All those straight guys who did a handful of SeanCody or CorbinFisher videos

Why are those particularly attractive to you?

Most probably do have a strong preference for women and can be correctly called straight. To me, bisexuality is more of a 50/50 or 40/60 thing.

That said, some( if not most), like men and enjoy having sex with men to a certain extent. So I guess it really depends on the person.

No bisexuality means attracted to both sexes. There's no cutoff percentage ratio.

Ex-gays?

I guess what makes me curious is that the guys on those particular sites didn't just unzip and get a blow job.

They were making out, licking each other all over, fucking and getting fucked.

Again, it's entirely possible the filming process was so mechanical it felt like licking a stamp, but they did get the full experience.

It would be fun for their kids to do YouTube videos giving their reaction to seeing their dad letting himself be cornholed.

Because gay sex is funny?

Seancody Ryder did four scenes, excluding his solo, and became a supremacist weirdo. Sad. He has a girlfriend or wife or maybe he scared her off by now.

There’s a huge market for this in the gay community. It’s the most popular, I think. I think gay men imagine themselves to be “women” with these guys, yes? It’s just lends to the whole trans shit and why gay men are transitioning.

I read on Waybig that one hot CF model, Sean, committed suicide after his friends saw the video in which he got double penetrated.

[quote] Because gay sex is funny?

The kids of former gay porn stars might laugh or yawn or cry. I don’t know what their reaction would be to seeing their straight dad being gaped.

[quote] I read on Waybig that one hot CF model, Sean, committed suicide after his friends saw the video in which he got double penetrated.

Sean seemed a little off in the shower with the other two afterward. It did seem like he was having regret, or maybe he was on drugs,

[quote] I'm talking guys who did say 5 to 10 videos max, not the ones who made careers out of it.

10 gay videos is a LOT. That is a career for many porn stars. Porn star Brett Mycles only did 4 videos and he was a Datalounge legend ("blazin' hot").

It used to be that there was a constant influx of new performers to replace the old. Now because it’s so hard to get new talent, the big online studios hold on to their regulars for years, and have them repeat pairings many times. So the regular performers end up doing dozens of scenes.

Sean had a motorcycle accident.

I like straight bait gay porn but not at all because I fantasize about being a woman (yuck). It’s intriguing and titillating to see a straight guy pushing his limits for the first time.

Brett Mycles was blazin hot

r12, I can't find any mention of a motorcycle accident like r15 said, but suicide was ruled out early on.

"It’s just lends to..."

Oh, dear.

[quote]I don’t know what their reaction would be to seeing their straight dad being gaped.

Haha, that’s cute. Well, keep your fingers crossed they give you the reaction you truly hope they give.

[quote]"It’s just lends to..." Oh, dear.

Oh dear.

So Sad

R2 is right.

[quote]I like straight bait gay porn but not at all because I fantasize about being a woman (yuck).

What about watching a Ross the Intern type pushing their limits with women?

[quote]That said, some( if not most), like men and enjoy having sex with men to a certain extent.

And gay men with women?

My straight nephew got involved in one of them (don't want to give too many details). He said he made more money in a couple of days than he did in the previous year, and got flown around a bit for about six months. When they told him he needed to "expand" his "acting profile," he walked away.

The experience tormented him. He left school and married a nasty young woman who controlled and abused him. He went back into porn and got involved in drugs and more-extreme behavior.

He finally started seeing a shrink and slowly came to realize that he did not really identify with being a male, and from there his/her journey led to transitioning and establishing a new identity in Northern California, where she opened a sports shop for women, the first in the county. She entered into a relationship with a local woman, a sheriff's deputy. One morning she stepped off the curb on Main Street to cross to the coffee shop and heard a villager call out a greeting. Her big-brimmed hat was lifting in the breeze so she pushed it down and turned her head to say hi, and a car smacked into her,

and then she died.

Is that Logan Vaughan, who now makes porn as Summer Rayne?

Oops. Typed before reading the rest of the post. Nvm.

Ah, Joel. I love a Joel story like R25.

R24 you are correct that those are other examples of ways men could push their boundaries. I don’t find it erotic though. Just as a guy eating poop would likely push his boundaries but is decidedly unsexy.

Not sure what you were trying to imply exactly but me enjoying watching guys pushing boundaries doing something I find erotic doesn’t mean I have to enjoy all limits being tested.

[quote] All those straight guys who did a handful of SeanCody or CorbinFisher videos

[quote]And then went on to lead otherwise standard heterosexual lives with wives and kids and middle management jobs. (Our DL stalkers have ID'd a number of them)

"Straight"???

Mary, just when exactly did you fall off the turnip truck?

What's interesting to me are the guys who you're never quite sure why they were doing it, e.g,. seemed to come from middle class families, no tattoos, good teeth, DL stalkers discovered college degrees from four year colleges and they seem to have gone on to respectable enough corporate type jobs.

You wonder was it a gambling debt or a DUI that needed a lawyer or something that got them experimenting with porn or were they just exhibitionists?

And how much convincing/money did it take to get them to go from jerk off video to blow jobs to making out and bottoming

As someone noted above, those sorts of guys don't seem to do porn any more--10 years ago I guess they believed they could do it and no one would know, but by now they've figured out that there's no way to keep it quiet.

I’m interested in this topic as it relates directly to Bailey, the small, tightly muscled and very verbal (IIRC) young man who took a lot of liberties with his “Fuckbuddy” from the title of the video.

Anyone have any input on this?

They finger their pussies and their wives’ pussies too

I agree R32. Bailey was HAF

None of it makes any sense to me.

They say straight guys do gay porn for the money because they are desperate for money or because it is easy money.

I would never consider doing straight porn for money. I just...work for money. The idea of straight sex is totally distasteful to me.

So I can't understand the notion to begin with...with one exception. We know there are a lot of people with criminal records in porn, and it does make sense to me that someone like Sebastian Young would have to do porn for money because he could never get a real job with his record. Otherwise, it makes no sense.

