“Dune: Part Two” may be one of the best sci-fi films ever

Oh, let me add that my personal favorite scene was between Lea Seydoux as Lady Margot Fenring and Austin Butler as Feyd-Rautha. Everything about that scene was fucking PERFECTION. The film could have used more of Lady Margot Fenring, aka Lady Dark Seductress as I nicknamed her. She is so good in her brief screentime. I loved it.

It’s a shame we only get her in 3 scenes.

[quote] Timothee Chalamet gives a true leading man movie star performance, and is phenomenal from start to end. He was perfectly cast as Paul and you see that more and more as the movie plays. By the third act he is truly superb and Oscar worthy! He carries a massive film like this and leads it with such poise and masterful acting.

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[quote] He’s pale skinned and 100% hairless

Unlike in real life.

We need a spoilers thread for this movie.

[quote] she has a lot less lines

Fewer!

Sounds great, OP! Now, if only Timmy weren't in it I'd definitely watch it.

You will watch it anyway r6

And you will smile at TIMMY and you like it

[quote]Rebecca Ferguson goes full mama bear

I stopped reading this review once I saw the ever-so-twee phrase "mama bear."

It's an immediat signal not to take the writer seriously.

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Just got back from seeing it. It was ok. I was struggling not to fall asleep the first hour with all the stuff out in the desert.

Once it focused on the Harkonnens, Irulan, Emporer and Rev Mother it got much better.

Butler was pretty terrific as Feyd. Are all the women on Geidi Prime hairless? No wonder he got it on with Margot.

Definitely different than the 84 version...especially the ending. I suppose they are already prepping Part III should this make bank.

Emporor panguin

[quote] I suppose they are already prepping Part III should this make bank.

The director said they are. They’re worm-ing on a script already.

I haven’t seen Miss “Timmy Chevrolet’s” tits.

Do they measure up to this one?

E13, I don’t think he has either tits or ass.

“ Once it focused on the Harkonnens, Irulan, Emporer and Rev Mother it got much better.”

This let’s me know you didn’t watch it r10. Irulan is never the focus and she is actually the opening scene of the film and narrator of the first scene. Rev Mother happens near the beginning of the film….

PS R10 claimed to watch a bootleg version of it on another thread. Now he “went to see it” but was “bored” for the first hour until certain things happened, all things that actually happened early in the film. He doesn’t even know what he’s talking about.

Reading peoples comments on Reddit and Twitter isn’t watching a movie. Get off the thread.

“ Is it too early to start the Oscar campaign for Austin Butler as a Best Supporting Actor nominee for next year? #Dune2”

Agreed.

[quote] I don’t think he has either tits or ass.

Timmy! Grab a cab, come on! See the wizard at Park & 73rd!

The clips I've seen of II are just a redux of the first bleak effort. A boring, mirthless slog through the sand. There is no sexual tension between Timotwee and any female. We're supposed to be entranced by the heroics of Timatwink, but he's so uninspiring with his wispy body and blank poker face it's impossible stay awake.

Someone who didn’t like part 1 but liked part 2 a lot. Theyre very different.

“ The contrast between how bad Dune is and how *fantastic* Dune 2 is is incomprehensible, insane, and honestly, fucking criminal”

“ Just finished my 3rd watch of DUNE: PART TWO, and it finally hit me hard. Watching Chani and Paul sandwalk together across the dunes, night sky overhead, “A Time of Quiet Between the Storms” fading in… I teared up realizing that Villeneuve’s DUNE is real, and it’s a masterpiece.”

“ Timothée Chalamet in that third act of Dune 2 is something serious. His peers should come with a book and pen and start taking notes.”

Does the book explain how is that we have humans in a galaxy so far away?

I watched it last night and am still shaken by how good it was. See it on the biggest screen possible. This is CINEMA.

“ Just got back from seeing #DunePart2 Zendaya’s performance was an absolute standout to me! Chani broke my heart! 😭💔What a fierce, beautiful warrior! Zendaya is so beautiful and so very deadly! That last frame really got me emotional..Hats off to Z & all! I can't wait for Dune 3”

[quote]PS [R10] claimed to watch a bootleg version of it on another thread. Now he “went to see it” but was “bored” for the first hour until certain things happened, all things that actually happened early in the film. He doesn’t even know what he’s talking about.

I never claimed to have viewed any bootleg version. I didn't see the film til yesterday's 5pm showing.

And, yes, the shit out in the desert was boring. Geidi Prime and its black sun effects were far more interesting.

I hate when people take pics or use their phones in theaters. The fucking entitlement. Sit the fuck down, shut up, and watch the movie. No one cares about your social media look at me clout. R24

A shit book series made into a shit movie series.

With a bad actor as a lead.

And Zendaya had this sour puss look on her face the entire film.

Yeah, the more I think about it the more I dislike this film.

Biggest sin of all...

No "And how can this be?? For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!"

She wasn't even born yet! Aside from that dream flash where she is Anya Taylor-Joy.

Movie was way too talky for me, but I'm glad you enjoyed it.

I don't mind Anya Taylor-Joy otherwise, but I winced when her leporine mug popped up in closeup. For some reason, I find her completely out of place in these movies. Sorry, AT-J. Butler's iconic look was ruined by his laughable cartoonish accent. And, like r29 already mentioned, Zendaya had a face like a slapped arse the whole time.

This is a nitpick, but the emperor's costume just looked like a costume, with very little thought put into it. His posse, aside from his daughter, looked equally drab. And the exteriors on Kaitan looked super cheap for an imperial seat. That relief outside when he gets the news that Paul is alive looked like a couple of kiddies in kindergarten slapped it together in an afternoon. Really shoddy work.

Rampling and Pugh for me the whole way, baby. I say give them their own movie. Ferguson can appear as well, but she needs to stop telling porkies about being mistreated on set.

[quote] Butler's iconic look was ruined by his laughable cartoonish accent.

Elvis?

Elvis redux, yes.

Lmao the hater is so trashy. And in the minority.

“Too talky”??? First off, the movie has so many quiet moments it’s insane. But what the fuck did you expect? Stick to your Transformer and Marvel movies mental retard. This film is for those of us who enjoy mature films.

The 8:30 AM showing this morning. Crazy.

[quote]Butler's iconic look was ruined by his laughable cartoonish accent.

Apparently, they didn't shave his head, but used makeup.

He had another movie he was doing, so that production asked him not to shave his head and Dune accommodated the request.

Yes and it looks great. No one is questioning the bald head but you r35. Goofy.

To me, Butler sounded exactly like Sarsgaard when he spoke.

I figured he was just aping the Baron since they were related and Feyd was the na-Baron.

R37 correct.

Why does that retarded poster with all the red tagged accounts keep making new ones? You would think he would finally get the message Muriel is sending him.

Loved all of Villeneuve's movies so am excited to be seeing this tomorrow on a huge screen.

0/10

[quote] Rebecca Ferguson goes full mama bear

[Immediately tunes out]

Ha ha r8 I hadn’t even seen your reply when I posted mine at r42!

R43 you ARE him.

It should have been called "Dune 2: Electric Boogaloo." The plot would have been about Tim and Zendaya's characters trying to save a community center in the middle of a desert ... by dancing!

I wanna suckle on those nips like a baby.

[quote] 'DUNE: PART TWO' is now at 95% on Rotten Tomatoes from both critics and audiences.

I am confused as to the plot of the planned third movie. Is it going to be the story of the Children of Dune TV series, but all in one movie?

R48 you thought Dune was a single book? It would be based off the second book, Dune Messiah.

What PR firm do you work for OP? I hope they are paying you something even though your review is just this side if ridiculous. Maybe you're an intern...good luck with your career! Have you thought of Fast Food?

