Fargo Season 5

Lukas Gage is in it

Thanks. The best show in a long time. Even though I didn't love the fourth season as much as I did the first three. But was still very good.

Jon Hamm is a real prick and Joe Keery (Stranger Things) plays his son.

Bare ass shot of Hamm, he's gotten a little chunky

[quote]The first 3 episodes are on Hulu now

Only the first two, it's weekly releases from next week onwards.

I got tired of Juno in Ted Lasso but I like her character in this

Hamm is playing super broad but it's amusing for now. I'm digging his pieced nipples. Reminds me of Gov Cuomo.

I barely recognized Joe Keery. He's sexy!

R6, haven’t watched Fargo yet, but I had to fast forward through her scenes in the last season of Lasso.

r8 He is - that buzz cut really suits him!

I wonder if the daughter is actually Hamm's character's and she was pregnant when she met her husband?

R11 Hamm's character's what? Hamm's daughter? Mother would have had to complete remake her identity and seduce her current husband AND married him, with any nec. prenups - because he is rich, all the while keeping a pregnancy hidden for months. M'kay.

I know r12, but after the MIL said her son married her because she was knocked up it made me wonder

Well I'm not saying the writers wouldn't pull this shit, improbable as it is in reality based narratives. Anyway keep on your toes and post more guesses and insights. That the husband chose to stay in his booby trapped house means verisimilitude is that important.

verisimilitude is NOT that important.

I'm 15 minutes, and it is already so ridiculous and clichéd I can barely keep going. JJL, whom I adore, is just abhorrent. The writing is so called-in I wonder if it is bad AI. The accents are so phony you can smell the dialect coach on them...I haven't even seen the Hammaconda yet. What a joke.

Juno has that"what the fuck am I doing in this piece of shit" acting going on.

It's imbalanced with too much so called black comedy.

What’s with this sudden burst of ass baring from Jon Hamm?

[quote]What’s with this sudden burst of ass baring from Jon Hamm?

You fuckers have been begging for it for years. NOW you complain?

This season is quite cartoonish

I hate when they exaggerate the accent. You can tell they’re paying homage to the original, but I don’t think even that, if made today, would exaggerate the accent. I’m not really buying what JJL is playing, either. At some points she made me think she was a high school player.

This is even worse than last season. And do we really need to see Jon Hamm’s fat ass again?

Why does JJL have a mid Atlantic accent from the 1920s? Minnesota too hard?

Joe Keery looks like a hot, dumb NFL quarterback with that haircut.

Here for it.

R24 I think she used something similar in 'The Hudsucker Proxy' (?) - couldn't stand it. Not sure what she's aiming for - 1930s high-society or Barbara Stanwyck tough broad?

Juno's character is kinda similar to Kirsten Dunst's character from season two. Ans her gullible, innocent, cluless husband is similar to a quite a few characters from previous seasons.

R23 Yes! I'm here for his fat ass. Keep on showing it, baby!

Maybe Joe Keery will get in on the action, too.

R11 I thought that, too. They said Dot ran away from Jon Hamm ten years ago and the kid is 9 and a half, so it is possible she got pregnant then left him.

The husband would claim Scotty as his own even if she wasn't biologically his. His mother, however, would probably disown her. I'm sure he thinks scotty is his, though.

I can't get past the accents. Too over the top.

How is the show getting 95 on rotten tomatoes???? Are our standards that low now since the strike is over.

When is the next episode?

Oh I liked JJL, when she asked the kid if a ninja was some kind of a cat...Her accent is ridiculous though but I think it's supposed to be trans atlantic like someone saidd. Trying to sound rich and posh. I was sad hot Devon Bostick came and went so quickly. I think it's really good so far. I loved when Juno put JJL in check and then went back to the Fargo housewife speak. I thought she was supposed to be Jon Hamm's wife who left him? Maybe a compound situation, like Warren Jeffs? And I love, love, love Dave Foley and am so glad he's working after being raped so bad in his Canadian divorce.

Dot was/is Jon Hamm’s wife. She left him, he’s mad, and is going to make her pay. Try to, anyway…

I don’t think she’s Gator’s mom. She’s like 35 and he’s probably late 20’s on the show.

Yeah R34, that's what I think too. And some crazy compound Waco-ish life, hence her being so good at booby traps and getaways.

Why is the season 4 thread closed with barely any replies? I am finishing that now and I am astounded that the sister and her moll would give them that pukey and shitty money knowing who he is giving it too. Wtf?

I tried really hard to get into season four. I just couldn’t. The best season so far have been 1 and 2.

(R36) Because there is hardly any new shows on right now. The writers and actors strike took up a lot of the year.

Oh okay, thanks R38. Yeah I never watched season 4 till now but season one is just perfect. I don't think I was too into 2 or 3. It's hard to beat Billy Bob and Martin Freeman. I just rewatched one so maybe I'll do 2 and 3 next. Season 4 isn't awful, it's just not as good as one.

I haven’t seen any of the seasons, but I’m going to watch them all soon. I like this season so far. It’s goofy, but kind of funny.

Which season has Patrick Wilson? I’ll start with that one.

R41 Season 2.

Both season 1 and 2 are terrific. The season with Ewan McG Is when it started to suck.

Agreed, R43, although I enjoyed ("enjoyed"?) David Thewlis as the baddie. S4 was awful; Chris Rock was badly miscast, and they wasted having Ben Whishaw around. I thought S1 took a couple of episodes to find its stride (and for Martin Freeman to relax into his accent), but it gelled in the end. S2 has the glorious Jean Smart playing waaaay against type and knocking it out of the park.

I don't think Rock is as bad as everyone says, but I love him and love "Everybody hates Chris", it's my comfort show, great music from the 80s. What I dislike about season 4 is the whole, I don't know what to call it, virtue signaling maybe? That the black criminals are somehow better than the Italians and that they deserve everything they take because of how oppressed they were. But the Irish and the Italians and the Jews were also oppressed so that doesn't scan. Also, if you're virtuous, you wouldn't be a fucking criminal. I also don't like that creep nurse and her accent is intensely grating.

