I was watching an old "Road" movie and the thought hit me that Hope must have been gay. Maybe that is why he followed the Hollywood party line so well( He was a Republican, very John Wayne in his thinking)- he knew he could lose his career. I know he was married- but all of their children are adopted- and that was common thing to do( Cole Porter, Rock Hudson). I have never been a great fan- but I just wondered.
I knew a masseur who said "yes", OP.
Well, he was born in England.
I don''t have any inside info but he always struck me as gay, too.
The old saying was that Bob Hope got more ass than a toilet seat. Though now that I think of it they really didn''t specify which gender.%0D\
The story goes that Hope would fuck all the women who went with him on those USO tours; the only ones he let alone were old hags like Phyllis Diller, Hedda Hopper or Martha Raye.
Passed on Martha Raye? I thought he and Bing used to DP her in the mouth.
[quote] Was Bob Hope gay?%0D\
Well, I don''t know, dahling. He never sucked my cock...
OP, Bob Hope was the original heterosexual slut. He cheated relentlessly on his wife WITH EOMEN, especially hookers.
God, everybody know this
WOMEN, not eomen.
The sick bastard.
"He cheated relentlessly on his wife WITH EOMEN"%0D\
Is that where the eoman goes up into the eoman?
Well, I can''t speak to his sexuality...but when you compare him to many other big acts of the day, he was nicest in terms of copyright laws.%0D\
Sinatra''s estate will sue you if you use a Sinatra appearance in any kind of work, fair use or no.%0D\
Hope''s estate simply asks for you to give them a credit.%0D\
That speaks volumes as to their characters while they were alive.
[quote]The story goes that Hope would fuck all the women who went with him on those USO tours; the only ones he let alone were old hags like Phyllis Diller, Hedda Hopper or Martha Raye.\
So who were some of the other women on the tours that he presumably slept with?
I remember an old RS article that said he had a massage every day, which I thought was fabulously indulgent. And kind of gay.
Martha Raye was a young hag when she began touring with Hope and the USO.
According to Maria Riva''s biography, her mother Marlene Dietrich hated Bob Hope, found him low-class humour, and made fun of him boinking all the young starlets in his trailer during his war tours.
Didn''t Dietrich take a soldier to bed at each of her War tour stops?
[quote] What the hell happened to Republicans?%0D\
The Southern Strategy took hold.
[quote]So who were some of the other women on the tours that he presumably slept with?\
I''m sure Frances Langford, whom my dad saw on the Bob Hope USO during World War II. He always had one busty singer on each tour, so you can count Marilyn Maxwell and Dorothy Lamour among them.
"Didn''t Dietrich take a soldier to bed at each of her War tour stops?"%0D\
"A" soldier? No.
tons and tons of them
Probably Joey Heatherton as well
I want have your babies, Bob!
He fucked a lot of women and wasn''t that nice of guy.
[quote]Probably Joey Heatherton as well\
I hope not, that would be a shame because she was really hot.\
[quote]I want have your babies, Bob!\
She said that?
[quote]That speaks volumes as to their characters while they were alive.\
Why? Do they control their estates from the great beyond?
I''ve mentioned this on another thread, but my step-father was a publicist in the late 40''s early 50''s. Hope had houses in Toulca Lake and Hollywood near Paramont for trysts with women - he liked to get laid after work - before he got home to Dolores and the kids.
He fucked Joan Collins as well (late ''50s/early ''60s). Rather ungraciously gave her the nickname "The British Open".
R34, the Estate acts according to the Will.%0D\
I know that Sinatra was very litigious about his image and his work, and instructed his children to be belligerent about it after his death. There were provisos in the Will about this as well.%0D\
Hope didn''t have such an issue. Granted, Hope wasn''t a singing star with the same intellectual property concerns, but he more than made up for it in his sheer number of productions...all of which are still intellectual property of his Estate.
