- Absolutely Ava
- Ava. I''ve seen shots of Lamarr where she looks gorgeous and others where she looked blandly beautiful. Not so with Gardner.
- That''s HEADLEY LaMarr, OP!
- Wow OP, that really is a tough one; both strikingly beautiful. I guess I''d say Hedy Lamarr isn''t as sexy as Ava so maybe Ava has a slight edge with the added wow factor. Of course Hedy was brilliant so she brings that to the table too, and intelligence is very appealing.
- Hedy was more beautiful, although Ava was much more attractive. Hedy projected no personality at all, Ava had tons and amazing sexual charisma. %0D\
However, Hedy was actually a touch more beautiful. Hedy had a perfect face, while Ava did need a good cinematographer to make the most of her looks, from certain angles her face looked kind of flat and round. And she didn''t have a spectacular profile. %0D\
Best I can do for an unflattering picture.
- Ava Gardner in her prime was breathtaking.
- Ava without a doubt. She was extraordinarily beautiful.
- Hedy had a brief period (around "Algiers" when she was just jaw-droppingly lush and stunning), then got too Hollywoodized and angular.%0D\
Ava had a much longer period of being the best-looking broad in Hollywood.
- Hollywoodized, R11?
- Hedy was beautiful, but it was a colder, less approachable beauty than Ava''s.\
Ava had the kind of beauty you couldn''t get enough of.
- Tough call. Ava was warmer, Hedy had a classic, Greek beauty. I don''t think I have ever seen a more gorgeous woman than Hedy Lamarr in Ziegfeld Girl, though. Standing there, surrounded by "stardust" in an Adrian gown? Lordy, that is something other worldly. So gorgeous you think if you stare too long you will turn into a pillar of salt. \
Yet, as others have said, Ava was breathtaking, too. Her lush features and that sexy cleft in her chin made her a goddess. You couldn''t, indeed, get enough of her. So easy to see how she rocked skinny little Frank Sinatra''s clock. She could have bought and sold him ten times over. And pretty much did.
- r1 in that pix of Hedy, she could pass as Joan Bennett.
- Ava, every time. And also she was much more interesting to look at on-screen. . .there was something going on in her head, while Hedy looked so wooden all the time.
- Ava was prettier, but Hedy didn''t devalue her stock by sleeping with Mickey Rooney, so....
- Mickey pestered the hell out of Ava until she said "yes" to get him to shut up. Come to think of it Maureen O''Hara did the same thing (not with Mickey).
- For my money, it''s Hedy.
- ".there was something going on in her head, while Hedy looked so wooden all the time."\
Funny you say that ''cause Hedy was actually a brainiac. She was a frequent inventor and I once read that she''d developed the original idea that led to cell phone technology.\
BTW: I always thought that Hedy Lamarr and Vivien Leigh looked very similar.
- Yes, R23, I knew she had patented that invention during WWII, so I should have been more specific: I meant that when acting, there seemed to be some emotional life, some complexity and interest, to Gardner''s performances that for me just weren''t present in Lamarr''s. (I think HL was just dreadful in almost every film--particularly Ziegfeld Girls.)\
I know Gardner ended up as a rather sad old lush, but I think she''d have been fun as hell to hang out iwith.
- Check them both out on youtube as Mystery Guests on What''s My Line?\
No contest...Ava all the way!\
Though I guess Hedy was about 10 years older than Ava.
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- Ava all the way.
- Girls, girls, they''re both pretty!
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- [quote]I know Gardner ended up as a rather sad old lush, but I think she''d have been fun as hell to hang out with.%0D\
I dunno. Boosting items at the drug store with Lamarr might be good for a giggle or two. %0D\
- Both. Remember, Hedy had brains and beauty as well. %0D\
"Lamarr was a scientist, inventor and mathematician who co-invented an early technique for spread spectrum communications, a key to many forms of wireless communication from the pre-computer age to the present day."%0D\
- CYD CHARISSE!
- Both were stunning, but I''d go for Hedy.\
I''d want to be at a party with Ava, though.
- Based purely on physical beauty, just basing it on aesthetics, I''d give the edge to Hedy. But if you add in personality, Ava wins handily.
- Ava is in an early movie tonight at 10:30 CDT on TCM. Apparently it is derby day at the movies and the film is called She Went to the Races from 1945.
- GOTDAMMIT! They are both pretty. Stop this bullshit. I''d tap both.
- Ava gets my vote.