R35, many gay men today say that although they are gay, they do not find having sex with women distasteful. In fact, many gay men have had sex with women, and have children to prove it. Just because it’s not your sexual orientation, doesn’t mean you find it distasteful

"Experimenting with porn." Some of you swallow porn PR with a giant spoon.

It’s all a marketing ploy R35. Gay men are ashamed to be gay and repulsed by other gay men, because they deem being gay “feminine” and “diseased”. “Straight” men are “normal” and “healthy”.

Re: CF's Sean -- He actually died of a drug overdose

One of my favorite SeanCody models was Peter. All these years later I still get off on his scenes, and it's 100% clear he wasn't completely straight. He used tongue while kissing and did the nastiest shit with his scene partners (his scene with Josh and Calvin is classic). However, he's now married with children and only posts bible scriptures and photos from his church. Makes sense he'd lean into religion while trying to surpress his true nature. He's also a general contractor....so I wonder if clients ever hire him based on his previous career.

David, who was one of Peter's flip flop scene partners was, I learned from a DL thread a few years back, a D1 college soccer player who graduated went back to his midwestern hometown where he is now married with kids and working at a corporate job.

So why porn?

I'll also throw in that none of these studios paid very well, maybe a couple thousand for a scene plus travel expenses.

R32, shortly after Bailey left SeanCody, he joined the military (same with Owen, Peter, and Noel...while Marshall and Pierce joined after the military).

He's now a physical therapist in California.

Porn money helps pay for drugs.

The golden age of amateur gay porn is dead. A lot of the straight guys who did scenes for SC and CF in the mid-90's were getting paid thousands. Nowadays, they're all gay or bi wannabe models or actors who work for hundreds.

Or this guy

He did 4 videos for CorbinFisher

* Solo

* With female

* Topped Lucas, which he seemed to like

* Bottomed for Dawson which he seemed in pain for.

This was 2009 and those short stints were not uncommon.

Assume he needed a quick $5 or $10K and figured no one would ever see the videos?

[quote]Nowadays, they're all gay or bi wannabe models or actors who work for hundreds.

How sad for you.

Porn actors always lied about fees. The $$$ has always been in escorting.

Elliot Finn is straight.

But Elliott Finn is sort of the opposite of the guys we're talking about R47

He's of the generation where in addition to multiple movies they do OF, maintain multiple social media accounts, etc.

r47, see r43. So it is what we are talking about.

Elliot Finn is a terrible bottom. But then so is Carlos Effort.

And Pablo Hernandez.

Mid-00s R43 -- those studios did not exist in the mid-90s, let alone an internet that could handle video

Carlos Effort is a great pron name though.

Precisely because it's so random

Better link for Hayden at R44

The write-up from "Corbin" is also classic

I accidentally stumbled upon an ex porn actor some time ago because he's a gaming twitcher/streamer for a game I play, he's changed his looks a lot but he's still hot, so I kinda recognised him but I wasn't sure it was him until I searched for a bit. I think he claimed to be bisexual though not straight back then, apparently he has a kid now but he's not married.

Andrew Stark?

Just a reminder for all of you homos ... I AM NOT A PROSTATUTE!

[quote]My straight nephew got involved in one of them

Did you help him rehearse?

Most men are bi, thread closed.

The "real" Sean Cody was a parole officer. Make of that what you will.

There were four CF models -- Harper, Kennedy, Brayden and Kent-- who all seemed bright, middle class backgrounds, college, etc. They did more than a few videos but then disappeared and didn't show up on other sites. Probably into their real adult careers now. Good performers, and the first three were pretty into the sex, or at least they acted like they were.

R56 -- Andrew Stark was hot.

Breck Craparo aka Gabe from Corbin Fisher

I know Danny from Sean Cody is married with kids and does MMA or something.

I know there’s one model from Corbin Fisher, Mike, who’s a dentist in NH. He was really hot.

R60 It was Corbin Fisher that was the parole officer, not Sean Cody. There were some rather unflattering things about Fisher online years ago.

These companies put much less effort into marketing their models as straight now. I'd say this is because the market is changing. The eldergays who were the fans of SC in the 2000s wanted to see the hot straight jocks who tormented them in high school end up having gay sex, so that's what these companies provided. With less societal homophobia now, porn fans are much more likely to like openly gay guys and see them as truly attractive.

Remember too that being a straight man doesn't have to mean that you think gay sex is disgusting or men are disgusting. I've had sex with a woman and while it wasn't as much fun as with a guy, it was perfectly nice and there was nothing traumatising about the experience.

I think a lot of these porn guys are exhibitionists and get off on being desired, without it mattering much who by. Others will be discovering their bisexuality over time.

No one discovers their sexuality through porn. That's just marketing.

Hmmm, 'No one' is a bold claim....

Although there's a debate about how you classify the crowd who always kind of knew but didn't admit it to themselves.

I understand (and share in) fantasizing about these men as porn performers, but I don't understand why you'd want to know about their personal lives.

It's much easier for a guy to break into gay porn for a guy than it is straight porn. SC and CF had talent scouts looking out for new guys to use constantly. There is no such thing for guys in staight porn. You basically need to know someone in porn to give you a start, get in with a girl who will also perform, or in rare cases, luck your way in.

If you want to get in, make a lot of money quick, and get out, gay porn is the way to go. You have to work your way up in straight porn, and it often takes years to become estasblished.

R70, yes, that's the point, the guys are the stars in gay porn, not in straight porn. So exhibitionists will be attracted to gay porn.

It’s just like straight men having sex with other men in prison

[quote] I understand (and share in) fantasizing about these men as porn performers, but I don't understand why you'd want to know about their personal lives.

You know that they’re people, right? Or do you have a Ted Buddy/Jeffrey Dahmer view of the people you think about sexually, regarding them as objects?

auto-correction (Buddy = Bundy).

