What is the Harvard of the South?

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Original Post It's not Duke. And it's not Vanderbuild. by: Anonymous 223 posts 09/23/07 @23:37

That's like asking which school is the Harvard for the Mentally Challenged. by: Anonymous reply 1 09/23/07 @23:41 Bob Jones University! by: Anonymous reply 2 09/23/07 @23:42 "And it's not Vanderbuild." Ahhh, UVA. So close, yet so far. by: Anonymous reply 3 09/23/07 @23:44 Definitely UVA. by: Anonymous reply 4 09/23/07 @23:46 I remember once visiting the Eastern Missouri University campus and seeing it billed itself as the Harvard of the Midwest. It was so touching. It's like Des Moines, IA calling itself the Paris of the Plains. by: Anonymous reply 5 09/23/07 @23:47 No such thing. That's like asking who is the Jon Stewart of the Republicans. by: Anonymous reply 6 09/23/07 @23:48 Emory? Rice? The University of Virginia? UNC-Chapel Hill? William and Mary? by: Anonymous reply 7 09/23/07 @23:48 Don't make me say it... by: Stephen Colbert reply 8 09/23/07 @23:48 Tulane by: Anonymous reply 9 09/23/07 @23:50 If we have to pick one, I'd say Rice. by: Anonymous reply 10 09/23/07 @23:52 Yale by: Anonymous reply 11 09/23/07 @23:54 Emory, Duke, or Vanderbilt. UVA? Please. UVA isn't even in the top 20 schools. Being close doesn't count. by: Anonymous reply 12 09/23/07 @23:54 Say it, Stephen, say it! by: Homer reply 13 09/23/07 @23:54 R9, I agree. by: NOLA reply 14 09/23/07 @23:54 The REAL Republicans, Stephen! ;) by: R6 reply 15 09/23/07 @23:55 Regent University. by: Dr. M.G. “Pat” Robertson, president, chancellor and news anchor. reply 16 09/23/07 @23:56 R12, you know those rankings are SUBJECTIVE right? by: Anonymous reply 17 09/23/07 @23:57 I'd say it's William and Mary. It's the only college I know of in the south anyway. by: Anonymous reply 18 09/23/07 @23:58 Rice by: Anonymous reply 19 09/23/07 @23:59 The real answer is Homer's first response: Duke. by: Anonymous reply 20 09/23/07 @23:59 At least they aren't based on a bunch of dler's opinions, r17. by: Anonymous reply 21 09/24/07 @00:01 No, the rankings are 25% subjective criteria and 75% objective criteria. It's Duke or Rice, period. Vanderbilt and Emory are runner-ups. Tulane? C'mon. William & Mary and UVA are good, but they're still state schools. Davidson is cream of the crop if you're talking about the Amherst of the South. by: Anonymous reply 22 09/24/07 @00:03 Tulane = rednecks Rice = hicks Vandy = safety school Duke = too many yankees Emory = geek central Chapel Hill = wannabees by: UVA '05 reply 23 09/24/07 @00:04 OP=High school dropout by: Anonymous reply 24 09/24/07 @00:06 Isn't this much like guessing which particular turd in a catbox is the prettiest? by: Anonymous reply 25 09/24/07 @00:11 Harvard is the Harvard of the South, love. We are not a regional institution. by: D.G. Faust reply 26 09/24/07 @00:11 R5 it was Northeast Missouri State (now Truman University)... US News and World Report called it the Harvard of the Midwest and so for a while they called themselves that....until a new president of the university said it was embarrassing. by: Anonymous reply 27 09/24/07 @00:11 "It's Duke or Rice, period. Vanderbilt and Emory are runner-ups. Tulane? C'mon. William & Mary and UVA are good, but they're still state schools." Um, that second "state school" you're turning your nose up at was founded by Thomas Jefferson ... you know, author of the Declaration of Independence, Founding Father, third president, polymath, arguably the most important figure in American history, etc. It also receives surprisingly little financial support from the state, thanks to Virginia's tightwad Republican legislature; tuition and alumni donations cover most of its costs, just like - gasp! - Harvard. Oh, and it's the only university on the continent that's a UNESCO World Heritage Site. I'll give you Duke, but Rice? Bitch, please. Great science program, but not much else. Plus, it has the ignominy of being located in Houston. by: kirker (authenticated) + reply 28 09/24/07 @00:13 "No, the rankings are 25% subjective criteria and 75% objective criteria." No, all of it is subjective. They can claim it is "objective" all they want, but it's mostly based on "academic reputation" which is a totally subjective concept. "William & Mary and UVA are good, but they're still state schools." There are lots of great state schools. And plenty of shitty private schools. by: Anonymous reply 29 09/24/07 @00:14 Duke. I can't believe we're even having this discussion. