Being Gay In The Slavic Countries

The Czech Republic (to a lessor extent Slovakia) and some parts of Hungary are gay friendly that is it. Stick to the major cities only.

Poland is very homophobic, even Poles that immigrated here, are still very homophobic.

Romania and Bulgaria are still 3rd world countries with the associated religious craziness and prejudice.

Croatians are not that bad, compared to Poles, but Bosnians - no - danger, danger. Serbs are a mixed bunch, the ones associated with the Serbian Orthodox church are just as bad as Greek Orthodox.

Russia is pretty terrible for gays too right? I keep seeing stories about the gay pride in Moscow that either the mayor or the police cancel it, or it goes ahead and the marchers get attacked by skinheads with the police watching like they're Bull Connor in 60s Alabama.

It's really sad.

How do we change these people? I guess it's just the long, slow process of being open about who we are, and gradually people come to see we're not the demons we're said to be.

I admire the courage of out gays in all the countries where it's fucked up.

Slovenia is preparing legislation for full gay marriage, OP.

Slovenia is often overlooked because it's a small country closer to Austria & Italy than the Czech Republic. But, it's one of the few relatively enlightened countries in Eastern Europe. Its capital, Ljubljana, is often mentioned with Prague and Krakow as one of the best destination in that part of the world.

According to the guy who owns Bel Ami, there are no gay men in the Eastern Block. So maybe they are aren't pro-gay because homosexuality is still very alien to them.

Russia, even though it is not Slavic (that was the Ukraine no longer part of Russia) is a very violent culture. For women and gays. Having said that, the communist party used to lure gay scientists from the west, with government supplied house boys.

Communism officially, never had a problem with it, but the Russian Orthodox Church still had power in this area.

[quote]Russia, even though it is not Slavic (that was the Ukraine no longer part of Russia) Ethnic Russians are Slavic indeed.

"I admire the courage of out gays in all the countries where it's fucked up."

I get what you're saying, but where isn't it fucked up? In what country are gays and lesbians legally and sicially treated as equal to their straight brothers and sisters? I admire out gays in every country.

Last year, I worked with a young Romanian guy; he was extremely homophobic. And growing up, my parents had friends who were Croatian and they were also homophobic.

You can't spit in Prague without hitting a gay porn actor!

I agree with you r8, I admire all out people everywhere. I guess I was trying to say I especially admire out people in countries like Poland where the threat of violence for people who are out is especially high.

"Poland is very homophobic, even Poles that immigrated here, are still very homophobic."

I live in Greenpoint, Brooklyn - which is VERY Polish catholic - and to say that most of them are utter neanderthals is an understatement. In fact, my apartment building, like many in the area, is Polish owned and I have to be very under-the-radar about being gay. Gay folk being harassed by their Polish landlords until they just pack up and leave is not an uncommon tale around these parts. And like many immigrants who make a decent life for themselves here, Poles are knee-jerk Republicans. The Polish owned deli across the street from me has these "funny" dollar bills posted near the register with pics of Kerry picking his nose and Clinton wiping his mouth, holding a cigar. The Clinton one says "Fornicator In Chief." I'm surprised they don't have one featuring Obama chowing down on a piece of watermelon.

If shit like this is any indication, I can totally understand why they are considered the retarded stepchildren of Europe. I mean, even their former President - he puts himself and his WHOLE FUCKING CABINET on one plane? What an idiot.

A very cute young man from the Czech Republic manages a pancake house in a local resort town. He is very flirty. I asked him if he was gay and he said, no he loved everyone, men and women, and most young men in his home country feel the same.

What is it about the Orthodox church? That church is almost African-level vicious to gays. Doesn't matter whether Slav (Russian/Serb/Bulgarian etc), Latin (Romanian), or Greek, those are bar none the most hateful countries in Europe. %0D %0D Catholic countries are almost as bad (Poland, Croatia), unless the Catholic church was in cahoots with an oppressive former regime (Spain, Portugal, etc) and therefore doesn't have any moral high ground to stand on. I really hope that marriage equality goes through in Slovenia, but it has been delayed multiple times already and I wonder if something will get in the way.