Yeah, Jessie Buckley's characterization was in a completely different show. Let's blame the director!

Fargo is very much like American horror story. It starts out really good and then it turns to shit. I agree season three is when everything started to go downhill.

I agree that season 3 was a big downturn, but then season 2 is one of the greatest TV shows I've ever seen, so that was a very high bar to reach again.

R47 What a terrible comparison. AHS was trashy shitshow from the start. Fargo was brilliant. AHS is still garbage, I assume. And on their 20th season. Fargo, although maybe wasn't as good in season 3 and 4 for some people at least, was still the best thing on tv. AHS drops new season every year, there are big pauses between the seasons of Fargo.

(R49) Sorry, I disagree. Murder House and Asylum were outstanding. Fargo is not the best thing on t.v.

I still rewatch Murder House every year. It's a comfort show. Has anyone watched the new Fargo yet?

JLL’s accent seemed to have settled in a bit this episode. It’s still ridiculous, but at least she wasn’t as all over the place with it.

So the Sherrif is arming some kind of Bundy guy? And is a religious freak himself? How many wives does he have? I always thought sin eaters sounded cool that was neat to see for about 40 seconds and then became too much. I like the cop on crutches. What else has he been in?

Yeah I thought the sin eater thing was interesting too. It's kind of fucked up that she switched the signs, now someone else will have those freaks breaking in.

I love this season so far. But I want Jon Hamm in me so deep I weep.

Juno Temple is really good in this so far.

[quote]I like the cop on crutches. What else has he been in?

He played Winston in New Girl.

Thank you

Thick old Hamm is sexy again. He had lost his appeal, at least to me, for 10 years.

Donna Fargo

Fucker Face I Love You

Fucker Face I Need You

Agreed r59.

(R59) Mr. box office poison is trying so hard to stay irrelevant.

R62 Taking a part in Fargo is trying so hard to stay relevant? You are right, he shouldn't take any parts, je should Starve to death, just so you don't heve to look at him ever again

Hamm has been amusing in Good Omens but in Fargo I find him sexy again. Here's where Bitchy Debbie Downer at R62 reminds us that Hamm was a college bully who beat a boy to a pulp.

(R64) Don’t worry he has gotten a free pass on that. I’m glad someone needs the bloated drunk sexy again. Maybe you can see some of his movies that no one else has. Start with Confess Fletch.

“Snickers…for breakfast? Are we on welfare?”

Loved that lined. What a bitch JJL is in this.

Yeah, but I’m not really buying JJL in this role R66. She’s not doing it for me.

Agree, but maybe it’ll all come together in the end. I think she’s going to die, though.

Jeez, JJL just gets worse and worse!

It's like Home Alone. Also, she wouldn't tell her husband and daughter not to touch window cause it is wired and they could die?

I like Dave Foley as the henchman. I hope they show how he lost his eye. It would also be hilarious if it was just an affectation.

R70 she told them.

The husband was kinda special to begin with, now he’s specialer.

R72 Then why did he try to open an electrified window?

He wasn't thinking about it at the time. Too busy trying to escape.

It's honestly the same bonehead type of move I'd make in that situation. Told not to touch the electric window, forgets, does anyway.

That's what I thought too, R75. Is the big reveal going to be that John Hamm is pedophiling bigamist? I'm getting vibes

Since when does Calgary's impressive skyline seem like a plausible stand in for Fargo?

I liked this episode. 2 more left.

The tiger’s about to eat a gator and fuck Roy up!

I bet that weird assassin helps Dot. Or at least he doesn’t kill her.

Good episode. I hope the cop's husband gets caught in the crossfire

The "I want a wife" screed was way over the top.

R81 I agree. It also went on way longer than necessary.

It was exaggerated on purpose but I'm not sure the purpose. The episode really pushed the battered and mistreated women theme. But with a sledgehammer heavy hand. We get it!

Last night's episode was GREAT!

Definitely. The sin eater guy is coming for gator. And Dot and Linda are going to get Roy. No way Roy or gator get out alive.

Waaay better season than 3 or 4.

I loved season 3. Liked season 4. How did that guy murder a kid with an axe in broad daylight, dragged him back into the house without anyone noticing?

And how did Sin Eater know to set up the decoy in the window?

r85 I thought she dreamed up the "Linda" part it wasn't reality

That puppetry sequence was INSPIRED.

R88 yeah, I wasn’t sure if it really happened or if it was all a daydream while Dot was in the diner. I like to think it was real. It’s more plausible that it wasn’t, the real Linda was probably long gone, but I liked the idea of dot getting some closure with her. And then they both kill Roy.

I think it was a dream/memory too...but that accident that landed her in the hospital is real.

Amazing how this role fits Jon Hamm like a pair of gloves!

The Linda sequence was quite obviously a dream. It was a really good episode. It’s been a great season of cat and mouse.

If this doesn't have a happy ending for Dot and her family, I'll freak out.

Love the clever nods to the original film!

Is it possible Big Daddy Jon Hamm will be fed into a wood chipper?

All this gum flapping and no screen caps of Hamm's cakes? You disappoint, DL.

r95 Why bother with pudgy Grandpa Hamm when you have Joe Keery right there looking so hot in a wife-beater in this episode?

When Keery shows ass, I’ll care. Good for Jon. Show off them perfectly acceptable buns!

Just got caught up on the season (so far.)

I'm sure there are sharper folks on here who got this right away, but the allusions to the Wizard of Oz *just* clicked for me... the original book is now widely seen as an early feminist fable. It was also themed around economic reforms, the shackles of debt on ordinary Americans and debate around the Gold standard.

Then, there's Nadine choosing a new name of Dorothy (and then marrying a "Lyon") etc, her sweet, loyal daughter named Scottie (Toto was a Scottish Terrier), the setting of KANSAS City, her mother in law having a giant "NO" painting above her desk which... when looked at from another angle can be read as "OZ".... there are probably dozens of others.

Very clever stuff. But, I also like that you don't necessarily have to pick up on all of those clues and easter eggs to enjoy the show.

Why did John Hamm's character first beat up then killed that guy who beat his wife, when he is doing the same thing?

