I am watching Sabrina with Harrison Ford.%0D\
He takes the Air France Concorde. How much faster were they?
They traveled at the speed of sound. Over 1000 miles per hour.
They got old and too expensive to operate post 9/11/01, OP.\
You can find them at air museums.
And to answer your question, twice the speed of sound.
One is sitting on a pier in NYC.
One is in a museum in the airport in Barbados (there was regular concord service from London to Barbados back in the day)\
Worth a visit. One of the contributing factors to the demise of the concord was the crash which killed more than a few of their frequent fliers.
Gosh, I didn''t expect so many answers. Thank you.%0D\
So no defects. Thanks guy/gals.
oh, how fast does a regular plane travel.. commercial plane.
There is one at the Intrepid museum in NYC.%0D\
It flew at Mach 2.04 (1,350 mph), It set the record for the shortest flight between JFK and Heathrow...3 hours an 10 minutes.%0D\
I grew up in the flight path to JFK. I happened to be mesmerized by planes. The Concorde was amazing...so graceful but very loud. There was a 3 o''clock flight out of JFK that would fly over Riis Park beach. The whole beach, hundreds of people, would just stop and stare at it flying overhead. It was an amazingly beautiful airplane.%0D\
What put it out of business was parts. There were only 20 in existence and it became too expensive to replace basic parts.%0D\
I love 747s more than the Concorde. The best and most beautiful flying machine man has ever created.
That crash in Paris didn''t help things.
One of the British Airways Concordes is at the Museum of Flight in Seattle, where they let people walk through it.
They burned as much fuel as a 747, but carried just a quarter of the passengers. Tickets cost up to $8,000.
Also it flew 70,000 feet above the earth''s surface...roughly more than double other commercial airliners.
If British Airways hadn''t been such a dickwad of a company and not refused to sell their Concordes to Virgin Atlantic, they''d still be flying.
has anyone here every been a passenger? %0D\
r12, is there a reason for them to fly so high?
yes, less atmosphere and higher flying speed but enough O2 for engine combustion
The Concorde flew twice as fast as a normal transatlantic jet. So crossing the Atlantic took three hours. On New Year''s Eve, their champagne flight served bubbly at midnight in Paris, midnight mid-ocean, and midnight in Washington, D.C. The Good Life!
A guy I used to work with told me this story. It happened back in the 80s. He and his wife were flying BA out of Boston via London to the Netherlands for Christmas. There was a big snowstorm in the midwest that grounded their flight before it could get to Boston. The waiting passengers went apeshit as the ground staff tried to reroute everyone. People were being sent off to catch connecting flights all up and down the east coast. My friend was a very laid back guy and just told the agent to do her best under the circumstances. She handed him two tickets to DC and told him to make the connection there. \
She didn''t tell him that their new flight to London would be on the Concorde. He and his wife were the only two from Boston that were rerouted onto the Concorde. They ended up getting to Holland earlier than their original flight.
Yes R14. It was the best flight ever but too quickly over. %0D\
"When we reach Mach 1 you will feel a slight bump"
love it r19, please more description.%0D\
What was take off like? and landing? %0D\
In air, was there a difference? light headed.%0D\
too cool r19.
Yes, R14, I was a passenger three times. Twice JFK to Heathrow and once JFK to DeGaulle.\
Smallish cabin, but the experience was so exciting you didn''t care. And only slightly over three hours long. The two most memorable images I have are of the speedometer on the forward bulkhead keeping track in "mach" increments and looking out the window in daylight and seeing the beginning of the darker atmosphere above.\
I did not get the chance, however, to fly the other direction. Always wanted to do that so I could arrive before I left.\
And to answer another question, modern airliners fly up to, but not over, the speed of sound. Don''t want to leave a boom behind them.
They were very cramped and noisy, weren''t they?
I wish Boeing had gone ahead with it''s SST, the Boeing 2707, it was three times larger and might have been more economical to operate had they ever been able to build it.
I didn''t find it cramped. The grey leather seats were very ergonomic. Not too noisy. It was interesting to watch the sunset from the Concorde/1st class lounge at Heathrow and then fly so fast the sun was no longer set on the way to NYC. The wine and food service was incredible. I was really surprised at how many people slept all the way and didn''t even take the free gift (leather day/date planner with the Concorde logo embossed on it). They just left them in the seat back pockets!%0D\
By far the most exciting travel experience I''ve had.
