British Royal Family Gossip Part 95

Checked in at The Daily Fail to read comments. The commentariat of The Daily fail is so happy with Edo because he is European and not a YANK.

Bea had a long-time bf prior to Edo, didn't she?

This marriage, just like Harry's, seems rather rushed.

My guess is they've all rushed to marry before granny carks it so they get a decent chunk of whatever the queen gives to her grandkids when they tie the knot. Once Uncle Charles is in charge, any royal newlyweds will be lucky to get more than a set of wineglasses out of that stingy bastard.

R2 - The long time boyfriend was Dave Clark. They dated for 10 years and broke up. This Mr. Clark person was engaged to someone else within 12 months and I believed married within 18 months. I could be wrong but I think the woman Mr. Clark person married was a Yank. The commentariat of the Daily Fail hated her.

Thanx OP for starting the thread!

Thx for the info, R4

You're welcome, R5

R3 you may be correct on this.

For Bea's sake let's hope Prince Pips won't bite the dust shortly before the wedding will take place.

And I forgot about the Queen ...

*knock on wood*

Edo looks exactly like his father, Alessandro (Alex).

Not that I believe there's going to be a wedding, and speaking of Edo's father, since Edo's parents had quite an acrimonious divorce, wonder if Alex will be invited to the wedding?

They better hope they exist if Brenda doesn't get off her old ass and save her country.

Beatrice looks radiantly happy in those engagement photos. Edo has a not-great track record in the romantic loyalty department.

For her sake I hope that Edo’s turned over a new leaf.

R9 - Why no wedding?

As R11 mentioned, Edo "doesn't have a great track record in the romantic loyalty department". He got engaged to Dara Huang, fathered a child and hung around with her for three years, until a better opportunity came along, Bea. I'm betting that that's been his MO with women. Romance 'em, fiance 'em, then bugger off when a better opportunity rucks up. A male version of Megs.

Paywall's just been removed on the previous BRF Gossip Part 94. Wonder why?

Another glitch in the DL system? Anyway, for the time being we should endeavour to fill up thread no 94, as long as it's possible.

R4 That has to sting when someone you're with for ten plus years moves on so quickly and permanently. I wonder why it didn't work out with them.

so who is paying for the wedding? the taxpayers?

R16 - Because William did not like or trust him and Dave really did not want the responsibilities of being married to a member of the BRF.

Bea seems to go for cads.

I'm not going to dismiss Edo as a cad. Shit happens. People have relationships, get pregnant, it doesn't work out....what can you do? If I were Dara, I'd console myself with the thought that my kid – and in some sense, I  – will forever have a connection to the throne. Think of all the doors that opens.

Royal engagements through the years

Yes, we know shit happens, things don't work out, but just the same . . . Bea's a homely woman and she was getting desperate, and there's just the slightest aroma of Thierry Roussel and Cristina Onassis about this. All right, not nearly as extreme, Bea's looks like a sweet woman and she doesn't have enough money to make her the financial catch Cristina was, AND Cristina was truly ugly and Bea isn't that bad, and everyone knew what Roussel was marrying Cristina for and that he was keeping the beautiful blonde Swedish mistress on the side.

I hope he really likes her because he isn't getting a title or a huge payout from this, just a large swig of social cachet. But, I dunno - I have a niece I'm very fond of and if she were marrying Edo, I'd be worried.

R21 - That cosy photo of William and Kate is lovely. But it IS so disturbing looking at Charles and Diana on their engagement day.

R4, that ALWAYS happens. It’s not that they don’t want to get married; they don’t want to marry YOU. Happened to my sister. To be fair, she is a difficult person.

Edo will go through with this particular marriage. But I am certain it will end in tears.

At least she’ll have the memory of her Big Day. And it’s better to be a divorcee than a spinster. At least someone wanted you, once.

R17 - The taxpayers will only be on the hook for any security involved, because the Queen and other senior royals will be present. That said, Windsor, where the wedding is most likely to take place, has huge security resources because of the Queen's presence there, and now, as well, the Sussexes.

The rest will all be privately paid for: this isn't a state occasion, like the Cambridge wedding, where crowned heads and diplomats, not to mention the PM and his wife, must be invited making security much tighter, and Westminster Abbey is the venue in the middle of London.

I don't see why they wouldn't do St. George's Chapel like Eugenie, Harry, and the Kent daughter. They don't merit a carriage ride through London or a balcony appearance, the Abbey is where their parent's disastrous marriage was done, and whilst true Zara Tindall went up to Scotland, her brother married in St. George's Chapel, too.

So that's my guess. We're probably looking at April, as these things usually take six months and it's nearly October.

Out of principle, I refuse to pay to post (well, okay, I'm also a cheap bastard) but someone in the previous thread referred to Bea thusly: HRH Princess Beatrice, Mrs. Edo Marscapone. I snerked and snorted. Perhaps the wedding cake will be a large, fluffy tiramisu.

None of them will ever even be able to hold a candle to the most beloved human being of all time Princess Diana!

So are we no longer trying to fill a thread before a new one starts?

I wonder if Prince Philip will still be alive and kicking at the time of the wedding. I suspect he will, actually. I can picture him making it to 100.

Prince Philip fits the old adage "only the good die young" perfectly.

't least she’ll have the memory of her Big Day. And it’s better to be a divorcee than a spinster. At least someone wanted you, once.'

The Better a Divorcee than a Spinster troll is back. This misogynist hoe will never say 'better a divorcee than a bachelor.'

I don't like the negative comments about Prince Philip. He's had a very harsh life. He's extremely politically incorrect. How about we put him up against Cardi B?

DL is such a funny place. Everyone's worth is measured solely by physical attractiveness, even amongst the fraus who post on these BRF threads. So Bea, who by most standards is slim and attractive, is doomed to be cheated on or divorced because she doesn't look like a supermodel.

Prince Philip ordered the hit on Diana and was never brought to justice.

R35, same as Cheney masterminding 9/11, yep?

You gullible spaz.

'With Prince Andrew's troubles they will probably go to double lengths to keep it cost/criticism free, so probably no carriage ride, unless Beatrice puts her hoof down'

She'll have exactly the same as Eugenie had, so definitely a carriage ride. I think her dress will be more fitted than Eugenie's as she has a slimmer waist.

Hope they do a week-long wedding with all sorts of lunches and parties because - FERGIE .

I agree this is reminiscent of Thierry and Christina O. The poor guy looks like he is waiting for death in the B&W photos.

(Paraphrasing the late Queen Mum) What's all this Italian/continental nonsense? Edo is English born and bred. His English mother divorced Edo's Italian father Alessandro (Alex) when Edo was 3. She then married the very English Christopher Shale, whom Edo considered far more a father than Alex to the extent that Edo named his son after Shale.

At least we know now why the Harkles kept baby Archie hidden away - he’s the spitting image of grandpa Tom Markle. There’s a bit of fucking irony.

R41 I can’t see that at all. I can only see Harry...and a very wonky eye like Meghan has.

Will be funny if he grows up looking like one of the Markle hillbillies, though!

OP, why don't you just pay the $1.50 so we don't have multiple BRF threads running at the same time? Surely you're not THAT hard up???

That is not a cute baby. He's chubby, bald, and has close-set, small eyes, one of which is comically crossed. He looks like he will be ginger, when he finally gets some hair.

Archie is a very average looking baby, both MM and Harry were cuter babies. Now we know why she kept him hidden, narc mothers are into their kids being attractive. She probably wanted Archie to have blue eyes too.

Yikes. The cringe of incorrectly calling her “Princess Diana” in their IG posts.

According to today's DM, Meghan told women entrepreneurs in Africa that she was determined to "fulfill my heart's desires" (because becoming an royal duchess, living the high life on other people's dimes, and becoming an A-List celebrity by marrying the highest profile British male's whose dick she could get her mouth on wasn't any of them) and has no intention of allowing her royal duties to stop her . . .

Can you imagine the BRF waking up and reading that this morning?

"We do so apologise for getting in your way, Meghan."

R47 is the “Her Royal Majesty” troll. He consistently repeats that style of address, as if it exists. It’s just “Her Majesty”, R47; that’s it. Also, she wouldn’t style herself in her signature. She signs as “ER” for “Elizabeth Regina”.

R29, see R15 aka my humble self.

R48 - Jesus, get a life. It's just a cute tag line, not a letter addressed to the Queen.

R34, I think Bea looks fine. And being in love certainly agrees with her; she’s looking lovely these days!

I think those comments are more of an indictment of Edo than Bea. He seems like a bit of a cad, and not really husband material. We all know couples like this in real life. Sometimes it works out, and I’m hoping it does, for Bea’s sake.

R44 Most babies are chubby and if they aren't they are considerably less adorable than the chubby ones, and of course he's bald, very few Caucasian babies aren't (which, no matter how the fraus on CB try to deny it, to all intents and purposes, Archie IS, and just what his mother wanted), and you can see the darker hair already coming in over the ginger hair. Most babies lose all the hair they were born with within a few months. My guess is he is going to be tall and fair with brown hair and dark eyes.

R47-between that statement (an echo of "they make it so hard, don't they?") and Harry's lamentation that it's just so darn hard for him to get out bed in the morning with all the world's problems, it's no wonder the public despises this duo so much. Every time I think they can't be any more cringeworthy, they prove me wrong.

Jacques Chirac has died. Here he is with the Queen at a state dinner.

I'm surprised Duchess Diva didn't make this trip with Harry.

Edo is very handsome. Looks a little bit like the delectable Harry Styles. Their children will be super cute with gorgeous auburn hair and big green eyes.

I don't think Harry realises that the constant resurrection of Diana isn't doing him any favours, as the public generally is "over" the St. Diana bit (especially the younger ones who weren't even born when she died), and the woman he married is so lacking in the qualities that made his mother so entrancing an idea (because mostly that's what icons are, ideas) that the contrast hurts, so don't bring the idea up.

No matter how they try, they always, always, always look like they're trying and come off as pompous and phonier than $3 bills, as they say across the Pond.

I don’t think Archie is especially chubby. Babies are supposed to be fat! They need it. I’ve seen some real butterball babies, and they almost always grow to be especially tall and lean. He seems perfectly healthy and normal.

R48 is the Titles Troll. Has berated people over the course of nearly a 100 threads when they have dared to get a mode of address slightly wrong. She's also the Raptured Troll and claims to be have insider knowledge of the royal accounts, including info about how Charles 'liquidized assets' to pay off Diana.

Definitely the most arrogant person on the thread.

Bea has been dating Edo for less than a year, so she'll be married after dating him for less than two years. As Shakespeare put it, 'tis not a year or two shows us a man.' Often the happiest couples (like Killiam) were together for five years or more before they married. Even Harghan were together for three years.

Check my history; I’m definitely not that interesting R59. I just like following the rules.

Bedo are an odd pair. I think she's in deep, sexual thrall to him and loves the soppy romantic declarations, such as the one he made on her Instagram. She's keen to catch up with Eug so is letting it all happen.

Fergie sounded as if she has early onset Alzheimers in her post about the engagement: 'I am so proud of this sensational news.' Really? How can you be proud of news?

R61, Don't feel bad. That asshole just digs and digs to find any reason to insult the other posters here. Because she has nothing else to offer.

R57-and at this point I think his "poor boy behind the coffin" shtick has become completely transparent. He's played that card one too many times. Lots of people lose parents as children. They don't milk it for sympathy into their 30s like Harry, ever the put-upon victim, continues to do. William wasn't much older, and he never pulls the St. Diana card to bolster his popularity.

What ever happened to the "Music Troll" that loved to go around singing songs from the Pet Shop Boys?

I have not seen that Troll around in a very long time. I hope it did not meet a tragic demise and is just incarcerated somewhere in foreign land.

C'mon now, let's turn our thoughts to which tiara Bea will wear! I hope it's a big one!

I hope Bea wears whichever tiara was MegTungsten's arrogant second choice that she was also denied. And since Megs is busy fulfilling her non-royal heart's desires, it shouldn't bother her in the least.

I just hope Beatrice doesn't discover the existence of this bridal line before the big day. I fear it's right up her street.

Speaking of land mines, what does Markle have in common with them?

Both easy to lay but difficult, dangerous and expensive to get rid of.

Should we start a pool?

I give the Bea/Edo marriage two kids and ten years before they split up. It will be a relatively smooth divorce, and Edo will keep his mouth shut afterwards and not embarrass the royal family.

Their kids will have the most gorgeous bug eyes.

Another spectacle before gran dies off. You know King Charles would just tell this cad and cow to elope in Italy and bugger-eye off.

Is Edo's mother as big a social climber as Carole Middleton?

Does anyone know who she is?

Bea will probably wear the York tiara but I would love Granny to loan her the Vladimir with the giant emeralds.

Oh come on guys, baby Archie is a cutie-patootie and you know it. Don't let your disdain for his mother delude you into thinking that's not an adorable baby.

Red and green should never been seen.... emeralds wouldn't look good with her hair colour... she should stick with pearls and ivories... soften her up.

I had also read that William disliked/distrusted Dave Clark, Bea's bf of 10 years. It was over some allegedly leaked information. Would that be enough to break up Bea and Dave?

Frankly, marrying into the York family would be enough to put me off. I have always felt really, really sorry for the York girls having such disgraceful parents....

I had also read that William disliked/distrusted Dave Clark, Bea's bf of 10 years. It was over some allegedly leaked information. Would that be enough to break up Bea and Dave?

Frankly, marrying into the York family would be enough to put me off. I have always felt really, really sorry for the York girls having such disgraceful parents....

R74-I believe the York tiara hasn't been seen in decades. Some theorize Fergie sold it during one of her many financial downturns. That would be a shame. It's a splendid piece.