Jon Hamm's character didn't care if the guy was beating on his wife, he needed a dead body so that is how the guy came in handy

I started watching Season 5 and couldn't get into it. I switched to Season 1 and was blown away. There is no comparison with the acting. Season 1 is great.

r101 - absolutely no comparison. Here's my unsolicited ranking of the seasons (even though season 5 hasn't wrapped up yet)...

SEASON 1

SEASON 2

SEASON 3

SEASON 5

SEASON 4

That said, I think Season 5 has gotten strong as it progresses and even though season 4 was my least favorite, it had several fine episodes which made it a compelling watch

I’ve been rewatching S1 over the last couple of weeks. Some of the best tv ever. I kind of wish we’d see Molly again…

R100 bs, he smacked that guy in the restaurant before cause he saw bruises on his wife. And he advise him not to beat his wife. He shot him only because the guy pulled a gun on him.

Do I have odd taste or is the hapless husband (actor David Rysdahl) kinda hot?

R105 Zazie Beetz agrees with you. I do too. There’s something slyly sexy about him.

What?! I love that for both of them.

He has bdf

R107 - cute couple!

Is the battered women camp a hallucination?

Oh sorry for my question, I'm reading backwards. Now see others have discussed the dream episode.

It definitely felt like a dream. Well done. I want her to strangle Jon Hamm slowly

Wait but the hospital isnt a dream, right? She's pretty well fucked now unless JJL and Dave Foley and her trans atlantic accent come in. Oh and the cop.

She comes out of the dream/memory while still in the diner, looking at that waffle with the whipped cream face. The accident in the parking lot and the hospital is real Jon Hamm advancing on her "Gotcha!" is real.

Okay well knowing what we know now, I have to say, macing that guy at the school board meeting was pretty fucking dumb! I'm over 40 and have never had the occasion to mace someone. Why did she do that? She had to know she'd be arrested and all this would transpire. Damn.

The woman cop is for sure going to help Dot. She should accept JJL's job offer and then leave her husband.

I like the husband, I hope things turn out well for him.

Fuck Jon Hamm and Gator. Can't wait for them to get it!

Dot thinks Gator can be redeemed. Or maybe she was just saying something kind to his mother.

Gator is a dead man walking. He shouldn't have hit the old lady.

Yup, sin eater is going to make gator's head explode or something equally nasty. Gator has been marked since he didn't pay the man for trying to kill Dot and instead tried to kill him.

Dot won't be the one to kill gator.

I am interested how Dot squirms out of this predicament

I hope it isn't some sort of batman and robin scenario where the villain plans an elaborate imprisonment or death but also leaves a gaping escape route possibility.

Same. Dot will probably rip his throat out with her teeth as soon as he gets close enough. Like a tiger.

[quote]She comes out of the dream/memory while still in the diner, looking at that waffle with the whipped cream face. The accident in the parking lot and the hospital is real Jon Hamm advancing on her "Gotcha!" is real.

This presumes the diner even exists. I'm not a 100% sure that the diner wasn't part of the dream as well. Meaning that, as was the case at the start of the episode, she simply kept dozing off at the wheel and ended up having a collision with a truck which in her in-and-out dream state she imagined as an accident outside the diner.

Based on the trailer it's a pass for me.

The show is trying to hard to be HIP.

Fargo writers explain episode 7....

Hamm is doing a great job in this role!

Yes Hamm is scary and his wife is not innocent either, she knew after the failed debate that her husband was in the beating mood so she sicced him on Dot.

Great episode. Really enjoying this.

How many left?

1 ?

No, two more, “The Useless Hand”’ and “Bisquik”. I’ve loved all of the seasons, but this one is great.

r127 - true, but also a classic defense mechanism of an abuse victim (which she, no doubt, is as well.) I kind of figured Danish was done for when he chose not to take the boss lady's call when arriving at the Sherriff's ranch. He probably did so because he didn't know that she'd experienced a sudden change of heart about saving Dot after seeing the police photos of her badly bruised body and figured he had a better shot of saving Dot.

By the way, I love the way this show still balances incredibly heavy subject matters with sometimes macabre humor. I mean, a man named DANISH GRAVES being buried beneath a windmill? Ha!

I've been watching this weekly to avoid spoilers but I am jealous of those who are waiting so they can binge it.

I'm one of the "waiters" and it's killing me. I assume this thread is full of spoilers, but since I have no idea what you are talking about, I remain blissfully unspoiled.

The cover of Spears' "Toxic" is fabulous in Ep 8.

R132 could have used a spoiler, damn!

R136. Why are you reading this thread which is basically recapping each episode if you have NOT watched the series and don't want spoilers?

R132 is Denmark traditionally known for Windmills?

I think r132 is thinking of the Dutch. I don’t think that was the intent, but Dutch is a very common midwestern nickname. Danish is a clever twist on that.

[quote] I don’t think that was the intent,

Link?

I feel like in today's Trumpian Times that even punching a reporter in the face isn't enough to derail an election. And I love that he's just a sheriff. It confirms my fears that there are thousands of these assholes playing tinhorn dictator all over America and sucking tanks out of the government's teats while they plot to overthrow it

It's been a LONG time since I've loathed a TV character as much as Roy Tillman. (So, well done, Jon Hamm!) I hope the mention of the tank was foreshadowing, and he is gruesomely run over by it. Twice -- backwards and forwards. And I'm guessing we only have one more episode with Gator, a manchild too stupid to live.

How many bodies have been tossed into that well over the years?

R141 only 1 episode left so - Great Guess! 🙄

Two episodes left, I believe, making an even 10.

Oh thanks. Someone mentioned 9 up thread.

Do you think his ex wife escaped and he found her and murder her or she never escaped at all?

R146 - I think Linda never escaped at all. I think he killed her and she was buried in the same spot that Danish was buried. I think, maybe, somewhere in her subconscious, Dot has always known that, but she was a child herself when she first entered the Sheriff's orbit, so she probably believed that Linda really had escaped and was off living somewhere else.

Do we think Noah Hawley is a Simpsons fan?

