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History and Persecution-In defense of "ghetto" names\
In some cultures in Africa, the naming of a child is a very important and sacred ceremony. The child is usually given a name that represents the situation of their birth or a name that represents the hopes and dreams the parents have for their child.
When Africans were taken to America to become slaves, they were not only stripped of their clothes, they were also stripped of their names, taking their identities, and hopes and dreams. The slave master had deemed their meaningful African names too "exotic" and too hard to pronounce. In order to turn the slaves into mindless, chattel, upon which to build America's wealth, it was deemed necessary to rid the African people of a cultural identity. The slave masters usually gave slaves names from the bible such as, Luke, John, James, Joseph, Mary, Eve, and Ruth. Some were given short, percussive names such as Tom and Bill. During the time shortly before the Civil War, some masters named their slaves after the American forefathers such as Washington and Jefferson.
After the Civil War, many slaves decided to reinvent their identity by making their names more unique. Common names such as Lucy were embellished to Lucinda. Some common Western names such as John and Mary began to fall out of favor with White people as more and more Black people began using them. Many Black people were not connected to their African roots, they didn't know much about the naming ceremonies, or the names that were traditional for their African ancestors. The need to celebrate their freedom and distinction from other cultures in America manifested itself in these changes and unique trends in naming.
During the 1960s, the Civil Rights Movement was gaining momentum. Black people were eager to have equal rights in America, as well as discover their African roots, and create a unique Black culture. This manifested itself in the naming of Black children, and the re-naming of people involved in the Civil Rights movement. Many Black people had Arabic names as the Nation of Islam rose to power within the Black community. Names such as Malik, Raheem, and Fatima became popular. The Black boxer Cassius Clay re-named himself Muhammad Ali, and the famous Black basketball player Lew Alcindor, who is now known as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar changed his name in accordance with this trend within the Black community.
Naming within the Black community got more creative as time went on. The creativity that invented the smooth sounds of Jazz and the unique, poetic flows of Hip-Hop spilled over into the naming of Black children. A mixture of Swahili-sounding names and pleasing percussive sounds gave birth to names like Lakesha, Swantezza, Johntae, Rashawn, and Shaquan. Dreams of prosperity and better lives for their children inspired parents to name their children after luxury items such as Lexus, Prada, Chanel, and Treasure. Qualities and nouns that parents felt described their children gave rise to names like Heaven, Omunique (pronounced I'm unique), and Precious.
Blacks have been under fire for years for these "ghetto" names. Whites have continually persecuted and scorned the kids with these creative names without knowing the history behind them. Even Black people have begun to criticize those who give their children these creative names, saying that Black children should have more "normal" names. But why? Why should Black people's names be changed? Too often Whites and others attach Black stereotypes to these creative names. They feel as though people with these names are poor, uneducated, lazy, or criminals. The stereotypes have gotten worse as time goes on.
In 2009, one of the most watched videos on Youtube was of two young men rattling off a list of "The Top 50 Ghetto Names." They included stereotypical references to watermelon and kool-aid. Many people laughed at the video, not really understanding why it was offensive, and the affect their ostracizing has on Black lives. In 2003, Marianne Bertrand, an associate professor at the University of Chicago graduate school of Business, and Sendhi Mullainathan of Massachusetts Institute of Technology, designed a study called "Are Emily and Brendan More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?" The study was designed to see if there was any discrimination towards people with Black sounding in the screening of applications for different jobs. The team sent out over 5,000 applications answering want-ads in the Boston Globe and The Chicago Tribune. They gave each of the fake applicants either very White sounding names like Emily Walsh or Brendan Baker, or very Black sounding names like Jamal Jones or Lakisha Washington. The study showed that those with White-sounding names were 50 percent more likely to get a call for an interview for the job. It didn't even matter if the applicants with Black sounding names had more credentials, or were better qualified for the job. The field in which the applicants were trying to get a job didn't matter much either, the discrimination was the same across the board. Even jobs that posited that they were "Equal Opportunity" discriminated at pretty much the same rate.
The lesson from this study and the history of Black names is that names represent an identity that was created after everything was taken from African people. More people should try to understand the rich history of this naming trend before labeling the people who have Black names as "ghetto" or incompetent. No one should be forced to change their name to be seen as qualified for any job. Anyone who thinks these names are stupid or outrageous doesn't understand that they are being duped into thinking that originality is a bad thing, who made them the all-important deciders of which names are "normal" and which names are not? It is absolutely illogical to try and infer what a person can or can't do, or how much they do or don't have, just by their names alone.
- If you can''t stand the heat, don''t name your child Jamonica.
- Formerly in H.R. and routinely those with names like Lakeesha and Shaniquia were thrown out without consideration. \
The director assumed they would be low class and poorly educated and did not want to waste time talking to them.
- I don''t care what color your skin is, but naming your child Jermajesty, is lame. Same goes for Apple.
- Is Barak a popular name yet?\
How about Barakeesha?
- While I worked in the legal department of a Time Warner unit I watched attorneys merrily tossing resumes with Afrocentric names and/or black colleges/extracurriculars and any state schools other than Ann Arbor or UCLA.
- Some of my best friends are goat people. The animals are generally fun and their people tend to be bizarro. True story!%0D\
- My favorite ghetto name is Latrina.
- R6? You confused me, honey, but I''m happy for you and your goat mates.
- There is no excuse for giving your kid a dumb name.
- When a Caucasian woman with the first name "Muffie" was running for the School Board, I voted against her just because of the awful name. Skin color doesn''t always matter when the name is awful.
- The problem with the names is that many of them just show up the sad longing and lack of sophistication of the parents behind them - for luxury items that most of the parents certainly can''t afford (Armani, Remy, Lexus) to trying to sound ''French'' and exotic (LaToya, Antoinique, Ladanian). They accomplish the opposite of what they''re attempting to do. Few people with real money and sophistication would name their kids after expensive booze, for example. And unfortunately, the kids unfairly pay the price in the form of assumptions about their character and abilities.\
This exists in white America too - think of all the trailer park chicks with funky names.
- Give me a effing break. If you know how the system works then deal with it.
- Excuse me, OP, but the name isn''t "Precious." It is "Precious, based on the novel ''Push'' by Sapphire."\
Don''t make this mistake again or I will cut you.
Tell me about.
Margeaux, from the grave.
- Slavery ended over a century and a half ago. Most Irish people you know are from stock that was persecuted and even purposely starved far more recently than that. And every Vietnamese you see has been likely to have suffered such in his or her own person. And yet we constantly hear this sort of thing from African Americans who have their own fate in their own hands.
