Best: "Yes, We Have No Havanas" Blanche and Sofia compete for Fidel Santiago\
Worst (not including the Rita Moreno episode because that was a spinoff): Rose''s blind sister comes to visit
Worst: The girls go to a "resort" and get lost with three college kids. It sucked.
Best: The Danny Thomas is a lesbian episode. %0D\
Worst: Henny Fucking Penny. Oh, Jesus, I hate that episode like Betty hated Bea.
Worst: Mr. Terrific.%0D\
I only found made the connection recently that the actor playing Mr. Terrific is the same guy who was going to be Maude''s son-in-law in the "All in the Family" pilot for "Maude."
Worst: the one where they visit a homeless shelter and learn a valuable life lesson. God, that one just sucked.
The worst episodes usually centered around Sophie and some old fart she befriended who was either homeless or wanted to off themselves. Stick with the comedy and leave the social commentary to "Family".%0D\
The biggest laugh I ever got from the show was when the girls were preparing to go on a whoring cruise and they try to stock up on condoms in a pharmacy. The reactions when the clerk calls out for the price on said condoms were priceless.
Worst: Any "heartwarming" Sophia-centered episode. I just never found that obnoxious little Sicilian dwarf very sympathetic.%0D\
Best: Hard to pick just one, but my favorite is the one where Rose cons Dorothy and Blanche into the lesbian panel discussion.
R6, I foprgot all about that lesbian panel epsiode! I love that one! Anyone know what the name of that episode was? The stupid DVDs list title only--no summaries. I hate hwo the DVds were packaged, as if everyone knows the episode titles (that never even appeared on-screen in the first place).
I think it was "Goodbye, Mr. Gordon", R7.
For me, the worst one was the two parter where Dorothy had fatigue syndrome or some such bullshit. Bea stunk up the joint trying to act vulnerable and sickly...feh.%0D\
I loved the one where they had the flu and were supposed to go to the big banquet.
[quote]Worst: the one where they visit a homeless shelter and learn a valuable life lesson. God, that one just sucked.\
I hate that one too, although we must remember the context, they were still in Ronald Reagan''s America.
Thank you, R8!
Best: Henny Penny. LOVE hearing those talented ladies get a chance to sing. It''s a rare treat.%0D\
Worst: The Rita Moreno episode. Or the one when the girl next door gets pregnant.
But at least in the homeless shelter episode, we got to see the hot Joey Lawrence.
Best: The Fidel Santiago episode is killer; the one with Stan and Dorothy pretending to be married for Father Angelo and the hurricane comes is also howlingly funny\
Worst: More votes for Rita Moreno, the homeless shelter, chronic fatigue, and the pregnant teen. Captain Terrific is also painful.
"Grab That Dough" and "The Case of the Libertine Bell" tied as best.\
Hands down worst: the Rita Moreno episode.\
Any episode where one of their kids or siblings came for a visit. The acting by the guest stars was always uniformly awful.
I second "Libertine Belle". The girls embroiled in a murder mystery weekend had some hilarious lines.\
The episode about Dorothy''s brother Phil''s funeral was not one of the more funny ones.
I should have signed my post "Doroshee".\
Really go back and look: Rita Moreno is SO bad in this role, she gets nervous and continues to pronounce it "Doroshee". \
But the chronic fatigue was pretty sad: Bea''s eye was all crooked and made her look like a witch when she was obviously reading her lines in the restaurant after having told-off her doctor.
Promise Me You''ll Never Die George
The homeless one was done to coincide with a whole bunch of homeless stories on most of the TV shows during that week. I understand that it was done at the request of the President to bring attention to the homeless problem. If you were a fan of "Mama''s Family", you might remember they did one too. Mama got thrown in jail and found out her cousin was in there because she had lost the farm.
Why was Phil buried in Florida, anyway?
One of the funniest: When Blanche''s daughter announces she was to be impregnated and they visit a sperm bank.%0D\
One of the worst: The one where Sophia buys a boxer. %0D\
A side note: I always liked the Mr. Terrific episode.
R19, what did Mama do to get thrown in jail? Steal from the Food Circus?
To save on set design, R20.
