As another thread points out, you can''t even escape the Strollerfrauen in Williamsburg, as though the Hipsters weren''t bad enough.%0D\
Manhattan and Brooklyn are not safe for us any more. It''s time for some brave LGBT''s to pick a neighborhood in the Bronx and start over. There is enough cheap, solid housing stock and public transport to make it work, and the Bronx''s reputation will keep it safe from Hipsters and Strollerfrauen for decades.%0D\
Ladies and Gentlemen, it''s time for the Bronx.
The Grand Concourse Is Your Runway
What is the deal with hipsters? What is their motivation for looking and acting like they do? I''m not really even sure I know what one is though I have seen some folks in coffee shops and even on HGTV shows that I thought might be hipsters. Does their wardrobe include neckscarves, fedoras or other chapeaus, big hornrimmed glasses, etc? Are they trying to be beatniks?
R1 is old.
Yes, R2, I am. Not elderly but definitely on the downhill towards that. I just see young skinny guys now with goofy caps or hats perched on their heads wearing neckscarves, no matter the weather, and hornrimmed glasses. Looks pretentiously artsy to me so I just wondered if those were hipsters.
Hipster are basically the oughties version of Prepsters.\
There''s a bit of inversion but it all comes down to looking down on those who don''t adopt their lifestyle or at poseurs who try too hard to be like hipsters.
It''s hip to be square.
I like hipsters - they make me feel comfortable - it''s okay to wear old running shoes with chinos and a t-shirt with a little lamb on it and the quote ''WHAT KIND OF ASSHOLE EATS A LAMB?'' (me today).
Why not Queens, OP?
The Bronx is too far away and is also boring.
It''s not worth it.
I live in Mott Haven. There are some simply amazing, breathtaking apartments and lofts in this area that are dying for a homo''s touch. Plus just one stop out of Manhattan, so not as severe a train/cab ride as say...Pelham Bay Parkway.\
The area''s still a bit crimey-grimey, though... but so was Chelsea when its gentrification began.
The Bronx is not a part of New York
DL Manhattan queens
Treacle tarts! Come and get''em!
Williamsburg is 99% White. That''s why people go there, even if they won''t admit it.
Fuck los Bronx! Move to Queens instead. \
Astoria, here we come!
The next generation of hipsters
The next generation of hipsters is a little late. Astoria was "discovered" at least a decade ago.
75,000 welfare scum live in the Soundview projects in the Bronx. Bloomberg should tear them down and build condos and apartments for people who work for a living and throw these people out.
R17 wants to turn New York into Chicago. You can smell the weight coming off those words.
Soundview is like a third-world country. One of the worst neighborhoods in the US.
R14 is correct about the all white aspect. Da Bronx ain''t gonna cut it. Or Queens for that matter.
The gays are known for being fearless pioneers of gentrification. Chelsea, the East Village and the Lower East Side were all poor, minority dominated areas before the gay glitterati moved in and spruced them up.\
Gentrification has slowly been taking hold in Washington Heights and the Central Park North area of Harlem.\
And PS...Brooklyn is NOT "Whiteland". It might be turning into that more and more each day but it wasn''t like that 20 years ago.
The dude who helped quash same sex marriage rights in NY in the state senate was from the Bronx, correct?\
He was the only one to speak against the bill and then it failed. I''d avoid it, personally, but I guess turning it into a gayboorhood would help change things in the long run.
But... but... that''s where my MAID comes from.
Foofy Cooter Asshat
If gays and some other types (artsy, bohemian, etc) actually moved to the Bronx en masse and gentrified neighborhoods, it wouldn''t keep the stroller set out for "decades". We''d have a decade tops, and only about three years from when the neighborhood officially turned the corner according to real estate professionals and real estate writers.
r21 is correct. Gay people are gentrification''s front guards. We''re not as obsessed about schools and race. I know some poster is going to shriek that all gays are racist... the point is gay people are LESS racist than straights, at least when it comes to housing and neighborhoods and where they''ll live.
ugh, just move to Detroit.