Dennis did an amazing job with a tough work to adapt. I'm holding out hope for Berserk, Evangelion, and Blood Meridian some day.

Is there anything sexy in the movie or is it just sand and staring?

r52 Shirtless Butler, as shown in OP's post, is basically the only sexy thing in it.

The final confrontation had none of the drama of the Lynch version.

It sorely misses Alicia Witt’s “But how can this be? For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!”

Not to mention her killing the Baron.

His body layibg out in the desert crawling with ants was no way as fun as watching her spin him out the room into the mouth of an awaiting worm.

George Lucas stole a bunch from Dune for Star Wars. Frank Herbert was actually advised to sue Lucas when the film came out but he chose not to. He said it took everything in him not to sue, but he didn’t.

R51 agreed, especially since the book has always been viewed as unadaptable. There is no way to get that book right on film, but he did a pretty great job at trying to.

The 1984 film is ridiculous and I never got how some liked it. Thankfully most didn’t.

What did Paul say when he killed the Baron? The sound was terrible in my theater.

From the Boston Globe:

[quote]‘Dune: Part Two’: When sand gets in your eyes

[quote]“Dune: Part Two” evaporated from my memory 10 minutes after I walked out of the screening room. It just simply disappeared, like one of the film’s massive sandworms burrowing into the ground. Then it retreated back to from whence it came, leaving no trace in my mind.

[quote]It makes no attempt to situate new viewers or give them a CliffsNotes-style summary. I can’t complain about that decision; after all, this isn’t a sequel — it’s a continuation. And yet, “Part Two” meets all the expected sequel requirements: It’s bigger, louder, costlier, and not as good as the “original.”

I disagree that the Lynch version was ridiculous. It was poorly edited and the special effects were more primitive, but the style was fantastic.

How close was the Lynch version to the novel r60?

[quote]What did Paul say when he killed the Baron? The sound was terrible in my theater.

Something about "you die like an animal."

I tried to read the novel and I failed. It tracks the new version pretty closely, though it ends with a sense of finality, not with a new war starting. Paul deposes the emperor and it begins to rain on Arrakis.

R61 it wasn’t close to the novel at all. This new one is far more on point. The biggest change is the characterization of Chani in part 2.

Dune was a chore to read for me. I actually enjoyed reading Dune Messiah a lot more but it is nothing like Dune. It’s a serious drama, not as much a sci-fi war film.

He would have won nothing R56.

Wouldn't've he? How can you be so certain?

If you watch Star Wars, especially he scenes with Luke on the sand planet, yes, you see it’s what is written in Dune, which came out in 1965, long before Star Wars.

I don’t recall any major plot differences, aside from the presence of Paul’s sister in the Lynch film (which I read tracks the novel), though of course there are scenes in the new versions that were not in the much shorter prior version. I also think the Lynch film omitted the fact that Jessica is a Harkonnen.

The Lynch film did change a lot. Rewatch it.

What did Lucas steal other than the sand worm in the second film? Is the idea of a Galactic empire supposed to be an original idea?

A desert planet?

R71 you definitely didn’t read the novel. Lucas even took the name Princess Alia from Dune and changed it to Princess Leia.

Butler wishes he looked halfway as sexy as Sting in those panties. He will awaken nothing in the loins of young proto-homosexuals watching this movie.

Lmao r75 if Butler did wear the little underwear he would look even hotter than Sting did.

[quote] Lucas even took the name Princess Alia from Dune and changed it to Princess Leia.

You need to learn the difference between copying and paying homage.

It’s copying.

The illustration of Paul in Dune Messiah shows Timmy was perfectly cast, as far as aesthetics.

TIMMY was perfectly cast r79, in aesthetics and all other areas.

Denis V should feel grateful that TIMMY is lending his star power to his movie.

The epic story of Dune is a match for the epic nature of TIMMY.

The 3:15 AM showing earlier this morning was pretty full too!

And what do you imagine, r78, is so special about the name “Alia” that Lucas would “copy” it?

Are we ever going to see the Guild Navigators in these Villeneuve movies?

I think I may very well be in love with the guy sitting front row center, r81.

"And Zendaya had this sour puss look on her face the entire film."

That's the Gen Z School Of Dramatic Arts.

This isn't just any regular movie, the guy sitting front row center might be driven insane by the enormity of it all. And he'll have no one but himself to blame.

I actually started laughing when it kept cutting to Zendaya during the final showdown and she was giving the exact same facial reaction every single time.

I’m so sorry to disappoint you, r44, but you’re not worth such an elaborate ruse.

[quote] you thought Dune was a single book?

Dune IS a single book, published in 1965.

The Dune chronicles are a series of books. Not the same thing.

“ I cannot praise Zendaya’s work as Chani enough in DUNE: PART TWO. There’s a moment in the third act where she quietly and subtly reacts to Paul and it absolutely crushed me, bringing me to tears. Timothée Chalamet is fantastic, but Zendaya really impressed me here.”

I gasped when Feyd-Rautha first appears on screen. 🥵

Yikes, you can see the bald cap on the back of his neck- they didn't match his body as well as they should have.

Is it just more visual Cliff Notes where a story should be? I read Dune, I've scene the oddball Lynch movie a few times. The new Dune films are gorgeous and well made but I cannot remember the first film at all. I'm glad I know the story but my husband doesn't now it and had to keep asking me what the fuck is going on.

R93 it’s on Max. You can just rewatch it.

^ You can go watch. I'll skip the second film, thanks.

TIMMY DOES DRAG

It is not copying R78.

Omg I almost went to see it again tonight but it’s completely sold out 😭

So I checked lower manhattan and it’s also sold out at every showing 😭

Frank Herbert wrote 6 Dune books. The first two are about Paul.

[quote] I think I may very well be in love with the guy sitting front row center

It was a girl.

R89 what are you speaking about? Frank Herbert wrote 6 Dune Books. Those other mass produced Dune books written by those other authors don’t count.

If anyone wants to buy the 6 book collection.

However, books 1-3 are on sale for $16.28

"I've scene the oddball Lynch movie a few times..."

Oh, dear.

Don't believe the hype and don't believe the hate. Part two is better than part one and the visuals and sounds are still top notch but God is it boring. Mouseboy is seriously miscast and Zendaya's one facial expression is both hilarious and annoying. Overall, definitely style over substance.

I like Christopher Walken but I think he was miscast as the Emperor. I just didn't buy it.

Woke rubbish. Girl power blah blah blah.

He was perfectly cast. The Emperor is supposed to be old.

R106 as you were told, stick to your Marvel movies. These movies aren’t for people like you.

I found it interesting from start to finish.

R108 yeah, you didn’t watch it.

R106 did not watch the movie.

He lies to distract himself from his crushing loneliness and unfuckablity

R111: Fuck off scumbag Prince troll. By the way, this movie was horribly mis-marketed. Austin Butler is barely in this thing. Denis shouldn't be allowed anywhere near science fiction.

Oh Matt ^

Come lay your hideous pock marked head on ♥️TIMMY❤️ chest and be soothed

R112 I don’t know where you’ve been, because everyone knows he’s not in it much. Wanna know why? His character shows up more than halfway into the book. Sting is barely in the Lynch film. Retard.

Are you mentally retarded, r102?

R115 about?

All I have to say.

Piss-fuck that fey “Timmy Chevrolet” and his pre-pubescent fan girls.

Impotent raging ^

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

^ Sad fan girl desperately rubbing her pussy, and too stupid to find her clit.

Find the clit on this

Matt doesn’t have a dicklet

Poor Matt

🙏🏽😘❤️TIMMY♥️😘🙏🏻 tolerates (not loves, because you are unlovable) you. Accept the grace of TIMMY…because all that you think about is TIMMY.