Their music selections are DOPE!!

I felt bad for Roy's wife Karen last week when he slapped her, now I fucking hate her! I'm so sad to see Foley go. I hope JJL goes scorched earth on Tillman.

The show is kind of all over the place, but I kind of like it. It's a little of the Fargo movie, a little of Sleeping With the Enemy, a little of La Femme Nikita, and a little of No Country for Old Men.

One thing I can't help noticing is John Hamm's striking resemblance to Matt Bomer. He and Matt should play father and son in a TV show or movie.

Does anyone know who the characters are and the real story it's based on.

I haven't tried doing a Google search because I don't want to read any spoilers. Surely the real-life "Roy Tillman" gets his comeuppance.

[quote] Does anyone know who the characters are and the real story it's based on.

It's not based on a true story. The movie Fargo and all the seasons of the show all say that in the beginning. It's a joke.

R153 - I was ready to bless R152's heart, but I think he might be referring to the fact that although every Fargo season is, of course, fictional, they sometimes take "inspiration" from real life stories or historical figures. Or perhaps I'm being too generous.

Noah Hawley is on record saying that he sees every character in the 5th season as Republican -- from the insurrectionist/Trump wing with Jon Hamm's character, to the more traditional country club set with Jennifer Jason Leigh's corporate debt queen to even Juno Temple and her hubby being the nice, traditional, well-meaning Republican neighbors.

Some fans have also pointed out some striking allusions to the Wizard of Oz which is now seen as one of the earliest true feminist novels as well as a cautionary tale about the Gold vs. Silver standard debate and the crushing societal impact of debt.

Silver Standard? When and where was that? 16th century Peru?

See the "monetary policy" section here, R155

[quote] The episode really pushed the battered and mistreated women theme.

It’s all about Dobbs. Women being lied to (“its settled law”), tricked, hunted (we’ll arrest you and anyone who helps you), and forcing raped and brutalized woman to give birth to their rapist’s baby. Men in a huge swath of this country now legally control women’s freedom and bodies.

Happy to see Jon Hamm pick up a SAG Award nomination for this!

When Jennifer Jason Leigh's character said she would have to call on the "orange idiot" because she paid for him, I assume it was a jab at tRump

The use of the song YMCA was very fitting

[R152] I think this every time I see Bomer in Fellow travelers. Thank you for validating my opinion,

And now they are both nominated in the same SAG category. Most handsome category.

I plan to borrow JJL's line about "not going down on the one yard line!" I loved that!

This was very lame episode. Like something out of a stupid action movie. How did Dot knew that Danish came there to save her? How did she even knew that the body they threw in that hole was his? It was so far away and it was nighttime. And how did Munch knew she was down in the je hole? Plus, him entering the property with a blind hostage, while there are FBI agents all around on one side and militia rednecks on the other. Him appearing out of the fog just as Roy was existing that building and disappearing into the fog again, was something straight out of Rambo

R163 - I’d add - the whole military standoff is a bit confusing.

I still really liked it, though I was confused about what happened at the windmill. First we see the Trooper and the agents there, and the Trooper picks up her gun. Then the lid is pushed aside and what appears to be Hamm's assistant is pointing a gun at her, who then suddenly gets shot by Munch. What happened to the Trooper and the FBI agents?

Messy messy episode. Also dot has too many miraculous escapes. I did enjoy the dream episode. I think this series is, in fact, slight short on plot points that MATTER. Still I enjoy lots of it and some of the acting.

Will we see Lucas Gage one more time?

Is gator just out there freezing to death? Or is he coming back to kill his father? Redemption arc?

Did you know Jason Schwartzman is the Narrator?

R165 Trooper and the agents weren't at the windmill

The "trooper" is Hawk's man. Not the FBI. He does arrive with two other guys. We have to assume Munch killed all three, but how? Remember he may be a magical realism character and be 500 years old.

[quote] How did she even knew that the body they threw in that hole was his?

She saw his eyepatch.

Why does Munch speak with an RP English accent in 1500s Wales? Wouldn’t his accent be….wait for it…. welsh? And why does he now speak with an unidentifiable accent/mode of speech?

Too much supernatural shit. I didn’t like series 1 because of the supernatural nature of Malvo. I think magic is a cop out. Much harder to write real life problems about the real world we live in. Magic is a “get out of reality jail free” card.

I liked season 2 because it kept the supernatural down to an appearance of a UFO and Ted Danson’s UFO/alien den in his house. (I think the first UFO in season 2 - the one Dunst sees in front of the diner - was a mylar balloon reflecting a streetlight/headlights in the snow. The sheriff’s daughter Molly finds the balloon. The second ufo? Who knows).

The UFO angle was quirky and something you’d expect to hear from 1970s midwestern nimrods “I seen a ufo!” “Me too!” “They’re real!”

But this is just silly. Magical sin eaters talking in riddles, a supernatural escapee, the son of a billionaire being as magically and optimistically dim witted as Wayne…and the fact that what looks like a fairly new build house that Wayne and Dot live in has the same first floor plan as the1996 Fargo house that Jerry Lundegaard lived in. And can Dorothy comb her hair, please? I get she’s Dot *Lyon*, so maybe her hair is supposed to be a “mane” but come on. Juno Temple is not attractive and the hair worsens everything “aboot” her, eh hun?

The accents are waaaaay. Pile that atop the magic….and the fact Wayne and Dot have no friends and the billionaire MIL has always been suspicious of Dot but never managed to find anything but a birth certificate…come on. It’s the upper Midwest, they know how to investigate Mormons. MIL couldn’t snatched some DNA from Dot and put it on an ancestry website to find family?

Danish Graves claims he’s got ex-CIA investigators on his payroll.

I get that Dot wants to marry an underachiever ….she’s on the run. She’s being hunted. She doesn’t want to marry someone who’s going to run for office or set the world on fire. But he has to be not only supernaturally good natured and dimwitted, but his mother is a high flying, politically connected billionaire who can order a federal strike on a ranch?

Oy….oh well.

^^thinks Santa isn’t really either

Someone really does not like season 5.

