Yes, discussed in the lead-up to the NAFTA treaty.\
"North America," the merged nation = Canada, USA, and Mexico,
Well, fundies have invaded Canada and are busy trying to turn it into a shithole - rolling back women''s rights, shredding the social safety net, etc. So, I guess it could happen.
we''re just too different. would never work.%0D\
i would like to suggest however that the two countries make a trade. the US can have alberta in exchange for the easter seaboard [four most north easter states.
I don''t think Canada''s interested.
Canada is not interested in much...
Oh, I''m sure Canada would be thrilled to get rid of their universal healthcare, have fundamentalist religious creeps in positions of power, and have 51% of their taxes go to the military-industrial complex. Who could ever turn down such an attactive offer?%0D\
Ummm, no. They''re fucking crazy down there. And getting nuttier all the time.
The current Canadian Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, is an Evangelical Christian and very, pro American. He was GW Bushs #1 friend. who called him "Steve" internationally, so much so, even the Obama administration gives him the cold shoulder now. If it were up to Stephen Harper, Canada would already be 13 new states.\
The second in line, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff, said once in an interview years ago "as an American......".\
Very scary for Canadians.
Canada is a cunt factory. For all the problems that the U.S. has, the people of Canada are intolerably rude, and would make a poor partner for any other nation.
the Turks and Caicos Islands
[quote]i would like to suggest however that the two countries make a trade. the US can have alberta in exchange for the easter.%0D\
Easter Island is part of Chile, I doubt the US could force them to give it to Canada.
Never in a million years
Actually, if the USA broke up in a 2nd American Revolution, Canada would gain a few US states.
No American state would want to join Canada, R12. Even the most liberal state finds Canada annoying, and would prefer to go it alone.
[quote] The second in line, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff, said once in an interview years ago "as an American......".%0D\
I saw Justin Bieber say, when he thought a New Zealand television interviewer was saying "Jew man," instead of "German," that "we don''t say that in America." %0D\
True Canada is in North America, but most Canadians would say "We don''t say that in Canada."
Well, Justin Bieber is just a fat-headed dopey kid from Canada who needs to be taken out back and horsewhipped ... what else is there to be said?
Not in this lifetime.
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
all three countries should have open boarders, it would solve SO many present day problems.
Uh, wouldn''t the UK have something to say about this if it ever reared it''s ugly head again? Isn''t Canada one of the UK''s "provinces", like Australia?
[quote]Isn''t Canada one of the UK''s "provinces", like Australia?\
HM The Queen is at once the Queen of Canada and of Australia as well as of the UK, but all three are politically separate. The UK is now more like a sibling to them than their mother.
If most Americans left America and went to some other country...maybe Iran...then I would support this. Americans make America a pretty shitty country to live in.
even our most red necked albertan hillbillies are more left than your democrats.%0D\
never would canada even dream about becoming anything like the turd knuckles to our south.
It could only improve America but if I were Canadian I would be horrified at the thought.
Canada is responsible for some of America''s best gay television: Bump, Chris & John To the Rescue, Dante''s Cove and Mulligans, just to name a few.
Really R2, how the hell did that happen? Who let them in?
Way down south
It''s a disastrously bad idea. How would it actually function? Canadians wouldn''t accept joining the States. And I can''t imagine Denver becoming a North American Brussels.\
And then there''s Mexico...
Hell, the Quebecois already look down their noses at the rest of Canada. I can''t see them wanting to join the USA.
If we merge let''s pick a better country, one that matters--Canada just will never be happening and it''s trying to put itself as a top state is sad.
California, OR-gun, and Washington would all vote to join Canadialand in a heartbeat.
Don''t delude yourself, R29. They''d rather go it alone than be tied to the Great White North.
"Has this ever seriously been discussed?"\
Not by Canadians. Most would be repulsed by same.
Yank in ON
Well R30, I live in WA and I''d be quite happy if WA became a new Canadian province.
This is the silliest thread we''ve had on the DL in ages. Canadians and Americans are equally repulsed by each other, and neither party, save the basement-dwellers of either nation, would want to form an all-encompassing union. Canadians think that Americans are boorish, belligerent, and fat. Americans think that Canadians are smug, boring, and ugly.
You represent all of Washington, R32. When are you sending the unimportant people to the death camps?
God, no. We need Canada separate so that we can pretend to be Canadian when we''re abroad.
Canada''s socialized medicine scheme has already creeped over the border, it''s called ObamaCare.
Except that Canada''s health care actually works, you freeper moron.
The more land, the merrier!
45 year old Canadian here, and yes, I remember when it was discused, very seriously in Canada, in the late 70''s. This was when Quebec voted to separate. The idea was that the Western Provinces would join the U.S. Quebec stayed put so the discussion went away.
The US would be salivating at all the natural resources it could plunder and rape if Canada became part of the US. Canada is by far the healthier of the two countries, taking the long term view. Low population, huge natural resources, strong economy, universal healthcare, higher standard of living. Who''d want to merge with the US and lose all that? Maybe Mexico is interested, but I note OP didn''t raise that as an option.
