The Party has a long history of antisemitism. How did this happen?
It has to have something to do with money and/or power. You know they''d all sell their own mothers for some dough.
Some of it comes from the religious right. They believe the rapture or Second Coming will happen once there is a strong Jewish state. So they will support Israel until that happens in the eyes of God.\
Or something like that.
We need Israel to exist so the Jews are all in one place.\
That way, it will be easier for Jesus to kill them all for not flattering Him enough and give us our mansions of gold in the sky.\
The Jews need to be in the Promised Land or the Lord Jesus won''t return.\
Pretending to care about others so we get cool stuff is an American Christian tradition.\
"Some of it comes from the religious right. They believe the rapture or Second Coming will happen once there is a strong Jewish state. So they will support Israel until that happens in the eyes of God"%0D\
Yep. You''ve got it. They care about Israel but they don''t give a shit about American Jews.
Israel keeps the peace in the region. Peace equals more oil to extract for the world. More oil in the world means more money to play with on Wall Street.%0D\
Orthodoxy and fundamentalism go hand in hand, too.
Certainly some Republicans have a cold-blooded pragmatism in being pro-Israel. It''s a perfect little militarized crusader state on the edge of the Arab world. \
And besides the oil and lucrative defense industry, there''s a faint hope that all those moneyed Jews in America will start voting Republican en masse.
It''s about end-times fantasies. Jews have to be in Israel when the time comes.
[italic]They hate Muslims more.[/italic]\
Then how come they continue to do business with them?\
They didn''t have a real problem with Muslims until 9/11.
Because they''re not stupid enough to side with murderous medieval fundamentalists over a western society. In other words, they''re not self-loathing trash like the West haters are.\
Of course they''re trash in many other ways. But this is one issue they get that the other side doesn''t.
"Israel keeps the peace in the region."%0D\
Oh, my sides!
Building a settlement as I type
Please it''s the leftist commies that hate JEWS and ISRAEL
R7 has it correctly. The Christianist base of the party is obsessed with Biblical predictions. Thus Israel must be strong in order to fulfill the weird stuff in Revelations.\
What the Christianists don''t mention too much, especially to their Israeli ''friends'' -- the Jews are of course going to hell when the end time comes, where they will burn for all eternity.
Because Israel''s enemies used to be supported by the Soviets.
r12, you''re mostly right that the hate comes from the left these days (because they see the Islamic fundamentalists as the only major force challenging the thing they hate most - the US and the West).
[italic]Because they''re not stupid enough to side with murderous medieval fundamentalists over a western society.[/italic]\
Then why do they side with fundamentalist Christians?
R12 = resident DL troll. What took you so long?
r16, Because their fundamentalism is comparatively benign. If you don''t see that, you''re just blind.
[quote]Building a settlement as I type\
Israel has not authorized a new settlement since the 1990s. When settlers try building new and unauthorized settlements, Israel tears them down.
[italic]because they see the Islamic fundamentalists as the only major force challenging the thing they hate most - the US and the West[/italic]\
Sarah Palin posts on DL?
[italic][R16], Because their fundamentalism is comparatively benign. If you don''t see that, you''re just blind.[/italic]\
Really? That''s why they''re a major force in the US government, and enact Fascist policies dictating to all American citizens? They want their religion instilled in schools, and want science abolished. They''ve blown up buildings on more than one occasion. They got us into the Iraq war which killed millions. They have way too much power.
"Of course they''re trash in many other ways. But this is one issue they get that the other side doesn''t."\
I won''t quote the rest of your post because it''s the usual Likudnik/Neo con bullshit which has destroyed US foreign policy, but the above is extra funny because you''re also a moron.\
AIPAC has both parties up their repulsive ass. And the fact that you think the conservatives are "right" about this one when they''re so wrong about everything else, is exactly why Israel dictating foreign policy has made the US a pariah and destroyed the country''s reputation. The blind support is based more in being that foreign country''s bitch in so many ways. It isn''t about right and wrong. It never was about right and wrong. The fact that it''s the only issue where the left and right in CONGRESS are on the same side, is about money and influence.