Corbin Fisher's Sean was handsome but you could tell he was drugged up during most of his scenes. I viewed the double-penetration scene and it was hot, but not long after he died that scene was deleted - not sure why. Anyone else have luck finding it or is it gone forever?

Just google “double penetrating sean” and you’ll find it.

WHET CF’s Aiden ?

R66, why the hell did you have to gross us out with your bi experience? Damn dude. Read the room.

r75, I don’t remember if I downloaded it as a CF member at the time, or from a file sharing site, but I’m glad I have it to have the complete Sean video collection.

R78 Honestly mate that comment was just kind of limited and sad.

I think that's actually a small part of it, R66

A big part was that it was new and felt authentic. These guys were amateurs, they let them talk and the whole SC/CF thing in the 00s was about their "education"--basically getting them to try more each time.

Remember they didn't kiss at first and when CF introduced that it was a big deal.

The fantasy wasn't so much the jock you lusted after but rather the fantasy that under the right set of circumstances, most guys would try--and like--gay sex.

But the appeal was the authenticity, that this was some random college guy who was willing to try getting a blow job for the first time. They've completely lost that authenticity now.

The other piece was that back in the 00s , the models they used really did seem to believe that no one but a bunch of gay guys would ever see the videos, that the audiences for those sites were small and they could perform anonymously. There was no social media, no "doxxing" and so they felt they could go in, do a handful of videos and move on with no one being any the wiser.

Agree R61

I do often wonder how much "grooming" (in the sexual predator sense) they did to convince some of these guys to move beyond jerking off on camera.

As in did they just lure them in there by telling them it was a jerk off video and there would be girls or straight porn, then tell then they could fuck a girl on camera--a lot of the early guys stopped at one of those steps and never moved beyond a single jerk off video.

But the others--did they have Lucas and Dawson show off their new cars and tell them how much pussy they were getting even though they were doing gay videos? Have someone else try and convince them it didn't make you gay or that it actually felt good --what kind of psychological pressure and for how long?

Or was "and we'll give you $3K for it" enough?

R81. Interesting. I never got into SC porn precisely because it felt so inauthentic and (being honest) a little cringey. These two jockbros doing typical bro activities like tossing around a football for five minutes, then back to the house for 2 rounds of stilted, loud but awkward sex, then an interview to say how much they loved it even though they were straight. It was interesting to learn that a few of them hooked up off camera though, proof that it wasn't all forced.

Same with Active Duty

R84 Ah, Active Duty. I fondly remember Cole, who seemed to take delight in tormenting the other boys with his large dong.

Let's not forget the thoroughly insane Jake Lyons, who tried to make a career of porn but couldn't.

WHET Cole ?

R86 Supposedly he worked behind the camera at AD for a while at least, I don't know beyond that.

The football tossing was the middle years R83

The authenticity was in the early low budget years, where they're turn on the camera with the guy sitting on the bed, Sean would talk to him a bit and then he'd jerk off or Sean would blow him.

If it was two guys they'd sit there awkwardly and you 'd hear Sean giving them instructions (move your hand behind your head! Touch his cock!)

The outdoor scenes didn't happen until they started making money and could afford more and better equipment,.

In those early years occasionally the models would contact Sean later and ask him to remove the videos if they were causing the models problems and he would. The kind-hearted pornographer.

R88 Ok fair I didn't see the early stuff.

For me that isn't attractive at all though. I'd much rather see an openly gay guy have the best sex of his life and love it, versus a straight guy suffering through half an hour of touching a dick for money.

In fact I won't watch any porn guy who claims to be gay for pay, no matter how hot he is.

R90 DLs prefer straight guys

R91 I know because they skew elderly, it's the point I was trying to make in R66.

That said I love to fuck straight (ish) guys myself, when they are doing it for curiosity rather than money, mainly because of the novelty.

Actually R92 you were contrasting your own tastes with those of the audience you assumed made these sites popular back in the day and making more than a bit of a humble brag out of it to the point where you sounded like you were convincing yourself of something.

Reality is that those sites succeeded because they were such a marked contrast to overly slick porn that prevailed at the time--"real people" casting if you will. The models were guy next door types, not chiseled jocks.

And people could watch them online, often for free via pirated passwords, so no dealing with renting or buying videos and sitting in front of the TV. Viewers could jack off in bed with their computer. That was another huge factor.

They were very much a part of the 00s and early 10s and then devolved into the slick porn they'd been a reaction to.

Hence the explosion of OnlyFans.

R93 I do think you have to deal with the collapse of gay-for-pay though. Even actors who are probably mostly straight ( say, Dante Colle), will no longer say that because they know it costs them their audience.

I loved Sean Cody back in the day; their models hit the right spot for me: white, masc, muscled, no tattoos (or very little). They were my preppy jock fantasy brought to life. Randy, Daniel, Joey, Forrest, they were my favorites; I have a hard time believing all of them are 100% straight.

Yeah I thought CF Sean died of a drug thing.

R10 what do you mean Ryder is a supremacist? I met with him a few times. He's very nice. Haven't kept in touch, however.

Gay for pay has merely evolved R94

Now it's "almost gay" for pay

Things like Creamy Gorilla and all those OnlyFans guys who just do solo JO videos or take showers with their friends without actually doing anything sexual with them.

There are still plenty of G4P guys around too - Malik Delgatty, Daniel Catlin (SC Daniel) and others, though, to your point, they may now describe themselves as "fluid" or "pansexual" or something on that order

[quote]You know that they’re people, right? Or do you have a Ted Buddy/Jeffrey Dahmer view of the people you think about sexually, regarding them as objects?

So what you're saying is that I'm like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer for NOT wanting to stalk them.

Yes, that makes a lot of sense.

R95 Big butt Forrest (on right) went on to Men.com where as Clark Campbell he appeared bottoming in several scenes

Sean Cody's gorgeous bottom Spencer has moved on from gay porn and married a woman.

