Susan Hayward: "Show Judy the Helen Lawson money!"
Perusing the Findadeath thread on Susan Hayward earlier and a couple of the posters are sure that they read somewhere that Susan insisted that Judy be paid in full even though she was fired from the film. Susan allegedly made this one of the conditions for her taking over the part. Do we know if this is true? Some other posters are doubting it because of the timeline between Judy being fired and Susan coming on board.%0D\
Also learned that when Susan was nearing the end of her life, one of the few non-family members who visited with her regularly was none other than Greta Garbo, who was a good friend to Susan.
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1/2 is obviously a stupidy stupid cunty cunt frau....with no sense of humor.
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Wow. this thread is one big menstrual train wreck.
Love, love, LOVE Susan Hayward!!!%0D
As a kid I grew up in the 60s with some of her best Fox movies which were often featured on Saturday Night at the Movies, the first prime- time program featuring the Hollywood classics on a major network, NBC.%0D
Especially loved White Witch Doctor with Susie and Robert Mitchum on an African safari and a tarantula in her bed.%0D
The President's Lady with Charlton Heston as Bloody, Bloody Andrew Jackson and Susie as his scandalous slut of a wife/First Lady.%0D
I'll Cry Tomorrow with Susie as alcoholic vaudevlle and radio star Lillian Roth. Sing You Sinners!%0D
And my all time favorite, With a Song in My Heart with Susie as sober singer and radio star Jane Froman fighting courageously to keep her wounded leg after a WWII plane crash that left me wary of ever getting on a jet. Co-starring the beautiful young Rory Calhoun and younger Robert Wagner (in his film debut!) and scene-stealing Thelma Ritter as the irrepressible Clancy, Miss Froman's nurse and stalwart companion. I still tear up every time I watch that scene of Susie singing the Froman US States medley to the GIs in the hospital ward.%0D
These movies need to be collected into one big beautifully produced DVD compilation! %0D
R14 I love you just soo much right now. You are a dear.
Love me r15 but please contribute to the thread!
R14 - You forgot "I Want To Live." Her final scene in the gas chamber is brilliant when you see Hayward counting to ten.
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Somehow I Want to Live wasn''t part of Saturday Night at the Movies'' programming. I wonder if it wasn''t considered G-rated enough unlike the other Hayward films.
I got a copy of White Witch Doctor, but not seen it yet, I will have to now, one of the few I have not seen of her 50s actioners for Fox - Untamed is terrific, as is Garden of Evil and Soldier of Fortune with Gable, and her evil Messalina in Demetrious and the Gladiators. Pure camp! %0D\
I also love the early 60s sudsers like Ada, Stolen Hours, I Thank A Fool and of course Back Street. and her great bios like With A Song In My Heart, I''ll Cry Tomorrow and and I Want to Live.%0D\
Her 40s movies are good too, I like Tulsa, I Can Get It For You Wholesale, The Lost Moment, Smash Up, My Foolish Heart etc. Shame she, like Lee Remick, died in her 50s - she would have been a feisty old lady and a lot better remembered now.
Didn''t she play Mame in Las Vegas?
I recorded Demetrius from TCM last night and look forward to some good scenery chewing from all parties.
Don''t forget "Sis Hopkins" with Hayward and Judy Canova. Hayward was very young in that one. I watched it on Netflix on-demand.
"Listen, Mr. Petey Pedersen of Pedersen Plumbing, you can tell him I don''t give a damn!" [sic]
R14- If you are referring to the original Saturday Night at the Movies from the 60''s that was broadcast on NBC, all of those films were 20th Century Fox titles. I Want to Live! was from United Artists. It was probably boradcast on CBS after that network created their own movie series-- on Thursday night.
R22- Yes, she was cast in the Las Vegas ''tab'' version of MAME. However, Hayward left before her contract was up. I believe that was when she first became ill with cancer. Not sure if MAME continued in Vegas or closed. I heard from someone who saw Ms. Hayward that she was terrific in the role. Too bad her health kept her from playing the role on Broadway. I know she was being considered and that the Vegas version was her ''tryout.''%0D
Loretta Swit played Gooch in that production of MAME in Vegas. It opened in December 1968 at Caesar''s Palace.
Can you imagine if she had played Mame in the movie? It would have been incredible. She might have had the star power to win the part over Lucy.
I really could not have imagine Judy in the Lawson role.
Susan''s final acting role was in a 1972 TV movie called "Say Goodbye Maggie Cole." It was meant to be a series but her cancer diagnosis put an end to it. Dusty Springfield sang the theme song.\
Susan was only 57 when she died.
