A couple notes about Hot in Cleveland

1. Valerie Bertinelli has gained back at least 25 lbs.%0D\ %0D\ 2. Betty White is struggling. Her timing is off for every joke. This week they barely gave her any lines -- she mostly just nodded her head.%0D\ %0D

• The show is funny due to the efforts of Wendy and Jane, and the weekly guests.

• [quote]Betty White is struggling. Her timing is off for every joke. This week they barely gave her any lines -- she mostly just nodded her head. %0D\ %0D\ %0D\ Isn''t she like in her 80s or something? Buy her a coffin already.

• But I do not think the show would be such a success if it was not for Ms. White.

• Valerie Bertinelli is one hot piece of ass.

  Just Sayin

• Val is OBESE

• "Valerie Bertinelli has gained back at least 25 lbs."%0D\ %0D\ REALLY? Oh, I can smell the sweet scent of schadenfreude from here. KFC for the house!%0D

  Kirstie A. (not my real name)

• Valerie losing all the weight and looking spectacular and gorgeous prompted her long-time boyfriend to propose marriage, and now they are getting married. %0D\ %0D\ (if they haven''t gotten married already)%0D\ %0D\ He didn''t propose until she lost the ton of weight.

• When I look at Valerie, I do NOT see a 50-year-old. Seriously, she looks fucking amazing regardless of whether or not she gained back the extra pounds.

• How could Betty White go from successfully hosting SNL (and appearing in an extraordinary number of sketches considering her age) in May to struggling on a taped sitcom just a couple months later? Is she really that bad off?

• R9, I like Betty White and I agree that she was great on SNL (despite the glut of grandma-says-a-bad-word material), but she definitely seems to be struggling in Hot in Cleveland. %0D\ %0D\ Maybe it''s that SNL was just one week and this show tapes many weeks in a row -- I don''t know, but she is slow coming in with her lines, which is made all the more obvious by the fact that everything she says is supposed to be a snappy comeback.

  OP

• I love Wendy. She is the reason I watch that show. And yeah, Valerie isn''t climbing into a bikini anytime soon. Her bf is hot.

• I agree that Valerie is a very attractive woman no matter what her weight is.%0D\ %0D\ She has always been very attractive, and does not look 50.

• Val is in her late 30''s and she looks great.

• Valerie is 50

• I love Wendie and Jane, who really know how to deliver a punchline.\ \ Why Wendie has never won an Emmy is beyond me. She''s the funniest drop-gag gal since Eve Arden.

• She is NOT 50, do the math.

• Wendie Malick is awesome

• VB was born in 1972.

• I just think it''s sad they''re doing a Golden Girls re-tread with Betty in the Estelle Getty role.

• What in the world is wrong with you, R16?%0D\ %0D\ She is 50%0D\ %0D\ see link below%0D\ %0D\ Do you not know how to look up someone''s age on the internet? How stupid

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Bertinelli

• Val was born in April 1960

• r20, do you believe everything you read on the net? geeesh!

• R18, considering that Valerie Bertinelli was a teenager when One Day at a Time began in 1975, that would have made it tough for her to be born in 1972.

• She was just a young girl.

• To #18:%0D\ %0D\ She''s 50. She''s the current cover girl for AARP magazine:

  http://www.aarp.org/entertainment/movies-tv/info-05-2010/valerie_bertinelli.html

  Mia

• And she can KICK! ''Cuz she''s 50!\ \ BTW, She looks bigger compared to Wendie and Jane who are rail thin. Val is about a size 6/8, as opposed to Wendie and Jane, both around a 2/4 and both 5''10". Val is only 5''2", so 10lbs can look like 25lbs. (I think she''s up only about 10lbs)

  TV guy

• [quote] VB was born in 1972.\ \ Yes, when One Day at a Time premiered in 1975, Barbara was the adorable baby sister\ \ In fact, one of my favorite episodes was Barbara''s first day of school. Julie hid a joint in Barbara''s lunch box and then forgot where she hid it. The kindegarten teacher found it and the infraction was placed in Barbara''s permanent record. Ann Romano had two meltdowns in that episode.

• R27 owns this thread. I find Betty to be spot on...but have only watched a few episodes.

• [quote]Valerie Bertinelli has gained back at least 25 lbs.\ \ Of course, because film gives an exact representation of the actual person. Just as Tom Cruise and Paul Newman are six feet tall on film. She has NOT gained anywhere near 25 pounds. She found the bikini body in the commercial was too thin for her. She looks amazing.

• [quote]She found the bikini body in the commercial was too thin for her.%0D\ %0D\ Oh, please -- she would sell her sould to keep that bikini body. The only reason she''s fatter is because that''s what happens 90% of the time people lose weight -- they gain at least half of it back. I read her blog on the Jenny Craig website and she admits that she''s done no exercise for months.%0D\ %0D\ Yes, the comparison to the other skinny bitches on the show makes her look even fatter, but if you watched the episode last week, you could see she had put on some serious pounds. I''m not saying she isn''t really pretty -- even beautiful -- but half of the weight is back.

