- My suggestion, try first to be friends and good neighbors. Build a relationship and then mention it. But not from a standpoint of no smoking, but a mutual resolution. I am a former smoker (1 year) and I was sensitive to my neighbors as one of them had issues (asthma or something). Our solution was I smoked on the other side of the deck (2nd level) so it has some ability to dissipate before wafting over to them. But, under no circumstances would I have put up with a neighbor who demanded that I not smoke outside. My house, my rules. So be careful.
- Have you considered wrapping your entire house and yard in a giant plastic bubble? Or maybe breathing from those portable oxygen tanks that you see the elderly using?%0D\
Either that or a suicide pact. You''re both far too delicate for this world if a neighbor smoking on their property has you in this much of a tizzy.%0D\
PS: your last paragraph is a riot. Just this side of "overplayed". Most won''t catch it but that is gold-star trolling, playing the MARY!-angle to the hilt.
- [quote]I''m allergic to smoke, and so is my partner (!) and we''re sick for a day after a slight exposure. It''s physical, not psychological.\
Are you also tender to the touch? You know, fibromyalgia is also a very real disease.
- I see R1 and R2 swapped spots in the queue.\
OP, I agree that you have to build a rapport first, but you have to start somewhere, and do be careful. Go over and introduce yourselves, welcome them to the neighborhood and such. You said they like to drink, so bring a bottle of something and make nice.\
Perhaps you could be a little sneaky and plant a suggestion first, that makes them think about the closeness to your house. Say, "oh, please let us know if our jazz music is too loud on Sundays", or something like that, and see what happens.\
I hope they aren''t homophobes, or violent.
- Guess you must stay indise your house all the time, MARY!
- Move to Maine.
- "We tried moving to the side yard on the other side of the building, but the smoke followed us."\
Is it still following you? Look out! I think I see it watching you from behind the potted palm.
- Put a note on their door that says:\
[quote]Do NOT smoke within fifty feet of my home. // Do NOT do it. // Do NOT even think about it. // If I return to my fresh new carefully selected home to see that I am sharing smoke-filled airspace with a neighbor, I will rip the cigarette out of your lips for you. No ifs, ands, or buts. // I am telling you NOW so I do not have to tell you THEN.\
I hear it works wonders to state your boundaries so clearly.
- Funny one, R8!\
OP: I am very sorry you and the partner are so allergic to tobacco smoke.\
What about crack smoke?
- [quote]I''m allergic to smoke, and so is my partner (!) and we''re sick for a day after a slight exposure. It''s physical, not psychological.\
No, it''s psychological. You and your partner suffer from Uptight Queen Syndrome. Symptoms include pearl-clutching at the sight of unruly children, and sphincter-clenching upon encountering a faint cigarette smell.
- You''re fucked.
- A few things, OP.
1. It actually is psychological, not physical. There is no physical human allergy to secondhand cigarette smoke, and that goes doubly so if it's a brief whiff in an unenclosed environment. You should probably both seek therapy, and lots of it, for this and your undoubted numerous other anal-retentive issues.
2. Most smokers I know these days (a dwindling number, admittedly) go outside to smoke either because they don't want to stink up the house, or because they don't want to expose their kids to secondhand smoke. If your neighbors are heavy smokers, and it sounds like they are, they will be outside all the time smoking. You will be met with either belly laughs or an angry tirade if you ask them to stop because of your "allergy," and your request will not be heeded.
3. If you and your partner simply refuse to deal with your underlying psychological problems in regards to cigarette smoke, buy a big, powerful outdoor fan and aim it at your neighbor's porch whenever they step out to smoke.
- I AM DR. AMY BISHOP!\
STOP SMOKING WHERE YOUR SMOKE CAN CHASE ME!\
- If I smoked and I was in my own backyard on my own patio smoking a perfectly legal cigarette that I had bought with my own money (and paid a buncha tax thereon), and you came over to ask me not to smoke when I notice either you or your partner are outside in your yard, I would sympathize with you about your allergy and tell you nicely to get stuffed. \
Do not say a word to them, OP, unless you pay them for their forbearance.
- You should make sure no cars drive by your house because the exhaust from cars is FAR more toxic than any cigarette smoke.
- The cigarette smoke is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!
- R12 is wrong on #1. I''ve been allergic to all kinds of smoke all my life -- it''s hell during field burning season here in the semi-rural Midwest -- but had a slight resistance built up to it when I lived with my parents, both smokers. As an adult, I visited my parents for holidays, and twice after Thanksgiving I ended up in the emergency room because I couldn''t breathe after being exposed to their smoky house for an afternoon.\
That said, my pollen and smoke allergies are getting worse as the years go on, but even *I* don''t have much problem with smoke outside, especially not if the smoking was done next door for Pete''s sake.\
If you''re just overly irritated by the smell, then I suggest using a light outdoor fan to blow the smoke away.
