- Loved her in The Bad and the Beautiful. When we first came to LA I stayed in a bungalow at the BHH because of her.
- For some reason I''m thinking of the word "scandal" with her.
- Possibly because she slept with, and later married, her 17 year old stepson.\
She lived quite a life.
- Love her. Gorgeous, but something a little off about her, making her interesting to watch. I liked her in [italic]The Big Heat[/italic], in which she plays Lee Marvin''s girlfriend. In one scene she''s making fun of how obsequious the low-level thugs are to the big cheese, and she imitates a prancing dog.
- Love her, too. She always brought a slightly slutty vibe to every production, no matter how high class.
- She and Bogart devastating in In a Lonely Place. Then of all things, in Oklahoma, she''s very funny as Ado Annie. \
An underappreciated talent, I think.
- This is my favorite.\
[quote]causes publicity turmoil when she declares she dislikes night gowns and sleeps in the nude
- She caused a lot of trouble on the "Oklahoma" set, I believe, and supposedly that helped end her career.%0D\
But her turn in "The Big Heat" is worth a row of Oscars.
sisters under the mink
- Her breath smelled just like George Cukor''s. You figure it out.
- what kind of trouble, r8?
- She started screwing Nicholas Ray''s son when he was 13. Basically, she was a pedophile.
- A terrific sctress.
- Full credit to OP for describing Grahame with the phrase "bullet tits." Very descriptive. I normally think of Marilyn Monroe in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes."\
I always get Gloria Grahame confused with Gloria DeHaven. But DeHaven never fucked her step-son.
- Thanks r3, knew there was something. I think she was in that movie with Maureen O''Hara and Melvyn Douglas where they were lesbians. Dah, what was that movie called... Otherwise I''ve never seen her movies.
- She hated her mouth so she put something in it to give it a different shape. Like the Godfather, only she stuffed her upper lip.
- Terrific in "It''s A Wonderful Life". %0D
- Knew Gloria; actually directed her onstage. One of the craziest people I''ve even known, in a life full of nutcase acquaintances. Must say, though, she wasn''t too caught up in past glories; never willingly talked about her past or her career. Seemed very eager to establish a new persona as a strong stage performer. Went with her to the Broadway opening night of the Charles Nelson Reilly/Uta Hagen stage stinker, CHARLOTTE; Gloria, from the third row center of the orchestra, kept elbowing me and hissing loudly, "I thought Uta was supposed to be our greatest stage actress -- but she''s absolutely TERRIBLE!" (And, that night, Gloria was correct.) During our months of friendship, she was busily ignoring the diagnosis of the cancer that eventually killed her. On a health-food kick, which, to Gloria, meant endless cigarettes, bottomless cups of strong coffee, and millions of cans of Spaghetti-Os. Could be very sweet, or a raving harpy; never knew which you''d get any given day.
- Thanks, R17.
- I think I remember reading she tried to ignore her breast cancer and flew off to London to do a play...then go so sick she had to return home and actually died on the plane.
- Married to director Nicholas Ray (of "Rebel Without A Cause" and other classic films) and then his son. Twisted!
- Don''t judge me, but I think its kind of hot that she was fucking her stepson. It just seems so Hollywood and so scandalous. Not like the boring stuff actresses do today for attention. Flashing your beave for the paps isn''t nearly as wild as fucking your husband''s 17 year old son.
- She brought some much-needed piss and vinegar to that sugar-coated mess Oklahoma!
Mrs Gordon (Sheila) MacRae
- I think you''re talking about A WOMAN''S SECRET, R14. %0D\
I recall reading in a biography of her that Gene Nelson called her out in front of the cast on her last day of shooting on OKLAHOMA because she''d been a real bitch to everyone the whole time, lots and lots of petty stuff adding up. The book also claimed that they had to piece her vocals together from several takes. Also, Mamie Van Doren claims, in her memoirs (PLAYING THE FIELD, highly recommended. She''s like a nymphomaniac Norma Desmond)that Gloria stole the part of Ado Annie from her.%0D\
I second the vote for IN A LONELY PLACE. Bogart and Grahame are such a great match that it''s all the more devastating.