I love the Fidel Santiago episode. Sophia''s one liners are great--"beat it, you 50 year old mattress!" %0D\
I like the one where the girls take in the pregnant teenaged neighbor, because the B-plot is great--Blanche''s prison pen pal gets out of jail and comes looking for her. %0D\
The one where Sophia and Rose break Sophia''s friend out of Sunny Pastures is good, too.%0D\
I don''t like the Mr.Terrific one or the Homeless shelter one. The episode with Blanche at the center of a political scandal is dumb too, and the episode with Mickey Rooney as Sophia''s boyfriend always feels off to me.
Best: "Journey to the center of attention," the one where Dorothy and Blanche compete for male attention at the Rusty Anchor, in season 7. Bea sings two songs, and Rue delivers her finest comedic performance.\
Can the whole run of "The Golden Palace" count for worst moment?
I hated those stupid episodes with Dreyfus the dog. %0D\
I liked the one where Dorothy''s lesbian friend (Lois Nettleton) gets the hots for Rose.
Anything that was a tie-in to that awful Empty Nest was a drag on the show.
Here''s the "lesbian lovers of Miami" scene. This is one of the best they ever did.
The episode where they all perform in "Our Town" called "The Play" was great. It played on Bea''s mannish appearance and voice and Rue''s flat chest. I love that they all slept with the actor, as well.%0D\
Bea Arthur said in a interview that the best pisodes were the ones directed by Terry Thomas. All the good ones listed here were directed by him. Also, the last couple of seasons were pretty bad. Estelle Getty was having a lot of trouble remembering her lines
I loved every episode Stan was in, he was such a douche it was hilarious. And he and Bea had great chemistry.
The main storyline of "Second Motherhood"-- Blanche thinks the man she''s seeing just wants her around to watch the kids is kind of lame--, but the B-storyline where Dorothy and Rose install a toilet makes it my favorite episode.
What really sucks about the homeless shelter episode is that more than a quarter of a century later the problem is even worse and even fewer people care. %0D\
Btw, that episode always leaves me in tears.%0D\
R10, we''re still living in Reagan''s America. It''s the gift that keeps on taking. Things for the poor are much worse now than they were back then and there are many more homeless, including entire families than back then. %0D
What R4 said. The homeless shelter episode was the worst one ever and painfully, clichedly preachy and boring.\
Grab That Dough is priceless. The line where the host goes "Why don''t you both shut up and answer this next question!" without dropping a single note in his jaunty, game-show host voice makes me LMAO every single time. Not quite as funny but still hilarious is the line "And you get the home version of Grab That Dough, which attaches to ANY vacuum cleaner." \
And then this:\
Guy Corbin: An electric skillet! It fries, it bakes, it broils, it simmers-\
Dorothy: IT STINKS!!!
Dorothy and Stan hold up in the hospital while Sophia is sick is tied with Blanche''s misbehaving nephew and Dorothy''s son-in-law cheating for the WORST. That''s ONLY if we are disqualifying the "spin-off" episode. The best is the mystery weekend one. SO many laughs, just great. Well, the dance contest episode is awesome too! The high school reunion one is great also.
The Worst: Miles in the Witness Protection Program and a majority of the season seven episodes.%0D\
I''d take the Rita Moreno pilot anyday over those stinkers.
r29 the play was Picnic.
Best: the last one, because it was the last one.%0D\
Worst: all of them.
I agree withn r31...Bea was at her best in the Stan episodes. Those two had great chemistry together. RIP Bea and Herbert.
I hate the Blanche/Political one too. As if she raped that guy (who she didn''t sleep with at all) but they acted like if she had it was ALL HER FAULT.
Thanks asshole at r38, I almost forgot. I HATED the last episode and they always show them together so since they''ve cut back on GG episodes there goes my whole GG portion of the evening. The goodbye was sweet, though.
I don''t know who the hell thought Joey Lawrence was in the homeless shelter episode, but he wasn''t. And for all you haters of the chronic fatigue syndrome 2 parter-you''re forgetting Rue''s sublime performance as the tortured would-be author-an absolute tour-de-force comic performance.
Joey Lawrence was the homeless college grad.
Since Joey Lawrence was all of 12 years old at the time that episode aired(1988), he must be a much better actor than anyone of us realized. That was only one year after "Gimme a Break" ended and 2 years before "Blossom" began.