- [quote]After eight years living next door to the place as a drug hole where teen prostitution went on, and then eight years of sitting next to it empty and derelict,%0D\
Honey, second hand smoke is the least of your problems. Where do you live, exactly? Detroit?
- Is this the same smoke monster that was on LOST?
- I wouldn''t ask for advice in a message board full of crack whores, OP.
- [quote]As an adult, I visited my parents for holidays, and twice after Thanksgiving I ended up in the emergency room because I couldn''t breathe after being exposed to their smoky house for an afternoon.\
That''s asthma, and being locked up in your parents'' smoky house all day is a FAR cry from becoming "sick for a full day" after a "slight exposure," as the OP claims he does.
- op, you mean to tell me none of those whores and druggies smoked?\
The smell of burning crack didn''t bug you?\
How can you drive in traffic? What the fuck to you do if you are stuck in bumper to bumper highway traffic? You must want to blow your brains out. \
You poor thing.
- I smell lesbian drama.
- There''s an easy answer if you''re allergic to secondhand smoke: Start smoking.\
Firsthand smoke is much better anyway.
- Your breasts are jiggling, R2.
Guess It''s Time For You To Up The Bra Size
- I forgot how much I love Dr. Amy Bishop posts! Thanks Amy!
- Jesus Fucking Christ.%0D\
You''re NOT ALLERGIC TO SMOKE, OP.%0D\
Christ, you anti-smoking nazis are just as delicate as porcelin butterflies. And you''re passive aggressive too.%0D\
Get the fuck over it.
not even a smoker
- I hope they throw peanuts at the OP while they''re smoking. Just like he was a little pigeon. You just know the OP has a sensitivity to peanuts.
- [quote]we''re sick for a day after a slight exposure.%0D\
Oh, honestly. I''m not a smoker, but if you approached me with this bullshit I''d dismiss you as a loon.
- Thread not going as you had planned, is it OP.
- "We have hollies planted for privacy between them."\
A bit too elaborate.
- WE had a case about this in Stow, Ohio. You can search the archives in ohio.com about it.%0D\
The neighbor was allergic to smoke, the smoking neighbors went outside to smoke, the whiny neighbor sued the smoking neighbor, complained he could smell the smoke with all his windows closed- even during the winter, blah, blah, blah.%0D\
The smoking neighbor won the case and the whiny neighbor was pissed. (I think he was professor at Kent State).%0D\
All parties were straight and hateful.%0D\
I''m an ex-smoker but sided with the smoker. It was her apartment and her patio.%0D\
I think you should move, OP. Sell the shack for what you can get for it and head for the hills. I mean, if you live in a neighborhood that had teenage prostitution, how much could your property be worth now?%0D\
And you are worried about smoke? %0D\
- As my sweet old dad used to say to me when I would complain about his cigarette smoke in an enclosed car, "Shut the hell up".\
There really is something to be said about the old days.
- I haven''t read the entire thread, but FUCK what R12 said. I am highly allergic to cigarette smoke. I will have a severe migraine for the entire day after breathing in secondhand smoke. My nose is extemely sensitive to it and I usually can smell smoke before anyone else around me can.%0D\
I empathize with you, OP. I don''t know what your set up is but is there anyway you could put an outdoor fan on your deck to blow the smoke out of your direction? Plant more plants? If I were in your situation I would seriously consider moving. Even if they smoked on the other side of the deck I''d be able to smell it. Is it even worth bringing it up?%0D\
Wish I could help you, bro.
- I bet you''re allergic to peanuts too, R34.
Not Tender to the Touch Enough
- R34 is full of bullshit.%0D\
Much like this thread.
- I like how no one was "allergic" to smoke 50 years ago. Now, because smoking has been proven to be a health detriment, people have decided they''re ALLERGIC to secondhand smoke. It''s just people wanting to control the behaviors of other people. That''s what this ALL boils down to.
- What R37 said. Oh, and I''ll throw in another MARY for good measure.
- Tobacco smoke can be an irritant but it has not been proven to be an allergen. In fact cigarette smoke may have a beneficial effect upon people with allergies (see article at link).
actual asthmatic who thinks OP''s a drama queen
- Allergic or not, you''re not happy with the situation. Remain constructive. Think about how you''d want to be treated. \
Outdoor fan, good idea.\
Asking them what THEY think can be done might be a good place to start. Make it clear that the best solution is something that works for everyone.\
At some point smoking is legal and that ends the discussion. You''ve got to work within that boundary.