- Quite a story at R3''s link. She must not have believed in birth control -- wonder what happened to all those kids.
- " I think she was in that movie with Maureen O''Hara and Melvyn Douglas where they were lesbians...."%0D\
I never knew Melvyn Douglas was a lesbian. The things you learn on Datalounge!%0D\
I still cannot believe Gloria G. won an Oscar for "The Bad and the Beautiful." First, she was nothing to write home about in the film, and second, she''s on-screen for maybe 10 minutes.
- I heard she fucked her stepson. Has anyone else heard that?
- I get her mixed up with Bogart''s psycho second wife Mayo Methot. Love these names btw.
- "She hated her mouth so she put something in it to give it a different shape. Like the Godfather, only she stuffed her upper lip."%0D\
I can''t remember exactly why, but yes she did stuff cotton under her upper lip. He co-stars disliked love scenes with her because they always ended up with a mouth full of cotton.%0D\
- Messed around endlessly with plastic surgery on her mouth. She was the Lipsa Rinna of her day.
- I love that she has four different birthdates at the R3 link
- "I still cannot believe Gloria G. won an Oscar for "The Bad and the Beautiful." First, she was nothing to write home about in the film, and second, she''s on-screen for maybe 10 minutes."%0D\
Robert Osbourne explained this during an airing of THE BAD AND THE BEAUTIFUL, she had a good run with several films prior to and immediately after the release of THE BAD AND THE BEAUTIFUL.%0D\
In 1952 she was in Sudden Fear , Macao, The Greatest Show on Earth and in 1950 she had the still under-rated film In a Lonely Place. So it was "her time."%0D
- interesting r17, what was she like onstage? good?
- I had a friend who referred to her as "Novocaine Lips"
- I didn''t know she''d done so much television.
- Casting her as Ado Annie must have seemed outrageously unconventional, if not downright weird, at the time. She never did any musicals before or since, did she?%0D\
Wasn''t Celeste Holm, who originated the role on Broadway, even kind of a hot property in Hollywood at the time, having recently won an Oscar for Gentlemen''s Agreement, as well as costarring in High Society?
Mrs. Wesley Addy
- LOL R27. I believe the term "psycho bitch" was invented for Mayo Methot. The stories about her are unreal.
- Celeste Holm is reputed to be a major league cunt. Besides, she would have been more than a bit long in the tooth by the time "Oklaholma" was filmed.\
Can you imagine GG and Betty Hutton on the same set? "The Greatest Show on Earth" must have been one big bucket of crazy behind the scenes.
- She was fab as small-town hussy Violet Bick in "It''s A Wonderful Life"
- CA Birth index and 1930 census confirm 1923 date. Bless her for trying to knock 10 years off at one point.
- Fuck you! I am not a major league cunt!
Celeste Holm, with a loaded diaper for R37
- The thing about all those old Hollywood leading ladies - who wasn''t a cunt back then?
- r36, didn''t she threaten little Lauren Bacall''s life - something to do with dropping a lampshade on her head? Or has old Betty been exaggerating in her twilight years?
- When she made The Grifters, Annette Bening was told by Stephen Frears to watch Gloria Grahame movies as research for her femme fatale character. Annette was brilliant.
- Oh wow, R43 that makes so much sense. I love Annette in that film. Watching it you can see how she was cast as Catwoman in BATMAN RETURNS originally.
- "I never knew Melvyn Douglas was a lesbian. The things you learn on Datalounge!"
An essential thing to know, dahling really.
- Celeste Holm is STOOPID. I mean, never talked to Bette again? Missed a good thing. She should''ve known.
- I also think it''s hot that she fucked her stepson.\
I mean, he wasn''t her real son, for heaven''s sake.
- Here''s Tony Ray, the stepson Gloria fucked and married. Who could blame her?
