What city in North America (your welcome, Canadian DLers) would you consider to be the worst possible place for you to have to live? Explain your choice.
Camden, NJ. The reasons are obvious.
NY - lived there seven years and felt alive again once I moved away. Crowded, noisy, dirty, smelly, expensive and full of superficial, soulless people.
Los Angeles. It''s dirty, smoggy, filled with crime, high unemployment, high state debt, too many high residents, too many low residents. It''s a scummy place with scummy peeps.
well, this thread should have just been called "Fatty Flyover Rage."%0D\
Dallas would be in the Top 5, absolutely.
Goodness. There are so many! But of the major cities, Dallas is also on my top-bad list: good art museum, otherwise visually boring and generally bland. Phoenix is awful as well.
R4, more likely the "New York is better than any other city" troll. All of the " worst" and "best" city threads are started by the New York troll.Only this time, he''s disguising himself as a person with terrible grammar ( your).
Cue the Dallas-is-awful trolls. %0D\
New arts center, new opera house, one of the better US symphony halls, great local and regional theater. "visually boring and generally bland"...ever been to LA?%0D\
Barstow, CA. Our car broke down there during a road trip. It''s a desert wasteland populated with paranoid people that will do everything and anything to rip you off.
Unfortunately, my grammar slip-up was not part of some elaborate disguise. It was just me being a moron and compounding the situation by not proofreading.\
Consider me suitably abashed, R7.
Chelsea, Castro, WEHO%0D\
all gay ghettoes
A Nightmare on Elm Street
You need to make clearer rules OP. Can we live in the suburbs of said city? For example, I wouldn''t like living IN Detroit or Cleveland, but their suburbs can be lovely and each area has some great cultural strengths.\
Major metropolitan areas in which I would find little to no redeeming factors: Phoenix, Las Vegas, Houston, Dallas, Memphis, Nashville, Cincinnati, Charlotte, Oklahoma City, Buffalo, and Salt Lake City.
I was going to say Salt Lake City but I think Dallas would be worse. At least SLC has better weather. I''ve been to Dallas several times. I never want to go back. I''ll probably have to though. My sister lives there.
Oklahoma City, OK\
Salt Lake City, UT\
Fundie Christians or Mormons. Either way, a nightmare.
Atlanta -- traffic is horrible, crime is rising, the place has no charm, the people are fake, and once you leave the city limits you''re in red neck hell. Besides relatively modest house prices, why people move there I have no idea.
You people know nothing. Stay away from anywhere in Arkansas, Utah, and West Virginia. Dallas and Houston will seem like paradise after those pits.
I live about 40 minutes by train outside manhattan, I enjoy visiting, but I would never want to live there.
Vegas. Everything about it is my nightmare.
Most definitely Vegas.
Anywhere in Mississippi or Alabama.
Salt Lake City - too far from the ocean, a crazy cult religion in the majority, not enough cultural activities
I''d go with (or rather without) Oklahoma City. %0D\
Even neighboring Tulsa had a tiny bit of luster at one point, and has pockets of, if not civility, decent historic housing.%0D\
Oklahoma City I associate with fundamentalism without the fun, Southern gothic without being Southern or gothic, the west without any of the strange beauty of the west... %0D\
Anywhere in the state where R23 lives.
Mississippi and Alabama
Houston God Damned Fucking Texas Forever and Fuck that Place, Amen.
Oh Jesus, VEGAS. I just moved away from there after 8 years. EAT BLEACH, WHORES.
Yes I have two posts - I have a lot of opinions
Indianapolis. A Hoosier cesspool.
Amarillo TX, Oklahoma City, El Paso TX.\
I also don''t think I could stand the gray skies of the rust belt.
R25: You''re right, Tulsa is a lot more liberal than Oklahoma City (comparatively.) %0D\
I''ve lived in the worst parts of CA yet I agree with R12 - couldn''t do Barstow.
not slamming it just could not handle being that packed into someplace or paying those prices for such small homes.%0D\
Oh and I need trees and grass at my house not 20 blocks uptown.%0D\
[quote]You people know nothing. Stay away from anywhere in Arkansas, Utah, and West Virginia. Dallas and Houston will seem like paradise after those pits.\
I''d rather live in Little Rock than Houston.