- Move, you whiny little twerp. And move into a place where smoking is prohibited.%0D\
There is no such thing as a "smoke allergy". Your body is merely responding to SMOKE. Breating in cigarette smoke does nothing to your immune system, and that''s why it''s not a real allergy.%0D\
[quote]After eight years living next door to the place as a drug hole where teen prostitution went on, and then eight years of sitting next to it empty and derelict, as we landscaped and mowed and did everything to keep it from looking like what it was, it would be nice to have an agreeable resolution.%0D\
Your first mistake was moving into a place like that. Of course your neighbors will be smokers in a trashy area like that.
- What R40 said. I can''t stand cigarette smoke but I would take that any day over the kid who has been screaming for six fucking years, over the back fence and down two houses (I posted about this a few years ago. Yesterday the parents gave this terror a vuvuzela.%0D\
I could use suggestions, too.
we call the police, have written letters, called CPS...
- r42, I suggest the Paul Lynde approach on his parents.\
"Are you the parents of this little shit who keeps playing the vuvuzela? Because if you don''t shut him up..."
I''m sure you remember the rest of the quote
- I like the fan response.\
I don''t smoke and really hate it when people smoke outside my window (because they don''t want to smoke up *their* homes).\
My sympathies, OP, it sucks just like loud music that won''t quit. \
Unfortunately, I think trying to direct the smoke away from you is the best solution. It''s your property, you have control over what you want to do. It won''t stop it, but I think it will help limit the smoke coming your way, and that''s what you want to stop.
- Have sex in the front yard. They already have the cigarette.
- [quote]At some point smoking is legal\
And outdoors on your own property, it is likely to remain that way.\
Assuming you are sincere, OP, you may have to move to a place where your nearest neighbor is acres away.\
I know a young woman who gags at the smell of cooking meat and can''t be near people eating meat. She can''t go to parks where people are cooking out. She avoids most restaurants. But she realizes it is her problem, not others''. \
If I were her next-door neighbor and she asked me not to barbecue steaks on my deck because the smell drifts into her yard, I would have to find a polite and civil way to ask her to fuck off. But this would never happen, because she seems to understand there are some things she can''t control. She jokes about, actually.
- In some California towns, it is illegal to smoke outdoors. Where do you live?
- Or the kid who rides his Big Wheel up and down the driveway on Saturday mornings.
- Heaven forbid if your neighbors like to grill over charcoal.\
If that happens, call 911.
- As if they''ll make it to the phone in time, R49. Both OP and his partner will puff up and turn blue before the neighbors even flip their burgers.
- grow up and toughen up you obnoxious queens. People smoke and no you''re not allergic to it... you just don''t like the smell. \
i don''t smoke but i have bigger things to worry about than breathing in a little smoke now and then. Maybe they hate the pollen from your fucking holly trees
- I grew up, as did most everyone under 45 or so, in a household headed by parents of the WW2 era, most of whom smoked constantly and with great vigor. I''m amused by my contempories, who now act as if the faintest scent of smoke is equivalent of exposure to mustard gas.%0D\
OP is a troll, but a very amusing one.
- Should read: "OVER 45 or so"
r52, now jumping out of the window for his grievous mistake
- But we are such delicate hothouse orchids! We positively break out into a major RASH if a cigarette is smoked within a mile of us!
OP and his boyfriend
- Before I quit smoking, a neighbor lady asked me to stop smoking on my deck, because she could smell the smoke when she was gardening.%0D\
We lived in a rural subdivision in Washington state, and each of us had a quarter acre lot.%0D\
I suggested that she garden on that side of her before 10 a.m. %0D\
She later brought me some strange Swedish fish as a peace offering. The fish stank to high heaven, but every one in that are loved it.
- "that side of her house"..sorry.
- It''s called lutefisk R55.
- But are they gargoyles?
- OP here, amused, abashed, disgusted and appreciative with perhaps the same predictable proportions as the posts. I suppose we'll wait, seek rapport and see if some understanding can be reached, if that's possible. I don't know if trying to blow a fan at people will work. That I didn't like them on sight betrays my biases, but I don't care for smokers, beyond the sensitivity I have to their stink - they are, after all, drug addicts under legal cover, and have all the traits of same.
As for the posts here, I suppose the deniers, the gay homophobes, the smoking enthusiasts, the usual thugs (yeah, everyone with a respiratory problem is a hot-house flower, assholes, and of course not wanting to breathe a person's funk is the sign of a controller) are all part of the colorful DL anonymous party.
I understand about the people with lousy neighbors. I've learned to live with the city-dwellers, and have faced down the drug dealers and gay-bashing teens, but the suburbanites moving in who contribute nothing except - well - their tobacco smoke, they're a different kind of pest.