• The show was worth it just to hear Betty White say "douchebag" on TV :-)%0D\ %0D\ Wendy Mallick and Jane Leaves are hysterical.%0D\ %0D\ Bertinelli has put back some weight -- but isn''t that the pint of the show? In CLEVELAND these girls with curves, and wrinkles and neuorese are STILL considered hot. Doesn''t bother me!%0D\ %0D\ I have also loved the guest appearances by Carl Reiner and Tim Conway. But hey, I just like to be entertained. I don''t watch sitcoms expecting to see ANNA KARENINA

• Valerie was 15 in 1975 when ONE DAY AT A TIME premiered. I watched her. She looked 15. She''s 50 and looks amazing, bitch!%0D\ %0D\ Betty is 88 and in great shape, but it must be difficult, regardless, at that age, to do a sitcom.

• For those who don''t think Val has put much weight back on, here is her before and after shot for Jenny Craig...

  http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mLB1Kr2lm9A/SdPiM6_t0II/AAAAAAAAARY/4R3bS4zMBDM/s400/valerie_b.jpg

• ...and here is what she looked like on this week''s episode of Hot in Cleveland.%0D\ %0D\ NOW tell me she hasn''t gained back at least half the weight!!

  http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1qsxaf&s=4

  OP

• r34 - actually that''s a photo of Jane Leeves.

• I enjoy the show. I just wish someone would get a great comic role in a better sitcom for Wendie Malick. She''s always been in stuff that''s just mediocre. It''s a shame because she really is a comic with great timing. I''d like to see her in something on HBO. She needs a character that can say go fuck yourself to someone.

• Scroll to the right, R35...

• OH and the Hal Linden episode was actually hysterical instead of just pretty good.

• Could someone please explain the premise of the show? How do they know each other and why are Val, Jane and Wendy in Cleveland? I''ve caught a few episodes and it''s okay. A lot better than most of the drek comedies out there like Two And A Half Men.%0D\ %0D\ R35, the one sitting is Jane. The one standing on the right is Val.

• yea, r38.. she is getting a little backfat.%0D\ %0D\ I blame Kirstie Alley. She is probably conjuring up some voodoo.%0D\ %0D\ Love Val.

• I disagree that Betty White is off her game on this series. I think her timing has been just as good on this as it was on SNL.\ \ It''s true that she had little to do in the most recent episode, but her character had been a focal point for a few episodes in previous weeks, and given her age, I wouldn''t be surprised if the producers built in some light weeks for her so she can do less. Those shows are grueling to do.

• I''d forgotten how bad sitcom writing is...

• I still love the ep where Victoria landed the gig peddling Japanese bladder pants.

  "Preserve Freshness of Crotch!"

• "Valerie losing all the weight and looking spectacular and gorgeous prompted her long-time boyfriend to propose marriage, and now they are getting married.\ \ (if they haven''t gotten married already)\ \ He didn''t propose until she lost the ton of weight."\ \ Sounds like he''d fit right in here at the DL.

• My experience with this show:\ \ One washed-up actress: Did your tapeworm come in yet?\ \ Other washed-up actress: No the mule was caught in customs again.\ \ *Laugh Track*\ \ Me: *click* TV Off

• Betty White is very funny on the show. She''s got great timing and isn''t struggling with her lines or delivery.

• R45, what a charmer. Please go back to The Bloomberg report.

• [quote]she is slow coming in with her lines%0D\ %0D\ What, the show is live? Surely this can be fixed in editing.

• No, R48, it isn''t live, but it IS in front of a studio audience, so they don''t film each person in separate takes unless something goes really wrong. This week, there was one spot that seemed like Betty was edited to have her come in more quickly with a line, and it was jarring. Seems like mostly they try to roll with it, but it seems to be tough for her.

• Valerie Bertinelli was born in 1972%0D\ %0D\ Wendie Malick was born in 1967%0D\ %0D\ Jane Leeves was born in 1965%0D\ %0D\ Betty White was born in 1982

• R50 thinks we were born yesterday.

• I might have been born yesterday, but I stayed up all night!

  My mom

• [quote]I enjoy the show. I just wish someone would get a great comic role in a better sitcom for Wendie Malick. She''s always been in stuff that''s just mediocre. It''s a shame because she really is a comic with great timing. I''d like to see her in something on HBO. She needs a character that can say go fuck yourself to someone.\ \ If the remake of Ab Fab had to be (and thank goodness it didn''t happen), Wendie would''ve been about the only current TV actress I can think of who could pull off an American version of Patsy.

• Remember Valerie Bertinelli in that TV miniseries, where she takes over a family empire? I thought she was one of the most beautiful women I''d ever seen, and I was a little gay boy usually paying attention to Kevin Costner.