- R23, Mamie Van Doren is a nutjob. There''s no way she was offered the role of Ado Annie over Grahame, who already had an Oscar by that point, while Mamie was still an unknown starlet.\
Actually, the role was first offered to Grahame''s "Greatest Show on Earth" co-star Betty Hutton, but Betty, who was actually on her way out in Hollywood at the time, still thought she was a bigger star than she was and wanted only to play the lead, Laurie, not the second lead. So she lost the part and Fred Zinneman offered it to Gloria. Betty told me that story herself!\
By that point (1953-54), Celeste Holm was considered too much of a "lady" onscreen to recreate her stage role as the hoydenish Ado Annie. Look at her roles in "High Society" and "The Tender Trap", both filmed around that same time - she had developed far too sophisticated (and older) an image to be believed as the nympho cowgirl by then.
Holly Wood Hills
- I read a biography on Gloria Graham some years back. Apparently she did not want to do Oklahoma and they studio made her do the film. She thought the film was stupid. So, she was miserable on the set and in the dancing scenes she would step on various dancers or do other stunts to make them miserable. \
Gloria''s father left her, sister, and mother. Her father wrote children%E2%80%99s books. Gloria had to take on the responsibility taking care of her mother and sister. \
I think Gloria put cotton under upper lip to make it look fuller because this was before they had cosmetic surgery to enhance your lips with collagen. \
I read in the biography that Gloria was always finically struggling or just constantly broke, so she had to work up until the time near her cancer problems. \
Also, Gloria always wanted to be young, and according to the biography, she would do things like put on a leather jacket and helmut and ride at high speed in a motorcycle with her younger husband.
- one of her last roles is in "Chilly Scenes of Winter/Head Over Heels", a floppo 1979 movie made from one of those quiet-desperation Ann Beattie stories, in which she played John Heard''s nutsy mom. Strange, sad movie. Studio kept changing the tiles and advertising from wacky comedy to downbeat story of a loser.
- Great to see you back here Holly Wood Hills! You don''t post nearly often enough, at least not under your nom de plume.
- Wasn''t Nicholas Ray one of the many older men Natalie Wood lost her virginity to?
- According to her autobiography Gloria''s family was related to the royal family in Britain. She was originally from Virginia and her name was Haviland, I believe.
- "Besides, she would have been more than a bit long in the tooth by the time "Oklaholma" was filmed."%0D\
And Gloria Graham WASN''T "long in the tooth?" I thought she totally miscast as Ado Annie. She was playing a slutty but child-like girl; she looked like a woman pushing forty (she was thirty but looked older). %0D\
Her affair with her step-son wasn''t "hot." She started fucking him when he was 13. Child molestation is not "hot." And she started fucking him while still married to his father! Fucking your husband''s 13 year old son is not "hot." It''s crazy. I think she must have very mentally ill.
- R49, I know Mamie Van Doren is a whacko (the Norma Desmond reference, hilarious memoirs, etc.), I just thought it was a funny story.
- She did some excellent TV work as well (I particularly remember her as an addict in withdrawal on "Burke''s Law" - not a trace of glamor, just great acting).
- Thanks to everyone who posted in this thread. I love reading this kind of stuff about old Hollywood.
- She was diagnosed with stomach cancer, but refused to believe it (!) and ignored the cancer until it was too late.
- [quote] She was originally from Virginia and her name was Haviland, I believe.\
No relation, I swear.
Olivia D. Haviland
- A great deal of Nicholas Ray''s great, underseen classic "Bigger Than Life," with James Mason and Barbara Rush, has to do with his feelings about Grahame and his son''s affair. In the film, Mason''s character is an impotent 1950s husband who turns into a hypercompetent, right-wing authoritarian under the influence of wonder drug cortisone and begins terrorizing his wife and young son until he concludes the boy must die. It''s a scathing indictment of 1950s values and is now out on DVD and Blu-Ray thanks to the Criterion Collection.
- WEHT the son of nick ray? Anyway, I read this shitty book about a guy who befriended GG at the end of her life and she went to live with his family in the uk. Crazy ass story. Search for the book on ebay.