Oh, charcoal smoke isn't a problem. Like I said, it's an allergy. Peanuts are fine. In fact, the only other thing that makes us sick is shithead losers, so I'm very grateful so many of the posters here are nowhere close to us, or we'd be in the ER. But thanks to the decent people for their suggestions and thoughts!
- Despite R21''s claim, I don''t have asthma. Originally it was assumed I had non-allergic rhinitis, but nasal sprays didn''t work for me on smoke or perfumes; however, antihistamines do help when I''m having symptoms. Nasal sprays help with the pollen allergies I have as well as the allergies from field burning.\
That''s why I assume there''s something I''m allergic to that burns in cigarettes beyond the actual tobacco, and it''s probably true for others as well. That said, there is so much diffusion of the smoke in OP''s situation that I can''t imagine it''s even possible to have an allergic reaction in that instance.
- Thanks, 57.
- OP, are you from the beef-curtained tribe?
- Oh dear god, OP you''ve proven yourself to be an uptight, judgmental asshole with that "they''re drug addicts" comment. \
- OP is there something else bothering you in your life that has provoked you into fixating on the smokers? They have the right to smoke on their property. When smoking becomes illegal, then you can do something about it and stop with the allergy stuff, nobody apart from some wilting petals is buying it. %0D\
It is interesting that crack addicts, gay bashers etc don''t upset you as much as the smokers. Maybe therapy would help.
- I am a smoker, and am not sure how I would feel if someone asked me to stop smoking in my own backyard.
I am VERY respectful of other people, and their desire not to be around cigarettes. I smoke in my own apartment, and don't smoke around people I don't know unless I ask if they mind. I would never in a million years think to smoke in someone else's house, or even on THEIR balcony, unless they were a smoker. So I wouldn't be outside on my deck smoking unless I was outside on my desk anyway, I wouldn't be using my deck as my ashtray.
If a neighbor had come over and asked me very nicely not to do it, I keep thinking that how I reacted would really heavily depend on the person and the circumstances. And to be honest, if the story was "a sniff of smoke makes us both sick for a day," I'd say sure, I won't smoke anymore, and light up the moment you left. Sorry, but the hypochondria is screaming through the interwebs on that one.
Now, if it was that your great-grandma was on oxygen and you were terrified a spark was going to start a fire, well, then...I'd stop.
So, uh, lie? Or get an air filter. If a good air filter can make it so MY apartment doesn't smell like smoke (to other people, I would never trust my own sense of smell), I'm sure it can help yours.
- I hate the smell coming from my neighbor''s house at dinner time. Every night, there is the stench of meat cooking. I literally get nauseous. Should I ask them to stop? I know it''s not illegal but my partner and I are vegans and we literally get sick for DAYS when we smell that roasting flesh! They''re meat addicts!
OP''s partner, finding something else to obsess over.
- Here''s a good article, OP, which explains why it is medically impossible to have an "allergy" to cigarette smoke.
- You could try asking them really nicely OP, without being a basket case over it while all the time understanding that if they choose to treat you like the overly dramatic hothouse orchid that you are that they are well within their rights - legal and social.%0D\
And chalk it up to living in the world with, you know, people.
They probably hate the smell of nutloaf, but you don''t hear them complaining...
- Find an indoor hobby or wear simple face mask when out in your garden. As the neighbours are not breaking the law, I would say it is up to you and your partner to adjust.
- OP, do you also ask people on a plane to switch seats with you so that you and your partner can sit together, even though you have a middle seat and they have a window seat?%0D\
Because it really is all about you, you know.
- Good grief OP- get a medium to large size box fan, put it on a table or stand, (on your deck), face it toward your neighbor''s yard, and the smoke won''t make it to your deck. Problem solved for $20.
- I''m a smoker, and if anyone asked me to stop smoking in my backyard, I''d struggle not to laugh in their face. I''d have to compose myself though, to tell them politely that I don''t intend to stop smoking on my property any time soon. I''d love to quit, but sure as hell not for that reason.\
I''m not a crazed "smokers rights" advocate. I support bans in bars and I hate smokers who stand right outside entrances, or who walk down the street trailing smoke. I''m extremely conscious of where I smoke in public, and how it affects others around me. I''m a considerate smoker.\
I''d be willing to adjust where in the yard I smoked, within reason, but I wouldn''t just stop for an overly sensitive neighbor. Sorry, it''s my right, I''m practicing it on my own property, and there''s really no logical reason to believe it has any lasting or oppressive effect on someone more than 20 feet away and behind a fence, too.