There''s one at the Museum of Flight here in Seattle, along with Air Force One. Neither is for the even slightly claustrophobic.
On 7/25/2000 Concorde 203 outbound from Paris to New York. It crashed 60 seconds after take off after suffering tire blow-out that caused a fuel tank to rupture. This started a sequence of events that caused a fire which eventually lead to 2 engines failing and the aircraft crashing.%0D\
All 109 people (100 passengers and 9 crew) on board were killed. 4 people in a local hotel on the ground were also killed. %0D\
[quote]didn''t even take the free gift (leather day/date planner with the Concorde logo embossed on it). They just left them in the seat back pockets!\
For $5000 a ticket, free it ain''t.
[quote]One of the contributing factors to the demise of the concord was the crash which killed more than a few of their frequent fliers.\
None of the people on that flight were frequent fliers. They were German retirees on a charter flight to catch a cruise ship in New York.
I just looked it up, and 18 of the 20 planes built are preserved in museums. That''s an amazingly high number. \
One crashed, and one was taken out of service with less than 6000 hours of use--I wonder what the story was on that one?
Does anyone remember that plane crash thread from last year where Plane Crash Death Troll (or whatever his name was) posted plane crash pictures?\
Should we do it here?
I visited the Concorde that's housed at the Intrepid museum in Manhattan. It's a shame that the plane is treated as an afterthought by the museum--no signage or indication of what it is or its importance. If you didn't know, you'd think it was just a funky looking airliner sitting on the pier. %0D
Anyway, you enter the plane in the middle and are able to turn left down the aisle towards the cockpit. The aisle to your right as you enter is glassed off. As you walk towards the cockpit, the seats on either side are glassed off but not all the way so idiots are able to push candy wrappers and whatnot through the cracks. Lovely.%0D
The cockpit is also glassed off so you can see into it but can't enter it. You have to turn around and go back down the aisle to go out through the door you came in. This is a drag as you have to push past people and they have to push past you.%0D
I was struck by how narrow the seats were. But they do look comfy.%0D
Maybe other museums have better displays of the Concorde. Still, it's fun to sit at one of the patio tables on the pier next to a 6' high tire while sipping a Diet Coke.
[quote]For $5000 a ticket, free it ain''t.%0D\
My partner and I paid $450 each to upgrade our one-way British Airways flight through a special deal being offered to QE2 passengers at that time (when BA and Cunard were owned by the same corporation before Carnival bought Cunard.)%0D\
Best $450 I ever spent.
[quote]I love 747s more than the Concorde. The best and most beautiful flying machine man has ever created.\
I was surprised at how small they are compared to the jumbo jets that usually fly transatlantic.
I flew it several times. Always intersting passengers. Once I sat behind Woody Allen and Soon Yi, another time across from Andre Leon alley to Paris. He was completely swathed in brown leather, a brown fur hat, and was jammed against the window. He looked like a Disney Character.
Airplane pilot here (NGPA Member-ck us out). The Concorde was too expensive to maintain/fly by the major air carriers. The engines also emitted too many hydrocarbons by today''s standards. Add to all of this ticket prices were too steep for most of the travelling public (Estimated at around $3500 one way on Air France to NYC). Nice concept though. I think that Airbus/Boeing is designing a 2 times sound a/c that is more economical and emits fewer noxious hydrocarbons.
"I was struck by how narrow the seats were."%0D\
That''s because rich people are thin, unlike the fatassed hoi polloi.
I think John Travolta ate them.
[quote]One is sitting on a pier in NYC.\
The Concorde is an insatiable bottom!\
There''s also the fact that the internets have made really-high speed business travel unnecessary.
The Voice of the Night
[quote]That crash in Paris didn''t help things.\
Tell me about it.
I''m surprised a rich Saudi hasn''t purchased one and put it back in the skies.
I flew Concorde about 35 times, mostly on British Airways.
To correct a previous poster, it only flew as high as 60,000 feet which was supposed to be enough to see the curvature of the Earth. I only saw that a couple of times. What was remarkable the darkness of the skies above during daytime. Bluish-black. You could imagine the edge of space...
