Who was Liz Smith''s long-term partner?? Was it Iris Love?
Or was that just a "close friendship"? She treats her like a roommate in her bio.
It was Iris Love, who was a member of the Guggenheim family. She also discovered the ruins of the Temple of Diana in Turkey.
I thought I heard she went out with Jessica Savitch, doomed newscaster.
I could be totally making this up, but I thought it was Cynthia McFadden from Nightline.
Liz Smith''s LTR was with Iris Love\
Jessica Savitch''s partner was Sue Simmons, now the anchor at WNBC TV in NYC\
Cynthia McFadden is not gay, but she was rumored to be the illegitimate daughter of Katharine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy (which of course is bogus since both were gay).\
Are we clear now?
R4 thinks gay people can''t reproduce.
Don''t you think it just a bit far out that Cynthia McFadden was the executrix of Katherine Hepburn''s will and has a son who she named after Spencer Tracy? \
I mean, there is something to the rumor, maybe?
So who is Diane Sawyer''s lady?
So Liz is in the closet? Roommate? Right.
WAS Iris Love? They broke up or is she dead?
Who raised McFadden?
McFadden befriended Hepburn in her later years, but there was never any blood connection.
cynthia mcfadden is not gay on a technicality. she is a big dyke and has had affairs with women
I mean the McFadden rumor, sorry.
[quote]cynthia mcfadden is not gay on a technicality. she is a big dyke and has had affairs with women.\
OOOO I love this shit! Who are some of her lovers?
Diane Sawyer''s is a lesbian?.
I thought Iris Love was somebody from "Another World"
Yes, she is with Cynthia (or was last I knew). And they are deeply closeted. \
I have a friend who had a fairly close working relationship with Cynthia. One day she happened up Liz and Cynthia strolling together on the Upper West Side -- I believe Cynthia''s son may have been in a stroller at the time -- and at the sight of my friend they immediately proceeded to pretend they weren''t together. Cynthia stopped to chat while Liz non-chalantly continued on.
[quote] Diane Sawyer is a lesbian?\
Just ask mystery writer Patricia Cornwell
Beverlee McKinsey is spinning in her grave.
Diane is not with Patricia. This week Real Estalker had the info on a Boston apartment Patricia bought with her partner. The woman listed as her partner was not Diane.%0D\
Either Diane/Patricia split or the rumor of their relationship was bogus.%0D\
I''m going with option #2.
Liz also had a longtime affair with Press Agent Diane Judge. This was before Iris. Diane was a piss, I often wonder what happened to her.
Liz Smith loves men, just ask her. She ain''t no lezzie. And she''s a proud native Texan so she cain''t be no lezzie.
Kaye Ballard and Liz were also very close at one time in the 50s....
Wasn''t Iris a dog breeder?
[quote]Yes, she is with Cynthia (or was last I knew). And they are deeply closeted.\
I have a friend who had a fairly close working relationship with Cynthia. One day she happened up Liz and Cynthia strolling together on the Upper West Side -- I believe Cynthia''s son may have been in a stroller at the time -- and at the sight of my friend they immediately proceeded to pretend they weren''t together. Cynthia stopped to chat while Liz non-chalantly continued on.\
Liz Smith and Cynthia Mcfadden?????
Liz used to gush over Malcom Forbes''s relationship with Liz Taylor.%0D\
For what it''s worth I did see Liz and Cynthia at a play together several years ago.
a great many long-term husbands, wives and partners are eventually treated as rommates.
The rumor about Patricia and Diana was a while back before she hooked up with the woman she moved to Boston with.
Speaking of the Tracey/Hepburn love child. Wouldn''t that have been the girl in GUESS WHO''S COMING TO DINNER (can''t remember her name)? I remember the storey that she was Hepburn''s niece but looking back on it now she looks too much like Kate NOT to be her daughter.%0D\
Cynthia McFadden runs with the Rosie/Liza set in New York. I doubt she''s with old Liz Smith but she pings off the charts.
I always thought Cynthia was gay, I''d be really surprised if she isn''t, like r34 says, she pings off the charts.\
Is that Rosie Perez or Rosie O''Donnell r34?
Here's a section from a New York magazine profile of Liz from 2000, when her memoir, Natural Blonde, was published. Apparently, in the book she writes about every "straight" crush she ever had, but is a lot less forthcoming about her relationships with women -- such as her 15-year partnership with Love.
[. . .] when she [Smith] finally gets to her well-known relationship with archaeologist Iris Love at page 272, she is stingy in her depiction of a live-in arrangement that lasted fifteen years. Liz and Iris's relationship was well known enough in certain New York circles that in the eighties, publicist Bobby Zarem, the only enemy Liz hasn't made nice with, sent out 400 wedding announcements, to which some recipients actually responded with gifts. (One Hollywood producer reportedly sent the couple hers and hers towels.) The book makes no mention of this infamous incident. "I resented it a lot because my mother was still alive -- it was disgusting," is all Liz will say.
For years, Liz and Iris were inseparable, making the rounds of society parties and reading novels together in the car as they drove back and forth to their second home, in Vermont. But in the book, Smith describes Iris as a "pal" who moved into her apartment because it "was in Manhattan."
It's a distant and rather joyless take on their years together. Iris doesn't like it, either, admits Liz. "But look," she says, "everybody edits themselves. I don't think I'm under any obligation to tell every intimate thing that I ever did. Or said or felt. And, well, maybe I feel guilty. I always felt I sort of abandoned her . . . I think I'm a serial relationship failure. Iris stuck around with me for a long time, but I'm not good at commitment, I guess."
