general, to hope for the best is optimistic. To suspect the worst is morbid.

And try Epsom salts for your toenails. Works wonders.

The cynicism here is strange. Most people hope for the best for others and it's pretty easy to do that for strangers.

Ooooooooooooh. What a comeback.

(I hadn't see your post before I sent mine, R84, but sounds like we're on the same wavelength.)

R83 it probably took that many takes because she would start crying or tearing up,especially when talking about the kids. She’s not a professional actress ffs. 22 takes does not seem outrageous to me at all

R20/r28 must have been told a lie as a child and has never recovered.

It’s interesting, how many parasites there are that draw sustenance from the suffering of others.

[quote]It’s interesting, how many parasites there are that draw sustenance from the suffering of others.

Oh, the irony of that statement.

Random tacky celebrity puts her stink on the matter, makes it all about her.

Shannen, you"re going through a lot. Best wishes

[quote] According to some reports, the video took 22 takes.

Yes, and they ended up having to use the first one.

I agree with R70. I was thinking about her in the sense that I set aside the fact that she's a member of the RF. Looking at her as a young mother, a basically very happy person who's led a comfortable life, secure in her relationships with others in her world, and life is good. She has no financial worries, her kids are doing well, her husband is a successful person, and her siblings and parents and in laws are all mostly positive and supportive. She enjoys her work. Life is very good.

And then all of a sudden she gets this diagnosis. It has shaken her world up dramatically. Cancer. Still a terrifying word. It takes time to get used to that. To look in the mirror and say out loud. I have cancer. And then the task of telling all your loved ones. How do they react? Your parents are distraught, your siblings are upset and concerned, your in-laws too. You wish you didn't have to tell them. You wish you could pretend it's a bad dream, a mistake. But it isn't. And it takes time for you to adjust, to process it, and get used to it.

You do not want this to define your life. You don't want it to be the first thing people think of when they see you. You have things you want to do. Maybe work on more photography projects, and make a meaningful contribution to the health and welfare of young children, or work in your garden, or discover new things with your kids, travel, adventure, plans. Yes. You had plans. Now what? So this is a huge deal for Catherine as it would be for anyone.

So when I saw her video statement, what I saw was a serious, sober young woman who is still trying to adjust to her new reality. Her determined positivity IMO was very touching. I am certain that making that video was the last thing she wanted to do at this time. But she stepped up. She did it, and now I hope she can focus on getting through this so she can get on with all those wonderful plans.

Looking back I don’t think her people were outright lying to the public but instead were trying to control the narrative to give Kate some privacy as her condition evolved without knowing the true nature of her medical issues this coupled with the intense media speculation spiraled out of control and the video is the result. She looks tired and annoyed at having to speak publicly about something so personal and painful to stop the insane online bullying and speculation.

Kate maybe be a public figure but she is a mother first and she absolutely has the right to control when and who knows about her health because her young children come first not the nosy public and we are not owed an explanation or detailed diagnosis of what cancer she has.

At 42 she is way too young to have cancer and I wish Kate the best and hope she fully recovers. Perhaps when this is over she will share her story and advocate for cancer patients and bring awareness to those suffering.

[quote]Looking back I don’t think her people were outright lying to the public

It was a combination of lies and William the Horrible controlling the situation and not wanting to release anything. No one needed to know her exact diagnosis, her stans just wanted to know she was okay, and they fucked it up which lead to the previous two weeks. Just remember William let his wife with cancer take the fall for the photoshop mess.

Cancer?? That’s hilaaarious.

R86, it generally is, when that's your comeback.

Tough toenails, babe. (Formidable in its own right.)

[quote] On Twitter, Christopher Bouzy found an acct which reported her cancer and specifics ahead of the press and the announcement.

Oh well, that's credible, then. We can all go home.

Could anyone link to these reports of 22 takes? Or is it the reliable work of the internet detective agency?

R97 What specific lie did William tell?

This was on another thread , and it was very helpful to understanding what's going on. Maybe it will relieve some of the hand wringing in some of these posts.:

From paywalled NYT article:

Although it is not known what type of cancer Princess Catherine has, oncologists say that what she described in her public statement that was released on Friday — discovering a cancer during another procedure, in this case a “major abdominal surgery” — is all too common.

“Unfortunately, so much of the cancer we diagnose is unexpected,” said Dr. Elena Ratner, a gynecologic oncologist at Yale Cancer Center who has diagnosed many patients with ovarian cancer, uterine cancer and cancers of the lining of the uterus.

Without speculating on Catherine’s procedure, Dr. Ratner described situations in which women will go in for surgery for endometriosis, a condition in which tissue similar to the lining of the uterus is found elsewhere in the abdomen. Often, Dr. Ratner says, the assumption is that the endometriosis has appeared on an ovary and caused a benign ovarian cyst. But one to two weeks later, when the supposedly benign tissue has been studied, pathologists report that they found cancer.

In the statement, Princess Catherine said she was is getting “a course of preventive chemotherapy.” That, too, is common. In medical settings, it is usually called adjuvant chemotherapy. Dr. Eric Winer, director of the Yale Cancer Center, said that with adjuvant chemotherapy, “the hope is that this will prevent further problems” and avoid a recurrence of the cancer.

It also means that “you removed everything” that was visible with surgery, said Dr. Michael Birrer, director of the Winthrop P. Rockefeller Cancer Institute at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences. “You can’t see the cancer,” he added, because microscopic cancer cells may be left behind. The chemotherapy is a way to attack microscopic disease, he explained.

[quote] Oh, the irony of that statement.

“I know you are but what am I?” is the ultimate intellectually-bankrupt comeback.

So sad that I triggered you. Perhaps you’ll sue me for definition of character.

Now, back to dwelling and absurdly speculating on a stranger's illness with you, you truly pathetic specimen.

Thanks R103. I thought her abdominal surgery might be endometriosis and they discovered something else. That's very common. On the other hand, even before the surgery the official line was a long recovery period, so I wonder if cancer was suspected and they were being cautious.

r97 The Photoshop 'furore' is a media manufactured scandal. A total non scandal and nothing burger.

Sorry to see so many crepe hangers on here about the video. Not surprised, of course.

As for the video...

Besides the serious topic that Kate CHOSE to speak about herself, she wanted to convey to those who might listen with an open mind, her focus on her children, her family, and her treatment.

To do this video after all the crap, abuse, lies, and attacks that have flooded out into the ether in the last couple of weeks, after she released what she thought of as an innocent photograph celebrating Mother's Day, takes a strong person.

No matter how many takes it took, she kept at it until the result was what she wanted to convey. (BTW, I've read that the recording was done by the BBC, if that answers any of already bizarre claims on here.)

It's my hope that from now on, she completely tunes out any and all online or media crap, no matter the source.

Pull up the drawbridge, batten down the hatches, and repel all borders.

Hang in there, Kate.

On Instagram Jamie Lee Curtis calls for an end to the bullshit and the Megtards and Israel/Gaza combatants pile on. Social media is such a helpful addition to the world.

And once again, where was William in the video? He should have been by his wife's side, but once again, Kate's all on her own.

Be prepared for an “oh, dear”, r104.

[quote]According to some reports, the video took 22 takes. WTF? And there were hair, makeup and lighting people. That's just embarrassing.

I think it’s pretty obvious the video was not spontaneous or filmed by the Waleses. To me, that’s what makes it even sadder. Despite makeup and a wig, Kate still looked to be in rough shape. Still, I was impressed by her delivery. She did a good job of reading the statement with a degree of sincerity.

R111 Her delivery can’t be all that impressive if it took her 22 takes to get it right.

Why can’t people simply wish her well and leave her alone? There are so many moronic vultures on these threads. It’s very depressing.

Don’t be sad, R113. Most of the Kate haters on DL are the same person.

R122, does it matter how many takes? She got it right. From what I’ve seen, she is a good public speaker, so I think she’s had professional training. Could it be that it took 22 takes because she was too emotional and had a tough time?

My post at r115 was meant for r112.

R111 Kate is a terrible public speaker so of course they had to chop up the video into usable sections, just like her Mother’s Day photo.

Kate always looked good doing the job, but still sucks at public speaking 10+ years into a gig that require public speaking.

Though, she’s harmless so it doesn’t matter and she’s be the mother of the next king, if not a queen consort.

R115 she is not a good public speaker. She mumbles and stumbles over her worlds during speeches and off the cuff statements. But this was a pre-taped video that could make Helen Keller sound coherent.

R109 It’s obvious you are a sad troll but since you are here criticizing the video can you please explain why William needed to be in the video with Kate?

Why are we accepting this 22 takes business without some proof?

So internet detective agency.

I agree, good Pr is to have the English rose by herself in the video in front of her rose garden. It’s instant sympathy.

William had a resting bitch face, sorry it’s true, so adding him into the video would be melodrama and unnecessary.

The UK's Channel 5 (which airs loads of shows about the royals) were due to air a documentary called Kate: Our New Diana? tonight. Which is a somewhat... unfortunate title in light of yesterday's news. The schedules have now replaced it with a Grace Kelly documentary.

R118, no one said she was a great orator, but in the few snippets I’ve seen, she’s an adequate public speaker. In any case, she’s announcing a cancer diagnosis to millions of people. I wouldn’t expect her to be able to do it in one take. I wouldn’t be surprised if it took 100 takes.

I didn’t see any jump scenes, it looks like the video was one entire take. Any other video types see any different?

[quote]She mumbles and stumbles over her worlds during speeches and off the cuff statements.

She's not a natural. Comes across as stammery and awkward off the cuff. You can tell that she's reading from cue cards in that highly edited video.

Agree the video appeared to be one full take, no cuts or edits. So what if she was reading cue cards? It was a lengthy, emotional statement.

The BBC did the video, not the News branch but the corporate BBC branch which is separate. That's why it's so professional-looking. They didn't want any cries of "fake amateur doctoring"! on this one, they wanted it to be accepted 100%.

Christopher Bouzy is an idiot, Kate does not have Stage 4 cervical cancer. This is a woman who has annual medical checkups, with the best MDs in the UK. She probably has gynecologic exams twice yearly - any early stage changes to her cervix would have been seen a long time ago, and treated. Stage 4 cancer doesn't just appear overnight, ffs.

R124… well of course she read from cue cards, actually most likely from a teleprompter. The video didn’t appear to be edited at all, it looks like one compete take. But sometimes jump cuts are done so expertly that the video appears to be one smooth transition.

The video doesn't look edited at all to me. If it was edited, then it's pretty astonishing that Kate's PR team could edit jump cuts so seamlessly yet couldn't find anyone competent enough to photoshop a still picture adequately.

I think was done by the BBC, not Kensington Palace.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

The woman has cancer and we’re discussing the delivery of her message and how she’s a bad speaker. Stay cunty DL.

Bouzy is malicious in the things he's saying.

Meghan really is surrounded by all the best people. Scobie, her trolls here... the company you keep.

[quote]What you are seeing is a liar.

You're obsessed. Seek help.

[quote]there were hair, makeup and lighting people. That's just embarrassing.

No wonder. We've seen how the public goes insane over any pictures of her.

[quote]She looks tired and annoyed at having to speak publicly about something so personal and painful to stop the insane online bullying and speculation.

She undoubtedly has the good taste to find it vulgar to have to tell the world about her private medical issues.

I was just about to post that, thanks R130. One of the British talk shows mentioned that it was done in one take but I don't remember which one.

Who do you suppose this Kate hating freak is? Some internet rando, a Megtard or someone of more prominence?

We don't know if there were hair and makeup people, but what if there were? It's not embarrassing, as she is the Princess of Wales and this was a formal announcement. Anyone going on video before the world will want to look their best. I don't see the problem with that. Most women put on makeup when they leave the house, so it's hardly surprising that the POW would want to have her makeup people there.

[quote]One of the British talk shows mentioned that it was done in one take

Because they're so trustworthy.

[quote]She undoubtedly has the good taste to find it vulgar to have to tell the world about her private medical issues.

This is the life she chose.

R132, I have yet to encounter anyone as vile as a Kate stan. Go back and read some of their greatest hits.

R137, you defy description. On the topic of the royal family there is nothing lower than people like you. You are truly despicable. I can't imagine what you're like in the real world.

R135, I don’t get it either. I reserve my hate for people who deserve it, people like Dump and Putin.

R138, where do you get your news from that is so trustworthy? What news source should we all be following?

Well, r140, some people follow the news that’s being broadcast from their tin foil hat.

Here's the account mentioned by Christopher Bouzy. He tweeted yesterday at 4:57pm that there would be a 6pm announcement that Kate has cancer, and he added that he's been told it's stage 4. He was right about the first part, so there's a good chance he does have inside knowledge. Doesn't necessarily mean he's right about the cancer being stage 4, though.

^ that was meant for R137

Is that a sincere question, R140? Assuming so, I generally stick to the mainstream UK broadsheets and the BBC. I don't take anything on the internet seriously and I tend to get infuriated by people who do. It's like relying on the Magic 8 Ball.

He can't even spell metastasising.

[quote]This is the life she chose.

The way you people talk about a woman with cancer is mind-blowing. You should really take a step back and think about your own health. All that bile is bad for you.

" I have been told....blah blah...22 TaKeS....blah blah"

R135 We saw concerted paid trolls in here last weekend, part MegStains and part anti-Monarchy loons. Because lying about cancer details gives those two groups credibility (?)

R144, But the BBC production team who filmed the announcement said that it wasn't edited.

I really, really hope it’s not stage 4. As someone who lost a parent at a young age, it’s devastating beyond words. You never recover, ever. It shapes your personality from that point on in ways you can’t imagine.

God she looks so gaunt. She’s aged 10 years within a few short months.

This doctors tweet has it spot on .Shameful how Kate was denied the space to come to terms with her diagnosis.

The goal posts are moving so fast. First it’s Kate’s surgery announce that and recovery timeline (brief pause). Why is she in hospital so long? Then it’s Where’s Kate? Mother’s Day Proof of Life is edited! Where’s Kate? Grainy video at Farm Shop. Body doubles! Where’s Kate? Cancer announcement. What kind of cancer? Why weren’t we told until now! Why wasn’t William holding her hand? Jumping the queue for treatment! and on and on.

R152, in the absence of real information, people will fill the vacuum with noise. And sometimes even if they do have real information. It’s just the nature of life today in the social media bubble.

Whereas this obnoxious low life responding to the tweet reminds me of some posters in this thread Simultaneously asserts that Kate hasn't rights in this situation whilst claiming without any evidence that the public has total rights over her There are laws about medical privacy there are no laws about the public having a legal right to demand to know all health details about a public figure or someone on the public payroll. Their claiming Kates rights in effect are non existent and fiction in this situation when it's actually their rights that are non existent, fictional and only in their minds.

[quote]Shameful how Kate was denied the space to come to terms with her diagnosis.

That could have all been avoided if they had not released the Mother's Day photo. A Mother's Day message would have been fine. The problem with royalists is that they think the BRF does no wrong, never lies, and never fucks up. This was a major fuck up.

I'm not going to be a hypocrite and change my opinion because of her cancer diagnosis. I wish her well and a full recovery. No one should ever have to deal with cancer.

r153 it's the nature of a loud minority on social media its not the nature of life per se. You are giving social media more importance than it has . For example the majority of people in the UK are not on twitter. Only 1 in 6 are and of them 1 in 6 many accounts are not active often.

r155 The frenzy was in full swing before the mothers day photo. People seem to be wanting to do the mothers day photo explanation to do all the heavy lifting to avoid any responsibility for their own behaviour and actions. Projection in a way. Mildly Photoshopping a photo is not a scandal in the minds of grounded reasonable people. Your sweeping assertion is wrong, there is a spectrum and different types and degrees of royalist and very few fall into the the sun shines out of their backside and all the royals are perfect variety. I have been critical of the royal family all my adult life.. The media and social media behaved like bullies- mob rule.

What she meant to say is 'the nature of my life today is almost 100% virtual. I have no choice but to feel proud that I am a thicko. I blame society.'

Colostomy Kate

Autistic Louis

Bald Bully William

R156, social media is not just Twitter. It pretty much is the entire internet now (except for porn).

