Bishop Michael Curry - Breakout Star Of The Royal Wedding!

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It must be such an affront to the cobwebby side of the royal family to have this black dude preacher carry on like that. And of course the Brits aren't used to that sort of emoting. Hahahahaha!!!

I have never been to a wedding where someone preached a sermon.

I hated the speech.

Waaayyy too long. Also, inappropriate for the venue.

It wasn't an American fire and brimstone type of environment.

It was a WEDDING, with the BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY in attendance.

Out of consideration for the 600 guests, he should have taken up less time, and he should have made it about the couple.

Unfortunately (for everyone), the guy made it all about himself.

For me, he was the absolute worst part of the wedding ceremony.

The Queen should have vetoed this.

Well, who invited him in the first place? They're to blame.

OP. What is a "primate" of the Church?

[quote]Well, who invited him in the first place? They're to blame.

Who the hell do you think? Dora, the mother-in-law.

I don't know where OP and r1 got their clips from. That's not what was presented in the church.

This is what was presented in the church:

R3, every Catholic wedding includes a sermon.

He sucked.

The sermon is being criticized by most of the British press. As well, it should be.

Some traditional things should remain traditional.

Oh, well. Too late now.

Yup, embarrassingly long-winded and rambling. It will be chalked up alongside the father who sold 'humorous' pre-wedding photos to the paparazzi, and had to be ejected from the guest list to avoid overshadowing the wedding, the various siblings and assorted trailer trash relatives selling tell-all stories to the tabloids etc etc. This is what happens when you marry an American ...

[quote]every Catholic wedding includes a sermon.

But they're not Catholic.

Oh, Mary r12, there's enough trash and trashy behavior among the royals to compete with the Americans. When Charles said he wanted to be Camilla's tampon? HAHAHAHA!

The only thing anyone will remember about this wedding is Curry going on and on and on.

[Quote]OP. What is a "primate" of the Church?

"The chief bishop in an Anglican Province is called a primate. In the United States, the Presiding Bishop serves as 'Chief Pastor and Primate.'"

[quote]The only thing anyone will remember about this wedding is Curry going on and on and on.

Don't I know it. I said, "Charles, we're going to be late to the wedding" and he said, "But I need to stop and get an Indian takeaway." And now I have to sit upwind of him.

Meh, he’s got nothing on me.

“The chickens have come home to roost!”

You know what happens when you marry a royal you don't love and who doesn't love you but his old biddy grandmother decreed he must marry someone he never loved, r12? You end up dead in a tunnel. And then he goes on to marry the old bitch he wanted to marry in the first place.

Don't go on about Americans, r12. At least we had the good sense to dump these royal leeches 242 years ago.

Jason Carroll was reporting for CNN, and Don Lemon asked him what the people lining the streets thought about the wedding.

The first thing he said was, "well they thought sermon was really long..." Amen to that!

ROFL!

Umm, that was not his biddy old grandmother R19, it was his mother.

The fat nelly queen from Little Britain did it way better.

The bishop's sermon was reminiscent of that of a Baptist or Pentecostal preacher. The difference was that his was actually rather brief and precise. These types of sermons typically last over an hour in the Baptist and Pentecostal churches, with many shouts of "yaess," "alright," "say it," and, of course, "amen!" by the congregants throughout. Some even rock their heads (the bride mother did that a bit), or swoon their bodies to such spiritual messages. It's certainly an African-derived expression of faith, which is very familiar to the average Black American.

It was, apparently, unfamiliar to most of the non-black viewers, especially those outside of the United States, but it was a wonderful reminder, and a show of respect, of the African American culture that forms part of the Lady of Sussex's identity. I'm glad they included this in the wedding. It was also a thoughtful gesture to the many African Americans who identify with Meghan.

Curry hijacked the wedding to use as his own spotlight. Like he was auditioning for something big and using the world stage to do it. He was long winded, theatrical and totally inappropriate. The royal family looked pained or ready to burst into giggles and even the bride was cringing. Nothing wrong with having a black bishop at the wedding but not this one. Poor judgement on somebody's part. Oh well, every wedding has its highs and lows. Otherwise it was a beautiful wedding.

[quote] it was a wonderful reminder, and a show of respect, of the African American culture that forms part of the Lady of Sussex's identity. I'm glad they included this in the wedding. It was also a thoughtful gesture to the many African Americans who identify with Meghan.

That's fine.

But he should have EDITED the speech.