- I''m sure 70% of the American people want children in our society to have names that are more traditional.\
Why is the will of the people being ignored?
- Your legal name should be simple and conventional. If your parents want to show creativity with a wacky nickname for you, that''s fine. \
There was a study that showed that "a rose by any other name" in fact does not smell as sweet. Different words create different impressions. It is ingrained, immutable human nature to associate traits with names and words. \
It should be noted that it is a big lie that the name effect only applies to ghetto names. Another study showed that old fashioned "white" names like Mabel and Floyd caused people to be discriminated against in favor of preferred names like Jennifer and Michael.
- [quote]Qualities and nouns that parents felt described their children gave rise to names like... Omunique (pronounced I''m unique),\
- I know a woman who named her baby Alaya. Can you imagine what that kid would go through with boys in her grade school? She''s home schooled (age 9) so she really has no interaction with 9-year-old boys taunting her.
- [quote]Too often Whites and others attach Black stereotypes to these creative names. They feel as though people with these names are poor, uneducated, lazy, or criminals. \
Well, I agree you can''t think someone is lazy or criminal because of his or her name. But you sure can think their parents were poor or uneducated because of their names. This has little to do with race: if I see a class roster and I have students named "Martha" and "Henry" I''ll think their parents were educated and wealthy, but if I see "Kayytl''N" or "Jaedin" or "Tyniqua" I''ll think their parents were poor or dumb or both. However, I will also give Kayytl''N or Jaedin or Tyniqua the benefit of the doubt as far as grading him or her: it''s not the student''s fault his or her parent was poor or dumb.
- If I was black, I would have 26 kids, and I would name them Akika, Bakika, Chakika, Dakika, Ekika, Fakika, Gakika, Hakika, Ikika, Jakika, Lakika, Makika, Nakika, Okika, Pakika, Quakika, Rakika, Sakika, Takika, Ukika, Vakika, Wakika, Xakika, Yakika, and Zakika.
- I can respect the tradition of this naming process, but I still found that You Tube video (made by black men), absolutely hilarious. It was purposely over-the-top.
- You want to hear bad names? Let me tell you, they come from ALL walks of life. Check out "Baby''s Named A Bad, Bad Thing". Plenty of ridicule to go around, and much worse than the infamous Utah Baby-Namer website.
Did you just make that up, or is it relayed from personal experience?
- ITA with the poster who mentioned trailer park names being as bad as ghetto names. %0D\
I also hate names like Sandy Meadow, Crystal Dawn, etc.
- Somewhere out there is a poor unfortunate "Vuvuzuela" waiting to be born.
- This piece is not very deep. It really boils down to "Don''t be racist or classist just because other people have names you consider silly."
I think part of what I find grating about the African-American naming trends is the tendency to raise multiple children and give them all variations on the same name, like they''re all just parts of a matched set. That strikes me as dehumanizing to the kids, as if they''re all interchangeable. For example, I remember reading about a woman who had three little girls named Shaliqua, Shamiqua, and Shaniqua. Of the six teens that drowned in the Red River a couple of weeks ago, two were named JaTavious and JaMarcus and two were named LaTevin and LaDairus. \
Then there''s that gem of a lady, Angel Adams from Tampa Florida, who was in the news a few months ago. 15 children by three different men. Ten of the kids were fathered by a man named Garry Brown (he''s in jail serving a five year term for dealing cocaine). A sampling of the kids'' names: Garry Nesha, Garry Brown Jr., Garry Lethia, Garryiell and Garry Rick.
- The Freakonomics guys did a study on this. Basically, it isn''t that people with "ghetto" names do poorly because of their names, it is that the kind of people who gives their kids these names are more likely to be single parent, low-income, uneducated people. The name isn''t the cause of the child''s problem, it is a symptom of a greater ill in the child''s life.
- [quote]I think part of what I find grating about the African-American naming trends is the tendency to raise multiple children and give them all variations on the same name, like they''re all just parts of a matched set. \
That''s not an African-American tendency at all--I went to high school in a very wealthy and Republican (and white) suburb in the Midwest, and our next door neighbors named their children Kyle, Krissie, Kevin, Katie and Ken.\
I think bad taste transcends race.
- Britney Jean Spears: The Ultimate Piece of Trailer Trash!
- If you had two equally impressive resumes in front of you and one had a name with a traditional spelling (say, Haley) and another with a "creative" spelling (say, Haleigh), and you only had time to meet with one of them, don''t tell me you would pick Haley. \
Don''t tell me.
Liar! You would totally pick Haley!!
- I worked with a woman once whose name was Eunick(pronounced Unique). She''s black, and her parents were well educated as was she,(her mother was a nurse). I always felt bad for her, and wondered what her parents were thinking.
- Relatives of relatives named all their spawn after the father, Don. After Don Jr., Donna and Donielle, they were stuck with Derick, Doink, Duwayne, and Duh.\
By the way, in the local black ghetto, if somebody says you''re sweet it means he/she thinks you''re gay. For a while, I thought everyone was saying I''m a kind, loving person.
- [quote]don''t tell me you would pick Haley. Don''t tell me. by: Liar! You would totally pick Haley!!\
Put down the crack pipe.
- Another examination of the issue found that hiring managers threw out resumes with names that they were unsure of how to pronounce. People don''t like to have to ask how to pronounce a name. The easiest way to deal with it is punch and delete.
- All to often, and sadly, it''s the black folks who bring the stereotypes along with the names.
- This helps explain why Chloe Sivigny and Jake gyllenhall went into that business of show, R36.
- My sister wanted to name her son "Breion". I tried to convince her for the entire pregnancy to consider "Brian" instead. Thankfully she easily persuaded!\
Ancient Roman names are also a trend within the ghetto. I''ve met Lucien, Brutus, Julius, Antonius, Lavinia, Calpurnia, Venus and Octavius.
- I''ve never met any blacks with ancient Roman names. I thought only old white guys were named Lucien.
- The predominant reason white people are all naming their kids weird/stupid things is supposedly because, in the age of the internet and googling yourself, everyone wants their children to be able to stand out on, say, Facebook. If your kid is named something common, like Joe Smith, he''ll be *gasp* unable to get ahead in terms of social networking.
- Death to America.
The rest of the world
- r41, my first, middle, and last names are each very common names, but fortunately, I was able to register the url for the combination before anyone who shares my name. Yay!