Detroit sounds terrifying; like a city out of those Mad Max movies.
I''m thinking Camden, NJ or something similar.\
The American South has a lot of charm for me. I love the quaint towns, southern hospitality, beautiful geography, and rich heritage.\
If I had to live in LA or NYC, I would surely make the best of it.\
There''s a peacefulness to the isolation of the midwest. Some of the towns are cute. It would be a simple life.\
Vegas would be wretched for me. But somewhere like Camden would be worse...I imagine it being industrial and cold. And then one would have to deal with their people & culture...yuck.
Detroit''s fine, we just say that stuff to keep away the pretentious social snobs.
Born and raised
Miami, especially in the summer.
LA, because until 20 years ago it was one vision of the future and how it was sucking the life out of humanity. Now of course 25 cities in China and India have soared way past it so LA now is a nightmare because it is irrelevant and nasty.\
Detroit. If you''ve been there you know. Pick the Motown Museum up and move it to Las Vegas, split the art collection, and then let nature take its course.\
Houston. If you''ve been there you know. The climate, the people, the pointlessness and lack of culture and chaos and did I mention the people?
In the past I''ve said this about Nashville and Detroit and I ended up in both, so I have to be very careful about this choice or next thing you know.... In general I was most put off by El Paso because I just couldn''t fathom how I would survive there, but then someone on datalounge posted a youtube video about some married (to a female) gay guy who died of drugs, and the filmmaker followed around all the guy''s nearest and dearest in the bleakest environment I had ever seen in America. Somewhere in Broward County, Florida I think. It was so bleak because it was just overwhelming scenes of poverty, violence, and misery, just mile after mile after mile.%0D
And St. Louis. No energy except the self-devouring kind. This is a town where the natives consider Chicago an upstart competitor that will fall flat and the natural order will be restored. Nearly everyone is alcoholic or comes from an alcoholic family, and/or is a depressed Catholic. Race issues have been a simmering stink for 250 years but it''s expressed with passive-aggressive snubbing, vandalism, and coded language. If you fall in the street 10 people will tell you how you should have avoided falling but no one will call 911. The historic housing stock is tremendous - absolutely stunning and affordable - but suburbanites spurn the city and now park themselves 60 miles from the urban core because they''re afraid of - uh - you know. Why is it a nightmare? Because I''m here owing to work and it looks like I''ll be here a while.
Is Atlanta an actual city? I thought it was just a large ring of exurban sprawl.
New Orleans has to be #1. All I can think of is rot and decay and dead bodies floating in the water and rotting in abandoned houses. I seriously believe that Once you get past the French Quarter and a couple of habitable neighborhoods, the city is really gone. I would never go there again. It has the stench of death about it.%0D\
Detroit has to be a close second. I lived in Suburban Detroit for 18 years. Horrible place. It is post apocalyptic scarey. Lots of vacant, ruined burned out residential AREAS (plural). Lots of abandoned rotting warehouses and factories. No decent shopping areas. The entire city is "ghetto" supermarkets with recycled meat and "update" dairy products. No real downtown area. Just a "pseudo-entertainment district."%0D\
Gary, Indiana has to be a close 3rd. No need to describe it. Ugh!%0D\
Anyway, those are my top three. I''m sure New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, Ohio, and the Dakotas have something to contribute to this thread.
[quote]the Dakotas have something to contribute to this thread%0D\
The Dakotas would need to build a city to qualify for this thread.
The worst town in America I''ve ever been in, hands down, is Aberdeen, WA. It is singularly without charm and the most depressing place in the US: you see instantly why the music of Nirvana was so depressing and why Kurt Cobain was such a miserable person.\
The worst American city I''ve been in is Gary, IN. Other horrible American cities I''ve been to: Amarillo, TX; Midland-Odessa, TX; Fort Worth, TX; Detroit, MI; Sacramento, CA; Phoenix, AZ; Las Vegas, NV; Charlotte, NC\
I should note there are a lot of places others of you have listed or that people would often list that I think have their charms: Oklahoma City, OK; Birmingham, AL; Duluth, MN; Syracuse, NY; Buffalo, NY
[quote]The Dakotas would need to build a city to qualify for this thread.\
Metropolitan population of Fargo, ND-Moorhead, MN: 200,102\
Sioux Falls, SD: 187,093\
Bismarck, ND: 106,286\
All three are larger than either Barstow or Scranton, both posted already as choices for cities on this list.
just because you''ve never been to these places doesn''t mean they don''t exist
Winnipeg looks very grim. By down-sun, the streets are empty.... a little, cold ghost-town.