Much of it was redundant, and he could have done without a few of the irrelevant anecdotes. All I heard was LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, FIRE, FIRE, FIRE, FIRE.

One love and one fire would have been sufficient.

Even that guy Richard Quest on CNN mentioned that the 13 minute speech probably could have been whittled down to 10, and people would have gotten the same message. I totally agree.

I'm sure he'll have representation in Hollywood by the end of next week. And I'm also sure that's what he was aiming for all along.

Isn’t this pastor an Episcopalian??

Then why is he trying to act like some kind of Baptist?

Doesn’t matter, they are all fake pagan religions anyway.

Don Lemon was being very annoying, when discussing this Curry guy.

He was so defensive, and kept repeating, "well he made some people uncomfortable... but in a GOOD way."

No, Don. He made people uncomfortable. Period. It was inappropriate, and he took the focus off of the people who SHOULD HAVE BEEN the focus.

Last time I checked, airplanes, smart phones and tablets are not powered by fire. That pastor was just as offensive as Dora's nose piercing.

Awful speech. He was too long and kept repeating the same nonsense over and over again. What the he'll was he waffling on about? Can someone explain? I half expected him to shout " oh yeah praise de lawwd'

I would have preferred a Juanita Bynum sermon.

[quote]But they're not Catholic.

He’s Episcopalian. Almost Catholic.

Simmer down, you old biddies. This is the New World. This is Top Tier Hipster Hoopla and this couple wanted this preacher. They knew this would result. I can't wait to see this Royal Couple's brand.

Preacher man was uninspiring.

[quote]this couple wanted this preacher.

I think Meghan wanted him. Harry just went along with it.

The cameras caught attendees laughing at him, as were Harry and Meg.

Um, no r21, Charles was schooled by Grandma not to marry a divorcee and marry this impressionable young virgin Diana. Or at least she had a big hand in it.

r28, Don Lemon felt the need to defend what he thought would be insider mockery at this old black-style preacher. And outside mockery as it turned out .Lawdy, Donnie was even going on about the hats of American black ladies in church on Easter and Mother's Day, like a good black gay boy should.

“it was a wonderful reminder, and a show of respect, of the African American culture that forms part of the Lady of Sussex's identity.”

Oh, my sides!

Although, I DID find his sermon quite entertaining, the way Al Sharpton’s shit-stirring is.

R19 - well, Americans voted for Trump so don't get too high and mighty.

I didn't vote for him, r40. Intelligent Americans can't be held responsible for the stupidity and mutant behavior of other Americans, just like Brits who hated Thatcher can't be held accountable for the stupid Brits who voted for her. So don't get too high and mighty, r40.

Obama was also elected twice, r40. By Americans.

[quote]well, Americans voted for Trump so don't get too high and mighty.

And Brits voted for Teresa May.

AND we decided we didn't want to live in a society where we had to bow to an old lady in a diamond-encrusted tiara.

Also, r40, Trump wasn't just elected by Americans. He had a little help from Russia and Julian Assange (and Comey). So there's that.

The preacher would be fine in a church in the South where they scream "Hallelujah" after every sentence.

He was ALL WRONG for a Church of England marriage service for a member of the British Royal Family.

His mesage and style of delivery just didn't gel for the occasion. There 's a time for fire and brimstone and a time for a more modest sermon,

Well, we now know why black folks stay in church all day.

Charles was looking down at his programme through most of it, cringing. There was no need to try to school the audience on such basic tenets of the human experience.

Listening from another room, I thought he was Jeremiah Wright, the Obama's Chicago preacher.

I'm sure he came from the Oprah list of Things I Like Best. Meghan never really expressed a strong interest in church.

Poor Harry and Megan will have to thank him effusively for participating. Meghan will bring her acting skills to that!

It's a real shame they didn't show any reaction shots of Princess Michael of Kunt.

Meghan already off on the wrong foot. That's strike 1 Meg, the queen does not forget. You don't want to end up like Diana.

The preacher was ridiculous. But since all religion and preaching are, I see little difference if it's one or the other. Apparently, the issue is that there was a departure from dry British decorum in the delivery of hypocritical religious doggerel. I get it. But really it's all the sane to me.

*same to me. (Hahaha--because it IS all insane.)

Her majesty will be the most accepting of it. She is leader of the Church of England, and very spiritually committed person. She will be nothing but inclusive of other faiths, as she has always demonstrated.