Best: Too many to name\
Worst: Rita Morena ep, pregnant teen ep, Sophia sponsoring a boxer ep, and Girls in a homeless shelter ep
Didn''t Barbra Streisand do the version of "Brother, can you spare a dime" at the end? At the time, the rumors were that she sang it but wanted to remain anynomous, as she didn''t do television, but was such a big fan of the show.
When I was a teenager, I raped Minnie Pearl''s dead body!
Best: The one where they go on the game show...I think it''s called "Grab That Dough"\
Worst: The one where the focus is on some rich bitch who daughter has just left for college. I think it was intended to be the pilot episode for "Empty Nest."
Best: "Goodbye Mr. Gordon"\
Wake Up Miami... Dorothy...A lesbian. Blanche... A lesbian\
Worst: Mary Has A Little Lamb\
Who was this Mary girl that just popped up as a pregnant teen out of nowhere... no thanks.. hated that episode!
Best: Lesbian talk show!%0D\
Worst: Homeless shelter! %0D\
And stick a sock in your sentimental sobbing, R33, that episode sucked donkey dong. In fact, the only thing that could have saved it was if someone HAD sucked donkey dong.
I don''t know if this qualifies as the worst, but the episode that I thought was unbelievably awful was the one where the girls are in a dance competition. You put an athletic stunt double in a wig and dress, and we''re supposed to believe that a 65-year-old Betty White is able to do cartwheels, somersaults, and the splits? Seriously? Insulting...
Rue actually had some great moments near the end of the show''s run. Her Fabulous Baker Boys parody on the piano stills holds up well today, and that wonderful episode where she met a man who not her usual type and wanted to go slow (played by Ken Howard). Her last moments in the final scene are just heartbreaking (in a good way). If the producers hadn''t made such a stupid decision to try and spin the show off, THAT''s how we should have last seen Blanche (with a man, that is): meeting an old=fashioned man who made her feel "like a lady".
Correct me if I''m wrong, but I think Bea Arthur read more off cue cards than Estelle Getty did (or so it seemed just watching the last two seasons).
Best: When Stan and Dorothy almost remarry. I believe it''s a two-parter with some wonderful dialogue. It has Sophia sticking her head in the microwave to try and kill herself, Rose installing a barking dog doorbell and a very gay wedding planner that tells Dorothy not to walk down the aisle like Godzilla.\
Worst: When Blanche''s overweight daughter visits. The fat jokes are really tasteless.
BEST: Early episode where the Girls are robbed and Rose freaks and buys a gun. Funny story about Blanche macing herself at the police station. Also the one where that girl scout holds Rose''s stuffed teddy bear, Fernando, for ransom!\
WORST: The Day In The Life of Sophia one where she plays with a jazz band, visits the kid in the hospital, etc... Also the one where she marries that old guy and they open a cafe up on the beach.\
I liked the Mr. Terrific one, too. Bea is hilarious when she is hosting and that puppet is insulting her!
The entire run of Golden Palace is worse than any one of these GG episodes you all have named as the worst.\
What''s amazing is how often GG hit it out of the park and how well the show holds up over repeated watchings.
Best: Yes, We Have No Havanas, Dorothy''s New Friend (Barbara Thorndyke), the one where Rose dates a little person, and of course, Jean falling for Rose.\
Worst: homeless shelter, Dorothy dating the lawyer turned clown.
Really r55? I was coming to say that I thought the robbery episode was one of the worst of the series. Rose SHOOTING A GUN IN THE DARK. It was all so ridiculous, I just really did not like her in this episode. I also didn''t care for the acting in this episode they were still shouting their lines like they did back in old 70s sitcoms.\
The first half of season 1 isn''t as timeless as the rest of the seasons.\
Best episode--Case of the Libertine Bell, and the episode (Something about a curse) where they attend the wedding of Dorothy''s goddaughter. My god, they were all on FIRE with the line deliveries, even Estelle. \
"There''s a fine line between having a good time and being an obvious, wanton slut. I know, my toe has been on that line."
The worst was just replayed. It has maybe Suzanne Pleshette (no clue, I could be wrong) as the neighbor married to Harry Weston and a weird ass brother. It was horrible.
r59, it was Rita Moreno, her husband wasn''t Harry Weston, and the weird ass brother had multiple disassociative disorder, which is just a brilliant idea for weekly comedy (dripping sarcasm).