It doesn’t help that if you watch it On Demand you have to sit through incredibly violent, repetitive commercials interspersed with ads for Disney World and that Welcome Back Kotter show.

Getting serious aspie vibes from R163

R173 Okay

Wish there was more of the alcoholic father and his random ramblings

When JJL said she was getting on the phone to "the orange one" I died. So good.

R176 Better still, the actual line was: "Tell Jerome to call the Orange Idiot"

The only thing less realistic than the magical realism is that Jon Hamm's character would have a black right hand man, especially in North Dakota.

Well, the series had a promising start, but it's devolving into a big muddled mess now with plot holes you could drive one of John Hamm's tanks through.

At least we got a glimpse of the hot body of the cop's stupid golfer husband.

the alcoholic father??

I think he's the father of the newest bride, who asked if he's Hitler in the bunker or Nuremburg

And I cheered when Dot smacked her with a rifle after giving her a chance to leave with her

There's no way a bunch of FBI agents about descend on a compound would let a limping local cop join them on the attack.

So Dot jumps in a hole to hide, gets rescued by the weird dude, then leaves the whole and walks back to the compound?

Sure. Makes sense.

It could happen...

[quote] How did Dot knew that Danish came there to save her?

IKR? The last time she saw Danish he sic’d 2 burly guys on her and was escorting her to a mental ward, bound to a stretcher. The last thing he said to her was, “Dot, no”

Why would she think he came there to save her?

How did Don Draper find her in the hospital? It took them a week to identify her, the nurse said. The FBI was looking for her. Why did the hospital identify her as Nadine and not as Dot? Maybe I missed something. But she definitely saw Danish’s eyepatch in the metal drum, or whatever it’s called. (But it was empty when she climbed out of it when Kilted Plaid Housecoat Sin Eater freed her)

Is there anyone who heard the name “Danish Graves” when the character was first introduced who didn’t think, “Ok, that one’s a goner.”

I’m assuming Danish turned on the MAGAs because Junior tried to kill him, and was also responsible for the old lady dying. And maybe he also came to realize Dot had been abused by Roy?

r188 Danish was the Dave Foley character with an eyepatch. Are you thinking of the sin eater character?

Oh yeah. Sin eater. Whatever. This show has too much going on.

It sure is foggy for such a cold place at that ranch. And that ranch …wtf? It’s decrepit. He’s got all this money and power and he lives in such a dump? The bedroom is a tiny attic. The kitchen was a galley. A guy like Roy would be a narcissist. He’s using taxpayer money to fund militias. You think he’d have a better funded ranch and home. Not much of a criminal empire there.

And that’s a pretty small abattoir for a cattle ranch.

I wonder why they used YMCA instead of Macho Man? Macho Man is one of Trump’s favorite rally songs.

The references to the FBI not returning calls - a dig at 9/11, when people were calling the FBI and reporting Middle eastern men paying cash to take flying lessons without wanting to learn how to take off and land? The FBI paid no attention.

I don’t think it’s same coat but Kilt Clad Sin Eater is wearing a coat that reminds me of Peggy Blumquist’s coat in season 2

Also Dot’s daughter wears multicolored striped shirts a lot like Peggy Blumquist. I thought the shirts might be rainbow-inspired because of the whole Dorothy/Wizard of Oz theme this season, plus the daughter is going against gender type by wearing a suit and tie, playing soccer, playing drums. So I figured it was a gay/trans reference.

Maybe the costume designer just likes plaid coats and 1970s striped shirts

Was the 3rd wife literally sleeping on dirty sheets from Dot? Yikes

“Scotty” is the daughter of Dot and Wayne and is also the name of Jerry Lundergaard’s son in the movie Fargo. He was the saddest character in that movie. He literally lost everyone in his life.

Oh look - someone does like plaid coats with fur collars on that show - here’s Dot wearing one

Am I remembering things wrong? Didn’t Gator (Joe Keery) have a buzz cut? He had floppy hair when the Sin Eater was torturing him.

Nevermind..I guess it was just slicked back on the top.

It's striking to me how much Juno temple looks like a cross between Amy Ryan and Elizabeth Olsen (though she's not as pretty as the latter).

Um, y'all do realize this is Fargo, right? Not a docudrama. I mean --- SPOILER -- the second season featured UFOs. You either go with it or you don't, but expecting this to be a regular procedural is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

[quote] At least we got a glimpse of the hot body of the cop's stupid golfer husband.

That character is played by Lukas Gage, who played the sexy hotel employee Murray Bartlett's character rims in "The White Lotus."

Fake Nipple rings? Who knew.

This show has a bizarre sense of geography. In the first episode, Dot walks all the way from the gas station in Stark County, ND in the middle of the night all the way back to her home Scandia, MN. That's 3/4 of the way across the entire state of North Dakota and then almost completely across the state of Minnesota (Scandia is near its Wisconsin border). That's a nine or ten hour drive--I can't imagine how long it would take to walk that far barefoot.

I did not recognize Joe Keery (from "Stranger Things") as Gator. I never found him hot on ST with that greasy pompadour, but he looks great in this show with the short cut.

[quote] It's striking to me how much Juno temple looks like a cross between Amy Ryan and Elizabeth Olsen

She is made to look like Burt Lahr, the cowardly lion in Wizard of Oz.

We saw Halloween but never saw Christmas.

[quote] Um, y'all do realize this is Fargo, right? Not a docudrama. I mean --- SPOILER -- the second season featured UFOs.

Um, y’all do realize the UFO in season 2 was already discussed in this thread, eh hun?

Oh, excuse my brainshart. They do take the Christmas photo. But way ahead of time.

How many weeks does this narrative cover, anyway?

Indira says to Dorothy something like “You’ve had a helluva week,” when Dorothy brings Scotty to indira’s house. So she’s been in a school board fight, arrested, kidnapped, lived through the gas station siege, found her way home, booby trapped her house, was attacked on Halloween, escaped a flaming house, was taken to a mental ward, escaped, switched her husband’s hospital room sign, made her way to MIL’s house, took Scotty from there and brought her to Indira’s house all within a week. And got a Kia from her husband’s lot somewhere along the way (I must’ve missed when she did that).