Any info on Sean Cody's Randy (guy on the left in [R95] )?

R86, he's married with at least one kid. He used to have a photo on his LinkedIn page, but it's since been removed, maybe when his name got out. Has a solid job/career. He looked good. Older of course, but still very handsome.

Maybe this is off topic, but weren't there a whole "less produced" kind of sites where the straight guy was "tricked" into performing (jerking off, getting blown, maybe blowing) because they were "auditioning" for straight porn. All the way back to Bobby Garcia, then that guy Tony in NY/NJ with the bizarre tiger stuff in his apartment, and the old guy in SF in "Like 'Em Straight"....

I always liked the "real" quality to some of those videos and it seemed there was a mix of "I'm into anything, just give me the $" and the straight numbskulls who really thought they were "auditioning" for straight porn...

And Vinny Russo from Sneak Peek.

Vinnie Russo in Providence RI is the guy you're thinking of with all the big-cat accessories in the home, R103 R104

Brandon Marley is the Like 'Em Straight guy. He might still be putting out a video or two, unclear.

[Quote]They were my preppy jock fantasy brought to life. Randy, Daniel, Joey, Forrest, they were my favorites; I have a hard time believing all of them are 100% straight.

Sorry to ruin the illusion, but most of those guys weren't preppy and/or 100% straight. Randy is a druggie in real life, Daniel is bisexual, and Forrest is white trash from Georgia.

Joey on the other hand is fascinating to me. He did 40 scenes over the course of 4 years! A guy who's completely straight doesn't do the things he did on-screen for 4 years (cum eating galore, getting creampied, kissing with tongue, deep rimming). But he also appears to have grown up in a well-to-do family in Southern California.

I saw pictures from his wedding and it looked like a tasteful affair on the beach (his wife is a nurse). He's also completely changed his name since his brief post-porn career as a YouTuber invited a lot of unwanted attention (his real name is Ian Tevyaw, but he legally changed it to something else).

Deep rimming? How can you tell?

[quote] his real name is Ian Tevyaw,

Tevyaw. What is that, Dutch?

I'm more loving how "deep rimming" along with "getting creampied" had "kissing.... with TONGUE" (gasp!) in between.

R107, you can tell when someone is pretending to rim versus when they actually rim. Bel Ami is bad with the fake rimming, and usually so is SeanCody. But Joey was one of the few who clearly got his tongue in there without can clever camera angles.

Are you kidding? Bel Ami is one of the few studios that shoots rimming well. When Bel Ami models fake it, it's really obvious because BelAmi don't let their models bury their face in the ass and nod their head so we can't see what their tongue is (not) doing.

Tevyaw isn't Dutch...supposedly it's only found in the US and Canada. Based on his looks I'd guess his ancestry is mostly Southern or Eastern European.

Bless your heart.

Middle-Management jobs? They did 10 SeanCody porns for beer money when they were at Duke or Vanderbilt, before their Ivy League MBAs?

R106, I realize that the guys are/were nothing like the fantasy, but at the time they did a good job of projecting that fantasy. Sadly, nothing has come along to replicate it.

It’s so depressing that this thread has over 100 posts and the gay men who were impaled with a screw driver and nearly killed in a brutal gay bashing gets only 20 posts. It’s just…sad.

We want something to feel good about the world, and nothing is better for that than gay porn.

Is it gay porn or “gay-for-pay” porn.

Is Joey an MD now?

They all gone to doctor skool?

[quote] So what you're saying is that I'm like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer for NOT wanting to stalk them.

I’m saying you are a moron.

Jesus, these guys are all self loathing and not straight, hence the marriages and kids, they producers know gay men's biggest fantasy is watching "straight" guys fucking and sucking, so that's what they give you. If you really believe they're gay for pay then you're really stupid.

R117, perhaps a link to thread you’ve got the sand in your cunt over would help.

R40, re David and Peter, I don’t care if these guys married to women, either in this scene or in others they show an enthusiasm that is difficult to fake. They are at least bi.

Some try to fake it and overact and there are o others who are clearly uncomfortable. I believe the majority are not 100% straight.

But op’s question is also beyond sexuality. There are lots of gay men who wouldn’t dream of going into porn.

[quote]Is Joey an MD now?

Joey:MD::Melania:architect

I wonder what happened to Jamie from SC - he was always quite the fun lusty guy.

Joey went med school at UCI and was definitely a kept boy. He couldn't help but show off what daddy was giving. One or two Mercedes, expensive clothes, $$$ apartment, etc., etc., etc. He wasn't from a well to do family at all, but one from the working middle class to trashy eastern reaches of San Diego county. So he's done quite well for himself.

R96

[quote]what do you mean Ryder is a supremacist? I met with him a few times. He's very nice. Haven't kept in touch, however.

I think 2020 fucked him up.

R10 tats interesting. I thought he died from a standard Florida man style overdose. His family and CF were really careful about what they said. Sean was also with them for like 1-2 years so the dp being the final straw is well interesting after everything else he did.

r118 link that thread, sounds kinky. Was the victim or aggressor hot?

Sc Shaw was caught messing with trannies because the tranny blackmailed him.

"Messing with," "talking to"... Some of these expressions are dreadful.

I’m a photographer and I work with OnlyFans models and I just shot a male porn star.

His original start ended and he was gone for about 2 years because of his experience with Next Door Studios.

He was young, had no idea what he was doing but sent an audition tape for straight porn, got a male / female scene with Next Door. So they fly him out to Cali and he says he ended up in a van with men and thought it was strange. He realizes he was the only guy doing a scene with a woman that day.

So before he does the scene, he does a solo J/O scene, then I think the next day he does the scene with the female model.

And then on the spot, he was asked to do a blowjob scene with another male model. He refused.

At some point cause I don’t remember the sequence, the director / head or whoever wanted to have sex with him. He refused and went home.