- [quote]Good grief OP- get a medium to large size box fan, put it on a table or stand, (on your deck), face it toward your neighbor''s yard, and the smoke won''t make it to your deck. Problem solved for $20.\
But that doesn''t provide the OP with the satisfaction of telling someone else what to do on his own property!
- Run your sprikler, it helps knock down the smoke and it may just soak them
- Can''t you hang out in your front yard, OP?
- I work for a chainsmoker. The good news is that he''s also an alcoholic, so I rarely see him. And his equal at the office is a non-smoker (like me), so when he does show, he has to step outside. I often go with him to speak and it doesn''t seem to bother me too much, the smoking outdoors. Not any more than the thousands of other pollutants I''m exposed to daily. But I was laid up for three goddamn days after having dinner with him last week, at which he consumed an entire pack of cigarettes, blown back into my face. I woke up in the middle of the night with my throat closed up, and the next morning feeling like my head was filled with cotton. I stayed in bed all day feeling like utters shit. It was like the worst pollen allergy I''ve ever experienced times a thousand.\
That said, I''m sorry, but a next door neighbor''s smoke wafting across the begonias? What do you do when they park their car in their own driveway? Call the fire department?
- Fascinating, OP, that you and your partner have the exact same exceedingly rare allergy. What are the odds?
- [quote]OP, do you also ask people on a plane to switch seats with you so that you and your partner can sit together, even though you have a middle seat and they have a window seat?\
The logistics of this analogy make no sense.
- I have a very similar situation, OP.%0D\
I was more irritated by the jabber jabber of these two queens than the fact that they were smoking cigarettes.%0D\
I was cleaning one afternoon, and they were out there talking on the porch and smoking, and I was cleaning near the window.%0D\
I simply looked out the window at them, and said "Hey."%0D\
They said "OH, is the smoke bothering you?" The look on their faces was so sincere and calm, it totally diffused my anger. I said "Actually, no. I''m just saying ''hey''".%0D\
They then started talking to me through the window, and I ended up taking a break from cleaning to have a glass of wine with them.%0D\
Guess what? I don''t care when I hear them talk or smell the smoke. I know they are nice people.
- R67, that article was written by some guy named "webdan65" and the first sentence reads "your nose drips like a facet". That''s not a good sign.\
Anyway, the theory is that smoke doesn''t cause allergic rhinitis, only nonallergic (vasomotor) rhinitis, but it is JUST a theory. From the article linked below:\
[italic]there is insufficient evidence to reliably differentiate between allergic and nonallergic rhinitis based on signs and symptoms alone. The minimum level of diagnostic testing needed to differentiate between the two types of rhinitis also has not been established.[/italic]\
Anyway, the article is just from the American Academy of Family Physicians. I''m sure it doesn''t compare to what "webdan65" said.
- So, OP, you have had as neighbors, drug dealers, teen aged prostitutes, derelicts, and now this partying crew? Have you considered perhaps moving to an environment that is more in keeping with your particular brand of airs and sensitivities?
- I would go out and buy a big sprinkler that went backwards and forwards across their lot and whenever they came outside, just turn on the sprinkler to get them wet and scare them away.%0D\
After all, based on all of the advice here, if the source of irritation originates on someone else''s lot, it is fully their right to irritate you regardless of any discomfort or inconvenience. If it works with smoke, why not water?
- I agree with many of the posters here. I don''t smoke, but you know what? With all the problems and troubles in this country right now (the world, actually), someone smoking in their own yard would be the last thing I''d worry about.
- [quote]WE had a case about this in Stow, Ohio. You can search the archives in ohio.com about it.\
Gee, I''d love to but I''m still plowing my way through "Foucault''s Pendulum."
- Have you considered a large can of Febreze, some surgical masks and two tampons?
- This threads proves one thing I''ve already suspected: Most DLers are obnoxious smokers who don''t give a fuck about other people and who''ll mock and taunt you for even suggesting their gross puffing causes someone else discomfort.\
Get crazy on them OP, Put a fence up, mount an outdoor fan on your back patio which points towards them and will help divert their shit back at them... Make some unpleasant odors of your own.. If that doesn''t help, step it up. If people think you''re a crazy motherfucker, they''ll leave you the fuck alone. It''s the only way to deal with assholes like that.
- I''ve never smoked a cig in my life, and I still think OP is being ridiculous.
- [quote]If people think you''re a crazy motherfucker, they''ll leave you the fuck alone. It''s the only way to deal with assholes like that.\
It clearly works for you. It may not be terribly effective for adults, however.
