No one really talks about his death- What is the real story behind it?
He got a strep infection. He didn''t get treatment for it until it was too late. And he died at the young age of 53. Too sad.
It''s not easy being green.
The late Jim Henson
He was reared a Christian Scientist.
He contracted that flesh-eating strep and it quickly crashed his bodily systems over a few days.\
He was born in Mississippi and Kermit has roots in the bayous around the river in Greenville.\
Stein-Mart originated in Greenville for those familiar with that chain.
I thought that he live din the UK
There were rumors that he was gay. There were also rumors that he had AIDS and that there was a cover up. Not uncommon at the time. I don''t know if he did, but I wondered. People never died of AIDS, it was always "a long illness" or some other made up BS disease.
Wasn''t it one of those situations where he thought he had a cold or flu until he got very sick and had to go to the hospital, where upon there was little they could do for him to combat the strep.
Kermit decided to show HIM what it feels like to have a fist up your ass. \
He developed an infection and died.
I vote AIDS. How many 50 year olds with non-compromised immune systems die of strep?
I had heard that he was raised Xian scientist, so although he no longer practiced, he gave in to the temptation to ignore his strep infection. Christian Scientists, I understand, don''t believe their invisible friend would ever let them get sick, so long as they really, really believe in him.
Henson was definitely straight. My partner worked for the Jim Henson company in the late ''90s, and all the old timers talked about his womanizing ways. In fact, he had a longtime mistress with whom he had shacked up with at the end (despite staying married to his loony wife). He''s even buried near the home he shared with his girlfriend.
I remember they interviewed the family, and they lived and dressed like hippies. I remember they reported he left a 1 billion dollar fortune to his family. \
Hey R11, so his wife was nuts?
It was group A streptococcus. It can sometimes become very virulent. I remember a study about children in the countryside of either Brazil or Argentina dying after a short illness. Turned out to be group A strep ear infection. Normally, group A strep ear infections do not kill, but this had mutated into s superstrain.
After Henson, I found, through the NYC hospital grapevine, that it is unusual but not exactly rare for group A strep to inexplicably overwhelm the system. We had a young woman in her early 30s come into our recovery area on her way to die in the ICU. She had gone to her doctor the day before and was told she had an upper respiratory infection and to rest, drink fluids, etc. The next morning, she went to an ER where a CXR showed mild infiltrate. Again, she was told to rest, get plenty of fluids, etc. At 2 am, she was brought to our ER by a coworker she phoned. They admitted her to icu where she rapidly deteriorated. A pumonary guy brought her to the OR for a bronchoscopy and said her lungs were literally disintegrating. She died screw hours later. She'd been perfectly healthy, she had a low grade fever, her XRay had not been horrible and whammo -- she was taken down within hours.
I could go on and on. Like the guy who knocked his face while shaving and his entire face -- flesh, muscles, eyelids, nose, ears -- was eaten away by a strep which massively overwhelmed him. Or tje coworker of mine who died if an infection that is unknown to this day (they've kept blood and tissue samples for years for future testing). None of these people had AIDS.
Weird shit happens. We're not invincible. I am a firm believer in chaos theory and these cases are proof of it, as far as I am concerned. Group A strep does not usually cause death in healthy people.
All I know is that the guy was a genius and that with his show he brought much happiness to my life
R12, his wife definitely has a few screws loose. I met her at the premiere of the god-awful MUPPETS IN SPACE and at first wondered how a homeless woman had gotten into the theatre.\
R14, he may have brought happiness to millions, but he was a deeply troubled man. Also, he HATED kids, even his own, so it was ironic that he made a living schilling to munchkins.
Wow [R15], knowing that makes me like him even more. What a fascinating guy
Not true r-15, stop projecting.
R17, I''m definitely not projecting. Sorry to ruin your image of the saintly Jim Henson.
I''ve also always wondered about Henson, especially since within a few days of his death they read part of his will on the radio news and he''d written something like, "I do not fear death. In fact, I welcome it." %0D\
Okay, I can understand not fearing death, but what healthy man in his early fifties with a large family, great career, and public acclaim talks about "welcoming" death?