Oh and Susan was replaced in Mame by DL fave, Celeste Holm.
R29...there was no actress on planet Earth with greater star power at the time than Lucille Ball. To think that Susan Hayward would have even been considered for the film version of Mame is laughable.
The Las Vegas MAME was a tab version to ''get em in and get em out'' back to the casino tables. Would they have trimmed the dialogue or cut some of the songs?
Still interested in knowing whether or not it''s true that Susan got them to pay Judy in full for her work on "Valley of the Dolls."
Okay, from "Red: The Tempestuous Life of Susan Hayward" by Robert Laguardia and Gene Arceri (p. 173):%0D\
Susan insisted that Judy be paid in full before she would come to Hollywood.
your research monkey
[quote] The Las Vegas MAME was a tab version to ''get em in and get em out'' back to the casino tables. Would they have trimmed the dialogue or cut some of the songs?\
"You''ve got to ROLLLLL with the punches and in this business they come left, right and below the belt!!"
Where/when did she sing "When the Red, Red Robin Comes Bob, Bob, Bobbin'' Along?"%0D\
I have a very distant memory of this from my childhood but just can''t recall......
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That''s in "I''ll Cry Tomorrow", she played a singer a lot. Also sings in "Smash-Up". This is from "Where Love Has Gone" she shouts it up the stairway at Mike Connors: "HERO? You''re no hero! You''re a DRUNK, a DRUNK!"
"Anybody here from Brooklyn?" she would say upon entering an establishment or a gathering.
So was Hayward beloved in Hollywood or not?%0D\
I''d always thought so until someone on another thread made allusions otherwise, though it was in reference to her working relationship with Bette Davis...so all bets are off.
Looking over this biography she comes across as a typical alcoholic-workaholic star who started out poor and didn''t really care about much besides her career.
She didn''t like effeminate gays, she like manly men. Ironically, the fems turned out to be her major fanbase.
She must be the only actress of Golden Age Hollywood who, in a 30+ year career, never made a single out and out comedy. Even her musicals were quite serious.%0D\
Am I wrong?
Damned fine actress!
Yes you are, R50.\
That out and out comedy would be the film version of the Broadway hit piece of fluff THE MARRIAGE GO ROUND.\
Her role in the film was played onstage by Claudette Colbert.
Well, if that''s the best you can do! I''ve never heard of that film. Has anyone?
The trouble with dying middle aged is that we done get to see them in old age, like Bette or Joan, when they get re-discovered again. %0D\
Susan though had several major career phases - the 40s ingenue, the 50s action lady for Fox, her big biographies, and her early 60s sudsers. Pity she did not have much to do in Mankiewicz''s The Honey Pot, made in 66 - as Lone Star Crockett with young Maggie Smith as her nurse. Seems her husband back in Georgia died while she was in Venice, so old pal Mankiewicz released her early so she could return home, so she is killed off quite early in the movie. %0D\
"Give me a fountain pen - not one of those LOUSY ball points" / "I know ALL ABOUT run of the play contracts"! and "the only hit that comes out of a Helen Lawson show is Helen Lawson"!
Did Susan and Patty have issues during the filming? I read that they didn''t get along. We know that Patty adored Judy.
"there was no actress on planet Earth with greater star power at the time than Lucille Ball"%0D\
You MUST be joking, r33! Ever heard of ME?!?%0D\
Are you the Lucy/MAME troll who always pops up to praise her performance in that movie and say how much better she was as Mame than Angela Lansbury?
Susan was a total bore. She played me in some movie about drugged-up dolls. It sounded like a tea party at Judy (Garland)''s house. That bitch could almost drink me under the table for which I have to salute her.\
Anyway, i''ve gotten the impression that some of you faggots, sorry, Queers, have been mocking me. Well, it wouldn''t be the first time: Chuck Heston used to fuck my gook, sorry, Korean gardener Chi Kim. Both of those bitches used to wear my discarded gowns while claiming to be imitating me. Trust me that Chuck just liked to wear women''s clothes to express his repressed fagdom, sorry, homosexuality. \
I don''t know why I''m wasting my time here. I''m meeting with a fag producer about a new movie. I''m going to play Glenn Close in a new Lifetime movie.
It''s Helen or Miss Lawson depending whether you are a cunt
It seems as Susan Hayward didn't have a problem to hit another woman!