In Toronto the 3 largest immigrant populations are the #1 Polish, #2 Chinese and #3 Jamaican.

Guess which three areas are the most dangerous for gays in Toronto?

[quote]I really hope that marriage equality goes through in Slovenia, but it has been delayed multiple times already and I wonder if something will get in the way.

Hopefully it goes forward when the government gets back from the break. They have to get this to work soon, there won't be any better chance in near future.

#1) "Gay" as an identity, doesn't really exist. #2) Sex between men, isn't really seen as a big deal here. #3) The more that gays from the west demand that guys here choose an identity, the more they choose "straight" and refuse to do gay porn.

Are you in Slovenia/nearby area, r16? I'm just familiar with it through Wikipedia. I thought I read somewhere that a group opposing marriage equality planned on trying to get a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage there even if the legislature passed it. Slovenia would be huge as the first Eastern European country with equal marriage.

The Greeks are slavs, too...

Oh Jesus, r19...

The Greeks are NOT Slavs, r19, and neither are the Hungarians, r1.

While homophobia exists in some quarters in every society, I think that the Scandinavian countries, The Netherlands, Iceland and Canada have done a good job of ensuring the equal treatment of gays and lesbians under the law, R8.

Yes, the Greeks of today are ethnic Slavs. There was an invasion in the 6th-7th centuries and almost all of Greece (except Albania) was over-run by Slavs.

[quote] I thought I read somewhere that a group opposing marriage equality planned on trying to get a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage there even if the legislature passed it.

That would never pass any legislation. They want to try (and definitely will, if the law passes) to get a referendum to throw out this 'Family Law' (this package of family laws that also includes equality for gay unions, allows adoption etc). Which I'm sad to say, they would win right now. But the thing is, the initiative will most likely get thrown out by the constitutional court.

Btw, Slovenian 'marriage' is actually civil union (church weddings are performed but have no legal weight) and couples living together for a certain time have same rights as married ones. So, if this passes, the act of a wedding would be a moot point, since same-sex couples could get same rights just by living together.

But yes, it would be a huge deal. It almost happened about six years ago, but the procedure was too slow and the government changed. So it's important that it passes now, because we need this specific government for it and it doesn't look like they'll win two years from now. Everything needs to happen before the government changes - law passing, the objections, the overturn of objections. That's why the speed is essential.

See how far you get telling any Greek that, r23.

A-ha. Muchas gracias, r24. It must have then referendum that I read about. As knowledgeable as you are, you should be editing the Wiki page.

There was a great deal of movement across the Aegean Sea in Byzantine and Ottoman times, plus a big population exchange in the 20's - Muslims(who identified as Turks) went East, and Christians(who identified as Greeks) from Asia Minor went West. Things are really mixed up genetically in Greece now, but they are not the genetic heirs of the ancient Greeks.

Exit the thread, Dr. Mengele has arrived! Everybody sing! Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles!

No, I am a Byzantinist, if you know what that is.

You're thinking of Macedonia, r23.

You sound like the nationalist asshole from the "Greek family" thread.

So what happened to the ancient Greeks? It seems like that population stayed stable through the period it was colonized by Rome, then made the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire, which by the middle ages had become the Byzantine Empire...those folks seemed to remain the same after they were subjugated into the Ottoman Empire. Certainly they clung to their Christian faith and Greek nationalism.%0D %0D When did they all magically turn into Slavs?

Thanks for the link, r26!

Pretty much all main points are there, but there's so much background that some things are really hard to explain. Like how much of a let-down the 'registered partnership' was.

Previously to that they were working on a law to get more rights for gay couples for years, making compromises, polishing it and putting it in front of the parliament and then the new rightist government took over they just threw all that out and then a extremely right-wing Minister of Family Affairs just pasted some rules together in a week or so, threw it in the parliament and it got accepted, against the wishes of practically everyone involved.

Most of those people are still in politics, still in the parliament. I admire those pushing the law forward (not just because I think it's a right and a good law), but because they are practically throwing themselves to lions. It takes nerves of steel.

I can see some central european Slavic nations following (NOT Poland), but the rest of the Balkans? No, not for a long time.