[quote]I had also read that William disliked/distrusted Dave Clark, Bea's bf of 10 years. It was over some allegedly leaked information.

What a dick. Freedom of speech.

If I had to guess, the York sisters when they were teenage girls together went and tried on every single tiara in the royal collection with granny’s full approval. Wouldn’t you?

Both Beatrice and Eugenie most likely chose their wedding tiaras long ago.

R81-the image of two preteen girls trying on granny's jewels made me smile.

The image of mama Fergie tripping the security alarms at day's end makes me smile more.

Now that Jack Brooksbank is a part of the family will he be tasked with babysitting Fergie during Bea's wedding so that Eugenie can be a proper Maid of Honor to Bea or will both Eugenie and Jack be needed to corral Fergie which will once again leave Andrew to perform double duty as Father of the Bride and Wedding Dress Adjuster.

That's a good point, R84. I thought it was a bit odd that Beatrice didn't walk behind Eugenie - I've never seen any other wedding in which the maid of honour doesn't walk behind (or in front of) the bride - so I do think it was just that they needed her to keep Fergie company. Jack escorted Fergie into the church at Harry's wedding, I think.

R76 redheads with green eyes usually can wear green.

I know what I'm talking about.

Beatrice looks wonderful in green.

Beatrice looks wonderful in nothing. She's surprisingly presentable on a good day. Worst taste in the family and that's a high bar.

I actually like Bea's adventurous style. Her ensemble at Will and Kate's wedding was memorable (in a good way).

Bea's fascinator at William and Kate's wedding was just hilarious. But the rest of her outfit looked lovely.

It was Eugenie's outfit that day that was atrocious. The entire ensemble was a sartorial abomination.

R89 - You jest. You liked the toilet seat hat? The rest, I grant you, was quite nice, and if she'd selected a less ridiculous wouldn't have come out a mockery.

Adventurous isn't the word for it: appalling is.

The hat was a joke and it made a joke out of Bea - it not only wore her, it wore most of the rest of the congregation.

Meghan has apparently made a "secret pilgrimage" to the site where a young girl was raped and murdered, as a "gesture".

Apparently, it wasn't as secret as all that, as the DM has an article up on it.

So secret it's in Hello!

ssshhh! She didn’t want anyone to know, guys!

Regarding Beatrice's engagement ring, Shaun Leane designs unique, signature wedding bands to pair with his engagement rings. She may end up with something that looks much less classic after the wedding.

Her super special caligraphy even played a role, shhhhhhhhh!!!

Regarding Beatrice's engagement ring, Shaun Leane designs unique, signature bands to match his engagement rings. Her ring may look much less classic after the wedding.

Lady Gabriella was out and about. Love her dress, color is divine!

A few days back, there were threads about actors who look upper crusty/patrician. Lady Gabriella would never be mistaken for anything but. She oozes “rich girl”.

Why did all those media outlets impinge on poor the Duchess’s right to privacy? She was just trying to do a good deed without any fanfare, and those damn press hounds sniffed her out, despite her best efforts.

Now everyone knows. Tsk tsk.

I prefer Beatrice's ring to Eugenie's and Fergie's (linked below). Not that there's anything wrong with coloured jewels in an engagement ring, but I don't really like the cluster of diamonds around them. It's a bit too showy.

I still don't understand how Fergie screwed that marriage up. How's that working out for you now? Dumb ass.

I called it last year: Bea would be married within a year of her sister. It must have been humiliating to be babysitting Mum while her baby sister swanned up the aisle.

Edo won't work out, but Bea will get lovely children out of it, and her ex will be canny enough to keep his mouth shut. Win-win.

Another Royal Forum just got closed due to Racism claims. Does anyone know which one?

R104, probably the one about the Dreadful Duo's SA trip. Megstans scream racism, though, whenever anyone criticizes Meghan. They can't understand some people just think she's a joke.

The Groom Was Prettier Than The Bride...Oh Sadie, Sadie Married Lady.....

The baby wore H&M. Just in case anyone wondered and wants to buy it for their baby too.

This York/Sussex feud is too funny. I predict that Meghan will be preggers again by the time Bedo tie the knot next spring, just so she can steal some focus at the nuptials.

[QUOTE] What ever happened to the "Music Troll" that loved to go around singing songs from the Pet Shop Boys?

Sometimes, you're better off dead

The Welp Troll is here, and posting on the thread

The Tiara Troll is mad, so unstable

Kicking in doors and knocking down tables.

[QUOTE]Red and green should never been seen.... emeralds wouldn't look good with her hair colour... she should stick with pearls and ivories... soften her up

The saying is 'BLUE and green should never be seen', you spaz. Redheads with pale skin and green eyes look wonderful in emeralds.

I hope people aren't going to bitch and bash Bedo just for the sake of it.

I got it from this spaz, around 15:52, but of course you're so much smarter.

Oh, wait! The Welp Troll is here?!? OP is jizzing in her tiny granny panties and writhing on the floor!

The Queen is wrong, R110? Tell us. Don't be shy. You seem to know everything else.

I would like to ask a question. And I phrase my question very, very humbly. This is a very interesting question for me (I'm American). I think it's really interesting that the British Isles house so many different languages. English, itself is quite diverse, but then there's Welsh, Scottish, and Gaelic. And even Cornish, which is supposed to be extinct. The people n the Channel Islands supposedly speak French (which the Queen apparently speaks). If I joined the British Monarchy (yes, I've imagined that), I think I would want to learn Welsh. But aren't their languages difficult to learn? I could spend my whole day trying to figure this out, and I just figured DL would tell me how it works. And my Brit bruvvers usually call me a cunt, but I know that's what Brits do.

Tiara time bitches. I really hope Bea grabs the Queen Mary Sapphire Bandeau out of the vault for her wedding.

R115, Wow. That helps explain Margaret's glamor. She really was an amazing force, in her own right.

Welsh isn't grammatically difficult but speaking it is pretty full on.

Is Adam Bidwell on the tour with Harry?

Bea is definitely rushing into it. Baby sister and all her adult cousins are married.

"Somebody marry me before I spend the rest of my life with my mother!"

Interesting blind about the relationship ....

I bet Dara Huang was shocked to be abandoned for Bea York. Bea may be polite and charming, but she has not distinguished herself in any laudable way in her 31 years and as to her looks and sex appeal, she is a 6 on a good day. And how can it be anything but mortifying to be associated with Andy and Fergie? Bea was said to be devastated by her ex of 10 years jumping ship. This was supposed to be due to William's distrust and dislike of her ex. I wonder what relations are now between William and Bea. I know the cousins are said to have been close when they were younger, but it's clear that William wants to rid the RF of any member he deems a threat to his status as future king, ie Andy and MM.

Is William that invested in his "status as a future king"? I've always read that he's pretty ambivalent about the institution and wouldn't mind if the whole thing was abolished after his grandmother's death.

He certainly used to feel that way, R122, but he has recently gotten on board, maybe with the thought of all that lovely money coming his way. He would also likely want to protect his children's legacy.

Yes, R128, he is - because two apparently straight males are unable to be in each other’s company without being overcome by the urge to fuck. Harry and Adam are gay gay gay!

^^ Make that R118

R121 I don't think Dara gives a toss tbh, she's too busy travelling around the world being fabulous. Word is she doesn't look after her kid much either, Edo is the primary parent and I guess Bea will be too.

Why on earth would Willilam's status as King be threatened in any way by his cousin, whoi is 9th in line to the throne? How much time do you think Bea and Eugenie and their husbands are really around William and Kate? It's not like they have kids and live next door and are constantly having play dates.

William may not have liked Dave Clark and if he also doesn't like Edo, and given it's a safe bet he hates Meghan Markle's guts, I'd say that these days William is definitely the smartest guy in BP's 600 rooms.

But the 9th in line can marry the dustman if she likes. She doesn't need William's permission or the Queen's, for that matter. And no hubby of Bea's could possily represent a threat to William as King - at most, an annoyance.

Now his brother's wife . . . that's another story in terms of damage to the monarchy.

R122 This is a bit of a rumour, apparently William said it once to Diana when he was a teenager and she told someone else who told a journalist. It's a non story that suddenly was resurrected when MM came on the scene. William has been training to be King all his life with his Granny, learning all the constitutional stuff from her.

R101 That is Eugenie's engagement ring on the left. Beatrice's engagement ring is below.

Hmph! You mean, Diana either betrayed his confidence, or even made it up, and told a journalist. The kid was what? 14? when she died. Diana's project was to tell everyone that nobody wanted the crown after the queen. I think it was an "if I'm not having it no-one is" moment.

r127, Yes, seems to be a wierd theme that William is this mad controller. Bea had a bad boyfriend but it's Will's fault? If they said he bailed because of her parents then fair enough, but a cousin then no chance. The Yorks have a fabulous home and money enough,they do not fear number two.

Tiaras are for amateurs, R81. As soon as I'm allowed, I shall be trying on Crowns.

r130, Diana knew she had effed up at that point so was trying to destroy in her wake.

Wounded wives never forget what a slag she was.

Good morning, R110. Anything you'd like to say?

Sorry R101 I misread your post. You weren't saying that was Beatrice's ring.

Dear Bea:

If he did it with you, he’ll do it to you.

Love,

People with experience

Diana and Meghan have that victim thing going on. “They’re so MEAN to me!”

The people who can’t see it are people who do it, themselves.

I assumed Eugenie’s pink sapphire choice was largely budget driven. If her fiancé couldn’t afford a high quality 2-carat diamond people would make snarky comments and she would have to always wear a ring that really didn’t “match” her lifestyle. Not saying Eugenie cared that much, but why not go with a different option and have a really knockout sapphire ring? I like it.

I was rooting for MM to do better, but between the “secret” visit and her “heart’s desires” bullshit I’ve given up. She is AWFUL.

I hope it works out for Beatrice. Between the teeth, eyes, and dyslexia she really got shafted in the genetic lottery.

Actually, Meghan also was dating someone else (the hot Toronto chef) when she met Harry. She ditched the chef in an eyeblink, and she and Harry spent a lot of time twisting the "timeframe" story around to coverup Meghan's cheating when she saw a better catch.

So Diana, Meghan, and now Bea are all members of the First Past the Post With Your Husbnad/Fiancee Club.

Diana probably figured that Julia Carling and that model Dodi Fayed had stashed away in a yacht nearby with a huge sapphire and diamond engagement ring on as he followed Papa's orders and wooed Diana instead, were her payback to the Universe for Camilla Parker-Bowles. Oh, did I forget to mention what she put Oliver Hoare's wife through?

The courts may be a bit shabby in righting the scales of justice, but karma never is. Karma is always the sharpest blade in the drawer.

Speaking of infidelity, there's a delicious article up on the DM about Snowden's cheating on Margaret and a memoir by the woman who helped Margaret lick her wounds by introducing her to that toy boy on Mustique.

Why, it's all so awful, One doesn't know where to look, does One?

R138 - I think Eugenie's ring was a matter of choice, not budget, and was plenty expensive. If Brooksbank wanted a screaming headlight for Eugenie, he'd have managed it. And genuine, unheated, natural Padparadscha sapphires of that size are hardly cheap - next to a first water Kashmir sapphire, it's probably the most epxensive sapphire on the market. They're rare in their unheated form and the colour is perfect, exaclty the sort of peachy orange popsicle colour this type of sapphire is famous for. I think it's beautiful and suits Eugeni perfectly.

I like both girls' rings - they're very good examples in their respective styles. I also am fond of Kate's "Diana ring". The only one I thought positively ugly was Meghan's, which also would have been perfectly all right without those two side stones on either side of the solitaire. It would have been so much classier without them - it ended by looking far more cluttered than Eugenie's hunk of platinum with baguettes, a large solitaire, and smaller rounds on the shoulders.

^*Bea's hunk of platinum and . . . (not Eugenie's)

R140

"Tiaras are for amateurs, [R81]. As soon as I'm allowed, I shall be trying on Crowns."

—Princess Charlotte"

Dear Charlotte - How many times have I told you, dear, that there is only one "crown" that matters, and your grandfather and father will be handliing that one for years to come.

That said, dear, you may get a chance earlier on if you keep writing to Prince Christian next door, as he is likely to be wearing one much sooner and as his consort, you would be perfectly placed to become a Crown Princess after his Mum, Mother Goose Meg, bites the dust and Frederik and Mary get their chance. You will be exactly the right age for him when he's thirty. Do not underestimate the title CROWN Princess.

Now, your Gran is busy scouting country homes around the Fredensborg area so that the Glucksbergs will be nearby and likely invite your Mum and Dad and sibs over occasionally on the long summer vac. (Between suitably timed visits to Balmoral, of course.)

Be a good girl, practice your Danish so you are fully prepared when the day comes, and stop the nonesense about St. Edward's Crown.

Mum

P.S. You know that thing isn't a real ruby, right, but a spinel? Mum

^ so clever and witty.

R98 - Lady Gabriella is quite an armful, isn't she. Carries it very nicely, too.

r142, Excellent! thanks for the chuckles.

R126 Ha, of course I have no idea what Dara is up to, but personally if I were going to be dumped, I'd console myself with the thought that it was for a member of the Royal Family. And luckily, her kid ensures that it's a forever connection.

R144 Are you saying she has a lovely bosom? If so, I agree!

R144 - Well, yes, she does, but I was referring more to her overall statuesqueness: tall, not fine-boned by a long shot but large in a nice sort of way. She looks, ironicially, exactly like what the Queen used ironically to call Ella's mother, Pss. Michael, "Our Val" (short for Valkyrie). Only Ella' s Valkyrie-ish is not so in your face as Pss. Michael's. And she looks like a much nicer person.

Pity she can't sing - she'd be marvelous as Isolde in Tristan or Freya in the Ring Cycle, keeper of the Golden Apples.