So Joey Heatherton is pretty much a definite? She was doing this old fart instead of the military guys who came to the shows? I guess you really do have to become a degraded whore to advance in Hollywood.
Loved to pound hooker pussy.
Maybe she did both. Or she and Lola Heatherton would alternate.
If the teenage Ann-Margret can do George Burns (and she did - read her autobiog), then the just slightly more than teenage Joey Heatherton can do Bob Hope.%0D\
That PSA at R4 is strangely fascinating. I wonder why he did it....
R41, that is disgusting!
Did Ann-Margret say what age she was at the time she had the affair with George Burns?
When they worked together in Vegas in the early/mid ''60s. Since she was born in 1941, that would have been her early/mid 20s.%0D\
Gracie died in 1964, when A-M was 23. It was after Gracie''s death, A-M says.
I read somewhere that Bob Hope had fathered a child with his first wife and would secretly send her money. It seems strange that he never fathered any children with his second wife. I guess he was sterile.
If he''d had a child in his first marriage, why the hell should he be secret about sending money?%0D\
Because his first wife was Butterfly McQueen
Imagine how he felt among all those mens on tour.. I gotta tell ya
How the hell could he be sterile?
Ann-Margret never had an affair with George Burns and never said she did. "Mr. Burns," as she called him, discovered her, worked with her, and promoted her career. He was her mentor, not "her mentor." Jesus Christ, does Andrew Breitbart post here?
According to Maria Riva, there were hordes of men lined outside her mother''s tent, and Marlene never hid (to those closest to her) the "sacrifice" of her war efforts. But I mentioned the Bob Hope thing as gossip from a great biography, not as an example of Dietrich''s notorious double standards.
That Maria Riva book is the greatest source of Hollywood gossip and info I have ever encountered.%0D\
Worth the $18 alone.
[quote]but all of their children are adopted- and that was common thing to do( Cole Porter, Rock Hudson).\
Cole Porter and Rock Hudson had adopted children??
I don''t know about gay, but I can tell you he was snotty, self-indulgent, and perhaps a daytime drunk. A friend of mine was working as a PA in the late 1980''s on one of Bob''s Superbowl shows. I was there visiting the day she had to work on the final touches. Bob came in to re-dub a few lines, including "Ladies and gentleman, here''s Boomer Esiason." While watching the show on a huge screen, he tried to lip sync those words. He did it over and over and over, and every time the words were completely slurred. He finally got pissed and yelled, "What the hell is that under my eyes?"\
After a complete silence in the room, his writer of many years (name escapes me) said, "Bags, Bob. Bags."
"Dietrich''s notorious double standards"%0D\
I don''t get it. She never hid the fact that she loved sex, and lots of it, so what''s the double standard?%0D\
Bob''s brother still lives in Palm Springs and hangs out a gay bars.
Bob''s brother must be a hundred.
BUMP for Bob Hope.
Bob Hope had colon cancer in the mid-1940s and was an early wearer of a colostomy bag.
Heard this at Mayo Clinic
Completely off-topic, but the only person I ever regretted turning down tricking with was a guy with a Bob Hope nose. Every time I think of Bob Hope, I think I should have given that guy a toss.
About the PSA, it was made to make amends with GLAAD.\
He made an appearance on the Carson show and he and Johnny were joking about Ed''s red tie. At the time red ties were called Power Ties. Bob made a comment that maybe it wasn''t a power tie, maybe Ed was gay. It was actually very good humored in his delivery, not scathing, or any thing like that. \
GLAAD caused an uproar and he responded that he was far from homophobic and any one who worked in show business who was homophobic was in the WRONG business. And he promptly offered to do an anti-gay bashing PSA. The ironic thing is that even though it was BOB HOPE!,it was banned in many markets.
..."he liked to get laid after work - before he got home to Dolores and the kids."%0D\
Delores Hope is still alive at age 101, not sure about "the kids."