- Hedy \
Ava was hot and certainly not ugly, but Hedy Lamarr was ridiculously gorgeous.
- Ava stole hearts.%0D\
Hedy stole cosmetics.
- Hedy Lamarr or Ava Gardner? Well the answer is..Lana Turner! Lol.
Lana Turner believed that the most beautiful woman that she ever saw was Hedy Lamarr. Lana also believed that Ava Gardner was more beautiful than herself. Well, i believe that Lana Turner was more beautiful than Hedy or Ava. Beauty is a matter of taste of course. Cheers!
- [quote]Who was the most beautiful?
- Lana Turner young looked like dryer lint with tits, and as a mature woman looked like the kind of slag you'd find sitting in a tavern hoping a grin will get her a drink, and it that failed a pathetic groan.
- Vivien Leigh beats both of them, hands down.
- Both really beautiful, but I'd want to look like Ava at the height of her beauty, she was unbelievably stunning.
- Yes r24, Ziegfield Girls showed Hedy at her most beautiful. I've seen later pic of her though, and she had some horrible plastic surgery.
- Very different looks. Both of them perfection.
- Ava had it all - just look at stills of her in Pandora and the Flying Dutchman. She had the attitude too.
- R43 are you serious about Lana Turner? Lol. Of course you can't be serious! Lana Turner was one of the most beautiful Hollywood actresses that have ever appeared in the celluloid. Are you blind to beauty? Obviously, that must be! The young Lana Turner was one of the most beautiful and sweet creatures of this planet,she seemed so fresh, so innocent and so sweet despite her personal adventures. Google ''Lana Turner and Steven Crane at a Los Angeles Air Base during World War II'', and when you see her if you find it in your stoney heart, slander her again.
As Lana grew older she didn't look pathetic at all as you claim that she looked. Her performances became more solid and her face more mature. She didn't become ugly at all!
Of course, you don't expect from a person who reaches 65 or 70 to look like the epitome of beauty, nobody is then! PLEASE do me a favour and show a little respect for that woman. Despite her personal mishaps and bad choices, Lana Turner was always trying to make herself beautiful for others and her many insecurities didn't make her aloof until she grew old and got sick. To expose your beauty and trying to retain that beauty is not easy in this fucking, indifferent world we live in, so PLEASE be less vulgar the next time you choose to write or say something.
- [quote]Yes [R24], Ziegfield Girls showed Hedy at her most beautiful.
How timely! "Ziegfeld Girls" was on TCM this morning!
- Hedy: regal, perfect, an intellectual giant as well as "the most beautiful girl in the world". And a nice Jewish girl from Vienna!
Ava: the sexiest woman of the her time.
Comparisons are odious.
- Elizabeth Taylor told Larry King, when he asked her who she thought was the most beautiful woman in Hollywood immediately said "Ava."
Taylor went on to describe how she would never forget seeing Ava for the first time and that itliterally took her breath away.
I'll go along with Taylor.
- Ava Gardner has more of a recognizable look, and nobody looked like her. Hedy Lamarr was beautiful frequently looks like Vivien Leigh.
- Ava and Hedy had something dykish and inconsistent in their face features. Lana hadn't that so i vote too for Lana Turner. I like all these ladies a lot, however i explain what led me to my choice. TO EACH THEIR OWN, after all!
- Ava Gardner in her youth was a goddess, and I've read accounts from people that she was apparently even more stunning in person, if you can imagine. When she walked into a room she turned heads. Ava aged quickly from all the booze and smoking (which eventually killed her at a relatively young age) but in her prime she was exquisite.
- They were both great beauties. It's a matter of taste as to who's the most beautiful.
I go for Ava. I think her looks were more sensual, and that does it for me.
- Ava and Lana= Great chemistry
They were close friends and they had a lot in common and a similar taste in things and men and...whatever else one God knows only! In Cheryl Crane's (daughter of Lana Turner)biography of Lana, Cheryl mentions that Ava Gardner had given pieces of her personal jewelry to Lana as a gift and Cheryl said that she was sure that her mother had done the same for Ava.
- [quote]They were close friends and they had a lot in common
They both loved to party, drink, smoke and fuck hot guys with enormous cocks. My kind of gals.
- This article is for Ava Gardner fans and others...Enjoy!
- HEDY LAMARR. She was enchanting as a woman. She could devour you!
- As a Lesbian...
Ava had an earthiness within her beauty which had hedonistic undercurrents. You just knew that she lived a full life. The way she moved was sex. The was she spoke was sex. She just dripped sex in a raw and sometimes almost dangerously feral fashion without even trying.