- Meet Marijuana Pepsi Sawyer. Named after her mom''s two favorite things!%0D\
She turned out okay, though. Got her masters degree and is a teacher.
- It''s one of my favorite pastimes coming up with unique ghetto names for characters in whatever future pulp fiction I am going to write. Any "D''" name is always a winner.%0D\
You know there has to be some poor girl walking around with the name D''Lishusse.
- A story told by Eudora Welty: A woman wanted to name her baby after a term she heard during delivery - Placenta!
- R28, naming kids somewhat as if they are a matched set is an old Chinese custom. Children of the same gender all receive the same first character/name, and are distinguished by the second character/name. My former roommate and her sisters (born in HK) were all named that way, but after moving to the US they all picked English names.%0D\
Now, George Foreman naming all of his children George, was pretty egotistical.
- My brother and his wife (upper middle class, well-educated, big outdoors/ecotravel types) wanted to name their daughter "Crystalline Dawn" which reminded them of their favorite wilderness camping spot. My mother was finally the one to say out loud that it sounded like the name of a waitress who lived in a trailer park. %0D\
They ended up naming her Rachel Lake instead, which was not quite as bad but still pissed off my mom.
- " Hi Y''all"\
"Just call me Shithead".\
"ummm... that''s pronounced Shi - they- add''
- Sometimes white people just need to mind their own business. Don''t we have bigger things to worry about in this country besides how people are deciding to name their children?
- Why do so many Asian immigrants adapt American names from the 1910s, like "Edgar" and "Helen"?
- "Another examination of the issue found that hiring managers threw out resumes with names that they were unsure of how to pronounce. People don''t like to have to ask how to pronounce a name. The easiest way to deal with it is punch and delete."\
Does this mean that hiring managers also throw out resumes with bizarre foreign names? What are you saying only the Smiths, Jones...that just Wasps get hired?\
I don''t think so, read the masthead lists for most magazines, there are some pretty weird names there.\
What about weird Asian names? Hung Lo IS a real name. I worked with a Vietnamese guy named Dhat. \
It''s hard to believe that hiring managers might be passing up on so many talented individuals simply because they are too snobby or just plain lazy to ask how to pronoun a person''s name. That''s sheer stupidity.
- [quote]Sometimes white people just need to mind their own business. Don''t we have bigger things to worry about in this country besides how people are deciding to name their children?\
But it was a black person who wrote the column at the OP, and another one who posted it.
- R1, "Wilson", "Benson" and "Mason" are popular too.
- I was referring to all the posts on this thread. Most of them are quite tiresome.
- good point r47. but lots of cultures used to have customs wherein children were all given the fathers'' name, one of the reasons being that back in the day, infant/child mortality rates were so high that if you had a family of 10, only a handful might end up making it to adulthood. \
in Antiquity, Roman boys would frequently all have the same name as their father, and would be given a first name that was just a number to tell them apart (Primo, Secundo, Tertio, etc.). Girls were all given a female form of their fathers'' last name, ie all the daughters of Gnaius Flavius would be named "Flavia" and had no last name until they were married. \
I would argue that even though it may be a cultural norm or tradition in some places, it''s still a dehumanizing practice that has little place in modern day America, which seems reflected in your Chinese-born friends'' decision to pick unique English names for themselves once they came here. (flame away, cultural relativists)
- [quote]I was referring to all the posts on this thread. Most of them are quite tiresome.\
Yet again: why should white people "mind their own business" about black people''s names (as you say at r50) when it was a black person who posted this thread and brought the whole topic to everyone''s attention here?\
It seems you have a double standard.
- Is it only me, or is there quite a bit of racial tension around here lately?
- [quote]not really understanding why it was offensive, and the affect their ostracizing has on Black lives.\
- lol! r59
- Last night a Glee re-run had a reform school black girl called Aphasia.
- Everyone in this topic needs to go plant a tree or something more useful.
- I always found that the biggest criticism of these names come from other black folks, paticularly older middle class and working class black folks. Also, I work with a lot of actual African people and all of them have not only American first names but old fashion American names: Charles, Judith, Jacob, Althea, Harriet, Angela, etc.
- [R28] Where do you live?
- At one of my first jobs, whenever the office manager had to fill a position, all resumes with exotic names were discarded. I sneaked a look at those and in most cases the candidates were all qualified and experienced. Pissed me off.
- [quote]Everyone in this topic needs to go plant a tree or something more useful.\
- I was Best Man for my fraternity brother when he married his second-generation Chinese girlfriend. I was introduced to Uncle Seven. Uncle Five did not make the wedding, though I was supposed to pick him up at the airport.
- If you see the name Antwan his momma was too dumb to know how to spell Antoine.
- It''s not only blacks who are discriminated against because of names. Teachers in different school districts were asked to grade essays from 25 students. The content was the same. Elmer, Floyd,and Bessie got lower marks than John, Michael, or Jennifer.
- Oh those black people have such funny names.
Ima and Ura Hogg
- In Central Pennsylvania Aaron, Jacob, and Moses were common names; lots of Amish and Mennonites. When I moved to The Big Apple, only Jews had those first names.
- I worked at two companies where HR would toss resumes in the trash if the names were "ghetto" or if the candidate went to a "black college" like Howard. This happens all the time in the business world.
- Chakakhan Wilson filled out a job app last week at my place of employment....
A masthead name goes with a position someone has earned over time. The discussion here concerns blind resumes for entry level positions.
HR is going to cull as quickly as possible and they will use names as a first indicator, whether they do that consciously or unconsciously.
If a Shantrina shows up and someone at the firm knows the person and has given HR a heads up about the persons good qualities, then that is different.
Also, HR people are not bigoted per se. A recruiter has to be extremely diligent to avoid unconscious biases against certain names as well as addresses from certain neighborhoods, e.g.
I am a WASP. I scorned made-up names as an example of Black separatism,ignorance or whatever, until I noted that I had an uncle Okla, aunt Venzita, and a brother with a trendy spelling of his first name.
The bias shown in preferring certain colleges is particularly insidious.
HR people, do some of you make a point of examining resumes with names, addresses, and schools redacted until the person's qualifications are rated? That would seem to minimize some of the problems.
- "That''s not an African-American tendency at all--I went to high school in a very wealthy and Republican (and white) suburb in the Midwest, and our next door neighbors named their children Kyle, Krissie, Kevin, Katie and Ken."%0D\
What exactly is wrong with these names? Many families I know, black and white, name their children with names using the same first letter: Jonathan, Jessica, Jennifer, Jacob; Kalen, Keith, Kevin, Kayla, Kammie.%0D\
Those are all far from ghetto names and this naming convention is used quite frequently.%0D
- r49, you may say Shi-they-add, but my friend Shithead says Shy-theed. Two syllables are easier to remember.