But she's still a bit too soft for Brunhilde or Fricka. Her mother will have to take those roles on for awhile longer.

R140, I thought I had read somewhere that the estimated cost of Eugenie’s ring was 20k. But I just googled and found something that said 30-50. Either way, I think her ring was a great choice.

R146 - I think Dara's congratulatory message was strictly in the interests of her child's relationship with his father, and that privately I wyould bet she'd like to wring Edo's and Bea's necks till they both turned blue. But for her son's sake, his tie to his father must be out there and public, so that Edo can't get away with neglecting the boy for any children he has with Bea without looking like the douche bag that I, personally, think he is.

The "uniting our families" phrase was in my opinion less an olive branch than a warning: "we" share a powerful link: your husband is my son's father, your children and my son will be half-siblings, and if you appear to forget it, I'm here to remind you. The world is watching.

R124, you are clearly uninformed. He is heavily involved in Sentebale.

[QUOTE] . I know the cousins are said to have been close when they were younger, but it's clear that William wants to rid the RF of any member he deems a threat to his status as future king, ie Andy and MM.

This rewriting of mild mannered William as Prince Machiavelli is hilarious, do carry on.

[QUOTE] Yes, [R128], he is - because two apparently straight males are unable to be in each other’s company without being overcome by the urge to fuck. Harry and Adam are gay gay gay!

The person who keeps saying Harry and Adam are gay is the Welp Troll. She also claims Jessica Mulroney and MM are a gay couple. The Welp Troll firmly believes that 80% of attractive celebs are gay and closeted.

That would align her with about 80% of DL posters.

Spitting Image is back and here are Harry and Meghan's puppets. Yikes.

If she makes a "secret" visit, then why post it on the Sussex Royal Instagram?

More photos of Harry, Meghan and Archie on their visit to Desmond Tutu.

Meghan is the Queen of Virtue signaling.

Meghan and Archie traveling within South Africa.

Swipe for photos of the uncanny resemblance between Beatrice and Queen Victoria.

Poor Bea, she has the worst style.

Why does she so often carry the baby so close to her chest (see at R159). It just looks so awkward.

Don't most mothers and fathers either have the baby in a sling or carry the baby up on their shoulder.

They use those slings with the baby facing out.

These methods allow the baby to watch what's going on around them and appear to be more secure and comfortable all around.

She was holding him the same way at that polo match.

Almost as if she doesn't want him to be able to see around him.

Or she doesn't want people to see him.

Very odd.

When will Archie makes his balcony debut along with entire family? It will be interesting to see the dynamic amongst all the children....will any of the other children be at all familiar with or interact with Archie?

R163 - the Royal Family don't make many Buckingham Palace balcony appearances anymore. In the past, it was for big weddings, end of wars, Jubilees and Trooping The Colour.

Archie will probably make his balcony debut for the Queen's "official" birthday next June (eg. Trooping the Colour).

The dangling tendrils are missing re R155's pic

R57-oh my god, she used the word "feticide." I just can't with her.

R162-the ladies on Lipstick Alley talked about this yesterday. They suspect it's because MM is afraid Archie will try to tug on her weave.

I meant "femicide" above. It autocorrected. It's official-Markle is the most annoying virtue-signaling woman on the planet.

Oh, the sapphire tiara is marvelous. Perfect for next spring's wedding. Congrats to the beautiful couple.

Hmm, no color images of the sapphire tiara? All the more reason for Bea to wear it!

R104 It was Royal Dish that shut its Harry and Meghan section again. Everyone detests Meghan and the comments were once again getting deliciously snarky. One poor chap made the mistake of saying that in regards to the “I’m here as your sister” remark in her speech, Meghan has been “painting herself as Caucasian” her whole adult life. The admin is a humorless authoritarian who immediately called him out and shut it down.

Good to hear that racist commentators are being shut down there, if not here.

Dearest Charlotte,

Don't be an amateur and go for tiara. It's obvious to anyone that you boss your older brother around. After he becomes king - which may come quicker than think - grab the George IV diadem from him. Tell him it makes him look unmanly - I'm sure he's sensitive to that.

Then wear this delicious as the Princess Royal.

R151 I know that Adam Bidwell is an ambassador with Sentebale. What he is not is Harry’s fuck buddy. You’re clearly the fantasist who wants to believe otherwise, because you have so little contact with heterosexual men that you can’t imagine that two straight men can be platonic friends.

Polo playing Nacho Figueras is also an ambassador for Sentebale. He’s very good looking - is Harry fucking him as well?

Time for you to trot out that old pic of Harry and Adam shirtless together in Vegas - because that proves your sad fantasy, right?

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R156 - :If she makes a "secret" visit, then why post it on the Sussex Royal Instagram?"

I assume that was a rhetorical question.

They are lovers. I read it on the Internet.

R168. please spell correctly as I thought someone was out there killing faeces..protect the poo!!

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I tried an anti Harry post on DS and was shot down in flames..still the people's moron for the Graunaid readers then.

R172, I don't come across racist comments on these threads very often. Yet we're constantly accused of being racist. Many of us have posted about the Royals before we ever heard about Meghan. When I see a racist post, I just FF them. That's what FFs are for. I was a big fan of Meghan when she first arrived on the scene. But now I find her smarmy and inauthentic. What is racist about having that opinion? This is an anonymous board (if you choose). You have no idea about any of our nationalities or origins, unless we choose to share, and even then, we could just lie. I'm not a fan of her, but I can't remember ever saying anything very harsh about her. I'd rather not talk about her at all. She's boring.

R178-"femicide" is from Markle's most recent word salad: "The Duchess of Sussex has tied a ribbon at the site where 19-year-old Cape Town student Uyinene Mrwetyana was murdered last month, to pay her respects and to show solidarity with those who have taken a stand against gender based violence and femicide. Over the last month in Capetown, protests erupted through the streets in outrage over GBV in South Africa." For some reason her failure to include a hyphen for "gender-biased" bothers me. I mean, really!

R182. yes I know. I made a crap ( hehe), joke about the original misspell of fecicide.

I think a simple image of the memorial and the information about the young girl's life and the crime would have been the correct thing. But hey I don't do fancy writing or instagram so what would I know.

R184 - What?! And miss a chance to remind the fickle public of my Woke Feminist creds?!

(As I head off to another luxurious guest house paid for by someone else thanks to the high profile man I was clever enough to marry, who gave me my title, my fame, and my fab lifestyle).

Same reason she would hold her bump in such an exaggerated manner during the pregnancy. Everything this low rent woman does has to be extra. Someone needs to tell her that she doesn't need to hold his head anymore.

The entire thing screams "Look at me holding my royal baby! He's so important that I have to limit his viewing!"

I fully expect her to pull some attention whoring stunt at Bea's wedding. Or to be a no show in order to put the focus on herself.

r186, i fully expect that the Sussexes will not be on the guest list.

MM holds Archie extremely awkwardly when she is standing / walking, but she looked very natural with him in the seated photos with Tutu. And Archie looked very relaxed and happy. I’m guessing that for some weird reason she never walks with him. Maybe because she doesn’t have to. It’s not like she has him on a hip while vacuuming or making dinner.

That is an odd way to hold a baby. Poor Archie can’t see anything and has his little face squashed into mum’s bony chest. If nothing else, it’s a vivid reminder of how controlling Meghan is. Archie is a sweet baby but with a mother like that he could grow up to be a defiant hellraiser.

R189, I hope so. We just spent an afternoon and evening with a woman who has three kids (most of their care was by a nanny). She was holding her last kid, a 2-year old, so awkwardly. He was sliding out of her grip, and looked terribly uncomfortable and was squawking. She just kept talking and drinking.

Some people are just bad at handling babies/kids.

Holding him in the more natural position with his face peeping over her shoulder would obscure her own face. With photographers around, she can’t have that.

' I fully expect that the Sussexes will not be on the guest list.'

Really? How utterly unrealistic are you? Seriously, the press scrutiny over that omission would overshadow her wedding completely. You really are one of the least intelligent people I have ever come across.

It would be kind of hard to fuck up simply having a baby sit on your lap. Either way, everything she does looks so fucking exaggerated and fake.

There is a video that shows Archie starting to kick and fuss, obviously overstimulated, but then it cuts out.

But if posters don’t invent some crazy ass drama behind the scenes, what will they fill these threads with, R192?

Also, Kate is on a campaign to have Meghan banned from the UK after Brexit. She just can’t deal with Meg’s fakeness anymore. The movement is gaining popularity in Parliament!

Right. Because it's much more entertaining to read 300 replies crying about how everyone is racist for not worshiping this strong woman of color.

[quote]You really are one of the least intelligent people I have ever come across

I agree the notion they won't get invited is wholly wrong. But on behalf of the person you also felt it necessary to deem one of the least intelligent people you have ever come across: fuck off, you pompous ass. Wholly unnecessary. If you had any manners you'd apologize.

I am always pleased to receive advice from Her Majesty's subjects, whom I regard very much as My Peeps.

I am thus grateful to R173 concerning the George IV Diadem, which is indeed a very pretty piece, though you may be overestimating the sensitivities of my brother: the most famous male ballet dancer since Baryshnikov.

R142's tone is rather patronising, but one must accept one's people as one finds them, I suppose. I am not yet of an age to be expert in gemstones, so it is ungentle to quiz me in such a way. I will be taught these things when I am old enough to use my own brooches to quell visiting Heads of State.

Prince Christian's father is not so much older than my own Papa that (God Save Papa) Christian can expect to succeed with much greater speed than my brother. More to the point, I am not my maternal grandmother, but I have her example in my sights. Is it worth all that just to MARRY a crown? History would suggest not. My personal powers may be better used in the service of my own nation (particularly if this Brexit nonsense plays out as expected), if not as its Queen then in some other capacity.

That is not to disparage Prince Christian, who is, I am sure, a charming young man. Who knows what my views about him may be when I have grown beyond worrying about Boy Germs?

No way in hell they won't invite the Harkles. But expect them to use little Archie to dominate press coverage. This woman is insane.

[QUOTE] Wholly unnecessary. If you had any manners you'd apologize.

Very pleased that I hit SUCH a nerve without even swearing. I notice you are fine with Meghan supporters being called cunts.

Archie looks like Meghan's father.

Archie looks like Harry.

Archie is going to look exactly like Meghan's redheaded slob of a half-brother, Thomas Markle Jr.

Archie looks like his dad.

I would be surprised if the Harkles weren't on Bea's guest list - the regrettable thing is, Harry has been reasonably close to his cousins and is fond of them. Hence, the inclusion of Fergie on the guest list at his own wedding.

That said, the entire family, with the possible exception of Harry's father, hates the woman Harry married, and if they could leave her off the guest list, I'm sure they would. My guess is, Charles feels saddened by Harry's marriage but can't bring himself to engage in the animosity the rest of the family feels free to engage in, as they don't have so delicate a relationship to him as Charles does.

They could always say that they are having a more modest royal wedding and restricting the guest list only to their closest friends and relatives, and invite only the Queen, the Cambridges, and C&C, but I suspect neither Edo nor Bea want a more modest royal wedding: they want the full monty.

They could leave them off the guest list if feeling ran very strong, and the Harkles can hastily arrange some other activity they just have to do on the day off, once they know it, so everyone saves face.

But that will fool no one, and simply continue the narrative that Meghan has managed to separate Harry from his entire family in a short time, that she and he are members of the BRF only in name and insofar as that name will get Meghan the "career" she wants.

Of course, she could get herself up the duff again very quickly and plead infirmity on the day and Harry could go alone. But she'll have to work quickly on that one.

R197 - Dearest Charlotte: Yes, it is a spinel. And, trust me, you will be doing far more for yourself and the monarchy here by becoming a future Queen Consort of Denmark than becoming the future Princess Anne. As for Britain itsel, well, One may hope and pray but I wouldn't hold my breath. We'll be lucky at this rate, if your Aunt Meghan has anything to do with it, if we're still here in 50 years. Take your mother's (and grandmother's - look how well she placed me and your Aunt Pippa!) advice and start planning now. Those Danish boys always marry outside Denmark - the Danes would be thrilled to havye a bona fide royal as a future consort one day (not that Mary hasn't made a good thing of it, just like yours truly). But you, my dear, are in another category.

And, yes, it is a spinel not a ruby. By the way, have you had a chance to look at the ruby and diamond parure Queen Margrethe gave to Mary upon her marriage to Crown Prince Frederik? Tiara, necklace, bracelet, earrings. Daisy (that is, Dronning Margrethe) has quite a respectiable collection, including some spectacular emerald pieces, which will go nicely one day with your colouring, as it is so similar to mine).

Leave Britain to your grandfather, father, and eventually, older brother to handle. That is their appointed Burden.

In closing, dearest daughter, if you ever use the word "patronising" again toward your future Queen, I shall take you across my knee and show you just how patronising I can be.

Affectionately, Mum

R204 had an entire conversation with herself to think up those scenarios. Entertaining indeed.

lol, r206.

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Catherine:

'She is very clear on her priorities and the values that guide how she lives and works.’

And palace insiders have also given an insight into how the mother- of-three runs her household to achieve her aims, adopting a surprisingly collegiate approach.

‘She takes the time to listen to ideas from the most junior members in her team,’ said a source.

‘Afterwards they’ll say, “Wow, she knows my name. She asked me what I thought.”

‘She is also loyal and if you make a mistake will back you regardless.’

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R206 - It's a place for idle gossip or hadn't you noticed? Where are we now . . . Thread 95?

We're not approaching 100 threads (and that's just the BRF, never mind the individual Harry/Meghan, Bea/Edo threads) because people are simply talking to themselves.

Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, cunt.