He didn’t start doing porn again until 2 years later and he said it had a negative effect on him because he had been accused of doing gay porn because of his solo scene on Next Door.

But he basically told me that straight studios own the gay studios they offer men an extra $500 for gay porn. So some of the actors are originally in it to do straight porn and take the $500.

But to elaborate, basically some of these guys were put on the spot. Some had intentions of only doing a jerk off scene or a scene with a woman. They took days off from work, were flown out, given a hotel room, got the VIP treatment, got there and were put on the spot. Some didn’t know until the last minute they were going to do gay porn.

It makes sense cause if you remember old Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher, the guys always began with solos, then they’d do a scene with a woman, then they’d do a blowjob scene or a rimming scene, then they would do a sex scene. Some of those were probably shot the same day or within a few days while they were still there. I think the actual sex scenes were mostly Round 2 and the studio would give them more money to come back.

Some probably felt pressured not to back out.

Some probably enjoyed the money. They had anonymous names. They would use simply one name like Mike or Chad. The internet was big but they probably didn’t realize the consequences as streaming had not been invented yet or was not huge.

r134, old Corbin Fisher had them start with a woman, but old Sean Cody didn't. There were maybe five scenes with women total. The guys went from solo to male-male action. Anyone working for SC knew what they were in for.

Go gay for a mere $500 ? LOL. Give me a break.

R135 This is true but some of these guys thought they were just doing solos. Cause if you remember, some never made it beyond solos. The ones who never made it beyond solos are probably the ones who said no. Same for blowjobs.

Remember the guy people thought was a Power Ranger? He never had any sex scenes. Sadly.

I wonder why Tyler Nixon never did gay porn.

R136 That’s exactly what my friend said. That it was ridiculous.

But $500 to a 20 year-old guy or whatever probably isn’t bad.

He said it’s different today. Porn studios don’t pay for travel expenses and shit anymore. I think they might pay for hotel rooms. But he said it’s $150 for STD testing and $75 for Covid Testing and if you’re traveling around in Ubers to get everywhere, your check gets eaten up.

If any of you watch straight porn, you’ll notice gangbangs have decreased. It’s $100 pay for a man. You’ll get $400 a scene with a female model, $100 for a gang bang.

The guys that make the most money in straight porn are the ones who live close by who work exclusively with studios like Brazzers.

He also said the viagra has a really bad effect on these guys and that when he watches the guys he can see the painful “viagra face” because the shoot doesn’t cater to the male erection. He says you do the scene as a photoshoot first, then put your clothes back on, and do the scene and it’s tough to get it up.

Steve Holmes travels back and forth from Europe. His dick always looks fine.

A lot of people seem to think that porn is real. It's a performance and a job. Porn has nothing to do with sex. People are fucking, but it's not who they are because money is involved. The types of guys who do Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher, or who used to do Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher were these middle America types who want to buy a new truck and got talked into doing something because no one back home was ever going to find out. Most of those guys are now married, living middle class lives and supporting Trump.

Current Cody and Fisher models are picked off of Chaturbate or various social media platforms by recruiters who are paid to find these guys. It's a little bit easier now because if they're already on Chaturbate, half the work is done.

I did research for a project on a porn set about 10 years ago. It's all so mechanical and scripted. It is basically a few minutes of a sex act, then the guys go off to watch straight porn, then they go back and do a few minutes of a sex act and on and on. One guy even brought his girlfriend. Porn is actually made in the editing room.

R142. Yes. And it works that way for straight porn too, it’s just as unsexy. I actually am going to edit my friends porn he shot with this girl because he hated her so much, he can’t bring himself to finish it.

Well honey its not viagra its failsafe alprostadil injections. Rock hard dick.

Hence the appeal of the early SeanCody and CF videos which did not feature a whole lot of editing.

Ditto many current OnlyFans

r145 exactly, I think that's why OF and other amateur stuff is much more popular now, specially with younger people, it's far more real. I watched a bts/out-take of a porn scene once and you could tell how obviously fake and mechanical the whole thing was, it wasn't even sexy and it actually opened my eyes about it. Idek why they'd release that

Found the bts clip, the actual scene isn't much better, doesn't help that the old guy looks like a creep. Btw the bottom is the guy I was talking at r55

[quote]I just shot a male porn star.

Was it in Reno just to watch him die?

I have straight friends, like actual straight, and they would NEVER kiss, or get sexually involved with a guy, let along film gay porn in front of a camera and getting DOUBLE PENETRATED on screen. They are self-homophobic bisexuals who don't accept themselves.

Huh ?

I know 2 dudes who both did a handful of porn, one about 4 scenes, the other 6-7. Back in the 00s, studio isn't even around anymore.

One guy is absolutely straight and bottomed in his scenes because he couldn't get hard. He was a bodybuilder back then, but stopped doing that and lost a lot of his mass, so he isn't that recognizable in public. He was a dancer at one of the local clubs for a while and bartended at a gay bar known for it's straight bartenders. Married now, no kids, hot wife. He has no regrets, but at the same time doesn't want to talk about it. Doing pretty good for himself as a tech guy.

The other was straight, and now he isn't. He was married when he did porn because his wife told him to so they could buy a house. At the time he worked as a manager at a restaurant. After the porn, one of their mutual friends found the video and it caused a bunch of drama with their families and she left him. Was running his own business at the time, real estate I think. Got recognized by a client who became his sugar daddy for a while. During that time he realized he was bi, wanted to say fuck it to the past, and got a whole fuckton of tattoos. He's now a crypto bro with a boyfriend and works at a local bar on the weekends for fun.

Both were approached by SC at one point before they took the job with the other company. They thought SC was too high profile and it risked their friends and families finding out.

I haven't talked to either in a few years. If I remember right, they went to AZ for their scenes, but a few companies were in the Phoenix area around that time and I'm not sure which one. I saw one on xtube back in the day, and it looked like it was shot on a home video camera. I haven't found the videos since.