[quote]"He cheated relentlessly on his wife WITH EOMEN"\
Reminds me of "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic"- "...eomen, eomen, eomen..."\
[quote]I want have your babies, Bob!\
[quote]She said that?\
No, but Lola Heatherton did.
Didn''t some tell all come out back in the 90s that stated that Bod did a transvetite hooker back around WWII?
[quote]Didn''t Dietrich take a soldier to bed at each of her War tour stops?%0D\
She started doing that right after the Battle of Bull Run and continued until the day she died.
"Everywhere he goes...they start a war!" -- Judy Garland
Bob Hope was a very interesting individual. His daughter said that he was not a "touchy-feely" person, but that he did love his family. Did he screw around on his wife? Probably. Was he hard to get along with? So they say. In other words, he was as imperfect as the next guy. He may even have been as a$$hole, but I doubt he was an ogre.
Well, he never sucked MY dick!
Well, he DID suck my dick!
My mother did two USO tours with Bob Hope. She was beautiful but he was always a gentleman with her.%0D\
She and Delores got along very well. Probably because my mother was no threat to their marriage.%0D\
And she said he "acted like a bachelor" when Delores wasn''t around.
"I knew a masseur who said "yes", OP."%0D\
Oh, so you knew a "massuer" who said "yes." Why it that isn''t proof Hope was a flaming queen I don''t know what is! %0D\
I''ve noticed that on this type of thread there is ALWAYS someone who says he knew or knows somebody who fucked the supposedly gay famous person. Or he knows somebody who knows somebody who was the famous person''s lover. Or that the famous person was/is a pedophile who lusts after underage male flesh or was/is a habitual user of rent boys or hustlers. Or that the famous person had a torrid gay affair with another famous person. All heresay, all urban legends. %0D\
Hope was a lot of things, but he wasn''t gay. %0D\
He was a huge pussy hound. Kept a separate house in Burbank, not too far from his Toluca Lake estate, where he would bang women all the time.
Back in the day, Martha Raye had one helluva hot body. Enormous tits. The girl could sing too. Very underrated talent. Since I am a Vietnam vet, I have a special place in my heart for Col. Maggie. She was always traveling to Vietnam on the downlow to help out with the troops. Special lady.\
I hope she told Hope to go fuck himself.
"Did he screw around on his wife? Probably"%0D\
FUCKING LOL! %0D\
How old are you, r70, 12? %0D\
Bob Hope was a womanizer x 1000%.
Many of those old time radio and film comedians seem gay to us now: Jack Benny, Edgar Bergen, Fred Allen, George Jessel and Bob Hope. %0D\
Something about their delivery.
Marlene Dietrich, who hated Bob Hope, told her daughter Maria Riva that all he did on his war tours was fuck all the chorus and canteen girls.
I think you mean chorus boys, R79.
Bob Hope made me a soprano
But Benny WAS gay.
%E2%80%9CI just heard that the Statue of Liberty has AIDS but she doesn%E2%80%99t know if she got it from the mouth of the Hudson or the Staten Island Fairy.%E2%80%9D
Dorothy Lamour was a major film star (John Ford''s The Hurricane 1937) before she got saddled into playing third fiddle in all those Road pictures and did not need to fuck Bob Hope to get anywhere, much less a USO tour in war-torn Europe, Africa or Southeast Asia.%0D\
Dottie famously popularized the sarong (designed by Edith Head), her signature costume in many of her films and pin-ups, which started the American craze for tropical printed fabrics.%0D\
She was also cited as raising more money through her sales of US War Bonds than any other Hollywood star.%0D\
Fuck Bob Hope, indeed!
President, Dorothy Lamour Fan Club
Seriously R62? It''s gross enough to imagine old Bob fucking starlets...but to think he did it while wearing a bag of shit? I need my smelling salts.
He was sort of cute when he was young
I, for one, grew up with him as Oscar''s perennial host. I don''t think he missed many ceremonies until the late 1960s when he was replaced by Johnny Carson. And his gentle ribbing of the industry and its stars at that time seemed might risque.