How do you know that he hated kids, r15?
R15 Charles "Peanuts" Schultz was the same way. Beloved by millions, but despised by his family. A detached, distant, self-absorbed man...a complete fraud.
I heard it from inside his own company, R20. Also his son Brian was (maybe still is ) a huge cokehead who did an awful job of running the company after Jim''s death. Brian''s sister Lisa is really the only one with a head for business and an interest in keeping her father''s legacy alive.
How does that make him a fraud, r21? Peanuts wasn''t about how lovable Charles Schulz was. Some of the kids in that strip (which was brilliant, angst-ridden, and depressing for years and years) were terrible people.\
He did end up selling out with that Snoopy junk, though.
R15, I''d heard the same thing about Dr. Seuss. Whats with all these people who write/produce things for kids actually disliking kids?
[quote]his son Brian was (maybe still is ) a huge cokehead who did an awful job of running the company after Jim''s death. \
Is that why we STILL can''t get "The Muppet Movie" soundtrack on CD?
Big Bird sings "It''s Not that Easy Bein'' Green" at the Jim Henson Memorial Service
r11, he wasn''t buried near his girlfriend''s home. Find A Grave says Jim''s ashes were spread at the ranch he owned in New Mexico.
How can we have a thread about hating one''s own children and not hear from the authority Ms. Patsy Ramsey of Boulder, CO?
I''ve also heard that he was very promiscuous. \
A puppeteer friend of mine said he must have been sick for a while because his funeral seemed too elaborate and well-planned, with puppet routines, etc.
I thought Oz was the promiscuous one. \
Former staffers will never forgive the Hensons for selling off the studios in LA and London, and I don''t blame them.
[quote]How can we have a thread about hating one''s own children and not hear from the authority Ms. Patsy Ramsey of Boulder, CO?%0D\
Because MPR ceased to be funny (along with Helen Lawson) about five years ago.
Fun fact - he died on the same day as Sammy Davis, Jr.
R27, the mistress lived at the ranch. And still does!
R6 = the "Every guy who dies suddenly was a secret AIDS infected gay man" troll.
Henson''s Halloween parties were infamous, with guests urged to dress as "sexy Muppet" characters.\
Also, he invariably had frogs'' legs on the menu for these soirees.
If r15 is correct, it might be the most shocking thing I''ve ever read on DL.
R13 has so many typos I fear for her life!
R37 is such a drama queen, I fear for his life!
I never heard that he "hated" kids. It would be very strange if he did; he was a genius at creating happiness for kids! The Muppets were (still are?) absolutely beloved. %0D\
I saw some of his funeral on a news program. It was so moving it made me cry.
My partner had an antique shop in Bedford, NY when he was a teenager (knew he was gay from the womb!). Jim Henson came in and bought some stuff that he wanted delivered. I think he lived in Pound Ridge at the time. When my partner delivered the stuff, Jim gave him a Miss Piggy Christmas tree ornament. (He had them made to give as gifts, they weren%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%99t mass-produced.) We still put it on the tree every year. I told him he should have gotten him to sign it.%0D\
Anyway, my partner said he was really shy, but a nice, down-to-Earth guy.%0D
I swear, I can remember hearing that he had an affair with Daryl Hannah. Anyone else ever hear that? I think she was at his funeral.
I can see Darryl Hannah being into puppets.
[quote] [R13] has so many typos I fear for her life!\
It''s the iPhone. I hate the touch keypad and it hates me.
[quote]the "Every guy who dies suddenly was a secret AIDS infected gay man" troll.%0D\
Actually, I remember the rumors too. By the late 80s people were accustomed to hearing about male celebs suddenly growing sick and dying. It was only logical to suspect that Henson may have had AIDS.
Didn''t the family sold the company to the Disney Corporation?
He did NOT die of AIDS.
He did NOT "hate" children.
Supposedly he did have affairs while married.
He was a genius; made some weird little puppets (the original Kermit was made from an old green coat and a couple of ping pong balls for eyes) and turned them into unforgettable characters and eventually an entertainment empire.