The best one is when they got stuck in the house during a hurricane with Stan and the priest relative from Sicily. At one point Blanche and Rose were dressed as nuns, with Blanche saying to the priest: "We''re collecting lingerie for needy sexy people."
BEST: Hands down, A LITTLE ROMANCE, where Rose is dating the midget. \
SOPHIA: "Dorothy, that guy over there...is he a midget?"\
DOROTHY: "Yes, ma, he is."\
SOPHIA: "Thank god, for a minute I thought I was having another stroke!" \
And although there were some episodes I didn''t like as much as others, the show was almost always funny, and almost pitch perfect which is saying a lot considering how many shows they used to do back then. It really has stood the test of time. I still watch them and even after seeing them probably hundreds of times by now, I still laugh.
It is truly a ridiculous episode, but I love the one-liners in the Trudy episode.\
My least favorite is the one where they think Sophia is having a heart attack and are waiting for the ambulance. There is hardly a laugh in the whole episode.
Worst easily was the Rita Moreno crap. It really can''t even be counted thought, so runner-up for me is the homeless shelter one, although the first half is fine.\
Best - my favorites are (in no particular order):\
Dorothy on Jeopardy (it was just on!)\
Rose dates the midget\
The two-parter about the Hurricane, when Stan has the monkey.\
Lesbian Lovers of Miami.\
The Murder Mystery.\
I actually like the last couple of seasons better than the early ones. I''ve heard stories about Estelle not being able to remember her lines, but I never really noticed anything.
You can tell Estelle is reading off cue cards in some scenes during the last couple of seasons. Bea said the rest of the cast used to get pissed with her because of it, and they didn''t know about her dementia until after the show ended.
53: Bea Arthur didn't read off cue cards. She was trained in the theater and known as a hard-core professional. It was one of the reasons she didn't like Betty White. She felt White was always goofing around. Another reason: Betty had a sharp tongue, and Bea was surprisingly sensitive to criticism, even when it was meant for laughs. For instance, when Bea went up on her lines, Betty liked to rub it in and laugh. She wasn't being mean; that was just her way. Betty has recently been promoting her book and, when asked about Bea, says she loved her but wasn't liked in return because she was too "happy" for Bea. It's true that Bea didn't like Betty and didn't like people she felt were insincere or, more accurately, unctuous. But she really didn't like Betty because underneath the sweetness, Betty could sometimes be bitchy and pointed some of her barbs at Bea, particularly when she realized how much they stung Bea. Also, Bea thought of herself as the star of the show and received the salary and treatment a star would ordinarily get. (Just look at the opening credits and see that Bea is in every clip that isn't just a close-up of her co-stars under their names. Also look at where they sit in the kitchen; it's always Bea straight ahead and the others around her.) When, starting from the first season, Betty's popularity exceeded hers, Bea was a little jealous. But mainly it was Betty's barbs.
By the way, Bea was an unusually nice -- soft-spoken and soft-acting. She was probably the most caring of the group. She was nothing like the characters she played. Actually they were all nice, but I think Bea was liked best by the crew, the writers, and the directors, especially Terry Hughes, who felt privileged -- he used to say that -- to direct her.
One other thing: the moments when Dorothy would get frazzled, usually with Sophia, were the ones that would rock the set and force re-dos from unwanted laughter. I remember one scene in particularly when Monte Markham, as Blanche''s brother, comes home with his boyfriend to tell Blanche he wants to get married. I don''t remember the lines exactly -- I haven''t seen the show in many years -- but they''re something like this. \
Blanche''s brother: "Doug would do anything for me; he''d bend over backwards." \
Dorothy (on the couch with Sophia, putting one hand over Sophia''s mouth to prevent her from saying anything offensive and squeezing her tight with the other arm): "Sometimes I just need to hug my mommy." \
It wasn''t just the line, but the way Bea delivered it -- as a half-deranged little girl. They had to play that scene three times because everyone, except Bea and Estelle, broke up.
If I''m not mistaken Bea admitted reading off of cue cards in one of the seasons because she was having alcohol issues at the time. Watch the speech she gives the doctor in the restaurant and it is obvious she is reading off cards.