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, Stanford, MIT, CalTech and UChicago are what I think of as "the good schools" (at least as far as major universities go). Rice is good, but it's definitely not in that league. UVA and UNC both provide decent educations, but they're public schools. by: Anonymous reply 30 09/24/07 @00:15 this person has no idea what they're talking about: Tulane = rednecks not even remotely. thinking of louisiana tech? tulane's student body is heavily jewish Rice = hicks what? total engineering geek school. not hicks. Vandy = safety school has turned into a premed factory, very christian and republican. Duke = too many yankees this from someone who went to uva? everybody at virginia state schools is from the dc suburbs or jersey or trying to act like they are. not even faintly southern. meaning pretty much exactly like duke. Emory = geek central true. nobody but premeds, and like tulane heavily jewish. Chapel Hill = wannabees they should increase the out of state percentage. the dumbasses from nc are holding down the sat average. by: Anonymous reply 31 09/24/07 @00:19 What is the Harvard of the South? That would be an oxymoron. by: Anonymous reply 32 09/24/07 @00:21 "Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, Stanford, MIT, CalTech and UChicago are what I think of as "the good schools" (at least as far as major universities go)." Uh, hello? Forget somebody? by: Northwestern reply 33 09/24/07 @00:27 R29, look it up. 25% subjective reputation survey or college presidents. 75% mix of different objective criteria. I'm not fan of the rankings, but facts are facts. Indeed, but we're talking about the cream of the crop of both, and the cream of the crop of private schools have far more resources (and higher selectivity) than the cream of the crop of public schools. Michigan, Berkeley, UVA, UNC -- none of them crack the top 20. Doesn't mean they're bad - chill out. by: Anonymous reply 34 09/24/07 @00:29 r31, you're wrong about Emory. It's much more than pre-meds, unlike what people outside of the school automatically assume. About 80% of the people who start out pre-med end up changing to something else because the sciences are too hard for them. They get weeded out early. But there are a lot of business school kids, pre-law/political science kids, and liberal arts students who come in that way. Although, I'll give you that it is heavily Jewish. Many of them are from Long Island. I know this for a fact. by: Anonymous reply 35 09/24/07 @00:30 I agree, r34. by: r12 reply 36 09/24/07 @00:33 Thank you, r33 by: Anonymous reply 37 09/24/07 @00:33 Does anyone from any of these fine southern schools ever wonder why no one ever refers to Harvard, Yale or Princeton as "The Duke of the north"? by: Anonymous reply 38 09/24/07 @00:35 Either Rice or Sewanee by: Anonymous reply 39 09/24/07 @00:40 R38, because there is no such thing as an "Ivy League" in the south. Harvard, Princeton and Yale have been labeled with that monicker for decades. No such animal below the M-D, so nothing to make a similar comparison. by: Anonymous reply 40 09/24/07 @00:41 You have all missed the school that has been calling itself the "Harvard of the South" for decades, namely, the University of Tulsa. Curious oversight! by: Anonymous reply 41 09/24/07 @01:00 The other candidates you missed: The University of the South Rhodes College Rollins College Hampden-Sydney