Oh please, r18. The only reason it''s benign is because we have enough SANE people in our country to keep the Pat Robertsons and Bill Donohues of this country from getting real power. It''s cute how you people think that it is they who keep themselves in check when it is our nation''s laws that do. If they had their way, you believe they''d remain so innocuous? Get real. If there were more people like them, don;t be dumb enough to believe homosexuality wouldn''t be judged by their interpretation of the bible.
It comes of a marriage of convenience between the Christian right, which as previously stated believes Israel will play an integral role in their longed-for End Times, and the neocons who dominate the GOP foreign policy apparatus and who take much of their "intellectual" firepower from a certain strain of Jewish intelligentsia - the Kristols, the Podhoretzes, the Kaplans, Paul Wolfowitz, Charles Krauthammer, Martin Peretz, etc.
Joe Lieberman will even go so far as to address the very people who want to see him convert or die. Sickening.
op, They aren''t. They are pro-Armageddon.
Two words: red heifer.
The Pentagon, US Christian Fundamentalists and Israel are politically one group.
The US and Britain along with the King of Jordan created Israel as a home for the Jews after WWII.\
Nazis also known as national SOCIALISTS, which is what all you lefty types support even though you don''t know it, do not support the Jews.
[italic]The US and Britain along with the King of Jordan created Israel as a home for the Jews after WWII.\
Nazis also known as national SOCIALISTS, which is what all you lefty types support even though you don''t know it, do not support the Jews.[/italic]\
The key word is NATIONAL, as in Nationalists. You''re a fucking idiot, and are probably the product of the American education system.
Um, R29? I think you should keep your fucking freeper mouth shut until you learn to spell "leery," as proven in the Merkel thread. \
Gay, racist, xenophobic, hateful. Give your family some dignity by killing yourself so that you don''t continue to embarrass them with your "Godless" lifestyle, you sodomite. \
You can''t possibly like yourself. I mean to be gay, knowing how hateful people can be, yet turning around and doing the same to others. You''re a despicable piece of shit.
[quote]Give your family some dignity by killing yourself so that you don''t continue to embarrass them with your "Godless" lifestyle.\
You mean like gay Palestinians?
Because they''re pretty much the only ones who actually do that kind of thing - in the real world, that is, as opposed to your fevered imagination, r32. Unless their family takes the matter into their own hands. Or unless they manage to escape to Israel in time, of course.
R33, perhaps you should read this asshole''s comments in the Merkel thread before you defend him. This has nothing to do with Israeli v Palestinians. Get over yourself.
R33/R34, in other words, it''s OK that he says the left is equal to the Nazis, shits on immigrants and believes all immigrants in the US are on welfare... as long he defends Israel. \
Got it. \
Nothing supremacist about that attitude.
they hate Muslims more.\
Israel is like the gay kid in a class who has to face about 10 tormentors. The tormentors are always willing to stick together and lie. They say it''s the gay kid''s fault. HE is the one causing them to act in such a hostile way. And heaven forbid anyone actually stand up for the kid ("[italic]made the US a pariah and destroyed the country''s reputation[/italic]") And of course the crazies here at DL side with the lying scum.
You''re right on the mark, R38.
It''s a Biblical prophesy. They want to hasten the end of the word and return of Jesus.\
(Yes, they are batshit insane.)
R1 nails it!
They are pro-Israel until they think some Jew has bested them, then it''s "kike" this and "hebe" that.\
Don''t trust The Right.