Fuck off Surviving Klan Granny.

R 155, if you think a Mother’s Day text instead of a photo would’ve been sufficient, well I’ve got a bridge to sell you. The tweet furor would’ve been even more intense. Kate a no-show @ traditional Mother’s Day salute, bruises on face? fled Windsor to escape William’s wrath! she’s pumped up on steroids! face lift gone wrong! Caribbean holiday on our dime? etc etc.

No it isn't r160. Sorry but more people use their Internet for shopping, porn, news, podcasts etc as well as streaming You are definitely overstating social media's importance which is magnified by lazy journalism. People should be encouraged to put the sewer aspects of social media into context not have it normalised and accepted as a part of life that cannot be challenged.

r159 Something tells me your one of those people who have be kind hashtagged on their social media , believes their enlightened and decent whilst being a complete arsehole.

R144

[quote] I don't take anything on the internet seriously and I tend to get infuriated by people who do. It's like relying on the Magic 8 Ball.

Thanks for that, R144.

R163, it may not be all, but it’s the majority. And I’m include all of the interactions and posts on media sites.

“As of January 2024, there were 5.35 billion internet users worldwide, which amounted to 66.2 percent of the global population. Of this total, 5.04 billion, or 62.3 percent of the world's population, were social media users.”

What was the rationale for not naming the kind of cancer? Not saying she owes anyone that explanation, just wondering if there are any p.r. gurus here who know why they wouldn't say if there's already so much annoyance over speculation.

[quote]The frenzy was in full swing before the mothers day photo.

Yes it was, but the photo sent everything into overdrive.

r166 The devil is on the detail . Social media user could mean someone who watches quiz and cute dog videos on YouTube and nothing else. It's too broad a term to have the important meaning or significance to make your point. The less you distinguish the different types , the less nuance you have , the more you dilute your point.

R167. Perhaps because people will be looking up the prognosis of that particular cancer and speculating when she is going to die.

R150 her images are usually touched up and highlighted. You’re just seeing the real Late, he’s done with limited filters. Real women are jarring when you’re used to seeing the glam version.

R167 Because it’s her private business and she has a right to privacy about her medical information.

If Kate says what kind of cancer she is suffering from publicly it will lead to endless speculation on the specifics, stage, treatments and prognosis which will cause her more stress because her kids will see this and they are to young to deal with the cruelty.

[quote] What was the rationale for not naming the kind of cancer

Maybe she’s uncomfortable saying she has cancer of the crotch. Seriously, though. If it is her cervix/uterus most people don’t talk about their private areas. Her kids may be teased at school about their mother’s anatomy. Saying lung cancer is different from saying cervical cancer. I doubt she wants people to start visualizing her cervix.

Of course, it includes all that r169. Maybe I’m overestimating social media, but you’re vastly underestimating it. Without social media, this stuff with Kate would have never blown up like it did. Ugh I should know better than to argue this with you. So I’m done.

Lol, Meghan’s troll brigade appears to have its marching orders.

1. Kate got cancer because she smoked and has an eating disorder. It’s her own fault.

2. William and Kate are despicable LIARS because they failed to provide the exact location of her tumor/s, plus the results of a full blood panel and PET scan to the public in a timely manner.

3. Kate’s BBC produced video explaining her condition is too little, too late and a shameless ploy for sympathy. She’s a terrible communicator and William is a shitty husband for not appearing in it. Also, she’s wearing a wig.

4. Kate’s cancer diagnosis is karmic justice. And it’s nothing compared to the incredible suffering Harry and Meghan have endured!

My best friend’s sister died of colon cancer at 43. But when hers was discovered it was inoperable. It had already spread to the liver. Whatever Kate has, it’s operable, so that’s somewhat good news.

The extended stay in hospital might have involved reconstructive surgery - if you have colon cancer, you might want to prophylactically remove your breasts if BRCA positive. If yiu have a double mastectomy you might have reconstructive surgery which involves longer hospital stay..

R167, would imagine that after everything she’s gone through, in just this past month, that she decided to only speak in general terms because she doesn’t owe the world a number on the stage of her cancer. If she shares the stage now that will cause the media spinning and speculation to go even faster, which will harm her children. She made the right choice. She decided to take control of the narrative back from the media, and I’m so glad she did, for HER own mental health. When a human being is sick, they deserve the right to completely get “selfish” and do what is best for their health. Fuck the media. This is about her and her kids at this point, it’s even bigger than the Crown (though she is so loyal, she is of course considering the Crown too).

R175, just stop. There will always be trolls in any discussion. You don’t know who they are or what their motive is. And to be fair, nearly all of the comments I’ve seen are very sympathetic to Kate.

I have been clear about the mishandling of this situation, but in no way does she owe anyone an exact diagnosis. No one needs to know her exact cancer. Look at what people are doing already, making guesses and diagnosing. That's not good for anyone.

R175 give it up. Both women will be criticized. That’s a feature of being a public figure. God forbid everyone on Earth doesn’t attempt to suck on Kate’s clit 24/7.

Last weekend and this week:

Kate's dying! Kate's cheating on William! William's cheating on Kate! William beats Kate! Kate's pregnant! Kate had an abortion! Kate's a Gone Girl! That's not Kate! Where's Kate? Kate's dead!

This weekend:

How dare Kate lie about her cancer diagnosis.

As a public figure, she lost an opportunity to advocate for a specific cancer by not disclosing it. Now people are gonna speculate even more about it like they’ve been doing for months after her surgery. The Kensington PR machine needs cleaning house.

"According to some reports, the video took 22 takes. WTF? And there were hair, makeup and lighting people. That's just embarrassing."

Who is providing these reports? The same ones who said she was dead?

R142 Who is this asshole Charles and where does he get his source that Kate is stage 4?

She has a right to medical privacy. She can still advocate for cancer patients.

R184, "Charles" joined Twitter in 2022 and has a total of seven tweets, the first of which appeared yesterday. So that's definitely a reliable source.

r137 Actually nobody chooses a life with zero privacy and rights no matter who they are - even the President of the United States. Its a lazy fictional strawman argument that doesn't stack up under scrutiny.

I don’t know how reliable “Charles” is, but he was the first to post that Kate has cancer. I suspect that the story that was embargoed was told to him by a friend. I don’t believe there was anything in the embargoed story that it was stage 4.

r182 No instead capitulation to mob rule people should learn to respect boundaries like medical privacy.

Prince Harry has put the acrimonious rift with his brother behind him to “reach out” privately after being told the Princess of Wales was undergoing treatment for cancer.

The Duke of Sussex made contact with both Prince William and the Princess on learning she had started a course of “preventive chemotherapy”, the Telegraph understands.

The Duchess of Sussex has also been in touch with the Prince and Princess amid reports the Sussexes were “blindsided” by the Princess’s announcement, which they learned of on Friday.

An insider told the New York Post: “They had no idea, and only learned of the news around the same time the rest of the world found out.

“This goes to show the irreparable damage they have caused. The trust has been broken and the royal family is OK distancing themselves from them.”

Sources close to the Sussexes declined to elaborate on when, or how, the couple found out about the diagnosis.

It is unlikely the Prince and Princess would have trusted the couple with the devastating news, which they kept within their very tight inner circle for several weeks to protect their three children.

Senior members of the Royal family lost all faith in the Duke and Duchess in the wake of their many television interviews and became “wary” of talking to the couple in case their words were repeated in public.

The Prince and Princess were said to have been devastated by the many intimate family revelations, text messages and conversations the Duke of Sussex shared in his memoir, Spare.

The Prince of Wales in particular, was angry about how his wife had been portrayed and was “mortified

Although Prince William is understood to have had reservations and questioned “why she should have to explain herself”, Kate apparently resolved that it was the only way to take complete ownership of the news.

“She’s got a steely determination inside her,” said one source who knows her well. “Once she’s put her mind to something, there’s no stopping her. She’s tough.”

Buckingham Palace released a statement on Friday expressing how the King is “so proud of Catherine for her courage” in speaking out.

The statement added that he has “remained in the closest contact with his beloved daughter-in-law throughout the past weeks,” and that he and his wife, the Queen, “will continue to offer their love and support to the whole family through this difficult time”.

The Princess’s announcement came six weeks after the King paused his public appearances following his own cancer diagnosis.

Some have questioned why it took Kensington Palace so long to break the news – which the couple received at the end of February. Yet as the Princess carefully explained, it took time to come to terms with the “huge shock”, not to mention working out how to “explain everything to George, Charlotte and Louis”.

As one Palace insider explained: “The timing priorities were wholly different for the Princess because her primary audience was always going to be an audience of three children rather than millions. His constitutional obligations meant he couldn’t keep it private.”

The Queen, 76, who has two children and five grandchildren is understood to have been “checking in on” the Princess and offering advice on how to handle the media storm.

“The Queen hasn’t gone through cancer but she has raised children in the face of a feeding frenzy so can empathise on that front,” added the insider.

When William, 41, announced he would be taking a step back from public duties to support his wife’s recuperation, he did it with his father’s blessing. And amid the adversity, the King and the heir to the throne appear closer than they have ever been.

It is not just a case of them working “in lock step” as King and future king on royal matters since the death of Queen Elizabeth II. The Megxit saga – with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex having launched repeated salvos against them, their wives and the institution of monarchy since they stepped down as senior royals in 2020 – has apparently strengthened their relationship as father and son too.

Yup r190, as much as people want to believe William and Harry hate each other, it’s clearly not true. You love your brother but not like them. I think that’s where they stand. And that’s alright but royalist want to believe William would toss Harry into the Tower the moment he takes the throne. I predict things aren’t as they seem between the two, despite the Wales and Sussex squads wishing it was a civil war.

End of sentence in R190: The Prince of Wales in particular, was angry about how his wife had been portrayed and was “mortified” his brother had betrayed them for commercial gain.

Also from end of article at R190:

Warm wishes – likely sent via text – from California in the wake of the health scare might open a channel of communication.

But any meaningful reconciliation between the two couples will rely heavily on a willingness to forgive and forget from the Prince of Wales.

The Princess, who is a known peacemaker, might do her bit to heal the brotherly rift. But with so much currently resting on his shoulders, it would take a giant leap of faith from the Prince to risk creating any further upset for his family.

Wow, they really tried their hardest to Theo Meghan and Harry into the conversation in that piece r193. Can we not see how much Bs the British press pushes. I’m sure while William was worrying about Kate’s cancer, he was also regurgitating 3 year old news about Harry’s book and interview.

I am sure HRH Meghan the Duchess of Sussex much admires the famous poet Maya Angelou, who famously said: “When someone shows you who they are believe them the first time.”

I do wonder about the strange timing. She had the operation in January and it took more than a month for biopsy results? Or is there some other scenario? The king found out within days. I think maybe they did a biopsy and initially did not see cancer cells, but sent out the sample for something very comprehensive. Any other guesses from the DL doctors/sleuths?

[quote]Wow, they really tried their hardest to Theo Meghan and Harry into the conversation in that piece [R193]. Can we not see how much Bs the British press pushes.

They've been trying to bring Harry and Meghan into this drama since it all began and they don't stop. I get it, a feud sells papers but they are relentless.

R28 have you any idea how unhinged and stupid you sound. I honestly can't work out if you are a complete mental case or on meths or crack. Please, just stop embarrassing yourself.

The Telegraph: The King is understood to have visited the Princess soon after arriving at the London Clinic in January for a planned procedure on an enlarged prostate, when his own cancer was discovered. The Princess was recovering in the private London hospital following abdominal surgery and her condition was not thought to have been cancerous until later tests revealed that “cancer had been present”.

The Times: Initially there was relief for Kate when her surgeons told her that the operation had been a “success”. That is still thought to be the case. However, it can now be revealed that the precise nature of her condition was not what the doctors had originally thought. She was told initially that it was “non-cancerous”, but post-operative test results revealed that cancer was present. The princess was then forced to take time to recover from the surgery before starting a course of “preventative chemotherapy”.

Yet Trump still lives on....

R199, just the transfer of talking points from Celebitchy or similar sewers. The only interesting part is that to cut and paste they first have to be able to actually read.

Thanks r200, I’m still wondering why it took more than a month to find out she had cancer.

R20 Wow. The mean-spirited vitriol in your post is off the charts.

Rabid Meghan stans like you are truly livid at the genuine outpouring of sympathy and well wishes for Kate and her family right now, aren’t you?

^ Actually I think I figured it out. We are assuming William learned of Kate’s cancer the day he missed his godfather’s funeral. They must have been told well before then, and maybe Kate started her chemo that day. She said she had to wait to heal before she started chemo. Anyway, I can’t imagine e any scenario where it took doctors a month to analyze a tissue sample for a diagnosis.

I never thought of that, R204. This must be driving them nuts. Or nuttier, I guess.

Yet Biden still lives on...

The formalin solution that’s used to preserve tissues takes longer to penetrate samples with lots of fatty tissue (such as breast biopsies). So, an extra day of fixation (formalin treatment) is sometimes needed. Large samples, such as when an entire organ is removed, might also require more than one day for the formalin to soak into the tissue. If formalin doesn’t penetrate the sample completely, cells might not be clearly seen under the microscope, so the microscopic exam might be more difficult and/or less accurate.

For most large samples, only selected areas are processed and examined under a microscope. After the first sections of tissue are seen under the microscope, the pathologist might want to look at more sections to help make an accurate diagnosis. In these cases, extra pieces of tissue might then need to be processed. Or the lab may need to make more slices of the tissue that has already been embedded in wax blocks. Either case might add 1 or 2 days to the testing time.

Although most often cancers can be diagnosed by looking at routinely stained sections, sometimes special stains or other tests may be needed to ensure an accurate diagnosis. For example, if histochemical or immunohistochemical stains are needed, this usually delays results for another day. Other advanced tests like flow cytometry, electron microscopy, cytogenetics, and molecular genetic tests can take even longer before results are ready. Sometimes a tissue specimen might need to be sent out to a specialized central lab, particularly for some types of molecular tests. Depending on the tests being done, the results of such tests might take as long as 2 to 3 weeks to come back.

Some tests usually give straightforward results, such as a chemical test that measures the amount of a specific substance or determines whether a substance is present or absent. But determining if there is cancer in tissue or cell samples is often based on the professional opinion of the pathologist who looks at the sample under the microscope. Although the abnormal features of some cancers are obvious, some have features that are very hard to recognize. Pathologists are also often reluctant to diagnose certain very rare types of cancer without getting a second opinion from an expert who specializes in that area. There are pathology experts specializing in almost every organ system (digestive, head and neck, breast, bone, reproductive, etc.).

[quote]Rabid Meghan stans like you are truly livid at the genuine outpouring of sympathy and well wishes for Kate and her family right now, aren’t you?

Thank God you don't know them in real life. Horrible people.

So it's possible we may actually see her from time to time in the coming weeks. They are going to Anmer. Cue work shy, down the road from Rose and just to use the doubles....

"The Wales family are to retreat for more than three weeks to spend time out of the public eye, as their three young children are given space to continue their childhood in privacy.

The welfare of Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis has been at the heart of plans to disclose the Princess of Wales’ treatment for cancer, timed to fit in with their Easter holiday when they could “circle the wagons”.

The couple took the decision for her to go public with the news after their children broke up from school, reducing the risk of them hearing other people talking about the Princess’s condition even in the most well-meaning of ways.

Their father, Prince William, will be with them until the end of the holiday on April 17, with the family retreating to their home in Norfolk as usual at this time of year.

They will not be photographed walking to church on Easter Sunday, with the Princess intending to make only the occasional public appearance – decided at the last minute based on her health – until advised by her medical team that she can return to work."