Hedy Lamarr was classically beautiful and had a great intellect. Those two things do not lend themselves to the type of balanced sexiness of Ava Gardner but they do make Hedy Lamarr quite the feminine ideal in just as classical a fashion as her own beauty.
Ultimately, they are both equally as beautiful, just in really wildly different fashions.
- Everybody suspects that Ava had lesbian affairs among her romances but not all know that Hedy had lesbian affairs too! She was as bisexual as Ava was. Actually, Hedy Lamarr was a bisexual nymphomaniac!
- So many of those classic stars have been outed as bisexual after their deaths...Cary Grant, Claudette Colbert, Spencer Tracy...the list goes on and on and on. I wonder how their fans from back in the day would have reacted to this kind of news if it had come out when they were all young and at their peak.
- Lana was pretty, but didn't come close to Hedy or Ava. Between the latter two, I'd say it was a draw. Both were exquisitely lovely in their own way.
Lana doesn't belong in their company lookswise. Being blonde, of course, it hides a multitude of flaws, from her short neck to her barrel chest and flat buttocks. But Lana had a relentlessly photogenic face and a great pair of tits.
- Buttocks? Oh gosh lol...
- Lana was more than pretty; in her 20s she was a total knockout.
- This topic is about Hedy and Ava. Let the brunettes have their moment.
- The Golden Era was a different period. The Golden Era of Hollywood was a dream factory and a rose garden...Studios were protecting their stars from bad publicity and homosexuality or bisexuality was a taboo back then. However, most of the actors or actresses had and have been bisexual,or had and have still these tendencies. It's just pure logic, think about it! Art is vanity. Vanity needs mirrors and mirrors are both men and women.
R64 to answer your question, i believe that the fans of these stars would have not the same reaction. Each person has a mind of their own and their personal experiences or needs. One could like it and approve it, one other could dislike it and disapprove it.Anyway, I believe that even back then, the press couldn't alter so easily a fan's opinion. If the fan was fan indeed they would remain a fan of an artist after the spicy details of a story, don't you think?
- Ava had street smarts and was color-blind when it wasn't cool. Her choice of men is the classic "beauty and the beast" story. Opposites do attract.
But as much as I love her, my vote goes to Hedy.
Then too, there's Linda Darnell, Gene Tierney and Elizabeth Taylor.
- Is that Joan Fontaine smirking there in between Lana and Ava?
- R71 you are in! It's Joan Fontaine. Lol.
Both actresses were at the top!
The men were beautiful, as well. Read an oldtimer's recollection that early in their careers, Errol Flynn and Tyrone Power attended a party together, and those who were there already, just couldn't help but stare!
John Derek had the same effect on me, when I saw the old movie, "Knock On Any Door".
- When Hedy Lamarr was first brought to Hollywood by MGM it was with the hope of creating another Garbo, whose career was waning. So Hedy was cast in similar exotic roles that had an aura of foreign mystery and cool aloof sex appeal. She didn't even speak much in her early Holywood films. She was very still.
OTOH Ava Gardner was just the opposite. Very earthy, fleshy with an All-American warm naughty sense of humor.
Though they were both gorgeous brunette products of MGM (albeit with a 10 year age difference), they couldn't have been more different and I would guess they never competed for the same roles.
And then MGM had Elizabeth Taylor, another gorgeous brunette but also not really comparable to Hedy or Ava.
- Below, there is a photo with the three of them (Ava, Lana and Joan). I confirm R71's suspicions by posting that obvious photo! Look at them!
- Joan to Lana and Ava:
"But Olivia told me it was a masquerade party!"
- R70, you did well and you mentioned LINDA DARNELL AND GENE TIERNEY. People should not forget them and those who don't know them yet, they should discover them if they love classic cinema. Both of them were ravishing beauties and had starred in excellent film noirs and movies in general. They both had tragic lives. Beautiful, beautiful women.
- R76 ROFL!
- r69 their careers would have been over in a second if any of those stars' bisexuality was discovered by the public in their heydays.
- R79, maybe you are right. However, i believe that their careers would be over, not because of their fan's reaction but because of the frailty of the manufactured American Dream.
- "So many of those classic stars have been outed as bisexual after their deaths...Cary Grant, Claudette Colbert, Spencer Tracy"
Cary Grant? Could be. He had a "close" relationship with the handsome Randolph Scott. But he was also really into women.
