Was the Virgin Mary the first #metoo?

God didn't poke her! He just squirted some jizz in her belly with his mind rays.

He has a point:

[quote]'The biblical god regularly punished disobedience,' Sprankle wrote. 'The power difference (deity vs mortal) and the potential for violence for saying 'no' negates her 'yes.'

Even if she agreed, it still wasn't consent, because God was technically Mary's superior.

I really have to say, the Satanists are pretty good at trolling.

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A university professor has accused God of sexual misconduct for impregnating Mary, the mother of Jesus, without her 'consent'.

Eric Sprankle, an associate professor of clinical psychology and sexuality studies at Minnesota State University-Mankato, criticized the Biblical Christmas story, saying the Christian deity was 'predatory' .

'The virgin birth story is about an all-knowing, all-powerful deity impregnating a human teen,' Sprankle wrote on Twitter. 'There is no definition of consent that would include that scenario. Happy Holidays.'

Responding to Sprankle, someone else pointed out that Mary discusses God's plans with the angel Gabriel in the story of the Annunciation and tells him: 'I am the Lord's servant, may your word to me be fulfilled.'

Sprankle, however, remained convinced that Mary could not have consented, given God's vast power over her.

'The biblical god regularly punished disobedience,' Sprankle wrote. 'The power difference (deity vs mortal) and the potential for violence for saying 'no' negates her 'yes.'

'To put someone in this position is an unethical abuse of power at best and grossly predatory at worst,' the professor wrote.

Sprankle is an apparent Satanist, whose Twitter bio includes the phrase 'Hail Satan' in Latin.

He has also posted pictures of the Satanic Christmas decorations in his home, and complained about the abundance of Christian student groups and lack of Satanic groups on his university's campus.

Sprankle's accusation brought a rush of skeptical reactions from other users on Twitter.

'Does it make more logical sense to believe what you’re saying or to believe that the infinite and all-knowing God of the universe intentionally chose someone who he knew would consider it a blessing and be happy to agree?' one asked.

'Eric, the entire story involves Mary's consent, and would not have happened without it. The amazing part of the story is God's request for her consent (it was required!). Part of the reason Mary is venerated is that her willing 'yes' to God's request results in our salvation,' another wrote.

'So courageous. Now do Mohammed,' requested another.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

God uses people as vessels, literally and figuratively.

God created planets and commited genocide.

Did God ask Adam to sign a donor consent card before taking his rib to create Eve?

God's cock was so tiny she couldn't even feel him fucking her, poor thing.

R6 No one ever complains about MY penis size.

She was the first #metwo: God the father and Joseph at the same time. God knows who is the father!

There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I can't explain what happened.

As you all know, this is just a made up story.

There is no such thing as a virgin birth and nobody has ever risen from the dead. Not ever.

In all seriousness, this thread got me thinking: Was the baby really Joseph's, and the two of them cooked up a story to save face, or did Mary fuck some other guy while she was engaged to Joseph? What do historians say?

R11, there is no historical evidence that Jesus of Nazareth ever existed, so it would be pure speculation to answer your question based on the Bible.

Mary got fucked just like everyone else.

But.. did she?

There is some evidence that Jesus existed r12, whether or not people believe he was the son of God is another story.

[quote]There is some evidence that Jesus existed

Really? Where?

The Gemara mentions several "rabbis from the Galilee performing wonders (miracles?)", but none by name.

When I was a kid r11 I wondered what if Joseph and Mary (or Mary alone)cooked up the story to explain her pregnancy. Clearly she had to go big with her lie or she was getting stoned to death, so she claimed it was God’s baby, fooling enough people that she got away with it. Of course once the story was believed she then had to raise her son as the son of Christ. So that’s what he believed too.

The only place my theory fell down on was when Jesus was sentenced to death. I figured if Mary was anything like my mom she would have owned up then, sacrificing herself for her kid. That was the last I ever thought of it until now.

Hard evidence maybe not r16 but there are scholars, Christians and non-christians, who believe that a lot of the Epistles of Paul were actually written by Paul and he makes reference to Jesus.

There was also Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian who refers to him in his writings. Calls Jesus a man who was virtuous and good. Refers to him having a brother names James.

There are lots more references to him in historical writings. Although to be fair a lot of it was just word of mouth. I studied history at university, however not theology so this isn’t really my area. Personally I think it’s quite possible Jesus the man existed, but whether he was anything more than a man who believed himself the son of God is a matter of faith I guess and I’m not religious.

R11 here. I'm an atheist, but had always heard that, as R18 says, there was some historical evidence that Jesus the man did exist. For now, I'm operating from that premise, hence my question: Was it Joseph who got Mary pregnant before marriage, or was it someone else?