No, I am not that person. The Slavs overran the entire peninsula - except for Albania, not just Macedonia. This is an established fact.

Invasions in the the 6th century were followed more in the 7th. The peninsula was virtually depopulated at one point and the Slavs were fleeing the Avars. We are talking huge numbers here.

When Poland moved from Communist rule to their present government, did treatment of gays change much one way or the other?

does this look Slavic?

r33 - That would explain why there are some Greeks who are blond and blue-eyed.

It sort of beggars blief that certain anti-gay immigrants can come to SOMEONE ELSE'S country and start bullying and knocking around the native born and bred gays effectively making areas of THEIR city that THEIR gay taxes pay for, no go zones.%0D %0D And even more bizarre, the same anti-gay immigrants have the right to MARRY in the same city and country, by virtue of being straight. The homophobic asshole/bully part doesn't deny them their right to marry in somebody else's country.%0D %0D And still Obama sits impassively and lets it happen. %0D %0D

OK, basically everything I know about Slovenia, I learned from Atomik Harmonik, but I have heard that the country in general can be very difficult for Gays. Yes, there are pro-Gay laws on the books, but getting them enforced is an entirely different matter, particularly if you are out of the capitol city. Is this not true?

The Greek Royal family came from Denmark and they married a lot of Germans/Dutch, etc.

The Greek Royal House is not Greek at all. They are Danish/Russian/German.

The Greeks of Greece today are primarily acculturated Slavs. No different from someone in a flyover state moving to NYC and becoming a New Yorker. This is why NOBODY knows how to authentically pronounce ANCIENT Greek.

What would it take for Russia, to choose just one example, to become more gay-friendly?

there's a lot of master and slav action.

Dear r31,

Throughout history, you must always distinguish between cases where an invading ethnic group both CONQUERS and OVERPOPULATES or EXPELS an indigenous ethnic group, versus when an invading ethnic group merely COLONIZES an indigenous ethnic group and rules as ELITE OVERLORDS.

Alexander the Great and his core armies were Greek, and they conquered most of the known world in the 4th century B.C.E.

But they never had enough Greek citizens to SETTLE and OVERPOPULATE the vast lands their nobility ruled. Most of Alexander's territory was COLONIAL OVERLORDSHIP.

At the height of Roman times, ethnically Greek people most strongly had CITIZEN MAJORITIES on the Greek peninsula, surrounding islands like Crete and the Cyclades and Anatolia (Asia Minor). Basically Greek ethnic dominance spread to the areas surrounding the Aegean Sea.

That ethnic population expansion was gradually beaten back by late Roman era plagues, followed by invading Arabs, Persians, Turks and Mongols in Medieval times, all of whom tried and/or succeeded to conquer Asia Minor.

But only the Turks had enough settlers to eventually both conquer and OVERPOPULATE Asia Minor from the Greeks. They didn't complete the task until 1453 A.D., when the Turks finally conquered Constantinople and the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) fell.

The Ottomans eventually COLONIZED mainland Greece, as well, but ruling as ELITE OVERLORDS, not overpopulating the peninsula. They forced the Greeks who remained Christian to pay heavy taxes for it and submit to second-class citizenship, which most of them did.

WRONG, r33.

The Greeks have ALWAYS maintained the ethnic majority of the population on the Greek peninsula since before the BRONZE AGE.

Slavs managed to overrun bits and pieces like Albania or Macedonia in the Balkans, but they NEVER got the peninsula or Southern, Greek heartland.

FALSE r41!

You're blatantly libeling the Greek people.

The national language on the peninsula is GREEK, they don't speak Slavic.

That's how it's ALWAYS been, since before the BRONZE AGE, on most of the peninsula.

You probably ARE the nationalist, racist fucktard from the "Greek Family" thread.

You need to start linking proof that Greeks are Slavs. Here's some disproof:

That's what is making this whole thread derail ridiculous, r46. Modern Greek is a hell of a lot closer to Ancient Greek then Modern English is to Old English. When a foreign group overpowers and colonizes another, they change it permanently. That's why Egyptians and Iraqis today speak Arabic and not (except for tiny pockets) the descendant of what the Pharaohs spoke or Aramaic. %0D %0D Slavs overran Macedonia and Bulgaria, not Greece itself. BTW Albanians are not Slavs either. They are believed to be the descendants of they ancient Illyrian culture.