Others can comment on the technical aspects of the plane. The really cool things for me were:
1) the roar of the engines and feeling pushed back in one's seat during take-off
2) the slight bump as the plane broke the sound barrier and the shift in the center of gravity as the fuel was redistributed for supersonic cruise
3) the heat of the windows...there were quite hot to the touch
4) the fact that the plane actually stretched six to ten inches in flight as the airframe heated
5) the engines were throttled back over Jamaica Bay due to noise abatement restrictions and there was pleasant feeling of floating and relative quiet as they did
6) the Concorde flight attendants on BA were part of the 757 crew and you would sometimes see one on a short-haul European flight and say hello
You didn't have to fly that often to be recognized. It was all about where you sat on the plane.
The plane was split into two cabins. There were ten rows in front and 15 in the back. VIPs and very frequent fliers sat in the front and even then there was a bit of a pecking order. If you sat consistently in the first few rows, the cabin crew learned to recognize you.
The back of the plane was generally considered more for the "once-in-a-lifetime" travelers. In general, the front cabin was a bit quieter, had better views as those in the back were obstructed by the wings.
It was also the cabin where sandwich consumption was highest.
Sandwiches? Yes. For those who did not the fancy meal and wines, Concorde service included plates of sandwiches. A lot of frequent fliers and executives opted out of the main meal.
A surprising number of people traveled without luggage, especially in the front of the plane. On one flight, I was off the plane, through immigration and in my car service in less than 10 minutes.
I'd say at least a dozen people on a full flight did the same thing.
There were dedicated lounges in both London and New York with direct access to the plane.
Very VIPs had a lounge within a lounge. These were heads of state, mega-stars, etc..
Finally, there was a time when you could check in 30 minutes before departure. And it wasn't unusual to have a BA representative whisk you through security and into the lounge.
They were all very pleasant.
One last thing: on most flights, Concorde was given take-off priority. This was as much because of the fuel it burned as it was a concession to the importance of speed.
Boarding to take-off took ten or fifteen minutes sometimes.
I have lots of other memories, but those are the ones which stand out.
P.S. Corporate supersonic aircraft are a few years away. They won''t fly at Mach 2 but they will fly at Mach 1.6 and may be able to reduce sonic boom on domestic flights.\
In any case, flying at Mach .98 or thereabout cuts an hour out of a NY-LA flight.
As folks used to say of BA''s Concorde, ''Breakfast in London, lunch in New York and baggage in Bahrain''
[quote]I just looked it up, and 18 of the 20 planes built are preserved in museums. That''s an amazingly high number.\
Maybe, maybe not. I mean, prior to the Paris crash, it had never been in an accident, so arithmetically, it was significantly safer than a conventional jet. But anytime you get something moving exponentially faster than something else, the possibilities of something wrong that quickly turns very, very wrong is higher.\
As to why no wealthy private citizen has put it back in service, besides the fuel consumption, maintenance of the thing has to be astronomical. And even most big airports probably don''t have enough runway for something that needs to lose that much speed that quickly.\
Plus, for the pilots, I bet it''s a bitch to fly. I mean, the cockpit is probably fly-by-wire, but EADS had to build it so the nose would swing down turning take-off and landing, because you couldn''t see anything.
The Voice of the Night
Some seats from one of the later BA Concordes are in one of the First class lounges at Heathrow. I never flew on Concorde, would have loved to. My dad flew it (for business) a few times, he always brought me back the Concorde goodies another poster mentioned upthread, once he sat next to Chris Evert.
R48, Concorder pre-dated fly by wire. I''ve read that they were actually not difficult to fly.
I''ve tried to post this thrice, so let''s just stick to basics:\
-Private citizens'' groups in Britain and France\
-Retired Air France Concorde purchased by same\
-Returned to service for 2012 Olympics
The Voice of the Night
[quote]pre-dated fly by wire.\
Concorde was developed in the early 1960s.\
The first flight was in 1969.\
All digital fly-by-wire on an Airbus went into service in 1984.
We''ll see VOTN.\
It would be great, but I''m not holding my breath.
Why is VOTN such an asshole know-it-all?