- here''s the book i was talking about.%0D\
An account of her last days is given in the book Film Stars Don''t Die in Liverpool by Peter Turner. ...%0D
- Gloria''s family name was Hallward, I believe.
- I wonder if her kids are wacky.
- The cotton in her upper lip was to hide bad plastic surgery. She had tons of surgery and was quite addicted to it, and one surgery designed to lessen the lines above her lip gave her lip a stiff appearance. She put the cotton in her lip as a ruse so people would think she was quirky rather than know the truth: Botched plastic surgery.\
Also, she didn''t die on the plane home. She knew the cancer was terminal but was prolonging the inevitable by having fluid drained out of her abdomen by doctors. In London, she needed the operation but a doctor unfamiliar with the procedure botched it and she got septicemia. Friends managed to get her on a plane by lying about her condition, and she barely got home before she died, but she was in her apartment when she passed, not on the plane.
read Suicide Blonde for more dish
- [quote]I recall reading in a biography of her that Gene Nelson called her out in front of the cast on her last day of shooting on OKLAHOMA because she'd been a real bitch to everyone the whole time, lots and lots of petty stuff adding up. The book also claimed that they had to piece her vocals together from several takes.
I think you and I read the same book, [italic]Suicide Blonde[/italic]. They also mentioned that she would deliberately do her takes differently each time to throw other actors off, apparently out of some kind of weird insecurity. Then toward the end of the filming of "Oklahoma," she pulled down Gordon MacRae's hat really hard on his head during a take, apparently hurting him somewhat. He told the director to "take care of that woman" and walked off the set for the day.
At the wrap party, no one talked to Gloria. Everyone hated her and her reputation was ruined. From then on, her career was in the tanker. Take a look at the IMDb listing: She goes from 3-4 good movies a year before "Oklahoma" to almost nothing once it was finished.
- here''s excerp from Live Fast, Die Young book re: GG and Ray
- She was something else.
- Met Celeste Holm in 2010 and 2011. She is a classy lady of the first degree. Her home was filled with people who love her just because she is a lady. She has spent her life giving back to the arts, children and animal charities and her walls are filled with recognition for all her continued giving and love.
- Caught in bed with her stepson by her husband, wasn''t it?
- I know that she received a very undeserved Oscar.
- The coffee in the face scene in The Big Heat scarred ME for life.
- bump for crazy Gloria stories!
- [quote]I still cannot believe Gloria G. won an Oscar for "The Bad and the Beautiful." First, she was nothing to write home about in the film, and second, she''s on-screen for maybe 10 minutes.\
It''s odd, because she is truly the epitome of an award winning supporting actress in the hair-raising "Sudden Fear" the same year. Just the notion of a cheap Gloria Grahame terrorizing a harried Joan Crawford is enough reason to watch it. Greatly entertaining.
- What I love about GG is that even though you couldn''t see it, due to the production code, you just knew that her characters were fuck machines. She deserved that Oscar.
- I love you, r76.
- [quote]I also think it''s hot that she fucked her stepson. I mean, he wasn''t her real son, for heaven''s sake.%0D\
And 9 inches soft could make anyone want a sample.
- Lets continue the discussion on Miss Grahame.
- Put me on Team She-didn't-deserve-that-Oscar.
- Never really liked her until I saw "A Lonely Place."
- Nobody's mentioned her turn in 1971's "Blood and Lace" where she looked worse-for-wear as a crazy middle-aged woman who runs a sadistic foster home for runaway teenagers and stores the bodies of the dead in her big walk-in freezer. A Must-see! It also stars Vic Tayback ("Alice") and has a wacked-out ending.
- Wow, this bitch is being glorified yet Sienna Miller gets called a slut/whore for the same behaviour. Double standard much you fucking hypocritical cunts?
- I still can't believe none of you mentioned that she not only had a child by Nicholas Ray but two sons by Anthony Ray! Which makes her son by the elder Ray the uncle of his two brothers!
I think I have that right...