Sorry, r66, but Bea did read off cue cards in many moments from the later episodes - you can actualy see her looking off the set and reading, but she reads well and it doesn''t come off as phoney, but she is doing it. The confrontation with the doctor in the restaurant comes to mind, as well as the time she had to quote Puck from A Midsummer Night''s Dream. I''ll try and find some examples on some YT episodes.
Funny, r58, I actually prefer the first season (and the second) to all the rest. Oh well, to each his own.
This is exactly what I mean by DL''s violent misogyny, and if you don''t intervene against it, you are acting in favor of it:\
"Ann Coulter is responsible for that horrible stench that emanates from her dried up gash wherever she goes."\
Your violence against women helps kill queer teens.\
Ann Coulter''s stupidity has nothing to do with her body parts.\
Stop the violence.\
Stop the hate.\
It''s killing us.
"The main storyline of "Second Motherhood"-- Blanche thinks the man she''s seeing just wants her around to watch the kids is kind of lame--, but the B-storyline where Dorothy and Rose install a toilet makes it my favorite episode."%0D\
My favorite too, and while the B-plot is definitely the winner- "Plumber." "Can I see some identification?" "A little girl selling Girl Scout toilets." "I''m with Lou." "Oh? Well, get your coat, Lou''s leaving." "Our biggest worry will be tank sweat"- the A-plot, beside a charming performance by Kevin McCarthy, is responsible for my single favorite GG joke ever, one that still makes me literally LOL: "Little Richard was in Bermuda??" "Yes, Rose. He was burying Fats Domino in the sand."%0D\
Any Stan episode is great. And I agree with the poster who said the chronic fatigue two-parter is redeemed by Rue''s literal fatigue meltdown. The bit with the egg yolks is a howler.
BEST: "Dorothy's New Friend" (The Barbara Thorndyke episode)
The best episode is where sit around eating cheesecake and tell stories.
The worst episode is when they are out on the lanai telling stories. The lanai stories sucked the meat.
The last episodes are awful, mostly because Bea ending up with Leslie Nielsen made very little sense.
One of my favorites is when Blanche goes to Atlanta to see the house that's about to be demolished. I usually hate when GG got emotional, but it actually added some depth to Blanche.
I wonder if GG Insider still posts on Datalounge and can tell more stories.
It's interesting how after years later hearing more and more about Bea Arthur's relationship with Betty White not being so great, you can see it in the shows. Bea and Rue are always hugging, having little genuine moments with each other, just more affectionate and connected. Which probably comes from playing best friends on TV for around 14 years. Bea does not have that same chemistry with Betty. There's very few episodes when Dorothy is kind to Rose, except whenever Rose has some health crisis.
I never noticed it during the original run, but I certainly do now.
Bea wanted the role of Sofia, but didn't get it. Then she wanted to be Rose but lost it as well as the role of Blanche.
It was Rue who talked Bea, more liked begged since she had no career, her to do it. Rue was like, "I'll have to do Mama's Family, MAMA'S FUCKIN' FAMILY!"
I hope so R77, I'd love to hear more stories from the insider.
To concur with myself (r 62) even the WORST GG episodes have some funny moments and are likely even more funny than sitcoms today. The Rita Moreno episode was a pilot for a spin-off and it SUCKED. Anything crossing-over with Empty Nest sucked, but there were MANY amazing episodes that still have HYSTERICAL lines that hold up very well, for instance:
I forgot what episode it was but maybe the one where Dorothy was dating the priest and she said something along the lines, "I'm sorry, father, I'll say Hail Mary's until Madonna has a hit movie."
Or the one where Rose was convinced she saw a UFO and Dorothy just thinks it's a plane.
ROSE: "But Dorothy, a plane isn't that thin or that bright..."
DOROTHY: "Neither is Oprah Winfrey but it doesn't make her a UFO."
And of course the high school reunion was genius, not to mention where the girls have their heads frozen but only Sophia gets a body. "You mean, you didn't tip the guy?"