It would help to know something about betrothal in those days. Would Mary and Joseph have known and liked each other, or would this have been a strictly arranged-by-family deal? If the former, maybe they were fooling around. If the latter, I'm inclined to believe that Jesus was someone else's baby, and Mary had to think fast to salvage the situation.

R17, I'm not sure I follow your reasoning re: Mary and the crucifixion. How would her confession that Jesus was not, in fact, a deity have helped him at that point? The Romans already knew that. They killed him because he was a political pain in the ass, not because they actually believed that he was the son of God.

Yep I know R19, but I was just a kid when I came up with this theory and that was my reasoning then.

There's a book called "Jesus the Magician" that is pretty interesting. Jesus's "miracles" were all common things magicians of his time period did. Remember Jesus spent his teenage and adult years in Egypt studying at the mystery schools there where they taught this. He just happened to be the one they decided to use as the figurehead of their new religion.

The Greek Magical papyri even have methods and possibly the same ones Jesus used to achieve "godhood" by binding himself to a spirit.

So yeah, Mary probably made up the story because she wasn't married yet or something.

#resurrection bump

Every good Catholic was taught that Mary was artificially inseminated by an angel using god's sperm.

Or something like that. Nuns were very confusing to me in my youth.

The Blessed Mother, Mary, gave her consent to God, through the Archangel Gabriel.

[quote]There is no such thing as a virgin birth

Not true.

But God's power is so much greater than Mary's, which means her consent was coerced! it's exactly like Monica giving blowjobs to Bill Clinton!

Wouldn't it be a blessing if #metoo was able to completely throw out Christianity from society.

It IS hypocritical of any of the SJWs who #metoo to also be Christian. Someone should point that out to them. They're condoning rape and misogyny!

Bitch, please.

Was she the first one to scream "Oh my GOD!" during sex?

"God fucked me" was just the excuse she gave Joseph.

[quote] There was also Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian who refers to him in his writings. Calls Jesus a man who was virtuous and good. Refers to him having a brother names James.

The Josephus reference is well-known to have been inserted much later in because, in fact, there are no historic references to Jesus.

[quote] there was some historical evidence that Jesus the man did exist.

In fact there are NO contemporary accounts of anyone fitting the description of Jesus. In fact at least 40 years separates the death of Jesus and the writing of the first Gospel. Not a single writer of a gospel witnessed Jesus.

[quote] There's a book called "Jesus the Magician" that is pretty interesting. Jesus's "miracles" were all common things magicians of his time period did.

Yes, at the time "magic" was used to show that one religious leader was somehow more powerful than the other. In fact, even in the Moses story, when the serpent controlled by Moses killed that controlled by the Pharaoh, it's a show that my God is stronger that your God.

At the time, many people also claimed to be the Messiah as it was commonly felt that the end of times was near. John the Baptist had a cult around him, claiming he was the Messiah. In the Christian story of Jesus baptizing John, it was a signal to John's followers that John accepted Jesus as the Messiah (whether or not that Baptism actually happened)

Mary's "virgin" birth is actually a mistranslation of the Hebrew Old Testament. The Old Testament says the Messiah will come from a YOUNG woman.

In trying to create the story that Jesus is the Messiah, the writers of the New Testament mistranslated the Hebrew and made up a crazy story of how his mother was sexually a virgin.

There is some thought that the character of Jesus is actually a composite of two men who existed at the time.

Interesting how "Christ" is so close to the Hindu god "Krishna," who also was born of a virgin mother....

[quote] There are lots more references to him in historical writings.

In fact, there are none.

Roman historians swarmed the area (and all over the Roman Empire) at the time, but there isn't a single reference to anyone named Jesus or who acted like him.

Josephus (born after Jesus had died) wrote:

"Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day."

Scholars question the authenticity of this because he writed "He was the Christ" and "He appeared to them alive again the third day."--obviously this passage was tampered with by Christian writers.

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[quote]'The biblical god regularly punished disobedience,' Sprankle wrote. 'The power difference (deity vs mortal) and the potential for violence for saying 'no' negates her 'yes.'

[quote]Even if she agreed, it still wasn't consent, because God was technically Mary's superior.

Is it really clear which side he's mocking? Or is he simply an equal opportunity mocker of the ridiculous, irrespective or side.

The Bible as a whole is pretty rape-positive.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. None of this shit ever happened. The Bible has been discredited. Repeatedly. The earth is billions of years old, humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor, and snakes can't talk.

Jesus Himself said it best:

That shirt! That tie! He's a visual sacrilege.

It wasn’t me!

The Virgin birth is a piece of propaganda started years after the supposed death of Jesus and it was started by a guy who supposedly only met him through a vision.

Yeah, I think Jesus was a magician, and the "miracle" and virgin birth stuff was tacked on later to compete with other religions.