- "OP, do you also ask people on a plane to switch seats with you so that you and your partner can sit together, even though you have a middle seat and they have a window seat?"%0D\
Hey, R70 - Last month someone actually did ask me to swap seats - for the 1st time ever! She was in the middle seat in my aisle and I was in the aisle seat. And her partner was in the aisle seat ahead of us. They were watching out for me and as soon as I appeared (and before I sat down), they asked me whether I would mind swapping seats with the partner - which I did, very happily. AND I THOUGHT OF DATALOUNGE AS I DID IT!
- Did the eight years of teen rape that occurred on your watch merit any 911 calls? So long as they weren''t fucking on the porch right next to your window you were ok with it?
- Dude, you''ve got to kill John Locke to keep the smoke from following you
- I''m in love with R84.
Something tells me you don''t have the gumption to plow through anything that requires thought.
- It would seem that your neighborhood is %0D\
highly allergic to gentrification, OP.%0D\
And the Colored Girls Sing.."Move, Move, Move..MoveMoveMove..
- OP, look on the bright side. I am a cigar smoker, and if you lived next to me an politely asked me to stop, I''d politely tell you to fuck off.
- Are you aware, OP, that when you walk on a sidewalk on a busy street, that you inhale more smoke (carninogenic tars etc) than you do if a person is smoking in the same romm as you?%0D\
How do your allegies to smoke manifest themselves, asthsma-like closing of the airways? I assume this happens in traffic as well where everyone is exposed to far more smoke.
- [quote]Are you aware, OP, that when you walk on a sidewalk on a busy street, that you inhale more smoke (carninogenic tars etc) than you do if a person is smoking in the same romm as you?\
I''m not the OP, and I disagree with his/her control freak tendencies, but I find this statistic a bit puzzling--and I''m afraid I can''t accept it just because you''re a doctor, charlie. This may be true even for NYC or LA, but can it also be true for Eugene, OR, or Peoria, IL, or some tiny town in Vermont? There aren''t that many busy streets in those towns.\
Also, time on a busy street is usually very limited for most people: time in a room is usually prolonged.
- OP, You''re not allergic to smoke. You just don''t like it. And I don''t like you. \
Maybe I''m allergic to you and your fugly partner having boring sex once a year. How would I address that?
- Just as I stated R97- a busy street with regular traffic going by, and when you are in a car in traffic on the road as well.%0D\
Not a statistic, an epidemiologic fact- from my pulmonolgisst colleagues.%0D\
I used to run up the West Side along the West Side highway- when I was reminded on this by a colleague. He said you are actually probably doing yourself more harm than good. So I stay in the park (Riverside) as much as possible.%0D\
R97- WHY do you think there is more lung cancer and asthma and COPD in general in cities? It''s not cigarettes. Fact of urban life- one of the reasons why the Japanese where face masks in Tokyo.%0D\
By the way- I think the OP and his or her partner are a tad nuts, if this is really a legitimate post. Being alive is a risk, but that is not a reason to therefore die.
- [quote]Not a statistic, an epidemiologic fact- from my pulmonolgisst colleagues.\
Again, that''s not enough (but how like a doctor to assume his word should be enough for anyone). What you say may well be true, but if you want me to accept it as "fact," you''ll have to provide an actual link--your casual anecdotal evidence from your pulmonogist colleagues is not enough.
- Also, again: busy on the Upper West Side Highway is very different from busy on the Main Street of, say, King of Prussia, PA, or of Climax, MN. How do you know the OP and his/her partner live in NYC where traffic is much heavier than in many other American cities?
- I have MS. Many people with MS have chemical sensitivities. Nobody knows precisely why. I have chemical sensitivities that make me physically ill.
Know what? It's MY problem. I'm the one that should have to adjust to a real world, and I do.
Example: I'm in an elevator with perfumes and colognes. I get off the freakin elevator. I don't preach the evils of perfumes and get indignant about how my rights are being violated. Good grief.
Are all you rabid anti-smoke people really ready to go down this slippery slope? Are you going to champion all those with chemical sensitivities and support a ban on perfume and cologne? Rules about when and where people can wear scents? How about the jasmine in your yard that makes me nauseated and might cause me to pass out? Do I get to tell you what you can and can not plant in your garden?
Get real people. It's a big fucking world and we're all trying to get through together.
It really ISN'T always about you. And it isn't always all about me so I cope.
Try it sometime.
- I don''t R101. But my guess is they follow cars in traffic regularly like anyone who drives and they give a lungful then. The OP implied the suburbs I believe.%0D\
Point is, the OP and his partner are badly overreaching and reacting, and also do not seem to know all of what they are speaking about. Allergies to smoke? Like the person who can smell smoke before anyone else on this thread who has the allergy- more a psych issue than a real immune mediated allergy (which is what allergies are- an overreaction to a stimulus.)
- r12 response idea #3 is the only thing that may work.