They believe that the return of the Jews to Ha Aretz is a sign of the second coming and the end times as foretold in the Book of Revelations.\
that and Muslims have replaced Jews as the international boogie man. Well, Muslims have replaced Black people who previously replaced Jews as the international boogie man. Then again, many still think of Black people as the international boogie man. Gingrich''s criticism of Obama as anti-colonialist - huh?!?! - is a sign of this lingering insanity as is the degree of antiObamaism in general. Obama is a disappointment no doubt. But no moreso than any Democrat would have been. The hostility against him is pure racism. But I digress.
It''s Christian Bible based as most Conservatives are "Born Again" Christians.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Actually, most libs I know are anti-semitic.
Right, R38. I''ll think about that as I also think about the Arab guy who is currently facing prison for rape because his Jewish accuser (who fucked him within an hour of meeting him) claimed he lied about being Jewish. Apparently, that''s all it takes for an Israeli court to put someone in prison. Right out of the 1960s South.\
Or I''ll think about the Arab families currently being thrown out of their homes for some "open-minded" settler from Brooklyn who probably supported Paladino up until he apologized.\
Poor Israel... so tormented. Load of bullshit. The MSM is no longer the only source for news, you AIPAC shill.
Yeah, the REPUBLICAN party has always been antijew.
[quote]I'll think about that as I also think about the Arab guy who is currently facing prison for rape because his Jewish accuser (who fucked him within an hour of meeting him) claimed he lied about being Jewish. Apparently, that's all it takes for an Israeli court to put someone in prison. Right out of the 1960s South.
[bold]"Rape by deception" turns out to be brutal rape of a vulnerable and abused woman[/bold]
This July, Israeli and world media enthusiastically covered a peculiar verdict issued by an Israeli court, sentencing a Palestinian man to 18 months in prison for impersonating a Jewish bachelor and under that guise convincing a Jewish woman to have consensual sex with him. The accusations of racism were flung forcefully at the woman and the Israeli judiciary, despite the focus of the verdict on the marital status of the man and not his race. "All men should be jailed if lying is a crime", commentators chirped. The media didn't bother asking why Kashur was initially charged with non-consensual rape, and why he agreed to the plea bargain.
Last week, Haaretz daily published a long expose on the matter (my full translation below), revealing what was behind the plea agreement. The report shows, that the victim, B., was raped by her father since she was six-years-old, and was later forced into prostitution by him. At the time of the rape, B. was staying in a women's shelter after another sexual assault by her father. [bold]According to B.'s testimony, first revealed in the Haaretz report, after Kashur claimed that he was a Jewish bachelor, he enticed her to come into a stairwell in a Jerusalem building, where he brutally raped her. B. was left bleeding, beaten up and half naked by Kashur.[/bold]
Following the rape, B. was hospitalized in a mental institution, where she was investigated by the police. The Prosecutor's office decided to charge Kashur with rape and sexual assault based on B.'s testimony and other evidence. When B. later appeared in Court to give her testimony, which was confused and contradictory at times, she was confronted by the Defense attorney with her past occupation as a prostitute and her father's abuse and rape from an early age. The court appearance left B. severely traumatized. When the Defense learned that B. previously filed 14 complaints against her father and other men for sexual assault, it asked to cross-examine B. once again about the past complaints, while focusing on a number of them that didn't result in an indictment and convictions due to contradictions in her story. The Defense planned to use B.'s past complaints to shatter her credibility. [bold]Wanting to avoid another traumatizing event, the Prosecution formulated a plea bargain with the Defense that reduced the charges to "rape by deception". Essentially, using the threat of once again subjecting a vulnerable rape victim to a traumatizing interrogation, the Defense was able to reach a plea agreement with greatly reduced charges, which didn't correspond with the facts of the incident.[/bold]
[italic]Yeah, the REPUBLICAN party has always been antijew.\
by: Jimmy Carter reply 48 10/18/2010 @ 10:40AM[/itlaic]\
Jimmy Carter is not anti-Jew. He is anti-Israel. Big difference, fuckwad!