CT has some pretty bad cities.
Waco, Texas without a doubt. The most soulless, depressing shit-hole in the country. \
It is hard to believe that the same species responsible for building Venice, Paris, Rome and Florence regressed so far that it created Waco.
Washington DC. Because the people are all freaks.
With a few exceptions you are without doubt the biggest pack of vapid, ignorant, and fake queers I have ever had the displeasure of encountering. Thank God in the real world I rarely come into contact with such small minded faggots like you and I know the only reason most of you write what you write here is because your posers and use places like Datalounge to make yourselves appear much more urbane and hip than you ever were or ever will be.
r48 - Syracuse, NY is completely void of charm/ Have you ever been there?
People from Washington DC are NOT freaks. We are very normal!
Barbara Bennet''s Tampon
What is wrong with Charlotte and Cincinnati?
Why? I just visited there for the first time and saw Dave Grohl standing in line for ice cream. %0D\
I''d like to hear your reason. I do have my suspicions as to why you would choose this place.
Hey R47 - he/she meant that you only said "the Dakotas," you dorky hipster, rather than actual city names. Unclench the pearls, babe.
Las Vegas tops the list
Hate this shithole
Branson, Missouri \
Fundamentalist Republican inbreds singing kuntry music. Is there any worse combination?
So, pretty much every city is somebody''s hellhole. That''s what I''ve gathered.%0D\
I have this terrible feeling that many of the cities upthread will cease to exist at all in the next 50 years. Just as the middle-man has become obsolete in the last twenty years, I think the middle-sized city will become obsolete as well. %0D\
Syracuse is not devoid of charm it is a bit of a shithole but the Armory area is quite fun, at least the countryside and Finger Lakes are beautiful So thank you R46 for considering the long suffering cities of Upstate NY. It''s a lovely place.
Well some of these cities will come back because they have access to water. A lot of these Western and Plains areas are going to be dried up shitholes.
We all float down here.
My two week stay in Phoenix was the worst time I''ve ever spent in an American city. People are unfriendly and rude; the town is hot as hell.
St. Louis, MO. Everything you hate about the south without any of it''s charm.\
Any major Utah city because of the sterilizing, Stepford effect of Mormons (although I hear SLC has a lot of non-Mormons).
Omaha, NE. Small-minded people, excruciatingly boring town. Living there is a life sentence.
Orlando. Only interesting if you''re into amusement parks.\
Charlotte. Orlando without the amusement parks.
Any cities that aren''t:\
NYC, LA, San Fran, Chicago or New Orleans. \
My husband is on the market for academic jobs each fall so we may have to go wherever he can land a tenure-track teaching position. Last year the options were Memphis or Detroit. Talk about depressing, decrepit cities that time has forgotten. Luckily for me he didn''t get either of those and we were able to stay put. Just today the first opening of the season has posted - in Waco, Texas. It''s going to be a long fall.
For me the worst would be places that aren''t just awful but remote, so that even if you wanted to get away for a weekend it would be difficult. Places like Salt Lake, El Paso, Anchorage and Casper, Wyomming.
Have any of you been to Augusta? It''s the second-largest city in Georgia.\
Humidity to make New Orleans seem temperate, fundamentalists everywhere, downtown as dead as Detroit, a sewage treatment plant at one end of town and a papermill at the other. \
The sewage plant (open pools!) is right next to the airport, so you get the full sight and smell as soon as you arrive. The town really smells like God shit His pants.\
It''s even in the Urban Dictionary:\
[quote]A miserable, boring ass medium sized city in Georgia. Also sometimess called Augusta.\
Perpetually stuck in 1972. Extremely ghetto for a city its size. Kind of like a little Southern Detroit with more white trash. A place so boring, that teenagers still cruise the parking lots of fast food restaurants. The air smells like farts. Has some of the ugliest and fattest women anywhere. A complete shit hole. Best avoided.