- What a pity that Gloria broke up with her last husband Anthony Ray after fourteen years of marriage. I suspect that she really tried this time with this relationship as she never had tried before with the others. Anybody knows what led this couple to separation?
I'm also very curious to know if Gloria was most of the time a cheater in her relationships with men...Was she as promiscuous as George Englund a producer and one of her early suitors had implied that she was? He characterized Gloria's promiscuity as untamed!
I really find Gloria Grahame ravishing,a true seductress,she oozes sexuality in each of her performances and she seems so resilient when she acts. She is like a feline, really. However there is a certain sweetness and fragility in her and in the way her eyes sparkle. The way she flirts with the camera is very unique. She could be sexy, bubbly,humorous,warm,cattish,passionate, volatile...Gloria Grahame is an unforgettable femme fatale, a real actress,a woman who lived her life on the edge and seemed always to be ready to improve her craft and skills. She was incessantly alert!
- Yeah, why she broke up with her last husband?
She was so sexy and he was a peach.
- Sexy Gloria.
Post for her bitches!
- Love her in "It's a Wonderful Life." I hear that her final performance in "Chilly Scenes of Winter" is quite good.
I loved her in ''The Cobweb''.
How sensual and light she is in that movie.
How light and sensitive too!
- Have you got anything interesting to say about tempestuous Gloria Grahame?
- God, post for her. I like her fire. What a pity she wasn't even bi. She had the temperature for being that but she probably wasn't. Anyway, she was something!
- Why Joan Crawford didn't get along with Gloria Grahame during the filming of 'Sudden Fear'?
- Gloria Grahame was a SEX BOMB. I wonder if Howard Hughes slept with her, because i haven't ever read something of the kind and because Hughes had slept with most actresses of that era.
So did he?
- Gloria Grahame scores huge upset win over Marilyn Monroe (1950's Era)
- R94, no, Gloria hadn't a fling with Howard Hughes. Someone here called her a whore or something like that, but Gloria Grahame, in comparisons with other women of her craft was certainly not a whore. People just trashed her when she slept with her husband's son, Anthony Ray. Personally, i don't find it disgusting. Nicholas Ray, her husband was notorious for his bisexuality. Why you don't trash him as well? If he wasn't able to cover Gloria's needs and his eyes strayed on other men, you blame Grahame for what she did?
Gloria Grahame was a passionate woman. She didn't cheat on Nicholas Ray with a tycoon or with a man of power who could advance her career. She slept with Anthony Ray because she needed to feel desirable again and she really liked Anthony, it was mutual, and it was not something that had to do with money or with her career. The fact that she married Anthony, denotes a lot. He was not just a fling to her. That marriage lasted more than all the marriages she had before.
Gloria Grahame was really sexy and knew how to kiss...She was not just after money and fame like like Paulette Goddard and like many many, many other actresses. Gloria Grahame was the kind of a girl who would take acting lessons after winning an Academy Award. Yes she did that, too! She was passionate, unpredictable and not as evil and cheap as her sexually ambivalent ex husband Nicholas Ray said that she was.
She was far more decent than other actresses who were sleeping around with everyone they thought they would advance their career or provide them with a super wealthy life. She was after money and glamour, but not in the obsessive way other actresses were. She is so underrated. People misunderstood her. She was insecure about her appearance and made a number of plastic surgeries on her lips but she was certainly not CHEAP.
- Gloria Grahame was the epitome of sexiness, no question about it. She was so coquettish, so kittenish! Teasing eyes and sensuous mouth and expression she had.
- Leaves crumbs in bed after you fuck her.
- Lol R98, what the hell could you possibly mean?
- Red-hot woman
- Inviting Gloria...
- Spicy, suggestive, seductive, LIBIDINOUS Gloria Grahame
- Sweet, sexy and kissable
- Lying in bed
- Tempting most of the time
- I loved her performances, her presence especially in these movies
The Big Heat
The Bad and the Beautiful
Odds Against Tomorrow
Not As A Stranger
In A Lonely Place
A Woman's Secret
The Greatest Show on Earth
- One of the sexiest actresses of Hollywood
- Someone has spent all day posting pictures of classic movie stars.