And since we know that the Yorks especially can't stand Meghan Markle, it's not beyond amusing to wonder how they're going to get around inviting her to Bea's wedding.

If that bothers you, do move on.

You, too, Della.

I don't imagine that Megs would want an invite to Bea's wedding. All eyes will be on Fergie, waiting/hoping for another one of her outlandish social missteps/faux pas. And Megs is not one to be side-lined.

R208 - Oh, dear - it cannot be accidental that this appears a couple of days after Meghan Markle whinged where she could be heard that her "royal duties" aren't going to force her to give up hopes of fulfilling her "heart's desires". (I wonder how Harry felt hearing Meghan announce that the life and title and wealth that Harry helped her obtain weren't her heart's desires, after all - just a pain in the arse she puts up with whilse she pursued her REAL aims in life)

But dutiful Kate is all about "Queen Country Family", her staff adore her whilst Meghan the Diva Duchess goes around Doing Good Far Away in Africa (about which UK taxpayers at home don't have two fucks to give, especially right now).

The Cambs have zeroed in on Meghan's weak spots and are playing to those rather than trying to compete in the Wokest Royal Couple sweepstakes.

Clever, clever Kate. The fraus on CB always underestimated you.

R213 It’s not even as if Kate had to come up with the well-planned strategy herself. She and Will just had to take the advice of their staff and public relations people who do it for a living.

[quote]And since we know that the Yorks especially can't stand Meghan Markle, it's not beyond amusing to wonder how they're going to get around inviting her to Bea's wedding.

Actually, we know nothing of the kind. It's popular conjecture around here but there's been nothing public to confirm a rift. What we do know is that the royal family doesn't like public rifts. Dim and that regrettable wife of his will be at the wedding.

Another thing I know: you're a total idiot and blocked. You have a good day.

Your boring fan fic/daydreams aren't gossip, r211. Get a blog.

It's laughable that you want to persuade us that BP would allow the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to not be invited to a wedding of one of Q E II's grandchildren, even if the Bride wants to scratch out the eyes of Markle. In fact, if the bride actually felt that way, that would be even more reason not to allow that.

Most sane observers know that BP knows that would create a PR debacle. I could take a running start, flap my arms and fly over Lake Michigan before that happens.

The best, most entertaining gossip is extrapolated from observable reality, not that which is pulled outta your ass.

R214 - Advice isn't enough: you have to be able to carry it out as though you mean it, which Kate has dibe - she could easily have gotten rattled by all the fuss about Meghan and her Woke Progressive Persona. But she didn't. She stuck to her own game, which, because it suits her so well, has an aura of authenticity that all Meghan's loud posturing doesn't. Meghan comes off always as acting for the cameras. Kate comes off as . . . Kate.

[quote]The Welp Troll firmly believes that 80% of attractive celebs are gay and closeted.

Is it your first day on Datalounge, you dumbshit motherfucker?

R216 - All gossip especially here is pulled out of the arse because none of us know these people for real. Get a grip, will you? Speculation if fun. Fan/fic is fun. If you don't like it, eat it and move on.

And if you read the first line of my post, you'll see that it says: "I would be surprised if the Harkles weren't on Bea's guest list . . ."

I've seen enough fantasist stuff on DL in my years here to sink the Queen Mary. Yeah, I indulge a bit. So what? It's fun.

I don't call you names when I disagree with your views, which I've respondeyd to on occasion respectfully and politely.

Sod that from now on. You're blocked.

R219 is right, Della, you’re terribly pompous on this topic. A lot of “Everyone who criticizes Meghan is racist except ME.”

Your posts used to be reasonable, what happened?

I think the Palace told the Fail and others to calm down with the criticism. This tell me the BRF still want Harry and incidentally Meghan to be part of the Firm.

We have positive articles on Kate and the Harkles on the same day. The Daily Fail is praising them all for shit, saying Kate has changed so much when she did not and everything about the Harkles are positive now.

I tell you, BP wants to push the younger generation even if they have to promote Meghan for that. Let's forget about Andrew being a perv and the Queen being an old bat doing unconstitutional stuff.

R219, I, for one, enjoy your Princess Charlotte monologues. Do carry on.

Della probably is a secret CB operative sent on here to slowly try to win us all over with her intellectualism and witty repartee.

CockyBoys, R223?

R223 - She's probably Kaiser herself.

R221 Sorry but I cannot take anyone seriously who calls the DM the "Daily Fail"

Oh, God, don't encourage those Princess Charlotte monologues. They are the opposite of funny. Wordy, leaden... the strength of satire is truth... those things rely on Google.

R226 Damn, you're so fragile.... By the way, I don't care if you take me seriously or not, I don't need you approval.

Where would we be without the multi-paragraph troll talking to herself in these threads?

Go on and write another drawn out essay, hun. My breakfast quiche is going to take fucking forever.

I call it the Daily Maul. Am I commanded to pack as well?

Kate has come a long way. I recall long ago reading that she had panic attacks before speaking engagements. I think that is why she never gave one interview or made one speech in the 10 years she and Wills were dating/engaged. I've often thought if it were me, I'd have gotten up on a soapbox right away, pushing the causes close to my heart (animal welfare).

Certainly the Harkles will be at Bea's wedding. But they will have been warned to dress and behave in a way that doesn't attract undue attention, and they'd be fools to ignore that.

R227, when I encounter something boring or overly long, I simply stop reading and move on. I’m not expecting deathless prose on a gossip site, though wit and sharp observations are most welcome. In fact, I wish I had more of the latter to offer.

"But they will have been warned to dress and behave in a way that doesn't attract undue attention"

MM will wear the black Valentino (?) gown she just wore for Misha's wedding, secure in the notion that she will get good press as a good recycler of clothes while secretly gleeful that Bea gets a second-hand look.

Yes, you can bet MM will be wearing black or navy. Always so festive!

Archie's Mother will wear whatever fulfills her heart's desire to Bea's wedding, her needs will NOT fade away.

“Thanks, they don’t make it easy.”

Prince Andrew is still a part of the FBI’s ongoing Epstein investigation.

[QUOTE] MM will wear the black Valentino (?) gown she just wore for Misha's wedding, secure in the notion that she will get good press as a good recycler of clothes while secretly gleeful that Bea gets a second-hand look.

By mid 2020 that dress will be far too big for Meghan. Every time we see her she is a little bit thinner. Once she stops breast feeding and can resume her pre pregnancy diet and exercise regimen (yes, possibly including an appetite suppressant), all bets are off.

You don't maintain at size 8 UK for over twenty years to give up on it all after one pregnancy.

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That story was side eye shade at Megantoinette. I love the Maul. It is a terrible person.

R240-everything about that article was an oblique criticism of Markle. Nuggets like this: "There are some clever stylists behind the fashion makeover, certainly, but those who know the Duchess well say she deserves credit for having the humility to listen. This is not a trait shared by all members of the Royal Family." And this: "And gone are the clipped, faux-aristo tones she once used for public speaking in favour of a more natural voice. If there's one thing we've learnt from recent criticism of the monarchy, it's that the public have no time for royals posing as something they're not."

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R242, perhaps - and this is a theory I’ve pulled out of my ass - they are considering infectious diseases. Perhaps SA has a higher rate of vaccinated citizens, and The Earl wouldn’t have a risk of exposure to anything he hasn’t been vaccinated against. I’m not an expert, but I do know that, at his age, he only would have received a fraction of the vaccines he needs.

Of course, Meghan couldn’t possibly be separated from him for even half a day, even if they’re on the same continent.

^^ it’s not as if there’s a tennis match happening. Just a royal tour.

Eugenie was spotted on the phone in London. Swipe for photos. She's quite big in the mid-section.

What many people may not think about is how hard it can be for some of us to be public figures. R239's article makes that clear. I have a horror of public speaking, even though I've had to do it. And it seems like most people I know dread it. So it's a perfectly normal thing, for many of us. I think many of us can identify with Kate, who had to overcome her shyness, Its much harder to identify with Meghan, who was supposedly "ready to step right out the gate", and never found a camera she did't love.

Meghan hosted a breakfast for female leaders last week.

Eugenie could be pregnant or just fat, it's hard to know with her.

[quote]Eugenie was spotted on the phone in London. Swipe for photos. She's quite big in the mid-section.

Swipe for IMAX, more like. The wedding diet is obviously over.

Her top doesn't fit well. Her bra makes her breasts droop too.

If Huge is that wide, Meagan will not only to Bea's wedding, she'll stand next to Huge the whole time.

Meghan, girl, tie your hair for fuck sake.

Meghan looks good with the extra weight.

"Bitch, you're stealing the limelight".

Tiaras from recent weddings - Kate, Meghan, Eugenie and Gabriella.

Misha Nonoo's wedding gown (her second).

I don't know where this poster is getting their info but I'm guessing it's for this year so far.

As far as I know, there's no real reliable source for Royal work.

R257 That’s an impressively slutty-looking wedding gown.

MM looks like a barrel.

R243 - the lady with the Queen in that photo is her nephew's wife Serena. I don't see any Phillips family members only the Armstrong Jones family. Another major fail for the Daily Mail.

Jesus, R242, Hugenie lools like the Hildenburg. By her third semester she'll have problems walking up stairs.

Ouch, ouch, ouch:

"It is quite a contrast with the approach taken by Meghan, who seems to bring more than a touch of showbusiness to her duties. While the Sussex Instagram page features right-on quotes, the Cambridge updates are more in keeping with the Royal Family's way of doing things – raising awareness of charities, for example, and updating followers on engagements. And while Meghan came under fire for taking no fewer than six private jets over the summer, Kate made sure her family boarded a commercial plane to visit the Queen in Balmoral.

While Meghan continues to seek out the glamour of her acting days and uses her position to pursue her international ambition to change the world and 'break the internet', Kate's outlook is deliberately domestic – calculated to support both Britain and her own family. In her charitable work, the Duchess has picked organisations such as the Scouts that chime with her personal interests, including the natural world, sport, child development and photography."

Dear me, Kate's PR office has taken off the gloves with a vengeance. And the DM is only too happy to help out with that.

R251 - Horrible hair, horrible brassiere, horrible outfit.

R262 - It is a major error. Serena Lynley is about 10 years older than Autumn Phillips, and as the rest of the Lynleys were along as well, they should have caught the error. I think Serena quite stylish and I loved the deep brown velvet. Pity we didn't see more of Margarita, I think she is turning into quite a beauty.

I have never been able to make up my mind about Serena's wedding dress, though - it was so much like his mother's and I never could make up my mind about Margaret's, either.

I don't know how this never occurred to me before: if William and his kids are involved in a tragic accident, the UK will one day be ruled by King Archie. Seriously. King Archie. Or King Harrison, which sounds even worse.

After Charles is crowned, William and children will travel separately (cars, planes), I think?

Shouldn't that protocol already be in effect R268? If something happens to Williams family now or later, it'll still put Harry's family in the direct line of succession.

The world needs a King Archie - ideally he ascends the throne in his early 20s and forms part of a triangle with Lady Veronica, daughter of the Duke of Marlborough and Betty Sharpest - a little seamstress he visits in Leeds.

I on it. By when I say it, I'm being indelicate.

R251 I see Misha Nonoo has a picture of MM at this breakfast. Apparently that tank top is the "boyfriend tank' and she is honoured that the DoC chose to wear it. Such blatant advertising, it is so tacky.

R257 That dress is pretty average and not designed very well, Misha should stick to the boring shite she designs.

Misha Nonoo's wedding dress is an abomination--second only to her plain white shirt that sells for $154. You can get the same white shirt at any thrift store for $3.00.

R273, I’ve gotten beautiful white shirts like that for $7.99. Custom-made men’s shirts with French cuffs and good buttons.

And if you must buy new, H&M probably has the same thing for $29.99.

I doubt MM is nursing. She couldn’t have flown to the US were she.

Don't think she is, but she could have pumped.

R267 - King Archie is only a fond figment of Meghan Markle's imagination. I don't doubt that the BRF has taken the most stringent precautions about who flies the Cambridge's planes, and in a short time, Kate will be flying with George and William with Charlotte and Louis, or Kate with George and Louis, and William with Charlotte, or some variation thereof.

R262 - HELLO Magazine also ran the story with headline that it was Autumn Phillips. It doesn't even LOOK like Autumn Phillips, who is not only ten years younger than Serena Lynley, but a good deal chunkier.

William should not be flying commercial. This is a dangerous world. That, and his father isn't a young man. I'm surprised they (Charles and William) don't travel by military aircraft with the highest security.

MM will never have her pre-baby body back. She has filled out. Her arms and legs will be the only skinny thing about her.

R267, I would bet everything I own that MM thinks of that all the time. Planes crash all the time, right?

So near and yet so far!

Oh, Good Lord! I wasn't expecting to be cackling like a Kookabura, with just me just eating me morning Grape Nuts.

No one seems to remember the OTHER possible plane or auto accident that could take out the Sussexes who all travelling together because they have no succession reason not to, and bump Andrew up to sixth place and his daughters up two places, as well. Then HM would force Andrew to resign his place in the line of succession because of the Epstein scandal, and Bea and Eugenie would find thmselves 6th and 7th, at last needed senior working royals on the royal gravy train.

If that occurs, my first suspect would be Edo.

Does that gut Eugenie was displaying in those photos her recently put up (in an outfit so heinous it made Meghan's mosque dress look good) look like fat or baby? I think the former, as she wouldn't be displaying it so prominently without an announcement.

Perhaps she's waiting for the Sussexes to come home and then announce it so everyone forgets they're back.

R283 Next step, Edo and Meghan are long time lovers and plotted together all along.

I’m pretty sure Eugenie is just fat. Her breasts don’t look bigger and it’s mostly in her hips and thighs. Her waist is actually small for someone her size, despite the pot belly. She’ looks like she has a tendency towards actual obesity and will probably blow up when she finally does get pregnant.