[quote]Also it flew 70,000 feet above the earth''s surface...roughly more than double other commercial airliners.%0D\
It should also be noted that by flying that high, passengers were exposed to significantly more radiation than regular trans-Atlantic passengers, who are already getting more than a chest x-ray''s worth of additional radiation exposure.%0D\
BA''s flagship Concorde is located at Manchester airport. I''m sure they used to have it displayed outside, but now it''s in a hanger.
There is a Concorde at the Air and Space Museum in DC (the one out by Dulles Airport). %0D\
That museum is AWESOME--it also has a Space Shuttle.
[quote]It should also be noted that by flying that high, passengers were exposed to significantly more radiation than regular trans-Atlantic passengers\
No, that''s simply untrue.\
Please see link.
I never flew the Concorde, but I''m convinced that several of my flights were really on a converted Greyhound with wings.
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LMAO@r61 and r62.\
Troll-dar is amazing!
r19 and r45, it sounds like it was a fabulous ride. %0D\
I''m so jealous! %0D\
Thanks for sharing your memories. %0D
R59... actually sorta true. You were vunerable to solar flares, but yeah, halving the flight time while doubling the rate of exposure did sorta balance out in general.%0D
It all sounds so luxurious and exclusive! I bet that instead of peanuts they handed out macadamia nuts or some other fancy shit
Speaking of luxury, I would have liked to cross the Atlantic on one of the German airships (not the Hindenberg''s last flight of course).%0D\
The airships carried over 30,000 passengers across the Atlantic.
Just ask them to fill it up with helium first.\
Otherwise, you''re sitting in luxury under a very, very large bomb, even before you get to Lakehurst.
The Voice of the Night
The plan was to fill them with helium but the US wouldn''t sell it to them what with those Nazis running around and all.%0D\
I was one of the "once-in-a-lifetimer". Flew it from CDG to JFK. I, too, could feel the thrust of the plane as it took off and definitely watched the Machometer as it approached Mach 2. Once airborne, the flight was similar to others. The pitch wasn't great. I'd say a 40" pitch but the service was impeccable. Of course, I did this in the mid-80s and service in general was much better then today, even in First Class. I also remember seek v the curvature of the earth. Pretty cool. My recollection was that it flew at 54,000'. My initial thought was that if time was an issue, it's the only way to go. For pure luxury, a First Class 747 was much roomier. I believe the price difference was about $300 in 1986. The cabin was small. I'm 6'4 and almost hit the ceiling when standing erect (stop laughing, Jack). I'm so glad I did it. I had gotten sone money from an Uncle who past away and plunked down the $2100 and never looked back. Best thing I ever did! My latest once-in-a-lifetime is to do the 380 in First. I'm torn between Singapore and Emirates. Until that decision is made, I'm not going to worry about the cost ;)...
cool story r70.%0D\
If you pay for my ticket, I will be more than happy to accompany you on your latest adventure. %0D\
ok.... I have to at least try. ;)
[quote]I was surprised at how small they are compared to the jumbo jets that usually fly transatlantic.\
I was too, R37. I landed at Dulles once in the early 90s and I saw one parked at a gate and thought the same thing.
Considering how far first class seats have progressed, I wonder if people would still pay a premium for the Concorde even though the flight is so much shorter.\
I mean, Air France''s Airbus fleet''s first class cabins usually have fewer than a dozen pods.
The Voice of the Night
[quote]You were vunerable to solar flares, but yeah, halving the flight time while doubling the rate of exposure did sorta balance out in general.
Concorde was equipped with a radiation detector. If it detected elevated levels, the plane descended to around 45,000 feet.
[quote]Considering how far first class seats have progressed, I wonder if people would still pay a premium for the Concorde even though the flight is so much shorter
Most downgraded to business class as BA had a flat-bed product by the time Concorde retired from service.
Demand on Air France for first class between New York and Paris also dropped.
It was all about speed. Comfort was secondary.
It was not unusual, however, for an executive to leave London or Paris on Concorde in mid-morning, arriving in New York between 8:45 and 9:20 am. They could the spend a full day in meetings in New York including drinks and an early dinner and be on one of the last flights back, arriving the next morning.
It made for a long day, but there were people who did it routinely once or twice a month.
[quote]I mean, Air France's Airbus fleet's first class cabins usually have fewer than a dozen pods.
Only the A380s have first class. There are nine first class seats.
[quote]I'm torn between Singapore and Emirates.