- I think it''s cool to name your child something that reflects your heritage, including African names.\
I think where it gets pathetic is the made-up names that are supposed to sound ethnic, but are just ignorant gibberish.\
I''m Irish, so should I name my kid O''Lunacy (just to be YooN''neek)?
- My neighbor''s kids were James, Jason and John.%0D\
When their mother wanted them she''d holler for "J One, J Two or J Three."
- "The bias shown in preferring certain colleges is particularly insidious."%0D\
So a BA from Harvard is the same as a BA from the University of Phoenix?
- My chirruns names is Cheetoh, Limbo, Curtis, Lemonjello, Orangejello, Kmartina, Velveeta, Cocoa Puffs, Maybelline, Gingivitis, Unguenteen, Brylcreem, Nyquil and Sh*thead.
Shirley Q. Liquor
- Someone had to bring that horrific untalented drag queen into this discussion. Why R80?
- R70, while there was indeed a Miss Ima Hogg (1882-1975, a wealthy oil heiress who never married) in Houston, it is a myth that other family members had weird names. Her brothers were William, Michael, and Thomas. Ima is an old-fashioned name.
heard this all my life in TX
Don't be difficult and/or snide unless you can contribute to the thread.
I never said that one school's education is the same as another or should be considered as such. As should be gathered from my statement in context, there are problems with discrimination when any firm gives especial attention to certain schools.
There are plenty of Wall Street Firms and NYC law firms that give preference to the top ten schools in the country.
If you want to work for such a firm and you went to a lesser school, you do not have to be just as good as a graduate from a top ten school to get hired. You have to be better.
This unofficial system of recruiting creates an old-boy system of hiring that perpetuates itself. A partner who went to Yale and is on the hiring committee is going to look for Yale graduates.
He is going to have friends on the faculty at Yale who well tell him about a top prospect. If the Yale student comes from a substantial family, the recruiter may find a couple million in his Christmas stocking.
Did you not know this? I'd rather you be a troll rather than be hopelessly naive.
- [quote]What exactly is wrong with these names? Many families I know, black and white, name their children with names using the same first letter: Jonathan, Jessica, Jennifer, Jacob; Kalen, Keith, Kevin, Kayla, Kammie.\
the Truth Fairy
- I went to the "debutante" ball of a girl named Omara because her father, Oscar, had to have children with "O" names. So it was Omara, Oscar Jr., Omar--and a late addition to the family-- Oscara.
- "I think part of what I find grating about the African-American naming trends is the tendency to raise multiple children and give them all variations on the same name, like they''re all just parts of a matched set."%0D\
Oh, like John-David, Jill, Jessa, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna, Jedidiah, Jeremiah, Jason, James, Justin, Jackson and Johannah Duggar?%0D\
Not that they aren''t as uneducated and out of touch with the working world as any ghetto kid.
- No one in Africa is named Shaniqua or Moesha. The idea that these names somehow put anyone in touch with their roots is ridiculous. And plenty of Jewish and Asian kids are named Jennifer and Michael and are still perfectly in touch with their respective roots.
- [quote]And plenty of Jewish and Asian kids are named Jennifer and Michael and are still perfectly in touch with their respective roots.\
Jews have secret Jew names.
- I enjoy how people who judge entire segments of the population by their name, skin color, and socioeconomic status will criticize OTHERS for being trashy and uneducated. They think they''re smart when they claim white people are discriminated against as much as people of color are. They think their logic is solid when they say, "A black person wrote the article, therefore it''s okay for white people to judge blacks based on their names."\
If any of you were educated, you''d know better. Or maybe you DID have an education and you still chose to hold on to your cozy racist beliefs.
- ding ding ding ding!%0D\
Shirley Q. Liquor, R80, wins Best Post of the Thread.
- I know a black girl named Mayenaizze
- None of those "ghetto" names for my kids.\
I''ve named them "Doctor", "Professor","Sir" and "Her Most Serene Majesty".
- R123: That has been a favorite site of mine for years, despite it no longer being updated. She is taking the names from frau bb, so everyone here will think it''s the greatest site ever.
- R92, you forgot "Princess". %0D\
Too bad "Jermajesty" is already taken. But how about "Jerhighness?"
Nah, that''s uncomfortably close to "Jerheiney"
- Blacks would sometimes give children such name as "Mister" or "Sir." That way as adults, the person could not be demeaned when whites used the first name.
- [quote]I went to the "debutante" ball of a girl named Omara because her father, Oscar, had to have children with "O" names.\
Why is "debutante" in quotation marks?
- The names Jamal and Lakisha used in the study aren't ugly or stupid, they are just a bit exotic and ethnic. There are plenty of ugly anglo names.%0D
I'm a bit surprised by the responses here. A minority group that has been subject to oppression, discrimination and an attempt to erase their identity has responded with a pride movement and attempt to reclaim and build distinct culture. Signs of that pride and culture are receiving employer discrimination even for applicants with superior qualifications. That doesn't resonate with anyone here?%0D
What if the study was about employers widely discriminating against job applications mentioning volunteer work with gay organizations and posters were chiming in with accounts of those type of CVs going straight in the trash? Would everyone be commenting "who cares, if you don't like it put in your work at straight organizations"?%0D
A Jamal can pretend to be a James and we can omit mention of any experiences involving gay organizations for the purpose of catering to prejudiced employers, but I think we should at least regard the fault to be with a prejudiced employer and have a desire to see more socially inclusive attitudes from people doing hiring.
- [quote]I know a woman who named her baby Alaya. Can you imagine what that kid would go through with boys in her grade school? She''s home schooled (age 9) so she really has no interaction with 9-year-old boys taunting her.\
Was she black? Alaya, Anaya and variations of that are popular baby names amongst black people today, taking over for Keisha, LaQuanda, and the rest. They are the equivalent of Madison, Ethan, and Sophia. Most black people wouldn''t blink twice at the name, and most black children wouldn''t pick on her because they have cousin or sister with the same name. \
To be fair, names like Bronwyn and Ciaran are just as foreign to black people as Kelendria, LaTavia, Tanitra and Beyonce were to white people twenty years ago. It all comes down to culture. \
And just for the record, every Jamal I''ve ever known has been hot and had huge dick. So you HR queens might want to save his application or at least save his number.