Birmingham Southern St. John's College Johns Hopkins Davidson College Presbyterian College by: Anonymous reply 42 09/24/07 @01:04 Probably Rice. see link by: Anonymous reply 43 09/24/07 @01:11 Rice! Rice! Rice! by: orangeblood reply 44 09/24/07 @01:14 Amen, r33. Hail to purple, hail to white. Hail to thee Northwestern. by: Anonymous reply 45 09/24/07 @01:16 Rice by: Anonymous reply 46 09/24/07 @01:18 "Um, that second "state school" you're turning your nose up at was founded by Thomas Jefferson ... you know, author of the Declaration of Independence, Founding Father, third president, polymath, arguably the most important figure in American history, etc." I take it "etc." somehow conveniently covers "slaveowner." by: Sally Hemmings reply 47 09/24/07 @01:18 Uh, hello? Forget somebody? by: Northwestern Uh, no. by: Anonymous reply 48 09/24/07 @01:20 I'm glad nobody mentioned SMU even though its recent grads probably command the highest salaries. In general, when you go to university you want to be in the biggest healthiest city. That favors Rice, SMU, and Emory over the others even though Emory is a parvenu, SMU a finishing school, and Rice a sort of a crackpot kind of place. by: Anonymous reply 49 09/24/07 @01:25 I went to Tulane where we called ourselves the Harvard of the South, although with complete sarcasm. But a friend who went to Rice said they called themselves the Harvard of the South too. We were all apart of the Southern Ivy League, whatever that means. by: Anonymous reply 50 09/24/07 @01:32 ROFL @ R25! by: Anonymous reply 51 09/24/07 @01:47 Tulane! Th university that gave America Jerry Springer. by: Anonymous reply 52 09/24/07 @01:49 >No such animal below the M-D What the hell is the M-D? by: Anonymous reply 53 09/24/07 @02:00 "I take it 'etc.' somehow conveniently covers 'slaveowner.'" Specious argument. Life was very different 200 years ago, and numerous otherwise-admirable men owned slaves. Jefferson, by all accounts, treated his slaves extremely well. by: kirker (authenticated) + reply 54 09/24/07 @02:00 >I went to Tulane where we called ourselves the Harvard of the South, although with complete sarcasm. That's pretty sad and pathetic that you're willing to make fun of yourself for how stupid you are. by: Anonymous reply 55 09/24/07 @02:02 What is UVA? by: Anonymous reply 56 09/24/07 @02:02 R53, does the Mason-Dixon Line ring a bell? by: R40 reply 57 09/24/07 @02:05 "Does anyone from any of these fine southern schools ever wonder why no one ever refers to Harvard, Yale or Princeton as "The Duke of the north"?" Because Harvard was founded before the southern universities and is one of the leading models off the large research university. To say that a school is the Harvard off the South (or Midwest or West Coast, etc.) is not to say that whatever school is selected is as good as or prestigious as Harvard (though they could be), so stop with the "it's an oxymoron" comments. It simply means which school in a particular region is the most prestigious academically and reputation wise, what school has that "wow" factor among people who tend to give a shit about that sort of thing. I'd say Duke. Not that I think Duke is really any better than Rice, Emory, or Vandy, but it's very selective, well-known (even among those outside of the academic in crowd thanks to the exposure of the basketball team), and has an elite image. Harvard of the West - Stanford Harvard of the Midwest - University of Chicago (Wash U. and Northwestern are great schools, but aren't on par with Chicago for sheer academic reputation, and this is coming from an NU alum). by: Anonymous reply 58 09/24/07 @02:47 As a few people have alluded to, the OP is referring to a joke on tonight's episode of "The Simpsons". I, too, wanted to know which college Stephen Colbert was referring. by: Anonymous reply 59 09/24/07 @03:02 You've all missed it. Washington and Lee. by: Anonymous reply 60 09/24/07 @07:29

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