[quote]Slavs overran Macedonia and Bulgaria, not Greece itself. BTW Albanians are not Slavs either. They are believed to be the descendants of they ancient Illyrian culture.%0D %0D In the sixth century, the Slavs penetrated Illyria, Thrace, Macedonia, and Greece. The Slavs settled lands as far as Peloponnesus and the Aegean islands, and some of the Slavic tribes in Greece remained unconquered for centuries.

[quote]OK, basically everything I know about Slovenia, I learned from Atomik Harmonik, but I have heard that the country in general can be very difficult for Gays. Yes, there are pro-Gay laws on the books, but getting them enforced is an entirely different matter, particularly if you are out of the capitol city. Is this not true?

Oh, god, please no AH! Then you've seen (almost) the worst already. Although it's not that much off if you want to get the feel of the country.

It can be difficult for gays and for other minorities (and for women, which are not minority, but still...). Probably the worst for gays, because you have to be pretty far right to put down ethnic or national minorities (or something like this) - sure there's lots of ignorance, but not that much 'real' hatred. Just small vocal minority (Roma fare the worst in that aspect).

Then it's a bit more 'in fashion' to put down women (that are not the traditional wife/mother - though they don't need to be married to their - male - partner).

Absolutely the worst is for gay people (lesbians are just 'icky' and in need of 'a real man', but gay men are all 'a bunch of unnatural perverts who are just waiting to jump on the nearest kid'). Just being considered strange and different is actually on the liberal part of the spectrum here (most people fall in this category, I think - the sad thing is, the youth is getting worse, not better). But on the other hand - this is the stereotype. It's much easier to get along with people on one-on-one basis (even if they consider you weird).

It's not that much different in the capitol and in smaller towns (except for certain specific places). It usually goes along party lines, as one would expect. Which can also be seen if you look at those pushing the law forward - it's definitely not something that would get them more votes.

But the new family code would change so much - not instantly, not 100%, but it's a way to push things ahead, not just so we can get rights that are written in the law, but for a general acceptance. There are just so few examples that gay is OK here. Small village and all that, I suppose. But I would still have it much worse if I was born 300 km souther in another country.

My thread does not exist.

slavian people are: russians, ucrainians, belorussians (eastern slavs) polish, slovakian, czech, slovenian (western slavs) bulgarian, serbo-croatian - and all the former countries of Jugoslavija, and macedonians (southern slavs)

greeks are greeks; romanians are latin; hungarians are ugro-finns. amen.

Maybe polish people in USA are homophobic. I don't know. But polish people in Poland are more tolerant then several years ago. One of parliament member is openly gay, and other is a transsexual. In bigger polish city like Krakow or Wroclaw gay can holding their hands and kiss each other. People mostly don't react. And every polish town has gay clubs or gay friendly hotels. So, feel invited ;)

R1 and R3 said it all.

I've been in Russia & Poland, and while it is absolutely scary to be gay in those countries, the gays are a lot more visible there than I expected. And if you watch Russian TV you see folks who are obviously gay all the time. They are about 40 years behind us but I do think they will eventually catch up with us- in about 15 or 20 years. They are not so isolated or unaware of changes in the West, and under the surface things are changing.

But for now, hardly any sane person there is openly gay. It can still ruin you there to be out.

R42, there are some big celebrities in Russia who are speaking out for gays, like Sergey Lazarev. And Russian TV shows are showing some obviously gay people... They can even see some gay-themed movies on TV there sometimes. But change is coming slow in Russia. It's too bad they don't have a San Francisco-like city to set an example of a gay-friendly city. St. Petersburg passed a law forbidding public speech "promoting" gay people, and Moscow cops bash everyone who tries to have a gay pride parade or gathering. So there may never be a "San Francisco" for Russia.

"the Slavs penetrated Illyria"

God, that's hot!

[quote]serbo-croatian

Is that a dig at the Croats or the Serbs?

Poland is the "Jamaica of Europe" regarding Gays.