Then she drove, went to a truck stop, had the best pancakes in the state, had a puppet dream, was hit by a car/truck and was in a hospital for a week before she was identified. Then Roy got her and took her to the ranch. Roy had a debate where he was humiliated by Danish and three imposters. Then Dorothy saw Danish get killed and dumped. She escaped into Roy’s house, called Wayne, hit Roy’s wife with a rifle butt, escaped down a hidden hatch, turned on the gas stovetop, ran out of the house with the rifle (dressed like Roy’s wife), and called Indira who was with the MIL.

The MIL talked to her on the phone and called the feds. Indira told her to hide. She hid in the well. Roy’s men found her but they got shot by Sin Eater. Sin Eater gave Dorothy back the rifle she dropped and Roy called in the militia. The feds showed up and….to be continued.

So I’m thinkin …..2 weeks?

Thanks. So yeah, Gators hair didn't grow that long in 2 weeks.

The Minnesota accents are pretty awful--they're much too exaggerated, especially in Juno Temple's case (although at least they make clear that her character is affecting the Minnesota accent). And I grew up in Minnesota and never once heard someone refer to the bathroom/restroom/toilet as the "commode," as they repeatedly do on this show. It is accurate, though, that Minnesotans often call the entrance hall to a home the "vestibule."

I love that JJL is deliberately NOT using a Minnesotan accent (because in fact not everyone in Minnesota has them), and that her exaggerated upper-class accent is a callback to her character in "The Hudsucker Proxy."

I also grew up in northern Minnesota. “Commode” may be an outstate term, but I certainly heard it a lot. To my ear, the accents are spot on, and Hamm’s is particularly witty. And yes - not everyone had a thick accent, or even the same accent.

I like Hamm's because it's more of a Western twang, which fits in much more with where his character lives (Western North Dakota) than with Minnesota.

It’s amazing how uncold everyone is. Dot’s running around in pajamas and no shoes all night…she’s ok. She’s locked in an unheated shed - she’s fine. She breaks the window in the shed to get the attention of Danish while snow is blowing outside, letting even colder window into the shed . No problem. She’s not cold.

Gator’s walking around in short sleeves, no jacket.

I bet Dataloungers loved the scene where JJL called up the fat banker at the strip club and told him that because he wouldn't sell his bank to her she had utterly destroyed his life ("something even worse than death") and he just took it silently, as tears streamed down his cheeks.

It was something Alexis would have done on "Dynasty," except it was even more melodramatic. This show is just too much.

Are we really comparing the trash of Dynasty to Fargo?

R191 I think Trump uses "YMCA" at his rallies a lot, too.

YMCA was a dig at the macho MAGA militia. Plus, yeah, Dump has unironically used it.

R214 I thought the same thing, especially after Dot broke the window in the shed. Wouldn't she have succumbed to frostbite and/or hypothermia?

I was wondering what y'all were responding to, but I apparently have R214 blocked. I only block virulent racists and xenophobes. Admittedly, there's more than a handful of those on here.

I've given up on it. It means to be over the top, but it just goes too far beyond that.

Yeah sure, I’m a virulently racist homophobe, R220. I’ve been on DL since 1998. I probably disagreed with your opinion of a television show and that’s why you blocked me.

Or you’re 💩 👠 👠

Or both

R178 Why wouldn't he have a black right hand man? He's a libertarian, not a republican

By drunk dad I meant Wayne's father and Dot's father-in-law.

I don't remember that character at all.

After reading the comments on there, I think I’ll skip this season. I can’t stand Jon Hamm also.

It’s not horrible, R226. It’s been entertaining, at least.

If you don't like Hamm, it's not something to watch.

If you do like Hamm, it's one of his more convincing if weird performances.

I’m kind of surprised that Hamm is somewhat constrained in his performance, considering everyone else (except Dave Foley) is way over the top, or teetering on the edge of over the topness.

Finale tonight. I’m guessing Roy & Sin Eater get killed since Sin Eater made a remark last week about how men have a certain amount of words to use in their lives and “we have few left.”

Has anyone figured out why Sin Eater is wearing a woman’s plaid coat with fur collar?

The biscuit eating at the end was something. I will leave it at that until more people have watched the final episode.

Wayne was adorable in this episode. He’s cute!

What an epilogue to this episode/season. This show feels rejuvenated after the lackluster fourth season.

It's so indicative of American pop culture at this minute. Its message at the end is of forgiveness and reconciliation, and yet it sold itself on extreme acts of violence and vengeance.

Its message is “Be related to a billionaire (or take a job with a billionaire in Indira’s case) and your life problems will be solved. Money means everything.”

Without the billionaire MIL, no feds or state LEO would’ve descended on the ranch to rescue Dot. She’d be found and killed.

Without the billionaire, Indira would be trapped in a cycle of debt.

I loved it. Wish they hadn't killed the trooper tho

They certainly gave the trooper shirt shrift at his grave, putting down flowers and chit chatting.

Notice Dot talks about food a lot. I guess to show she’s a nurturer and to contrast her goodness with the badness of sin eating.

. But she is a nurturer who is saved by a pompous billionaire.

So she didn't go to his funeral or even asked if he had a widow?

The dude playing The Sin Eater, Sam Spruell, was phenomenal. I looked him up, and even though I’ve seen some of his IMDb credits, he’s never registered with me before this. GREAT actor.

And kind of ugly/hot/sexy.

I'm impressed that instead of taking the expected ending this episode threw us for a curveball. Who would have guessed the last 20 minutes would be Moonk at their house having a soda and making biscuits. Such an inspired ending to the season.

R241 And what a curveball it was. Those last twenty minutes had a lot of tension, heart and some truly laugh out loud moments.

When Wayne handed Oola Moonk (Ole Munch) the bottle or orange pop and then clinked it in a toast I about died.

That was great, r243.

The "punishment" meted out by Lorraine to the jailed Roy was PERFECT. Justice for everyone, including Danish Graves and Whit Farr.