I never heard anything truly bad about him. Eveyone who knew him described him as gentle, unassuming and likeable.
His death was a true tragedy; so unneccessary, so preventable. His was one of the very few celebrity deaths that made me feel actual sorrow and grief.
Even better than the Big Bird song at the memorial.
He was murdered by the PTB so that they could destroy culture and foist things like the Gastineaus and the Kartrashians etc. upon the general public and we wouldn't be able to distinguish what actual middlebrow culture was any longer.
I'll never forget when Helen Lawson hosted the Muppet Show. It was only broadcast once, and Henson personally burned the only copy of the film.
I worked with someone who died of the same type of infection in the same ICU at New York Hospital within hours of Henson's death. His family mentioned the next day that Jim Henson had been there.
[R29]'s pupeteer friend is an ass. It was a memorial service, not a funeral. There was lots of time to plan.
[quote]She died screw hours later.
What's been on your mind?
"muppets v1.0?? I wish they would have stopped at version no.0"
I do not know how to break this to some of you.
A man who fucked around on his wife in addition to having had a mistress could very well have contracted the virus. Consider the era he did all this if anything.
I am not trying to blatantly state that he died of AIDS. But, you just never know.
THe virulent infection caught everyone by surprise. He worked long hours and didn't take care of himself. People I know who worked closely with him loved him, said he was an incredibly charismatic and gentle person, the real deal.
[quote]Didn't the family sold the company to the Disney Corporation?
The deal was ready to be signed the week Henson died, and then the family changed their mind, mostly because Eisner, CEO of Disney at the time, was such a prick to them. Although to be fair, Eisner was a weasel, but the Henson clan was by all reports pretty dysfunctional too. Frankly, I've always thought the stress of the sale was a major factor in Henson's death, and even if he hadn't gotten sick I put the odds of it selling at no more than 50-50.
Disney now owns "The Muppets" and has the rights to most (maybe all) of the characters, but it's still a real mess, and it took them years to get what they were literally hours away from owning 20 years ago. There are still grey areas concerning who owns the rights to what, and which characters are now 100% Disney and which the Hensons and/or Sesame Street and Public Television have a claim to. That's why you don't see them walking around Disneyland, at least not yet.
He died of AIDS. Even the Muppet Babies know that.
One of the reasons the AIDS rumor had so much traction was that Richard Hunt, a Muppeteer who performed Scooter, Statler, Beaker, and others, did die of AIDS. As I recall he died just a few months after Henson, so he was probably showing symptoms, and it was being discussed at the time of Henson's death.
Sold to Disney, then to a German company, back to the Hensons and then to Disney again.
He died of liver disease.
Yeah, that's it.
R13 that's freaky, it reminds me of this guy my friend's aunt was involved with when she was younger who had flesh eating bacteria, he didn't die but he got very sick.
R50 why did Henson burn the only copy of it? Surely another copy must exist out there somewhere.
R64 don't even bother trying to tracjk it down. I remember watching it when I was a kid and it was filled with really lame jokes.
Like when Helen introduced herself to Fozzie Bear and said, "Well I got something FUZZIE too, if ya can BEAR it."
Then there was the obscenity charge when she took one look at Gonzo's nose and asked, "What? Ya fuck around corners with that thing?"
It was awful.
I choose to believe the good stuff about Henson because it's too disappointing to think that he may have been a nasty human being. His creations were about the only happy part of my childhood and Kermit has special meaning to me. For Christmas 1977, my mother gave me a Kermit doll with velcro on the legs. It was the best Christmas present I'd ever received. I was 8. Two weeks later, my mother was dead and that Kermit doll was my only tangible connection to her. I slept with him for years. I still have that doll and he's in pretty good shape. All I have to do is look at it and I'm 8 years old again. I know, Mary!
I can't help it, though. The Muppets were a tremendous escape for me and my siblings when we were trying to cope with our mother's death.
Oh R66...you may be a Mary, but you're sweet. Happy Thanksgiving sweetie.
Henson's died at the height of the AIDS epidemic. He did not have AIDS. He was also raised a Christian Scientist. It's not shocking that he didn't go to the doctor.