Anti-Americanism is too ingrained in Canadian culture for this to happen. It''s sort of an ego salvaging defense mechanism by the Canadians to tell each other incessantly that they are better than Americans (despite all objective measures to the contrary).\
From the American point of view, it makes no difference. Any resource or product that Canada has that we want, they are happy to sell to us at a cheap price. As long as we have access to the goods, what benefit would there be to America to change the borders?
Great idea; the new country could be named the U.S.Eh?
People are working on it. One of the lead proponents of this is Robert Pastor of American University (former Chair of NAFI).
The proposed country was called Cascadia and it included BC, Washington, Oregon, and sometimes California. \
The promoters believed those bodies had more in common with each other than their respective countries.
[quote]The US would be salivating at all the natural resources it could plunder and rape if Canada became part of the US.\
If the US wanted Canada, it would already have it. The US has never been hesitant to invade a country on the premise, real or manufactured, of national security.
The Canadian colonies were invited to join the lower 13 during the revolution, but declined. \
There were several attempts during the 18th & 19th centuries to merge the two, but of course, nothing ever came of it.
Adding to that, the US invaded Canada during both the war of independence, and the war of 1812. Benjamin Franklin attempted and failed to have Britain cede Canada over to the US during peace negotiations. \
Many British loyalists wound up in Canada, and the US was distrustful of a British presence on their northern border for many decades. \
After the British so brutally expelled/ethnically-cleansed the Acadians, shortly before the American war of independence, I suspect the Quebecois just wanted to keep to themselves. The British had allowed them to keep their land and stay alive, they probably didn''t want to rock the boat.\
New England and the Canadian Maritimes eventually formed very close bonds, but I don''t think either would ever want to switch countries. I could imagine a joint New England-Maritime union if the US & Canada ever started rearranging themselves again. Boston gets it''s Christmas tree every year as a gift from Nova Scotia.
As a Canadian living in the US it will be a sad for Canada if they join the USA. The grass is not always greener on the other side. Be good neighbors, but keep Canada separate. For those that think everything in the US is so great, come down and live full time for awhile. You will probably have a change of heart in a hurry.
I vote to call it Americanico
Pssst! We don''t want Quebec. Just the mineral rights will do.
The U.S. is too big as it is. We can''t even govern what we have.
All the objective measures show they are better than we are.%0D
Can I go up to Vancouver and get health care? I can''t afford insurance and have come down with a disabling illness and don''t qualify for us government help because I''m not 65 and I don''t have kids. I''m in non-stop pain and have no way to get proper treatment.
This could happen if Canada has a serious recession AND the US republicans can find a constitutional way to expand the white base by absorbing Canada.
I could almost see the US dissolving into its two neighbours - the northern states going to Canada and Mexico reclaiming its former territories in the southwest US by birthrate replacement. That would leave the former CSA to rise again as their own country cuz nobody else wants them.
I''m not repulsed by Canada at all.
They''ll never merge the nations, but the states of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Minnesota, Washington, & Oregon would fit well with Canada.
Likewise, Alberta is culturally much more American than the rest of Canada.
PM Harper doesn''t want Canada to merge with the USA, he would be low man on the totem pole, he would lose his power. Harper wants to run Canada LIKE the USA. Big military, Evangelical Christian Law and Private Healthcare.
A LOT of Canadians want this because they are sick of health care and personal liberty
Doesn''t Canada confiscate porn at the border? What''s up with that?
There was a great book written in the 1980's called "The Nine Nations of North America." %0D
New England, Dixie, Quebec, Heartland(The Breadbasket), Foundry, Mexamerica, Tropicana (the Islands), Ecotopia (Pacifica, Cascadia) and The Wilderness (The Empty Quarter.)%0D
Some things I just cannot see happening: %0D
Texas won't be divided into three areas, and would probly become it's own nation. %0D
I could see Alaska, Yukon and Northwest Territories, Alberta, British Columbia and Manitoba, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas getting something together as the Frontier/Cowboy Fascist Bastion. %0D
Utah would be the center of a Mormonstan, called Deseret. %0D
Southern Florida WON'T align with the horrid melange known as "The Islands." Most Cubans, Haitians, Dominicans, Jamaicans and Puerto RIcans went there to ESCAPE from their shithole paradises. %0D
"The Foundry" just doesn't work as an entity. The Mid-Atlantic, Ontario and Midwest zones would probably be three different areas. %0D
the new nation would be called CUM (Canada, US, Mexico).
I think the book that reflects this is Richard Rohmers "Exxoneration". Even though this was written in the cold war, it is a more realistic scenario. Remember the US Government currently includes Alberta''s Oil Sands production in US domestic oil production numbers. So basically the American government already considers Canada''s resources property of the USA right now.
Prove that R66, i don''t believe Alberta Sands are in US domestic production figures.