It''s okay if the stroller brigade marches in after a couple of decades. By then the inexpensive condos that we bought and renovated will have appreciated to double or triple the value and we''ll sell them to dumb ass stroller mamas who want to be hip.\
Then we''ll just relocate to the next "diamond in the rough".
Detroit needs the gays too. SuperGay Detroit has a cute blog about Detroit.
Can someone tell me the evolution of Williamsburg - how did it become the "great hipster capital"?
The country is running out of "diamonds in the rough".
What''s there to tell, r29? In the late 90s young, white trendy "artists" were being priced out of the gentrified East Village and they all needed somewhere new to go.\
Also, the burden of being hip means that you can never be too satisfied with one place, fashion or idea for too long. Once the masses discover what you know then you must shed it and move on for greener, cooler pastures. You must always try to maintain the sense of "underground". Always the desperate search for "newness". \
So these former East Villagers looked across the East River to a vast expanse of cheap, dilapidated warehouse buildings that made up Williamsburg at the time and started converting them into artist lofts, cafes and quirky boutiques.\
The rest is history.
Mygod. By the time you are seriously contemplating uprooting to inconvenient, marginal neighborhoods way out on the periphery, your New York ship has sailed. You haven''t made it here. You''ve categorically failed. It''s time to move on.\
There are perfectly lovely places in this country where people of modest means can still live in or near and be part of the action. Far from being a knock on flyover country, it''s a genuine compliment. \
Just go. You''re only a New Yorker in your own mind.
"I''d love to meet you out. I''ll be there in two hours."
Weren''t there "the docks" out there or something? I don''t live in NY, so I don''t know, but weren''t "the docks" notorious? And did gays move the W''burg first?
R32 you obviously don''t know many people in NY. Moving to a periphery neighborhood may mean you want a really big place. People who value the home often want large spaces to cultivate. Living in a 1700 dollar studio in midtown is not quality of life for people of this ilk.\
And I know many people who live in midtown, upper west, chelsea, union square who live beyond their means, have not "made it" at all, and who spend most of their income on rent for an overpriced, tiny shoebox. \
You''re way off base r32.
No, I''m not "way off base", I''m just practical. And in 30 years of living in NYC you''d be amazed at how many people I know in NY. The vast majority of whom never have nor ever will set foot in the Grand Concourse, Bushwick, or fucking Tottenville. \
If you''re looking for more space, go to Ohio. Coming to NYC and ending up in the Bronx just screams loser. You can protest all you want, but Manhattanites will never take you seriously if you''re in these horrible outer borough places. \
If you can''t afford to be in NYC, then don''t be in NYC. That is totally fine. But don''t delude yourself by trying to convince yourself that you can experience NYC from the far reaches of the G train. You''re not fooling anyone.
[quote] The country is running out of "diamonds in the rough".\
Not once we tear down the projects and build high-priced luxury condos and apartments.
Detroit lost its diamond in the rough, art deco Palmer Park.%0D
I want to know what the bitchy queen r32 does for a living living in Manhattan proper....& how big her place is.
r32 makes me want to move to move as far away from r32 as possible.
Sure. I''m a junior partner at a Big Four consulting firm. I have a 1300 sq foot, fully rehabbed, two bed - two bath on 87th and Amsterdam.\
If you''re thinking of moving to the Grand Concourse, that might as well be Siberia.
I don''t know. It''s a borough - not Manhattan. It will never be Manhattan. And my great grandparents (paternal side) were Bedford Park natives. Maternal side grand parents Woodlawn.
I''ve no particular desire to decamp to the Bronx either, R32, but you do realize that the only people who can afford to live like you do are middle aged corporate types and people who live off of trust funds, right?\
If it wasn''t for the creative class who make New York interesting ( and who now largely live in the outer boroughs out of necessity, whatever they may tell themselves) and the working class who keep New York functioning (and who have always lived in the outer boroughs, and have also always been real New Yorkers -- truer ones in fact than you, whatever you may tell yourself) Manhattan would just be Charlotte, North Carolina with bed bugs.
Junior Partner, huh?\
I''m so looking forward to the day he starts a thread about how he''s been laid off and can''t get a job because of all the new whippersnapper lawyers flooding the market. Hee!