R184, I have absolutely no idea who Charles is or if he's reliable. But he correctly predicted yesterday before 5pm that there would be an announcement at 6pm that Kate has cancer, which is a hell of a specific prediction. That being said, it doesn't prove anything. He simply may have made an educated guess - it's been obvious for a while that something serious was happening with Kate. Or his source about Kate having cancer may have been legit, but he added the part about it being stage 4 just to bullshit everyone. Regardless, I hope it's not true. I hope her cancer has been caught in the early stages and is treatable.

r174 I don't believe in mob rule or a ra e to the bottom and gutted standards so even if everyone in the world was on social media I would still argue for medical privacy and boundaries. Just accepting social media noise as meaning you have to give in to the loud minority who are calling for and arguing for the unreasonable is insanity. Not everyone on social media has a strong opinion on Kate and the royal family and not all who have an opinion are demanding she has no medical privacy. Many many aren't. That's why I say details about what's being said is important to put stuff into context. I'd bet the mob rule nasty mouths on social media make up less than 10% of social media users yet an argument is being formulated that we have to respond to social media as if the majority of people on there are behaving like sewer rats.

I’m a woman and I know several of middle aged women—40s/50s— who’ve had cervical/ovarian/breast cancer. It’s not a death sentence. One of my friends died of a very aggressive form of breast cancer, but the others I’ve know with female specific cancers are doing fine.

That’s not to say that treatment of any stage of cancer is easy. My cousin had stage 1 breast cancer and has chemo and radiation that kicked her ass for a year.

I suspect what sev doctors in media reports is the situation—Kate had large, painful cysts/tumors in her lady region and had them removed (planned surgery). If they were large, would need abdominal surgery to remove. None of this particularly uncommon, though most women have less invasive surgery.

I’m many cases, these tumors are benign. But her docs found cancer cells, which is why she’s being blasted with chemo.

Hopefully, that does the trick and she can move on with her life after several miserable months on chemo.

I didn’t see anything in the video to suggest that her life is in imminent jeopardy, but who knows. What I did see was a woman clearly terrified by the diagnosis—as any of us would be regardless of the prognosis—and rightly irritated that she had take time out of her treatment to do this video to shut everyone the fuck up.

I had a breast cancer scare last year. I’m fine but didn’t know for two months whether I had cancer. My doctor assured me that if I did it was very early stage. Nonetheless, I was terrified. I’d never been sick in my life and facing my mortality for the first time rattled me to my core. And I’m 58–not 42 with kids.

So who the hell cares how many takes it took her to get through that speech (which was pitch perfect in time and content) or that she doctored a family photo so that everyone looked good? She’s facing the ultimate loss of control against an unpredictable enemy (and I’m not talking about Meghan). Let her have control where she can—manipulating a family photo and ensuring her statement reassures her kids, gives hope to other sufferers and (too) kindly requests privacy so she can get through this ordeal without having the pressure of putting on a happy face for the public.

The lovely Nicola Sturgeon's sister was out with something ahead of schedule as well. Something was making the rounds.

Meant to add, how she got it - or anybody else - is going to become a story once there's no more Kate shock to milk. If only because almost everybody in the media south of Gretna Green generally deplores the embattled Nicola Sturgeon and because you gotta run something...

Just listened to Lady C. Kate was very lucky the cancer was discovered when it was. Had Catherine not had the problem she had with abdominal surgery, the cancer would not have been discovered so early.

Public statement was made due to the breach of medical information. There are strong suspicions that the breach was initiated by a tabloid in the US.

Yes, Lady C... quick, what's River saying? We only want the best quality news here.

FYI, the media was told in advance that Kate has cancer and would be speaking at 2pm ET. The story was embargoed until then. That’s why news alerts were sent at exactly 2pm, when Kate began speaking. Some people broke the embargo and either posted it themselves or told someone else. It’s pretty simple really.

[quote]and rightly irritated that she had take time out of her treatment to do this video to shut everyone the fuck up.

LOL - agreed!

[quote]There are strong suspicions that the breach was initiated by a tabloid in the US.

It has to be TMZ, right? They're known for paying hospital employees for dirt.

It was PBS Newshour, Rose. Judy Woodruff was leaking the story at lunch in Georgetown.

From R214's link. When the Daily Star has the most balanced take, we're in trouble.

[quote]The most balanced comment came on the front page of Britain’s Daily Star, where the headline read: “World Goes Mad After Woman Goes Shopping.”

R216, The British media were informed about Kate's diagnosis shortly before her official announcement, but there was a strict embargo in place until Kate's video was released. Some media must have leaked it to certain people. This "Charles" individual ran with his own version of her diagnosis, as the timing of his tweet coincides with when the media were notified. No information about her exact cancer was given or revealed.

"Sources with direct knowledge told TMZ that the British media have been briefed on Kate’s condition, but there is a strict embargo on the information until 2 p.m. ET, 11 a.m. PT."

R178 It’s true. Most DLers have been sympathetic to Kate and have stated their hope for her full recovery.

Probably why derisive and oddly critical comments stick out like a turd in a punch bowl.

Don’t know about you, but I think it takes a special kind of fuckwit to express ill will to anyone in Kate’s position.

Interesting, r222. I hadn’t heard it was her. But the story definitely leaked before the announcement.

I just watched Kate Middleton’s statement, and she did a decent job. I mean, not that much can be expected of her right now, really (even if public appearances and PR are what she’s paid for.) She was clear and composed. It’s hard to judge because her demeanor is so shrouded in that English reserve that’s loath to (or incapable of) expressing genuine emotion.

Still, I have no positive feelings for her pampered, underachieving self, even if I don’t actively wish her dead. (Let’s not get too dramatic.)

Yes—R226. I was with Andrea Mitchell and Nora O’Donnell, having Cobb salad and chenin blanc, when Judy came by with a shit-eating grin.

[quote]R109 And once again, where was William in the video? He should have been by his wife's side, but once again, Kate's all on her own.

I have mixed feelings about that. You would expect her husband to be at her side if this is really such a huge deal - yet it’s kind of sensible and even feminist for her to do the announcement herself. It’s really her issue first and foremost - Her Body, Her Choice - so it’s fine for her to be the only one in the shot.

[quote]R228 …when Judy came by with a shit-eating grin.

Judy Pills?

She also took all the blame for that photo fiasco.

It would be nice to see William supporting her.

Response 248 from the other thread wishing you well. I believe you’ve posted before and I hope to be able to read about your full recovery some day soon; (although you’ve no obligation to do so of course)

Who is the idjit in the other thread who kept saying that three months is too long a recovery period for intestinal surgery? That’s exactly how long the recovery for a resection is.

As for the pathology taking a long time, I’ll add that if the assumption is that you don’t have cancer, your specimen isn’t going to get expedited processing.

I’d think the PrinCESS of Wales might qualify for expedited review. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[quote]Don’t know about you, but I think it takes a special kind of fuckwit to express ill will to anyone in Kate’s position.

Welcome to Megistan.

It rubbed me the wrong way how people were absolutely freaking out about why she was being so "secretive" and this is why. This is a terrifying diagnosis for anyone, even if found early. She needed to process this herself, her husband and kids needed to process it, but instead, gossip websites went full Qanon on her and then decided to bring up years old rumors of Williams affair. And, BTW, Kate's sister named her kid Rose a few years after those rumors-Can people use some goddamn sense and realize her sister, who she is very close to, wouldn't name her daughter after Williams affair partner?

Anyways, I wish her well. My stepfather died of cancer (pancreatic), and my sister is dealing with stage 4 bile duct cancer. It's devastating.

This is why people should mind their business. Clearly she didn’t want to speak on her medical situation so her children wouldn’t catch wind of something she wasn’t ready to discuss with them. So disgusting how people made videos meddling into this poor ladies life and if she’s lying or if she’s dead. Sick of entitled idiots because of social media.

[quote]Can people use some goddamn sense and realize her sister, who she is very close to, wouldn't name her daughter after Williams affair partner?

That would spoil their fun, R235.

[quote] An insider told the New York Post: “They had no idea, and only learned of the news around the same time the rest of the world found out.

[quote] “This goes to show the irreparable damage they have caused. The trust has been broken and the royal family is OK distancing themselves from them.”

I suspect this is true. Would you tell Harry & Meghan anything in confidence?

Oh I’m sure if they had suspected cancer she’d be at the absolute head of the line R233, but given that they were so sure it wasn’t that they put it in the announcement why would they?

[quote] As for the pathology taking a long time, I’ll add that if the assumption is that you don’t have cancer, your specimen isn’t going to get expedited processing.

Unless you're the future queen.

Imagine finding out you have cancer as a mother of young children and having to come to terms with the absolutely horrifying thought that you might not be around to raise them, and meanwhile the whole world is watching and feverishly speculating that your husband is cheating on you and plotting to leave you for his mistress. People are awful.

She should’ve worn a stylish head scarf like Princess Caroline during her battle with cancer. That ridiculous wig indicates hair loss will be the most tragic aspect of this whole ordeal…at least in Kate’s eyes.

I don’t think any of us knows the time line. Are we sure that William found out about the cancer before his godfather’s funeral? It was February 27th. That’s more than a month after Kate’s surgery. Or is it just an internet rumor?

She got the results back

R242, it’s a huge deal for women to lose their hair. I can’t believe anyone would kvetch about her wearing a wig.

R241 Yep, and I saw one post on Twitter yesterday, someone was saying she was hidden because William beat her up. Disgusting.

I admit I was caught up in the whirlwind and was speculating. I feel horrible now. Lessons learned I suppose.

Her job is to be a public figurehead in exchange for vast wealth built off of broken colonies and genocide. I certainly don't wish cancer on her, nor do I relish it, but this idea that they're just normal people who are above public scrutiny and potentially negative attention on the internet is ludicrous.

Please fuck off R248. This is not the time.

A married young woman, mother of three has been diagnosed with cancer and she had to get through it while basically the entire world was making fun of her.

Either show some grace or shut up.

I don't think you need to feel horrible, R247. Kensington Palace fucked up, they made the whole thing look unnecessarily suspicious.

The palace should apologize for throwing a woman with cancer under the bus for a photo she probably had nothing to do with.

I cannot believe we’re doing this “you should all feel ashamed” song and dance as if the palace didn’t lie for weeks and that’s what people were making fun of. Please.

For R248 and those like it, though I doubt it will change much.

Let me start with a story. It’s a story of my son and me travelling to Birmingham to watch the table tennis at the Commonwealth Games a couple of years ago. He was only eight and beyond excitement as we took the train up from London, treating ourselves to first-class tickets (this is relevant to the story). We chatted about who we would watch, who would win, what we would eat for lunch. It was magical.

A little way out from Birmingham International, our stop, I told Ted I needed to use the lavatory and I’d be back in five minutes. He looked a bit apprehensive to be left alone and asked if he could wait outside it. So I went to do my thing while he waited in the vestibule, and then I heard the sound of a woman’s voice. It wasa kind voice; a concerned voice. “Are you alone?” she said. “No,” Ted replied, “I’m waiting for my dad.”

As I was washing and drying my hands, I heard peals of laughter coming from the two of them. My son had taken out my Commonwealth gold medal from Manchester 2002 (which he’d insisted on bringing with us) and was clearly brandishing it proudly. They were now bantering, enjoying each other’s company, and I felt a genuine sense of gratitude. My son had been made to feel special by this stranger, and I resolved to thank her warmly.

When I got out, though, I was hit with a shock. I smiled at Ted, turned to the woman to say thanks … and stopped abruptly. My face worked. I opened my mouth and then shut it again. Eventually I blurted out: “Kate!” “Hello,” said the Duchess of Cambridge, as she then was, with a warm smile, instantly putting me at ease. For minutes we chatted (she was also going to the Games), and when the train pulled into Birmingham International, we were still talking.

“Come on, Dad, we’ll miss our stop,” Ted said. As we walked along the platform, he said: “That woman was so nice!” He still didn’t have a clue who it was. “That was the future Queen,” I said, and his eyes almost caught alight.

I hope that it’s possible for republicans and monarchists to agree on one thing: Kate is a priceless asset to our nation. In everything she has done since taking on the daunting role of future queen, she has conducted herself with grace and dignity. On that train she had no idea she was talking to the son of a journalist or that her spontaneous kindness would ever be reported. I take this to mean that her behaviour was representative of the decency that has been such a striking feature of the testimony of all who meet her.

And that is why we should be sickened to the stomach by what has unfolded in recent weeks. I can’t help contrasting the quiet dignity of a woman explaining the trauma of a cancer diagnosis with the lurid gossip of those who taunted her with ever more fantastical stories of why she was absent from public life. At almost precisely the time viral tweets were claiming she was recovering from botched plastic surgery or engaging in various depravities, she was commencing chemotherapy. When in her video she talked of her desire to protect her children, my mind went out to George, who is the same age as my son Teddy. Those young ears will unquestionably have been exposed to some of the vile speculation at the very moment he has been at his most vulnerable.

What has happened to us? Did we learn nothing from the tragedy of Diana? It is important to understand, by the way, that these mad rumours are not conspiracy theories in the conventional sense. People don’t believe the bullshit circulating online. They are breathlessly amplifying this nonsense precisely because it is fantastical, escapist, felonious; it is a way of switching off from real life, even though there are real victims at the sharp end. This is, if you like, the football hooliganism of the digital age, low-grade delinquency from which perpetrators gain a grotesque and selfish high.

In his seminal account of infiltrating a “firm” of hooligans in the 1980s, the American journalist Bill Buford wrote: “I had not expected the violence to be so pleasurable. This is, if you like, the answer to the hundred-dollar question: why do young males riot every Saturday? They do it for the same reason that another generation drank too much, or smoked dope, or took hallucinogenic drugs, or behaved rebelliously. Violence is their antisocial kick, their mind-altering experience.”

A 1994 article in the journal of the Cato Institute put it this way: “Certain kinds of high-profile events have become traditional ‘starting signals’ for civil disorders … People near a ground on game day know that mischief is apt to occur. They relish getting drunk, fighting, enjoy the whiff of anarchy … Hooligans make a point of being where the trouble is likely to start.”This, to me, captures almost uncannily the actions of those who engage with the latest conspiracy, who retweet it, who amplify it, whether the “starting signal” is a story about Kate or some other quarry. The whiff of anarchy, the mind-altering kick, is amplified — and this is the crucial signifier of the online world — by algorithms that themselves feed on the emotive and sensational, creating a feedback loop that is deranging our world. We know that in complex systems, wholes can behave differently from parts. An ant colony, for example, is made up of individually unintelligent parts, but forms a coherent and intelligent whole. Humanity is going the other way: intelligent, often decent individuals, whose collective online behaviour is now consistently psychopathic.

And here is where we in the mainstream media perhaps need to gain a new handle on the digital world. Instead of stories trumpeting “wild speculation about the Princess of Wales” or “false theories spreading like wildfire”, wouldn’t it be better either not to report them at all or to do so more rigorously?'

Here’s a different way the Kate rumours could have been reported: “Fewer than half of the UK population are on TikTok or Twitter/X, and only a small proportion create any content at all. But of those who do, a tiny group of idiots and bots have invented lurid claims that have been amplified by fools and fanned by algorithms designed to make the billionaire owners of these platforms more money, and that leave our society stupider and crueller.”

For here’s the truth that has been absent from the Kate story. Most ordinary Brits felt she should have been given space after her operation, that she should have been left alone, that this admirable woman should have been given a chance to recover rather than being on the receiving end of bizarre speculation about an impostor going to a farm shop or oppressive analysis of the “crime” of touching up a family photo in the way many people do these days.

After I learnt of Kate’s diagnosis, I called my son to tell him. “I hope she gets better, Dad,” he said. “So do I,” I concurred. But I couldn’t help entertaining another thought. I hope we get better, too.

R248, I assume you feel the same way about Jill Biden's medical records?

LOL @ the Mail's present headline:

Cancer-stricken Kate 'doesn't need Meghan or Harry to console her,' warns royal expert who recently branded Duchess of Sussex 'very narcissistic, very controlling, very dominating'

The Mail never fai…er, always fails! British journalism: hypocrisy is thy lodestar.

R243, the Daily Mail reported that Kate's diagnosis was the reason William pulled out of the funeral (I don't want to link to the article, or DL will replace my post with a rant about how much the Mail sucks). The author didn't give a source, though, so they might just be guessing.

R221 Lady C mentioned TMZ in her video but I’m not sure she tied it directly to the breach. I’m sure she needs to be careful for legal reasons.

I’ll bet it was TMZ.

