The Daily Mail has this breaking news:%0D
"Her marriage to Olivier was a sham, with both cheating on one another within months of becoming lovers in 1937, according to unpublished memoirs and witness accounts. At least three of the Oscar winner's lesbian conquests are revealed in 'Damn You, Scarlett O'Hara', to be published in the U.S. And, according to reports, the biography describes her insatiable appetite for 'rough trade' - male prostitutes picked up at Scotty's, a Los Angeles brothel that masqueraded as a petrol station. %C3%A2%C2%80%C2%98In the 1940s the world%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%99s most recognisable star would drive down to Scotty%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%99s with her friend George Cukor, the initial director of %C3%A2%C2%80%C2%98Gone with the Wind%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%99, and they would pick out young men for the night,%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%99 a publishing source said.%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%98They would pay the men with gifts such as cigarette cases, jewels or even stocks and bonds. She depended on the professional discretion of men not to boast they had just serviced Scarlett O'Hara,' Miss Leigh was apparently even kicked out of an Italian hotel for bringing back too many 'street boys'. %C3%A2%C2%80%C2%98Today, she would be diagnosed as bipolar and there are drugs that would help, but in those days people did not know how to deal with a star who tore off all her clothes and ran out of her house,' the source added. The memoir is by Darwin Porter, who knew the British actress in the 1960s, and Roy Moseley, Olivier's former assistant. 'They were both beautiful and both wanted more,' the authors say. %C3%A2%C2%80%C2%98Vivien loved to torture Olivier with her affairs, especially after she grew more mentally ill, depressed and manic.%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%99 In addition to flings with British actress Isabel Jeans and two other women, Miss Leigh also cheated with co-stars Marlon Brando and Rex Harrison, they add."%0D
This sounds like made-up bullshit about people who have long been dead. If true, it would have come out long ago. The same with the constant "revelations" about Marilyn.
Ok, Vivien Leigh was a saint according to you, ok gays! Whatever!
Darwin Porter's biography on Merv Griffin was laughable . . . he had Merv bedding down with just about every well known male of the day . . . even Frank Sinatra!
OT very weird. I used to be friendly about 10 years agp with this really old dude. He was very fun and had lots of tales about LA and old time movie actors. Juicy stuff. Most names I didn't recognize nor cared about.
I remember one about his job at Scotty on Sunset (?) at a service station which he claimed really wasn't one. He'd ferry cars and numbers to the hills for clients.
Cars, because there was little parking on the roads in the hills and numbers because it was a call service. Fuck. I thought he was yanking my chain.
Maybe it was true.
Read the book "Full Service" by Scotty Bowers.
"Today, she would be diagnosed as bipolar and there are drugs that would help, but in those days people did not know how to deal with a star who tore off all her clothes and ran out of her house,'"
Actually, lithium was used to treat bipolar disorder as early as the 1940s. I wonder if anyone ever tried to get her to use it?
R4 why did you revive a thread that died over two years ago? No one cared then, no one cares now.
IF THEY DIDN'T CARE THEY WOULDN'T ANSWER, INCLUDING YOU BITCHY R14
Who 'killed'' the Paul Newman thread?
This thread does not exist any longer.
Who did that and why?
Mean people you are!
I watched The Roman Spring of Mrs. Stone. I wonder if that film inspired her attraction to rough trade Italian boys. It's implied in the film that she's ultimately killed by one.
Why are all these threads fr0om 2010 being bumped? God, I hate this fycking site sometimes; it really does have some absolutely insane people. I wish it were paying members only so these freaks could be banned.
R18 you have a nasty streak. What's your problem?
You seem to have issues with the past. Stop diffusing your negativity in this room. Start Yoga, maybe. Just stop making idiotic remarks. I bet you are of these types that don't really give a damn about the content of a thread but they stuck on the date. Please, do me a favour and get your head out of your constipated ass.
Vivien Leigh was BRILLIANT, how on earth can she be bipolar? I don't believe it!
"You seem to have issues with the past. Stop diffusing your negativity in this room. Start Yoga, maybe. Just stop making idiotic remarks."
Please, by all means. . .you first.
Actress Sara Miles spills it in the DM today that VL was bipolar, nympho, etc & that SM had an affair with LO for 20 years.
Sarah Miles is broke.
She was on British TV the other night, trying to sell a painting because she needs the money.
This isn't the first time that she's told this story - she'd just doing it because she needs the cash.
R20, I hope you're being sarcastic? Brilliance is the hallmark of some bipolar people. I have always read.
That's too bad about Sarah Miles. I thought she was wonderful in Ryan's Daughter and Lady Caroline Lamb.
Sarah Miles was in a film with Sarah Jessica Parker about drug smuggling.
Maybe she could hit her up for a loan.
I have never understood the appeal of Laurence Olivier. He's very "stagey" in his acting and he comes across as a big queen onscreen. He always looked like he was wearing nose and chin putty as well.
When LO is good, he's great. But he did give bad performances, e.g., cold fish Prince in "The Prince and the Showgirl." I thought he was also a bit too remote in "Rebecca" as well.
"Rough trade" is a gay male thing.
I think this is another one of those "gay men paint the histories of their divas/stars with how they would have lived their life".
Vivien was mentally ill though.