800 pages, R53.
This better be good
Bob Hope was a compulsive pussy hound, and a bit of a pervert. According to a friend of his daughter, when she was a young teenager, Hope would let her invite several of her friends over for a sleepover, and he would find numerous opportunities to "accidentally" walk into the room where his daughter and her girlfriends were, and he''d be ballicky bare ass. "Oh, I''m so sorry!" Then he''d turn slowly, very slowly, and walk out of the room, making sure they got a good look at his ass. Just...creepy.
Squeeze supposedly Marilyn Maxwell.
A "think tank" of people with degrees in Psychology (I included)often pursue unusual questions. Based on a recent study showing that 80% of homophobic people are gay, we decided to explore the issue. We chose Bob Hope because of all of his homophobic jokes on stage and off. Another research study shows that the more older brothers a male has from the same mother--the greater his chance of being born gay. Bob Hope was the fifth of seven sons. This increases his chance of being gay. On top of this, Bob Hope married one woman for a few months. Could he not consummate the marriage? Then he married a woman with whome he adopted children. Couldn't have any of his own? Our final study suggests that "Evidence, both personal and scientific, from the life of Bob Hope strongly suggests that Bob Hope was gay."
Hey dude. Stop typing with one hand at the computer. Think of what you are doing with your own dick and stop thinking about what other guys are doing with teirs. All this thinking you do about who sucks dick makes me wonder how much dick you are wanting to suck without having to pay for it.
Bob Hope was not gay. He had a famous affair with actress Barbara Payton in the early 50s. He dumped her when she wanted more money and gifts, and she went to Confidential magazine and spilled the bean about their affair. Evidently, it didn't hurt his career a bit.
Bob Hope and Jack Benny both seemed very fey.
And.. ordered. Thanks R53.
Bob enjoyed cock from Palm Springs
Wow, that's a great PSA...
Thank you for posting it, R4.
Isn't he rumored to be some high priest of a satanic cult back in the days?
I once saw him with Jack Benny in Hollywood. Both pinged off the charts.
Years ago I worked for a talent agency where the rumor was that every time Dolores Hope (a Catholic) caught Hope in an affair he wound up making a huge gift to the Los Angeles diocese.
Bob Hope - more than Revolta, more than the strange Cruiser ...even more than light-in-the-loafers John Wayne - strikes me as the most gay "straight" man *ever*.
As an example, right now i'm watching "Bachelor In Paradise", which is loaded with gorgeous babes, and just like in all his films, Hope shows exactly ZERO attraction, affinity or desire for the opposite sex. It's almost eerie how obvious this is.
I know Hope was married forever - but that proves nothing. I'll bet he had young male "attendants, especially in his latter days when he was out of the public eye & he could begin to indulge his real feelings. Bob Hope grew up in an era when he could never have admitted a same sex attraction ...but imo he is never convincing in denying it.
I agree with R101.
Marlene Dietrich told her daughter that Bob Hope's trailer had an endless line of girls going in and out during the USO tours.
I wish when I did USO tours with him I'd been like that store in Australia and charged an entrance fee!
bob hope was not gay. he was a man-ho who liked prostitutes. Milton Berle was gay.
He was often absent from home and his kids didn`t see much of him. He told the story of how one of his sons would yell when he walked in the house `Hey look everybody! It`s BOB HOPE!!!
You people are delusional FOOLS. Bob Hope as the womanizer of womanizer s -- and everyone knew it. Not gay in the slightest.
His wife knew that he was fucking around and and she was fine with it as long as there were no scandals and as long as there was plenty of money for her Catholic charities.
all of his kids were adopted. so he never had to have sex w his wife
He was a notorious pussy hound.
r106, that's called a joke dear. He was a comedian after all.
Didn't he have a lesbian daughter?
I don't know about Bob Hope. A lot of people make strong points for both sides.