Add me to the list of people who are surprised that William travels with his entire family. Two years ago that was not such a big deal. Now that Andrew is (more) disgraced and MM is in the picture, that seems like a crazy risk. They shouldn’t even travel in the same car.

Archie could turn out to be a great kid, but who knows what kind of weird stunts MM is going to pull in the event of a divorce?

I wouldn’t be completely shocked if William’s generation had an exit plan. They might be plotting how to extricate themselves with as much money and land as possible. Because I’m still confused by the Harry-MM marriage. She comes across as a grifter self promoter, but she adds some color (literally) and IQ points. She’s obviously no genius, but she might be the smartest woman in the world who was willing to marry Harry.

Archie seemed like he barely knew who Meghan or Harry were during that meeting with Tutu. Which is a relief - the only hope that kid has is if the staff are taking care of him.

R25 - "She’s obviously no genius, but she might be the smartest woman in the world who was willing to marry Harry."

LOL. The smarter ones ran for the hills.

I doubt the Cambridges have exit plans except in the event of a full-scale revolt and abolishment of the monarchy altogether (something I believe Labour have announced as part of their plan should they ever come to power). But other than that, I doubt it. Too much at stake and the monarchy still enjoys very high support amongst the plebs.

The Sussxes have most definitely thrown a spanner in the works, in my view not in a way advantageous to the institution long-term, and how that will play out remains to be seen.

You should see the comments below the DM's article (far down the page in smaller type) that a "royal expert" predicts the Queen will be delighted with the "unorthodox, informal tour" the Sussexes have just so brilliantly carried out. It forebore to mention Meghan's incredily ill-advised comment that she won't let her royal duties stop her from fulfilling her heart's desires and how delighted HM was about that.

One of the comments below the article, which is nakedly and unashamedly PR made up out of whole cloth, says, "Brought to you by Sunshine Sachs".

[quote]Next step, Edo and Meghan are long time lovers and plotted together all along.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Both are hustlers, always looking out for the next opportunity, the next rung up the self-aggrandizement ladder and quickly moving on when it arrives. Both of them are using the BRF, hoping to hook even bigger fish/marks. Megs admitted as much with her "heart's desires" gaffe.

R288 - Edo has no title and has already gone as far up the social hierarchy ladder as he is going to go. Ditto, Meghan. As far as titles and social cachet go, they've both hit the highest rung they are going to make it to.

But money is another matter. Neither Bea nor Harry are rich the way William one day will be and Charles and his mother already are, so the next step for Meghan (in her mind) is someone like Jeff Bezos. Or, if she plans enough in advance, Crown Prince Haakon of Norway when his wife, Mette-Marit, as she inevitably will, passes away from COPD, with which she was diagnosed a year or so ago. But although that would bump Meghan's title up to future Queen and make her Kate's equal, it wouldn't be much of a bump up re money, as the Norwegian royal family is the poorest royal family in Europe.

For Edo, a next step is far more problematical. He can't marry a CEO billionaire because they're all (I think) straight men looking for women like Salma Hayek.

Marrying another heiress is a possibility, of course, but there aren't many who are also bona fide blood princesses of one of the world's foremost royal families.

No, I think Edo will stick with Bea. He looks like he knows his way around well enough to see which side of the bread his butter is on.

Meghan, however, is another story.

Edo and Beatrice will probably have kids and even though he’s a guy, his marketability will be impaired once he has kids with two different woman. I agree, He’s not going anywhere. And they know each other well. They’ll muddle though even if he cheats. The marriage will give him the profile to make some bigger money, so he won’t need an heiress.

Why would the the crown prince of Norway give Meghan the time of day? I don’t think a failed marriage to a UK prince is a qualification for marriage to a Norwegian one. If anything, it’s a negative. Were you kidding?

She’s more likely to go for a Bezos type. But a real attention seeker - more along the lines of Musk or a richer version of the WeWork lunatic. Although Bezos has shown himself to be vulnerable. But she’s pretty old. If she can’t have a kid with a really rich guy she could end up much worse off than she is now.

R284, Are you serious re your comment that Edo and MM are long term lovers? Always suspected that a lot of players in the BRF are either gay, bisexual, and/or swingers who've slept with others in their elite social circles.

R291 - I suspect R284's comment about Meghan and Edo was tongue in cheek.

That said, you're not far off. Pss. Margaret's husband was bisexual, quite the swinger, and cheated on her during their courtship and after their marriage with partners of varied persuasions. He was also notoriously well-hung and a great lay the way some short, intense men can be, and made the most of it.

Pss. Anne had an affair with Camilla's first husband, Andrew Parker-Bowles, also reputed to be great in the sack and to have made the rounds of every woman in their social circle before and after marrying Camilla, he's thoroughly hetero, I believe.

Prince George, Duke of Kent, the Queen's uncle, was also bisexual although I believe deeply in love with his wife, Princess Marina of Greece, and I wouldn't bet my life on Prince Edward, and in an even earlier generation, the heir, Prince Edward, Duke of Clarence, was also reputed to have quite a chequered private life. However, he fortunately died young, allegedly of typhoid or something, and the far more stolid and traditional younger brother, George took over, and he and his wife, Mary, became King and Queen in 1910 or so, till 1935, when George died, and Prince Edward became Edward VIII for ten months before abdicating for Wallis Simpson, and I believe there are quite a few interesting sexual stories about him, too - not least that he had a tiny pecker and Wallis's sexual skills were able to do for him what no other woman could . . . hence, his string of married lovers.

Make of all that what you will.

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Well, R291, it was rumored that Bea's old beau was not 'trusted' by William. Ten years with the aging harpy and not trusted? That's pretty telling, imo, that a lot of behind the scenes debauchery is happening.

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What's worse, if unsurprising, if the 15 minute speech that kicked off the process.

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Doria is in good shape!

Have Bea and Edo announced a wedding date yet?

R299 - no, but my guess is an April or May wedding.

R294, don't underestimate the unhappiness accrued by marrying into a difficult or hostile family. As much as I despise MM, I sympathise with her position vis-à-vis the BRF. Aside from dubious articles saying that MM and Kate exchange messages regarding parenting, it's clear that she and Harry are on their own in that family.

William's distrust of Dave Clark was said to be based o his leaking some private information.

Genuinely curious, r301, do you feel that they BRF have treated Meghan unfairly? I think the BRF gave her a chance at the beginning but quickly learned to give the Sussexes a wide berth as they proved themselves to be untrustworthy.

Plus, you just know she is just as much the exhausting, self-important, self-absorbed, gesticulating blowhard in private as she is in public. They're probably well relieved that they only have to see her a few times per year.

She's found her niche then, R303. The whole of the BRF comes off as you describe.

The whole of them? Some do quite well at their events, i.e., listening to others, giving speeches which highlight the charity wherein they do not mention themselves. No, Meghan is particularly in love with her own voice in a way the others are not.

Agree, R305. It's hilarious counting how many times Meghan mentions herself in her writing and her speeches. I've never seen any public figure to it to the extent she does except for Trump.

[QUOTE] I doubt the Cambridges have exit plans except in the event of a full-scale revolt and abolishment of the monarchy altogether (something I believe Labour have announced as part of their plan should they ever come to power).

Yet another dunderhead spreading fake news like Donald Trump. Labour could forget all about government if they ever came anywhere close to 'announcing' the 'abolishment' (sic) of the monarchy. Such naivety is breathtaking, and it's 'abolition', you dunce.

Yes indeed, R305, all of them are tedious blowhards.

I do like Camilla when drunk, however.

R308-I'd put up a poll, but let's face it, Camilla would win hands down for royal you'd most likely want to drink with.

I might consider the Queen as a drinking buddy, R309, before Camilla. Imagine the stories she'd tell under the influence!

[QUOTE] But money is another matter. Neither Bea nor Harry are rich the way William one day will be and Charles and his mother already are, so the next step for Meghan (in her mind) is a billionaire like Jeff Bezos...

No, she values fame and publicity way above unlimited wealth. The wives of billionaire CEOs aren't in the headlines every single day, or even any day. Her entire career path since a teen has been about being heard, and seen.

Anne seems alright, though one imagines much of her conversation revolves around horses.

Such a limitation sounds tedious and hardly 'alright', R312, but I don't like horses.

Meghan was out in Johannesburg today. Swipe for photos.

MeMe can find the camera wherever it is. Another boring navy outfit.

Busting out.

Dear Diary: Who knew poor people could be so much fun!

Another low $ dress. Are they keeping a low budget for PR purposes - or - have they had their budget decreased?

My guess is they've had an order from on high-and a cut to the budget to boot.

R318 - I read a story that Meghan purposely is recycling and wearing low costing outfits on this tour after the criticism because - wait for it - she didn't want the clothes to distract from the work. Eye roll.

It's weird how Charles has seemingly disappeared as of late. Last year, with the documentary, the POW commemoration, etc... it seemed like they were easing the public into him being a quasi-regent. It's hard to tell if his low profile is due to an organic lack of interest or not.

Meghan’s lips seem far more full and plump than they were a few weeks ago.

He's been busy according to the Court Circular but a lot of what he does is either not a public event or the Daily Maul barely cares.

Frankly, I don't think any of the BRF are people you would particularly want for friends. Some are a lot less appealing than others, eg Anne, Andrew, Phillip, William. Apparently Kate isn't accepted among the aristos even now. Zara, her husband, Fergie and Camilla are probably the most human. It's likely they despised MM for her origins and career even before they met her. A lot of her behaviour shows a person who doesn't care about fitting in or getting it right. I think The Windsors' depiction of Harry is probably pretty close and I would cut my head off if I had to live with that all the time.

"...She had an ongoing battle with the cats belonging to Prince and Princess Michael — who also lived at the palace — and encouraged her chauffeur to drive at them or turn the hose on them in the garden.

If I was there, she'd give the hose to me and shout, 'Go, Anne, get them!' as I dutifully ran all around the garden, making sure I didn't spray her by mistake."

Pss Margaret, cunt extraordinaire

So they had their budget slashed , r320, and Meghan came up with an excuse to save face.

Although she has been praised in the press for her thrifty choices on this tour, she looks decidedly unroyal. Who wants to see that? It's like Ginny from Billing got her own tour.

R324-I agree. I have a feeling things have to be explained to Harry very slowly and in very simple language.

R286, I think he's got bad eyesight. He already has a wonky eye, indicating that this eye's vision is poor. The other eye might be affected as well.

We used to have a user writing messages from The Dook of Susseks (or something like that) in here.

Where is s/he? Another message from The Dook right from Africa would be hilarious!

R326 - The so called "clothing budget was not slashed. This is a PR exercise to make sure Meghan's clothes and Meghan received less and hopefully minimal criticism than on her previous tours.

The Maul was crowing about it being a PR success story and there've been some plants in more respectable papers too... like the Telegraph. Little Miss Modestly Turned Out if chafing inside those cheap clothes. But they suit her

Royal Wedding tiaras - Part One.

Royal Wedding tiaras - Part Two.

R329, yes, those were funny!

When I see that picture of Fergie at R333, I wonder how she could have screwed that up so bad. I remember when they got married and they seemed so excited and crazy about each other.

The tour is almost over. No major missteps occurred, but it didn't garner a significant level of attention, either. Any guesses on what's next for these two?

I surprised that Pa Markle and Sister Sammie have retired from public life, I expected them to have long and prominent careers as Sussex pundits.

I think the era of BRF visits to 3rd world areas of the world garnering attention is over. It was over when Diana was doing that shit for attention and fame, there was a backlash then with her playing White Savior. Her "friend" Mother Teresa was campaigning against divorce for the little people while okaying it for her friend the fellow saint Diana. People saw through that sanctimonious shit back then and they're more over that shit now. So no, the Sussexes' visit playing saviors in Africa is not viewed as self-serving and not entirely politically-correct in some SJWs' worldview. The world has changed since Diana's time, only people who are idiots on the level of Donald Trump would think of Africa as this dark continent with people who are helpless or too dumb to help themselves. Guess what, I know friends, former fellow students, colleagues who have worked in Africa in the healthcare setting (they ran health clinics), specifically Malawi and Kenya (and one in Haiti which isn't in Africa), they (they're White btw) all say the same thing. It's only idiots who don't know shit about Africa or are still under this patronizing savior notion that still think of continental Africans as passive and not wanting to help themselves. They don't NEED the likes of the Sussexes who use them for photo ops, who are not down on the ground actually doing shit but nevertheless make a public show of doing shit.

The Sussexes and their actions in Africa make me so sick. Knowing what I know about the collaborative efforts of the NPs that I know who had worked in Africa, and the way that African friendships and culture are integrated into their lives even now, and to see the fake-ass shit that the Sussexes are pulling.....sad.

Technically, Pakistan is still considered a third-world country and that is the next tour slated. The Cambridge tours don't seem patronizing in the way that the Sussexes do. Theirs seem more like the usual strengthening of ties between two countries, highlighting tourist areas, etc.

R339 Exactly, strengthening ties instead of going around faking humility and doing/ saying shit that tick the box of Humanitarian. I know the difference and I see the opposite of humanitarian when the Sussexes are there speechifying to people in need of help and those who actually do the work to help them.

R302 - Totally agree. The people who matter in the BRF bent over backward to make Meghan welcome, with the possible exception of William, who warned his brother that he might be rushing things and that Meghan might not be suited to royal life. William turned out to be right.

It was Meghan who turned hostile the moment the ring was on her finger - unsupportive of British fashion, clearly bent on the world beyond Britain, abusing staff so that stories went back to the Big House, the whole birth, christening, and godparent farce, tiaragate, her extravagant wardrobe . . . I think she showed her claws too early in the game and managed to pry Harry away from his blood family incredibly quickly.