Kansas City, MO. Cesspool. The whole city is dying. It''s hot humid and miserable all summer, and is full of mosquitos, fleas, chiggers, - ugh.
Who looks for tenure-track positions in August?
Prof, apparently in another field
Went to college there. Couldn''t leave fast enough. Their brochure said "Seven glorious hills, like Rome." Our brochure said "If the world ever needed an enema, they''d put it in through Worcester!"
The LA hate is so odd here. Citing crime and smog as reasons to hate LA means you haven''t been to LA in the last decade. Is it just NYCers that are saying they hate LA? Because I know when I lived there, NYCers HAD to hate LA. It was just part of that culture. That must be it.
[quote]But somewhere like Camden would be worse...I imagine it being industrial and cold. \
I don''t think you have quite the right idea about Camden.
Another vote for St. Louis.%0D\
St. Louis City and St. Louis County are two, entirely separate political entities. People in the county have always trashed the city because of the huge amount of abandonment (as a percentage, St. Louis has lost far more of its population than any other American city) and urban blight (code for we hate the coloreds). Now, large swaths of north St. Louis county are blighted, the airport is vastly underused and 3/4 empty, and what were two of Missouri''s largest shopping malls are now almost totally abandoned (Jamestown and Northwest Plaza). %0D\
The amazing thing about St. Louis is the "let''s stick our heads in the sand and pretend our problems don''t exist" attitude and the "at least we aren''t Detroit or Cleveland" complacency. Little do these yokels realize that both Detroit and Cleveland at least have functioning airports where you can get a direct flight to just about anyplace in the world.
Camden lost most of its industry decades ago and now looks like this:
[quote]Who looks for tenure-track positions in August?\
Political scientists, for one. Their national convention (where people get interviewed) is in late August-early September.
Tampa fucking Florida.%0D\
God fuckin awful. You can actally smell death there. The average age is 90. No shoping. No nightlife.%0D\
The thickest section of the paper is the Obits. The Depends isle at the market always had a cart jam... q-tips driving on the freeway - going 30. %0D\
I don''t know anyone who likes Charlotte.
I like Orlando, KC, & St. Louis.\
The bungalows in downtown Orlando have character. The oak trees are quite beautiful. They have Lake Eola plus a few other nice lakes.\
The Nelson Museum in KC is great for a mid-sized city. Shopping on the Plaza isn''t as grand as it once was, sure, but the Art Institute & symphony stand the test of time.\
I haven''t spent as much time in STL, but the short times I was there were thoroughly enjoyable.\
I guess it depends on what one is looking for in a city.
It''s charming that r11 is against both immigrants AND racism.
I too would like to put a word in for Kansas City. It has some very beautiful residential neighborhoods, and some fine public buildings. Nothing could be worse than west Texas!
I thought the same thing, R86. Do you suppose the poster thinks that because immigrants are actual people whereas racism is a concept, despising immigrants is not being racist?
You know KC is not bad. It''s a pretty cool mid-western city. Probably ranks behind Minneapolis for arts and culture, but I thought it would be dreadful and was pleasantly surprised.
The one thing I will say for a lot of rust belt cities, which are pretty dumpy on the whole, is that they have infrastructure. Everything has been planned for the population for the most part and they have some character unlike a lot of the Sunbelt wastelands.
I appreciate the poster who explained why St. Louis is his nightmare city. He actually lives there. I get the feeling that a lot of people haven''t even been to some of the cities they''re nominating. "Oklahoma City because it''s in super-religious Oklahoma" doesn''t tell us much. Anyone could come up with that reason, even if they had never been there. The specifics are much more interesting.
I have been to Dallas many times for business and to visit friends over the years.\
No, I have never lived there. I don''t have to live there to form this opinion: it sucks, for all the reasons listed by various poster up thread.\
Same as I don''t need to move to Gary or Detroit to know they suck.
After 7 years in LA I moved back to LV. LA ate me alive. LV is home to me.
Centralia, PA is the worst city hands down. So bad everybody had to evacuate - tho there are a few that stayed behind.