Claudette Colbert? Well, in Hollywood Babylon Kenneth Anger says that she and Marlene Dietrich got it on. Maybe they did. I don't know about Colbert, but Dietrich fucked anything, male or female.
Spencer Tracy? I don't think so. He seems incredibly un-gay to me and the books that claim he was have no proof to it up. I don't think he was.
It's fashionable these days to label long dead classic film stars gay. I expect that when Jack Nicholson and Warren Beatty die there will be books about them claiming that despite being raging pussyhounds they were, in fact, raging closet queens.
- R81 everything is possible. I mean what you say is possible, but there is also the possibility that you are wrong.
- Have to throw in Jennifer Jones and Merle Oberon as true brunette beauties.
- High five R83! Lusty brunettes the stars you mentioned and great actresses.
- Thanks R84. I've always preferred the brunette leading ladies.
- Jennifer Jones lusty? Wait, I missed something...
- Both are stunningly gorgeous women, but I have to give it to Hedy. The dimensions of her face were virtually perfect.
- I bet Hedy wanted to seduce both Judy and Lana.
- Yes Jennifer Jones lusty too!
- That's [bold]HEDLEY![/bold]
- I love this pic of Ava in her later years. She was a fun broad to the end.
- R92, yes Ava was so SPECIAL either when she was young or old.
After her death in 1990, Ava's longtime housekeeper, Carmen Vargas, and her dog, a Welsh Corgi named Morgan, were taken in by her former co-star Gregory Peck.
- Ava must have been a riot to go out bar-hopping and get absolutely shitfaced with.
- Ava: I love passion and drinking so what? Please, let me finish my cup of coffee now. I'll get wild later, you know that i will honey. Fix my hair now, i want to be enchanting again.
- I give more than a fuck for Gloria Grahame. Please comment on the post ''What do you guys know about Gloria Grahame''.
What are you waiting for?
- When I lose my temper, you can't find it ANYWHERE.
Ask Howard Hughes.
That's why Ava rules--and why her beauty is far more interesting.
- Hedy is more beautiful but Ava is sexier.
- r89, that picture hits the spot.
- I wonder if Hedy had bad teeth or some kind of dental problem because her lips made an unflattering kind of purse as she aged. Or maybe it was just bad plastic surgery around the mouth area.
- R100, what a sweetheart you must be. LOL
Here is a photo with beautiful and sexy Hedy. I love her hands...
- Ava Gardner with Artie Shaw...
I can't imagine them as husband and wife, lol!
- i want Hedy.
- Neither. It's Cilian Murphy!
- I LOVE DELILAH.....
- Lamarr was more beautiful than Gardner. Ava's face was sexy but she had a big head, it was asymmetrical.
Hedy Lamarr was stunning!
- Nobody can question her striking beauty
- I bet Ava found Hedy SEXY AND HOT!
- “American men, as a group, seem to be interested in only two things, money and breasts. It seems a very narrow outlook.” -Hedy Lamarr
- 'DeMille's theory of sexual difference was that marriage is an artificial state for women. The want to be taken, ruled, raped. That was his theory.'-Hedy Lamarr
- 'The ladder of success in Hollywood is usually a press agent, actor, director, producer, leading man; and you are a star if you sleep with each of them in that order. Crude, but true.'-Hedy Lamarr
- 'I am a very good shot. I have hunted for every kind of animal. But I would never kill an animal during mating season.'-Hedy Lamarr
- 'I appreciate subtlety. I have never enjoyed a kiss in front of the camera. There's nothing to it except not getting your lipstick smeared.'-Hedy Lamarr
- 'I have always felt that if a man gives you a solid gold key to his door he is entitled to the courtesy of a visit.'-Hedy Lamarr
- Strange to me that such a wise and witty woman as Hedy didn't make a better final marriage and enjoy a happier old age. Wasn't she arrested for shoplifting as a senior citizen?
- 'If you use your imagination, you can look at any actress and see her nude... I hope to make you use your imagination'-Hedy Lamarr
- Lol R117. Yes i think she was kleptomaniac at some period of her life. I don't know if that's a fact though or just a rumor.
'All my six husbands married me for different reasons'-Hedy Lamarr
- Beauty truly can't buy you happiness. Did any of these stunning creatures, male or female, have happy lives and relationships?
- Except that Hedy had so much more than beauty, as evidenced by the wit in those quotes, not to mention her invention and patent of the WWII gizmo.
She was a smart Jewish girl who should have known better what would make her happy.