I do figure this -- plenty of 'straight' guys out there are really gay. They just choose for whatever reason that they'll play straight.
They make that choice; before they know it, life is over.
R108, there were scandals. Hope set up mistresses in apartments. One actress in particular (forgot he name).
Hope liked the ladies. Well he like women. I've never seen a lady.
There was a Spy Magazine feature about him in which he and Graydon Carter, who wrote the piece, went out to score chicks in Palm Springs.
I haven't read this yet, but it sounds like gossipy fun.
[quote]there were scandals. Hope set up mistresses in apartments. One actress in particular (forgot he name).
That's not a scandal. It's scandal when it's reported in the press and with very few exceptions, Bob Hope got a free ride.
Didn't Marlene Dietrich say he had a line of women waiting outside his tent on USO tours? I think maybe it was in her daughter's book. I swear I think I read that somewhere.
Bob Hope was the lightest of the light-in-the-loafers ...way before any man could admit a same sex attraction, he was a gay man who not only hid from himself, but whom society helped conceal.
I meet Bob hope in Manhattan with his gay boyfriends in NYC and walked with them 20 blocks in Broadway he was 100 precent gay
Wasn't one of his daughters a lesbian?
Bob Hope had affairs with a boatload of women. OP is nuts.
If there is one thing I've learned on DL, it's that enjoying a heterosexual lifestyle is most often an attempt to stay in the closet.
Why are we dwelling on a thread that is over four years old?
Bob's adopted daughter looked very much like him. Same nose. I'd say she was "found" on the doorstep with a nice check cut to mommy.
Well, he never fucked me.
Like most gay men discussed here, he was happiest when he was having sex with women.
[quote]Ann-Margret never had an affair with George Burns and never said she did. "Mr. Burns," as she called him, discovered her, worked with her, and promoted her career.
That's the way it works with DL fave, Dav!da R0chelle, and "Mr. Clooney." There's no doubt that she's like a young Ann-Margret.
He had to be straight. He fucked Barbara Peyton. And then she fucked him. Over. By going public.
Quote: His longtime secretary Jan King summed him up best: "He's a lecher who had women stashed all over town." His payroll was always filled with his latest girlfriends, and he actually had an apartment building close to his house filled with his current "dates". (He even had an employee whose job was to make sure the girls got their monthly payoffs.) Hope never met a beauty queen he couldn't-- and wouldn't-- hit on, which was his main reason for emceeing so many pageants over the years.
Jan King's interview with the Globe in 1991 was one of only three times Hope's philandering was ever made public (before Marx's book, that is). The first was a famous 1956 piece in Confidential, a gossip magazine of the time. It featured an interview with B-movie actress Barbara Payton about her time with Bob. In it, she complained that the only gifts he'd ever given her were a kingsize bed and three jars of jam. (After Hope dumped her, her alcoholism became severe and she ended up as a five-dollar hooker before committing suicide at 39.)"
Bob Hope was not gay. He didn't even like "funny" sort of men. Catch the looks he gives Roy Rogers. *LOL*
He was rumored to be a boring fuck. Like President Kennedy he fucked as many women as possible but the women said it was a dull experience.
Bob Hope apparently did have one biological child, though not with his legal wife.
If the story proves true we can assume whatever problems there were with the Bob and Delores having children was either on her end, and or there was some sort of agreement for whatever reason to adopt rather than have children of their own.
I cannot believe I actually read Bob Hope and "sex machine" in the same sentence. LOL
If anyone had told me that Jack Benny and George Burns weren't gay I would have laughed in his face. It has come out, however, that both men were not only straight ,they both had outside affairs with other women. If these two guys had other women I'm sure Bob Hope, who was macho compared to those two, must have had hundreds of women in his sexual life.
Some funny responses here.
Nothing would surprise me about anybody.
I can't even guess on Hope, but I do know that I'd be surprised to learn who really is gay.
It's often the ones you don't even 'suspect.'