🤣😘🤣😘🤣

Does Timmy ride the arse hole yet again?

^ Nope, Timmy is intimidated by pussy looking holes and couldn’t get it up.

Oscars for everyone, including Gavroche!

No, I’ll present hole to either R or D pages.

R97 it’s copying. And it’s being brought to light on social media.

Fun fact- Barry Keoghan was in the running for the Feyd-Rautha role before the asked Austin to read for the role and gave it to him.

Harry Styles was also a finalist.

Harry Styles and Tye Sheridan were also competing for the role before it went straight to Austin, who didn’t have to do the big audition thing the rest of them were doing.

Can someone explain to me the iconic little girl who appeared at the final showdown in the Lynch version? Was that closer to the novels and this movie just had her be in the womb still? I am Confucius.

R130 I don’t remember the kid in the Lynch version, but in the book Alia, sister of Paul and daughter of Leto and Jessica, kills Baron as a toddler with a poisoned tip pin. She is born with full knowledge and wisdom and has psychic abilities because her mother drank the Water of Life while she was still in the womb. Drinking the Water of Life would either turn Jessica into Reverend Mother (if she’s truly a chosen one) or kill her (if she isn’t). Jessica becomes Reverend Mother and gains all wisdom and her family history, and Alia gains the same thing while in her womb. She is born 8 months after the death of her father, Leto.

As far as the Lynch version, I don’t remember the child in it but I know Alicia Witt played Alia so it must be different from the book.

In the new film she is kept in the womb throughout the film but Paul has a vision of her when she’s older. After Jessica becomes Reverend Mother she is able to communicate with her baby inside of her womb, who also now embraces all the same wisdom and power she does. Once Paul evolves some and starts to fall into the role he was meant to fall into he can also communicate with Alia telepathically.

A lot was changed in both films, or at least just left out because there is no way to include everything. They would need to make a whole 3rd film for the first book to include everything.

For example, In the book the war is an ongoing thing and happens over time. There is a final leg to the war, finally, but in the movies there is a build up to the war and then it happens over the final act of the films. In the book the war starts over midway into the story and continues on and off throughout until the final leg finally happens after Paul and Chani’s baby son is murdered during an invasion. All that is also left out of the films.

Saw it last night.

WOW.

I've never read "Dune" and I only caught a portion of Part One.

I still was blown away, in the most entertaining way, by the sheer scale of the cinematography, sets, costumes, production design, and yes, the story.

Manohla Dargis, critic of the NY Times, mildly compared Dune Part Two to the White Savior aspect as in "Lawrence of Arabia".

I didn't think she was complaining about that, but, while watching Dune Part Two, I do get her point.

Still, I experienced a cinematic treat last night. I might even go again.

[quote] I only caught a portion of Part One.

Meant the film "Dune Part One".

Leave it to Manohla to miss the whole point of Paul's savior arc, which even in the novels is meant to be a critique of messianism. I wouldn't have expected anything less from her; she's such a hopeless coastal art lib, more cartoon than person at this point.

I have a pet theory that she was supposed to cover American Fiction, but her woke brain broke trying to review it, so they had to give it to Nicholson instead.

It may be that the novels are meant to be a critique of messianism, but the Fremen nonetheless accept Paul as their Messiah. At this stage in the story, it appears to have worked rather well for them.

OP is largely correct, the movie is terrific, fabulous, nails all of its epic set pieces and ‘big moments,’ and Chalamet and Zendaya, whose relationship humanizes this epic, are both good. Chalamet rises to the occasion and really becomes a convincingly authoritative leader in the last third.

Disagree about Christopher Walken. New York magazine nailed it when they said he seems not to know what movie he is in. He is used for his iconic status, but he seems vague, unraveled. Javier Bardem has become Anthony Quinn, hamming it up to beat the band and loving every minute of his screen time. Everyone else gets into the spirit of the movie, and Austin Butler’s odd looks and narcissistic affect are well used for a change. He could easily be typed playing slimy villains. And interesting to see the actual color values in the pics OP linked to in those scenes — the clothes were evidently dark blue but the colors are interestingly manipulated in those sequences in the film. They’re like — but not quite — black-and-white.

But there are continuity problems. The early scenes are not at all boring as an ADD challenged poster above suggested. But those scenes are deliberate and detailed, and it’s true that the last third of the movie seems suddenly accelerated with no real explanation of why Paul flips from being unwilling to buy into his legend and then suddenly determined to do so (I assume this will be remedied by some future much longer Director’s Cut).

But Director Villeneuve has pulled this off brilliantly — the intimate, emotional story-telling, the world building, the action crowd scenes and epic battles — it’s all really effective and spectacular, I was impressed. It’s hard to do this kind of movie well and he has succeeded. I could see it again.

And see it in IMAX if you can.

[quote] no real explanation of why Paul flips from being unwilling to buy into his legend and then suddenly determined to do so

That’s a pretty big fucking flaw.

Agreed, R 137, and yet it in no way spoiled my complete enjoyment of the movie. It’s a real achievement.

Zendaya can't act.

The pacing was way off for me. Slow beginning, then everything happens too quickly. Paul’s transformation is the heart of the story and yet is either unexplained or explained so subtly that the audience misses it.

One “atomic” and the Harkonnens and the Empire just stand there and surrender, even after their allies appear on the scene?

The only thing more pathetic than TimmyStans are Sci-Fi Geeks. The combo is hilarious.

Zendaya’s a good emotional actress in that she has an expressive face and voice. it’s the kind of good acting you see in old movies with people who haven’t had classical acting training.

Can she play any kind of part convincingly? Does she have range as an actor. No, not yet. And she maybe never will have unless she wants to work hard. But in this kind of role, this kind of acting, she is very good, a natural.

Zendaya gets on my nerves.

Timmy can’t act and gets on my nerves.

R144 yet again, you’re thinking about Timothee Chalamet and it’s provoking ab emotional response

If this actor so upsets you, you need to be in therapy or take medication.

Zendaya only gets on my nerves when I see her which happens rarely. Do I also need medication or therapy?

Yes you do r146

Vagisil Extra Strength

AI can write, act, and direct Dune and nobody would be able to tell the difference.

Dumb comment ^

Shamalamadingdong seems AI generated. Everything about him is calculated and fake.

Even dumber comment ^

R136 Paul goes from doubting his status to leaning into it because all the worship was starting to get to his head. If you pay attention to some of the dialogue you catch glimpses of him slowly going from doubt to thinking he is above all. Chani catches this pretty early on and you can see her slowly side eyeing him a bit before he fully exposes himself.

His last moment of doubt is when he is being stubborn about going south despite being told he needs to. That is when he walks away and puts his hand on the sand and asks Jamis for guidance and he connects with Jamis who tells him to go south. He then goes to drink the Water of Life to become all knowing despite it being against all beliefs. Men are not to drink the Water of Life, only the chosen women, but his mother who now is also on a power trip forces the woman to let her son drink the Water of Life despite it not being allowed. She uses “the voice” to force it and when he arrives down south he drinks it despite it always being deadly for men (something that is acknowledged early on in the dialogue between Jessica and Paul). His body dies and his mother forces Chani, whom he loves, to use her bodies water (tears) to help revive him. He awakens and is on full power trip after that.

It’s all very clear.

So Paul gives up his principles and Chani out of vanity and not some sense of mission?

The scene where Chani has to revive him. I wish she slapped him a few more times. Selfish prick

It’s from a side angle but you can still see.

R 152 You are right, I remember all that, didn’t miss it and yet it seemed like a too-abrupt turnabout for me. Those scenes you describe come at the same time as a lot of other stuff going on and it all comes suddenly and in a rush. Could be a beat or two more was needed to let one or two of those Paul scenes breathe and let the content sink in.