- Kudos to you, R102. When I read the first sentence of your post I was ready for someone playing the disabled card. I''m glad you didn''t.\
See, I also have MS, and like I wrote my my post at R95 I am a cigar smoker. By the way, MS and chemical sensitivities have nothing to do with each other.
- No such thing as allergy to cigarettes?\
I had a allergy test (the weird apparatus with liquid chambers and nails) which proved I am allergic to tobacco.
- I thought of this thread yesterday. I went to an open house and the neighbor was sitting on her deck smoking a cigarette.
- I don''t really see the problem-o.\
- cigarette smoke makes me feel like shit and I try to avoid it. and if OP were a real douche, he''d have said something to his neighbours already, instead of coming here.
- Dear Anonymous Ass,\
Please die already, or perhaps you have. I hope so. As a child, I grew up with a smoker parent, he died at 54. I have CHRONIC respiratory problems. I have LOSER neighbors that smoke on their porch 9'' from my house. They have their 1 year old out there all the time. If you don''t think smoking is harmful, have you ever heard of science? Have you? I don''t feel like my loser neighbors have a right to infiltrate MY house or MY yard with their loser 2nd and 3rd hand smoke! I have a right to live in my house and my yard and so does my TODDLER without dealing with CARCINOGENS willingly given off by my LOSER neighbors because they don''t have the willpower to not smoke. Awwwww. Poor things. They have a right to be DRUG ADDICTS. Talk about psychological problems. Dear Anonymous, Fuck OFF. Go find yourself a smoker''s island, contract your cancer and let the rest of us breathe. Thanks so much! xo!
- This might sound stupid OP but have you tried placing a fan on that side of the deck to blow it back? Unfortunately hardcore smokers are outside all the time.
- There''s nothing wrong with saying you hate cigarette smoke (as I do) but saying you''re allergic to it is ridiculous.
- Another vote for the fan. An additional benefit is that they may comment about it and this will provide the perfect opening for you to explain WHY you are doing it. That way you get to present your story, yet still look like the good guy because "you didn''t want to bother them about it."
- You need a couple of well placed powerful fans.\
If asked just tell them it it to keep their smoke in their yard. I had this problem, I bought the fans and the neighbors smoked less and less outside because I think the fans annoyed them.
- Put up a tall fence!
- Install one of these on the far side of the deck and have it blow over your deck onto the neighbours'' deck. No smoke will ever bother you again (nor will the neighbours I''m guessin'').
- R110, how on earth did you manage to find a bump a thread that has laid dormant for almost a full year???\
And, um, why?
- The OP and his partner are now dead. Tension with the neighbors escalated to tragic results. I can say no more.
- What a terrible ordeal for OP and his lover.
Starving orphans of Darfur.
- Here''s what to do, OP: take a loaded gun and point it at your partner''s head. Pull trigger. Reload, place barrel of gun in your mouth, pull trigger again. Problems solved.
- No 119, twas the contact with 3rd hand smoke what killed ''em.
- I have a neighbor smoking next door and it's not regular cigarettes but illegal drugs and I am over 60 and I have a serious heart condition. I know for certain their are landlord and tenant rules in apartments on drug use or sells. It's in all of the apartment leaseses I have had but in the case
of an apartment a none-smoker does have more rights because illegal smoke is against the law.
These people have lived in this building
longer than me and apparently they have not reviewed their lease properly because the use of any illlegal drug in apartments is against landlord and tenant and stated on the lese clearly never to be tolerated. And no it's not
just one occupant but all of them who smoke this shit. Someone has told this people who smoke crack, whatever illegal smoke that if they lived in the building longer than you it does matter but that is no exception in the lease. I truly have a very serious heart condition and no I have never like smoking any type of cigaratte and I don't do drugs nor m daughter. I tried very tactful by stating to thease neighbors please do not smoke by my apartment door it is coming under my door and it makes me feel very badly due to having aseriou heart condition. Thought I nicely ask, when I close the door I hear all this negative resistence like I have lived here 5 years, the other full is talking some shit about she plays music loud. I play not music but my tv loud when they are parting in the hallway in front of my door , smoking drugs, drinking beer, playing loud music I know for a fact at least two or three of these people reside in the building so why not take that party in your apartment and not right by my door in the hallyway. I know for a fact your not suppose to smoke regular cigarettes and definely drugs in the hallway of an apartment it is deem a fire hazard . I don't really want to report them to management because they are extremelyn Getto and I don't know if they will try to retaliate against me or my daughter who is already extremely nervous just walking by the drug crowd parting in hallway. I think I can break my lease however before the year is up due to livign conditions beating against my health and I do really have medical documents saying that smoking or second hand smoke is very much against my condition. So should I just report it to landlord and tenant and see what they will do.