As far as Bea and Betty hating each other, I've never believed that. When Bea was touring with her one woman show, Betty White showed up to opening night in LA to support her. I think it is just more likely that Rue and Betty were close, having been on Mama's Family together, and Bea and Rue were close from Maude, and Bea and Estelle grew very close during the filming of the show, it's just that Betty and Bea didn't mesh as well. Also, think about your own work situations--in mine, most of the women HATE each other, so it's no surprise if 4 women who spent hours and hours together for years weren't the best of friends away from work.
And also, this is an AMAZING clip with Betty White from last year just prior to the auction of Rue McClanahan's estate. It's very sweet because Rue had apparently kept all of Betty White's cards and letters that she sent her over the years. There's some good behind the scenes stuff
Lots of great episodes but one of the LOL funny episodes was a flashback episode with Dorothy having her bday party at a childrens ice cream place with and being in a birthday march with a bunch of five year olds. Rose had made the party plans.
Least favorite episode: Dorothy arranges for Sophia to stay in nursing home for a few days. The director of the home is supposed to make Sophia think she is the Social Director.
[quote]episode (Something about a curse) where they attend the wedding of Dorothy's goddaughter. My god, they were all on FIRE with the line deliveries, even Estelle.
Hey! I was in the studio audience for that episode!
The episodes with Miles are the worst.
Bad one: the GG volunteer at a soup kitchen on Christmas and Stan shows up in the line dressed as Santa.
Good one: The GG compete in a dance marathon.
Best one: Liberty Belle.
"We have had a who and a why and a HA!"
Best: the one with Mr Ha Ha
Worst: the one with Julio Iglesias
You guys suck, it's classic TV. Betty didn't hate Bea.. And how could you watch the show and not love Sophia? You're just bashing the show because you have nothing better to do.
My favorite was the one where they go away for a murder mystery weekend.
My least favorite, not counting the horrid Rita Moreno episode, was the one where Sophia's friend wants to commit suicide.
BEST: "Isn't It Romantic?" (The episode where Dorothy's lesbian friend wants to scissor Rose)
He's a priest isn't he.
WORST: Any Miles episode. I can't believe no one's yet mentioned the cop out episode where Rose thinks Blanche slept with Charlie. Most episodes from the later seasons. "Henny Penny". Any Sophia episode.
BEST: "Libertine Belle". Almost all of seasons 3 and 4.
I violently hate the episode with the boxer, who immediately makes it into Juilliard AND gets a standing O from the audition panel simply for launching into a horribly acted bit of "The Merchant of Venice" after being goaded by the girls into what would probably best be described as a sitcom's idea of a schizoid episode.
Love the lesbian talk show, especially the two lesbians who "don't like labels."
The first season had a few too many family episodes for me and those were always my least favorite episodes.
One episode I really like is the one where Blanche dreams her husband is alive. The episode is silly ("Sonny Bono, get off my lanai!") but the ending is touching where Blanche says that in this version of the dream, she finally got to hug him.
I'm still waiting for an explanation as to who exactly "Gina" belongs to familywise. The parents say that there is no way that after blood tests were taken that she is their bambina and she isn't Sophia's kid, so who are the lucky parents?
Episodes I won't watch:
Sophia's day out.
Blanche's fat daughter comes for a visit. Just awful and so unfunny.
Blanche's grandson visits.
Rose's blind sister visits.
I hate Mr. Terrific and he would also have made a lousy son-in-law for Maude.
I love the episode where they all get sick at the same time right before the "Social event of the season" (Friends of good health award?)
We cannot forget Count Bessy the chicken. Classic.
The insults between Sophia and her sister Angela were always hysterical.
[quote]Blanche's grandson visits.
I don't recall Blanche having a grandson. What was the plot of that episode?
I actually kind of like the Chicken Little/Henny Penny episode. (With Broadway star George Hearn!)
Count me as another vote for Libertine Belle for Best Ep.
It doesn't matter how many times I see it, I crack up when Dorothy uses Sophia to demonstrate how to cut someone's neck.
r98, Blanche's grandson is a punk (I think his name is David?). He gets caught up with the wrong crowd while visiting in Miami, Sophia slaps him for sass talking, in the end he confesses to being unhappy at home because his parents ignore him. Blanche invites him to live with them if things don't improve at home.
[quote]I don't recall Blanche having a grandson. What was the plot of that episode?