R32 is LYING.
No, not lying. \
And if the creative class are interested in commuting two hours each way and making two bus connections before linking to the R train, all to earn meager pay and make life more interesting for Manhattanites, I won''t complain. That''s up to them. But it seems really, really foolish.
Hmmm. Some of the working class have always lived in the boroughs, but large swaths of Manhattan have been a haven to working class also. Stuyvesant Town/Peter Cooper Village historically has been a home to NYC teachers, NYPD, NYFD and all sorts of city workers. There''s lots of Manhattan residents who are normal working class stiffs who know how to lead the Manhattan life on a municipal salary.
r31, you''re about ten years off on your Wmsbg hipsterization. It became a destination for hipsters displaced from the East Village in the ''80s. It turned into a college dorm in the late 90s.
r32 gives faggotry a bad name.
"Junior partner" my ass. You''re an underpaid cubicle farm slave living in a shared one bedroom in Washington Heights, clasping to the idea of being a Manhattanite. \
Washington Heights is not the "Upper Upper Westside", honey.
Nice work r49. First you claim I''m lying, then you disparage me based on your fabrications.\
This really is a sorrier bunch then I''d realized.\
Believe me, I feel the same way about Washington Heights.
R21, the previous posters didn''t say "Brooklyn" is all White, they said that "Williamsburg" is all White. And it is. The rest of Brooklyn is far from being all White.
Am I the only one who remembers the Prole Cap Troll?
I''m not sayin''. I''m just sayin''. That''s all.
r32, I believe you but then again, I don''t live in Manhattan, NY, or a city anymore. I''m living in 2285 square feet, 2 stories, and a private pool. I realize you''re living in the heart of it for money.....but you don''t sound like you''re really living the high life. 1300 square feet? I guess that''s fine for one person alone ....but...I''d rather have more. Frankly, I''d like 3,000 square feet and a solar roof but maybe I''ll we''ll be able to afford that in an upgrade.\
r32, as a Jr. Partner, your salary must be millions or tens of millions or more, am I right?
R32 is LY-ING
I believe R 32 has a rent stabilized apartment or bought the apt. years ago. Thirty year/fifteen years ago Amsterdam and 87th St. was a drug infested no man''s land. No one in their right mind would live there, unless poor or a misguided bohemian. And honestly it''s still not a bed of roses.%0D\
So Mr. Junior partner toughed it out a while ago for whatever reason and smugly still lives there.
Also, right where r32 lives, at 87 and Amsterdam, there is a huge PROJECT building. Not the nicest of blocks.
r17, you are disgusting.
r32 can''t even lie right. Lazy liar trolls are the worst. You could have at least researched before creating your lie because 87th and Amsterdam Ave is slumsville! Any respectable law partner would not have such a declasse address, darling.
r34 just supports r 32 ''s hypothesis.
Re "junior partner": The Big Four means PWC, KPMG, E&Y and Deloitte. There''s no such title as "junior partner" at these firms. Someone might refer to a newly minted partner as that, but no one would ever refer to themselves as that. They would just say %0D\
"partner". I know, I work there.
87th and Amsterdam is definitely NOT slumsville. r32 is an asshole but let''s not lie.
R58, you do realize that the overwhelming majority of the people who work at management consulting firms are not lawyers, right?
It''s not slumsville at all but where r32 is claiming to live is either right next door or directly across the street from a project building with people sitting outside in lawn chairs for most of the summer.
I agree, the commutes in NYC to get from Inwood to Downtown Brooklyn from Woodside to Riverside is just for the birds. I want coffee with an old HS buddy, not hours on the train. I''ve done it and I''m through. NYC you''re gone for me.
LOL, hate me all you want girls, but um... no, 87th and Amsterdam is really, really not the slums. But how would you know? You''re forgiven.\
I would love it if you all moved here to gentrify this scary neighborhood. You know, when you''re done with the Grand Concourse.\
Your insults are dumber than your initial posts.