I also know a dude who did a ton of scenes for Hot House, Raging Stallion, and Pride Studios. But he's super gay and retired to focus on his really cool art.

[quote] I have straight friends, like actual straight, and they would NEVER kiss, or get sexually involved with a guy, let along film gay porn in front of a camera and getting DOUBLE PENETRATED on screen.

It’s true that some straight guys won’t do those things. It’s fortunate that the porn industry has been able to hire a lot of straight guys who will for money.

What was the "absolutely straight" guy financing? It doesn't make sense to just end up sitting on a dick when you're straight. Had he been molested as a child?

[quote] known for it's straight bartenders.

Oh, dear!

R1499 They see it as a relatively easy way to get money. And it's just sex. The need for money is a great motivator.

[quote] It doesn't make sense to just end up sitting on a dick when you're straight.

It doesn’t have to be just about pleasure. It can also be a sense of achievement.

Sure, Jan.

DL lore says that the gay for pay guys often wind up bottoming because they don't have to get it up.

I'd say that kissing has to be this biggest hurdle for most of them, because it is so intimate.

All that said, I'm not sure you can totally block out what it felt like to have another guy nut in your ass or to cum with another guy's cock up your ass.

I'll throw this in too--most straight guys wouldn't do straight porn either--as much as DL's Eldergays think that every other guy under 30 has an OnlyFans, it's still pretty taboo.

R158, not so much anymore. Straight identified guys are kissing all over TikTok for clout and followers

Kissing is not sex work, hon.

Getting fucked is easier for straight guys since you are not the active one.

There's a psychological element, though.

R162 Medicating the psyche works, no?

A missing element to all the discussion here... most of these guys, gay or straight, are addicts, right?

Addiction is a big thing for some of these people. And child sex abuse.

I remember Evil Jef saying how when he worked at Randy Blue some of these guys only had flip phones. People doing well in life almost never do porn.

R139 Ah the token! SC and CF are both whiter than Utah frathouses.

[quote] Straight identified guys are kissing all over TikTok for clout and followers

As a joke of sorts or a dare.

Not as the first part of a porn scene lol

Like the music industry, the porn biz has really changed, but I'd say not as drastically. How do they make any money? Do they even make porn dvds anymore?

I'm convinced Bel Ami is a front for high end hookers. The quality of production hasn't dipped like, say, Sean Cody.

*for pimping high end hookers

I listenened to a podcast a while back where a comedian told of how in the 1980s his job was to drive a porn performer to set and to the performer's prostitution "date," because the performer couldn't be relied upon to get themselves anywhere on time. The comedian wasn't employed by the performer but by the pornographer. I expect it has been ever thus and that many pornographers are also pimps.

R167 That's what I wonder as well since I'm ignorant. Scenes are all over the internet for free, how do they find the money to make the film, paying for cameras, giving a salary, albeit not that amusing, to editors, photographers, the actors themselves, not to mention the maintenance of the luxurious locations or rents etc.

+1 on that R171, though there must be people who do pay.

As you noted, most of the videos are up on Myvidster and other streaming sites within hours of being posted.

I used to buy a subscription on a rotating basis once a year to CF, SC, and ChaosMen, just to throw them some support and download most of their new content.

Even today, I will occasionally subscribe for a month to CF one when they send over a great deal. I lost interest in ChaosMen. SC was always my favorite but when they ended free downloads I was 100% done. Then they wiped their archive because they didn’t have the signed contracts from hundreds of performers in their procession (surprised they didn’t sue the old owner) and I’m now just enjoying what’s out out for free.

SC really became Falcon. A relic of a better time. At least CF still feels connected to its glory days. I’ll be sad when it finally folds or just sells out to Mind Geek.

R171 I was one some daddy site where the Forums had a segment about porn boys people hired. One guy was an expert on hiring Bel Ami escorts. Most of their performers get into the game. He’d hire one or two even in a day but at least one a day while in Prague or Budapest. Many of BA’s models are either Czech or Hungarian.

This chat was recent, because he was talking about how he made it work in a post COVID world. I’m on my phone or I’d find and link to the site.

The performers he liked would be flown to the US (prior to COVID). He lived in CA which also helped. Most of the guys working for BA identified as straight. Have girlfriends and just see the sex as work. They love the attention of being showered with gifts and money. Bottom it top, they’d do what they needed to do then he said they’d just go right back to their girlfriends as if nothing happened. Buying a nice car, new clothes, or taking care of their babies.

I can appreciate how compartmentalized sex can be for them.

I get a membership at the various gay internet porn sites periodically for a limited time to download any videos I like that were created since the last time I was a member. For example, I’m currently doing NDS for 90 days, having last been a member in 2015. So I have six years of videos to download.

[quote] Most of the guys working for BA identified as straight. Have girlfriends and just see the sex as work.

Sounds similar to the straight gay-for-pay performers in American gay porn.

When they go back, do their girlfriends notice their hole is bigger than before ?

A good gape doesn’t last too long, although looseness can linger for a while longer.

The original appeal of Sean Cody was that you've never seen the guys anywhere else. They were all fresh meat to gay porn (and porn in general) and you didn't see them anywhere else. The longer the site went on, the higher was the chance for some performers turning their Sean Cody gig into a gay porn career (Colby Keller and Ryan Rose come to mind).

The issue with discussing gay (4pay) porn performers is that it's more about the posters' personal issues with porn in general. "Well, I wouldn't dream of fucking a woman no matter how much money is involved, therefore no way in hell straight guys can have sex with men for money! NO WAY! All those who perform in gay porn must be super gay since bi doesn't exist either (there can only be Gold Star Gays like me or Gold Star Straights)!"

Some hot guys just like (easy) money more than holding on to some sexual "moral" code. Of course, in a lot of cases they regret their decision when their peers find out about the gay porn since - by then - the porn money is spent.