I believe it was the first season. Billy Jacoby(aka Billy Jayne) from "Parker Lewis Can't Lose" and "Just one of the Guys" played her obnoxious, mouthy grandson. He was so bad that Sophia slapped him. Later we find out the he's that way because his parents are emotionally neglectful towards him. A bit of trivia, Billy's brother, Scott Jacoby, would later appear in the series as Dorothy's son Michael.
I just saw the Homeless Shelter episode and at first I thought it was Joey Lawrence talking to Blanch. But I said to myself, "Joey wasn't old enough in 1988 to play a graduate student, was he?" So, I looked up his birth date and he was born in 1976. So either he was the most mature 12 year old on earth or he has a doppleganger.
I was wondering about the Jacoby/Jayne business and read that they are half brothers. Scott's name is Jacoby, but Billy's father was a Mr Jayne.
Scott broke into show business first and then along came Billy and their mother thought it would be better for Billy to use Jacoby instead of his real last name. Billy changed it back to Jayne a while ago.
Billy turned into quite the handsome man as he aged. He directs big budget commercials now.
Worst: naturally the Rita Moreno episode ranks #1. When it comes on I change the channel.
I dont like the Moonlight Madness 2-parter, either. Couldn't stand when Empty Nest characters infiltrated GG.. especially whiny Carol.
I absolutely love season 2's episode with Mr. Burt Reynolds where the girls get arrested for prostitution. Probably my favorite episode. One of the funniest scripts of the entire series.
Mr. Terrific and the Rita Moreno episode are the two worst.
No one brought up the one where Dorothy's son wants to marry the slightly older black lady, and they come to the house and everyone argues about it late at night, and Rose and Blanche are wearing facial scrub masks.
That one was just on this past week, r107. Although honestly, you could probably say that about any of them.
Surprised there isn't more love on this thread for the Mr. Burt Reynolds episode; I think that's one of the very best. One of the funniest stories, with hilarious dialogue, and that great ending.
Season 1 has a high number of episodes I skip through on the DVDs because they stress me out:
The one where Dorothy's boyfriend Dr. Elliot Clayton hits on Blanche, because I hate the anger and tension between Dorothy and Blanche
The one with the robbery, because Rose is so manic in her terror
The one with Rose's mother I don't necessarily skip through, but it still stresses me out how Rose is so condescending with her mother and how infuriated her mother gets with her
The one where they think Sophia is having a heart attack, obviously, because it's non-stop anxiety and tension and fear
The one where Gloria wants Sophia to move to California, because Sophia seems to hate Dorothy for most of the episode
The one about Kirsten and Rose's will, because I hate the thought of Rose having such a shallow, money-obsessed cunt for a daughter
The one with Rose's blind sister Lily, because I can't take the anguish in Polly Holliday's voice when she breaks down
And most of all the one I avoid like the plague: the one where Rose gets laid off, because the way Dorothy berates Rose with "Rose, you've been unemployed for over a WEEK now!" like that's the most unspeakably horrible length of time in the world - and I've been unemployed for over a year now!
Me and a couple of the guy are gonna go thru Don Johnsons trash, wanna come with?
Any social agenda show ( Aids test, homelessness, chronic fatigue).
Despite being a Very Special Episode, the one about Phil's funeral is kind of nice. Estelle does a nice job at the end with a vulnerability I don't think they ever asked her to show throughout the rest of the series.
Just about anything from the fifth season on, when they got a brand new writing/producing team, was inferior. Barring some real clunkers (Rita Moreno, Mr. Terrific, Homeless Shelter), most of the episodes from the first four seasons were pretty terrific IMO.
[quote]The one where Dorothy's boyfriend Dr. Elliot Clayton hits on Blanche, because I hate the anger and tension between Dorothy and Blanche
If you skip over this episode, then you miss this hilarious scene:
I couldn't buy the gambling episode. Dorothy was too smart to get hooked like that. She would never have skipped a job interview just to bet on the horses. I just don't buy it. Same thing with her smoking...
I think the Moonlight Madness episode is one of the worst, too. I usually skip it.