The Greeks of today bear no physical resemblance to the Slavic peoples of Eastern Europe - whose physiognomy is similar, from Poland to Macedonia and from Latvia to Montenegro.

If there ever was a Slavic influx into mainland Greece, it was absorbed pretty quickly, and did not manage to 'change' or 'replace' ancient Greeks at all.

The comparison with Egypt and Iraq is an apt one. If an ethnicity is 'over', its language is over as well.

The Byzantinist upthread might want to look into his education, because he's really full of sh*t.

The academic world does not regard Greece as a Slavic nation, culture or ethnicity. It is so un-slavic that Truman insisted it become a part of Western Europe, during the rollback period in the Cold War - even though geographically, it isn't in Western Europe.

I love it when historians and history buffs get in a tizzy at DL. We all end up learning a few things.

Slovenia? Isn't that the country that gave us Perpetuum Jazzile. Looks pretty gay to me.

Speaking of Slovenia, does anyone know know anything about Jani Pavec from Atomik Harmonik? I met him recently and could not figure out if he was "Gay or European".

Responding to a few comments about the orthodox church. I grew up in an Orthodox church. Syrian orthodox. NOTHING was ever said about homosexuality. NOTHING. I never once got the impression that the church was against it. Ergo, I believe that those who are orthodox and homophobic are that way because of their cultural norm, and not because their church condemns it. Maybe my church was more liberal than most -- it was in Boston, after all -- but I just never felt that my church was anti-gay.

[R60] Unlike this Bosnian singer who insists he is entirely heterosexual.

I don't agree with You guys. I'm from Poland, I'm gay, and I did my coming out two years ago. My friends was mostly homophobic, you know, conservatives families etc. But now it's very good, they accept this. I'm 20 and most of young people like gays people, they are like "oh, your gay, that's cool". People after 40 are less tolerant. But finally, I know several gays, one of them looks like woman, and they never had any problem with other people because of their sexual orientation. Poland change with every year, now it's not so catholic country like in '90s. Only elderly conservatives people (99% of retiree ;) ) are really homophobic.

Slovenia just legalized gay marriage and adoption.

When spending my hard earned travel dollars I would never choose any Of these homophobic shit holes

Poland, Russia, Jamaica, Eastern Europe, Middle East east.

Recently I was in Dusseldorf on the way to a dinner with a straight Lebanese friend. He was talking to me and hold my arm, in a friendship way & a few times we got a strange look & twice called faggot

I don't think German outside of Berlin is very welcoming

[quote]Recently I was in Dusseldorf on the way to a dinner with a straight Lebanese friend. He was talking to me and hold my arm, in a friendship way & a few times we got a strange look & twice called faggot. I don't think German outside of Berlin is very welcoming.

Wow. That's sad. I'll make sure not to go beyond Berlin when in Germany.

I live in Ukraine. The country is very homophobic. We don't have anti-gay laws like Russia but it doesn't help the common homophobia among people. Western part of the country which is considered more pro-European is very religious (Greek-Catholic Church) and the pro-Russian East is self-explanatory on this matter.

R66, Köln (Cologne) is a very gay-friendly city, and a very friendly city generally. It's only 20 miles from Düsseldorf, and far more welcoming than its conservative neighbour.

Prague Pride is only a few years old and already is the biggest party of the summer.

Don't lump Central Europe in with Eastern Europe!

Czech voters now evenly split on same-sex marriage: new poll New research in the Czech Republic has found registered partnerships for gay couples have gained overwhelming support since they were introduced in 2006 but support for gay marriage is still growing 25 June 2015 | By Andrew Potts Prague Castle at night in the Czech capital Photo by Jorge Royan

A new poll of voters in the Czech Republic has found almost half now support same-sex marriage while less than half still oppose it.

49% of those polled said they now support it while only 47% said they still oppose it.

Registered partnerships for same-sex couples, first introduced in the Czech Republic in 2006, were strongly supported by Czech voters with three-out-of-four people saying they supported them, or nearly 75%.

However adoption by same-sex couples remains controversial among Czechs, with a majority still saying they should not be able to adopt children from adoption agencies.