- Former heavy weight champion of the world George Foreman has 11 children, and each of his first five sons are named George: George Jr., George III, George IV, George V and George VI.\
- r99, George Foreman has been hit in the head many times.
- The worse part is that it is an unusual name and yet the person will not help you spell or pronounce it and treats you like you are stupid for not knowing the name you have just heard for the very first time.%0D\
Hello is Shawn there.%0D\
I am sorry there is no Shawn here you must have the wrong number.%0D\
Oh, I am sorry. I was trying to return a call to Shawn Williams.%0D\
Oh you mean DeShawn. Yes, he is here. Hold on.%0D\
- [quote]To be fair, names like Bronwyn and Ciaran are just as foreign to black people as Kelendria, LaTavia, Tanitra and Beyonce were to white people twenty years ago.\
The difference between Bronwyn and Ciaran and the other names you mentioned are that Bronwyn and Ciaran are actual names, quite ancient actually (Welsh and Gaelic respectively). Kelendria and Beyonce, on the other hand, are just made up.
- [quote]They think they''re smart when they claim white people are discriminated against as much as people of color are. They think their logic is solid when they say, "A black person wrote the article, therefore it''s okay for white people to judge blacks based on their names."\
No one here said [bold]either[/bold] of those things.\
You''re hysterically exaggerating and putting words in other people''s mouths.
- Anfernee? Really?\
- "Oh you mean DeShawn. Yes, he is here. Hold on."%0D\
Maybe the caller was searching for Chone Figgins.
- R40 Lucien is also popular with "luggage lifters".
- [quote]It''s hard to believe that hiring managers might be passing up on so many talented individuals simply because they are too snobby or just plain lazy to ask how to pronoun a person''s name. That''s sheer stupidity.%0D\
Not really. I''ve had only two decent managers in the past 20 years, so it''s not hard to believe. And let''s not even talk about most of the HR departments.
- De'' La Sha Shanequia?\
- D''Antwann. Seriously.
- Mykenzeigh Jaedyn etc etc
- I work with a Lanika, Tamika and Gladys.
- Gladys is a name popular many years ago like Ethel
- Thank you R97.%0D\
I''m black with an "acceptable" ordinary name, but I''ve learned this much, white people always have issues with blacks no matter what they''re named or what they''ve accomplished. If you''re a "ghetto" black or a college educated, professional black, they don''t like you either way and will find some way to denigrate and diminish you. I used to feel embarrassed by those "ghetto" names, but now I realize you can''t win with white people who are determined to see you as only a stereotype. I say name your kid whatever the hell you want.
- The site linked upthread is really funny.\
[quote]"It is pronounced just like it sounds." If it weren''t Dadaism would have a new leader.
- That''s Ignorant.
Michael Jackson....have you seen my chiiilllldhoooood.Shamone Heeheee
- A friend''s mother was Gladys. She said GLA-deez and she was white.
- If your six kids are Leroy when you want the right one to respond, call them by their daddy last name.
- These "ghetto" names are just screwed up versions of Caucasian names or derived from Caucasian word formation conventions. Supposedly the African people who give their children these names are trying to separate themselves from white people yet they wouldn''t even rely on actual African naming traditions instead go right to Caucasian conventions.
- There is something to be said about names. For instance if you are named "Kyle" or "Maxine, " you could be a stockbroker or an attorney. However, if you are named "Khadijah" you can run a magazine on the verge of bankruptcy; if you''re named "Synclaire," you could only get a job because the head of the failing magazine is your cousin; if you are named "Overton," you will have to unstop toilets.
- [quote]The difference between Bronwyn and Ciaran and the other names you mentioned are that Bronwyn and Ciaran are actual names, quite ancient actually (Welsh and Gaelic respectively). Kelendria and Beyonce, on the other hand, are just made up.\
Sweetie, all names are "made up". Just because some were made up before others doesn''t mean they weren''t made up. Somehow, I think you know this. It''s a little harder for people with two brain cells.
- "Ghetto names" are discriminated against because they''re associated with... ghetto culture. %0D\
It doesn''t matter whether they''re made up by the parents or ancient, how they''re spelled, beautiful or ridiculous, etc. It''s all about the association with the ghetto, and the double whammy of race discrimination and class discrimination.%0D\
- [quote]I''m black with an "acceptable" ordinary name, but I''ve learned this much, white people always have issues with blacks no matter what they''re named or what they''ve accomplished. If you''re a "ghetto" black or a college educated, professional black, they don''t like you either way and will find some way to denigrate and diminish you. I used to feel embarrassed by those "ghetto" names, but now I realize you can''t win with white people who are determined to see you as only a stereotype. I say name your kid whatever the hell you want.\
Wow, no racism here!
- I knew a set of twins named Precious and Princess.
- Names like Jaedyn and Makayela are today''s version of Destinee, Farrah and Krystal -- white trash tipoffs that mom and dad had no taste.\
But in terms of "ghetto" names: Years ago, I volunteered in a battered woman''s shelter. There was a young black woman staying there with her 6 month old son, who was adorable. I asked her what his name was.\
She said: "His name is Gloucestershire, but we call him Sir."
- I recall two sisters who used to hold clerical jobs at Chase Manhattan, Wavine and Wavola.
- I have a friend named Ciara. Ever since that RnB singer came out, people keep addressing her as "See-are-a". Drives her mad.
- Everyone knows how to pronounce Ian, except that white boy from South Orange who thinks it''s Eye-On.
- How does your friend pronounce it? "Sierra"?
Keera. I think that''s the most common pronunciation.
- No there isn''t R122 but there surely is racism here:\
[quote]I worked at two companies where HR would toss resumes in the trash if the names were "ghetto" or if the candidate went to a "black college" like Howard. This happens all the time in the business world.\
This makes me what to puke. Is there is no justice in the world? No fair play? All because of some of us adapted to the sun''s rays by producing a natural sunscreen. It''s not right.
- Why don''t they just cut to the chase and name them Onwelfareforlife?
- Wasn''t Beyonce Mrs. Knowles'' maiden name? Giving the mother''s family name to her children is an old Southern tradition. Of her nine siblings, my mother is the only one who did NOT follow this convention.%0D\
I love that way of keeping the mother''s heritage alive.%0D
- R130: Howard and the rest of the black universities are crap schools, easily third tier.