Pretty sure her husband was having none of it though. And Charles looked like he was right pissed about it too.

[quote]It was, apparently, unfamiliar to most of the non-black viewers, especially those outside of the United States, but it was a wonderful reminder, and a show of respect, of the African American culture that forms part of the Lady of Sussex's identity.

"....the African American culture that forms part of the Lady of Sussex's identity."

Oh please....

As a side note: In our current world where we have Trump, Putin, Erdogan, Netanyahoo (sp) etc. spewing hate and division we need SOMEONE to take the stage and actually point out our connections.. and love is our ONE commonality on this planet.... and on a cynical note he is trying to keep the Episcopal church relevant /revived.

I think Don Lemon said, "Black culture is British culture."

I almost fell off my stationery bike when I heard that!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

It was instead a display of pure narcissism.

YES R59

It was indulgent and FAKE: guy needs to find another acting coach!

Arent preachers supposed to be FREE of ego??

I was waiting for him to pass the plate:

R60 It is pathetic to hear people like R57 gushing over this nonsense.

What made it bad wasn't what he said, it was where he chose to say it. If he were in front of politicians at a memorial for a mass shooting and went off like that, I would praise him.

This is a wedding. It's not supposed to be about anyone but the bride and groom.

The Queen is grateful that the rules of the church precluded her from seeing the Bishop shoot his mouth off. If she wants to see a Primate, it's a short trip to the London Zoo.

And finally we hear from the racist side of all this preacher controversy @ r63. Record time.

It must've been bad, R64, because I can't see it. GOOD

It was a funny comment and only racist if you want it to be. R64 wants it to be.

Weddings and sermons of any kind - but especially fiery ones - just don't go together in my mind, sorry. They needlessly divert attention away from the couple.

r66, if you equate calling black people as primates with humor, you're a real winner. I don't.

I was SO hoping to see Oprah, Serena, or Doria do this at some point during his sermon.

Shit, is that what the asshole did? Compare the minister to a primate?

Christ, R66, you're a fucking asshole. Shouldn't you be in a cafe screaming at people for speaking another language?

Amazing how r66 thinks dehumanizing black people by calling them monkeys can be justified as harmless "humor."

[quote]if you equate calling black people as primates with humor, you're a real winner. I don't.

Well, that's the way your mind works. And it says all we need to know about you.

Black or White or Asian, the guy is a primate.

And primates are also found in the zoo.

r72, I was waiting for an explanation like that, which we all know wasn't what was intended by the racist making the remark.

[quote]It's a real shame they didn't show any reaction shots of Princess Michael of Kunt.

She was quietly swaying in her seat Deep down, she really wants to be loved, especially by a black man, a black man who can penetrate her very...soul.

R73, the same type of idiot who no doubt made excuses for the cops being called two minutes after a couple of blacks guys walk into Starbucks.

R73 You sound racist.

R72, just accept that you're a fucking douchebag and move on.

r76, you type stupid.

Anglican weddings always include a sermon. And, in Christian marriage it is not all about the Bride and Groom, there are supposed to be three members of a Christian marriage, the bride, the groom, and God.

Exactly. The primary focus in a Christian Church wedding is on God, not the bride and groom.

You can almost see when the Bishop decides he’s gonna go for it. He warms up to it and the rest is history.

Leave it to Datalounge to slam a guy who worked his ass off to make gay marriage in the Episcopal Church a reality.

R82, I'm sure he's a good and decent man, but everyone could see he went on way too long and was over-the-top for an event that didn't call for it.

Well then, r82, don't you think they should make him a Dame? He certainly looks like he should be one.

Who the FUCK cares about this British bullshit? Quick, maybe we can have 60 or 70 threads about this British hillbilly fuckery! Watch the Queen eat dinner off of Chinette on a folding plastic lawnchair, making toasts with a red Solo cup! Watch the media trip over themselves at how progressive the royal wedding is without referring to the bride as "that quadroon"! Watch Datalounge eviscerate SOME of the horse-faced, toothy royals for being TOO horse-faced and toothy! FUCKING YAWN. If this is the best that monarchy can do, maybe it's time to wheel out the guillotines.

r85 just fell off his meds.

I enjoyed the pastor/ not only the message but how shocked some Royals would be by the pastor. Well done I say!

r87, one thing I will say for Elizabeth: she's not shockable (at this point).

The speech was too long. He also said something about "sexual love." Damn, reverend, his grandmother is sitting right there.

Not since this...