But as I said above, it didn’t spoil my enjoyment of the film at all.

Timmy really was phenomenal!!!

Feyd-Rautha in 4K for you whores 🥵🥵🥵

lol I don’t give a shit what you think R151, or about your obsessed weird fandom of a complete non entity, nor does anyone else here.

Dune is about the complexities and dangers of politics, religion, worship, idolization and faith. So many people miss the message of the story and how it is displaying the dangers of all those things.

This man breaks down the whole “white savior” accusations very well. People saying that just aren’t understanding the film or not even watching it and just running their mouths.

It received an A Cinemascore

I have yet to see this movie, but the stans who are complaining that anyone who dislikes it or finds its themes disturbing just doesn't understand it properly sound like nutters to me.

[quote] Austin Butler’s odd looks

What do you find odd about his looks (not that I disagree)?

On repeat.

Good God. This film has been out for like 5 minutes and I have had sufficient.

Because you are a pussy r165

🌟💙🌟ALL TIMMY CONTENT ALL OF THE TINE💙🌟💙

Austin Butler was truly something else in this. He’s a good looking guy but never does anything for me, until I saw this. Pretty funny how a bald hairless evil psychotic Austin Butler got me aroused

I absolutely love this movie. I've seen it twice already.

Speaking of the White Savior thing, the following is not a criticism, it's just an observation.

When Stilgar is meeting with the elders of the Fremen and the other soldiers to try to convince them that Atreides is of value to be of them, it reminded me so much of "Dances With Wolves" when Kicking Bird (Graham Green) is trying to convince the other warriors to accept John Dunbar.

And, John Dunbar becomes Dances With Wolves. Paul Atreides becomes Muad'Dib Usul

Just a couple of harmless similarities.

In the books does Chani ever become pregnant by Atreides?

At the end of the movie, when she leaves him, I just got the feeling that if there is ever a Dune Part Three, the plot would include her carrying a child of hers and Atreides.

R168 wouldn’t that mean Dances With Wolves stole the idea from Dune? Dune came first, dear.

Overwrought pseudo religious nonsense with a hefty dose of Arab cultural appropriation. Visually stunning but confusing and quite boring. The first part was more coherent and better.

R169 that is the biggest difference between the book and this adaptation. Chani is completely changed by the end of the movie.

Yes, she has his son, Leto II, and he is murdered as a baby during a raid. In the book that is what finally makes Paul go and destroy shit which leads to the final leg of the war.

In the second book she dies while giving birth to their twins.

R171 only confusing to those who have no business watching it in the first place. ☕️

Yeah sorry R173, I wasn’t high when I saw it.

I just got out of watching it, and it was honestly terrific. I was worried people were just being ridiculous but they were not. It was truly a remarkable film. It was engaging from start to end and everything about it was great, especially those visuals and cinematography. The score was great. I loved the music playing as Paul and Chani are slowly falling for one another. Beautiful

It’s a little late to weigh in but I’m gonna.

My apologies to some of you but Chalamet is TERRIBLE in this, as is Zendaya. They both look like they got lost on the way to the bubble tea store. Zendaya has one expression that serves as Thoughtful, Angry, Horny, Hopeful and Tired. Chalamet can’t Telegraph the subtleties of emotion that Paul goes through, which is why half the audience comes out of the theater wondering why he changed his mind about stuff.

I liked the film overall, but I just didn’t think those to could play their film parts. They played their marketing parts well enough though, and I suppose that’s for the best.

Does Austin Butler have these Joker lips in real life?

ANYWAYS… back to reality for those of us who actually watched it.

This reviewer nails it. It’s almost perfect.

Sorry. This reviewer nails it.

I did not like Heath Ledger in his role as “Joker”.

R177

He looks gorgeous at R181.

He looks like trailer trash, and not in a good way. Hollywood is kind of fucked as far as male stars go. They’re all kind of fug, except for Elordi, and to a lesser extent Mescal.

^ LOON

The appeal of Elordi eludes me. Mescal looks like trash to me.

R185 go clean your eyes with bleach.

R 163: I just find his facial proportions weird. His head and face is too long and thin, the long, crimped upper lip bugs me, he’s too tall and lanky — rangy guys who look skinny in clothes don’t attract me.

I can objectively see that he’s handsome to a lot of people, and he is certainly fit, but he always looks smug and entitled to me, which makes me want to smack him. He lacks tenderness, vulnerability, warmth, humor. All of which makes him perfect for his role here.

lol r179. The hyperbole!

I’m rewatching Part 1 after seeing Part 2. There’s a lot of important background in the first movie that helps to make sense of the second, but only true Dunies or people with extraordinary memories will remember it.

Apparently, Timmy is actually a good match for Paul as described in the books.

From a Dune wiki:

[quote]In his youth, Paul was a small boy with an oval face, with tousled coal-colored hair and green eyes. After his time among the Fremen, he grew to a a stringy whipcord of a youth, not as desiccated as the Arrakeen natives, but with ribs there to count, and sunken in the flanks so that the ripple and gather of muscles could be followed under the leathery skin. His oval face was like his mother Jessica’s, but he had stronger bones and a browline reminiscent of his maternal grandfather. He had a thin, disdainful nose, long lashes concealing lime-toned, directly staring green eyes, and a hardness in the expression like the old Duke, his paternal grandfather.

R190 there’s a reason Denis refused to film the movie unless he could get Timmy to lead it. He wouldn’t make it unless Timmy agreed to be his Paul.

R176: The chemistry between Chalamet and Zendaya is some of the worst chemistry on screen. It felt forced and predictable.

He had more/better chemistry with Pugh during that tense short exchange at the end than with Zendaya over the course of two full movies.

R193 r193 stop commenting on a film you haven’t watched. It’s old. It’s boring. And you need to get a job already so you can actually afford to go see it.

Thank you, R136/R187.

Christopher Walken is trending on twitter right now. People praising him.

Walken was great. Loved his delivery of "More, more, give me more" when the Baron was sharing intel about Paul.

"Full of sound and fury signifying nothing" is probably how I would best describe it.

Sound so overpowering that many lines were missed (when Paul kills the Baron he says, "Grandfather...something something").

IIRC Chani has given birth prior to the attack on Arrakeen and the child is killed by the Saurdakar warriors of the Emperor.

How long was Lady J preggo? Or did the whole film take place in under 9 months?

Why did the final scenes take place in a darkly lit cubby hole of the Emperor's ship? Were they under the stairs someplace?

I hated the fact that there was no conclusion; everything was given the same limited importance (impotence?).

Agree r198. And characters introduced who don’t really do anything. At least not in this film. The Princess. The Bene Gesserit who seduces Feyd. I get the sense they’re included because they were important in the book or will be important if Part 3 ever gets made, but their role in this film is almost pointless. It was a problem in the first film, too. All the household characters who are introduced but ultimately never developed as characters or given much to do.

I loved Part 1. It's one my favorite movies ever, which is odd because sci-fi isn't my usual jam. Here's my basic bitch review of Part 2: first half was kind of boring, but does pick up in the second half. Zendaya's performance was underwhelming, and I'm a huge fan. For the first time ever, Timmy managed to stir my loins in the scenes where he is yelling. The whole riding on worms as transportation thing is just silly and an even sillier visual.

It’s a tough adaptation. The plot and characters would be better served by a long-form series, but the visuals belong on the big screen.

I think it’s a worthy follow up but it’s too long and Timmy is miscast as Paul. I had hoped he would beef up for the sequel but he is scrawny and continues to mumble. I didn’t buy him as a leader of a movement because he comes across as a moody teenage girl.