They're on their own in that family because they chose to be. Meghan dislikes coming second, anywhere. In that family, she'll always be behind Kate. That's not hostility, that's hereditary monarchy. If she couldn't deal with it, she shouldn't have married into it.

She's actually made Harry look ridiculous.

R330 - Exactly so. This wasn't about budget slashing, it was about image rehabilitation - the thrifty, down to earth Duchess replaces, the high flyin', Mark Hotel baby shower, six private jets in one week, $15,000 dresses, 3.5 million quid on your fucking "cottage" Duchess.

I think the tour has been a modest success for them, although Meghan managed to put her foot in her mouth yet again with that ludicrous "heart's desires" comment, and Harry put his even bigger foot in his mouth tellin an African boy that the problems the world is facing weigh Harry down so much, that some days he has trouble rolling out of his 600% Egyptian cotton linens.

And, of course, a few nasty fashion faux pas on Meghan's part, starting with that ghastly mosque visit dress with her hair falling out of the head scarf.

And I also think it got minimal publicity. It will be forgotten immediately, especially with what is really occupying British taxpayers' minds - hint: it's not how many African kids Meghan managed to get herself photographed hugging.

It can be true that their budget was slashed AND that they revised their wardrobe for PR points. I don't think Charles is funding them anymore (except for 1/2 of Sara Latham's salary). I think they are under BP with the rest of the minor royals with a much lower budget. He finally put his foot down (although some poor flunkie probably delivered the news).

R342-that's a conversation I would have loved to have heard, or at least the one where Hazz broke the budget cut to Megs.

Well it's nice you think that R343 but there's no evidence for it. The BRF hates conflict. They do not go on the offensive until they're tried everything else (Diana and Charles) or their backs are against the wall (dead Diana or vulgar, vulgar, vulgar Duchess of York toes.) That is established.

I don't believe it about the budget slashing. Look what she wore to NotNow's wedding last weekend. Jesus, $15,000 on that black meringue puffball with gold sprinkles!

This tour's low cost wardrobe was all smoke and mirrors. If she's wearing cheaper clothes, it's solely for PR, not because Charles told her the account is now limited.

The Cambridges have a London pre-event for the Pakistan tour on Thursday this week at the Aga Khan Centre in London - I believe it's black tie so we'll get to see Kate gowned, and they leave on the 14th.

The Sussexes were removed from Clarence House's website a few months ago and Charles was conspicuously missing from Harry's birthday Instagram collage. Circumstantial evidence, yes, but there has been a cooling. I think the Sussexes have well and truly been relegated to BP.

R347 - Not so: On the @clarencehouse account, which belongs to Charles, a tribute was posted with a photo of Charles and Harry sharing a moment at the International Year of The Reef meeting in 2018. Chalres added the royal hashtag, JappyBirthdayHRH to his birthday wishes.

Meghan would have ponied up herself for the Moo Moo frock since it was a private event. Charles covers the clothing for the official engagements. No birthday greetings for pa seems like the kind of stunt Meghan would pull to show her displeasure. Like the Prince of Wales/future King of England would feel slighted on not being mentioned on Instagram.

R348, it was Meghan who didn't include Charles on Harry's birthday wishes. She did include Diana, though.

'This tour's low cost wardrobe was all smoke and mirrors. If she's wearing cheaper clothes, it's solely for PR, not because Charles told her the account is now limited.'

Just as Kate saw all the negative press about her showing her bare buttocks off, and rectified matters, so Meghan has seen all the negative articles about her wardrobe and has changed course. Did you really expect her to carry on wearing the overpriced frocks after the beating she's had?

Would it kill this repugnant woman to act natural and forget about the cameras?

[quote]Did you really expect her to carry on wearing the overpriced frocks after the beating she's had?

Actually, yes.

'The Cambridges have a London pre-event for the Pakistan tour on Thursday this week at the Aga Khan Centre in London - I believe it's black tie so we'll get to see Kate gowned, and they leave on the 14th.'

They'll be a target for every suicide bomber in the country. What a scary assignment. Are they there long? That country is the worst of the worst.

Sometimes, you're better off dead

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That's because you've always thought she's going to behave more and more badly, spend more and more of the BRF's money and then flounce. In actual fact, she's recalibrated and is playing the long game. She wants another child and she wants to carry on playing Lady Bountiful for the rest of her life. She had years waiting tables and living off not much so she can easily go back to cheaper clothes. People act as if she's been super wealthy all her life and has never worked a day . You got her confused with the Eye Bag Empress.

[quote]it was Meghan who didn't include Charles on Harry's birthday wishes. She did include Diana, though.

That's rather telling as he is the one shelling out for her clothing - you'd think she'd be sucking up to him like she has been in the past. Maybe he DID cut diminish the clothing allowance.

She's going to do whatever her heart desires, folks.

SS are very effective as PR, they saw the problems and adressed them during the SA Tour.

Slashing the clothe budget is all PR. Same as using Archie to gain people's good will, you can't go wrong with babies.

Kate is more popular than Meghan but she should care more and increase her work, specially now with the pregnancy rumors.

Is there any modern historical precedent where the sixth in line actually ended up on the throne?

I’m sure that there are examples from the middle ages when there was a plague of sweating sickness and the seventh in line became king, but has anything like that ever happened in the modern era? Asking because a friend of mine thinks that Harry has a chance and I don’t.

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Every time we see her, she's lost more weight. It must be galling for you haters. Her legs and arms are toned and slender.

R362, I have a similar problem to MM in that I'm only 5'4" with a short waist. Many styles and colors make my look much heavier such as anything double-breasted or with horizontal seams. Unfortunately so many fashion trends only flatter very tall, thin women who look like Catherine.

Worse MM is supposed to be wearing very Conservative clothing per the BRF. So often she appears to be drowning in fabric just like me. So I sympathize with her plight and follow her to see if she'll make better fashion choices.

R364 Did you ever try a corset?

[quote]Is there any modern historical precedent where the sixth in line actually ended up on the throne?

Princess Alexandrina Victoria was the eldest daughter of Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn, the fourth son of George III. None of Edward's elder brothers produced legitimate issue that survived. Edward's elder brother who became William IV, had 10 illegitimate children with his mistress Dorothea Jordan. When William IV died in 1837, out of George III's 15 legitimate (and 22 illegitimate) children and a whole shitload of legitimate and illegitimate grandchildren, Princess Alexandrina Victoria was William IV's only legitimate heir. She was crowned Queen Victoria on 28 June 1838.

R364, Wouldn't a corset show through clothing? You see I have a rib that sticks out. Movie set costumers actually advised me to get it removed, like supposedly Cher, so I'd look much, much thinner. Well at least I have relatively narrow hips.

R367 A corset should not show.

Removing a rib looks a bit extreme.

R367, please have some self respect and refrain from taking advice from a thread full of misogynist queens who, like all gay fashion designers, only see beauty in women of 5ft 10 who weigh 115 lbs.

Many women much shorter than Kate can look very good in couture. Sara Sampaio and Kate Moss are only 5ft 6.

Lucy Watson from Made in Chelsea is only 5 ft 5. She looks better than Kate or Meghan.

That woman look anorexic, R370. Gross.

R371 Must be fat.

Agree, R372. Lucy has decent sized breasts, slim legs and a little waist but there's no sign of a bony chest or sticking out ribs. She's around the same height as Meghan but has much better proportions.

I wonder if this is Markle

R374 It could be literally anyone.

R362-I've literally never seen a famous person who loves the camera as much as she does. She must be an exhausting person to be around frequently. I'd pity Harry, but he's the one who brought that mess into the BRF.

She does look like a barrel and she has way too much hair. She looks like one of those bloated, past it starts of the Housewives shows. It's one thing to be badly dressed, bad enough really, but to be age inappropriately dressed and make it worse. What a disaster she is in every way.

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R377, for someone so vain it's kind of fascinating. Her perception of reality must be really, really off.

R349 - Meghan doesn't have her "own" money to "pony up" with. Her "own" money is actually Charles's - that big "supplement" he gives each son annually is meant to cover exactly those expenses the Sovereign Grant won't: private expenses that allow them to live the life that women like Meghan marry men like Harry to enjoy. I.s., $15,000 dresses for private occasions. Harry's real income after taxes would just about support his household, not his wife's extravagant wardrobe, jewellery, etc.

And as Charles's money is from the Duchy of Cornwall revenues, when you go back far enough, it still comes back to UK taxpayers generating funds that are used to keep the senior royals in the style to which they have become accustomed.

So willy-nilly, that $15,000 dress came out of some fund, somewhere, difficult for the taxpayer to discern, that isn't too scrupulously parsed out in the Wales account books.

Her own money, my Aunt Petunia. Everything she has is paid for either by Harry, Charles, or the UK taxpayer, whilst she bleats about independence, feminism, her heart's desires, and humanitarianism.

And where anyone got the idea that Charles has cut Harry and Meghan off financially, I do not know. No one would know if he had except the accountants, and they don't kiss and tell.

Charles wouldn't have cut his son off financially unless some understanding was already in place that Harry and Meghan plan to leave the BRF and the money is, instead, being set aside for a lump sum golden parachute.

And I very, very much doubt that is the case.

We can only wish, R380...

Even Kaiser on CB had to stop and complain about how bad Meghan's fashion on this trip has been - she eviscerated the tan Banana Republic dress Meghan wore to the University of Johannesburg, and rightly so. The straining bosom, Look How Thick My Waist Is! belt, short dress that Meghan yet again failed to put a few stitches in and then had to hold togethe awkwardly for the second time this trip, and dull colour did Meghan no favours. And the hair, as usual, was blowing in the wind and showing nothing but how fake, badly cut, and absurd it was on a woman who is parading herself around now as "black".

What is interesting to me about this tour is how it demonstrates that maybe the Sussexes would be better off in Africa. The African public hasn't had to support her jewellery and evening gown collection or her darling little cottage refurbishment, they see her (more fools they) as "one of us", and she'll gradually become less of a focus in Britain, where it counts, and more of a focus there, where it doesn't count but will soothe her vanity and she'll be sort of . . . first.

Of course, how her milk-white baby will fit into this scenario is prolematic. She wanted a white life with white kids enjoying white privilege and she didn't have them so they could be brought up in Africa standing out like sore thumbs and pretending to be black when they are manifestly nearly entirely white.

My guess is that any such move will wait for her UK citizenship to come in and the second baby to be born as an authentic member of the BRF, even without an HRH.

The Sussex story will be the gift that goes on giving to DL for quite some years.

Meghan's not going anywhere until she has the second kid and her British citizenship. If she jumps ship too early she'll sink to the Yolanda Foster stratosphere. That would kill her.

Today was the opening of the Folketing, the Danish Parliament. I watch every year to see what Mary and Marie are wearing and I think I mentioned once that I was present for one of these openings, albeit across the street, and was impressed not only with Mary's outfit and bearing, but how small she is in real life - not short, but more petite than I expected.

Today, Mary wore a beautiful rose-coloured suit with matching pillbox hat tilted back over a neat bun, a simply clutch, and simple black pumps. She looked absolutely beautiful (Joachim and Marie are in Paris so did not attend). While like Meghan she doesn't have much of a waist, she has prettier legs and shoulders.

Just the same, Meghan should look at this outfit and see what Mary's done with her waist and colouring, which isn't that far off from Meghan's, either; in fact, Mary's eyes are darker than Meghan's and while Mary is fair, she is unquestionably a bona fide brunette. The rose colour looked exquisite with her dark hair and eyes, the hair was sleek and elegant, the suit perfect, the hem length perfect, with a modest slit in front that didn't have to be held together with one hand, and a pretty inverted pleat in the back.

Mary looks like a real princess. Meghan always looks like a pretend Wannabee princess. I don't know why Meghan can't look at the way someone like Mary dresses and figure it out.

Meghan doesn't try to look princessy anymore. Her looks were terrible during the tour, even her stans say she dresses terribly.

Would MM be gifted her wardrobe or have a merch arrangement? She's got the same problem I have in that most clothing is made for a much taller woman with a super slim figure like Catherine's. I end up shopping at lower end teen stores where clothes are S, M, L and have stretch. A double breasted coat style doesn't work on anyone with a short trunk. Neither does anything but a very thin belt.

R384, Linked is an example of Princess Mary's style.

You know you're part of the CB stan cult when you think Meghan looks good and is stylish.

I don't always like Kate's choices but it works for her frame. Meghan's style is boring and doesn't even fit.

A good stylist could do miracle for Meghan, she's not obese and is a pretty woman.

Yes, R388. I'm puzzled by people who keep cackling over how fat she is. Yes, she still has baby weight on her, but in her clothing charity launch when she was wearing slacks and a blouse, she looked to be a healthy weight. She just can't be trusted to dress herself. It's like she's trying to look fat.

That grating voice and those talking hands.

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[quote]I'm puzzled by people who keep cackling over how fat she is.

Because she's so up herself and you know the baby weight is driving her nuts. It's the one thing she can't deny. I don't think that's baby weight, anyway. Sometimes pregnancy changes the shape of a woman. Looks like that is what happened to her.

R391 Don't underestimate that.

For many black women the simple fact she married Harry is a win, whatever if she's a grifter.

R390-she has one of the most grating public speaking personas I've ever seen. Someone on SNL needs to do a parody of those jazz hands.

Swipe for photos of Meghan today. She has bags under her eyes.

Another appearance by MeMe and the same old style.

Holding herself together to prevent a wardrobe malfunction.

Does anyone have an iron on this tour?