Is it though r245? I think the message the show is sending is Lorraine being the debt collector that she is wants that. But when we look at Dot, she suffered the most but moved on with her life without thinking about Roy. Not trying to get some payback, just enjoying life and her biscuits.

LOVED the finale. And, yes, as y'all said, especially those final scenes with Dorothy and Munch. Interesting interview with Noah Hawley on the finale here...

uneven in quality over the episodes but entertaining and sometimes thoughtful. last episode is deep and yet also feel good which is a welcome surprise

Not gonna lie, beefy Roy Tillman spitting in the chapel had me a little turned on. I loved the scene with him and Lorraine in prison. I like how she made him her prison bitch. We need the Fargo After Dark series now following Beefy Roy in jail.

People are reading the inmates Lorraine is helping will be beating up Roy, but I bet there would be plenty of forced prison sex going on too.

Quick side question: Is there a character named Kenn or Kenny Jacobs connected with Gator? I went through the season 5 cast listing and couldn't find a character by that name.

R250

Absolutely there will be forced sex. And it’s not always going to be white dick involved. He has met his match and it was not Dot.

R250 - I think that was clear in her little speech when she said he’ll know how his wives felt with the beatings and rape.

I also loved the way JJL handed him the pack of cigarettes. Something the can TEMPORARILY use to ward off the prison attacks... until he's out of smokes!

I thought the cigarettes were for calming his battered self after attacks.

Dear pointless bitch at R252 : I have not had a chance to sit down and actually watch the episode yet, only a cursory viewing as background noise. As made clear in my post, most spoiler discussions I have read only referred to beatings, not fucking. So pardon me all to Hell for not quoting the line ver batim to your superior satisfaction!

🖕

They will beat him fuck him then take and enjoy his smokes

R254 - I think that was implied, too, yes.

I really liked this season. I hope Munch stays with Dot and co. Maybe they have a little apartment above their garage he can live in and they can cook breakfast food together. Why not.

The only thing I didn’t like was Whit getting killed. Boo. They could’ve had him injured, but not dead.

I hope Gator has a better time in prison than his dad does!

[quote] So she didn't go to his funeral or even asked if he had a widow?

Right? For a whole year, she didn’t think about poor old Witt, never bothered to go to his funeral or ask about his family. She just brought some cheap flowers and had her kid put them on the grave, then it was back to chatting about pancakes and chili.

Her husband is so stupid and clueless it’s like he was part of the whole supernatural aspect of the series. They couldn’t give him even one scene where he exhibited an iota of common sense or human intelligence.

R258 - I didn't "like" Whitt getting killed, but I get it. He took a risk... as Dot said to Munch in the kitchen... and the risk didn't pay off. Had Mrs. Lyon (the elder) been the one in that cave, she would have shot Tillman dead that second.

R255 - take a pill. I wasn’t correcting you or being a bitch.

Dot shot Tillman once …absolutely no reason why she couldn’t shoot him again and finish him off. As long as he was still talking, he was threat, so not shooting him again was stupefyingly dumb, especially right after he slit a man’s throat and started beating his wife. Dot was no tiger.

She was afraid the fbi or whoever would shoot her if she shot roy again. Safer for her to put the gun down.

Whit should’ve shot and killed Roy on sight. Whit was too nice.

Loved the Christian symbolism at the end. Brilliant flip side to Roy's dark twisted religion. Blood of Christ = the pop. Bread of Heaven = the biscuit. The Sin Eater washing his filthy hands. Fear replaced by love = redemption.

I agree, R264. And a lot of that scene depended on Juno Temple's facial expressions, which were beautifully done.

I’ve liked Juno Temple in everything I’ve ever seen her in (Starting back with DL fave, NOTES ON A SCANDAL), but this was her best work. She was excellent, albeit very thin.

Agreed, R266. Excellent performance from Juno.

R262

The young female tiger did her own killing. And we saw her do so. The older richer female tiger had a slew of other do her killing for her. She was never going to have the gun in her hands and she would never be the one going into any tunnel after Roy, she had people that would have done that.

Both tigers

Amazing how dozens of armed, trained FBI agents could completely miss a severely wounded John Hamm in a constant hail of gunfire as he ran to his underground tunnel.

And there's no way a small town cop would go by himself into an underground tunnel to try and capture one of America's most wanted when he had dozens of armed FBI agents around him.

And did anyone else notice that when the son escaped from the tunnel, he moved back the cover, but didn't put it back, and when John Hamm escaped from it, the cover was back on? Sloppy editing.

I liked the ending, though.

I noticed the tunnel top detail. I wondered if maybe there were several exits.

Also there is no way their house survived that fire to be renovated.

R271 I forgot about the house! You're right. That place was completely destroyed.

So we complain that a series that features a sin eater that lives forever is not all that realistic because of a manhole cover not seen being replaced ( which could have been replaced by the police) and a house fire.

R273 The series frequently shifted tone from reality to fantasy.

The fantasy sequences were well done. The ones grounded in reality...not so much, especially in the final episode.

I’ll suspend my disbelief and say Wayne’s extremely rich mom paid workers triple overtime to fix her son’s house so they could move back in.

She’s really a softy underneath the bitchy exterior.

[QUOTE] Whit should’ve shot and killed Roy on sight. Whit was too nice.

In real life, Whit would’ve had three bullets in Roy before the knife could reach him. But it’s Hollywood. Roy had to live so the writers could feed us everything that followed.

The tunnel? The police knew someone had just used the tunnel. Roy did not. The police would have moved the cover back in place to not alert Roy that things were not quite as he expected. Roy was expecting to see a cover in place.

Aww I have to say, the sin eater eating love instead of sin was cute. And Tillman might have had an okay prison experience, had he not fucked with Dave Foley. He's gonna do some hard time now.

R275 Wasn't the whole thing supposed to have taken place over just a few weeks, though?

How could the house have been rebuilt from the bolts that quickly?

[quote]Wasn't the whole thing supposed to have taken place over just a few weeks, though?

The end scenes were one year later.

One year for Roy to get comfortable and claim his rightful place of influence and power. He walked into that visiting room a very proud confident man with visions of an even better future to come..