I expect him to announce he’s going trans any day now R202. He certainly seems trans. Not an ounce of masculinity in him.

This movie was a 20/10! It was so good! Our dear Timothee was brilliant.

R202 you certainly didn’t read the book. Timothee is perfectly cast. Paul wasn’t “beefed up”. He was a teenage boy.

R199 did you watch the movie? Your post suggests you didn’t if you’re questioning why Princess Irulan or Lady Margot was in this…. It’s obvious to even the stupidest person. Or at least that is what I thought.

***SPOILERS***

Was Paul supposed to be female? In that’s the case, good casting.

Re Austin Butler:

In conjunction with Reverend Mother Mohiam (Charlotte Rampling), newcomer Lady Margot (Léa Seydoux) suggests that a better option is the Baron’s other nephew, Feyd-Rautha (Austin Butler), a cold-blooded psychopath they believe to be “sexually vulnerable” and thus has the potential to be manageable (“Desire and humiliation — those are his levers”).

Why bother when he gets killed?

R207 are you ok??? Serious question. AGAIN, it is obvious you didn’t actually watch the movie.

Lady Margot shows up at Feyd-Rautha’s fixed fight where he puts on a show for the people with some of the other women of the Bene Gesserit to scope him out. After he wins the fight she seduces him to become pregnant with his child. She then tells Reverend Mother Mohiam she secured his seed and his bloodline. They didn’t know he was going to end up dead later but did expect him to take over for his Uncle.

But I thought they could see the future? Clearly they are not very good at that.

It bugged me when Timmy said “oh shit” at one point in the movie. It’s supposed to be science fiction.

This film may finally make Austin Butler the gigantic star he so desperately wanted "Elvis" to make him be. This is going to be a huge hit, and he's apparently memorably scary in it; plus he looks incredibly fuckable here.

R209 who told you they can see the future? That’s not in the book.

The Bene Gesserit are annoying cunts.

R211 Elvis made Butler a household name.

Whoever did the editing on this three hour hot mess needs to find a job they're better at. I've not even read the books or know the story but am positive there must have been a lot of deleted scenes. It's quite an achievement to make a three hour film still seem rushed. Visually stunning and entertaining, yes, but still a confused jumble sale of a film.

Zendaya was absolutely terrible. All she did was grimace the whole way through.

I was entertained throughout and wasn't bored at any point but it definitely has a lot of faults.

Part 1 was much better. Part 2 is too disjointed. Too many themes. The falling in love storyline was lame. The return of his friend and trainer was too quick and confusing unless you already knew that it was coming. Much of the dialogue was in raspy hushed voices and was hard to understand. The Harkonnens were good. I was still entertained but a masterpiece it was not. Maybe I will enjoy it upon second watching.

The return of Gurney was too quick? He returned 90 minutes into the film….

I thought it was top drawer. One of the best films of the decade, thus far.

R218 one of the best films in years. It’s brilliant. I’ve watched it twice now and want to again.

Someone on twitter has watched it 8 times since Thursday (seriously).

Austin Butler was miles better than Sting as Feyd.-Rautha. It’s not even close. And both are a million times better than Matt Keeslar, who looked like he was at a gay club in the forgotten 2000 miniseries. Physically he is the closest to what the books Feyd looks like though, outside of the ridiculously gay costumes.

The Harkonnen’s costumes in the 2000 miniseries

It looks like a gay porn shoot.

[quote] So I checked lower manhattan and it’s also sold out at every showing

Mayor Adams is probably giving all the illegal migrants free tickets and vouchers for snacks

It is, of course, obvious what the Margot, the Bene Gesserit who visits Feyd does. The question is why? What difference does it make to the plot of the film we see? It is perhaps planting a seed (see what I did there?) for a plot point in another movie that, if it is ever made at all, is probably at least five years away. That is a problem.

Similar issue with the Princess. She’s there as a prop to marry Paul in the future, but has nothing to do in this film and making her a narrator doesn’t fix the problem. I’d like to have some of what those raving over Pugh’s performance are smoking.

R223 yeah these films aren’t for you. Stick to Marvel.

Oh, how biting.

Princess Irulan didn't make much sense in the Lynch movie either (it looked like Paul was just going to claim her and rape her). She makes more sense in the books because they reveal she's actually a covert member of the Bene Gesserit with a secret mission.

R226 that’s implied in this one when she is a part of the Bene Gesserit meeting with Lady Margot and Rev Mother. Only fellow members can be a part of it and they never let others know what they are.

Feyd accuses Margot of being a part of it and she acts like he’s wrong.

Princess Irulan didn’t make sense in being there? She needs to be there for the final battle. That is when she offers herself to Paul, making him Emperor who takes over the throne. Jesus people.

She needs to be there as a prop in the final scene, but they obviously tried to make it a more significant role by giving her the narration and conversations with her father, but none of it amounted to much in the way of drama or character development.

[quote] Similar issue with the Princess. She’s there as a prop to marry Paul in the future, but has nothing to do in this film and making her a narrator doesn’t fix the problem

She is narrator of part of the book which is why Lynch also used her to introduce the film. Hers are the opening words.

R229 those convos are necessary. We learn Emperor was behind the death of Leto and we see the dynamic. Princess Irulan is an important role but a small one in Dune. Messiah is where her role is large. She also ends up with Paul and Chani’s kids after they’re both dead and she goes on to write the biography of Paul.

“Character development”???? You sure love throwing that around. Not every character needs to be fleshed out completely with a backstory.

Go read some grade school books or something. This movie is far too grown for someone with a brain like yours man.

Yes, and what r230 said. Shes also narrator of this one. Not having much screentime doesn’t mean your role wasn’t important. Irulan is essential to the story.

But not important to the film.

OP is a publicist shill....This movie didn't even break 100 million in the U.S....More proof theaters are a dinosaur.

R233 only she is. What film did you watch? Ugh. I forgot. You didn’t watch it. ☕️

I enjoyed Pugh's narration, was one of my favourite parts of the movie and I wished we spent more time with her on Kaitan.

The women in the film are all props, except for dyke Zendaya.

Lady Jessica is hardly a prop, R237. The idea of her driving around Dune on the back of a worm to spread the gospel of Paul Atreides like some kind of mafia mom is kind of hilarious, really.

Just got back, what a trip!

People accusing this of being a "white savior narrative completely miss the fact that it's a critique of white savior narratives.

All of the acting was excellent Chalamet was electric in the finally 45 minutes and 100 percent believable as a charismatic who could whip an entire people into holy war.

Zendaya was wonderful too. I can't understand the people who find her so irritating she has utterly no vanity as an actress one of the few big female stars who puts her full focus outside of herself onto her costars and what's going on around her, rather than basking in the glow of the cameras attention. And yet still watchable as hell. I left the film furious on her behalf

The Harkonnens and their culture were scary as fuck and fascinating, were they vampires? Cannibals? Can't get the image of those creepy all black clad referees in the gladiator arena out of my head

Rebecca Furgeson was formidable as hell. That blue life water seems as damaging to the soul as the ring of power.

Lea seydeaux and Austin butler scene added a nice moment of film noir sexiness to a movie that otherwise feels pretty sexless.

Javier Bardeen was hilarious

Why did chanis dykey friend stay behind. That was dumb.

Paul did Chani so dirty. I think everyone walks out of that theater hating him and his mission im very much dying to find out what happens next

[quote] People accusing this of being a "white savior narrative completely miss the fact that it's a critique of white savior narratives.

I don't know how they slanted the new films but per Herbet the novels were not about "white saviors" but instead "charismatic leaders". Specifically JFK and his fuckups. Paul's jihad genocided multiple worlds and ravaged many more, leaving scores of billions dead.