PBS!

R242

Maybe she’s trying to keep things as normal as possible for her children.

[quote]R235 people were absolutely freaking out about why she was being so "secretive" and this is why… She needed to process this herself, her husband and kids needed to process it

I’m sorry - she chose (plotted, actually) to be a public figure.

You can’t be Half In/Half Out of that role. If she wanted privacy she could have become a beautician. Or a trolly dolly like her mum.

[quote]R249 A married young woman, mother of three, has been diagnosed with cancer and she had to get through it while basically the entire world was making fun of her. Either show some grace or shut up.

1.) As she’s in her 40s, she’s not young. She’s middle aged.

2.) What does being married have to do with it? You think it would be easier if she were a single mom?

For all that we're all (rightly) saying how awful it is that Kate's privacy has been invaded - let's be honest. If the people who tried to access her medical records had succeeded, and had subsequently posted them online... how many of us WOULDN'T have read them?

Which is why it’s illegal.

I just took a quick look at Twitter, and no matter how loony we get on DL, at least we’re not that cesspool of twisted rumors and fake information. So one of the ludicrous claims is Kate is dead the video was AI generated. Ayayay.

I just took a short nap. Did I miss anything?

[quote]Don’t be sad, R113. Most of the Kate haters on DL are the same person.

Pot, kettle, sockpuppet accounts.

[quote]An ant colony, for example, is made up of individually unintelligent parts, but forms a coherent and intelligent whole. Humanity is going the other way: intelligent, often decent individuals, whose collective online behaviour is now consistently psychopathic.

Ouch.

Love the trolly dolly comment R264. English snobbery at its most petty.

Trolly dolly turned millionaire.

At least Carole had a real job…

I’m sure everyone has known someone with cancer. In addition to older friends and family members, I’ve known three women around Kate’s age who had cancer. It’s cancer, so unless its a pimple that was caught early, it’s scary. But all three women acknowledged it in due course and did what they had to do to manage their lives while also managing their treatments and eventual recoveries, including dealing with young children and jobs. They weren’t celebrities, but I’m not sure how much that matters wrt the kids. The kids are at private schools and closely supervised. I’m not making comparisons to suggest that Kate isn’t handling the situation well or make judgements on how anyone should handle a scary and serious situation. But the comparison suggests her situation is very different. I don’t think this is her first round of chemo. It just seems extremely unlikely that she coincidentally started wearing a wig in the fall for some other reason. And the statement about it not being cancer now seems ominous. It’s like they don’t care about the long-term consequences. Hopefully I’m wrong, even if it makes the whole circus more ridiculous, but I think they’re just buying time before they have to communicate the situation to the kids.

A somewhat older friend with older kids had to tell them he had cancer and it wasn’t good. He told me about it and obviously I wasn’t there when he divulged it to them, but the palpable sadness felt more like this.

I seem to remember a comment early on that said someone saw the Middletons leaving the hospital in tears. Does anyone else remember this? I can’t imagine my brain inventing something like that.

Wordy Wig Watcher Wonders with Worry.

[quote]I can’t imagine my brain inventing something like that.

Oh, honey. This is DL.

If some of you aren't careful, we are going to have to ask you to add "and I'm crying as I type" to your posts. This Datalounge, not iVillage.

R253 Photo of Kate here looks happy, healthy, and vibrant. What a difference with the way she looks now in that video announcement. I’m no Kate stan but I’m genuinely worried for her and hope she gets better.

r238 One of the stupidest things Markle ever did from the point of view of her own self interest in recent years is say in her The Cut magazine interview just a few months before the Queen died that she had never signed a NDA when marrying into the royal family and she could choose to say whatever she wants anytime should she decide. That signposted very vividly her mentality and more importantly intent.Never again could she be trusted. It also probably put off people in the social circles that they want to break into in the US as it made them look untrustworthy and mercenary.

R281, for once in your life, maybe don’t make everything about Megan Markle. Even trying to answer someone else.

It's so hard to take them seriously R282. They say they're Kate fans, but instead of sending love and healing to Kate or making donations to cancer charities, they're trashing Meghan. Such a weird and cruel fanbase.

r264 Wrong- There is no role in the world were you sign up for ZERO privacy. Only bullies make that kind of nasty argument.Yes being in the public eye they have less privacy but some things are still sacred. Your argument is frankly disgusting and amoral.

r283 I have never described myself as a fan of Meghan or Kate so try harder and step outside your childish mindset of being fans and fan wars.

r282 Threads on here evolve and the vast majority of my posts on these 2 threads have not mentioned Markle at all so there goes your insincere claim I have made everything about Markle.It was a relevant apt reply to a post that mentioned Markle not being told of the cancer news in advance. I know mentioning why Kate didnt trust her with the news does not show Harry or Meghan in a good light but it is relevant to this thread which is about Kate and who Kate trusts is reasonable angle.

R285, we can read.

r283 If you want to talk about weird and cruel fanbases then only talk about the self identifying Sussex squad because their reputation is dreadful in this regard, Dont look up Susssex squad hashtag on twitter you will be repulsed at how vile and low they are.

SA, your trying to reason with one of her squats. There's no point. Mean sows. They wallow is hypocrisy.

r286 Your telling me this because?? Your trying to curb my right of reply when someone throws accusations and snark my way? On your bike I suspect you can read but not comprehend. If your on an internet forum I kind of thought it was a safe assumption you could read!

r288 Thanks mate.Your right. I should know better than to allow myself to be pulled into a quagmire with those type of fools.

Again bringing up MM in a thread that isn’t about her. You keep proving the point, SA. Just shut up and don’t mention her. Try it. Good lord you’re in a quagmire of something. Let it go.

This is why the British press is fucked up. Kate has cancer, but they write a story about Harry and Meghan not being told. Who cares if they were or weren't? They made a public statement and that's all we need to know about it. End of story.

[quote]Dont look up Susssex squad hashtag on twitter

I won't, but my guess is whatever they post is in reaction to the horrible, awful things said by the William and Kate stans about Harry and Meghan and fed to them by the lying British press.

Is it cooter cancer?

[quote] 42 is young to get cancer, but everyone knows it's a possibility, particularly if you're undergoing major abdominal surgery after symptoms.

Huh? She had surgery because of the possibility of cancer. She didn’t get cancer from abdominal surgery. It’s the same with Charles. They both had surgery for possible cancer and the shit they took out showed cancer.

r291 It was another poster that brought her up not me and again it is relevant to explain why Kate didnt trust certain family members with sensitive cancer news.

r292 Actually a source told someone in the media that they had reached out to the Waleses - Dont be naively shocked if told the source who told the media source that and had their names then attached to the story was the Susssexes themselves .You see despite all the self righteous crap they have come out with it is well known in media circles that Harry and Meghan were just as guilty if not more so of briefing the media as anyone else in the royal family. They just sulked when they played that game and sometimes lost.

Your last sentence shows you are stuck in two childish mentalities , the media always lies its all a conspiracy and childish fan wars were one set of internet fools act like schooolkids saying it was all them miss I did nothing wrong and the other said do the same. No moral responsibility for their or maybe your behaviour at all the others were meanies who made you they be a vile piece of abusive trash on twitter. Grow up.

I think both Charles and Kate battling cancer at the same time will actually draw them closer together and strengthen their bond.

Fuck off, Surviving Klan Granny. Grotesque frau.

r287, I took a peek, and Jesus Christ, those people are demented, "Why isn't there wind blowing in the background in Kate's video? IT"S AI!! She doesn't have cancer! Her sister is vacationing while she has cancer!"

r298 They even accused William of murdering The royal in law who died last month. It really is disgusting stuff. I hope Kate avoids scanning social media and focuses on getting through her treatment and getting well again.

[quote] She didn’t get cancer from abdominal surgery.

I read R19's post as meaning that if your symptoms are serious enough to require abdominal surgery, you may have cancer.

[quote]it is well known in media circles that Harry and Meghan were just as guilty if not more so of briefing the media

Because the British media is so trustworthy and honest.

[quote]I hope Kate avoids scanning social media

Because she will see the type of horrible people who support her?

I remember the Madeline McCann disappearance. There wasn't much social then. But the people attacking the parents got right out of control. Police were involved in some instances. At lest one wound up named and shamed in the tabloids. The lunacy of the Sussex squad reminds me of those people and I'll bet some of those trash will wind up in the Mail etc. yet. When they run out of poor Kate stories next week, the tabloids will be looking for fresh meat that fits the theme.

[quote] "Why isn't there wind blowing in the background in Kate's video? IT"S AI!! She doesn't have cancer! Her sister is vacationing while she has cancer!"

I know that in real life, Pippa's holiday had probably already ended by the time Kate was diagnosed - but if this were an episode of The Windsors, Pippa would TOTALLY go on holiday in the hope of getting papped in a bikini after Kate was diagnosed with cancer.

R300, my intent was to analyze the "huge shock" element of the statement. What is the huge shock?

If you have growths, pain, or any other issue serious enough to require opening up your abdomen, you have to realize there is a possibility of cancer.

Generally, 42-year-old people know that cancer happens to people their age.

Every time I have a stomachache or back pain, I think it's cancer. Maybe that's because my mother was diagnosed when I was a teen and died seven years later.

But what is the "huge shock"? I'm afraid her affect and word choice indicate the shock was a poor prognosis. I hope that's not the case.

I'm commenting on this from the perspective of someone whose mother had to "break the news" again and again. If the outlook is positive, you cling to that and play it up for your kids—not to mention an entire nation that needs reassurance. I'm not seeing that here.

Again, I hope I'm wrong.

I’m not SurvivingThisThread.

r301 Arr your very Trumpian in your tactics! dont believe anything the media says about Harry and Meghan -unless its nice! Never trust the media only trust what we say. You are VERY naive if you believe Harry and Meghan never ever briefed the media about other family members.

I dont doubt there are awful Kate supporters as there are awful Meghan supporters but the Sussex squad hashtag should disabuse you of any notion that organised online Meghan supporters are alll so innocent.I dont think i have ever come across a celebrity with a more toxic fanbase.They really do her no favours and yes I do think Kate doesnt need the irrational mob rule of social media to be any kind of focus for her right now if ever.

On another note I wonder if Nicola Sturgeon will lose her place on the privy council for telling her sister the confidential information about Kate pre announcement.

R304, she was likely expressing huge shock because the doctors did not expect to find cancer. That's been reported.

R299, there seem to be a lot of nutters on both sides. Some of the Sussex stans on social media are completely unhinged in their hatred of Kate, making utterly vile comments about her and justifying it with "she's a fragile white woman" (even though many of them are white themselves). They're also convinced William is essentially Satan. But on the other hand, I've seen some fucked-up stuff aimed at Meghan as well, some of which is borderline racist. The whole concept of the monarchy is so anachronistic, yet people are still clearly influenced by it: Kate and Meghan have both ended up with some truly obsessive fans who are burning up with hatred for the other. Turns out that even in the 2020s, if an attractive woman becomes a princess, people will go bonkers over her.

Msrkle deserves the fanbase that she cultivated. Like attracts like.

R304: “In January, I underwent major abdominal surgery in London and at the time, it was thought that my condition was non-cancerous,” said Catherine, 42, who is married to the heir to the British throne, Prince William.

“The surgery was successful. However, tests after the operation found cancer had been present. My medical team therefore advised that I should undergo a course of preventative chemotherapy and I am now in the early stages of that treatment.”

Therefore,shock.

R304, I think anyone would be shocked to be told they have cancer. Even if you already had suspicions, the diagnosis must be a horrible moment. It's human nature to think "but it won't happen to me". Sorry to hear about your mother.

r308 I would argue that sometimes anachronistic works . Even in very modern liberal countries like Sweden and Denmark even the Netherlands monarchy works and does not hold society back.If you were creating a new country from scratch you wouldnt start with a royal family but its role has evolved overtime and is largely benign, there is no such thing as a perfect democracy or perfect democratic system.Having a head of state who is partisan or ultra partisan like in the US is far from ideal too. But anyway that is a whole other debate but I agree with you that there are awful uber fans on both sides. They are the minority but a loud and ugly minority. I for instance have never bought into the idea that Markles children were born of surrogacy and felt that was a cruel slur. I also think it is unreasonable to insist Meghan and Harry dont do anything were they are enjoying themselves whilst Kate is receiving treatment because it would look cruel.Thats silly life has to go on and as long as they are not mercenary then to hold them to a standard of doing nothing incase you appear insensitive is damned silly.

R312, I deplore Markle based on her choices, agree with your post and further thought the yacht girl stuff is ugly and untrue. I don't know where it came from but pure garbage. Still, she's awful.

Surviving Sad Sack, why do you always turn every thread into a discussion of Megan Markle?? Every single one. You are beyond obsessed with her. It’s really weird. Maybe take a break. Go on a vacation. Because… it’s effing weird.

Anyone would heed that advice ^ rolls eyes emoticon

The video was recorded in one take. Why do people blatantly lie?

If the video was a composite of several takes, wouldn't Kate have had to sit completely still (not even moving her head or hands slightly) throughout all of them to ensure there were no obvious jump cuts? It would be miles easier to just keep filming until you got a good take. I think Kate's capable of reading from cue cards for a few minutes.

r314 No I dont and I only responded to another poster who introduced her into the topic.

I have tried numerous times to introduce other relevant elements into this thread to no avail. Blake Lively ending up in hot water after mocking Kates abscence? Theres juicy thread discussion potential in that as there is in Nicola Sturgeons sister leaking info which could lead to her sister losing her place on the privy council. Kim Kardashian is still receiving heat for her mocking of missing Kate . Will Kates illness lead to Beatrice being made a working royal to fill the gap or cause the elderly Gloucesters to up their workload? Theres lots of relevant on topic angles nothing to do with Markle and some of which i have tried to introduce.

r313 Yes some rumours on both sides go way beyond acceptability and rationality. I see Kate and William focusing on Kate getting well again and a reconcilation will not be a priority -she has her parents, siblings and other royals like Sophie, Zara and increasingly Bea and Edo who they are close too.

[quote] took a peek, and

A peek where?

If Kate dies before Charles, who becomes Queen? Could King William choose someone? I think Charlotte would be a popular choice.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

in above r321 post Daily Mail columnist Sarah Vine has apologized to Kate for putting pressure on her to reveal more. Credit were its due it was the right thing to admit she was in the wrong.

Why are you hijacking this thread? Geez. Start your own thread.

r320 Nobody unless he remarries

[quote]Nicola Sturgeons sister leaking info which could lead to her sister losing her place on the privy council.

Do we know for sure that's what happened? Maybe the sister used her psychic abilities to discern the truth.

r325 LOL I hadnt considered that possibility!!! Bet Sturgeon is fuming- How hard was it for her sister not to post anything before 6.10 and thus keep it unknown her sister shared the confidential news with her??

Nicola Sturgeon doesn't do rules.

[quote]Could King William choose someone?

In the tragic possibility of Kate's passing William should declare himself nonbinary so he may be crowned king and queen.

High time [bold]THE CROWN(TM)[/bold] caught up with the times.

Hilarious, R328.

[quote]r308 Kate and Meghan have both ended up with some truly obsessive fans who are burning up with hatred for the other.

It’s really nothing new, as there’s always a fraction of any population that’s unhinged. (God, have you ever followed a Marilyn Monroe vs. Elizabeth Taylor thread here?) But that doesn’t mean the vast majority of the world’s invested.

Middleton and Markle have fans, a small number of obsessed fans, detractors, a small number of obsessed detractors… against the backdrop of a huge number of people who barely know who they are and will have no reaction whatsoever when they die.

R302 I remember that Madeline investigation. Sky news did a feature on the bike bullies and idiots on twitter etc who were sending hateful messages to the parents accusing them of murdering their child. The actually approached and confronted one of these trolls in the street, not sure how they tracked her down. She was the most unassuming middle aged woman with a family. Her answer was I have done nothing wrong.

The next day she booked into a hotel and killed herself.

F and F Surviving Klan Granny. She's a schizo in a manic phase.

Cancerous Charles

Colostomy Kate

Autistic Louis

Pedo Andrew

Domestic Abuser William

R333 you forgot to add yourself to that list.