- R134 = clueless idiot
- Oh dear. You do realize that this "tier" system is only relevant to white people in the Northeast, yes? But like ghetto names, they are crap because white people in the Northeast don''t like them.
- R135: They are crap schools, most have lost or come very close to losing accredidations.
- R136: They must be relevant to blacks on the Northeast who want to attend college, because they aren''t going to the hbcus if they can get into a real college.
- Yes r138, and that is extremely shameful, disgustingly racist, and it speaks volumes about how the Northeast isn''t really all that progressive when compared to the South and other parts of the country. \
But this thread is about ghetto names so I will have the final word in that discussion.
- R139: So your opinion is blacks should attend the hbcu instead of real colleges, because otherwise those blacks are being "Uncle Toms." You do realize those schools suck, right?
- This is absolute vomit. First of all not all black folks in America are descendant of slaves.\
Secondly, it is not only blacks who name their children "creatively".\
The more people try to embrace multi culti the more race division takes place.
- This isn''t about perceived "ghetto" names. But I hate stupid spelling like "Kellee".
That is all
- Giving your child a ridiculous name is giving him a handicap.
- I knew a thread with this topic would bring out the best in people!
- r141 is right that not all black folks in America are descendant of slaves, but forgot to add that only blacks born in Africa are African-Americans.
- [quote]only blacks born in Africa are African-Americans.\
r145, you need to pay a visit to the African-American Dataloungers thread.
- It''s been reported a mother was very upset when a teacher didn''t understand that her daughter Le-a, pronounced her name Ledasha.
- [quote]Sweetie, all names are "made up". Just because some were made up before others doesn''t mean they weren''t made up. Somehow, I think you know this. It''s a little harder for people with two brain cells.\
Yes, but those that were ''made up'' long ago generally have an actual meaning in whatever language they were made up in. Whereas Beyonce and Kelendria don''t mean shit except that Mommy thinks they sound klassy.
- Beyonce''s Name Sparked Family Controversy%0D\
R B sensation BEYONCE KNOWLES is proud of her unique name, but it caused a little controversy in her family when her mother decided on it.%0D\
In 1981, while TINA KNOWLES was pregnant with the SAY MY NAME singer - her first child - she realised that her family name BEYINCE was dying. Tina is the youngest of seven children, but only one of her brothers had conceived a son.%0D\
She says, "I said, ''Oh God, we''ll run out of Beyinces.''"%0D\
But when Tina and her husband MATHEW decided to give their daughter a variant of her maiden name, her French-speaking Creole father from Louisiana, LUMIS BEYINCE, was far from impressed.%0D\
Tina admits, "My family was not happy. My dad said, ''She''s gonna be really mad at you, because that''s a last name.'' And I''m like, ''It''s not a last name to anybody but you guys.''" %0D
- They don''t need defending, though. We can name our kids what we damn well please. The standard is names that are European, no matter what kind of name it is. Benjamin, Peter>Kofi, Kembe, for no real reason other than one if African and one isn''t. There''s only the illusion of some standard, when really it''s one people/culture is seen as superior to the other. Peter isn''t exactly a handsome name, but it''d still be seen as more classy. I changed my name in my earlier 20s to identify with MY background instead of someone else''s. I''m not English (great if someone else is, but I''m not), I didn''t need an English name.
- Benjamin and Peter aren''t English names. They''re Hebrew.
- I am a 55 YO WM.\
I pre-judge people, black and white, with stupid, made-up names. \
Mostly I pre-judge their families, but the person carrying the ridiculous name as well.\
This will not change.\
- Yes, but those that were ''made up'' long ago generally have an actual meaning in whatever language they were made up in. \
Yes, they were made up in European countries and you value you that more than anything. \
[quote]There''s only the illusion of some standard, when really it''s one people/culture is seen as superior to the other. \
Yes. And these people that see the European standard as superior are racist, like r148.
- White DEVILS, they never disappoint do they? Read how proud they are of their racial superiority, because of a given name. Read how proud of throwing away black applications for any employment. Read how proud they are of their ignorance. My Black sisters and brothers don''t just read it, save it and share it, for when you are in a state of thinking they have any decency or human qualities a jolt of reality will be at hand.%0D\
If I had to deal with any white filth on a daily basis, I know for a fact....%0D
to survive, you must turn as demonic as the enemy
- A friend told me that a friend of hers is having baby and their naming it Jackson, but spelling it Jaxson. Lame. \
I once worked with a black guy named Sheldrake but it was pronounced "Cedric".
- We had a temp once with one of those crazy names. She stole our petty cash on her last day. Go figure.
- 40 years ago, girls were named Cindi, Nanci, Candi, Toni. And they dotted the i with a little circle.
- [quote]Minneapolis Police were looking for 5-year-old Wahinkpe Wade Bearnose and 7-year-old Wankiye Titus Bearnose who were last seen around 12:30 p.m. in the area of...
- [quote]I once worked with a black guy named Sheldrake but it was pronounced "Cedric".\
I think that''s an old European name. I read old British mysteries when I was a kid, and recall an old book called [italic]Spades at Midnight[/italic] ("spades" referred to small shovels at a beach to plant mortars for an incoming invasion). One of the team of soldiers was named Sheldrake, pronounced "Cedric." It was a running gag that the British soldiers would pronounce it wrong.
- White or black, if your family has a long last name use a short first name. A colleague was stuck with Gertrude Gassenheimer.
- Which is correct CEE-drick or CED-rick?
- No one in my family, immediate or extended has those kinds of names. In fact, growing up my sisters and I were constantly ridiculed for having "white" names.
- Let''s put it this way: It is a fact of life that people with stupid names are looked at as being stupid. It is a fact of life that people in charge of hiring shy away from the stupid names. It is a fact of life that black people tend to have a greater percentage of stupid names. So, they would be passed over more. Is it right? Perhaps not, but it is a reality. So, even though color is not a choice, names are. If you want your child to have a better chance in life, something non-earth shattering, like giving him/her a non-stupid name will be a tremendous asset. As the t-shirt says," Don''t hate the player, hate the game."
- I think weird names show up more in lower class families, but rich educated people can also have their silly names. I worked with a woman once whose name was Adjudica (she was white, raised upper middle class, father was a lawyer).
- My relative, Jason, married a woman whose name started with a J and they decided it would be cute to keep up the J trend. They have Joshua and Jorden. I hate the way they spelled Jordan. I work with a black woman who was disgusted when her niece named her baby Labius. I also ran into a good old boy named Wayne who named a daughter Waynetta. Total redneck. I really hate when black people take a normal name and add an La in front of it. LaCharles, LaMarqus, etc. It doesn''t make it sound French or classy folks.