HERBERT: There is definitely an implicit warning, in a lot of my work, against big government . . . and especially against charismatic leaders. After all, such people-well-intentioned or not-are human beings who will make human mistakes. And what happens when someone is able to make mistakes for 200 million people? The errors get pretty damned BIG!

For that reason, I think that John Kennedy was one of the most dangerous presidents this country ever had. People didn't question him. And whenever citizens are willing to give unreined power to a charismatic leader, such as Kennedy, they tend to end up creating a kind of demigod . . . or a leader who covers up mistakes—instead of admitting them—and makes matters worse instead of better.

We didn't mistrust Kennedy the way we did Nixon, although we probably had just as good reason to do so. But Nixon's downfall was due to the fact that he wasn't charismatic. He had to be sold just like Wheaties, and people were disappointed when they opened the box.

I think it's vital that men and women learn to mistrust all forms of powerful, centralized authority. Big government tends to create an enormous delay between the signals that come from the people and the response of the leaders.

Put it this way: Suppose there were a delay time of five minutes between the moment you turned the steering wheel on your car and the time the front tires reacted. What would happen in such a case?

[quote] People accusing this of being a "white savior narrative completely miss the fact that it's a critique of white savior narratives

It’s both. Besides, you need to know the rest of the story to understand the “critique.”

Looks boring.

I will say I have a hard time buying into action films where slender sticks kick ass like UFC heavyweights. I could beat up Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya at the same time and I’m relatively unhealthy. It’s too ridiculous especially when its knife and close quarters fighting when overcoming a huge weight disadvantage against a competent opponent would be basically impossible.

[quote] R229] those convos are necessary.

You’re missing my point. It’s not that there is literally no reason to include these characters in this film.. It’s that they feel shoe-horned in because they will be important in another movie that may get made someday. Perhaps it would be less glaring if they hadn’t cast stars in these small roles. I also might feel differently if I was confident Part 3 will actually get made any time soon (or at all.)

It’s difficult to adapt a dense series of novels for a series of films. You have to include scenes and characters that would probably be omitted from a stand-alone film (though at the risk of outraging fans of the novels).

[quote] I will say I have a hard time buying into action films where slender sticks kick ass like UFC heavyweights.

Dune is one of the very few stories that sort of thing can make sense

The only actually "problematic" (gods, how I loathe that word) thing about this movie isn't the white saviour stuff, it's that damn Middle Eastern woman's cry to signify a dramatic moment, plus having the Harkonnens randomly kill female slave to establish how very bad they are. Those two elements already haven't aged well and the movie is still playing in theatres.

[quote] I will say I have a hard time buying into action films where slender sticks kick ass like UFC heavyweights. I could beat up Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya at the same time and I’m relatively unhealthy. It’s too ridiculous especially when its knife and close quarters fighting when overcoming a huge weight disadvantage against a competent opponent would be basically impossible.

How can this be? For he is the Kwisatz Haderach

I am sure the Oppenheimer team was relieved when Dune2 moved their opening to March '24. it would have been a real battle for movie/director/photography and technical awards.

[quote] I could beat up Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya at the same time and I’m relatively unhealthy

Pics please.

R243 a quick google search shows Bruce Lee's height and weight as 5'8" and 141 lbs. I'm pretty sure that fighting skill depends on other physical qualities than bulk and it's a real fact that bigger muscles are not always stronger muscles. most boxers are extremely lean.

A Datalounge fattie being able to beat up Timmy 🤣🤣

R 234 — You are delusional. Did you even read the article you linked to? “Dune 2” is a smash, the $81.5 million domestic gross was the top figure floated as a possibility and add in the $97 million it made overseas and I think by most people’s standards you have a big hit in this “dinosaur” of a motion picture industry.

Add in the mostly excellent reviews (many of them raves) and the A rating it got from Cinemascore and the fact that an IMAX executive is quoted as saying that their screens in prime locations are booked for weeks in advance and I think we certainly have the Barbenheimer event of 2024.

No, this won’t save a whole industry, but it’s exactly the sort of movie that will continue to attract people to theaters. Is it for everyone? Evidently not, as the nit-picking and typical DL sniping here suggests. But this life long movie goer thinks that any pacing and continuity issues are over-shadowed by Villeneuve’s incredible achievement here. It’s a damn good movie.

Avengers Endgame opened with $357 million.

Who am I to disagree with a life-long movie-goer?

r253 Avengers Endgame was a movie made for children using a very tired template. It had no artistic merit and, like any other corporate product, its sole purpose was to generate $$.

Dune pt2 is a serious-minded, artistically highly ambitious adult-orientated movie aimed at an entirely different audience and made with entirely different motivations.

The facts that: 1) it has had the highest-grossing opening weekend of any film since Barbie (the biggest-grossing movie of 2023) and 2) It grossed more than double the opening w/end of Dune are pretty remarkable, just as is noted in the article to which you originally linked.

I don't think you're going to convince many people that sci-fi epics like "Dune 2" are that serious-minded.

It has people with glowing eyes riding giant alien worms, for God's sake.

When you are boasting about box office, the relative merits of higher grossing films are beside the point.

Its opening was decent. Nothing more. The film cost $190 million to make.

Review from "Hollywood Reporter."

Sounds like Villeneuve dodged the more complex political issues.

As I was sitting on the bog this morning, I thought of Butler's Irish accent and started laughing all over again. I wonder what his costars must have thought at the table read when he opened his mouth for the first time.

Trout mouth

[quote]I wonder what his costars must have thought at the table read when he opened his mouth for the first time

I imagine several thought about what it would feel like to stick their cock in there.

The film sucked.

[quote] It’s here that Villeneuve’s film could have seized the opportunity to interrogate the implications of Paul and Jessica, two outsiders connected to the imperial regime, inheriting the secrets and traditions of the indigenous Arrakis. That transference, a fellow critic noted after the press screening, is its own kind of colonial violence.

Mary!

R260, You realize that Austin is only on the left, and on the right is Chord Overstreet from "Glee"? Do all blonds look alike to you?

R259, What "Butler's Irish accent"??

And I'll tell you what his co-stars "thought at the table read": $🏆$🏆$.

All trouty mouths look the same.

R255 this was actually a discussion I had today at work. The people who are downplaying this films success are “Marvel minded” people, who think Marvel’s films and numbers reflect the movie industry as a whole, and now of a film doesn’t make over $100 million in its opening weekend it’s not a “hit” to them.

These idiots are so out of touch. Marvel’s entire purpose is to make money and sell toys and games etc. Dune is a film for adults.

R240, Your grasp of the JFK Administration and his personal charm is...fair.

Yes, JFK was charismatic. But he was most certainly not a cult-like leader, declaring his way the only way or his leadership the only salvation; nor were his supporters unquestioning and violent Zombies, as we see with the Cult of Trump and his MAGAts.

By his death, JFK was positioned in polls such that he and his advisors were thinking seriously of replacing LBJ to improve the Incumbent's standing.

R216: "raspy hushed tones": I HATE THAT STYLE! Aren't people supposed to have normal-toned voices anymore?!

I’m one of the people downplaying the film’s success and I am not a Marvel fan. The worldwide opening gross doesn’t come close to cracking the top 50. Number 50–The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 grossed $274 million in 2014 vs. Dune 2’s $183 million.

Its opening was fine. Nothing to boast about.

R270 lmao. You’re so pathetic.

How so? Because I don’t endorse the false claim that Dune 2 is a huge hit?

Dune 2 is a minor hit.

R272 it’s a hit. Whether you endorse it or not is irrelevant. Look at your posting histories. Yes, plural. You’re a nobody running your mouth on the internet. No job. No education. The irony in you trying to degrade Chalamet for not having gone to an arts college when you yourself have done nothing with your life so far but live off your family and post online 24/7.