Someone should have vetted the speech. Rambling, endless.

R89, that was the Anglican bishop that said something about sexual union. It was kinda gross. I think Harry and Meghan both smirked.

[quote]It was, apparently, unfamiliar to most of the non-black viewers, especially those outside of the United States, but it was a wonderful reminder, and a show of respect, of the African American culture that forms part of the Lady of Sussex's identity.

Dear, I'm pretty sure that was very unfamiliar to the new Duchess of Sussex as well. She didn't exactly grow up in Alabama.

R91, I think he went off script. He was moved by the spirit. It was ridiculous.

The first few minutes were alright, then he went completely off the rails. He made it about himself, completely destroyed the flow and tone of the ceremony, demonstrated unecessary and amateurish theatrics, and completely undermined the focus of the wedding, which was Harry and Megan, to make it about him, not God, not love, him. He was a guest in their church, in their country, not the other way around.I was embarrased as an American, as he exhibited all the stereotypical traits that the Brits view in us--loud, obnoxious, indulgent and inappropriate.

If he had stopped when he said "We gotta get you two married" then I think it wouldn't have been a big deal. The problem was, everyone heard that and thought he was about to stop, and he didn't.

R94 says it all.

It was overblown, attention seeking ,and amateurish.

Besides being poorly acted.

Could have dealt with all the rest had he been a better actor/performer.

Because thats most of what he was doing.

Still. I loved the mixing of cultures for a change

[quote]Donnie was even going on about the hats of American black ladies in church on Easter and Mother's Day, like a good black gay boy should.

But this man was an Episcopalian, not a Baptist.

R41 Thatcher did tremendous good for the UK. IT was falling apart at the seams with the UNELECTED unions demanding power. Se emasculated them and allowed a middle class of self employed people to develop. People got to buy their own homes. To bad if they were dumb enough to sell them for a fortune, blow the money on booze, bingo and holidays to Magaluf, and wonder how the fuck they became homeless.

He was invited because the American Episcopal Church is the closest relation to the Anglican Church/Church of England (they share roots).

Appropriate or not it was done by the royal family and/or their advisors.

Good for him for shaking up the staid, stuffy royals.

I liked his speech. It was a bit ramble-y, but it was satisfying to see some soul injected into the heart of the British establishment.

R98 didn’t live under Thatcher.

He was a fucking trainwreck, little of his shit made any sense and his endless word salad reminded me of Trump. The whole wedding was just random,. but he was the perfect example of tacky American trash having no idea of the tone and being a total embarrassment

Diana's brother, the Earl Spencer, should have told him to STFU and given the speech. He was magnificent when he delivered the eulogy at Diana's funeral.

Stunt queen

In one of the many pre-wedding articles, it was written that the happy couple wanted to include an American clergyman and someone (sorry, I don't remember who) (perhaps an English clergyman) told them that Bishop Curry was well known.

I don't believe either Sparkle or Harry had ever met him before or heard him preach.

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I'm witcha, Momsie!

Caftans, earrings.

I also enjoyed the speech. As to the Royals who seemed bewildered at it, keep in mind we're not talking about the most self-aware bunch of people. It seemed quite a few of the younger crowd e.g. David Beckham and especially Harry and Meghan, whose opinions should count most of all) got it, smiling and nodding at appropriate times. As to who invited Bishop Curry, I beleive he was actually recommended by the archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, but Harry and Meghan obviously gave their approval.

Bishop Curry IS well known in mainline American Protestant circles (admittedly a decreasingly small world).

He is a respected church leader and the Presiding Bishop (also called “Primate) of the Episcopalian Church - which is the US version of the Church of England.

His sermon (not “speech”) is what happens when priests attempt to seem hip. But, anyone who thinks it was a Baptist style fire and brimstone sermon has never been to a Baptist worship service.

I thought the chapel looked lovely - especially all the stained glass. And Meghan was beautiful.

It won’t be long now until Prince Harry loses his hair like his brother. I hope he keeps his beard. William should grow one two - like King George V.

Religious nutjob

R99 he just repeated the same shit over and over again, yes we get it Love is powerful!

THANK YOU R112--

Embarrassing

Embarassing appearance as an affirmative action hire. No one in a position of such stature should be that obviously illiterate. And he apparently gets an enthusiastic pass because he has so much soul, and you know, black people are expected to be like that.

He's a pompous fool with his head up his own ass so far he can taste his breakfast.