Mentally retarded drug addict with no friends, no job, no money and no hope of anything changing for you.

Soon you will be found dead in a shabby rented room or the gutter, and not a single person will mourn you. Your whole existence was a life wasted.

Now fuck of away from here because for sure none of us like you. We pity you.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Watch out, sugars.

There's no more news from the monarchy, but the story still sells.

So the Mail et al are going to be looking for the online trolls.

They were due to film a new series of The Windsors at the end of last year, but Haydn Gwynne (Camilla) died and it was cancelled. They'll have to rest the show while Kate is receiving treatment, anyway, or it'll be poor taste. Which is a shame, because I wanted to see what happened with Pippa continuing to impersonate Sophie because Edward is great in bed.

R253, the stretch of comments beginning with this one recounting that story is syrupy dross. What a melodramatic Mary that journalist is, and I don't believe a word of it. I'm sorry Kate is dealing with cancer, and I pity her for having to also deal with the lurid media mess caused the ineptitude of the BRF PR, but let's keep the emotionally manipulative, overwrought anecdotes to a minimum.

Nicola Sturgeon's sister posted on Facebook that Nicola wasn't the one who told her and that she "read it online". Bit of a strange coincidence, given that the news wasn't shared widely (if at all) online before 6pm, and that her sister is a member of the Privy Council.

The should do one more season of The Crown, just to bring us up to date on the real behind the scenes history.

R338, you might tell The Times, rather than me.

I'm sure we can count on Nicola and her sister to be entirely truthful.

Why are you blaming online assholery and the course of events on "ineptitude of the BRF PR?" I guess it didn't occur to you that a woman, Catherine, called all tbe shots on her illness.

for the blowhard at R253 ^

[quote]Catherine, called all tbe shots on her illness.

I think she is as clever, cunning, and scheming as anyone else, but I think this was all William. I don't think she's some delicate flower, like many do, but she did just get a cancer diagnosis. No one is thinking about next steps and PR after that kind of news. Your survival instincts kick in. She's focused on saving her life. William is handling everything else, badly.

I'm the blowhard at R253, R344. I never said any such thing. What are you talking about?

sorry, should've been stiff upper lipped R338.

Prince William is dealing with both his wife and his father having cancer, and the emotional impact it's having on the entire family. Not to mention the neverending onslaught of abuse online. He cannot make rational decisions on his own under all that pressure and stress. While he and Kate are involved in the decision-making, the Kensington PR team is supposed to be experts in dealing with the drama. That's their entire job. If they allowed William to make all the decisions against his best interests, they failed at their job and should be fired. They should be fired anyway because they should have known how to handle this from the beginning.

[quote]William is handling everything else, badly.

Dad with cancer, wife with cancer, in each case we know not how advanced. Brother abroad and not to be trusted, no Mum around. Three young children absorbing what they can of very serious news. He's done some public events despite all the above. However highly privileged, he's still human, and anyone would flounder somewhat in such very challenging times.

[quote] Now it looks like she's going to kick off decades early, and even worse, she introduced early cancer into the royal bloodline.

R42 in 20 years, CRISPR will fix this.

Kate introduced cancer into the bloodline?

didn't Q E II's father die of it?

Don't they also have hemophilia, close-set eyes, baldness, and possibly sausage fingers?

The Windsors, over four generations, have included smokers and appear to have a sensitivity to respiratory abuses.

Cancer introduced by the Middleton-sources genes?

Hardly. And add

Cancer is in everyone's bloodline.

R351, King Charles has it too, as did his grandfather, King George Vi so it's already in the bloodline. Speaking of which wouldn't she need to have another child to introduce it into the royal line, by passing it down through that child? Otherwise, it's just her in isolation.:

"But a genetic change that increases the risk of cancer can be passed down (inherited) if it is present in a parent's egg or sperm cells. For example, if a parent passes a mutated BRCA1 or BRCA2 gene to their child, the child will have a much higher risk of developing breast and several other cancers"

Jesus now we’re blaming Kate for bringing cancer into the royal bloodline. Hasn’t she suffered enough? Are you guys serious right now?

r356, a Kate-Hater posted that upthread or on the first thread and the last posts here are correcting that stupid observation.

r356 It's also likely inaccurate. The Queen Mother had bowel cancer in the 1930s I believe and as far as we know no other family member suffered with it and she lived to nearly 102!

After reading some of the bullshit posted on these threads I am nom longer baffled at how so many people in t he USA are so so gullible to conspiracy theories that defy logic to the rest of us.

[quote]Shameless trolls are now spreading bizarre and offensive social media posts about the Princess of Wales' brave cancer video

The word "brave" makes me nervous. Too reminiscent of "brave last days."

King Charles doesn’t have CANCER cancer.

[quote]R356 Hasn’t she suffered enough?

Are you saying Kate Middleton’s a DLer? How would she possibly know what we’re saying here… let alone “suffer” from it?

R358 According to her official biography by William Shawcross the Queen Mum had colon cancer in the 1960s (but never had a colostomy bag despite decades of rumours). She also had breast cancer in 1980s. Both George VI and Queen Mary (his mother) died of lung cancer. Queen Elizabeth II has been rumoured to have died of bone cancer. Prince Philip was rumoured to have had some form of cancer in his final decade.

Cancerous Charles

Colostomy Kate

Autistic Louis

Pedo Andrew

Domestic Abuser William

Once you hit 80 it's inevitable you'll have some kind of cancer if you live long enough, isn't it?

I wonder if Stephen Colbert will address his previous jokes in tomorrow night's monologue and how NBC legal plans to respond to Rose Hanbury's lawyer's letter.

I googled to find out what Colbert said about Kate and got this photo of Kate & Rose. The dress (nude with sparkly embellishments) is one of my favorite dresses Kate has worn. But I didn't realize that when she wore it, Rose had worn a very similar, arguably nicer dress.

Click the link to Glamour mag and let me know whose dress you like better.

Yeah, the joke wasn't even that big of a deal. He said there have been rumors, but I didn't see him say anything definitive. Basically, it was the Trump's "People are saying..." I doubt Stephen needs to worry about her or her little letter. He just said what even the British press hinted at so blame them for bringing that woman up.

As expected the British are trying to cast all the blame on us big mean Americans, plus Meghan. They can fuck right off with their letters and faux outrage cause their press and social media users was just as much in the mix of it all.

I read Colbert's show is on reruns this coming week.

Stephen Colbert was an asshole for bringing up a rumored affair when he knew that Kate was recuperating from serious surgery. He needs to apologize, just like the rest of the bullies. Piers Morgan is no better. Shortly after Kate's announcement, he criticized Colbert and other US commentators on Twitter. Meanwhile, he was one of the worst conspiracy theorists in the British media.

Other UK commentators have also been pointing the finger at the US when nearly all UK media outlets were losing their collective minds over Kate this past few weeks. The Spanish media were particularly vile and the Australian media were almost as bad. There are no innocents in this, so many countries jumped on the bandwagon and went after Kate and they should all be held accountable.

The UK didn't care about Kate at the height of the frenzy because they were leading the pack. Now the hypocrites want to point the finger at the US. What a shame they didn't speak up for her a few weeks ago. This whole debacle would never have gone this far.

We'll see how helpful OR NOT Colbert is as election time approaches.

Kate's royal life in pictures

Not sure if this has been posted already - apologies if so. Nice story if not.

Not sure if this has been posted before. Apologies if so, nice story if not.

Shut up—EVERYONE who bothered to read the thread saw it. Don’t play the fool.

OK R375 - thanks for your measured response.

You sound quite unhinged - good luck with that.

It was an entire sub thread up the chain⬆️

Which I missed. Mea culpa.

You seem to be a very angry person, R375. With rather a lot about which to be angry, I suspect.

kill off public figures

Only if I can watch it.

Colbert might not be on this week because of the ongoing basketball tournament.

Jokes are vetted by legal and Standards and Practices. Rose can send all the stupid letters she wants, Colbert doesn't give a fuck. Quite frankly the letter was stupid, why draw attention to an affair that supposedly didn't happen. Dumb bitch is just setting herself up, for nothing.

R374 Thank you! That was lovely!

So how’s the “slimmed down” monarchy working out for them?

I don’t imagine this is what they had in mind.

Slim, indeed.

One Camilla to rule them all…

r370 it's called comedy. I'm sorry you Brits or American royalists are suddenly faced with the reality of being a public figure, but them the breaks. American will not kiss your royal's asses. Even British media can be equally cruel, you know who they hate/obsess over. So, this is the BS you have to take when you are in the spotlight.

Since Queen Liz is gone a lot of remaining deference is flying out the window. I hope Kate feels better, but the British royals need to prepare for life beyond the apron strings of Queen Elizabeth cause the "never complain, never explain" thing only works if you've been busting you ass consistently for 50+ years in an honest and transparent manner. Charles, Camilla, William, Kate, etc all miss the mark.

R386, Did you even read my post or was this meant for someone else?

R373 R374 R376

Medically adjacent comment! My grandmother died in 1974 from cervical cancer, it LITERALLY fell out one night. She didn't tell my mother that she had been spotting for a year, thirty five years after the last child which sent her into menopause, they had cobalt back then for treatment, she died fast, it had spread everywhere.

R386 thanks for your mini diatribe but it’s hard to take you seriously when you don’t know the difference between “because” and “cause”.

Don’t get me started on the rest of your illiterate, grammatically incorrect rant.

You’re a dunce.

Yet you read my comment and seem just find understanding that despite my grammar and spelling, what I said is true, the royals are lazy, full of ego, and expect the world to kiss their asses. Well guess what, few people and institutions are willing to play nice with the BRF just because. Say what you want about me but it's clear I'm my take is far more relevant then those of royalist sticking their heads in the ground about the realities of monarchy after the second Elizabethan era.

They need to step it up. Sadly the institution is left with a camera and work shy couple next up to take the helms. Add in cancer and 20th century PR, and you are gonna get one bumpy ride.

No, r352; at least, not hemophilia. That was the Romanovs.

Here's what surprised me about Kate's Bench Talk: Zero make-up. This, on a woman who normally overdoes her eyes. My point really is that the absence of make-up made Kate look wan and thus worked against her saying that currently she feels fine.

Her left eyebrow was also arched more than the right and stuck in that asymmetrical position. IMO, she seemed angry at one point. she was making small, choppy hand gestures, but kept both hands low.

She probably resented having to make the statement.

I'd say the no makeup looked good on her. One point of the video was - honesty. She was being open and honest (hopefully) and relatable, at least to me. The no makeup look was right for this message.

[QUOTE]Jokes are vetted by legal and Standards and Practices.

Do the writers send every monologue to the legal department for all jokes to be examined or only those which may be controversial?

R394, To each his own. But I hope you are not equating make-up with as major a negative trait as dishonesty! (Her hair extensions, maybe! Haha!)

[QUOTE] Once you hit 80 it's inevitable you'll have some kind of cancer if you live long enough, isn't it?

No. My grandfather died aged 97 of a stroke.

Kate's a slacker so she's angry because she resented having to give a reason for giving up work for the rest of the year. The women in her peer group don't work at all; they're homemakers with wealthy husbands.

Is it true what the first replies say? Cancer of the cunt??? I didn't know that existed.

Tina Brown’s Two Cents

She is wearing makeup. It’s just toned down. Appropriate for the occasion.

The eye brow thing is probably just aging. I have the same thing. You don’t normally see her head on for an extended period with minimal movement so it was more obvious in the video. Possibly weight loss exacerbated it, too. I think if it were the result of a stroke or other neurological complication they would have figured out a way to conceal it.

Hmmmm.....

I’m not sure the dramatic change with the makeup was the way to go if they were trying to convey that she’s getting better. She looked like a completely different person.

I’m not saying she should have gone full glam, but she looked very sick. A little more makeup could have hidden that, but maybe she did not want to hide it.

I love Kate to bits but the marinière jumper was NOT a seasonally appropriate choice of attire.

Bots, bots and trolls

There was an article out today that mentioned Kate having Crohn’s disease for years. The majority of Crohn’s disease patients require surgery to remove parts of their bowel at some point. My guess is that’s what she went in for and they found cancer in the process. So she probably has colon cancer.

So many Quincy, ME's on this thread! When do you get up on your soapboxes and shout about corporations valuing PROFITS over PEOPLE?

None of you know which cancer she has, or what her operation was for. Just stop with your bullshit.

Would the family have allowed her to marry William with Crohn's? Didn't they run a full battery of medical tests and check her virginity status and teeth before she was allowed to marry William?

The celebrities taking jabs at Catherine are represented by WME, same agency as Meghan.

Colbert, Blake Lively, Sheryl Crow, Kim Kartrashian.

Look at r409 being a conspiracy theorist.

If Kate has Ceohn’s disease, she has managed it very well. People who have it make frequent trips to the bathroom when experiencing spasms, and it’s not something that can be controlled. Being a public figure, that would be tough I would think. If she had Crohn’s, she must have watched her eating so as to not need to use the bathroom. And that could be why she’s so slim.

^ meant to add at my post at r410, no agency would ever coordinate what you’re implying r409, precisely because it could very easily backfire. As it did last week. It was just a coincidence, people being what they are, they piled on.

R400 Thank you! Tina Brown always writes great articles about the Crown. This one is full of keen insights and humor.

[quote] It may not be a popular thought, but in many ways I blame the predicament and weakness of the monarchy today on Queen Elizabeth. It’s possible that future generations will see her as the Ruth Bader Ginsburg of the British monarchy. She stayed too long, and by doing so, left behind a legacy that may be the opposite of what she wanted.

"Good-egg gaiety girl Camilla" 😂

I am told the turmoil behind the scenes has been intense, resulting in what has felt like a series of baffling press screw-ups. We hear often of Prince Harry’s hatred of the press. If possible, Prince William — while concealing it better — hates them even more. His bloody-minded determination to stick to his grandmother Queen Elizabeth’s script of “never complain, never explain” is magical thinking in the era of the social media maelstrom, creating a vacuum filled by rumor and deranged conspiracy theories.

The almost simultaneous news of Charles’s own cancer has put William and Catherine in frightening proximity to ascending the throne just when they had hoped for a span of years to parent their children out of the public eye. The prospect of it, I am told, is causing them intense anxiety.

Help from other family members is scant aside from the redoubtable Princess Anne, Charles’s sister, and the good-egg Gaiety Girl Queen Camilla. The slimmed-down monarchy that Charles always promoted is suddenly looking very lean indeed. The combination of the Harry and Meghan clown show in Montecito, Calif., the fusillades from Harry’s memoir, “Spare” and the disgrace of Prince Andrew — who has little social contact with anyone except his horse — have put William and Catherine under unmanageable pressure.

R413 you’re welcome

This is the kind of shit the so-called supporters of Kate are posting on social media.

Those are creeps r416, not necessarily "Kate supporters". Real supporters of Kate don't care (or hate) Meghan or anyone else enough to post that crap. They can support or defend Kate without it.

Crohn’s disease would explain why she’s so thin. She probably has a dietary restriction and can’t absorb much nutrients. Not an eating disorder.

I don't think the Brown article is that profound. I could counter every contention as am sure most of you could. The interesting thing to me is the idea Kate and William were bricking it even before her diagnosis. I guess I always just assumed Charles would recover. He looks so well. (Perhaps a nod to their visibility strategy.) I hadn't thought K & W would be looking at the situation and thinking 'but what is he doesn't?'

So her piece did have one important point for you to chew on…

Yes, that's what I said. Do you solve mysteries for a living?

“I could counter every contention…”. Ahem

What, R422?

Oh, never mind, you've just got something up your ass about my point. You're R420 as well. Boring, so blocked.

[quote] It may not be a popular thought, but in many ways I blame the predicament and weakness of the monarchy today on Queen Elizabeth. It’s possible that future generations will see her as the Ruth Bader Ginsburg of the British monarchy. She stayed too long, and by doing so, left behind a legacy that may be the opposite of what she wanted.

I wouldn't have wanted the Queen to abdicate. I liked the sense of continuity that she represented. I'm glad she stayed Queen until the very end.

