Christian Nationalism

This movement, combined with Maga, is creating the perfect storm of fascism in the US. These are scary people.

^True. Some of the nastiest cunts l’ve ever seen, loudly trumpet that they are CHRISTIANS!!

Cunts.

Patriotism and religion are the lowest of the higher impulses, they prohibit any evolution in dimwits who need it most.

[quote] For them, the worst outcome of all is that the deal, by being popular, might deny them an opening to pass hideously onerous restrictions later. The imagery of a destabilized border *along with congressional sclerosis in response* is the combo that Trump/MAGA need. They're betting this could make swing voters open to the white nationalist barbarism that they're pushing as the only "solution."

Thank Bill Clinton and Obama.

Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993

R6, it didn't help but it's hardly their fault. But anything to smear the dems, huh?

Yes Salon is the same thing as Breitbart

I had a big problem with Obama because of his gay marriage stance. The whole, "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman" rhetoric was nauseating to hear from a Democrat president in the 21st century. While he did come around towards the end of his second term, it wasn't until countless states legalized gay marriage that it became comfortable to do so. I expected more from him, despite his religion.

I honestly don't think it came from his religion, R9 -- I believe the theory that Obama is a closet atheist (or at least a deist) who kept his true beliefs to himself because he would have been unelectable otherwise. I think his gay marriage stance was a calculated pose which arose from his political circumspection or timidity. That is my big problem (or disappointment) with him -- that he didn't push for much more and fight back much harder.

r9 Obama was far from the only one with that stance. Nobody in the Democratic party really supported it until they saw regular people supporting it. The Clintons had that same stance as well, and they both looked pretty happy when signing DOMA. When they started acting like they supported it all along, the establishment did a pretty good job to make sure all that was swept under the rug.

You also have to look around at that time. Obama won California at the same time Prop 8 passed. The Hate Crimes Act barely passed with the protections for gays. They had to wait until lame duck session to get rid of DADT. If he had come out in support of that in 2008, he'd end up like Bernie Sanders.

On January 30, pastor and far-right media figure Jack Hibbs gave the House of Representatives’ opening prayer as guest chaplain at the invitation of Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA). Hibbs used the opportunity to pray for God to bring “holy fear” to the representatives in preparation for a “coming day of judgment” in which “all who have been and are now in authority will answer to” God.

Hibbs is a pro-Trump Christian nationalist pastor who has built a right-wing media profile through interviews on Fox News, Newsmax, and Charlie Kirk’s Salem Media program, and his weekly commentaries have aired on Fox Business.

Hibbs has openly supported right-wing candidates and campaigned against LGBTQ inclusion in public schools, and he frequently warns followers of a coming “Antichrist.” Hibbs made headlines after the January 6 insurrection for defending the violence at the Capitol as “what you get when you eject God from the courts and from the schools,” and he later said that President Joe Biden “needs to be facing court-martial.”

Christo-Fascists are trumps base.

#wrong

Mother doesn’t like it when I don’t self-segregate.

DOMA was a compromise. Otherwise we'd have a constitutional amendment prohibiting same-sex marriage, which probably would have passed at the time.

They don't believe in compromise. Nobody has the right to make any decisions except them and they will block the good so as to make sure they get their idea of perfect (and be miserable in the meantime).

[quote] In the days leading up to the attack on the Capitol, Hibbs echoed Donald Trump's election fraud lies and inflamed his followers by preaching that January 6* would go down in history alongside the War of Independence and the War of 1812. By preaching that God had anointed the Trump administration and could still intercede to save Trump's presidency on January 6", Hibbs advanced a religious permission structure that led to violence by those who believed any means were justified to carry out what they viewed as God's plan. On January 6", Hibbs attended the MAGA rally at the Ellipse that preceded the attack. Immediately after the sacking of the Capitol, he went on Tony Perkins' "Washington Watch" program to tacitly justify what had just happened by repeating the lie that the election was "manipulated" and claiming: "This is what you get when you eject God from the courts and from the schools" and teach children they are "evolutionary byproducts."

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[quote] Among other things, he has called transgender people a "sexually perverted cult" who are in "violation of the word and will of God" and part of an "anti-God, anti-Christ plan of none other than Satan himself." He launched a nationwide campaign to require schools to out transgender students in order to defeat "demonic and dark satanic powers." He claims that same-sex marriage has "crucified God's word and that homosexuality and acceptance of LGBTQ+ people is evidence that humanity is living in the "last days." He champions discredited "conversion therapy" and has rallied opposition to a California law to reduce anti-LGBTQ+ bullying in schools.