She looks down at her lap. "I also didn't want to go into any romantic details, because it wasn't really like that. That really wasn't the point of it . . . You're probably right: I don't think I dealt with that part very straightforwardly."
Thanks for publishing that r36, I always heard she was self-loathing and that piece there proves it. I always love the part where people say why should I tell every little detail. You''re writing a autobiography for one. \
And guilt for leaving her, well how about guilt for making a 15 year relationship sound like you were just friends.
Liz has always been a self-loathing lesbian. And it''s ironic that a gossip columnist is so guarded about her own personal life.%0D\
I think that Ann Richards, who was thick as thieves with Liz and Molly Ivins, was a lesbian. Her alcoholism was probably due to the stress of being in the closet. Everyone in Austin, TX considered her to be gay when she was governor.
Didn''t Liz learn the "ropes" from closeted lesbian PR queen Pat Newcomb?
Liz is just typical of the elderly lesbian (or gay guy) pushing 90...much more concerned about what "society" will think than about living an honest life.
I don''t blame her for her old old fashioned ''privacy'' issues, But when she writes shit like this, I''m gagging:%0D\
>>Sinatra the thug has morphed into her latest crush. "I had a feeling for what it would be like to be in his strong and capable arms . . . his beautiful French cuffs, fantastic silk tie, wonderful hands with clean strong nails and sexy wrists. (I''d always been a sucker for wrists.) I loved his smell, the scars on his face.
I give her big points for admitting as much as she did on r36 post.
R38, shut your fat ass know nothing trap. I knew them all well, and frankly Ann and Molly weren''t that close. Molly was much closer to Dave Richards, Ann''s husband. Ann was NOT a lesbian in any way and nobody who actually knew her thinks she was. SHE WAS A GRANDMOTHER FOR GOD SAKE.\
People like you make me urp
Diane Sawyer and Mike Nichols have a classic marriage of convenience. Mike was, shall we say, less than discreet in his dalliances with young men, and while I don''t know that he was about to be outed in a major way, their marriage in 1988 was rather hastily cobbled together. Odd, too, since Nichols fathered three kids in three marriages.\
Diane was linked to two men before Nichols, Frank Gannon and Richard Holbrook, both DC types, but I''ve never heard anything about either of them being gay.
My neighbor has 5 grandkids and he is gayer than a basket of kittens.
Puleeeze, r44. Did you know that Dianne was also linked with closet case RICHARD NIXON?%0D\
I want to know why Liz Smith devoted an entire chapter in her book to Lena Horne.
Good question, r46.
[quote]Ann was NOT a lesbian in any way and nobody who actually knew her thinks she was. SHE WAS A GRANDMOTHER FOR GOD SAKE.%0D\
FYI, Grannies lick pussy, too.
R21, Patricia & Diane broke up years ago.
Details on their relationship, R49?
I''d like all you worshippers of the rich to tell me what either Liz Smith or Dr. Iris Love has done for the gay community with all their loot. Indeed, isn''t Dr. Love a textbook example of a rich person who could have done huge things for gay rights, but she couldn''t be bothered with the hoi polloi?
Could some witty/creative individual please write something similar to what''s in R41 as "Liz Smith" HONESTLY describing how she felt in the presence of a beautiful woman like Elizabeth Taylor or Lena Horne? %0D\
Liz is lacking balls in that area, and desperately trying to prove her heterosexual credentials...I''d like to read some truth, even if it''s made up.
Liz had the hots for both Liz Taylor and Barbra Streisand to the point of stalking.
Neither Liz Taylor nor Babs got an entire chapter in Liz Smith''s autobio like Lena Horne did.%0D\
Read her gushing in a book review:
McFadden and Smith are discussed as buying a house together in William J. Mann's biography of Hepburn. When McFadden's immaculately conceived baby popped out, she named him Spencer, claiming it was Hepburn's idea. Apparently Cindy worked hard at linking herself to Hepburn.
HMMM....Liz Smith, Ann Richards, Iris Love, Cynthia Mcfaddan, Diane Sawyer, Holland Taylor...
Quite the sewing circle, eh?
Liz Smith used to always try and eat Ann Richiards pussy, but Ann wasnt a dyke.
Is McFadden's husband gay? What does he get out of this arrangement?
How much pussy has Liz licked? Did she munch her way to the top?
Holland Taylor was supposedly involved with Diane Judge at one time, but have she and Liz ever been a couple?
Holland Taylor is a LESBIAN?
Good Lord, R63, turn in your gay card immediately.
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Liz Smith, you mistreated me in your bio, you physically abused me with that callous font.
[quote]How much pussy has Liz licked?
184.453464, to be precise
Liz was also "close" to Connie Ford and Jackie Babbin, two old school dykes.
R62, get off this forum. Next you'll be surprised that Katharine Hepburn was a lesbian.
Is Liz Smith still alive?
I had her.
[quote] Wasn't Iris a dog breeder?
Yes, R27 , she bred Dachshunds. The kennel name is/was Dachsmith.
Sue Simmons also had a relationship with Sara Lee Kessler, later of Channel 9 and NJN, currently on "News 101.9 FM." She married a nice Jewish boy, moved to Jersey, and now has kids.
And you know this because....?
A friend who worked with them told me at the time.
SO...have Liz and Holland done the deed? Liz sure promotes Holland enough to suggest they are more than just casual friends.
Bumping uglies bump...
Diane Sawyer a lesbian? swooooon.
When I was in college in New York City, I interviewed Liz Smith for the campus news magazine. We had lunch at NBC studios cafeteria and she hit on me! By the way, I'm a female.