Robert Osborne, is that you?
- Lol R108...well, i say goodbye for today with this photo of Joan. I send it with much...love to you!
Joan Crawford in William Castle’s Straight-Jacket (1964)
- She made movies with Bogart & James Stewart -- did she get along well with them? Did they like her?
- And Mitchum. They made several movies together -- she seems like his kind of gal, & vice versa.
- [quote]It's odd, because she is truly the epitome of an award winning supporting actress in the hair-raising "Sudden Fear" the same year.
I agree. I think her performance in "Sudden Fear" is the ultimate Gloria Grahame performance. She's just excellent. I'm sure the Oscar voters had her "Sudden Fear" performance in mind when they voted her the Academy Award that year.
If you haven't seen it, SEE IT! It's a great movie, and I think Joan, Jack Palance, and GG give the performances of their careers in it. It's a fun, stylish noir, that is wonderfully produced.
- I'm impressed with the civility of this thread.
- R110 i wish i knew about that and about her relationship with Mitchum. The only thing i know about Gloria's relationship with her co-stars is that she was smitten with Sterling Hayden while they were doing the 'Naked Alibi' together. She found him very attractive and she flirted him and as far as i remember from what i read, that scared him a bit. They didn't have an affair though, Sterling supposedly didn't give in.
Oh, i also know that she didn't get along with Joan Crawford in 'Sudden Fear'. I don't know the reason, but i remember reading somewhere that Gloria did something the moment Joan was doing her scene that distracted her and infuriated her. I would love though to know what and more about that!
- Wasn't the late, great, Susan Tyrrell like a 70's version of Grahame ? In looks, and inappropriate manner.
- Meh R115! Crazy dude. Lol
- Nice breast she had
- Check her out in this gem with Kojak.
- Gloria Grahame was absolutely sexy even in a older age. Yummy woman!
- Hey sexy!
- Totally fuckable even at this age (she is in her late 50's in that photo)
- She was such a fantasy...
- Nicholas Ray would later claim that he married Gloria only because she was pregnant, and their son, Timothy, was born give months after their wedding. However, the union was a rocky one from the start, and Grahame's sister Joy would later state that Ray was 'married to drinking, gambling, and drugs.'
By 1951, the couple had separated, with Ray telling the press,'I think we made a good try. In fact, we tried over and over again, but it just didn't come off.'
In August 1951, Gloria Grahame testified in court that her husband had beaten her on several occasions, and that he was 'sullen and morose and would go into another room when my friends came to the house. This made me so unhappy i lost weight and it hurt my acting.' The divorce was granted.
- Her third husband was the radio and television writer Cy Howard. She began dating him in April 1952, and although the courtship was by all accounts a stormy one, they were married while 'Oklahoma!' was still in production, on August 15, 1954. The guest list of the couple's lavish wedding included such Hollywood luminaries as Gary Cooper, Lauren Bacall, Kirk Douglas, Tyrone Power, Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis, and shortly after the nuptials, Cy Howard told the press,'This is not going to be a typical Hollywood marriage. It will be a marriage of love, respect and dignity.'
This lofty claim notwithstanding, the New York Herald Examiner ran an article in February 1955 about a rowdy argument between the couple at a Naples restaurant, and later that year, the Examiner revealed that Gloria Grahame, during a tour of Europe with her husband, 'took a pair of scissors and cut up Cy Howard's suits, shirt, ties, everything he owned.'
Although the couple would have a daughter, born on October 1, 1956, they separated and reconciled on several occasions, and a year after their daughter's birth, the marriage was over. Years later, actor John Ireland would observe, 'Gloria thought mostly of her work, and maybe Cy put that in the wrong perspective and was jealous of it. If that was the case, why marry an actress?'
Gloria with Cy Howard below
- Marie Windsor about Gloria Grahame:'Gloria and i became friends. I liked her and she always seemed a little nicely off-the-wall to me.'