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[quote] Hibbs' intolerance non-Christians is also breathtaking. He preaches that Christians are at "war" against the "death cult" of Islam, which he calls a "vehicle for Satan in the Last Days. He criticizes Christians who seek interfaith dialogue with Muslims based on the common Abrahamic origins of the two religions as falling for "a demonic doctrine being propagated by heretics." At a time of rising antisemitism, Hibbs also disparages Jews as being in a "stupor" and a "God-given blindness," unlike the "true Jews" who worship Jesus because "they didn't get bogged down in Judaism, which... cannot save you." He also recently argued that the Israel-Hamas war is another sign of the End Times and that Jewish people must save themselves by turning to Jesus; if they do, he urges Christians to "look past the sins of Israel and the sins of the Jew and give them the hope of Jesus."

[quote] Hibbs also embraces the false and exclusionary Christian nationalist narrative that the United States was established as a "Christian nation," and he has repeatedly flouted separation of church and state by working to institutionalize Christian prayer and bible readings at local school board meetings, among other things.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police posted an advertisement for the force's 'student employment opportunity,' which is aimed at grade 11 high school students.

Unveiled on X, the recruitment drive specifically targeted those who identify as female - saying 'We’re looking for high school 𝒔𝒕𝒖𝒅𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒔 𝒊𝒏 𝒈𝒓𝒂𝒅𝒆 11 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒊𝒅𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒊𝒇𝒚 𝒂𝒔 𝒘𝒐𝒎𝒆𝒏.'

'If that’s you and you’re curious about a career in public safety, we have a full week’s worth of paid work for you! Registration closes in 2 weeks,' the post continued.

The post drew strong mocking online for being 'woke' and only asking for people who identify as women, and not those born as women.

'Corruption & woke madness has seeped down from our Prime Pervert's Gov't to all areas of society,' one user wrote.

Sergeant Preston is spinning in his grave.

I identify as a redneck Christian woman!

Americans are fucking nuts

If the Christian Nationalists kooks get serious power, we’re fucked.

Not a lot of people in the US have Anglo European ethnicity.

(pure)

[quote] Terry is running for president for 2 reasons: To show millions of Americans the grizzly truth about abortion. Terry’s presidential ads show graphic images of aborted babies. To call on Roman Catholics, Evangelicals and Black Americans who voted for Biden in 2020 to repent and not vote for Biden in 2024, in the hope of causing Biden to lose key swing states.

[quote] Note: FEC and FCC law require television stations to run the ads of federal candidates uncensored 60 days prior to the November 5th election. Mr. Terry ran for president in 2012 and ran ads in multiple states showing aborted babies.

[quote] I’ll spare you the gory ads here, but if you feel compelled to view them, they are here.

Christian evangelics have almost no influence on America at large. This isn't 1980. The real threat now is the demoralizing far left.

James Talarico is a member of the Texas State Legislature

(and a seminary student)

These Christians violate the core tenets of the faith they claim as their own.

Say good bye to religious freedom and freedom from religion. They will force you to be a Evangelical for their Rambo Hate filled Jesus.

These low lives are the modern day version of Pharisees. But, these assholes don't read. They have no idea that. they existed before...

"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them."

Sound familiar? Well, these kind of 'people' are holding office and if they win, get ready for the work camps and random deprotations...If you're lucky.

Great thread thanks for posting OP. I have been learning more about Christian Nationalism and what it stands for and what it means recently and was thinking of posting a thread on DL about it myself.

In my learning journey about Christian Nationalism - one thing I have come to firmly understand is that they absolutely HATE us and want to eradicate us. Us = gays and specifically gay males.

We all need to be very aware and educated about these people because they're coming for us now. Their first stop will be gay marriage and then existing discrimination laws and protections for gay people. They want those removed.

Obama is on record being pro-gay marriage before becoming president. He was playing politics.

R27, it’s both.

[quote]Christian evangelics have almost no influence on America at large.

This is completely false - in fact, your statement is a total lie R27. Evangelicals exert MASSIVE and very determined political and social influence at the moment. One of them is Speaker of the United States House of Representatives right now and says everything he does in his life is dictated by the bible. He said that on camera and it was beamed out around the globe.