Aren't you guys getting your panties in a twist only because the work lesbian was in the same sentence as Vivien Leigh? Jesus.
if anyone was a gift from the gods for Tennessee Williams, it was Miss Vivien.
My parents wouldn't let me go see Sarah Miles in "Lady Caroline Lamb." There is a clip on youtube, however, and it's dull beyond imagining.
[quote]I watched The Roman Spring of Mrs. Stone. I wonder if that film inspired her attraction to rough trade Italian boys. It's implied in the film that she's ultimately killed by one.
The film was inspired by the author's fondness for rough trade. And was written AFTER Leigh had done likewise.
It is implied in the film that she invites one up to kill her.
I can't believe anything this author writes. Pity as some of his info may be correct. But he really piles on lots of crap that is transparently false. Credibility gone forever.
Is Scotty B still alive? Isn't he the queen who said Judy tricked with women?
"I hate this fycking site sometimes; it really does have some absolutely insane people. I wish it were paying members only so these freaks could be banned"
The most vicious crazies are more than willing to pay their $18, if it gives them the right to be openly venomous. Limiting the place to paying members drives away the kind of casual posters who are more fun.
Anyway, if Porter is basing his book on the crap Scotty Bowers wrote, I won't believe a fucking word of it. Yes, it's long been said that Leigh would screw anything while manic, but sharing rent boys with Cukor while she was still young and stable? Bullshit.
I've read a lot about Vivien and she was bipolar, frequently out of control and in very delicate physical health (she had TB) and was often bedridden (alone, presumably). There is a lot of corroborating evidence out there that she had affairs (with men) throughout her marriage to Olivier, notably with Peter Finch. I think it's also fairly well documented that Olivier was bi- and wasn't faithful to her either. I never figured out why he married Joan Plowright though. He was the one who had the affair with Sarah Miles, not Vivien, Sarah Miles ratted him out long ago. She must really be short of cash. She's got mental problems of her own.
Never heard she had an affair with Brando, I'd always read they hated each other.
[quote]but sharing rent boys with Cukor while she was still young and stable? Bullshit.
She was bipolar. Who said she was ever stable?
Some of you queens have far too much vested in disbelieving the Bowers book.
So tired of the bi-polar label. Who the hell isn't bi-polar given this definition:
Sometimes the mood switches from high to low and back again are dramatic and rapid, but more often they are gradual and slow, and intervals of normal mood may occur between the high (manic) and low (depressive) phases of the condition.
I knew a French actress who was labeled bipolar after her death. She seemed normal enough to me. A bit melancholy, but certainly never exibited any manic phases.
[quote]So tired of the bi-polar label.
I bet you're tired of that cancer label, too. It's just so gosh-darn tedious.
Darwin Porter is full of shit. So is Scotty Bowers. Both are liars. But there are silly people in this world who believe anything they read, so they do have an audience.
As for Vivien Leigh...she was a beautiful, talented woman who loved sex. She left her nice but ordinary husband and their baby daughter to run off with Laurence Olivier (he left his wife and baby to be with her). Apparently those who knew the pair remarked on their "sexual greediness" for each other. They seemed like the perfect couple; both very accomplished, talented actors and both gorgeous. But her mental illness did her in. She'd go absolutely bonkers and fuck anything. Olivier couldn't take it anymore so he left her for the plain but very stable Joan Plowright. Leigh never got over losing Olivier. She died at only 53 of tuberculosis. For all her success, she was a very tragic figure.
R40: Like Olivier's love of the taste of dick didn't have anything to do with their marriage not working . . .
r27, I read in a biography of LO that indeed, his nose WAS putty; or rather, he never performed without make-up to hide his disliked natural nose.
"Like Olivier's love of the taste of dick didn't have anything to do with their marriage not working . . .'
It was Leigh's increasing lunatic episodes that drove Olivier to divorce her. Dick sucking played no part in it. Olivier said it in an interview: he had to leave to save himself. Arthur Miller said the same thing about Marilyn Monroe; he had to get away from her to preserve his own sanity.
[R:29] Gay boys can't claim a monopoly on liking a little "rough trade". What a funny little thing to say.
Leigh was bipolar, and later in her life and marriage to Olivier, I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was sexually promiscuous. But Olivier was the love of her life, and Darwin Porter can't write anything I believe. He makes up conversations, incidents, and pairings that are ridiculous.
Scotty Bowers is another one and I remember a series of newspaper articles where they went through the book, and even the geography was wrong, forget the names and situations.
Olivier at one point wrote that Leigh told him that from that point on, they would be "brothers and sisters" and he added, "but sometimes, the brother and sister relationship became downright incestuous."
[R27] If you want to see the great Laurence Olivier, I suggest "Sister Carrie," probably his best performance, and "The Entertainer" which he also did onstage. I also love him in "Wuthering Heights" - I thought he was gorgeous.
I liked him in Rebecca. I think Maxim is supposed to be remote.
He has a line in Sister Carrie I've never forgotten. He's in a loveless marriage and he yells at his wife, "I will have some happiness before I die." Such a gut-wrenching movie.
And what is with Sarah Miles - she had an affair with Olivier, not VL.
[R27] Orson Welles did that, he was known for it. What is the source for Olivier?
R45 why the FUCK did you bump an ancient thread? What an asshole.