Only 44% of Czech voters said gay couples should be allowed to adopt children they were not related to but that is a considerable improvement on when Czechs were asked the same question in 2005 when only 19% thought they should be able to adopt in general.

Czech voters were more supportive of gays and lesbians being able to adopt their partners’ existing biological children with 59% saying they were supportive though 33% were still opposed to that.

Czechs were also asked about their perception of homophobia in their local communities.

When asked whether coming out as gay in their home town would cause problems for someone 51% said they thought becoming openly gay would cost a person in some way, while 40% thought someone coming out as gay in their community wouldn’t face a hard time.

Polster CVVM concluded that the polling data showed a continuing climb in support for the LGBTI community in the Czech Republic.

Slovenian voters overwhelmingly overturned that country's new gay marriage law

When Greece won its independence 40% of its people spoke Albanian as their first language. Greek government suppressed this and suppresses any claim that Greeks aren't ethnically Greek (while supporting the idea that Anatolia was destroyed by a foreign Turkish race). In truth, DNA does not settle these disputes. Why not? Because first invaders were typically male and so Y DNA tests show massive population movements. But mitochondrial DNA is the most stable for long periods and so ideal for testing ancient periods. And mitochondrial DNA, of the female-female-female inheritance, tends to point back to the women who lived there and were raped by the newcomers. Hence a Y dna test of Argentina says it is 90% plus European, but a mitochondrial DNA test says over 50% native American. How can this be? Well the early settlers came without women and even if they killed all the males they found, a few early female conquests were enough to set the mitochondrial DNA pattern for future generations who came from Europe and interbred with the now mixed breed women they found in colonial areas. So they could effectively wipe out native American culture in Argentina, repopulate the entire country with Europeans, and still test as native American in their mitochondrial DNA. It was only when women started moving too that there was a breach to this pattern. Something similar undoubtedly happened in Europe, which is why DNA studies claim that most Europeans have been in situ for thousands of years, because they are based on mitochondrial DNA. which changes slower and degrades less fast. And yet that is much at variance with the historical record of massacres and repeated invasions and frequent depopulations from famine and disease. Currently, this is handled by suggesting that only a small elite group of warriors typically moved and the general population stayed; but as we see in Argentina, that need not be the case. If only a few women are left, they can establish this pattern as long as the first few generation of migrants are mainly male.

[quote]Recently I was in Dusseldorf on the way to a dinner with a straight Lebanese friend. He was talking to me and hold my arm, in a friendship way & a few times we got a strange look & twice called faggot. I don't think German outside of Berlin is very welcoming.

That's one experience. There are jerks everywhere. Once in WeHo, LA a car drove by and the guy in the passenger seat screamed the word Faggot at me. Shit like that happens.

Yeah...Hamburg, Cologne, & Berlin are all very liberal, probably Munich too (unlike most of Bavaria), but even in Berlin, you could experience homophobia, albeit less likely than in other places. Particularly these days with all the refugees flooding into Western Europe. Look up the murder of Rudolph Moshammer for an example (he was killed by an Iraqi prostitute so perhaps it wasn't a hate crime as such, but proof that one should never take personal safety for granted).

[quote]Look up the murder of Rudolph Moshammer for an example.

Mooshammer was murdered in 2005 (that means there's no connection to the recent refugee crisis) by a hustler he picked up on the street and, according to the hustler, Mooshammer refused to pay him and that pushed the murderer over the edge. Mooshammer was notorious for driving around and picking up (rough) trade and yet acting holier than thou (there's a clip of him saying that paying people for sex is empty and demeaning for everyone involved and he would never stoop so low).

Atta girl, R73!

[quote]Mooshammer was murdered in 2005 (that means there's no connection to the recent refugee crisis)

Right, but the guy was an Iraqi asylum seeker. I'm just saying that with the ever-increasing influx of refugees, not everyone you find in even the most liberal cities is going to be liberal, gay-friendly, etc. There were Turkish areas of Berlin where you could be harassed back when I lived there (if you were unlucky).

You bitches will fight about anything.

Romania is not Slavic, but same area and culture.

The Romanian webcam whores on Flirt4free say it's NOT o.k. to be gay in the former Soviet bloc.