Anita Bryant and Kaye Stevens went on his tours.
Don't know if it's been posted up thread but he fucked Olivia Newton-John early in her career.
Even on that crappy Golden Girls ep he guested on, when he got close to Blanche, he gave off this creepy vibe.
You never know but I strongly doubt he was gay. But he was never funny, either.
"You know what bugs me? People who write books about people when they're gone. When the butcher me I hope they do it with pictures!"
He wasn't so nearly squeaky clean when he was performing for the troops.
I think it's a reasonable question.
I loved that he would shove the beautiful woman at the bad guys and take off running.'
Obviously Rock Hudson wasn't happy fucking a woman.
The thing that always amazed me about Bob Hope was the scope of his career. He did Vaudeville, Radio, Films and TV. Not too many people can make that claim. I find it amazing and it must have been a fascinating life.
You also have to hand it to him for his incredible dedication to his USO tours. It's not something he did for a few years to enhance his rep.
His name and reputation was able to enlist the absolute best in talent to join him.
So many celebs are vacuous and and terribly self-centered. He sacrificed a lot of personal time to do those tours over [italic]decades[/italic]. Bringing some Christmas joy to countless soldiers when they really needed it.
Dave Thomas on SCTV did a great Bob Hope impersonation.
Gay or straight - I hope he got laid often and had many happy moments in his long life.
When he got his Kennedy Center Honor, the stage was filled with uniformed men and women from the armed forces, from different wars, who had enjoyed his shows. They sang "Thanks for the Memory" and between verses, several would tell where they saw him overseas. They filled in the group with active duty people who had good singing voices, so a Marine friend of mine was one of the singers. He said it was a fantastic experience.
The reason why so many Hollywood children were adopted back then was the lack of antibiotics until after WWII and because women didn't know what caused PID (pelvic inflammatory disease) which caused female infertility.
Men in vaudeville fucked around. They caught "VD." They infected their wives. Women who got roles via the casting couch got VD. WWI and WWII resulted in American soldiers "seeing PAH-ree." They were "paintin the town and jazzing around" over in Europe and brought STDs home to their wives.
So lots of women in the US were "barren" and it was from having been infected with an STD which spread into the Fallopian tubes and ovaries, causing scarring and infertility. Many women never knew they had an STD because their doctors didn't tell them. Back in those days, all doctors were men. They weren't about to tell Betsey Housewife that her husband infected her with an STD from a mistress or a hooker or an overseas conquest and left her unable to have children.
A lot of early rock star wives were unable to have children, or unable to conceive after one child because hubby went on the road and brought an unexpected present home to wifey. It really wasn't until herpes and super gonorrhea in the mid 70s that the news media started to discuss STDs and women started finding out that a husband, boyfriend or one-night-stand could giver her a disease which could leave her infertile.
Bob Hope was bisexual. He was also into S&M and a member of a Hollywood cult.
I always suspected Harpo Marx was gay. He married late in life and all his children were adopted.
When I met him in '81 he was very hard of hearing
I asked Harpo Marx if he was gay. He didn't reply.
Woollcott never wrote anything better than his love note to Harpo.
I am surprised that no one has mentioned Hope's Broadway career. He appeared in six
Broadway shows. The most well know is Cole Porter's "Red, Hot and Blue" with Jimmy Durante and Ethel Merman.
Near the end of his USO tours, Bob Hope was not universally loved by those in the military. I was in the U.S. army during his Christmas tour in 1968. His support of the war was an issue, but guys that young often thought of Bob Hope as from their grandparents' generation and painfully out of touch.
Sorry to disagree with R147's Hallmark card impression of Hope at the Kennedy Center
[quote]He did Vaudeville
What does this mean? Where is that?