Best--Too many to post. I have a fondness for the Christmas episode where it snows in Miami at the end while they're at a diner. My favorite line is when Dorothy is trying to figure out what the homemade gift is that Rose gave her. She at first says it's a wooden brooch in the shape of a turkey's head. When Rose tells her it's a maple syrup spigot, Dorothy replies, "Great. This will come in handy next time I'm trapped in the woods with a stack of pancakes." Perfect delivery from Bea as usual.
The saddest was the Alzheimers episode.
The best: they get arrested as hookers; Blanche is scared to fly because of a premonition; girl holds Fernando for ransom; Blanche chains herself to the radiator in her childhood home which is going to be demolished
Worst: Bea dates an actor from Beatlemania; Bea and Stan are nabbed as slum landlords
Really good - Frieda Claxon
In the abstract, I could buy a former smoker like Dorothy (who had gotten addicted before the danger was known, when it wasn't an issue of being smart) falling back into the habit during a time of extreme stress (although why she found her mother's marriage to Max so extremely stressful is a little harder to understand...).
But I agree the gambling one is hard to buy. For one thing, it never shows you Dorothy getting any sort of high out of the gambling, so you don't really understand why it has the power to take over her life.
we also forget to mention the episode with Mel Bushman, the fabulous Alan King. He and Rue were great together. Re Herbert Edelman, he and Bea Arthur were close. I forget the full quote she gave at the time he died but it was something to the effect of him being a very deep and talented man, nothing like the character he played.
So hard to believe that most of them are gone...not only the girls but numerous guest stars as well.
One of my favorite episodes is "The Housekeeper" from season 3. The girls think the new housekeeper put a curse on them. Sophia gives one of my all-time favorite GG lines:
"What are we celebrating, did The Supremes get back together?"
Woah, woah, woah... "Sick and Tired" (Chronic Fatigue episode) has one of Blanche's best scenes. Her delirium after staying up 72 hours is hilarious. That scene automatically puts those two episodes (pt 1 & 2) in my top ten.
That being said:
Best: "A little Romance"
Worst: (Not counting Empty Nest) "Mary has a little lamb"
R29, it was "Picnic" not "Our Town"
Favorite line. When Blanche dates the guy in a wheelchair and she brings Sophia as her chaperone mother: "We was poor."
Second favorite: the wedding planner calling Dorothy "Stretch." And the fact that he had a wife.
Silliest episode: Rose being addicted to pills. Really?
Rocco Reed is and always will be the best MILF chaser around.
can't believe the Freida Claxton episode didn't get a mention until r121.
Best: "Ladies of the Evening" (when they were arrrested for prostitution) or the "Valentine's Day" anthology episode (CONDOMS, ROSE! CONDOMS!)
Worst: Rose's blind sister. Boring and not funny at all.
The worst episode was when Dorothy claimed she only had three months to live, but then was alive over a year later.
I mean what kind of a pathetic loser pretends to have a dying illness?
Rose SHOULD have taken care of her blind sister. She came off as uncaring in this eppy.
Of course Flo needed training for the blind but her sister Rose should have been closer to her in her darkest hour.
Best: I believe it's the last epsisode of season 1 when they flashback to how they met and Rose tells the story about the herring circus. Makes me laugh every time.
Worst: the one where they all lustily chase after the portrait painter. Yeeeaaugggh!
Best: Not Another Monday (mainly bc I love that old lady who wants to kill herself. And Rose's St. olaf story about the nurse tricked by an evil ventriloquist).
I can't remember the name, but when Sophia becomes friends with an Alzheimer's victim at the beach. Funny & sad.
I also love the Murder Mystery weekend, just because it's so camp & ridiculous.
Worst: Pepe the Boxer, that homeless episode we've mentioned to death already, the mother's day episode & all the clip shows. Especially that President Bush one. What a waste of time that was.
Speaking of camp, that's why I love so much of season 7. There's a very Will & Grace element to it all, and you either love that kind of thing or you don't. It also became more like a 90s show - the humor became fresher and more ahead of its time. .
Among my other favorites: The Monkey Show and the Ebbitde with Dorothy/Stan as slumlords. The latter is probably the most mean spirited show they ever did and I loved every minute of it. And it has Lane Davies, what more could you ask for?
I'm surprised DL has never had a thread about him. Whatever happened to his career, anyway? He was on that Susan Harris shw with Teri Garr that lasted I think four episodes, then this guest spot, then....poof!