Actually, NYC just needs to dump Bloomberg. The man has no understanding of this city, or of what it is that made it the best city in the world. He''s a fucking clueless out-of-towner and always will be. His vision for NYC is basically making it into "Dubai West."
Please, PLEASE do not invade here....
87th and Amsterdam is indeed a grim little stretch of town.
It''s not the slums, no. But you live next to a project. Admit it.
I''ve been looking at the Bronx for a long time. I''m tempted. I helped pioneer a neighborhood in Brooklyn and my investment has quintupled. I could sell my Brooklyn row house, buy a place in da Bronx out right and have half a million left over. %0D\
And you all know that''s better than having a Starbucks in your building. But, to each his own!
Could someone post the address of the alleged slum so I can see it on Google maps?
It''s near Barney Greengrass; I have a hard time believing it''s a slum. I''m not sure I understand the idea that every gay has to live in Manhattan or is a loser, though. Seems a little short-sighted, though. And the truth is that you can get a lot more space and other amenities if you widen your view. And some of those Grand Concourse apartments could be amazing if they were redone.
90% of my friends are in Brooklyn, so what do I know?
I was born in the Bronx when there were still a lot of working class Jewish families living there. My parents whisked me out to the NJ suburbs in the mid-50s just as I was about to begin kindergarten.%0D\
I remember we lived in an apartment building on Jessup Ave. near Featherbed Lane. Do these streets still exist and if so, what are they like now? That was such a long time ago!
Many of the grand concourse apartments are grand inside. Huge, sunken living rooms. Sweeping terrace views. Walk in closets and oversized bathrooms. Not to mention the fabulously designed building facades.\
The Grand Concourse was originally built up to be similar to the great avenues like Park and Fifth. Rich Jews were the ones who lived there.\
But then the 60s happened, along with white flight and the neighborhood deteriorated into it''s present state.\
Most of those grand apartments are still intact and just begging for a rejuvenation...
They really need to tear down all the projects and then move the residents onto Roosevelt Island.\
Then discontinue all tram, bus and train service to and from there.
Sorry, R77, Roosevelt Island is being reserved for the relocation of fags.
Any queen living in the Bronx will immediately be known as Mary From The Block %0D
There is a low-income housing project at the NE corner of 87th & Amsterdam, but most of those families are stable and long-term, and actually rather politically active. The NW corner is (I think?) a modest apartment building with a bodega on the ground floor, but I think it''s a co-op. The SW and SE corners are substantial coops (the SW is the legendary Belnord.)
Well, I do know that The Indian Wants the Bronx.
There is no area of Manhattan that is slummy or grim. Not anymore anyway.%0D\
Most of us learn to deal with living near the so-called Projects. But if you treat them with respect they will treat you with respect. If you act like r77 and be a faggot ass racist then yes you deserve to have your ass beaten until you''re dead.%0D\
I dunno about the Bronx. Sorry, OP.
it''s all about Buffalo next.
Where do the artists, musicians, and new writers live? Is NYC still the fount of creativity in American culture?
Jackson Rothko Miller
That''s night true, r82. There were numerous incidences of people from the projects that are between 0th and 10th Aves attacking/robbing gay men as they left the bars at night.
[quote] Why not Queens, OP?\
There are tons of LGBT people (many young) in Astoria, Sunnyside, LIC, Forest Hills, Jackson Heights, Kew Gardens.\
What are you talking about?
[quote] Where do the artists, musicians, and new writers live? Is NYC still the fount of creativity in American culture?\
In Astoria or less trendy parts of Brooklyn.
Many live just across the water in Jersey, too. Jersey City and Hoboken are practically boroughs of Manhattan now.
[quote] There is no area of Manhattan that is slummy or grim. \
R82 has clearly never been above 110th Street.\
Have you been to Hamilton Heights or East Harlem?
R82 I assume you live in the projects. Asshole.
I'm gay and moving to the Bronx. I've been looking for a 1 bedroom in an art deco building and I found it one block from the Botanical Gardens 20 minutes to midtown on metro north with sunken living room and lots of charm. Price was half of a similar apt in Harlem and neighborhood is better. Girls, you need to expand your horizons. The Bronx is the next best secret.