Romanian is a hybrid Latin-Slavic language the way English is technically Germanic with a whopping Norman invasion French overlay.

I'm a strange mix, and my mom was half-Serbian, half-Azeri---grew up going to Orthodox churches with her, and the Greek-Arab churches in the US did NOT talk politics. The Slavic ones, however, did, and were fairly, although not uniformly, conservative.

re: the Greeks. They look and act nothing like Slavs (who, as someone noted above, are fairly consistent in appearance and culture, from Serbia to Vladivostok). Greeks are their own peculiar, proud breed of white, and just weird-looking. Some of the women are impossibly tall, slender, and bronzed looking...not "pretty," but striking (until they hit menopause, that is). They remind me of the heavily Persified Persian Iranians, minus the nosejobs---all of those hyper-exaggerated features after thousands of years of inbreeding.

They certainly make a lot of gay porn in those countries.

^^^^ That should be Greek/Arab...

Yep,the more I think about this,the more convinced I am. Serbians/Bosnians/Croats are actually the acculturated Slavs of the Balkans. They are all the same fucking people, just dif cultures. Greeks are weirdos who make cookies with olive oil.

"When Greece won its independence 40% of its people spoke Albanian as their first language."

"It's people" where?

And link, please!

I was fucked to the point of soreness in Prague

CZECHIA: Poll by #LGBT group shows 75% support for #equalmarriage, 60% support for adoption:

Damn, this thread is from 2010.

Just because something feels good or u feel compelled to do it does not make it right. We all agree that pedophiles should be killed yet they are only pursuing a sexual urge. For the sake of your parents and community stick to being normal.

r3's post certainly hasn't aged well. SSM was defeated in two referenda, the second one with an even higher majority against equality. Thanks, Pope Francis! It's not that bad here for gays at all but not having equal marriage still sucks symbolically.

r87 It has a right-wing government right now so SSM is a non-starter.

r89 Why are you here?

[quote]Why are you here?

To troll you. Just FF and ignore. Stop engaging.

Idk and idc, as a West European I think we should kick Eastern Europe out of the EU anyway, these racist dirty stealing Slavs disgust me

I think only the Czech Republic is not anti gay.

r92

Sure. Chuck out the Poles et al.

That'll leave you in a better condition to deal with your 40 million gay-loving Muslims as their population doubles every 10 years or so...

LOL Slavs are truly the scum of the earth, pls nuke them Russia

the Greeks are what real evyptians used to look like.

egyptians

The Macedonians I know are pro-gay. Because they think Alexander the Great was one of them (lol) and he and his compatriots liked the buttsex

I can’t believe the EU is planning to take in more eastern countries. There are already too many in the EU

Why?

The people of Czechia aren’t progay, they are just tolerant of homosexuality. They still view it as weird, especially if expressed as a distinct gay identity. They are sort of like a culture that is okay with dudes sporadically banging dudes, just as long as they don’t act/identify gay and eventually settle down with women.

The East has clashing values with Western Europe, and now is openly viewing western values such as tolerance and government secularism as bad values to oppose.

Russian Orthodox Church continues to grow, adding 10 new dioceses in last year Dec 2, 2017 by Harry Farley, Christian Today: The Russian Orthodox Church’s expanding reach continues with 10 new dioceses added in the past year alone. On top of this the number of clerics also continued its steady growth with 521 more added in the last year, taking the total to 39,414. Outside of Russia, the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) has spread its influence with 900 ROC parishes and monasteries overseas, according to official figures. ‘Almost every community of the Moscow Patriarchate in the far-abroad countries has a Sunday school, catechetical courses and activities for preserving the native language and culture and for educating the younger generation,’ Patriach Kirill told

My deceased mother’s second husband is Polish. Born and raised in Hamtramick, the Polish ghetto of Detroit. He is one of the most homophonic men I have ever met. He’s also dying of lung cancer.

Dahling, being gay is very easy in Eastern Europe. You get married in big wedding, you fuck wife, she has, as you gays say "crotch droppings", and you have another married gay (no blackmail) as a lover.

Is easy, unless you want to be a filthy, hated openly gay diseased, Godless degenerate.

Dats tough,

Pity. I find Slavs very hot.