R40 is the "my partner owned an antique shop and Jim Henson once popped in to do a little shopping" troll
I saw an interview with his daughter shortly after his death. When the interviewer asked her about his death & how he died, she quickly dismissed with: "no comment" and the reporter tried to continue and she said "we're not talking about this"
Perhaps it was too soon, but I was surprised she didn't say what others said, that he didn't attend to his health until too late.
BTW, didn't AA Milne also hate kids?
That was a very sweet story and in the true spirit of Thanksgiving I will not snark on you upon this day.
Have a nice Holiday.
[quote]Didn't the family sold the company to the Disney Corporation?
First, they sold it to German media company EM.TV. About two years after EM.TV bought it, they sold the Sesame Street characters to the Children's Television Workshop (now called Sesame Workshop) and offered the rest of the company for sale to an investment group. The Henson children bought it back, but then sold the Muppets to Disney.
The Jim Henson Company is still owned by the family and continues to produce children's programming, and has been trying to get a sequel to The Dark Crystal made for years, but never seems to be able to manage it.
The Voice of the Night
"I saw an interview with his daughter shortly after his death. When the interviewer asked her about his death & how he died, she quickly dismissed with: "no comment" and the reporter tried to continue and she said "we're not talking about this"
I don't find anything sinister or evasive about that. She probably wanted privacy and didn't want to discuss something so painful as the totally unexpected death of her father. She probably thought it was none of the interviewer's damn business. She was probably still dealing with her grief and loss.
Enough about the AIDS rumors. He did not die of AIDS.
Did anyone see Muppets Tonight when it aired in the late 90's?
I remember when he died, the whole country looked at each other and said, "Pneumonia?"
It was such that the media came out to assure the public that It Wasn't That, since, in 1991, pneumonia usually Was That.
("That" being AIDS, for you juniorgays)
He had Crohn's Disease.
I seem to remember seeing pictures of him looking like he had a wasting syndrome associated with AIDS. Then his sudden death came and the natural assumption was made. It was very common to lie about the cause of death at that time. Shame ruled the day.
[quote]why did Henson burn the only copy of it? Surely another copy must exist out there somewhere
He burned the master because he was trying to avert a scandal denying Helen was ever on the show. You see The Muppet's had a family audience and Helen was about to file a huge lawsuit. It seems Helen came down with a wicked case of Trichinosis from eating out, errr eating raw Pork in her dressing room.
[quote]I seem to remember seeing pictures of him looking like he had a wasting syndrome associated with AIDS. Then his sudden death came and the natural assumption was made. It was very common to lie about the cause of death at that time. Shame ruled the day.
Sweetie, no matter what your issues are, Jim Henson did not die of AIDS. As for the "wasting syndrome" you seem to remember, Henson was always a skinny guy and looked like that from birth.
Jim Henson did die of AIDS. My former housemate worked at the coroners office in NYC. Because he had died of an infectious disease an autopsy was required. The family was consulted and decided not to release the fact he died of AIDS. They said they were involved in AIDS related charities and could get money for AIDS research that way. I have no idea how he contracted the disease. She said when she saw his body he was extremely thin. She had a thing about seeing famous people that way.
"Jim Henson did die of AIDS. My former housemate worked at the coroners office in NYC. Because he had died of an infectious disease an autopsy was required. The family was consulted and decided not to release the fact he died of AIDS. They said they were involved in AIDS related charities and could get money for AIDS research that way. I have no idea how he contracted the disease. She said when she saw his body he was extremely thin. She had a thing about seeing famous people that way."
Yes, I'm sure you had a "former housemate" who "worked at the coroners office in NYC." Why the hell should anybody believe anything YOU say, you cunt.
It's has been verified many, MANY times that Jim Henson died of organ failure resulting from streptococcus pyogenes, a severe Group A streptococcal infection. S. pyogenes is the bacterial species that causes strep throat, scarlet fever, and rheumatic fever. And had he he gone to a doctor sooner (probably due to his Christian Science beliefs he held off going to one) he in all likelihood he would not have died. He did NOT die of AIDS.