R280 But when Dot comes home to her family, they're standing in front of her house, and it's perfectly restored even then.

Rich and powerful people get things done…fast

Would Indira be allowed to stand in the corner in the prison's visiting room? And would guard allow Roy to take the cigarettes off the table?

Hope this was the last season. I don't want this series to sink even further down. Quite bad compared to the brilliance of the first two seasons.

Whatever it's flaws, it's still better than 90% of the stuff on TV.

R284 are you kidding? I've no doubt she owns everyone at the prison and maybe the prison too. Roy shouldn't have fucking killed her best friend and employee, Dave Foley.

She also mentioned how she funds the prison and prisoners. It was totally a power move on her part to show him what a small man he actually is.

He looked hot, though. I like beefy Hamm

Hamm is starting to show his many years of heavy drinking.

I mean, she was starting to come around to Dot, but had he not fucked with Danish, he probably would have just rotted in prison, unnnoticed.

R285 No, the worst season was the Chris Rock season. I gave up on that one halfway through.

I went back to that R292, finish it, it wasn't as bad as you think.

Vaseline And Vienna Sausages is my new band name.

Whit Farr not shooting Roy was a demonstration of The Law at its best. Farr is the good trooper giving the suspect a chance to drop his weapon. Had it been the reverse, Roy would have shot Farr in the back. The risk of playing by the rules, trusting in The Law, is that the rest of the world are cheaters. I think Noah Hawley is genius. To come up with the idea of piggybacking the FARGO movie and creating more stories in its zany Coen world is very clever.

There is padding and thick clothing giving Hamm that bulk. He shot Good Omen's last season just recently and he's not that bulky looking. Yes the face is wrecked by years of sloth.

[QUOTE] Whit Farr not shooting Roy was a demonstration of The Law at its best.

More like the law at its most naive. The ultimate goal of any lawman is to go home and sleep in your bed at night, R295. Witt failed and paid the ultimate price. He shouldn’t have let his guard down against a murderous assailant threatening him with a deadly weapon. Roy should’ve been the one carted off Tillman Ranch lifeless, not our deputy. But like I said before, it’s Hollywood. Events happened that way because the writers wanted a more dramatic and memorable conclusion for their big bad villain.

R292 Nah. This was the worst season. Very cartoonish

And what was the first thing Roy did when he got to the ladder? Before climbing he looked up at the cover. He wanted to know it was safe to climb out.

Dot did not freeze as far as shooting Roy dead. She was savoring the kill. The army came just as she started to squeeze.

The incompetence was an armed well trained officer with his pistol out letting a wounded man standing in front of with a knife get the better of him. That was not good police work.

Say that again after Trump's been in for three or four more years, R298.

I thought it was savage satire of where America is at, with the redemptive ending reminding us that Christ was, after all, what the deplorables would call a Liberal.

Plus Roy spitting in the chapel, R300, was a commentary on how so-called Christians behave and really feel about sanctity. How they hide behind their piousness but spit in churches when no one is looking.

The ending at Dots house was like a flashback to Mass as a kid.

Eat of this flesh, drink of this blood, and forgiveness of our sins.

Yes it was a home baked muffin but not totally unlike a host, it was orange soda not totally unlike wine, , and at the end Dot led the Sin Eater back to god and a life of forgiveness——no matter your previous sins you can be forgiven and goon to lead a good life..

Roy never repented and thus ends up in torment for the rest of his time.

R302 Yes, a not-so-thinly veiled homage to Christianity there.

I did like that the blood of Christ was orange soda, though.

Not soda: pop. Cuz Christ is all of our Daddy!

R300 "Say that again after Trump's been in for three or four more years"

Huh? What does that has to do with Fargo?

Bless your heart, R305

The series had its moments (but the finale didn’t have any moments for me). But I won’t be rewatching g it, like I rewatched series 2.

I am curious about season 4 because I read that Salvatore Esposito is in it. Esposito is one of the stars of Gomorrah, the greatest Italian tv series of all time.

R308 Season 4 was one of the worst.

I agree that season 4 is the weakest of the five, but it's still very good TV. There are very fine actors (other than Chris Rock's stiff performance), some intriguing links to another season (which I won't spoil) and I think the series benefited from a change in scenery.

Two amazing endings to two shows of late: This and The Curse.

The last twenty minutes just blew me away.

Really R311? You liked the ending of the curse? I thought it was ridiculous and nebulous.

No spoilers for The Curse in the Fargo thread, girls. Some of us haven't even started that one yet.

R313 Then don't go to The Curse thread.

Without giving anything away, I'll just say the final episode of The Curse was unlike anything I've ever seen or expected to see.

Yes, obviously, R314. I was just respectfully requesting no spoilers for another show in this thread... just in case a subsequent post gets more detailed.

I will say, your posts got me intrigued... will check it out!

R308 Don't listen to the people here. Season 4 was great. Not as good as the first three seasons, but still great. Better than this watered down cartoonish season.

I liked it too R316.

Juno Temple was incredible in the scene where she was being driven home - her face displayed every emotion - relief, fear, joy. Amazing acting.

The husband is brain damaged and looks exactly like Mike.Johnson, which is infuriating

R139 He looks absolutely nothing like Mike Johnson. Go get your eyes checked

R320 - huh? What are you referring to? The post you quoted doesn't offer any hints.

How many husbands are there on the show?

R321 I quoted the wrong post. I meant R319

Two, R322. Nice bespectacled husband and John Hamm.

Three actually. The guy in the hospital room was also her husband.

No he wasn't. She swapped the signs on their doors so the bad guys would take out the wrong dude.

r325 - bless your heart

I was just taking the piss, for christ sake. Eat a biscuit and lighten up.

You may wish to use emojis next time.

Three. Her husband was in one scene the first one where they took the gun laden Christmas picture.

Sorry to resurrect this two months finished thread, but I got to this late and just finished it. Thoroughly enjoyed it. But I have a question.

How did Dot become The Tiger, as Ole Munsch was fond of calling her? Are we expected to believe she became that way just fighting off Roy’s abuse?

She was trained by Pai Mei at his temple in China, R331.