St. Louis is the largest city in the United States from which you cannot get a direct flight to Europe (or any other international destination, including Canada).%0D\
Speaks volumes about the people and the economy of the place.
Montreal. The people there are haughty and rude.
I don''t mean all immigrants. I mean the illegal immigrants in LA contributing to the gang and crime issues. I don''t think that''s racist.
New York, Boston and Chicago incorporated their suburbs as they grew, thus keeping all tax revenue in the city. Detroit and L.A. didn''t and got poorer and more decrepit as their suburbs got nicer and richer.
LA is like a third world country. Many people defending LA can''t even afford to live there properly. They''re flyovers who feel like living in LA gives them a sense of self-worth. It''s all they have at an attempt to feeling special. They live in crappy apartments, drive crappy cars, or worse, they finance or lease crappy cars, and don''t have a dime in the bank. Probably late twenties-early thirties still thinking they''re going to "make it" in the biz. A tragic species.
R96, I''ve been to Montreal over a dozen times and have met one rude person. Something you''re doing is wrong.
No nominations for cities in Mexico? It is in North America, too. (Too polite to add ..you geographically challenged gringos.)
I agree r99.
Washington DC is like a third world country too.%0D\
I wonder which is more third world - Los Angeles or Washington DC?%0D\
After living in Washington DC for 5 years, I found it to be a cesspool.
Oklahoma City by a mile. \
The closed-minded fundies speak for themselves, but more to the point the City is a disaster. Everything looks dirty because of the red clay dust, and there''s a total lack of zoning, so you see a strip club next to a bodyshop next to a church, and you spend your life behind an endless collection of pickup trucks with trashy ignorant bumper stickers.
Defensive much, R100? Get back to us when you''re less of a solipsist.
Everyone Has Different Experiences
I''d like to nominate Kentucky as a whole state, since every city I lived in there over the course of 20 years was an absolute hell hole. The weather is awful and so are the people. Never in my life have I been to a place more full of ignorant, racist, homophobic people in my life. I went to school with people who proudly flew confederate flags, hung nooses from the trees in their front yard and my bus driver was proudly married to her first cousin. Sadly, I''m not making this up. They also still hold KKK meetings in Louisville near city hall from what I hear. That place can implode and fall into the center of the earth for all I care.
My father''s side of the family moved from Italy to Camden in the 1910s.%0D\
Once when I was a kid, we visted the remaining relatives who didn''t move up to northern NJ, and I found the city to be a creepy, desolate place. And that was back in the 1960s.%0D\
I haven''t been to the area since, but the visit left an indelible mark on me.
R70, Memphis is definitely preferable to Detroit. It''s actually quite nice.
So what do DLers think of the following cities:\
R109: Louisville has an amazing stock of historic houses.
R109 I lived in Louisville for several years. Do. Not. Do. It. They do have several nice historic houses as R110 mentions, but nothing breathtaking... just a bunch of hundred year old houses crammed together (not the sprawling mansions of the real south). \
There''s no nightlife there, it''s not gay friendly, not culturally diverse, very little to do in general. I know quite a few people who still live there (old high school classmates) and the ones who love it are the repug fraus who shop at Walmart that everyone loves to hate. \
The only thing that city has "goin on" for it is the derby. The residents get all worked up and excited over the one day a year some celebrities come to their town. It''s quite a joke.
Disgusta (aka Augusta, GA) is a God-forsaken hell hole full of christian fundamentalists. In that shit hole, they are still trying to convert Catholics and still write letters to the editor in the local paper about "The War of Southern Independence/Northern Aggression", as they call it, that you''d still think it was 1865.. well by the looks if the town, you''d think it still was. Everyone is fat, and is missing half their teeth. Lots of mean drugs, ghetto thugs, and just human debris in all forms.
How many of these per week are there going to be?
Atlanta - worse than Detroit
New York City...if Datalounge represents the NYC gay attitude, I''d rather live in Buffalo.
Buying shovels and snowboots as I type
Anywhere in Utah. Basically a theocracy right here in America. Pain in the ass to buy alcohol and unless you are Mormon you will not succeed well in business. They only care for their own.
Houston. I just can''t take the heat and humidity, it''s like nothing I ever experienced before. It makes me very ill and dizzy.