- Poor whites and poor blacks have much in common. %0D\
"You Might Be a Redneck" and "You Might Be Ghetto" are virtually identical books.
- Shameeka, et al. once you reach the age of 18, change your name and broaden your options.
- Notice that no Civil Rights leader ever had a ghetto name. MARTIN Luther King, JESSE Jackson, Al Sharpton. Even MALCOLM X. Or take the examples of COLIN Powell and HENRY Louis Gates. These are all dignified names in the context of our culture. And these names reflected the content of their thinking. When Frederick Douglass and Martin Luther King fought their battles it was by using the ideas of that culture. They certainly weren't using African ideas. Giving children African names in a culture that has nothing to do with Africa in an attempt to reconnect with some mythic roots that they are only vaguely aware of and don't really exist in reality is simply a farcical lie. But it's still better than naming your child whatever stupid thing pops into your mind, which is merely an extension of your own selfish ego and an attempt to assert your own individuality at your child's expense (to be fair white people do this all the time too). At base this is a cultural issue, not a racial one. Change the names and the issue will go away by itself without reference to skin color.
- I think as population increases, we all feel like we''re "just a number". We also have celebrity culture, 24-7. We all want to stand out: be unique. If we don''t feel it ourselves, we want our children to have it... So, we name them something unique--to not be another in the pack of ordinary children... That''s really it--black or white...
- They called him Colon Bowel.
- Latrina is the most sacred of all names.
- Shequeefa Trenton-Washington%0D\
- R168 is right on.
- [quote]Qualities and nouns that parents felt described their children gave rise to names like... Omunique (pronounced I''m unique)\
- It''s one thing to come up with an original name if it''s really beautiful or meaningful, indicating your loving concern that this precious new life be given the best possible start. But if you name your kid Nixzmary, please forgive us if we don''t have the highest expectations of your parenting skills. Especially if your name''s Nixzaliz. %0D
- I work with a white guy named Leland. My boss admitted he didn''t even read his resume the first time it landed on his desk because he didn''t want to hire someone with such a "dweeby" name. When my boss finally interviewed him, he was hired immediately. He''s turned out to be a great employee.\
Now that we''re both looking for new jobs again, I''ve noticed Leland rarely has any success getting an interview. I''m considering telling him to use the first initial-middle name-last name format on his resume to overcome any anti-dweebism he may encounter from those awful HR people.
- Why can''t Leland go by Lee? I know a guy who does just that.
- We love this thread
Shaniqua, Latasha and Lagina
- Hey, R177, that''s not a bad idea. Maybe I''ll tell him that.
- Sasha and Melia.....discuss
- Malia. Not Melia.\
Sasha is a russian name.
- Why are every post doubled?
- [quote]In 2009, one of the most watched videos on Youtube was of two young men rattling off a list of "The Top 50 Ghetto Names.
I remember this one, laughed my ass off because it was hysterical. Think I'll go watch it again!
- I like those R180. I posted a link to actual Swahili names and I didn't see any Laquitas or Shaniquas. If they want tribal names at least use real ones. Latifah is on there so a big shout out to her parents.
- Back in the mid 70's the lady who had been my mother's housekeeper for 20+ years came to her one day and said her daughter was going to be having her baby soon. They were thinking of names and she wanted my mother to help her spell the name they had selected if the baby was a girl. She pronounced the names for my mother as my mother wrote them down phonetically. The names for the girl child that came off the paper were......
Sharleethia Purnia (last name Meadows)
And yes, the baby was a girl and that is exactly what they named her.
- Why are so many dead threads getting bumped?
- OP raises a good point, but to post such a statement on DL, which is dominated by batshit crazy, racist, elitist gay white males is tempting fate.
- Chav names in the UK take some beating (and they are invariably proscribed by white people).
A friend who teaches infant school had children in his class named Guy and Giselle (twins). Their mother had read the names in a novel and liked the characters so much that she named her children after them.
However, she pronounced the names as Gooey and Gizelly.
- Well, here's a funny/weird name that didn't hurt the namee...
- Biblical names are not indigenously acquired by anybody except those Jews and Muslims who claim direct descent from Abraham.
That includes a great majority of people around the world with biblical names, not just those of subSaharan African ancestry.
The same slaveowners who gave biblical names to their slaves were Europeans, whose ancient roots had nothing to do with the bible either. Their ancestors were forced into Christianity by their kings who converted their peoples, the great majority of whom were feudal serfs, tantamount to slaves, to that religion. By doing so, they took these people away from their ancient pagan gods and goddeses.
Of course this in no way changes the commendable praise for the naming of African American children in accordance with pre-Christian roots. But, relatively speaking, I don't see what the argument that their slave ancestors were forced to convert to Christianity does to support the cause.
- There are conflated issues here. Blaming people for what their parents named them is ridiculous. Throwing out resumes for racist reasons is disgusting. But none of that means an ethical person can't dislike stupid names, whether they're the white McKaighla and Kyler or the black Latrina and D'Brickashaw.
- I went to college with a girl named Lilangel. Her legal first name.
- My niece is a HS teacher. She told me recently she has 3 kids in her class who are related. The 2 boys are brothers and a girl is their cousin, although they were all raised in the same household. They were all given royal names. The 2 boys are Prince and Lord Brantley, and the girl's name is Queenie Mincey.
- My mother was first generation Irish
American. The first generation steered clear of names like Seamus, Fionula, Fergus, Siobhan, Molly. They didn't want to saddle their kids with "old country" names. There were a lot of Cathys and Pattys and Nancys, and lots of Jimmys and Dannys and Tommys.
Now the older Irish names are becoming trendier, since all the Jimmys and Cathys gave their kids names like Brendan, Kelly, Erin, and Kieran.
- "Malia. Not Melia."
Indeed. The Obamas did not name their daughter after the Spanish-owned international hotel chain.
- R49, real life is beyond parody:
- Oh my goodness, R197. Unbelievable.
- Heheheh.. I had a client named shithead... Shi-theed... Best day of my life... Who does that?
- Addin "la" "sh"" or "qu" to a name doesn't make it unique... or uniqula or shanique. Just makes it a stereotype.
- "After the Civil War, many slaves decided to reinvent their identity by making their names more unique." NOW we know where Monique got her name - 'cause it's more unique...