I have no idea why detestable assholes like R80 aka "JJ" like to tell lies about dead celebrities. Jim Henson is particularly undeserving of such stupidity; everyone who knew him said he was a gentle, kind, unassuming, NICE person.
He was beaten to death by two hustlers wielding a cherished marble dildo, which had been given to him by Rudolph Valentino.
Oh, wait -- that was Ramon Navarro.
He did not die of Aids.
They tracked his infection to the streams he had been fly fishing in. If my memory serves me right, it was in North Carolina.
You asshole, r 81. He died of aids related illness. It is well known in the industry. Yes, he's was a wonderful , kind gentle man, but very deeply conflicted about his sexual orientation.
You need to shut the fuck up and get the hell off this forum. You don't know fucking shit about what you are protesting.
I PERSONALLY know some of those that he dated. Get the hell out of this forum. You are such a huge asshole. I have been in the industry for many, many years. His family did not want it known that he was homosexual. It was the classic open secret. Get the hell off this forum. You are lying scum.
"You need to shut the fuck up and get the hell off this forum. You don't know fucking shit about what you are protesting."
YOU need to eat shit and die, you cunty fuckwad. It bears repeating: why the fuck should anybody believe anything you say? You "PERSONALLY know some of those that he dated" and "have been in the industry for many years"...sure you have, you pathetic queen! You're a goddamn liar, that's what you are. That's pretty obvious.
Now you take your "get the hell off this forum" and stuff it up your lonely asshole. And get a fucking life; your hobby of spreading lies about a long dead celebrity reveals that you have a lot of time on your hands.
Wow r85 . You might want to dial it back a notch. I personally don't care if he fucked the family pig. Jim was an innovative artist. He created characters that were as real to me as any actor.
I was actually with Jim Henson about a week before his death. We met at a Disney meeting in conjunction with the company buying the rights to the Muppets. He was in reasonable health but seemed a little worn down. I have always assumed that it was the beginning of the infection affecting him.
Great guy. Very generous, engaged and enthusiastic. I often wonder what he would have gone onto do if he had lived.
His creations and those of his team made me smile and I was a real worrier of a kid most of the time. Looking back I am still amazed by the puppets and wonder how they did it all.
R86, did you read R84? That's where the dialing-down needs to start.
I watched "Emmett Otters Jug Band Christmas", over the holidays.
Jim was awesome.
Arse pirate butt flu
He didn't die of AIDS, He got a step a infection that turned into Toxic Shock Syndrome. It's as rare as 200 cases a year worldwide. It attacks all of your organs and shuts them down. I've heard that there is less than a 20% survival rate. I'm perfectly healthy and I contracted it last year. I lost both my hands and legs. I'm only 29 so that's a big part of why I'm still here.
He dies of AIDS. And R92 is cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
I just love how a bunch of (supposedly) gay men keep saying that he wasn't gay so he didn't die of AIDS. Because no straight guy who fooled around EVER got AIDS. Morons.
"He dies of AIDS."
He didn't "dies" of AIDS. His cause of death was established many years ago. Now please shut the fuck up, you stupid, psychotic douchebag.
I saw Jim Henson at some Muppet event and he looked like a homeless person - funky clothes and all. I'm surprised he found anyone (male or female) to have sex with. But he seemed like a straight homeless guy to me.
Let this close the discussion. Jim henson died of ARDS, acute respiratory
distress syndrome. My son came down with ARDS in his thirties. Doctors said
it was a respiratory infection that spirals out of control, they don't know why,
there is little they can do to stop it, but if a person survives, it won't happen
again. It's an anomaly. My son survived because he was young. The drs.
said if he had been 15-20 years older, he would not have survived. Jim
Henson was 15 yrs older. My son's drs. said Mr. Henson died of ARDS.