R117 I live in Houston and, yes, the summers are horrible but the last time I went to New Orleans I almost passed out in the street from their heat and humidity. Worse than Houston if you can believe it.
Las FUCKIN Vegas -a wasteland of stucco homes! Every resident wants to be a bartender, valet, or cocktail waitress instead of going to college. No matter what locals say, everything does revolve around the strip.
R118, I should have added I''ve only been to Houston during the summer. I should visit another time; I have friends there. Yes, NO is another place that I can''t visit May-Sept.
In Canada, anywhere between Calgary and Winnipeg. Including Calgary and Winnipeg.
Indianapolis, for me. I stayed for a round of interviews that ended up feeling very much like a vertical marketing opportunity.\
The whole city felt like a dying office park. I''ve lived in much poorer areas and nothing was as soul crushing as Indianapolis.
New York City. Too many people, too congested with cars and buildings and attitude.
Agree with several others in this thread:%0D\
NYC is tops, with LA being second. Chicago and Atlanta not far behind. Then pretty much any northern ice-bound city, like Fargo or Buffalo.%0D\
Augusta, GA. Or as I call it Disgusta. Wonder why CBS never shows you what''s outside the Augusta National golf course during their Master''s coverage? A tsunami would probably make improvements to the city. Much of it needs to be pressure washed or bull dozed. The downtown looks like some creepy backlot for a zombie horror film. Never have I seen so many Waffle Houses crammed into one place. Maybe that''s why the people are so fat. Georgia should give the city to South carolina as a gag gift, but even SC wouldn''t want it. People are uneducated (can barely speak recognizable English.. I can understand the characters in Trainspotting better). One of the most intolerant populations I have ever encountered. Truly a miserable place.
The Truth Be Known
Hands down - Chicago, IL. One of the absolute worst cities in the world.\
Perhaps Emmanuel can change things but he seems to be in the Daly mold.\
There''s even several websites devoted to how horrible Chicago is.\
The only ones who like are those who have never been out of the Midwest.
Definitely Disgusta, Georgia. I was there for all of 4 hours and that was WAY too long. The smell of the place makes you want to vomit. Paper Mill, Sewage, and lord knows what else stinks up the whole town. Plus, there was just nothing there worth seeing.
No Name City
Memphis has some of the highest crime rankings in the nation. It also has one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation.\
Their school system is one of the worse in the nation and is about to be taken over by the state. It has an almost billion dollar budget and yet most of the schoolchildren haven''t so much as books. \
I just could never live there at all.
Chicago rocks! People who "hate" it are not happy ANYWHERE.
Thank god for r127! I was so worried that the ''anti-Chicago troll'' had left us!\
P.S. I used to love to hate all your old threads. Come back!
I like Chicago. It''s a great city. Food is fantastic. people are kinda fat but that''s ok. Now I also agree with the Augusta, GA nomination. I was stationed there years ago when I was in the army. Total shit hole. Not much else to say about it other than I am glad I don''t live there.
Why are Chicagoans fat but New Yorkers are thin?
r134 Rents are so high, they can''t afford to eat.
Las Vegas. terrible place to live.
Agree with Aberdeen, WA. Yes, it''s a town and not a city but incredibly bleak, gray and depressing.\
I like LA, but downtown is depressing because it looks like it was quite beautiful at one time.
Don''t want psychopathic war criminals for neighbors.
There is a nice old restored movie house downtown and the people try so hard to make it not horrible, but it's just... ugh.%0D
First of all, there's the cat urine smell from the agribusiness plants that permeates everything and makes it so you can't even enjoy their one nice bit of nature on the lake because you're downwind from it. And these plants are so secretive and corrupt they made a movie about one of them (ADM) and their price fixing scandal with "The Informant!".%0D
There's the endless parade of abandoned factories that have left thanks to our post-NAFTA economy and tied to that an endless parade of abandoned homes like a mini-Detroit where at least 20,000 people in what was a 100,000+ person city have left in the last 20 years or so.%0D
There's no direct train to Chicago and no large university (just one private religious college) around to ensure its residents have access to any sort of culture or intellectual basis.%0D
The people there are so earnest about trying to sell themselves on a comeback that they come up with things like the slogan "Decatur... we like it here!" and at the same time the anti-violence folks have to put up billboards on the main drag through town reminding folks not to shoot each other.%0D
That said... the one good thing about the place is that it's so isolated that it does seem a place where small business has a better chance of thriving because few of the big chain stores bother to set up shop there in what they see as a dying market.