Then there's the MAGA Freedom caucus who are self professed Evangelical Christians and as we know they control Congress and Dump controls them and Evangelical church leaders are in Dump's ear all day long. All the anti-LGBT legislation around the US is sponsored and pushed by Evangelical and other christians - the stuff like don't say gay and book bannings and drag queens and religious freedoms in the medical field where they can refuse to treat gay people like in Florida and the list goes on and on and on.

I can't believe you posted such a ridiculous lie on Datalounge which is so blatantly untrue and so easily refutable R27. Why did you do it? So you could get in that comment about the far left? Who might be batshit crazy but are of no danger to gay people whatsoever - whereas Evangelical and other the christians (like Catholics et al) are coming for us and they've happily told anyone who will listen that they are coming for us and what they want to do to repeal all the progress we've made and push us back in the closet so we cower in terror.

Are you even gay R27? I'd really like to to know.

It really isn't R33.

They are all big liars and frauds. America is actually the most pagan country on earth, because it's stupid people believe in angels, leprechauns, demons, sprites, pixies, magic trees, you name it. Not one person in America believes the God of the Bible or could describe such an entity coherently.

[quote]While he did come around towards the end of his second term,

No, he didn't. He fully and publicly endorsed marriage equality during his reelection campaign, a risky position to take at the time.

[quote]Thank Bill Clinton and Obama. Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993

WTF did Obama have to do with that? He wasn't even in politics at that time, he was a professor at the University of Chicago Law School.

A lot of people posting in this thread are just full of shit aren't they R38.

[quote]Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993

Which passed the House on a unanimous vote and passed the Senate 97-3. It was going to pass with or without Clinton's signature, a veto would have been little more than a gesture.

The far Left and the Right are hellbent on destroying the country.

R35 is our resident antisemite.

R42 - is that seriously what you inferred from my two posts at R34 and R35?

Why are you here?

[quote] And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Matthew 6:5-15

[quote] Christian nationalists overlap in their policy goals with the familiar, Christian right activists of previous decades, which means they often support policies that have long been mainstays of the Republican Party’s social agenda — restricting abortion access, adding more religion to public schools in various forms, banning federal support for gender-affirming health. But public statements from Christian nationalists, conversations with them, and their behavior when in power suggests less that they’re after a specific list of Christian-influenced policy items — instead, it is a broader approach to public life: one focused on obtaining power and using it to both instruct and shape the behavior of American society in accordance with specific, hardline interpretations of Christianity on which they believe the country was founded.

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[quote] What Christian nationalism offers instead is an approach to enacting that same old Christian-right social conservatism that’s rooted in a more muscular, aggressive approach to the use of federal power. If a previous generation of the Christian right would have preferred their children to be home-schooled; the Christian nationalists may want to see government-funded chaplains in schools.

[quote] At its core is a deeply held, manichean belief that there’s no such thing as a neutral, secular public square — only competing religions that shape public morality — and that America cannot last in its current social form.

Pope Francis does not want a Christian nationalist state.

The Catholic Church supports immigration, freedom of religion, and gun control and opposes racism and poverty.

In many ways Catholic teachings are the exact opposite of the Christian nationalism movement.

Broken clock, I guess...

[quote] How many people go to church weekly?

[quote] Surveys say it's about 1 in 5 Americans.

[quote] Cell phone tracker data say it's actually closer to 1 in 20 Americans.

[quote]R43: [R42] - is that seriously what you inferred from my two posts at [R34] and [R35]?

R42 is M. Anscher. He's always inferring antisemitism. Disregard him.

[quote]R46: The Catholic Church supports immigration, freedom of religion, and gun control and opposes racism and poverty.

Sometimes.

[quote]In many ways Catholic teachings are the exact opposite of the Christian nationalism movement.

Depends which aggregate of Catholic scholars/writings one appeals to.

[quote]Pope Francis does not want a Christian nationalist state.

And John XXIII and Paul VI didn't want war in Vietnam, but Cardinal Spellman and the Catholic Church in America had other ideas. 'You can't always get what you want.' Not even if you're the Pope.

[quote] If you glory run political mess then you don't know the word of God

^ "glory in political mess..."

“You can wipe your leaky ass with it!”

Would people stop linking to fucking Twitter? Why the hell would anyone support Elon Musk and a bunch of Qanon conspiracists? It's a cesspit.