He was a brilliant man who gave us the Muppets. Now, please, let this
close the discussion. Signed: A thankful Mom
I knew Jim , his work was magnificent, but I never saw him treat anyone with kindness or respect, unless it was the many women he had, or attempted to have sex with. It's odd that so many people who become a success, suffer narcissistic personality disorder,and we must suffer being close to them. As far as AIDS, to the best of my knowledge it was a strep infection, which,in my opinion, attacked a body, whose immune system was compromised by an on going cocaine habit, which I also think accounted for some bad decisions and judgement calls in his life. We should celebrate the man's work, that brought happiness to so many ,and try to forget the same man who made so many others miserable.
Oh, please, get a clue. His daughter didn't want to discuss the nature of his death because it related to his religious beliefs. When he died and it came out that he did not seek medical help early enough because of being a Christian Scientist, there was a lot of criticism and derision that such a gifted man would die because of what most people view/viewed as a stupid religious practice.
I don't think he was a Christian Scientist -- I think he was like many guys of that generation who don't like going to the doctor.
So, he tried to tough it out.
Jim Henson lived a secret life. A secret gay life of anonymous sex in porn arcades. He was taking HIV cocktails up until the time of his death. He had a very low T-cell count the month of his death.
I never spent much time with Jim, who was nice, goofy, and distant, but his daughter, Lisa, is one of the most unpleasant human beings I've ever met in my life. Bitch would be much too kind a word.
I read somewhere that "jim Henson admired beautiful woman" I find that hard to believe! his wife Jane was ugly. Doubt he liked her for her appearance.
ARDS sounds like pneymocystis pneumonia.
The writer Roald Dahl wrote a lot of very successful books for children. It was said he was good with children. He was very intelligent and could be witty and charming. But he was an absolute bastard; anti-semitic, nasty, cruel, a SOB of the first order. When his daughter found out he was having a torrid affair with a close family friend (he was married to Patricia Neal at the time, who was recovering from a series of strokes that almost killed her) he called her a "bitch" and told her to mind her own business. He disinherited all his children in favor of his second wife (she was his former mistress). When they protested, he told them that if they didn't trust his wife they could just "fuck off." Lucky for them, the seond wife didn't try to take everything for herself. Strange that someone who wrote books that were greatly entertaining and amusing for children could be so horrid.
I've always thought it was AIDS complications too.
And it should be obvious, but apparently it still needs to be repeated that a man can have sex with women AND with men. He might like fucking women or he might be doing it out of social obligation, but either way, it has no bearing on whether he fucks men too.
So, essentially, we really don't KNOW.
Anyone watch Jim Henson's Creature Shop Challenge on Syfy? It's hosted and judged by Jim's son Brian who has a serious case of BDF.
R109 in other words, he would fit right in here at DL.
Did anyone ever write a bio on Henson?
Funny story about his wife, who recently passed.
I used to usher at a college theatre. We were allowed to keep items left by audience members if they weren't claimed after 48 hours.
One day I found a watch with Kermit's hands as the clock hands. About a week later, a woman comes up to me in the theatre, says she's Jum Henson's wife. She lost her watch in the theatre a week before and she cherished it because it was a gift from her recently deceased husband. I was actually wearing that very watch at the same time!
I told her I'd go look for it in the back. I went to the office, took it off my wrist, went back outside and handed it to her. She was thrilled, of course.
It sucks that Disney now owns The Muppets. They are vampiric.
[quote]Charles "Peanuts" Schultz was the same way. Beloved by millions, but despised by his family. A detached, distant, self-absorbed man...a complete fraud.
How does that make him a fraud? Because he was an asshole? Peanuts is THE classic of its genre and beloved by millions. He would only be a fraud if it came out that his family really wrote the comic strip.
Some geniuses are troubled - stop the presses!
My boss died of infected appendix, he was 40 years old. He could make himself keep going regardless of how sick he was, he could just ignore his body. So he took a few days off to move his family into a new house, everything was settled in, he told his wife that he was going to take a nap in his lounge chair and he fell asleep and died. His body was autopsied and his appendix had not burst.
The doctor said he just didn't get medical attention soon enough coupled with being underweight. I always thought about Jim Henson. Driven, underweight and the ability to ignore illness.
[quote]Driven, underweight and the ability to ignore illness.
I saw a documentary about him and it said he felt all through his life that he was running out of time.