It was a direct quote from R419 ….you didn’t counter every contention. That is all…no need to be agitated.

R416 that is odious. Makes it difficult to be neutral when you see stuff like this.

Kit, I agree. The King faced an uphill transition. He was a moderately popular figure. With his mother alive, it would have been much more challenging. He triumphed after inheriting for his conduct in that set of circumstances. He almost needed her to be beyond reach and the emotion of those days in order to show what he was made of.

I know my opinion is unpopular, but now that she is dead, I'm not as admiring as I once was. Yes, she reigned longer than anyone. She stood her post. But she was completely unremarkable. Queen Elizabeth benefited from glowing press. Anyone who thinks the Monarchy was more transparent during her reign is delusional. The palace kept a very tight rein on information on what was known or released. I hope Charles recovers enough to enjoy a few more good years, because I think he is doing very well as king, and I actually prefer him to his mother who now comes across as rigid. Wooden. Expressionless. People projected onto her. They invested in her the qualities they wanted to see, but she herself was kind of a blank slate, IMO, who went where her advisers told her to go. I like Charles much better.

R416, that is vile. What is wrong with some people?

[quote] I could counter every contention as am sure most of you could.

But you won't, because that takes time, thoughtfulness, writing ability, experience with. and some knowledge of the subject. It's likely you barely skimmed the piece in the first place since it's not twitter length.

I get your argument, R429, but that she was the last of her kind, from another time, and I think her style suited her and the job when it was hers. Charles, I think, has it quite right. He's carving a path between the Queen's style and William's. I think William is the greater threat to the monarchy in the long term, in that he seems more comfortable in the activist role, taking a position. The Gaza thing was risky. Taking a position is risky. Mental health, homelessness, etc. All very nice but too much of a few things is possibly too little of everything else? I gather William's approach is to narrow down the focus to a few key areas. The problem is, what if they don't resonate? (Yet I know he's most popular in the rankings. But nothing lasts forever.)

R431, I wrote R105 on the Oncologist thread. I can do all the things you list. Your observations seem ill served by brevity. Boring and blocked. A Kit or a Dutchie is worth a hundred of you.

Re: the tweet @R416 about Harry - I remember some of the more deranged anti-Meghan types saying at the time of the wedding that Meghan must have dirt on Harry, because why else would he date her when he'd always gone for blondes in the past? It was ridiculous. Do they honestly think that if someone has a "type", they'll never find anyone else attractive? And why would a literal prince - one of the most famous men in the world - need to "settle"?

Harry is a mentally disordered, arrogant, cheap ass substance abuser, who was turned down by decent women who dated him for years. Whatever, good luck to him.

On WME, I can believe that one of the most vicious, low down dirty assholes in Hollywood -- Ari Emanuel at WME -- advises his clients to cross-promote (to put it kindly). His #1 Ozemp Oprah has a grudge against the BRF, and for four years has used Harry and his wife as her proxy swatters, first with her 'interview,' and moving on thru Tyler Perry and then keeping her close "repped" by WME. So far, the Sussexes have purchased various awards like the NAACP Visionary, but have no substantial jobs from WME. 'Goin lookin fer Kate' message by four of WME neediest clients sounds about right.

R435 needs serious help.

R435, that’s not how cross promotion works. As witnessed by what actually happened—it all blew up in the faces of those who maligned Kate.

R429 Hear, hear! QEII was a cipher. There was no "there" there. I don't understand why or how some think that is preferable to a monarch having a personality.

Elizabeth built up a lot of goodwill as the UK grandma, and that has been extended to Charles and William, but that's not going to last forever. The clock is ticking. They have to bring this thing into modern times and treat it for what it is. The first step is getting rid of everyone who advised Elizabeth and get some fresh perspectives advising them.

[quote] and the disgrace of Prince Andrew — who has little social contact with anyone except his horse

I beg your pardon!!

"rueful rump of a reign" lol. Poor Charles.

But her 70-year reign has left a pileup of heirs infantilized by too little to do and trapped by a dusty structure that should have been reformed decades ago.

Charles, full of prescient ideas, inventive concepts of philanthropy and imaginative plans of how to modernize the monarchy, saw his hopes and dreams curdle as he waited and waited to put them into action. The beleaguered flexitarian was only allowed to marry the woman he loved when he was 56 years old. Even with the best prognosis for his cancer, he has been left with a rueful rump of a reign. His sad-sack motto was always “just my luck,” but that has never seemed more true than now.

Maybe cross promo is the wrong word (I noted so). Within days of Cath announcing taking time off, Markle unsurprisingly jumped up to say she would take the opportunity to intensify her PR and be high vis; the multiple spots in the DM for the littlest things were worse than Kim K at her worst, for instance. Rambling on just to say I stand by my assertion that Harry and his wife, besides being useful idiots, themselves cause, and pay others to cause ugly rumors, lies and pain, at whatever level available, on his family,

R442, they may use bots, but their management company would never coordinate anything on their end. As you see, they now have multiple PR problems instead of just one.

R432. Charles was quite outspoken about politics, etc, while he was Prince of Wales and made controversial comments that got him in hot water. He has opted not to make political statements since becoming King.

[quote]R414 The almost simultaneous news of Charles’s own cancer has put William and Catherine in frightening proximity to ascending the throne just when they had hoped for a span of years to parent their children out of the public eye. The prospect of it, I am told, is causing them intense anxiety.

SURPRISE, muthafuckah!

Its worse if you do have cancer and they opened you up...It seems to spread faster when the air hits it. At least thats what happened to my grandfather.

I agree with r429, Charles is more likeable in many ways. Flawed, and more accessible to boot.

R434 Because multiple women saw him for what he is. Harry is stupid, uneducated, immature, mentally ill and a substance abuser. He married a mentally disordered woman. The healthy ones didn’t want to marry him.

There you have it folks, look at R448. That's all you need to know. Horrible, horrible people.

R448 is onto something. Chelsy Davy didn't want the royal life, so opted out. Cressida Bonas found Harry very wanting, very immature. None of the others wanted to stick around either. I wouldn't go as far to say he's "mentally ill" but he is disordered somewhat, with a lot of personal baggage and a difficult lifestyle (as a working royal) to boot.

I mentioned in part 1 of this thread that I had dinner with a doctor friend a few weeks ago, she said that Kate must have Crohn’s disease.

Does Crohn's have periods of flare ups and remissions or is ongoing? While her workload has been explained by the family's desire to focus on the children and not repeat the mistakes of the past, dealing with bouts of the disease could also explain her schedule. A public job around such circumstances must take incredible planning.

Halfwit Harry the Prince had to settle because women of substance wanted a man not a man-child.

The pickings will be even slimmer the next time around for Harry.

No woman of substance is going to want a man-child who has revealed himself to the world to be vindictive and destructive and also comes with a viper of an ex-wife who will make his second marriage a living hell.

There will be no prestige attached to becoming Halfwit Harry's second wife. Only someone as bad or worse than Meghan will take him on.

Water seeks its own level.

[quote] Chelsy Davy didn't want the royal life, so opted out. Cressida Bonas found Harry very wanting, very immature.

Hard to know whether marriage was ever discussed. I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe that these women said no to marriage.

Meghan *was* Harry's physical type in that he had a poster of biracial Halle Berry on his wall.

R454, I remember the Halle Berry poster as well.

Harry absolutely did not have to settle. He's spoiled and annoying, but people will put up with WAY worse than that to marry someone with his wealth and fame, especially if they get to become a literal princess.

I've also heard Meghan fans say William settled for Kate. Come on. A handsome prince had to settle while he was still in his twenties, even though whoever married him would eventually become Queen (and the mother of the future monarch)?

"Aides already have a running dialogue with an unofficial and disparate council of former advisers around the world - not “calling in the emergency services because something has gone wrong”, said one, but to make use of their perspective.

The new Palace mantra, in fact, seems to have come from the words of wisdom handed down by Elizabeth II.

“Her Late Majesty used to tell her adviser, ‘Don’t look down at your feet, look at the horizon’,” said a source.

“What she meant was that it’s the long term situation that matters, not always the here and now - and if you are generally heading in the right direction, that’s the best one can hope for.”

They added: “For the Royal family, it’s not how things will be next week.

“It’s ‘how is this going to look in five to 10 years?’

“Things that may look like an insurmountable mountain through the front windscreen can soon look like a molehill in the rear view mirror - especially given the accelerated speed of today’s news cycles.”

Part of any bounceback will be time.

Old hands emphasise the importance of The Firm mobilising as far as possible: by looking people in the eye at engagements around the country, they say, the monarchy’s ship will steady on its own.

Aides have taken heart from polling which suggests that while the public had been very aware of online conspiracy theories, fewer believed them.

Trust in the monarchy and individual members of the Royal family, according to YouGov, remains steady.

“His doctors are optimistic, the King is in a good mood,” they said. “He is raring to go on all fronts.”

He is expected to appear in public in some form for Trooping the Colour in June, with tentative plans for “building up” to more of a normal royal summer season.

In general, said a Palace aide, his “attendance to be hoped for and planned for rather than assumed”.

At Kensington Palace, the only watchword is “privacy”.

“The Prince and Princess of Wales are now spending their Easter holidays privately, as a family,” said their spokesman. “This is their focus.”

Aides have made clear that Catherine would like to continue her ordinary life as far as possible, but she will not be seen to do so until her medical team clears her for work.

The level of tolerance for any paparazzi photographs of her out and about is now zero.

Curiously, the Prince and Princess of Wales’s chosen way of working will keep things ticking over quite well.

They have historically faced criticism for their low volume of engagements, and choice to swap from ribbon cutting and plaque unveiling to projects including Catherine’s childhood development work, and William’s Earthshot Prize and Homewards homelessness project.

“The Prince follows these projects deeply and is involved in their DNA.

“He also feels very strongly about creating teams that can work 24/7 globally to ensure this work is moving the needle on the most important issues.

A source added: “Ribbon cutting has a really important role in the monarchy and they recognise that, but they always want to go further.”

Last week, critics and admirers alike were talking in terms of a full-blown royal crisis.

Now the world understands why things felt so unusually out of control, commentary seems oddly calmer.

There are questions for another day about the Palace’s approach to the digital age.

For now, those driving the dialogue about the Royal family - the TikTok and X “experts” pontificating to millions in a lawless and fact-free environment - must truly take a day off.

The King and Princess simply need to get well, and the world will right itself.

And so it will all continue.

Next month, the Duke of York’s Epstein interview will be brought to life on the world’s largest streaming services in two separate Netflix and Amazon dramas.

The Duchess of Sussex is preparing to launch her American Riviera Orchard brand, with its range of meditation blankets, candle holders and honey butter spelled out under trademark application, adding to the gaiety of the nation once more.

Such minor dramas will be a blessed relief, in comparison.

Of course they would r408. Because Liz had 4 kids, she ensured that they have more then enough backup plans to fill in if a king or queen get's Kate's genetic ailments.

The women who marry the wealthy aristocrats or businessmen but don't have to take on the Royal life are the ones who really hit the jackpot.

Pippa's life is better than Catherine's, married to a billionaire's son with all the luxury AND plenty of privacy.

That woman marrying the billionaire Duke of Westminster (Prince George's godfather) will have a far better life than Catherine. All the grandeur and none of the constraints along with privacy.

But both the wealthy aristos and the Royals have it better than anyone hustling for work and relevancy in Hollywood and doing staged Backgrid pap strolls in parking lots.

William and Kate both seem around 6 to 8 inches taller than Charles. Kate wears heels all the time and charles is stooped, so that is part of it. Diana’s genes brought some height, it seems.

My gosh r428, all Charles did was sign papers, give a speech or two, stand, walk, and grieve. That's it. You all act like he had to cross over a mined field or save kids from a burning building. He complained every step of the way, treating his staff like crap. He was not tough, the man collapsed in anger over an ink pen, TWICE. He had a mountain of staff swarming him to make his every move as comfortable and easy as humanly possible. He didn't have to plan shit, coordinate shit, or do much beyond showing up and looking sad for his dead mom.

The royals aren't monsters, but some of you certainly elevate to the moon for the most common human actions.

r443 people dunked on them last week but the public has already moved on. Unless Kate dies soon the tweets won't impact any of those celebs because it was all in good fun. No one is that worried. Now, if Kate dies next week, sure it would sting, but she's apparently well and good so everyone will move on.

Halle Berry and Meg Markle are of a type:

Halle - beautiful smooth caramel skin, well groomed, fantastic body, talented Oscsr actress

Mel Markle - sometime tandoori chicken bronzer wearer, danglin tendrils and ill fit wrinkled clothes, spongebobbod, jobbing actress

This made me laugh out loud: “A source added: “Ribbon cutting has a really important role in the monarchy and they recognise that, but they always want to go further.”

Oh, my sides🤡

If DL is going to keep having all of these Royals threads, then the management needs to increase the number of blocked posters we're each allowed to have.

You Brits are distracted from the actual, hard truths…

R466 my sister who lives in London for the past 9 years, said that the tabloids focus on the Royals to distract us from the really bad news about Inflation, strikes, the collapse of the NHS, and the impact of BREXIT still reverberating. Negotiations for import expports are fucked up. They want Rishi out on his ass. He is as bad as or worse than Thatcher.

[quote]If she had Crohn’s, she must have watched her eating so as to not need to use the bathroom. And that could be why she’s so slim.

It's hard for most Crohn's patients to put on (or rather, keep on) weight unless they're stable on biologics for a long stretch of time. We don't absorb nutrients properly, as someone mentioned upthread. During periods of malabsorption, you can eat like a horse (though you won't want to due to pain and nausea) and continue losing weight. Many of us go through times when our nutrients are delivered by tube or we're made to drink Ensure

[quote]Does Crohn's have periods of flare ups and remissions or is ongoing?

With help from medication, you can have periods of stability. But as someone already mentioned, a majority of Crohn's patients require surgery at some point. Often it's a simple resection but sometimes the entire colon is removed.

Shinzo Abe, the Prime Minister of Japan, had severe ulcerative colitis, which is an inflammatory bowel disease like Crohn's. At times he had to stop working because of it but he's an example of a busy statesman who usually persevered over his illness.

He’s also very dead.

Yes due to assassination and not Crohn's.

I thought he was shot by an anti-Crohnite. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[quote]He’s also very dead.

Yes, I'm operating under the assumption that most here remember his assassination. I wouldn't have felt comfortable adding "He had a hot ass(assination), but he couldn't live forever" joke in light of his illness.

R467 - it's true, the tabloids absolutely use the royals as a distraction. But if the royals disappeared, wouldn't the tabloids just do the same thing with other celebs?

R465 ...

[quote] If DL is going to keep having all of these Royals threads, then the management needs to increase the number of blocked posters we're each allowed to have.

I wasn't aware there was a limit of the number of blocked posters. That explains why some I tried to block never disappeared. What is the limit?

Seconding everything R468 said and adding that while Crohn’s is by nature relapsing-remitting people vary widely in how much time they spend in each part of that cycle.

Kate’s schedule is blocked out months in advance, no? I don’t see how that’s possible if she had Crohn’s and not knowing how she would be feeling. I’ve never heard of her canceling an appearance.

[quote] spongebobbod, jobbing actress

What does that mean, if anything, R462?

Speaking from personal experience, It’s possible for some people to work through the pain and if she was restricting eating before and during appearances that would decrease the chance of a problem.

(Although I am not sure she has Crohn’s. I think the reporting about it now is odd)

Meghan has a body like Sponge Bob. Lots of women do have that figure, but Meghan just doesn't know how to dress for her figure. She's lucky in that she doesn't have a flat butt, which would make the sponge thing even worse.

She needs to stop wearing stuff that hugs her figure all the way up and down. She needs to wear more drape-y silhouettes either on top or on the bottom.

She also has stick legs and no calves.

r454/r455, most of the posho, aristo young women who comprised the pool of potential mates for both William and Harry (and Chelsy and Cressida belong to this caste), are not interested in the royal fishbowl. Many come from wealth, they have all the social connections they already need without losing their valued privacy and being stalked by paps 24/7.