In November of 1955, actresses Susan Hayward and Jil Jarmyn got into a much publicized catfight (it even was recounted in the November 14, 1955 edition of Time magazine). Susan, a redhead, was a very prominent actress while Jil (sometimes a blonde, sometimes a brunette) was not nearly as well known. What caused it? A man, of course. The guy in question was grade B actor Don "Red" Barry, who had once been engaged to Ms. Jarmyn. The fight took place in Mr. Barry's bedroom. Jil walked into it and discovered the pajama-clad Ms. Hayward there. Some words were exchanged, then Susan went on the offensive. She struck Ms. Jarmyn with a hair brush, tore some buttons off her blouse and tried to burn her with a lighted cigarette. During the bout, Jil got knocked over a couch and was also pushed into a coffee table. Jil got her licks in, but Ms. Hayward got the decision in this one. Ms. Jarmyn got her revenge by filing an assault and battery complaint against Ms. Hayward, which was eventually dropped.
Who the hell was Jil Jarmyn??
I'd like to see some documentation on that cat fight, please.
I love With A Song In My Heart, one of my favorite musicals.
I know of no reason to doubt this. It would appear to comport with Hayward's solid reputation as a stand up woman and the great respect all artists had for Garland. And the fact that Garland was in financial trouble at the time and Hayward was likely aware of that.
Which also goes to prove the point that rather than being misogynistic, this thread is actually devoted to respect and compassion among women for each other, which is rarely seen on DL.
Of course, lately, there seems to be one poster who consistently misinterprets original posts accusing the OP of harboring anti-social views which OP has clearly, in no uncertain terms, suggested. Bizarre, no.
The atomic blast in Nevada sent radiation over 100 miles away to St. George Utah which eventually killed Susan Hayward and practically the entire cast of Howard Hughes movie "the Conqueror."
Director Dick Powell died of cancer in January 1963, seven years after the film's release. Pedro Armendáriz was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 1960, and committed suicide in 1963 after he learned his condition had become terminal. Hayward, Wayne, and Moorehead all died of cancer in the 1970s. Cast member actor John Hoyt died of lung cancer in 1991.
The cast and crew totaled 220 people. By 1981, 91 of them had developed some form of cancer and 46 had died of the disease. Several of Wayne and Hayward's relatives also had cancer scares as well after visiting the set. Michael Wayne developed skin cancer, his brother Patrick had a benign tumor removed from his breast and Hayward's son Tim Barker had a benign tumor removed from his mouth.
I loved Susan Hawyard in Back Street. I so wanted to be John Gavin's Manstress.
That story is not true. Judy was paid $100,000 for the role and was fired by Fox after failing to report on set for three days in a row. She never read the whole script or the book and became very uncomfortable once she realized the trashy material.
Jacqueline Susann advised her not to quit if she wanted to get paid, so Judy started acting out and wondering off when the director wanted her for set-ups. Fox fired her and paid her about $55,000.
Susan was in I Married A Witch a classic comedy...
R58 Jyl Jarmin was a starlet who provided sexy window dressing, but not much more, in 50s films, one might better remember her on TV as the gushy Southern brunet alongside blonde bombshell Joi Lansing on an "I Love Lucy" episode as two models hired to pose with Ricky for publicity pictures in Hollywood.
She Made much more news with her private life when she filed assault charges against Susan Hayward after she and the star went at it claw to claw in the bedroom of her former fiance, Donald "Red" Barry. Jil got the worst of it, but under pressure from Hayward's studio, she reluctantly dropped the charges.
Below is a link with a photo of Jarmin that is showing her to sign a statement seeking issuance of a battery complaint against actress Susan Hayward!
"Also learned that when Susan was nearing the end of her life, one of the few non-family members who visited with her regularly was none other than Greta Garbo, who was a good friend to Susan."
There's a good biography of Garbo by Barry Paris, very well-researched and well-written. NOWHERE does he mention a friendship between Garbo and Susan Hayward, a friendship so close that Garbo "regularly" visited Hayward when Hayward was dying of cancer. It didn't happen.
I also don't believe Hayward insisted that Judy be paid in full even though she was fired from the film and made this one of the conditions for her taking over the part. Why the hell would she do that? She and Garland weren't even friends as far as I know. I don't think they had anything to do with each other.
Where do these nutty stories originate? I guess people just like to make them up because they want to believe that something like that really happened, even though they have no basis in fact.
Susan Hayward could be very bitchy,God rests her soul!She had a rough childhood. Maybe that's why she could be very hard with others and very competitive.
Susan Hayward was not a bore. Lol. Behind her severe looks she was very edgy and somehow crazy.