There are some firsthand accounts from gay SC performers who talk about straight guys who legitimately did it for the money and weren’t confused, romantic, or into any of the action. The direction and drugs made it seem like they were.

Well put R179.

I think what's tough for many of us to remember is that in 2005 it really was possible to believe that no one they knew would ever see the videos.

And that there was likely a high level of "grooming" and salesmanship involved to get these guys to even do a JO video, let alone move on to actual gay sex.

I'd be curious to learn how much pressure was put on them once they were there for the JO shoot, which I suspect varied from studio to studio

I think the reason why Sean Cody had so many solo performers not come back was because they didn't push too hard or manipulate them into doing more. I assume they just made a formal offer for future scenes and let the performer go back home and think it through.

R174 That level of senseless coldness, or complete blank apathy is what I'd call sociopathy honestly.

R183 I see it no different from getting a massage. Your paying someone to connect with your body. Sex work is honorable enough work. World would be better if sex work wasn’t shamed so that everyone can get off. Prostitution and porn are the same in my eyes, except both parties may be tested before hand with porn.

[quote] Your paying someone

Oh, dear!

The only one I ever paid for was Straight College Men, now defunct. I always wonder about that group of 18 year old high school friends who were on the site for a while. Big dicked Rhett did the most, even infamously jerking with his gross dad, and then did some porn on the spin-off site for a while. There were some really hot guys on that site for a while.

R184 I don't demonize sex nor sex work. I'm actually quite sex positive, but to me the three jobs (massage, prostitution and acting in a gay porn film) are not all the same thing. If the guys were gay, yeah, fine, but the thought of a straight guy with kids getting fucked blankly by old daddies for money and then coming home like nothing happened is, to me, disturbing and not healthy, for him and the for the family.

That guy Rhett did the JO video with was his stepdad, not his dad. No bio relation. They said so in the introductory conversations at the beginning of the vid but the copies that get shown on the tube sites usually cut that and go straight to the JO.

Rhett and his dad in the video look exactly alike.

R187 I don’t know why people go out of their way to defend or sympathize with “g4p” models. Personally majority of them are bi but lean more straight. I reckon they might sleep with men off camera in certain circumstances but it’s rare. Money came be an incredible motivator especially if one is desperate.

I think some stay doing things because the lifestyle of porn/escorting/sex work. It is way to easy and simple of work to the benefits of travel, free gifts and easy money.

[Quote] the thought of a straight guy with kids getting fucked blankly by old daddies for money and then coming home like nothing happened is, to me, disturbing and not healthy, for him and the for the family.

It sounds like you have issues with gay sex.

R1 you’re in denial if you have to ask.

I work for gay for pay models.

It’s money.

They use viagra and there’s straight porn being viewed on the sets. Everything is edited together. You don’t see the struggling boners or 2 minute erections before things go limp.

Do you really HAVE to enjoy having sex with men to have sex with men?

Women who have sex with men for money don’t always enjoy it either.

I work with a female porn star who is 100% lesbian and does straight porn.

If everyone else is capable of doing it, straight men are. Right now there’s gay porn stars having sex with women in bisexual scenes, some are full blown gay. They pull it off.

I worked with a straight male porn star who said his scenes can be awful cause he doesn’t get along or vibe with his female co-star. He hated one girl he worked with on his OnlyFans so much that he had me edit the video because he couldn’t stand watching it.

Allegedly SC David has started an OF

A pic he deleted

...with matching tattoo

You have to understand too, gay porn is an umbrella under major straight porn studios.

Brazzers and Men.com are owned by the same company. That’s why they look so much alike now.

I think what happens is a lot of men sign up for straight studios and get talked into doing gay porn. Straight porn pays men $400-500 a scene but they’ll add another $500 for gay porn.

But I’ve also worked with a gay porn star who said he gets $500 a scene but he shoots like 5 scenes in a week.

The Brazzers men are taken care of because a lot of them live close by and shoot everyday. So the left over men are offered gay porn.

I live in Dallas, which for some reason seems to be a landing spot for many porn/post-porn guys who dance.

(I think the location is due to it being centrally located — most of these guys escort, too.)

The younger ones seem to have no shame about their video work…in fact, they tend to be exhibitionists and love being recognized. Their orientations are all over the place, gay, str8, but most are bi.

The older ones are either gay or str8-oriented…more rigid…but if they were honest, any kind of body worship gets them off.

I’ve encountered many level-headed guys, and a few messes.

It could be the dance managers filter out the messy ones, so maybe my sample is a bit off.

My favorite CF model seems to be Ward Cleaver now. I’ve seen happy family photos, but when I saw his wife I just thought, wow she can handle a huge cock.

I’m doing a Photoshoot with a gay porn star most likely next month. He’s shot for Military Classified, Next Door Studios, Fraternity X, and Men.com off the top of my head. I think he’s straight. I met him on Saturday.

He’s very wild and outgoing and I’m excited. I just have to figure out what I’m going to do for the shoot.

My (very, very long-ago BF) is a renowned male photographer.

He’s a very sweet guy and not what you’d suspect from someone in erotica.

(I need to text him and volunteer as a helper for the weekend.)

R200, tell us how it goes

R34, years ago some dipshit here posted a thread where he thought it would be KEWL to rent a hotel room in NY or somewhere and hire Bailey for a gangbang.

The hottest guy ever on Sean Cody was hot ginger named Patrick. He was muscular, hairy, and had a beautiful thick cock. He had a handsome face that somewhat resembled actor Jere Burns.

I always wondered what happened to him.

he left after five or so videos

Sean Cody gave us Colby Keller and for that we are ever grateful

or not, the guy ended up a needy trump voter

r204, he briefly resurfaced (or someone claiming to be him) on Twitter in 2020. Posted some pics that are certainly him, if he was really the one posting them.

locked out

Closet cases.

Exactly, R210.

If you were to follow one of these "straight" guys around, they're the ones cruising public parks and highway rest areas looking for cock.