You folks are giving the GOP way too much credit. They are pro-Israel because Israel pays them. That the money probably did not originate in Israel, but most likely came out of (always forgiven) "Loans" from the Pentagon, is conveniently forgotten.%0D
Fixed the font for all the Jew haters on this thread. You disgust me.
"That year, 1978, (Menachem) Begin invited The Reverend Jerry Falwell for his first official visit to Israel, and the following year, 1979, his government gave Falwell a gift -- a Lear Jet....The same year that Falwell received his Lear Jet, 1979, he formed the Moral Majority, an organization that changed the political landscape in the United States."%0D\
Learn your history R53, you seem naive.%0D\
This thread just confirms that it''s the fringe lefty nuts who hate Israel. REAL liberals care about liberty and enlightenment and support the governments that protect them. REAL liberals can make important distinctions about government and culture and have a sense of proportion.
Israel "protects" liberty and enlightenment? How interesting. It used to back in socialist days, but not anymore. Today it''s all neocons and cults. They have become just like their neighbors, but reality hasn''t penetrated American brains who saw Israel as standing for something.%0D
r56, since you seem to be blind to proportional differences and blinded by your boilerplate jargon ("neocons and cults") I''ll just ask you two questions:\
Can you have a gay parade in Tel Aviv? \
Can you have a gay parde in Tehran?
Whatever happened to the guy who shot up the gay and lesbian teen center in Tel Aviv?\
They didn''t tell us the aftermath of that one...
There''s so many gay parades in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan....gee I don''t know which one to go to.
I think all the anti-Israel DL queers should get together for a massive Iranian cruise. After leaving the ship they could tour the country, get married in a big ceremony in Tehran and burn Israeli flags. Lots of fun for all.
R57 you need to get out more. Every year that passes, Israel becomes more a part of the middle east and less a part of the west. The rise of Likud was part of that.
r61, I''ve visted Israel. I think it''s you who need to "get out more."\
And I notice you avoided the questions you didn''t want to answer.
Norman Podhoretz and Midge Dechter
Thank you for spelling that out on Datalounge, R49. I saw so many people denounce Israel as racist over that case. And nary a person apologized once the news came out that it was the result of a plea bargain.
Gays in Arabic countries have so many rights you know.
How does Obama figure into all of this?
[quote]They believe that the return of the Jews to Ha Aretz is a sign of the second coming and the end times as foretold in the Book of Revelations.
This truly is all there is to it.
[quote]Can you have a gay parade in Tel Aviv? Can you have a gay parde in Tehran?
Point? No one is loving Iran's stance on gays or Israel or anything else. The Iranian government is fucked.
I'd love to hear why I should approve of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and why the US government should fund it.
Chicken hawk republicans love to start wars but have others fight them, so they can gain a profit. Israel just needs US permission. hence the marriage.
Republicans also had a very long time ago a long standing history of being much less racist than Democrats.
Times change. People change.
Aren't you guys even slightly suspicious why this thread has been resurrected?
Because Israel is governed and administered by dual citizen Israeli/Americans,ex-Soviet bloc mafia,religious nutbars of all stripes who find it very convenient to tell many highly placed republican government and military officials what to do and when to do it.
It's called lobbying which in other countries is called bribery.
They are PAID to be pro Israel.
We have republicans in the highest levels of government who are more loyal to Israel than to the US itself right down to the fact that they share state secrets with Israel and they make no bones about it either.
"Aren't you guys even slightly suspicious why this thread has been resurrected?"
Good catch, 71. Yes we have a full-on "professional" troll on here tonight. Only he's too stupid to know how he sticks out like a sore thumb.
Let's see, a week of us partying on here with not much of a peep from "them". Suddenly tonight we have what seems to be 5 or 6 different conservatives on here (all with the same script) acting like it's just business as usual with their shtick?
Look bub, it's so very very VERY obvious you are on here dumping cookies and hiding from troll-dar. It's giving you away as pure-troll. At least if you didn't try to hide your identity we could give you the benefit of the doubt as to being simply stupid and confused. But the cookie-dumping tells us what you're really up to.