R272: I guess they may get some of their money back from the first movie. I understand part one came out in the Covid era but it was for all intents and purposes a massive flop. Typically, the studio only gets about a half of the box office take. The other half goes to the cinema chains. Then you have distribution and publicity costs, which for a film like this could be anything up to $100M. Dune 2 has to make north of $500M to start making a profit, which I think it will do easily. However, if you balance it out with the first film, not so much of a hit in the end.

R275 no. Dune 2 needs to make around $400 million. Stop with your made up fucking numbers. I’m sick of it. We all are.

R275 is “it is profitable?” Troll

[quote] [R272] it’s a hit. Whether you endorse it or not is irrelevant. Look at your posting histories. Yes, plural. You’re a nobody running your mouth on the internet. No job. No education. The irony in you trying to degrade Chalamet for not having gone to an arts college when you yourself have done nothing with your life so far but live off your family and post online 24/7.

Looks like I hit a nerve.

I don’t know what makes you think you can determine my education and job history from my posts about how big a hit Dune Part 2 is. That’s some disordered thinking.

P.S. I defended TC against the poster who was criticizing him for not going to a prestigious arts college, so you’re also incompetent at stalking on DL.

[quote] [R240], Your grasp of the JFK Administration and his personal charm is...fair.

r268 Your reading comprehension is less than fair. Those quotes about Kennedy are directly from Herbert explaining his thought process in creating Paul.

And as far as dumping LBJ, Jack would love to have done this, but he'd rather be president. Piss off LBJ and those Texas electoral votes would go straight to Goldwater. The stylish but otherwise mediocre and stumbling New Frontier was in big trouble as 1964 approached.

R278 not a nerve. We are just sick of your lies and bullshit. Just get off the thread. Seriously. You’re a marvel brained loser. Living off your family. And yes, you are a Marvel person.

It just occurs to me the only Marvel movie I've ever watched starred David Hasselhoff as Nick Fury. The only time they respected the truth of the character.

I wish Zendaya could have just said "Tell me of your homework, Usil," at least once.

HOMEWORLD!

Damn autocorrect!

HOMEWORK is perfect for barely pubescent Tim !

[quote] You realize that Austin is only on the left, and on the right is Chord Overstreet from "Glee"? Do all blonds look alike to you?

You do realize I replied to R259 who wrote, “I wonder what his costars must have thought at the table read when he opened his mouth for the first time.” I responded trout mouth because his mouth resembles that of Chord Overstreet (Sam, aka Trout Mouth, from Glee). Austin and Chord are often said to resemble one another hence my being able to readily find and link a picture of both of them. There are many such pictures.

I would have liked to hear “I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.”

Just got in from sold out Monday viewing on IMAX.

I need to gather my thoughts, but I’ll tell you one thing:

Zendaya will be nominated for an Oscar next year

R287: Lol for what scowling at the camera?

r287, BITCH, PLEASE! 🙄

No one in the movie is going to be nominated for acting. Period.

With franchisable IP films like this, people are willing to forgive or ignore mediocre acting. If America Ferrera can get nominated simply for reciting lines, Zendaya getting nominated for an hour and a half of scowling is not out of the question.

I’m no Zendaya fan, but her acting is more subtle and emotional than her haters here have suggested.

R292 she was very good in this. I thought she elevated Chani in a way the previous two actresses who played her didn’t. Chani is pretty lame in the book. Her undying and blind loyalty to Paul is annoying. She just accepts all he says and follows his lead, even when it hurts her own people. In this one they changed her to actually question him and she puts her people and planet before the white foreigners who swoop in and take over.

In case you missed part one

Ive said this before but Zendaya's acting is very unselfish and focused outside of herself. I detect no vanity. Most actresses treat the camera like a mirror. She doesnt even seem to notice it exists. Its fascinating to me- her red carpet persona is very camera conscious and stylized, but once she starts acting she lets go of all that bullshit

When Bennifer are sitting in front of you at the IMAX showing and you don’t notice until the movie is over.

It's not just that Rodent Boy doesn't physically look the part, he simply has no on-screen charisma and he isn't even trying.

R297

Timmy has tremendous charisma, both on screen and off, but in Dune 2, once he ingests the Water Of Life, he’s on fire and becomes the foretold prophet.

But you wouldn’t really know r297 / Matt Anscher because you haven’t seen the movie have you? Both because you cannot stand to see Timmy’s beautiful face on screen for 2.45 hours, but because you’re too poor to buy a ticket because you’re on permanent disability for your craziness and bone deep ugliness .

R279, Well, then I'll just redirect my criticism to the author. Moreover, if JFK were such an unquestioned cult figure, why then was his "New Frontier" "stumbling"? (Rhetorical. He was not a cult figure.)

I confess, r285, that I did not realize you were responding to r259 as your post of r260 did not reference it. Yes, I've been aware for years that some people think that Austin and Chord resemble[d] each other. There are websites devoted to actors who resemble other actors.

Still waiting to learn what r259 meant by "Butler's Irish accent."

What do you mean what I meant by his Irish accent? He was doing an Irish accent in this movie. Are you deaf, you dumb cunt?

Oh, and you can stop WW'ing yourself, dear. It's not a good look.

He wasn’t doing an Irish accent R301. He was copying Stellan Skarsgard’s accent, who is a Swede and plays his father. It’s just so bad that it sounds Irish.

Oh, right, r301 and r303; "[i]t's just so bad...." So bad that every reviewer called his accent a perfect impersonation of Skarsgard (which can itself be criticized, but not as either "bad" or "Irish." And the Timmy Loon thinks HIS boy has haters?!).

The good:

The score.

The sets, for the most part.

The opening skirmish with the black-clad soldiers floating upwards towards the cliff. Disorienting, nightmarish, graceful. Really superbly done.

Lady Margo's seduction scene, one of the most beautifully composed and frightening in genre film. Great reveal.

The spattering "fireworks" at the great post-stadium gala.

Solid acting, mostly, especially from Timothy (I am not a fan).

The bad:

Christopher Walken - he's great, but not here. And by not here, he appears to be only nominally present.

Pugh is no Virginia Madsen. That might seem a low bar to cross, but Madsen effectively conveyed a remote, oracular presence.

Zendaya is a talented and likable actress but despite clear efforts is still the same high school kid she was in the Spiderman films. Her final scenes are a classic example of being given nothing to do and no way to do it. The Director seemed to just put her in a corner and say "Stay! Stay! Bad Zendaya!" repeatedly.

Having the actor who portrays Raban be the dude who played essentially the exact same fucking type, physically and mentally, in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie was a misstep. There was nothing he could do to rid me of my expectation that a talking raccoon was just about to show up and start kicking ass.

Speaking of which there was no need for the Harkonnens to be so grotesque overall. We get it, they're the villains. They don't need to be bald albinos with black teeth. It would have been more off-putting overall if Feyd, at least, was conventionally attractive.

The worm-riding was nuts, as it was in the book. How do they keep the worms from submerging in the sand? How do they guide them? What the hell are these things eating that allows them to grow to such size? Are there billions of sand-krill we never hear about? What do the freeman eat, for that matter? Why are we continually told that the south of the planet is inhospitable when it appears to be common knowledge that millions of people live there?

The silly:

Stilgar riding by on his worm like it ain't no thang. Paul giving him a wave as if he's watching his surfer buddy catch a roll. I expected the Beach Boys to start in with "Surf City".

There wasn't room for Tim Blake Nelson and the movie is nearly three hours long.