She’s not fat, that would be an easier problem to remedy if she was just hanging on to baby weight. No, fact is that her body shape which was already oddly barrel-like before baby to begin with, has now added a dimension of post-baby reconfiguration that some women get permanently. The hip bones become permanently wider, it’s why the butt looks bigger, and the abdomen is thicker too. However with Meghan her change looks like both post-baby and post-menopause because of the way fat is distributed on her body. It’s distributed like a peri- or post-menopausal woman’s body. Mainly in the neck, upper arms, shoulders, and most noticeably in upper hips just below the waist, and she never had a waist to begin with since she’s built like a block. It’s either she still has fluctuating hormones or she’s just one of those unlucky women whose bodies change for the worse permanently after baby. As vain as she is, you know it’s gotta be torturous for her not being able to do much about it.

R388 - The majority of posters (over 80%) at Celebitichy find Meghan's choices in fashion as sad or even deplorable given the access she has to $$$, the best designers and the best tailors.

R401 Yeah no, the majority prefer to not talk about it.

"OMG! She's glowing. let's not talk about what she wears".

R402 - Meghan's poor fashion choices & decisions have been talked about non-stop at Celebitichy. Debate on whether Meghan is pregnant with her second child has been going on since the beginning of the South African.

I hate to be rude but: You do not know what you are talking about!

R403 I've just checked CB.

Most posters "liked" the dresses or think it's "not that bad", like that hypocritical Beck1.

One person said she looks pregnant, others replied.

Don't act like CB is a place where you can critic Meghan's fashion choices freely without Kerwood or other stans like Nic919 pissing in your cheerios for being racist.

Yeah, she’s simply not even trying to be “royal” anymore. She’s a hip New Age Santa Monica mommy, that’s her brand and she’s sticking to it. To her mind, she’s a breath of fresh air. Whatever.

There is no excuse for how dreadful Meghan looks in that Banana Republic dress or as she did in the mosque dress. She looks appalling, slovenly, cheap, wrinkled, and ill at ease.

You know, the Queen Mother was quite flat-chested in her ingenue days - her looks were concentrated in her colouring, beautiful skin, daintiness, and huge blue eyes. But after her pregnancies, those girls filled out and she was never again the slip of a girl she was upon her marriage.

It happens. The difference is that the Queen Mother dressed herself appropriately at each age. She dressed like an English country girl in her English country girlhood. She dressed like a young matron when she became one, and then like a matriarch when she became one.

Meghan, however, always presents a puzzling What is Wrong With This Picture affect becaues of an apparent inability to see herself as she really is. And that speaks to some mental disturbance.

Kate's figure isn't perfect, but it's very nice, and Kate dresses to disguise her short legs, cut off the ingenue sausage curls, and toned down the heavy eyeliner she used to wear. She wears clothes that are beautifully tailored, fit well, and that emphasise her height and small waist, and flatter her colouring. She still makes choices I don't quite agree with, but that's different from constantly dressing and wearing your hair as if you mistook yourself for Audrey Hepburn or a young Diana Spencer, neither of whom you remotely resemble.

Her awful dressing unconsciously suggests something more serious than bad taste, some skewed perception of self that you glipmse in outfits like these and other behavious, and I think that is a strong factor in why people are made uncomfortable by her, even if they don't quite know why.

Kate may be boring, but she's not disturbing because she is who she is. You don't get that feeling with Meghan, and it is both fascinating and alarming. I cannot imagine what it must be like for Harry to live 24/7 with someone always playing a role, and even she isn't quite sure who that character is.

I said it before and I’ll say it again, Meghan lacks innate style. What’s more, she thinks she’s stylish so she does her own thing by following trends and what’s considered fashionable. This is evident by the fact that Meghan dresses for the occasion instead of dressing for herself. Her wardrobe isn’t cohesive in style and are rather frau-like which you can’t say the same about Kate. Dressing for occasions means her style is a mishmash of sorts. It doesn’t work for someone in the public eye especially one who wants to be seen as a style setter like Meghan. Innate style means you dress for your figure and eschew fashions that don’t suit you. You know when to add touches of trends instead of marinating in it. You wear the clothes instead of the clothes wearing you, which no amount of tugging or adjusting will ever fix. Stylish people also never wear clothes that are 2 sizes too small and ripping at the seams.

MM's signature style consists of a fedora hat, sunglasses, a white boyfriend shirt and ripped jean, sometimes with an oversized blazer with the sleeves rolled up. That is her idea of coolness and authenticity. We were all fooled by her look when she was being dressed by the costumers at her tv show.

Kate's signature style seems to be either English floaty dresses, tight skinny jeans, Breton top, and wedges or those Catherine Walker coat dresses.

Both straight out of the 90s.

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The thing that I find curious is her continued insistence on wearing that long hair that looks unkempt.

When she is outside and if it's windy, her hair looks even worse.

On those occasions where she wears it pulled back and in a bun, like the visit to Archbishop Tutu, she looks good.

But she falls back to the long, untrimmed hair.

I don't get it.

She seems fixated on this look that does her no favors.

Perhaps as other posters have mentioned, she doesn't really see herself as she looks. Most people can look at photos of themselves and wince when they see one where their hair is blowing around as her does frequently. And they then take steps to choose a different look in similar situations.

Is it really because of Kate's long hair?

The whole thing is so very strange. She's been doing the same thing all along, as far back as her first (on only) solo appearance with the Queen in Chester.

R403 - There is a difference between "liking a dress" and "not liking the dress of Meghan".

I like the Banana Republic Trench dress and there is nothing wrong with this dress.

The problem is that dress does not look good on Meghan and too casual for a university event. Meghan should have chosen a different dress; a dress that fit better and was more appropriate for the event.

There is more pissing in Cheerios done at the DataLounge than at Celebitchy. Pissing in Cheerios is not necessarily a bad thing and can be very entertaining.

Nic919 can be very outspoken but so can the Welp Troll who treats the DataLounge as a second home

R403 should be R404 - Sorry for the typo.

What a triumph:

The Duchess of Sussex topped 2019's not that bad list....

R389, I think MM probably isn't used to her larger size as she's been very thin for quite awhile. I'd recommend that she add a hip length jacket or sweater, worn open, over her dresses and slacks to elongate her look. Many men wear longer suit jackets if their asses are less than ideal.

At this point, Kate really only needs to exist.

Why is she so attached to the belted shirt-dress? Or belted anything? Women with short-waisted bodies have trouble with belted garments. I know, because I am one.

Her hair usually looks messy, too. Since she has a pretty face (I think), she looks very nice with it pulled back. She could wear so many updo styles and look polished and pretty.

R399, I don't think the dress needs ironing. Instead the style is designed for a much slimmer woman as the fabric is pulling. Note he very large pockets at the hips which make her look larger. I have the same problem buying men's style button down shirts sold for women, as I'm busty and the fabric tends to pull. The only solution is to undo more of the buttons and hope you're not being too revealing.

I do like the light sage color on MM. Much of the styles this year are all black, grey, dark olive, khaki, and perhaps burgundy. Or very pale colors that are flattering on very few skin tones. MM you have my sympathy.

Why is anything what it is with Meghan? She's one of the most annoying celebrities on the planet.

I don't think the fabric is pulling so much as trying desperately to get away.

R400. Reportedly at a special lunch for MM prepared by an African native, for which she was well compensated, the Duchess only pushed her food around the plate. She didn't eat even one bite of food. Obviously she's aware of being picked on about her weight.

Remember Princess Diana's anorexia and Sarah Ferguson's battles with her size due to the constant pap obsession with both women's looks?

To be clear, I don't approve all the DL posters either. Some here sounds unhinged and we have our racist trumpstars.

But CBers are a special kind, they shit on Kate all year long because she's not up to their standards (lol, because bitching all day long on a gossip site make you obvisouly superior) but a mild criticism of Meghan is seen as a huge affront.

Grew a pair Ladies.

Jesus H, will you fraus please take your discussion of your wardrobe challenges elsewhere?

Kate also had eating disorder few years ago, having your pic published daily is a huge pressure.

R418 - So was Tammy Faye Baker

R421 - I have taken up for Cathy Cambridge many times over at Celebitchy

R422 - This is a thread for Royal Family gossip meaning one can talk about Meghan, William, Rose Cholmondeley, Andrew, Andrew Parker-Bowles and/or QEII

If regular fraus can manage to find flattering clothing that fits, why can’t a Princess of the United Kingdom?

Because regular fraud probably have more realistic versions of what they actually look like and are willing to listen to suggestions, I would imagine.

Proud CB Frau, why don't you take your proud CB ass back to CB?

[quote] This is a thread for Royal Family gossip meaning one can talk about Meghan, William, Rose Cholmondeley, Andrew, Andrew Parker-Bowles and/or QEII

This Rose Cholmodeley lass is not a member of the BRF. Open your own thread if you want to discuss that fugly bird/beard.

Breaking News on Sky News:

Megsy has begun legal proceedings against newspapers over publication of a private letter

Harry unnecessarily bringing up again his mother: "I lost my mother and now my wife is being treated bad"

R249 Oh, gonna be interesting.

R427 - Because I enjoy the discussions and the motley crew commentariat at the Data Lounge!

OP - R428 - Rose Hanbury Rocksavage Cholmondeley can be anything she wants to be. If she wants to a beard that is her business. Are you jealous?

Jeez, why do they attack the press just when they begin to have good press?

They're so dumb, just enjoy your good press for what it lasts.

They don't have 1 braincell between the 2 of them.

Good grief, I lost my mother at a young age, I have friends who lost mothers at young ages. We don't trot it out every other day to bully people into sympathy. Harry can fuck straight off with that repellent tactic. And once you've sent a letter to someone, it becomes their property and they can do with it as they please, so good luck with that.

R432, jealous? JEALOUS?!?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you're killing me

Meghan sends emails to staff at 5am!

R433 - Agree with you 100%. There is a big lack of common sense in the House of Sussex. I think Harry is probably driving this truck more than Meghan. Harry seems more obsessed with what the public thinks about Meghan than Meghan is.

Op - R432 - Not of me but of Rose Hanbury Rocksavage Cholmondeley.......you silly goose...........you are so cute!

Why should anyone be jealous of some CB skank in the first place?

Harry is a deeply troubled man. Meghan is just a symptom not the cause.

r434, All of what you say really

I never undestood the Harry love anyway. Was it just Dianamaniaca or the cheeky chaapy or what? I always found him spoiled and ugly.. Anyone really like him?

R439 - Not of me but of Rose Cholmondeley.

One does recall the other Duchess, THAT WOMAN, was imminently better dressed than THIS WOMAN.

R384 - you're right. Mary of Denmark looks quite lovely.

Oh what a tangled web this woman weaves - and her hair is a mess too!

Is this woman Archie's nanny?

Is this woman Archie's nanny?

Is this woman Archie's nanny?

^ Sorry for the duplicate posts. DL tells me I can't post and then - voila - my post appears.

R449 No that's Meghan's special friend; the one she keeps close so she can look slim.

Harry is whining again about the press treatment of his wife. He has to mention the loss of his mother.

Harry is whining again about the press treatment of his wife. He has to mention the loss of his mother.

^ Again, my apologies for the double post.

Harry is a fucking cry baby.

Defend your wife but don't use your dead mother asshole.

R446 - I'm particularly enamoured of the colour and the perfection of the angle at which the pillbox hat sits on her sleek dark hair and bun. She looks elegant, professional, mature but not granny-ish (Kate, take note), classic rather than outdated, and the shoes add the touch of sex that keeps the outfit from being too officey.

Mary is 47, nearly a decade older than Meghan, and she looks the same age because of how she dresses.

R452 - Yes, the Sussexes are suing the Mail on Sunday for invasion of privacy for publishing her handwritten letter to her father last year. Please note, everyone, that the Mail on Sunday is NOT the Sunday edition of the Daily Mail. They are two completely separate papers. The duo are not suing the DM, but the "Mail on Sunday".

There's a thread open on it already.

The timing of Harry's statement and legal action is all wrong. They had good press for the African tour and now they take this action. Couldn't they have waited to get back home?

I am telling you, the BRF has privately sidelined these two. The African "tour" was the last scheduled events of import for them. From here on in they will be treated as minor royals under BP.

For those asking why they would pull this stupid lawsuit stunt/statement when they've recently received relatively decent (paid for) press, they're building a narrative. They will say "we didn't get pushed out of the BRF, we had to leave because the press was so mean".

R159 - the Sussex Shit Stirrers will get no sympathy from me. Bad press comes with the territory. They created most of the bad press themselves. If every royal who has been criticized left the family, there wouldn't be anyone left.

They could have wait to be back in UK at least.

The Foreign office must be livid.

Harry has trouble getting out of bed, Megs feels like the BRF is tamping down on her heart's desires and now the press is being mean to them. God, they're first-class toddlers.

All of the goodwill they received from their African trip has flown out the window. It's going to get worse for them after this stupid move.

If MeMe doesn't read her press, why did Harry mention the personal toll all of the negativity has taken out of her? These two are lying again.

Registered and out of lurking so that I may make a few comments regarding this unwelcome female person (my dear elderly father would say, "She may be a woman, but she is no lady.").

The poor thing obviously has no insight into how H&M are playing her and her kind. I am old enough to have had the privilege of being around some of the pioneers in the Civil Rights Movement. They would have had absolutely no patience or tolerance of M's antics and manipulative plays.

Does racial bias still exist? Yes. It's not genuine, though, to only embrace one's African-American heritage when it is convenient and to whine about it when one is being called out on one's behavior.

My hat goes off to you Brits. You were the ones who stood all alone for so long against Hitler. Just like the pioneers of the Civil Rights Movement, you Brits "walked your talk." To me, that is one of the main complaints I have against H&M and their blind defenders....oh, they are so unhappy with their miserable lives and "they don't make it easy." H&M both need to put on their big girl panties or have the integrity to walk away from royal life, but, of course, that would include all the large perks.