Riverside, CA is another shit hole.
Is there a cold version of Los Angeles somewhere? There.
Oh. My. God. R140, you are spot on. \
I moved here a couple of years ago and soon came to the realization that I simply cannot spend the rest of my life here. Ugh.\
I''ve never witnessed so many people comfortable in their ignorance.\
I''m outta here in five years.
Atlanta, GA: Camden, NJ -By-The-Chattahoochee River
Bring ya gole teefs, ya''herd?!
r144 = too racist to get by in Atlanta.
that''s saying something
why five years r143?%0D\
I landed there out of college because I didn''t want to leave the state but man... it was just so soul-crushing I had to get out after about 3 years on the dot.%0D\
I''m in Chicago now though... so I guess I''m just living someone else''s nightmare.
Yesterday, a DL poster referred to a Black man as a "dinge." It was in the Subject Heading for the thread. I was shocked, but, sadly, not surprised, because:\
DataLounge continues to encourage, and indeed to celebrate, the use of degrading and derogatory language about women, and people who hate women are likely inclined to be haters of all kinds of folks.\
Misogyny is rampant on DL; racism clearly vibrates just below the surface of many DL posts.\
Queers who demean and abuse Black people and women are queers who will never win equal rights; who will never learn to accept themselves as individuals; who will never be able to reach out to other minority groups in order to fight the racism and sexism and classism and misogyny and homophobia that have lately been amplified by the Republican Party and are all around us; who will never be able to respect anyone, including themselves.\
Stop the violence against women. It''s killing us.
R147, you don''t know who any dataloungers are. The person who started that thread could well by a paid republican operative stirring up the minorities against each other. For that matter, you might be one too. In fact, you are almost certainly just that.
Lol. I moved here from Chicago, R146. I did it for career and familial reasons; everything should be in place in five years.
I think I found the nightmare city (cities?) for most DL''ers. In Shreveport, LA their favorite restaurant is Olive Garden and favorite store is Sam''s Club.\
Page through the other cities to see some other gems like Applebees and Wal Mart!
The only normal guy I''ve ever dated and his hot wife live there.
Not a major city but it is where all the do-do birds from small town New Hampshire go to live "in the big city"\
Ugly, boring, devoid of any charm or history, simply a non entity like the entire state of New Hampshire.
1. Burlington, Ontario: Home of Canada's Christian Broadcasting Network who broadcast the the anti-gay show "100 Huntley Street" and The Michael Coren Show, a long time anti-gay TV personality.
2. London, Ontario: Where anti-gay Mayor Diane Haskall refused to allow Gay Pride and instructed her Police Chief (Julian Fantino) to focus his efforts on harassing Gay men in the area, as a way to turn them away from the city.
3. Surrey, BC: The City Council has a long history of anti-gay initiatives, in the last 10 years, including removing all Gay books from the public Libraries, prohibiting Gay teachers from being hired and banning the rainbow flags from being shown in windows downtown. Several citizens this year complained to the city council that Gays are deviant and should not be allowed "special rights". It is the current hub of anti-gay Canada.
4. Truro, Nova Scotia: The Major refused to allow a Gay Pride ceremony in a city park in 2007. He said it would be like flying a flag for Pedophiles.
Salt Lake Shitty, UT wins.
DC and NYC do not belong on this list.\
I do agree with Rehoboth Beach: a ghetto that charges $700 psf.\
disgusting since it''s A- trash (since they don''t realize they''re trash).\
And Miami, also, does not belong on this list. For South Beach alone.
Lived there for 6 years for a job. It''s very close to what I would imagine hell would be. Horrid weather at least 90+ degrees with 90% humididty April thru November, no culture, no intelligence, people who are ugly thru and thru. Only good thing was the food.