This "woke" shit is like having a toddler insist it's going to tediously explain how to walk to you so you GET IT RIGHT.

"Embarrassing appearance as an affirmative action hire."

exactly R114-----and love the toddler analogy R115

I think he updated his own Wikipedia page, to give himself a star review on the wedding speech.

"His enthusiastic style was well received by both the newlyweds and guests"

Poor Bishop Morgan Freeman.

Cant believe anyone could concievably interpret the looks on Harry and Megans faces as this guy continued to carry on as anything but shock/horror/embarrasment/prayer that this will end soon. To say as one person just did that they seemed to like it and approve of it is insane. They were clearly mortified, and had no choice but to keep a stiff upper lip while knowingly communicating their discomfort to each other through their eye contact and subtle facial expressions. ( It actually showed how authentically connected they really are.) I would LOVE to hear the conversation between the two of them when they were finally able to talk about it!

Saw an interview of him on the news he kept going on and on and on about Meg and Harry’s love he needs to get bitch slapped.

[quote]It was, apparently, unfamiliar to most of the non-black viewers, especially those outside of the United States, but it was a wonderful reminder, and a show of respect, of the African American culture that forms part of the Lady of Sussex's identity.

First, she's not the "Lady of Sussex" you rube. Secondly: know your audience. He's an Episcopalian not southern baptist. The Queen is the head of his church, and she was most definitely not amused by his nonsense. He looked like he was one step away from bringing out a snake and speaking in tounges. Meghan was raised Catholic, so I'm not sure why she invited this twit.

The choir was dull, the cello player was dull, the black preacher was a fucking disaster, the showcasing of black culture was a massive fucking flop

I liked the choir singing Stand By Me. But yeah every other attempt at diversity was a bit of a shitshow. Preacher should have been yanked from the pulpit after 5 minutes.

Embarrassing

You just know he will try to extend those 15 minutes as long as possible.

I wonder if the preacher would have been so enthusiastic had they been a gay couple?

"What I was attempting to do was to describe the deep pain for L.G.B.T. folk who’ve had to live with not being accepted by the church of Jesus Christ. And sometimes by families and loved ones, and by society. I wanted my brothers to know that our actions would bring them real pain. I said, anytime anybody is excluded, it hurts. I can tell you in all honesty my brothers listened. They did listen."

Bishop Michael Curry in support of gay marriage

Originally, I focused more on the speech going way over the allotted time. Upon a second viewing, I realized that it really had a great message that was a call for social justice.

the kid who played the cello was the breakout star. even if the message of his sermon was inspiring,rev was a shameless attention whore whose theatrics were inappropriate for this occasion. revs grandstanding makes one understand why many women become ruthless bridezillas when they wed.

Uncle Remus comes to da castle.

yay!!!

"To bad if they were dumb enough to sell them for a fortune, blow the money on booze, bingo and holidays to Magaluf, and wonder how the fuck they became homeless."--r98

Ohhh--so THAT'S how people in the UK became homeless under Thatcher. LMFAO. (Love the typo, btw.)

r98 would have you believe the only people who hated Thatcher were guilty of the above as he puts it in the quote--as if what he describes was a regular occurrence when it fact it wasn't. He's just making shit up. Of course no one with a brain believes him.

Thatcher was a cunt and r98 is a troll. That is all.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in the thread but some analysts claims Bishop Curry was making a pro gay marriage statement when he was talking about love in any form. This is the quote from the article:

"Bishop Curry’s comments about the power of love “in any form or experience of it” appeared aimed at the Church of England’s ban on gay marriage. The Episcopal Church is part of the global Anglican Communion and it falls under the titular leadership of the Archbishop of Canterbury, The Most Rev. Justin Welby, who directs the Church of England. Bishop Curry has been a strong advocate of LGBT rights and the U.S. church has been sanctioned by the Communion for blessing same-sex marriages. As an African-American, Bishop Curry has often drawn comparisons between the mistreatment of black people and the bigotry experienced by much of the LGBT community. “What I believe about human equality and dignity is grounded in what I believe about the love of God,” he told The New York Times in 2016."

Hard to believe the Royals didn't insist on vetting his speech beforehand.

Liz ain't got time for all that shit, Bishop.

[quote] Meghan was raised Catholic

No, I don't think so. She attended a Catholic high school, but I don't believe she was a Catholic.

Ahhhh, baby gays who think marriage has any import, you sad boys 'We can be evicted and fired from our jobs, but we are mawwied'