- Lana Turner or Ava Gardner was more naughty?
I think Lana wins on that too.
- It's idiotic if Lana and Ava didn't sleep together at least once.
- We hadn't sex, but we had all that you can name 'preliminaries' and it was more than friendship
- There may be women as beautiful Ava Gardner (18 year old Elizabeth Taylor, 25 year old Grace Kelly), but no woman more beautiful that Garden was in 1953-54 when she starred in Mogombo and The Barefood Contessa
- I was stuck in traffic in the 80s when I noticed Lana in her silver Cadillac Seville in front of me. She looked very chic, with a hip blonde hairdo, collar up, smoking. This was long before she passed away and she still had that MGM glamour.
Ava was gorgeous at her best, haggard at her worst. Ava and Lana used to fool around at Frank's place in Palm Springs. They really liked each other.
Hedy Lamarr had the brains and the beauty. She could look like Vivien Leigh. She could be sophisticated and sultry. But Ava wins in the beauty dept.
- In "Ecstasy and Me" there was a lot about Hedy's sex life in Hollywood. But she claimed her ghost writers made it all up to sell books.
I sometimes wonder if she just got cold feet after it was published.
- R108 It's funny that that photo is so heavily retouched but they neglected to fix her lip line. She is still beautiful but you can clearly see the demarcation between her natural lip and her make-up.
- During filming 'Mogambo' Ava Gardner flew to London to have an abortion after she became pregnant with Frank Sinatra's child.
Maureen O'Hara was the first choice for Honey Bear Kelly, but MGM needed Ava Gardner in a movie and made John Ford cast Gardner instead, which is one of the reasons for Ford's vicious treatment towards Gardner while filming 'Mogambo'.
- [quote]Mickey pestered the hell out of Ava until she said "yes" to get him to shut up. Come to think of it Maureen O'Hara did the same thing (not with Mickey).
[quote]Maureen O'Hara was the first choice for Honey Bear Kelly, but MGM needed Ava Gardner in a movie and made John Ford cast Gardner instead, which is one of the reasons for Ford's vicious treatment towards Gardner while filming 'Mogambo'.
Was that before or after their affair?
- Cillian Murphy is prettier than either Hedy or Ava.
- Let's be honest, Ava married that half of a man Mickey Rooney because she needed a more solid connection in Hollywood...
- Ava ftw.
- If you were Clark Gable in 'Mogambo' would you choose Ava or Grace?
- Dorothy Dandridge stops by the Ride, Vaquero! set and chats with Ava Gardner and director John Farrow
- Ava: We are both sluts Grace
Grace:Tell me something i'm not aware of Ava
- [QUOTE]If you were Clark Gable in 'Mogambo' would you choose Ava or Grace?
I can't imagine being Gable in [italic]Mogambo[/italic], but I'll say Grace, as she was better looking than Ava.
- My quoting failed, darned CAP LOCKS!
- Yeah i would choose Grace too, but Ava was a pleasure too.
In the photo below:Bitches Grace and Ava in Monaco
- Ava and Grace become friends. Ava was in Kelly's marriage to that non-erotic man Prince Rainier
Photo below: Adding to the glamour of the occassion was Grace's friend Ava Gardner
- *became friends
- I will be more sarcastic though and pensively whisper the name 'Frank Sinatra' as it comes to the friendship of these two women...
Vivien Leigh vs. Merle Oberon vs. Cyd Charisse vs. Hedy Lamarr vs. Ava Gardner?
Hedy Lamarr was more seductive
- Ava was the one. Earthy, sexy, beautiful.
- If their Mystery Guest appearances on What's My Line? in the 1950s are a barometer, I don't think anyone would doubt that Ava was more beautiful, glamorous and witty than Hedy.
First up, here's Ava (1953).
She was currently married to Sinatra and about to shoot Mogambo.
- Awww, I mixed them up!
Here's Hedy on What's My Line? in 1957.
To be fair, Hedy was a few years older than Ava and this appearance is 4 years later than Ava's.
- That's HEDLEY.
- They were both beautiful, but Ava Gardner was out of this world beautiful, SO gorgeous at the height of her beauty.
- I suspect that Ava had a crush on Lana. Of course, she knew how to stand, she was a fucking movie star and a femme fatale, so she probably didn't make a serious move on Lana. They remained very good friends and they teased each other and had a lot of laughs together. Maybe they even got undressed in front of each other, but i doubt that they slept together.
On the other hand, you never can tell...