They are already at/near the social pinnacle but without the insane rat race of being a senior royal. None of them aim to become a princess or Queen - that's an American fantasy, not really a British one.

Did William or Harry necessarily want to marry women from those circles, though, R480? Maybe they did, I suppose, none of us know them. But the days of British royals being expected to marry other aristocrats seem to be over.

That's been their social circle since birth r481. Most of the females aren't titled aristos, but upper class girls/young women (ie. Chelsy Davy, Cressida, Isabella Anstraugh-Calthorpe-whatever) or high upper middle class public schoolers (Kate & Pippa Middleton).

None of these women, Kate excepted, was game to take on the royal rat race. It's just isn't desired as a life goal or lifestyle in those circles.

I'm not sure that Catherine was William's first choice. I think she just wore him down and the clock was ticking. William was like, well she here and she wants it, so why the hell not.

Yeah, I hate to say it, but I think William wasn't into Catherine like she was into him.

I do think he clock was ticking and he couldn't find someone more exciting who was also suited to be the next queen.

That said, he does seem, in public, respectful of her.

[QUOTE]Did William or Harry necessarily want to marry women from those circles, though, [R480]?

It's reported William very much appreciated the Middleton's close-knit middle-class family life which was very different from the detached aristocratic upbringings he and mother had. It's one thing to read about it or see it on TV, another to spend time around it. Solid, little drama.

Totally disagree with both r483 and r484.

It's been credibly and often reported that William broke up with her. Wisely, she kept her distance, lived her life, then he contacted her to get back together.

William doesn't strike me as the kind of guy, especially given how entitled he is, to "settle" for a wife. He wouldn't have had to.

And yeah, I get it. Lots of aristocratic, upper class, or middle class wealthy women truly wanted no part of the Royalty thing, but, let's remember, he's all Windsor Horse-faced now, but back then, he was tall, good looking, rich and the future King of the UK and commonwealth realms.

He could've had his pick, and picked Kate. Wisely, in my opinion. As I've often written, he outta be thanking his lucky, royal stars every day she agreed to marry him.

[quote] But the days of British royals being expected to marry other aristocrats seem to be over.

Now they just marry for money.

R486, he could have had his pick, but his pick had to get approval from Granny and others. Time was running out and he went with the easy shot. Just my observation, but Charles and Camilla seem hotter for each other than William and Kate and that doesn't mean PDA, it's just a vibe. If someone told me they had separate bedrooms, I wouldn't doubt it.

R486 Very true. Also allegedly the reason they dated for years before getting engaged was that William wanted to give Kate every opportunity to "run" should she have wanted out. I think William has coped with his mother's death is to become unwaveringly private. He has built a bubble around his family life and I think people mistake that as coldness because we know very little about Kate and William's private relationship.

Time to get a load of the venom those Kate-hating frauen of Celebitchy are spewing today!

Her palor looks similar to people I knew who died of cancer. I truly hope she has a better outcome.

R409, that's an education. They swarm here with their rote nonsense but we're so different than them. Pure venom there. What a twisted coven of cunts.

[quote] Her pallor looks similar to people I knew who died of cancer

Or people who live in England where the winter sunlight is about 20 minutes.

So does she have a colostomy bag?

R486, years ago Vanity Fair had a long article about Kate and William’s relationship when they were in college. It was not very flattering. They were housemates at first and then became a couple but it appears William didn’t take it that seriously because every school break, he would go off and not phone or write while he was away. A few times he was visiting Africa where a friend lived whom he also liked a lot. Rumor was he proposed to her but she turned him down. Back in England, Kate and William famously broke up for a couple months but Kate kept her mouth shut and I guess William decided he could trust her.

[quote]r458 The women who marry the wealthy aristocrats or businessmen but don't have to take on the Royal life are the ones who really hit the jackpot.

^^ (signed) Rose Hanbury

R490 so the lazy workshy racist is faking it to get out of more engagements. Got it

R495 sometimes people fall more in love with their spouses when they’ve gone through shit together, raised children etc

So Colbert wished her well but he did not apologize for the joke he told.

I thought he would just ignore the hullabaloo and not mention anything about Kate, but he did.

Dumb-dumb Blake Lively issued an apology:

[quote] “I’m sure no one cares today but I feel like I have to acknowledge this,” Lively said in a message shared Friday on her Instagram account. “I made a silly post around the ‘photoshop fails’ frenzy, and oh man, that post has me mortified today. I’m sorry. Sending love and well wishes to all, always. ❤️”

Then the "dumdum" has more class than Colbert.

[quote]the tabloids focus on the Royals to distract us from the really bad news

[quote]if the royals disappeared, wouldn't the tabloids just do the same thing with other celebs?

Such distraction only goes so far. It doesn't smother bad news nearly so much as super-rich powerful proprietors hope. The millions experiencing the worst of Broken Britain aren't over-cheered by another front-page Royal story, when bills can't be paid.

That said, the dynamic has now shifted for obvious reasons. The Royals themselves are impacted by very bad news, albeit assisted by not being on an NHS waiting list. Less a distraction, now an empathic human interest story.

As to other celebs, of course: footballers, actors, pop stars are all tabloid fodder - without Royals, the papers would just focus on more endless layers of such prey, to build up then knock down.

I spent some time on Celebitchy last night, for which I received a tetanus booster. Adjectives aren't necessary. What a whack zone. Makes this place look like nursery school. Low IQs at top speed. Fairly certain that's the home of KGT and wouldn't be surprised if it was the one who generates the most content. It's certainly made sense of DL's Wig Watchers brigade. They're obsessed with the wig conspiracy. For Easter they were calling her Wiglet Christ Superstar. The world is filled with low intelligence, mentally ill people and Celebitchy is a place for a lot of them to spend time together. It's kind of like Free Republic for Kate haters. Nothing is out of bounds, nothing is unbelievable. But the volume and intensity are sobering.

[quote]For Easter they were calling her Wiglet Christ Superstar. The world is filled with low intelligence, mentally ill people and Celebitchy is a place for a lot of them to spend time together. It's kind of like Free Republic for Kate haters. Nothing is out of bounds, nothing is unbelievable. But the volume and intensity are sobering.

That's really weird. As crazy as it is, you can kind of see the appeal of Alex Jones to certain individuals: people who are very afraid & are constantly afraid of losing what little they have. But why invest your time & energy in hating on a beautiful, high profile, but rather bland woman. I'm not criticizing her - she's great at what she does & I honestly hope she pulls through this (whatever it is) - but that she inspires hatred & vitriol. What a world.

^ for the other side of the coin, there is a vituperative Reddit site devoted to all things Markle and plenty, I mean puh-lenty, of posts devoted to fake pregnancy padding, surrogacy, hired child actors and how every single slightly less-than-complimentary Kate tweet/comment/article can be traced back to MM’s minions vs tabloids just making stuff up for the hell of it.

R504, they've decided she's Queen Karen, I think. "Karen" has evolved from its original, entirely valid meaning (white women who are disrespectful to black retail workers) to mean "white woman I dislike". They've decided that since Kate and Meghan didn't get along, Kate must be racist. (If Kate really did say she was concerned about Archie's skin colour then obviously that IS racist, but I don't consider Meghan a reliable source at all.)

That is where we disagree. All too often black people, biracial people, people of color, whatever you want to call them are called unreliable, not trustworthy, or just plain liars because they dare bring something not right, usually about race, to someone's attention.

I don't think Meghan is a liar and I don't think that Catherine is a hood wearing racist. I think it was a clash of style and personalities. Meghan is California casual and Catherine is stick up your butt Brit. Neither is right or wrong, it just is what it is.

However, what is wrong is that once again the women take the brunt of it. People enjoying tearing down the women is an age old sport.

This feud is really an issue between two brothers, but two women fighting sells more papers and gets more clicks.

If you were concerned about a baby's skin colour, seems to me it would have emerged before the father even married the mother. There seems to be general agreement in any family, especially mixed race, there's curiosity about the baby's features. In this case, it was leveraged several times over.

R505, is it as consistently filled with hate and anger as Celebitchy? There seemed to be no middle ground let alone a range of opinion and the dark energy was palpable. It takes a lot to astonish me and that place really did. DARKSIDE!

There's a lot of blame on everybody to go around with regard to the break-up between the Sussexes and Harry's immediate family.

It wasn't business-as-usual to have the first biracial person marry into the immediate Royal Family. When the tabloids went to Defcon One on Meghan, Q E II made a mistake not issuing an admonishment from Buckingham Palace to them.

Markle got in way, way over her head when she entered into the immediate familial orbit of the BRF. Still, as a mid 30s woman who had been around the block a couple of times, she should have recognized that and played her cards accordingly. That all depends, however, on what her motives were.

Harry didn't have the maturity and depth to recognize and help to alleviate Markle's stress. You could say, actually he did - he chose to leave, but, again, I'm with Tina Brown in "The Palace Papers" who suggests, as many here did, that Markle was the means to end : fleeing

I don't for one second believe that either William or Kate were bigoted towards Markle. I do, however, think, to their discredit, they were classist and looked down their noses at her.

William, put simply, just plainly dislikes Markle, and would no matter the circumstances they met. That could not have been easy for Markle.

(Full disclosure- I dislike both Harry and Meghan, too, but, I think I'm being fair here)

But, William's first impressions of Markle were right when he realized right off the bat that she wasn't cut-out to be a working Royal. Perhaps he also detected ulterior motives in her relationship with Harry.

Would Have. Could Have. Should Have.

Has nothing to do with her being bi-racial. She's a malignant narcissist and halfwit Harry is an angry, vindictive, immature addict.

[quote]for the other side of the coin, there is a vituperative Reddit site devoted to all things Markle and plenty, I mean puh-lenty, of posts devoted to fake pregnancy padding, surrogacy, hired child actors and how every single slightly less-than-complimentary Kate tweet/comment/article can be traced back to MM’s minions vs tabloids just making stuff up for the hell of it.

I don't really know why'd you waste your energy hating on her either. She got Harry - not such a great catch after all - but she's completely ridiculous, like a character on Absolutely Fabulous (that Patsy & Eddie loathe, but desperately want to show up a their events because she's a human tsunami of drama!). Both she & Harry seem silly more than anything, though I hope for the sake of their kids they've got their shit at least somewhat together since one day those two will be mad as hell that they were robbed of their birthright (and not the title!)

R512, Not to mention deprived of knowing most of their paternal AND maternal blood relatives! No cousins for YOU!

Might the klan grannies shut up about the trauma of not engaging with cousins? I’ve met mine once and couldn’t pick them out of a lineup.

R510, Meghan "played her cards" exactly as she planned to: Marry the Royal Wounded Bird Prince Harry; then either live like Kate, or return to California. Denied a Kensington Palace residence, Meghan chose Mendocino.

William advised Harry not to rush a wedding, for which, word has it, he earned Harry's permanent resentment. Kate probably saw in Meghan a stalking sister under the skin, and didn't care for the mirror. Plus, there went Kate's "special" relationship with Harry.

Both of Diana's sons were psychologically damaged by her divorce, dalliances, and death, as well as by their father's affair. William sought solace in cold-eyed duty, while younger Harry sought solace in an understanding embrace.

And now they fulfill those roles on the world stage.

R510, are you contradicting yourself? You say "William, put simply, just plainly dislikes Markle, and would no matter the circumstances they met". Then you say "But, William's first impressions of Markle were right when he realized right off the bat that she wasn't cut-out to be a working Royal. "

That doesn't sound classist to me, it sounds sensible. (Wasn't there reporting that Princess Anne wondered if an actress and American could do the job?)

Did William have his doubts and she, almost immediately, began to confirmthem?

[quote]Might the klan grannies shut up about the trauma of not engaging with cousins? I’ve met mine once and couldn’t pick them out of a lineup.

Really? If you're any familial indication I'd expect that's where they spend most of their time.

R514, I'm a Yankee through and through, so I don't know what you mean (I realize it's a DL term) by "Klan Granny." Does the KKK like the BRF, or not?

Truth told, I don't at age 74 engage with most of my paternal cousins (their parents' being deceased), but I did as a child. My maternal ones I still keep in touch with, having spent holidays with them for decades.

As an only child, I enjoyed those times. You have had a different experience.

And not to put too fine a point on it, neither of us have had actual princes and princesses, a King!, as relatives. We haven't been children denied all that castle stuff that fairytales comprise. So boo, hiss, to the adults involved!

For R514's cousins, once would be enough. R514 is a Celebitch out on patrol. They are empty, angry people, with elastic marks on their skin.

R515. You’re not from California, I’ll assume.

Mendocino 😵‍💫

[quote] All too often black people, biracial people, people of color, whatever you want to call them are called unreliable, not trustworthy, or just plain liars because they dare bring something not right, usually about race, to someone's attention.

You're absolutely right, people are way too quick to downplay racism. But bear in mind Meghan heavily implied that the reason Archie wasn't made a prince at birth was due to his racial background. I really don't believe that's true. None of Anne and Andrew's respective grandchildren were offered titles, even though they're all white (although I suppose that might have been because none of their fathers had titles).

Archie wasn't a prince at birth because by rule he wasn't supposed to be one. As the great-grandchild of the monarch at the time (QEII) he was only entitled to be "Lord Archie", it wasn't until his grandfather became King that he automatically became Prince Archie of Sussex.

It had absolutely nothing to do with race, gender, or anything else. And Meghan absolutely would have known this - Harry certainly knew it - but they both knew the general public had no knowledge of this kind of arcane knowledge, so insinuated negative implications left and right for sympathy and clicks.

This thread somehow turned into the Markles yet again.

I like Harry and Meghan, I think they made a mistake by getting married so quickly and not letting Brits and Meghan get used to each other, but I don't think the problem was that Meghan was not cut out to be a working royal. If you remember some of the earlier reports, one of the problems was that she was too good at it and it pissed off some senior royals.

Harry and Meghan are do-gooders who want to save the world and they would have been perfect working royals, the problemis there are certain limitations on how you can be do-gooder save the world type and also be a working royal, and Meghan, as an American, didn't quite get that. Which probably made Harry wonder, why does it have to be this way.

However, no one will ever convince me that it was Meghan's idea to leave. I think they left because, Harry and Harry alone wanted out. People seem to think that Harry is under some type of pussy spell, but no way. Meghan gets the blame for a grown man choosing to walk away from dysfunction.

I read the posts on DL and some of the way you all talk about your families. No one has to remain in a situation that no longer makes them happy.

And now that we have seen how the family can control the press, it wouldn't have hurt someone to tell them to cut the chick some slack while she was getting her sea legs.

R524 Getting married too quickly? The bitch was approaching 40 at the time. She’s under pressure to reproduce. No way she’s waiting around that long.

Meghan's PR flunkey has joined the chat @ r524.

Muggle was TOO GOOD at the job! Oh my sides. Harry the Genius is the only person who has evaluated her as toooo good.

Good cop/cop: Celebitch version.

r524 I think recent events show the exact opposite and that the family can't control the press.

r527 and the whispers reported in the press at the time that Meghan was better at Royal duties than others in the family are likely to have been briefed to the press by Meghan and Harry themselves.

R524, you raise some goos points.

I do not think Meghan would ever have fit in. She's American, who did not understand the institution she was marrying into. Unlike any other woman who married into that family, she had a successful career as an actress (even if it was on a Cable Television show). She was not cut out for opening Town Halls or hospitals.

As Tina Brown put in an op-ed in the NYT's Harry and Meghan are a "clown show.," whining about perceived slights and getting the dirty end of the stick since he was born second and William and Kate are the more important couple in the system. Sure, he was a grown man who was capable of making his own decisions, but Meghan pushed him to it. And since the leave, all they've done is enjoy the high life. She was a B list actress, who thought marriage would propel her to A list. They're still B list, who live a life of luxury doing nothing in return.

I remember the reports that Meghan was too good. If you look at that first video the four of them did together, Kate stammers and Meghan easily answers questions on mental health. Meghan didn't know she was supposed to step back and let Kate look better. I think even Piers Morgan pointed out that William got jealous.

I also agree Meghan was way in over her head. And she tried to solve some of her problems in "go get em" American kind of way which was always going to fail.