Any city in the desert (Phoenix, Las Vegas, Salt Lake), the Great Plains (Omaha, OKC, Wichita), or Deep South excluding Atlanta and maybe New Orleans. Also, those crazy cities in the California interior.
[quote]New York, Boston and Chicago incorporated their suburbs as they grew, thus keeping all tax revenue in the city. Detroit and L.A. didn''t and got poorer and more decrepit as their suburbs got nicer and richer.\
Does your brain touch the top of your spinal cord? Los Angeles is infamous for ruthlessly annexing the San Fernando valley suburbs. Seriously, have you not seen "Chinatown"?\
Additionally, Boston DID NOT succeed in incorporating it''s wealthy suburbs into the city - that''s why it''s only about forty square miles, smaller than the Walt Disney World resort. Boston is TINY!
Downtown Los Angeles hands down. It''s like the Camden NJ of the west R1.
Anywhere from Oklahoma to Florida because it''s extremely violent towards gays.
Um R162 get with this millennium.
r170 what a curious post. Most Angelenos would say East L.A. or Compton. Downtown L.A.? Really? It''s just your typical downtown. It''s quite clean. The only thing I hate about downtown is there''s absolutely no free parking anymore.
Baker, California. The zombie apocolypse starts there.
Damn, 174 posts and no one has mentioned the boring and bland city that is Pittsburgh!
Reluctant Steeler Fan
Olivehurst, Ca, just north of Sacramento. Meth and wellfare trash capital of California.
Denver. It''s filled with people who couldn''t/can''t make it in a real city. And it shows.
But the art scene. THE ART SCENE!!!
LA. Feel like everything and everyone there is fake and willing to stab you in the back to get ahead. \
I''ll take New York, where at least people have the dignity to punch you in the face.
R173, I''ve never been to Compton or East LA. I lived very briefly in downtown LA - it''s good for 2 square blocks and no more. The rest of it is very seedy, I left asap for a better area.\
Sorry, I find nothing desirable about downtown LA. It''s also not your typical downtown (in relation to other cities). It''s like a 3rd world country in downtown LA.
then I can only assume that you''ve never lived in a third world country, r170/r179.
I have not R180, but I''ve been to Tijuana at the border - and the resemblance to downtown LA is amazing.
Any city with more than 20% black population. Ghetto, crime like drugs, rape or violence is sure to follow.
Toronto, aka "Calcutta North"
R179 you''re far too kind.I live in one of the beach cities not far from L.A. L.A. is like a malignant collection of useless 3rd world suburbs forming the world''s ugliest refugee camp.
the whole damn I.E. .... in fact most southern California .... the I.E. is full of failed businesses, ghetto high-lifers ... and my all time favorite .... tweekers....and they are EVERYWHERE.... I have lived in many states and areas... yeah Atlanta has crappy traffic but just outside of the city there are nice areas... l.a. will never be what it once was ...Seattle is overall nice if you can deal with the constant marine layer.... Vegas depends on your own self discipline ...Tampa...ughh... not the best... better love humidity ... but every place I''ve been looks like a little slice of heaven compared to the giant toilet I.E. ...... Riverside San bernardino ...hemet ..throw the high desert in there too......I think the earth forgot to flush its toilet.
me myself and i
I think Phoenix would be a nightmare.
I second Augusta (aka Disgusta), GA. It is hot and sticky shit hole supreme. Crappy restaurants, Dead downtown, corrupt government, and ugly fat intolerant people. People are so fat there are actually fights over who gets to use the scooters in the Wal-marts. It's a one mall town too. Trash is everywhere. Most violent city I have ever lived in. Nasty, Nasty, Nasty!
Moore Oklahoma, duh.
I love R150, !51 and 164. This thread has me laughing.
All horrid places.
My ex (a Brit) had these two books about horrible towns in England.
We need this for America.
R104 must be experiencing a bout of schadenfreude today.
We should have qualifiers here. Obviously none of us would move to Camden, NJ. Even if you worked for Campbells Soup or whatever, you would live in Philly or someplace else. I also have never met anyone who had to move to Centralia, PA. C'mon, the coal mines aren't recruiting these days.
L.A. All that smog, traffic, heat, sunshine and faux-tropical desert. And the huge chasm between the Haves and the Havenots. Ugly.