The new characters (Pugh, Walken, Butler) were wasted. Austin Butler amounts to little more than a cameo. Walken and Chalamet were good for a closeup on their faces but were completely unbelievable once their mouths opened for any line of dialogue.

People are openly laughing at Walken in theaters. He nearly ruins the movie. Completely miscast.

They should NOT laugh at Walken. He taught a whole generation that if you walk without rhythm, you won't attract the worm.

r305, if there is one thing I remember from the book, the hooks pull the worm's outer segments open, leaving the inner tender part of the worm exposed, such that the worm with stay on the surface to avoid the inner parts from getting full of sand (or something like that).

I generally prefer my inner parts to remain sand-free as well.

[quote] R305], if there is one thing I remember from the book, the hooks pull the worm's outer segments open, leaving the inner tender part of the worm exposed, such that the worm with stay on the surface to avoid the inner parts from getting full of sand (or something like that).

It could just roll over and kill everyone. Problem solved.

The real answer is that Shai Hulud desires to be ridden.

[quote] It could just roll over and kill everyone.

I suppose it could if uncontrolled. I don't know about the new version but n the Lynch film you see the mechanisms the Fremen use to hold open the segments and control the worm's movements. Beyond that, leaving aside Leto the Second the God Emperor, the worms are simply beasts without intelligence.

R312, don't we all.

R307, 23 minutes, word has it. And that bit comes only after 90 minutes.

And yet the premieres and press interviews all include Austin as a Big Part, capitalizing on his "Elvis" popularity and as a member of some gimmicky "Modern Major 4" group of young-ish actors. Florence, too.

IOW, Austin is almost being used as a Bait and Switch.

R305, Not one reviewer agrees with you about this version of Feyd-Rautha's appearance. And surely you don't suggest that either Denis or Austin would want the ever-ready anti-Butler coterie to say how he is "copying" Sting?

R310, Author Herbert apparently wanted---consciously or unconsciously---a creepy hermaphroditic symbol. Like worms.

R315, Herbert described Feyd as a comely youth and even the Baron was supposed to be very beautiful as a young man (his corpulence was the result of as degenerative disease, not gluttony). The idea that the Harkonnens are simply a race of freaks does not do the original concept or the film any favors.

Well, I guess it can’t roll over as long as the rider is holding the scales open, because it would get sand in its sensitive parts, but surely it could shake them off.

It seems strange that the fremen worship the worms if they are just insentient beasts.

Do the worms use Vagisil for their most sensitive areas?

Let’s see.

I’ve made the conscious decision to buy a ticket to a fictional movie set far into the future where the protagonist has visions, drinks blue worm urine and, as a result, becomes a messianic figure, there’s gravity defying weaponry, and yet, I’m going to nit-pick on the logistics of riding a gigantic worm?

I’d say that matter left the barn when I decided to buy the ticket.

Some people seek a deeper understanding of Herbert’s world than you. That’s nothing to boast about.

Sandworm MARY ^

You mean Shai-Hulud MARY!

If we were talking about how the midiclorians work in Star Wars, I’d bow to your condescension. But Dune has endured as a major literary work for many decades, and Herbert took care in creating his worlds. I won’t apologize for spending some time to understand it.

More akin to diving into Tolkien than Harry Potter in my opinion, though I confess to having given more attention to counting horcruxes than the material warrants.

R307 stop commenting on a film you very clearly didn’t watch.

Butler isn’t a “cameo”. He has his own scenes.

Maybe read the source material.

Someone on twitter saw it 11 times since Thursday.

R320, A "deeper meaning" wouldn't be about r319's sarcastic "the logistics of riding a gigantic worm."

It would involve mythology (including quite obviously Christian) and Campbell's Journey of the Hero; psychology; symbolism/semiotics; feminist theory; and so on.

R325, And? We're all just trying to fend off conscious awareness of our mortality, so whatever works.

I didn’t say “deeper meaning,” and putting quotes on those words is misleading.

I said deeper understanding—such as figuring out how one rides sandworms without getting killed and why the Fremen worship them.

R31, Your question is silly, and r30/r32 is....unreliable. While he might very well find, as is anyone's prerogative, Austin's accent not to his, the auditor's, liking, it has been described by legit (as opposed to Reddit or DL) critics as precisely like Stellan's (uncle to Feyd-Rautha).

The "Elvis" voice criticism is long past its relevance.

My apologies, r328. I try to be accurate, but clearly here I was not.

"’I'm going to nit-pick on the logistics of riding a gigantic worm?"

He never had an issue on our film.

Wow, that fake is so bad it looks like a painting.

I love how gays all over social media are loving her and wish there was more of her. Not shocked she is a gay fave though. Im r1. I also liked her and wish there was more of her. QUEEN.

I’m done with twitter for the day. People really reach for the stars to be offended over every little thing.

R333, it was an Oscar-worthy performance, and gorgeously directed - to the extent that I suspect the Director rather has a crush on the actress.

R334, how does she say "Chani"?

R335 you think he has a crush on her because he made the Bene Gesserit member who was sent to seduce Feyd-Rutha sexy? Her mission was to test him and secure the seed to continue his bloodline. They really couldn’t have Lena Dunham in the role.

R337, the cameras devoured her (as she deserved). No other female cast member, including some very attractive women, had a fraction of the charge.

R338 you’re crediting Denis for her screen presence instead of her. Shes a presence. A natural large presence

[quote] They really couldn’t have Lena Dunham in the role.

Lens was considered for playing one of the sandworms, however.

How very dare you!!!

I was considered for one of the moons.

She rhymes it with "tucking jigger punt". I thought it was a little jarring, myself.

Amen, r334. And many without any extant point of reference (aka, made up out of whole cloth).

IOW, trolls abound.

Another review:

I agree with this^ He stole the movie.

I haven't seen it yet- did they black out his teeth?

Timothée is the Twinksatz Haderach.

DeepFocusLense gives this film a middling review. I respect her although I relate to film completely different from her: I am an emotional movie watcher and she is very intellectual. She has an interesting take.

A product placement occurs for the official cookie of the film when Paul asks Gaius Helen Mohiam, "What's in the box?" She responds "Yumminess!"

R348, "[M]iddling"?! She HATED IT! Her tone of voice is calm and her language temperate, but come on!

When she says that one glimpse of Sting was more impressive than all of Austin Butler, who to her just wasn't psycho enough, but whose Feyd is otherwise almost universally praised, you know this reviewer has no love lost for the movie!

She likes when Timothee learns to ride the Sandworms, but then goes on to describe the latter in vulgar pejoratives, and has nothing more to say about Paul. Zendaya she ignores completely!

Florence Pugh was a "Why?"; a "waste." Same for Christopher Walken, a "waste."

The only bright light belongs to Javier Bardem. 🙄

Basically she thinks Denis Villeneuve with "Dune: Part 2" was a poor man's David Lean and a cowardly man's David Lynch.

Saw it last night and really enjoyed it. Epic movie and should be seen on the big screen. Was I the only one what couldn’t stop thinking about skull f***ing Austin Butler’s character? I don’t remember his lips being so big and inviting before??!!

R351 yes. He has. Since a teen.

I saw it this afternoon, finally. It was a beautiful and amazing work of art that left me rather indifferent, and I need to think about why.

It needed more ... cowbell. Lynch's 1984 film, for all its problems, had cowbell galore.

Saw it last night.

Mouseboy's plastic looking chin was too distracting.

Those erect micronips in OP's photo could cut a diamond.

[quote]Speaking of which there was no need for the Harkonnens to be so grotesque overall. We get it, they're the villains. They don't need to be bald albinos with black teeth. It would have been more off-putting overall if Feyd, at least, was conventionally attractive.

this 100 times over. not sorry.

It's finally available on torrent sites. Will probably watch it today