It's perfectly understandable why R154 would find the Kennedy Center Honors to be a big bore. After all, he was an Army grunt. When my friend was standing on stage in the Kennedy Center in 1985, some of the people looking at him included Bob Hope, of course, the President, Vice President, and First Lady of the United States, Beverly Sills, Irene Dunne, Merce Cunningham, Alan Jay Lerner, and Frederick Lowe. Then there was a star-studded audience in the other seats, too. No doubt an Army grunt would not be impressed with a "Hallmark card impression of Hope at the Kennedy Center Honors."
Guys in my division enjoyed a visit with Hope, Johnny Carson, Danny Thomas, and Ed McMahon in 1986 and knew they were from their parents and grandparents' generation but didn't find them to be "painfully out of touch." It's not surprising that men in our department would have the intelligence to appreciate those entertainers, unlike a bunch of Army grunts.
R158: I watch the Kennedy Center Honors almost every years, so know exactly how thrilling they are for those honored and everyone who participates.
That does not change my explanation of the general feelings toward the entertainers who were coming to Vietnam by 1968-1969. I'll name them: Bob Hope, Martha Raye, George Jessel. They were pro-war, probably meant well but could not relate to the men and women they came to entertain.
I remember watching Bob Hope host the Oscars when he was a kid. He was wonderful. But there came a time when he was out of step with the country -- from the late 1960s on.
I am interested in your opinion about grunts in Vietnam; it's completely opposite the reaction I have been getting from almost everyone else when I mention my time in Vietnam.
For the last ten years or more, people are far more interested and concerned than when I returned to the U.S. in 1969. People know about PTSD now. I am very grateful that most people make an effort to understand what it was like being in the infantry, fighting a very unpopular war.
He definitely pings, but his era was that of repression.
My father loved to tell the story of the time Hope's radio show was pulled off the air immediately for reciting the following poem:
[italic]If women's skirts get any shorter
And the wind does not behave
They'll have two more cheeks to powder
And another place to shave[/italic]
He swore he heard it with his own ears as a child, but he was one for tall tales so we took it with a grain of salt. I've never seen any such incident mentioned in any discussion of Hope's career, so it's probably an urban legend. Does sound like something he'd write, though.
r159, you were too gracious to trolly r158. What an uppity old Mary.
What I'd like to know was how they got the troops at his televised shows to jump up and down, cackling like monkeys? It was always so over the top, especially considering the horrible material Hope had.
He wasn't gay to my lady hamper when I auditioned to go to Vietnam with him.
Bob Hope was a manwhore. Not everyone you want to be gay is gay.
cheated on his wife with other women all the time
[quote]What I'd like to know was how they got the troops at his televised shows to jump up and down, cackling like monkeys?
When the soldiers are serving on the front lines of freedom, a visit from some celebs with their musicians and technicians takes them away from death and destruction for an hour or two. They're so happy for that opportunity that they truly jump for joy and will laugh from the heart at old jokes. For many, it was the last time they ever laughed.
[quote]It's not surprising that men in our department would have the intelligence to appreciate those entertainers, unlike a bunch of Army grunts.
The international tour of Hello, Dolly! starring Mary Martin was slated to visit the USSR in the late sixties. When a political rift caused the Soviet trip to be canceled, the State Dept. sent the Dolly! company to Vietnam to entertain the troops instead.
Martin wrote in her autobiography that a significant portion of the troops were NOT happy to see them arrive. They were angry to have to provide security to a touring theater troupe and felt that their presence trivialized the sacrifices the soldiers were making fighting a losing war.
R159 here. Mary Martin's "Hello, Dolly!" tour of Vietnam was in 1965 or 1966. I just checked her autobiography,
Martin also writes about her first press conference in Saigon. The first question from the press was, "Why did you come here?" She did not have an answer. The next question was, "Do you know how dangerous it is here?" Mary did recover and said, "Well if you can stand it, I can stand it."
A few pargraph down, Mary writes, "Certainly later I questioned my own impulsive 'Yes, I'll go.'"
Not sure, but Mary Martin may have been the last relatively big star to entertain in Vietnam without a political agenda.