Well, Emirates has showers but Singapore service and food is usually amazing.
Emirates has 14 suites vs. Singapore's 12.
And if you're traveling with a partner, you can have your two suites made up as a double bed. No sex allowed.
How do they know if you''re having sex?
The 727 was the best designed commercial plane of all time.%0D
I love that museum r58. I didn''t even get to stay long since we were on our way out and I was with family. I wanted to look at everything but the only thing that got to them was the massive McDonald''s, they loved that.
"How do they know if you''re having sex?"%0D\
There''s a flight attendant hiding under the bed with a taser gun, just in case
[quote]How do they know if you''re having sex?\
Voice recognition software. \
Certain phrases, like "Mama like," "Yeah, baby!" or "Oh, England!" will set off a klaxon horn and alert the steward.
This reminds me of that TV movie "SST - Death Flight" with Bert Convy, Robert Reed, Tina Louise, and Billy Crystal.
I love these sorts of DL threads. What was the difference in service between the BA and AirFrance flights?
The French service was better than the British one. The Concorde was a French inventionand it was a question of national pride for them. Nothing was spared to make it the ultimate luxurious experience: best champagne, best food, French perfumes and gifts. The Brits were more down-to earth, less refined but still excellent.
Another difference between Emirates and Singapore is that there is a lounge on Emirates as well as showers. That said, I did have an opportunity to fly Singapore from Sydney to Singapore in First. One of the bes flights I ever took. I preordered Lobster Thermador for my meal and ot was amazing vthey offered a choice between Dom and Krug. They had leather bound menus as well as their own stationary in the desk. The on demand videos were on a 14" screen (larger ones are now available). As for the service, it was impeccable. Overall, Singapore truly has an amazing product which is why it is regularly chosen as the flying public''s favorite airliner...
The Concorde was clearly a special way to fly, but the all-time champion remains the old Pan Am Clippers.\
Imagine crossing the Pacific or following the coast of South America down to Rio and landing in the harbor.
Well, speaking of the Clipper, Pan Am Flight 6 DITCHED in the middle of the Pacific in October 1956.\
During the flight leg from HNL to SFO, two of the engines lost power and it was determined that the plane would not make it to either airport. \
However the US Coast Guard maintained a ship called an "ocean station" between Hawaii and California--don''t know why--and the plane headed for it. \
Circled until daylight while it burned off all its fuel and ditched. The tail broke off but all 31 aboard evacuated into the life rafts before the plane sank and were picked up within 10 minutes by the Coast Guard.\
-sorry Wiki says it was a Boeing 377 Stratocruiser; it was *called* Clipper Sovereign of the Skies. The story is very dramatic, much better than what I''ve written here.
"However the US Coast Guard maintained a ship called an "ocean station" between Hawaii and California--don''t know why--and the plane headed for it."\
Damn, they found out where I got my idea for a floating fortress.
Never. Flew but went to a cocktail party on one when it was at the intercontinental airport in Houston years ago.
So beautiful. Always wanted to fly it New Year's Eve where you could have several celebrations as you flew thru different time zones
What a beauty
Geez, guys - thanks for such a fascinating thread - never flew the Concorde - would have loved to - grew up with the Wichita aviation tradition - went to PUBLIC schools with the Beech and the Wallace (Cessna) kids, and of course, Boeing families from all strata. Thanks for your great personal Concord stories.
[quote] It was not unusual, however, for an executive to leave London or Paris on Concorde in mid-morning, arriving in New York between 8:45 and 9:20 am. They could the spend a full day in meetings in New York including drinks and an early dinner and be on one of the last flights back, arriving the next morning.
We had a heart surgeon from France who used to do that. He had invented a certain procedure and our chief surgeon idolized him. He would come over, scrub in, observe surgery, sometimes take part in the operation, then have late lunch/early dinner and go home.
I love these geek threads. That is some incredible footage at R90. Thanks for posting.
[quote]the fact that the plane actually stretched six to ten inches in flight as the airframe heated
Could someone please explain this a bit more? I don't understand how this stretching could occur without damaging the structural integrity. Why don't windows pop out of their frames, etc.?
Wasn't the Concorde crash caused by debris left by the plane that had just used the runway? IIRC, the tire puncture was caused by this debris.