I think part of the problem with that model, R64, is that Canadian geographic/cultural trends don''t necessarily mirror America''s.\
I agree the Foundry doesn''t work as a concept anymore, and Toronto/Ottawa corridor really resembles New York/Boston more than it does the Upper Midwest cities like Detroit/Cleveland. \
The Maritime provinces are the poorest in Canada, and quite different demographically from Boston and New England.\
The lower mainland in British Columbia is not Frontier/Cowboy, it''s much more similar to Seattle/Portland and Northern California culturally. \
Manitoba is culturally more like Minnesota/Wisconsin than it is Montana/Wyoming -- for the past twelve years, Manitoba has voted in the social democrat NDP to the provincial legislature by quite high margins.
Yep. The North American Union.%0D\
Behind closed doors, the Bush administration collaborated with the governments of Mexico and Canada to merge the three nations into one Socialist mega-state. Obama is continuing this mission.%0D\
Why do you think we''re allowing Mexican drug cartels to proliferate without doing shit?
[quote]Why do you think we''re allowing Mexican drug cartels to proliferate without doing shit?\
I don''t know Alex, why don''t you tell us?
Americans will NEVER go for becoming ONE with Canada. Americans overwhelmingly HATE Canada.
I don''t know about that r71. Do Americans hate Canadians more than they hate blacks and the increasing number of latinos? I think white America would go for any reason to increase the white population in America back to a clear majority.
r72, I think they''d find white Canadians voting more Democratic than they''re hoping.
Where does racially obsessed trash like r72 come from?
Alberta would join USA in a heartbeat as they have much in common with USA. The rest of Canada though.. not so much.
Not so sure about that considering Calgary,often considered the most "American" and conservative city in the most "American" province in Canada elected a Muslim mayor last year.
I''m just hoping the US gets busy building a fence along the 49th parallel much like they are building along the Mexican border.\
However,I think the the plan is more to keep Americans IN in the future rather than the scary others out.
R66 Not the quote I was looking for, but this will do.\
LINK From 2006.......... Page A-2 I have BLOCKED the key text.\
House Resources Committee\
Chairman Richard W. Pombo (R-CA) said:\
"We cannot conserve our way out of an empty tank of gas. WE HAVE TO PRODUCE MORE AT HOME,\
and THERE IS PLENTY AT HOME TO PRODUCE." By combining conservation efforts with ADDITIONAL DOMESTIC PRODUCTION, the United States can\
close the gap between supply and demand to become more energy efficient. With current\
production and proposed development in North America, the United States could increase its domestic supply by 17.2 million barrels per day by 2030. "Contrary to the claims of special interest groups, we can produce more energy"
And after that, will we become a part of The Klingon Empire?
We Americans tried to take Canada during the War of 1812.
Harper wanted to sell Canada to the US, but now he has decided to sell Canada to China.
Canada is not interested its only beacause they want to keep their own citizens
Fear to lose taxe payers that's all
His nations are El Norte, New France, Tidewater, Yankeedom, New Netherland, The Deep South, the Midlands, Greater Appalachia, First Nation, the Far West, the Left Coast.
No thanks. America has enough racist rednecks as it is.
Canada is already a country so we don't need to merge with any other nation. We're also a member of the Commonwealth with the Queen as our Head of State. There's enough squabbling over differences with that lot and it's quite enough, thank you!
Happy With My Lot
80 Indeed, and it ended with the burning of the White House so I don't think it will be tried again
Easier access to Quebecois size meat?
I thought it would be great if we were all reabsorbed by mother britain, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. That would make me happiest.
[quote] We're also a member of the Commonwealth with the Queen as our Head of State.
I'm pretty sure we have more queens than you do.
[quote]I thought it would be great if we were all reabsorbed by mother britain, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand
Thanks for leaving us out. Seriously.
I can't recall one instance in modern history where two independent countries merged.
The overwhelming trend is to break-up into smaller autonomous units, rather than merging.
As unlikely as it is, it's more probable that Quebec would break away than it is that Canada would merge with the US.
R94, I am not sure you consider 50 years ago to be modern history but Zanzibar and Tanganyika merged in 1964 to form Tanzania. Both had been independent countries.
In 1958 Egypt and Syria formed the United Arab Republic which lasted about three years.
They already one country. Most people refer to Canada as "Baja Minnesota."
Uh, wouldn't Canada be ALTA Minnesota?
Canada does not need or want insane gun laws like the U.S.A. There is no such thing as the "right to bear arms" in Canada.. Even the NRA tried unsuccessfully to set up a Canadian version and it has been rightfully shunned and ignored by the populace and politicians.. Canada also will be celebrating the 10th anniversary of same sex marriage on July 2015 and Canadians have watched in disbelief on how Americans have treated gay people who wish to marry. Universal health care is another aspect of daily life that Canadians would never give up. Not to mention the banking industry is tightly regulated by the federal government and when the banking crisis hit the U.S. a few years ago, Canada emerged relatively unscathed due to those tight regulations. Thanks but no thanks to that idea.