You don't turn your love for dick on and off like a water faucet.

I was so sure I could turn emotions on and off

R193: Wow. You've really described porn behind the curtain. They're selling fantasy, of course, but it's purely transactional work without much enjoyment. No different from prostitution, yet it's idealized by many. These performers you know—are any of them married?

This is why I could never do porn (not that I ever seriously considered it as an option). First of all, I'm not an exhibitionist. Secondly, you might occasionally get to do scenes with guys who really turn you on, but I can't imagine having to fuck someone who I have absolutely no attraction to (or worse, someone who is repellent to me) that I would have to rely on porn videos on set or using Viagra/injections to get aroused. Maybe I'm in the minority. Money is not enough of a motivation.

R213 yeah my porn star friend showed me what “Viagra face” looks like an I can’t unsee it when I watch porn now. When guys look like they’re in pain fucking, they’re in pain. I think especially when guys cum and they just look like they’re being stabbed. It’s Viagra.

So one thing I’ve noticed is every single male porn star or aspiring male porn star I’ve worked with all had trade jobs or construction. I actually have to be considerate with scheduling hours with some because some of them have to get up at 4 AM for work and etc. But yes, it’s always construction workers.

Most of the porn stars I’ve taken photos of are divorced. And most are my age, under 35.

I was going to do an OnlyFans project with this absolutely gorgeous fit muscle guy from the country and he made up with his ex and ghosted me.

Men who want to do porn can be very obnoxious because they don’t understand it’s a business, they want instant access and instant gratification to sex, and unlike women, most men have a complete lack of awareness of sexual value.

The key to being a successful porn star is thinking like a woman. And it’s not sexist because women are pretty fucking smart when it comes to selling sex. If you know you can sell your body, if you want to be a performer, porn is the gig for you.

But I’ve had to tell guys there’s a difference between someone who wants to become a porn star and someone who wants to get laid. 80% of men just want to get laid.

I’m going to share a message I sent to a guy who turned me down because there would be no women at our first session.

“That’s totally fine and I understand!

For some advice for the future, female porn stars are the dominant gender in the adult industry. The women come first always. When I shoot sex scenes, I use male models that I’ve worked one on one with so that I know their behavior and attitudes, reliability, and trustworthiness before they do a scene with one of my female models. And I show the female models photos I took of the male models to choose from and so on and so on.

Even if you don’t have an OnlyFans or Chaturbate or TikTok, you should have a portfolio of photos. Ambition to be a porn star. Or else you’ll look like a random guy looking to have sex with girls on camera, which isn’t what most people are looking for lol.

So just take that in and good look! Thank you for responding! “

So this is kind of what I deal with on a regular basis.

Porn is a hook

what happened to Patrick Bateman - he started in straight porn and then did gay for a couple years and then quit the business. i also liked Aaron Cage - i think that was his name - he apparently quit too.

"what happened to Patrick Bateman."

He got a job in the Trump Administration, to whom he was completely devoted.

Actually Patrick Bateman is the main character in American Psycho.

He got arrested for something

R80, that's because you're a homophobe and a bisexual cunt. You're not a gay man.

It's just a job to them.

I need the money, honey

A hole is a hole

Patrick Bateman was in jail.

that's what I thought - he also got fat

Is there a website that collects the info on all these guys?

R217 It's Pat Bateman. There was a thread about him a year or two ago. He's had legal trouble galore, it seems. He was married for a short time to an older man that was also an obscure character actor. He was also seen on social media with another older guy at a sporting event, probably another sugar daddy. Not sure what his sexual orientation is, but it looks like he's learned who to go after to keep him.

he always bottomed

R80) why are you telling gay men they are limited? Limited in what way?

Maybe its just me,but I could never get hard for someone I wasnt attracted to so it puzzles me how these guys can for some gross old motherfucker . Or a gross young one for tht matter. If Im not attracted in the least Im as limp as a wet newspaper.

money makes the world go around

If they did gay porn they were not straight guys, and I don't care how many wives and children they went on to have. They were and are most likely deep closet cases. There might have been a bi-sexual or 2 in the mix, but that's all. The majority of them were gay men with deep psychological damage caused by their upbringing that prevented them from ever coming out of the closet. Men like that can't even admit to themselves they're gay. They lie themselves into believing they are 100% straight as a defense mechanism.

Gay men must stop buying into this fantasy that there are real 100% straight men having sex with other men on camera for the world to see.

most straight guys I know like dick

[quote] Most closeted straight guys I know like dick.

There, fixed that for ya.

most guys love cocks, mainly their own

Bump

Straight guys need money

Most of us don’t enjoy our jobs either. We still do them.

it's a SUCK job

R239 Yeah honestly disagree all gay for pay are closet cases based on my experience.

Like I said before, if you think women enjoy fucking men on camera cause porn is allll about living sex and shit you’re wrong.

Men are capable fucking men strictly for money too, not just women.

Men are much different than women, physiologically

Women need to endure the porn, men have to perform it (get hard)

Yeah and the stigma over engagin in homosexuality is so much more pervasive and greater for men than for women that it is presumptive a man publicly engaging in it on camera is not straight.

There was I think a Sean Cody performer who only did one or two scenes for them before I think he moved on to doing trans porn and bi porn.

Could you be any vaguer, r245 ?

It was this guy, I forgot his name, I think it starts with a J.

jerome?

Bump

HUMP

Most of those Sean Cody /Corbin Fisher dudes are closeted or only open to few bisexuals who only date women because they see men only as a sexual object.

Most also had sex with men off camera because this is what they enjoy and jerk off to gay porn.

If you enjoy sex with men on or off camera you are at least bisexual. Those guys can wave at it but from all practical purposes they are bi.

Sexuality is a spectrum and I Most people fall between strictly straight and strictly gay.

Even a guy who is 90% str8 10% gay enjoy sex with a guy the same way guy who is 90% gay.

Fetishes