Read at this article!
I just Google Imaged both Donald "Red" Barry and Jess Barker and neither of them looked remotely hot enough to get excited over.
Susan obviously didn't have great taste in men.
I think that Susan was a closeted lesbian. She wouldn't admit that even to herself though. She was very hard and proud and she needed success and safety. Just a thought...
The changing popularity of first names is a peculiar thing in America. When Susan Hayward became a star in the early 1940s, her name was changed from Edith Marriner.
But at that time, I would think the name Susan was mostly just associated with the Victorian battleaxe suffragette Susan B. Anthony. So it certainly wasn't considered a glamorous or youthful name. I can't even think of another famous Susan.
I wonder how/why they chose the name Susan? I imagine the choice of Hayward might have been intentionally reminiscent of Rita Hayworth, another more established redhead of the 1940s.
But by the late 1940s, Susan must have been one of the very most popular names for American baby boomer girls, no doubt because of Miss Hayward's popularity.
Hayward is one of the few leading female stars who could play both bitchy slutty shrews and noble cultured saints equally well.
She also sang the hell out of "When the Red, Red Robin Comes Bob-Bob-Bobbin' Along!"
Susan Hayward was very overrated in her time.
She had a tendency to ham it up, her acting performance wasn't pure and sincere, she was as cold as a robot even when she was crying or appearing desperate for most of her roles.
I couldn't get warm to her and i really tried to
see her positively. Every time, there was something in her that didn't fit, how cold i was feeling after watching some of her movies!
I've always loved the story about her last appearance as a presenter at the Oscars. She was very ill with cancer, but got herself made up, gussied up, and propped up with who-knows-what-kind of medications, and made her appearance. After it was over, she supposedly said, "Well, that's the last time I'll be able to pull *that* off!"
link please r76.
Some of the reporting on the Jarmyn/Hayward fight tried to kill the hysteria.
Hayward claimed she had just stopped by for a cup of coffee at Barry's house. Jarmyn claimed that she often had coffee with Barry on her way to work, and that she, too, was stopping in.
Marlene Dietrich in her wisdom added: "That Don Bawwy must make a hell of a cup of coffee!"
Awww Sis Hopkins I love that movie.
She's beautiful and very likable in "Deadline at Dawn", an early movie written by Clifford Odets.
I wish she could move me more, but she never does when i happen to see her in a movie.
I can't believe anyone who has seen her in With a Song in My Heart wasn't moved by her performance.
I agree that in I Want to Live! and I'll Cry Tomorrow, among others, she's over the top hammy but I just adore Susan as Jane Froman.
I must confess that i haven't seen her in 'With a Song in My Heart'. I had enough of her, are you sure that she is really good in it?
And of course she shows her breast in WITH A SONG IN MY HEART.
Can anyone of you, send a copy of the dvd 'With A Song in my Heart' in the torrents? There is already a copy of this movie in the torrents, but the video quality is TERRIBLE, i downloaded it and you can't even see clearly the faces of the actors.
I was wrong about Susan. I saw yesterday 'I'll Cry Tomorrow' with a grain of salt but i was wrong worrying about my time. That performance of Hayward was INDEED good, not a caricature.
At the first fifteen minutes of the movie,i thought that she would go on hamming it up again, but she went beyond that. She was excellent, really, i couldn't believe that she actually moved me.
"HERO? You're no hero! You're a drunk! A drunk!"
- -or - -
"Listen Mr. Petey Peterson of Peterson's Plumbing, you can tell him that I don't give a damn!"
Somebody please post a link of Susie singing "When the Red Red Robin Comes a Bob Bob Bobbin' Along."
She's a hoot!
Be sure it's not the one where she's dubbed (which btw was NOT used in I'll Cry Tomorrow).
Too pathetic to link
Yes, R88 this song is swell!
Maybe someone could post this link.
We'll find out...
Considering she had to be dubbed for the singing in Valley of the Dolls, she must have sounded awful in the Vegas MAME.
Susan was a Brooklyn girl and everything that went with it.
She is not my type but i find her somehow interesting. She is cold and dull at times, she also has the tendency to ham it up, but she can give surprisingly excellent performances at certain moments in a movie. It's like penetrating her coldness and fakeness and give something real for a change...
Description: The wife of 20th Century-Fox head Richard Zanuck and reigning dramatic actress Susan Hayward talk over a cutout of MM for the Seven Year Itch party. This was the night when Marilyn first danced with her childhood idol, Clark Gable.