As for race--I've read over and over on DL that Meghan never considered herself black until she left the UK and went on Oprah. Then again--it was in the UK that newspapers called her "straight outta Compton" which no one did in the US. I think those papers revealed to her that she was black. That tracks with how she and her mother spoke about race in that god forsaken documentary. QE2 should have shut that down.

And I also agree that Harry wanted out.

A system that insists on an heir and a spare and then goes about casting out the spare is a ridiculous system. I wonder what talks William and Kate have about this with for their own children.

You know, for all the people say Harry is dim, I find him articulate. He can't be THAT stupid. I think he's pretty angry and it does seem a lot of what he has said about the palace and its relationship with the press is correct. I'm sure he misses his family and the UK. But he probably also likes having his own family.

^^^^ "good points," not "goos points."

But I'd love to goose William!

r514 I barely know my cousins either. We are all different ages and sexes with very different upbringings. I see playing with cousins as a something from days long gone by, like my grandmother's generation.

Chelsy Davy sounds like a white trash name. Particularly with that spelling of Chelsy.

Meghan didn't like living in the UK, was unhappy with the home they were given, and hated the formality that went with being a royal. Harry may have wanted to leave the UK but Meghan was two steps ahead of him out the door.

Wrong on one point, R532. The “straight out of Compton” headline appeared in the US version of the Mail Online. Written by an American journalist.

ah, thanks for setting me straight. that was an ugly and unnecessary article.

[quote] You know, for all the people say Harry is dim, I find him articulate. He can't be THAT stupid.

Yes, he is THAT stupid.

Yes—because the US version is separate and independent, with no overlap to the UK version. Sure, don’t stop believin’!

[QUOTE]don't think the problem was that Meghan was not cut out to be a working royal. If you remember some of the earlier reports, one of the problems was that she was too good at it and it pissed off some senior royals.

That was Harry's spin on things after their Australian tour, further demonstrating how obtuse he is. If you had kept up, you'd know the tour was riddled with gaffes and rudeness by the couple that left staff stressed and in tears. And I'm not even talking about the MBS blood diamonds controversy. (If you want a list the of incidents, let me know.)

The part about pissing off the senior royals. Envy and its deployment against others is a hallmark of narcissistic personality disorder. A way of covering deficiencies is thinking one is simply too good and others are blinded to the goodness by their own jealousy. The DSM and ICD are quite clear about it.

Frequent envy.

Feeling envious of others, especially when others are successful.

Expecting envy from others.

Belittling or diminishing the achievements of others.

Meghan fell short to Catherine in every possible attribute : manners, stable upbringing and family unit, ability to relate to people at all levels, no negativity towards or from staff, figure, ability to wear clothes well, and overall deportment .

Hence the intense resentment from both Meghan and Harry.

r516, no I'm not being inconsistent.

One can personally dislike someone and believe they're not cut-out for a certain job, or, they can personally like someone and believe they're not cut-out for a certain job.

And people like R542 is why these threads can never be sane and civil. Great job Kate stans!

Meghan's good at talking. She has a nice voice. The problem is the word salad that comes out.

R540 conveniently ignoring the fact that the article in question was written by an American journalist.

“Don’t stop believin’ (sic)), R540?

[quote]This feud is really an issue between two brothers, but two women fighting sells more papers and gets more clicks.

A thousand times yes. The tabloids pushed the "Kate vs. Meghan" angle hard, because catfights sell papers. Then stans on both sides took it even farther.

R532, Meghan wasn't answering questions about mental health, she was talking about herself, women's empowerment, herself, blah, blah, herself. She didn't make it about the four of them on the stage, she made it about herself and at one point about herself and Harry. It was self-involved and self-serving and did not age well.

I knew I'd be able to rely on Vanessa Feltz to provide some purple prose on Kate's news:

[quote] I reported on her wedding from the roof of a double decker bus (and I mean roof, not top deck) specially permitted to be driven into Hyde Park, where revellers in finery and fascinators sat on blankets, munched sausage rolls from picnic hampers and drank to the couple’s health.

[quote] When Catherine appeared, breathtakingly beautiful in her exquisite lace Grace Kelly gown, I sobbed so hard the audience had to wait for me to collect myself to enjoy the vivid description they deserved.

[quote] However, no one will ever convince me that it was Meghan's idea to leave. I think they left because, Harry and Harry alone wanted out.

If so, I’ll bet Harry wanted to move to Botswana. But somehow they ended up in California…

Oh, I think Meghan wanted to leave. I think she read the room, so to speak, and she knew she would never fit in, and furthermore, she knew William and Catherine were the future King and Queen. Harry and Meghan would always be subordinate to them, and she would never fully adapt to the role assigned to her. So she played to Harry's weaknesses and he already had one foot out the door, in the end it was a mutually arrived u0pon decision, and no one was sorry to see the back of them. It was never going to work. Never. William was probably the most relieved to see the back of them, and while Charles wants to get along with his sons, and he does care about them, he is also glad . Too much turbulence.

My favorite Harry revelation was when he revealed how everyone thought that he, William, and Kate were some kind of Terrific Trio, but it was all a lie. My guess is he and William have barely tolerated one another for years, but put on a good act to keep the peace. He was done with lies.

Didn't Harry say something to the effect that Catherine was the "sister he never had" much like he said that the RF would be the family Meghan never had? Yeah, he really thought that through. 🙄

Harry used to look happy and relaxed when he was with William and Kate in public. Kind of sad that it was apparently all just an act.

Harry and William were known to be close brothers since childhood. They grew closer when Kate came along. There are videos and photos of the three having fun together at many events over the years. Harry didn't seem to mind being the third wheel and spoke fondly of both William and Kate in interviews.

"Prince Harry still has genuine affection for sister-in-law Kate Middleton despite their heartbreaking rift. The 39-year-old once described the Princess of Wales as “the sister I never had”, and the duo enjoyed a tight-knit bond after she married his big brother, Prince William. The trio were regularly spotted at public events together and even launched a charity together, the Royal Foundation, which launched a mental health initiative called Heads Together."

His revelation that he and William weren't close is revisionist history to fit the narrative that he and his wife created. It's easier to pretend that they were never close than to admit that his marriage destroyed his relationship with his brother and sister-in-law.

I think we'd all agree that "Klan Granny" is an unclear slur.

Does "post-menopausal Tory cunts with a Royal Silver Jubilee buttplug up their collective bum" get closer to the mark?

It seems that a lot of Kate fans are also Trump fans and were pro Brexit and are an older demographic. Not saying they're all racist, but they do seem to be in a lot of the same spaces where racists hang out.

You're describing a typical tabloid reader or Fox news watcher. But there are also those who are not of that ilk politically and read a wide variety of publications that chronicled the Sussex duo's performance. Correlation isn't causation. The underlying third variable is the couple's atrocious behavior which most discerning people can see.

[quote] It seems that a lot of Kate fans are also Trump fans and were pro Brexit and are an older demographic. Not saying they're all racist, but they do seem to be in a lot of the same spaces where racists hang out.

I'm a Kate fan and I'd see myself in Hell before I'd ever vote Republican. And the Mariana Trench couldn't contain my loathing of Trump and anybody who would support him.

R546 it is a single website—Jesus.

Watching Kate’s announcement just filled me with dread (I know, Mary!) but I keep reminding myself that the Queen Mother survived colon cancer in the 60s and breast cancer in the 80s; those were practically the dark ages when it came to treatments and she lived to 101.

Actually it’s not, R560. And don’t call me Jesus.

[quote] Is it PUSSY CANCER?

That seems to be William's condition, since he still doesn't have the balls to stand up to the British press and defend his wife. I'm just saying the video would have been more powerful if William was sitting next to his wife holding her hand. When the whole photo controversy was going on people were saying that William took the picture, so why did Kate have to release a statement and not him? Will he ever show up for his wife? That's the real question.

dailymail.co.uk is the homepage for UK and US news. They are reached at a single website.

R567, The problem was not with who took the photo, it was the photo editing and that was not William. No one was going to believe that William was editing photos, especially as Kate is the photo expert in the family. If he had tried to take responsibility, Kate would have been slammed for letting her husband take the blame. It was a no-win situation. I don't think anyone expected things to turn sour the way they did.

As for the video, she wanted to do it on her own. Her choice. Maybe it would have been too emotional if he had been sitting beside he .

r555 Revisionist victimhood is a vice both Harry and Meghan majorly indulge in. Glad to see the press ain't papping Kate arriving and leaving her cancer treatment appointments.

[quote]r555 Harry didn't seem to mind being the third wheel and spoke fondly of both William and Kate in interviews.

That’s before he knew they were petty racists.

Harry has since said that the royal family are not racists. This is from the Telegraph in January 2023.

"The Duke of Sussex has insisted that he does not believe the Royal family is racist and claimed he had never suggested they were. Prince Harry told ITV that when he and his wife, Meghan, revealed in their Oprah Winfrey interview that a member of the family had raised concerns about the colour of their unborn son’s skin they were not accusing them of racism. Asked if he would not consider that “essentially racist,” he replied: “I wouldn't, not having lived within that family.”

[QUOTE]That’s before he knew they were petty racists.

Explain yourself, please, if you can.

TIA

Gossip on the DL King Charles thread reports that he has two years, and that this is an 'open secret among courtiers.' In the light of this very sad possibility I re-read the Tina Brown piece @ R400. Reading between the lines, it's as though she too has heard such talk, and takes it seriously. Quite apart from her social connections, Brown will have made many trusted contacts when researching 'The Palace Papers.'

On this premise William and Kate not only need to cope with her serious illness and its family effects - but also while now facing the top job very much sooner than formerly thought. As Brown gets us know.

R454 It wasn’t just that Chelsy didn’t want the royal life. “In 2011, Davy confirmed that she would not marry him due to differences in their life choices.”

R557 I’m a Catherine admirer and I’d pull my eyelashes out before I’d vote for a Republican.

R552 Harry was “done with lies.” Surely you jest. The man lies every time he opens his mouth.

R535 Chelsy comes from a very wealthy family. She has a degree in law & she owns two businesses. She was better off dumping Harry.

She dodged a huge filthy bullet.

R563. They should have done the video with William holding her hand? He should have stood up to the British press?

I assume you’re a deeply clueless American?

R576 these threads are Ground Zero for deeply clueless Americans.

[quote]She was better off dumping Harry.

They broke up because she was tired of the bullshit, especially from his family. She didn't like William and Kate either. William actually liked Cressida, but Cressida didn't like him, but liked Kate. I find it very interesting that both are still friends with Harry and now Meghan.

I'm an American and r577 is right on.

On a different topic-

While reading the NY Times comments reacting to Brown's referring to the Sussexes as "the clown show", the obvious finally dawned on me.

Sussex Stans were outraged. Their comments were published, some very well written. Their defenders could recite, chapter and verse, every slight and outrage meted out by the BRF to Harry and Meghan, and why Harry and Meghan had to leave and do everything they've done.

Some justified the Sussexes using their Royal adjacency to make money: They HAVE to, their security costs, it's his truth, he can use his truth to make money... you get the picture.

At first, I couldn't put my finger on it, then I realized it: (Yeah, I can be a bit slow sometimes) - Wait. Q E II, Charles, Camilla, William, Kate can NEVER put their side of the story out there. They can't respond.

Sussex Stans are only going by what the Sussexes have described. By now, it's obvious the Sussexes knew that they could get by with not being publicly challenged by the BRF, because that's not how the BRF operates.

"Recollections may vary", indeed.

Lastly, don't give me the Dead Sea Scrolls. Don't give me the nuclear codes. Don't pass along the recipe for Coca-Cola to me.

Shallow bitch that I am, if there is one document I'd give my left hand to read, and which never will be revealed, it's the report ordered by Q E II be made on the allegations of mutual bullying between the staff of the BRF and Meghan Markle.

I admire William and Catherine for making the announcement their way, and not how certain people think it should have been done. If William had participated, the conspiracy theorists would have been judging his demeanor for signs of an abuser or cheater. Every movement, nod of the head, and eyeblink would have been analyzed for clues and the attention would not have been where it was supposed to be... on Kate.

Anyone who doesn't think that's possible hasn't been paying attention to the crazy online trolls these past few weeks. They're still spreading lies. The only difference this time is that the media is not feeding into the crazy and, for the most part, is ignoring the nonsense.

R580, I yield. I heretofore was one of the "William should have been on the bench with Kate" posters. But you are absolutely spot-on with the way every jot and tittle of William's body language "would have been analyzed for clues." And then claimed not even to be him, but a double or even AI!

It is a wonder why the health of the monarch is (seems to me) being less discussed. How Charles no longer can hope for a reign of any longevity (if the purported gossip is accurate). 🥺

It would never occur to me that the two of them should have made the statement together. What would William have done? Sat silently beside her? Spoken on her behalf as if she couldn’t speak for herself? Engage in ostentatious hand holding?

The idea seems bizarre and the idea that they are being criticised for not doing it even more bizarre

[quote} Shallow bitch that I am, if there is one document I'd give my left hand to read, and which never will be revealed, it's the report ordered by Q E II be made on the allegations of mutual bullying between the staff of the BRF and Meghan Markle.

R579, you and me both, baby!

It will come to light, but long after the principals are dead. Unfortunately, so will you and I.

Meghan said after the bullying allegations "It's not my job to coddle the staff".

Likewise, Meghan! It's not the RF, the media, the Brits or the Americans job to coddle you!

Part 3 is up. I titled it the same, but like every BRF thread, we’re now talking again about the Sussexes. 🙄🙄🙄

IMO the power in her announcement was that she WAS alone, no one holding her hand...that we could see. Outdoors, natural light, on a park bench. I thought it was very powerful. And I would not be surprised if William was there out of range for moral support. But this was her announcement and she handled it very well.

You know t he one thing people don't talk about is how you, the cancer patient have to reassure and comfort, not just your kids but your children, which is expected of course, but also your parents, your siblings, your friends, etc.etc.etc. So they ask questions and you have to repeat yourself and it gets to be a pain in the ass.

I believe there’s a website now that can be set up to deal with that. Years ago I had a colleague who was dying of cancer and his wife invited people to the site where they provided updates and received well wishes centrally to lessen that burden.

r587 and on top of all that mob rule on social media loudly demanding you justify everything to them eve though no matter what you say won't satisfy them and they will rationalise that something isn't satisfactory or right. I couldn't be arsed if it were me.

r583, what I thought may happen (long shot, I know) is that when Meghan rights her tell-all, and that’s not a matter “if”, it’s a matter of when, and she brings out the bullying stuff, all of a sudden, it’ll mistakenly be leaked.

Or, its findings may be that she didn’t engage in bullying the staff or vice versa.

[quote] Every movement, nod of the head, and eyeblink would have been analyzed for clues and the attention would not have been where it was supposed to be... on Kate.

Prince William could have been out of camera view shooting daggers at her.

R578 So, we aren’t to believe Chelsy when she confirmed that she would not marry him due to differences in their life choices?

We are to believe you instead?

R588 CaringBridge?

same, r572

[quote]Or, its findings may be that she didn’t engage in bullying the staff or vice versa.

Hah! Pull the other finger. Jesus.

R591, they're slopping the other hogs at Celesooie, go get your cut.

R591 proves why William was right not to participate in Kate's announcement.

Fuck you snobby British cunts ragging on "clueless Americans" on an American website, what nerve. Obviously the real clueless ones are your precious royals who are absolute failures in public relations. They fail at photoshop, AI technology, and pretty much life itself, but lucky for you there are plenty of "clueless Americans" who still give a shit about these boring figureheads who are completely average and worthless without their pompous titles. Even Piers Morgan admitted that the bulk of interest in the royals is coming from America and if that were to ever fade everyone else will follow. Nobody is clueless about your stuffy and outdated culture, your obsession with meaningless titles, and keeping up appearances. R576, R577 go fuck yourselves, snobby British cunts.

Always with the “cunt” insult, R598? You really need to expand your vocabulary.

R599 I can expand my middle finger in your direction, cunt.

R599 Ironically you brits use the word more than Americans do.