Yes, it is a pity that the previously mentioned female poster is unable to discern the situation as well as having no manners at all. My dear father used to also that, "You can be a millionaire and have no class; you either have it or you don't, and it can't be bought." And, before CB SJW gets her own panties in a wad, my father would also talk about how a toothless, illiterate, black sharecropper could have it. Watch what people do and not what they say, folks.

Thank you for reading this. Heading back to my corner with my glass of wine to just "listen."

R459 - "I am telling you, the BRF has privately sidelined these two. The African "tour" was the last scheduled events of import for them. From here on in they will be treated as minor royals under BP.

For those asking why they would pull this stupid lawsuit stunt/statement when they've recently received relatively decent (paid for) press, they're building a narrative. They will say "we didn't get pushed out of the BRF, we had to leave because the press was so mean"."

Sorry, not buying, at least not your first paragraph. In terms of sidelining, the only "BRF" that matters are the Queen and Charles, backed up by William's views, but William has no power, either financially or legally - yet.

The Sussexes don't have to care if the Yorks, the Tindalls, the Phillips, and Pss. Anne aren't besties with them. They only need to care about the Queen and Charles, and at some point in the future, William and Kate, whose hostility Meghan ensured within a year of arriving on the scene.

What does "treated as minor royals under BP" even mean? Harry is the next King's son. You think they are going to sideline the Sussexes and bring the York girls in?

Not bloody likely, not with the mess Andrew's in. Harry and Meghan will keep being seen as senior working royals until the day they leave.

And that's where your second paragraph holds more possibility. They may indeed have already privately agreed to get the fuck out as soon as the second kid is born, and are building a narrative that gives them a decent rationale to cover the fact that the BRF want them gone and pushed them out.

But sidelined? Not yet, mate, not yet. The BRF can't show its hand too quickly.

Suing the Mail on Sunday - bad bad idea. They published a letter which was given to them by the recipient and in no way did they edit the contents to make her look less favourable. If Harry and Meghan lose, a whole barrage of shit is heading their way. I would have thought Harry of all people should know, you don't piss off the media.

R445 she looks like she has pustules all over her coat. Why would anyone aspire to such look?

R466 - The daily vilification bit mentioned by Harry wasn't directly referring to the letter -he added the "daily vilification" bit in to include the press broadly.

The publiication of her letter to her father, which the public have completely forgotten about, is being utilized only to justifhy a basis for a suit (invasion of privacy).

But the underlying intention of the suit is to punish the tabloids for Meghan's negative press, and try to frighten them into being "nicer" to her.

It didn't work with their first attempt in November 2016, and it won't work now, regardless of the outcome of the suit.

The press will simply be more careful with the shade they throw on her.

Perhaps the Sussexes feel that since the press hates Meghan, anyway, they may as well get some blows in themselves.

But it won't end anything and it won't change anything.

I'm sure the BRF is just thrilled.

R466, according to a poster in the other thread, libel laws are different in the UK and MM retains copyright or something since she was the one who wrote the letter. Nevertheless, the newspaper has lawyers who must have approved publication. So this will be interesting.

Heck, just read this thread.

Heck, just read this thread.

Just when I was starting to get a little bored, thinking they'd maybe hit their stride with this Africa trip......BOOM! Insert one of those popcorn emojis.

It's funny you should say that, R472. I haven't been posting here much lately, and was just thinking this morning that Meghan was starting to bore me. She still is, honestly. This is the kind of stunt you just sigh and shake your head at. I'm actually very looking forward to seeing W&K on their tour. Gowns will be on view. La!

That they will lose is a foregone conclusion, and they will also have to pay the other party’s legal expenses. And I don’t believe they’re paying for this themselves. Tragically stupid.

R474 - Why do you think their loss is a foregone conclusion? I'm asking for a legal opinion on that.

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What a whiny, pussy-whipped mutherfucker. I don't even think it's that; she's probably driving him fucking insane with her hysterics. This has Markle written all over it. "She's still the same person!" What do you want to bet that's Sparkle talk for "I don't look like my mother and I'm not fat!"

'However with Meghan her change looks like both post-baby and post-menopause because of the way fat is distributed on her body.'

This poster failed Biology. How the fuck can a woman who had a baby a few months ago be POST menopause. The menopause lasts at least two years, you flailing spaz, and a menopausal woman cannot conceive a baby.

Kim Kardashian after she had Saint aged 36 was 200 lbs, huge hips, legs, arms. Much worse than Meghan. It took her two years to lose ALL the weight, but she got there.

You're going to be very disappointed if you expect Meghan to hang on to the shape she is five months post partum.

' Please note, everyone, that the Mail on Sunday is NOT the Sunday edition of the Daily Mail'

It is, though.

Why don't you hold your breath while you wait for her to be a stick again?

Yes, R480, it most definitely is.

Do the DM writers ever get through primary school?

"Princess Beatrice started dating the Italian property developer back in October last year after they both attended Princess Eugenie's wedding, of who he is already a friend of."

Harry sued and won pretty recently.

Perhaps they’re feeling they can’t lose?

My dad died at 43, when I was 12 and my sister was 16.

We didn’t try to wring sympathy out of it at the time, much less 20 years later.

He’s a whining little bitch being manipulated by a narcissist.

Well, R485, that says a lot about why you are a lonely incel who gets his kicks from savaging women and children.

You are disgusting.

It’s a hard-knock life for Harry and Meghan, guys. Have some empathy!

[quote] who gets his kicks from savaging women and children.

R486 is spot on in describing Ginger and Megs as children.

R487 you forgot to sign it as Darfur O

R489, Different orphan, same refrain.

r486 is an utterly depraved psycho who belongs nowhere within five hundred miles of DL.

I'm sorry for your loss, r485.

Thanks R491 - I can’t see R486 as I have them on block. For good reason, it would seem!

Harry merches for Jaguar. Doesn’t even make it subtle.

What kind of idiot would buy a Jaguar because of Harry? He would be a reason not to buy that overpriced status car.

The usual shirt-dress looks a bit better in white but compared to the superb green dress Kate is wearing today, Meghan looks like a hobo.

Meghan has been wearing a $550 "Evil Eye" necklace through her trip to Africa.

Doesn't seem to be working. Would be a lot more effective to stop behaving like a smug, condescending, fake humanitarian who lavishes public funds on herself as if she is a Saudi sheikh.

Wearing green is a diplomatic nod to Pakistan as well as to Islam in general, though the 'typical islamic' green is much a much lighter one than the one used in the Pakistani flag.

Plus, it's a colour Kate looks great in.

Oh, she even wears a lighter green fabric belt (coupled with the one the dress has got in the first place). Very diplomatic! Well done, Kate.

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Kate really thinks beyond the surface level with these outfits.

No idea whether she thinks of these diplomatically relevant details herself or gets advice, but anyway - if she thinks of these things herself, VERY awesome. If she does heed advice being given, awesome as well - and smart.

Probably a bit of both, r501. However, given the way she has dressed herself and their kids over the years, she seems to have an understanding of how she will be viewed from a historical perspective.

[quote]how she will be viewed from [bold]AN[/bold] historical perspective.

That was different facts, R484. But I do see your point, perhaps they have seized it as a new line of grift?

Love the DM sublet shade that Kate looks "typically elegant."

"Savaging women and children." Imagine white-knighting for two of the most privileged twits on the planet.

She must own that dress in a million colors, she doesn't even look good in it. I've seen her in blue, white, olive green etc...

Her waist size is what ? 34?

R507, Big mistake to emphasize your not so slim waist by tying the fabric belt into a big bow. Better to either not wear a belt or to wear it to the side in a simple knot. Then add a long pretty scarf around your neck is a visual distraction and lengthening tool.

Wow, all this nonsense just goes to show how effective the palace was when they created the 'Hero Harry' persona. Harry seems really unbalanced. He must have been an absolute nightmare to deal with behind the scenes.

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For those of you who like royal fashions, here is a book which may interest you.

I quite like Kate's earrings.

Kate on the cover.

A little Middleton perspective on the long term.

Meghan made another speech.

Edo and Beatrice attended a book launch yesterday. Beatrice still appears to be dressing up as some sort of Christmas decoration, which suggests we're in for one hell of a wedding dress. Also, is it just me or do they both look pretty young for their ages?

R517, I think they look tremendous. No other Royal women have been subjected to nastier insults than the two York sisters. They actually acknowledge the taunts a bit in this article. I felt badly for them, and remember how harsh I was to both of them over the years, and I have tried to pull back in some of my other posts So, if you think Harry and Meghan are the only Royals to whine, you'd be wrong. But the York sisters used a very different tone in their interview. My apologies if it's pay-walled for you. Many of us think Edo will actually be a nice husband for Beatrice, even though he's sort of a wild card.

R518, I apologize. The original article was British Vogue.

Edo and Bea will be fine. Edo and Baby Mama don't seem like a great love affair. They had a baby early in the relationship, no third party (besides baby) entered the picture so it suited them to share a residence rather than shuttle the kid between them, particularly since she travels a lot. I don't think he and Bea are a love match, at least not on his part - but he knows what to do and what's expected of him. His family has been around the Yorks all of his life.

When Harry and Meghan cry privacy (and "control" - the leaks from their POV are always basically "We want to do what we want when we want and control it all") it's not about privacy and control, it's about covering up whatever shady, dirty shit they're doing, and lies. The birth and pregnancy was full of dirty, shady shit. The shadiness around labor, the doctors, the hospitals - that wasn't privacy, hording images for a big payday or anything like that. It's the dirty shit they're hiding. Don't know if it's surrogate or what.

When Miss Meg was first seen after her pregnancy, particularly at the polo I thought I had the answer to what they'd been hiding. She looked totally pregnant in a way she had not looked while supposedly pregnant. The hair was a wreck, but there was a lot more of it. Sure you might say extensions, but it looked to me like growth women get when they're pregnant. And she wore flats a whole bunch. Before I saw her post-"pregnancy" I figured it was all about the surrogate and some type of glitch in the timing. They felt cornered and decided to rush into "She's had the baby!" and the first kid they presented WAS a doll. Not that Archie is a doll or there was NO real baby, but nothing's stopping them from trotting out a silicone version for convenience of various kinds. So I thought - well, she wanted to play Madonna on the tour, she wanted to steal Bea's thunder, she announced out of the gate that she was three months pregnant when she really was barely pregnant, and now they have to lie and hustle and bullshit around until the kid reaches the age where nobody knows the difference between a child that is three months older or younger than they're supposed to be. George and Charlotte are both at that age now. Not that hard for a messy duo like these two. But then a living Archie was finally unveiled and he looked about the right age. Not way too old for a May baby, as some say. Just about right, IMO. And WAY too young for an August baby. So I don't know what went down there but they have been hiding their bullshit, and their bullshit isn't about trying to monetize the kid, although they do that too.

Harry is a huge diva. A massive, spoiled, major narcissist and diva. So put upon. We can now see what the royal family has been hiding all this time with him. I think he bought his own press and honestly believes the public is sympathizing, and the various PR firms they employ are prompting their other clients to come forward and support them. All that'll accomplish is to alienate some of these celebrities from the public they're trying to sway, and we also know it's not sincere, as the Lion King premiere showed with the pained, touch-me-not vibes coming from Beyonce and Jay Z towards the Harkles.

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Harry's the real story here. I don't think Meghan has made money from being a Duchess. She's trying. She's trying to become A list, but in her own right, she still isn't. She doesn't have her own platform, hustle though she might. She doesn't have a personality people like. She just mimics things that are already verified effective (shit Diana did, shit Angelina Jolie did, shit Carolyn Bessette Kennedy did, stuff Kate Middleton did and does). She's notorious, she's got A list celebs playing the game inside the PR matrix, but don't think anybody is lining her pockets. Nobody's paying her 250K to have lunch with her. Nobody's paying her to merch or they'd send along a stylist and a tailor. Big labels don't send ill-fitting, poorly made versions of their stock to a celeb and let her walk about as if she pulled it out of the trash. They don't waste their money like that. Right now she's building a track record of images, but it's all just a bunch of empty images signifying and amounting to nothing. I think she's basically spinning, trying to land in the position that will finally let her pull in real money. At the end of the day, she'll come full circle and the money will have to come from the BRF, not her A list games. Her game has always been status and money, and she's still short $$$. Harry, I think, is more dangerous in a way than she is. He is MASSIVELY entitled, hugely spoiled, hates his brother and his brother's family (Richard III level jealousy IMO), and Granny and Dad will do nothing.

You really don't have to type that much on our account.

^Steal EUGENIE's thunder. Convinced the Vladimir tiara story is a cover up for her wanting to grab Eugenie's tiara like she'd grabbed her wedding date.

Fergie's tweet was incoherent but doubt it's alzheimer's. Probably drunk.

Reporting on the Times' reporting, the Daily Maul repeats that neither Charles nor William knew anything about the lawsuit launched by Dumb and Dumber.

An A-line V-Necked shaped dress would be perfect now on Meghan. The seamstress needs to keep the bodice as long as possible before flaring the A-silhouette.

Agree, R521, which is what makes their stans speculating on them taking the throne all the more sinister.

Why George and Charlotte seemed to have no rx with Unca H is now apparent.

She didn't actually "change course," so you're right R353. Turns out that the Humble Hunanitarian Duds were popped on for the ITV documentary Markle was filming. Besides, she wouldn't want to bring the good clothes and jewelry in front of the black poors. It might not be safe.

R13 later mail has it that Edo and Dara had a brief fling which resulted in the baby, and had broken up before she realised that she was pregnant. They became engaged because of the baby, but realised that their relationship as partners would not work, but that it would as parents. Apparently everything has worked out for them, and I really hope that it does for Edo and Bea.