- Stage Name: Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Real Name: Michael King
- I'm black, I want to have kids, and I would never, EVER hobble a kid with one of those hoodrat names. I'm sorry, I just wouldn't. You can have an MBA from Harvard and if your name is Demarquis or Treyshawn, you're gonna be looked at like a fucking idiot.
I have a first and last name that is so common it's boring. In fact, when I'm on the phone with the credit card company or something they ask me if it's even real. That's just the way I like it. My mother told me once she almost named me Deshawn.
The fucking horror.
- R203, let me guess. Your name is Uncle Tom?
- Good one r204.
- "There is no excuse for giving your kid a dumb name."
What makes these names"dumb"?
"What's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." William Shakespeare.
If Europeans had pre-Christian European Names - instead of names derived from the Bible - many would be making fun of their neighbors' kids Ethelbert, Tiberius and Goneril.
But would that be valid? No, it wouldn't.
The question is why are we in love with conformity? With people only having a few recognizable names that come from hegemonic sources (in this case names derived from the bible or the few names from non-biblical sources that have continuously been in use).
Not to mention of course that anything African is labeled "ghetto" just like Yiddish names like Schmuel, Rivka and Yossi were once labeled "ghetto" Because they did come from the ghetto.
Of course, no one thinks about these things with any humility or intellectual vitality. Because we are a nation of sheep.
- Why is this shit posted on a gay message board? So a bunch of white faggots can have a laugh?
- [quote]The 2 boys are Prince and Lord Brantley, and the girl's name is Queenie Mincey.
Well, Queenie Mincey is posting at r207, it would seem.
- I'm sorry. I'm black and some of these names are flat out dumb.
Of course, for every Tarneesha, there is an Apple. Or even worse and Auto Pilot or Sunshine or Harmony. White people are just as capable of giving their children stupid-ass names. But just like everything else in US culture, when an African-American does it, it becomes pathologized.
- [quote]When a Caucasian woman with the first name "Muffie" was running for the School Board, I voted against her just because of the awful name. Skin color doesn't always matter when the name is awful.
Here in Alabama, we just had a Republican frau named Twinkle win the presidency of the state utilities board.
- Oooh r204 and r205 you are both so brilliant and edgy! No doubt you "keep it real" too, huh?
It's funny when a black person speaks the truth and the other crabs and the barrel want to bring him down with their own antiquated ideas of what "being authentically black" is.
You two losers are probably the same types that seethe when u see a black guy with a white girl, huh? Go ahead and keep it real. I'm gonna live my life. And I stand by what I think of these stupid ghetto hoodrat names and the idiots who bestow them onto innocent kids.
- Lets take the point of view that a child with an unusual or strange name got his or her name from uneducated, poor parents and that having such parents is a reflection on the child with the unusual name. Now, let's think about something else previously stated on this site: It doesn't matter whether Shaquanda, or Taesean have the same credentials as a Matthew or Jennifer, you'd pick Matthew or Jennifer simply because their mainstream names show they come from a "better background". What? If a person with an unusual name worked hard enough to get an advanced degree in spite of the circumstances surrounding his/her birth - name, family circumstance - then they've worked 2, 3, or 4 times harder than the applicant with the mainstream name. They were able to succeed educationally despite the odds. This shows that he/she has a positive attitude, great work ethic and the ability to be creative enough to surmount many obstacles. This is exactly the kind or person or personality I'd hire to take my company into the future.
- Both whites and blacks use stupid names,,agreed. But blacks have done it almost exclusively since the 1970's or so. To me this just feeds into the racial divide of making a race different in a country that blacks are very much a part of. Its like saying i hate being here so im gonna go back to my roots by changing my name. Its a little to late in the game i would say..whats done is done. Blacks have every right as whites to feel American..not African American. Until they admit or embrace that the name change and all that goes with it will continue to hold them back..in my opinion.
- [quote]Of course, for every Tarneesha, there is an Apple. Or even worse and Auto Pilot or Sunshine or Harmony. White people are just as capable of giving their children stupid-ass names. But just like everything else in US culture, when an African-American does it, it becomes pathologized.
The parents of the Lavonyas and Shitiquos think they're getting their kids acquainted with their African roots. Ask those parents to name five countries in Africa and they can't do it. If they want a connection to African roots they should have a nodding acquaintance with that part of the world. Neither the parents nor Lavonya and Shitiquo will manage that.
- R212, I agree with you that many with "ghetto" names and backgrounds work harder to achieve; that's not how most HR Managers or company owners operate. Better to give your child the best possible shot in life, and then choose a distinctive middle name if necessary.
My first, middle and last names identify me to the misinformed in 3 contradictory ways. I quietly laugh when they see me in person, and I don't look like what they expect at all. Too much time has been spent spelling my full name and correcting other's pronunciation.
I wish that people didn't make false assumptions about others, based on their name or looks. Reality is that they do.
- Why would a parent intentionally place their child in a disadvantageous position in the world by giving them a name that makes their harder from the start? If I knew that giving my child a name that would automatically eliminate him/her from employment opportunities, regardless of qualifications, then I would not do that. If you want to change the attitudes of the world, go ahead but why do it at the expense of your child? Everyone wants their kid to achieve in whatever they choose to do, so why add an extra barrier? Selfish parental thinking.
- I can't believe this thread is still up and alive when so many other, interesting threads have come and gone in the intervening THREE YEARS.
Should we have a discussion on what gets booted and what sticks around like glue on DL?
- I don't understand where this seemingly sardonic hate is coming from toward names that aren't traditional? I just browsed thru the comments and I was even more confused, ppl take things out context, ppl hear slavery or other words and immediately jump to conclusion, some ppl would have everyone think that Black ppl are some kind of alien species from the way they just point and jeer?
All humans have names, and all cultures have different histories behind why certain names are popular. Further a parent has a unique history by him or herself that no one else will ever have and therefore has his/her own attachment to words, names, references and or heroes that truly only themselves and that child may value. I like my country, but really it seems Americans just get bored or something and we just like to troll each other for reason at all, and the shit is annoying. We're talking other people's names, other people as in its NOT yours so why should matter? Why must we make these value judgements about ppl we don't know and probably won't even care about in an hour?! That's like me hating on people who a pet other than a traditional cat or dog?Why the hell is it my business? And yes the whole point I gather is the corporate system is intolerant of culture, but that what it is today... so tomorrow or in the future it may not have to be the same. Can't we just change little by little, appreciate unique and new ideas and understanding? Would that be so hard, just to be nice? And I'm not even going to mention the university prejudices... fucking ridiculous.