WE KNOW IT'S YOU, DUMMY!
You can't possibly getting paid for this so it must be personal for you.
Well your game isn't going to work here at all anymore. We don't care about your lying, your race-baiting, or any of your other sophomoric tricks.
Aren't you embarrassed for yourself? I mean, what kind of life do you lead that you come on to a website and pretend to be different people and try to say something to get a rise out of people? Is that what you call doing something productive with your life?
You know you're really cheating yourself. Think about it this way, all the time you spend here is presumably to bring you joy (joy derived from making other people upset or angry or whatever).
Why don't you skip the middleman, and go find something that actually directly makes you feel better? You know, like reading something not from the reality-defying bubble of the NeoCons.
Then you can quit wasting our time (ours and yours). Think about it, ok?
Yep, the freeper trolls are visiting all websites now and even bringing up the Obama gay rumors again. I saw one post an article from 2010 about gay bathhouses in Chicago that Obama supposedly visited.
Mormons want that Israeli real estate. They are planning to build a temple in Jerusalem so Christ can return and rule the world from there (and also from Jackson County, Missouri)
Why did the last thread about things heating up in Israel get deleted? I didn't think it was bad. Can't we have intelligent conversations, or does every thread have to be about Thanksgiving, dicks, and ass?
r76, someone blamed 9/11 on Muslims that took out their frustrations on US because they've backed Israel. Because of this we all have to go through hell at the airport just like Israelis have been doing for years.
There are Democrats that are fervently pro-Israel as well. Most Jewish people are registered Democrat. Neither party is anti-Israel.
In fact, I think our government might as well sanction Israel as the 51st state since it seems that for the most part we already serve Israel's interests with our foreign policy twd. the Middle East. AIPAC, along with the NRA, AARP, oil, financial, & pharmaceutical industries have the biggest lobbies/special interest groups in Washington.
They buy favors from Congress.
Just as Muslims make pilgrimages to Mecca, so do many Christians, and not just fundies, visit The Holy Land. Also visiting are artists, archaeologists, and history buffs. Non-Catholics support and desire to visit Italy, in the same light.
Fuck the Jews!
[quote]AIPAC, along with the NRA, AARP, oil, financial, & pharmaceutical industries have the biggest lobbies/special interest groups in Washington. They buy favors from Congress.
The difference is that you can find politicians on opposing sides for all of those issues, except Israel. The most liberal of Dems turn into warmongers on behalf of Israel. They justify every single thing Israel does. The senate went over the head of the president to pass a resolution for preemptive war with Iran (only Rand Paul voted "No").
The fact that we have politicians who think nothing of calling out this country's behavior when it comes to war (regardless of who is president), yet blindly defends every single thing Israel does to the point of quickly drawing up resolutions -even as the bodies are still smouldering in Gaza- to state their full support of Israel's actions, should tell you this isn't about right and wrong; it never has been about right and wrong.
There is nothing Israel will do that will ever get called out by this country until AIPAC's influence is cut off, and that includes influence in media coverage sans Bob Simon who is one of the few who has spent decades over there and has been honest about what he has witnessed.
The only reason we're even hearing about this now is because 3 Israelis died, and it's always the Palestinians who "started it." No mention of the dozens or even hundreds of Palestinians who have been killed, had their homes destroyed, land confiscated, etc., between the last time you heard anything and now.
When it's covered, you rarely if ever even get the perspective from the other side. Think about every time you even see the Mideast covered (regardless of country), do they ever bring on an American of Arab or Muslim descent when they have their little round tables on the Sunday shows? Nope. No voice for the other side allowed.
Consider the media's coverage in the lead up to the Iraq war. So why start believing them now?
They are all controlled by the zionists and they are so so afraid to be called anti semitic; they'll do anything to lick Isrealis balls.
They discovered shared fascist values.
[quote]Israel keeps the peace in the region.