• I haven''t watched the show, but it''s pretty funny if Betty said "douche bag." That''s the word that caused so much controversy in the Golden Girls pilot when Sophia said it. Before the show aired, NBC made them in a different word. I can''t remember if you see Estelle''s lips not being in sync with the word or whether they just inserted a shot of one of the other actresses during that line, but you can hear the audio is a bit off in that scene and the audience''s screaming reaction to Estelle''s line is out-of-proportion to the less offensive word that was edited in later.

• Wendie Malick can make any line funny.%0D\ %0D\ And funny, because I first remember her as Claire, the woman who stole Allie''s husband away, on "Kate and Allie" and that wasn''t a comedic role at all.

• And when she was on DREAM ON, which was on Showtime (?) or was it HBO (?), she cursed a blue streak and was still funnier than anything else on that show.

• R50, where do you get your info? Valerie was born in 1960.

• The show is lame.

• R58 -- R50 is obviously joking. Look at the other dates. "Betty White was born in 1982"

• OP

  http://darialois.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/bulimia.jpg

• I never missed an episode of that dreadful Just Shoot Me. Simply for Nina. It is really odd because I know a lot of people who hated the show but watched it for the same reason. Wendie and Perri Gilpin(Roz from Frazier) would have made a great ABFAB American team.

• Betty White is a national treasure. However, even she can only do so much with poor writing.

  Bee Author

• I doubt Valerie''s weight loss was the reason her boyfriend asked her to marry him, as they have already lived together for several years. Frankly, he''s the lucky one to get her as she is beautiful at 50 and has money. He''s a nice looking guy, but who the fuck is he really?%0D

• R64, I heard that SHE didn''t want to get married until she lost the weight.

• Didn''t like the latest episode (except for Joe Jonas, the Kids on the Hall guy and the Justin Bieber joke). Bette did seem a bit lost in this episode. I don''t think that she can keep up with the busy work schedule a comedy show has these days. I seem to recall she only signed up for a couple of episodes and it wasn''t planned to be a permanent gig.

• It is usually the woman who doesn''t want to get married until she loses weight

• I tuned in for the first time last week because Joe Jonas was on. It''s not a very good show and Joe Jonas had zero stage presence. What a letdown.

• While is pretty bad, it just highlights, as a vehicle for Valerie Bertinelli, that VB is a HORRIBLE actress, especially in the company of Malick, Leeves and White. When she doesn''t know what to do she tries to be cute. It doesn''t work and I don''t believe a single thing that comes out of her mouth.

• I think Betty is great and her timing is sharp. Project much?\ \ It''s a funny diversion. I like it.

• Valerie Bertinelli sucks as an actress

• Valerie is always stuck in a time warp. She has always had that 1970''s hairstyle and she wears clothes that are circa, 75-76. What is with her?

• betty white is 28 years old?%0D\ %0D\ nice info R50

• I eat my own feces and rape grandmothers.

  R5/13/16/18/22/24

• Have they realized yet Cleveland isn''t the eden they thought it was?

• hello

• Just was watching an episode from season 2. Val looks great for w woman of 40, much less the 52 that she is.

• Valerie still looks very good.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DIdVu9TbBtRY

• She was "cute" when she started on "One Day At A Time," but only in that adolescent way and she hadn't really grown out of her baby fat. But by the time the series ended, she was drop-dead gorgeous, and of course that was a huge contrast with her sitcom sister.

• It's not that Val isn't attractive, but the actress who played her sister on "One Day at a Time" would give me an instant boner.

  John%20Phillips

• I personally think that all of you are rude and the person who said Betty White needs to be in coffin is far by the slut of the group! I hate people like you , that's why the World is crazy and does not work because of ass holes like you! Grow up and know the great actresses, don't wish them demise. I pray for your kind, it will bring us all down! God have Mercy on you ! nd who cares what ? Val has gained she is still a great actress ! Screw you

  Bryson%20Woods

• Betty White seems like really old.

• Betty White has sizemeat.

  Rue%20M.

• Like Ms. White needs me to defend her bur here I go. Shes over 90 fucking years old and she's still working. Like any of you CUNTS will ever reach her magnitude. A world with her is by far a better world than without her. You should kiss the groind she walks on.

• Easy now R84

• Valarie is the Yoko Ono of Van Halen.

• Some of these posters need to relax. The idea that some queen goes ballistic over a comment about Betty White is funny and sad as hell.

• Show is stretching credibility that they're all getting hot, young boyfriends.

• R86 - No, she was not.

• R84 Ouch! Whose groin is she walking on?

• ALL OF YOU ARE IDIOTS ! VALERIE BERTINELLI WAS BORN IN APRIL OF 1960! SHE WILL SOON BE 53.

  LINDA THOMPSON

• ALL OF YOU ARE IDIOTS ! VALERIE BERTINELLI WAS BORN IN APRIL OF 1960! SHE WILL SOON BE 53.

  LINDA THOMPSON

• Love some of the guests, like Juliet Mills as Jane Leeve's mother.

• Calm down R91