Break the lease due to unliviable conditions.
But breakign the lease is not really a option for me at this time since I have no money to move right away nor anyone to stay with temporarily. Why do good poor people who follow rules punish by having to live with people who feel they have a right to break every rule and have no regard for no one.
- You're illiterate and racist, R123, so you kind of deserve it.
- R123: Assuming you're not a troll (since there's no humor in your post, why would you be?)
Ignore R124, who is what we call a cunt here, but you either have to settle things with the landlord/manager or move. You can't live with noise/partying/smoke/drugs outside your door, obviously. And you can't live where you don't feel - and aren't - safe. You can also call your city's tenant's rights or your mayor's office if action is taken.
When I called attention to my 14-year-old neighbor turning adult tricks next door, I was called a racist because I "didn't respect cultural difference," Bullshit. Don't accept the racist crap people like R124 dish out that suggests that every minority person automatically is expected to be an addict or criminal. Talk about disgusting. And then to say you deserve to be harassed because you don't like being harassed. That's the attitude of the do-nothing, asshole slackers. An I'm biracial, by the way - my neighbors just didn't know it.
- I posted a post on apartment leases against not regular cigarette smoking but illgal smoke drugs. In my it's still illegal and it is definely stipulated in the LEAS AND NO ONE DESERVES TO SUFFER SIMPLY BECAUSE PEPLE WHO HAVE FUN SMOKING DRUGS OR CIGARGETTES THINK THEIR PLESURE IS MORE IMPORTANT TO ANYONE.
YOU FOOLD ARE ILLELERATE IF I AM TELLING YOU IT IS CLEARLY STATED ON ALL MY APARTMENT LEAESE
ILLEGALLY DRUGS, SMOKING OR OTHERWISE USE ON THE PREMISES, IN FRONT OF IT WHERE IS NOT AT ALL
PERMIT YOU ARE THE TRULY ILLETERIATE FOOL AND SURELY YOU ARE AN ILLETERAIATE FOOL TO THINK THAT IT DOES NOT EFFECT SOMEONE WITH HEART DISEASE AND IT CERTAINLY DOES CAUSE LUNG CANGER. i HAPPEN TO KNOW IT CAUSES PROBLEMS BECAUSE WHEN I WAS YOUNG I LIVED IN BY MOM'S HOUSE WITH MY SERIOUS DRUF USING BROTHER . I NEVER SMOKED ANYTHING YET I WAS COUGHING SO BAD
WITH A SPITIN UP GREEN SLIME AND I WHEN TO THE HOSPITAL THE DOCTOR ASK WAS I SMOKER AND I SAID NEVER, THEN HE ASKED YOU MUST LIVE AROUND
A CHAIN SMOKER AND I REPLIED NOT ONLY ARE THEY CHAIN SMOKING CIGARETTES BUT SMOKING CRACK, ETC AND ANYTHING YOU CAN SMOKE. I HAD AN X-RAY AND THEY DISCOVER A BLACK FILM UPON MY LUNGS. IT IS VERY SERIOUS SECOND HAND SMOKE EFFECTS AND YOU ARE A DOPE SMOKER DRUG USEERS WHO ALWAYS SIDES WITH YOUR CRACK HEAD DOPE USING FRIENDS EVEN WHEN THEY SMOKE IN FRONT OF A INNOCENT BABY OR PREGNANT WOMEN BECAUSE YOU ASSHOLE ARE SELFISH AND CARE ABOUT NO ONE BUT YOURSELFS AND I HAVE PLEANT EXPERIENCE AROUND HARD CORE DRUG ADDICTS PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONAL BEAUSE i worker at a mental facility and they are so defensive instead of admiting they may be wrong to disreprect a sick person or a child with their bad ASS and illegal behavior. your stupid ass drug loser and fuck no I don't like the durg users they killed my fucking mother, tore up her beautiful home and they knew her for years how fucking selfish is that.
- Oh, dear. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- I had a similar problem. I live on the first floor of a multi unit building (6 apartments). My window faces the parking lot and is adjecent to the front door.
Two and sometimes three people from upstairs started sitting on the front steps and smoking. They had a can for their butts and were otherwise ok. But the smoke would drift in through the window.
I wanted to say something but realized there wasn't much I could say. they were obviously smoking outside so as not to smoke in the apartment. And they were cleaning up their trash.
So I ended up closing my window. Well one time I was walking up the front steps and they were sitting there smoking. they moved to let me by. I said 'hey'.
one of them said "hey" back, and then said "i notice you close your window when we come out. Are we being too loud?"
I was really shocked that they'd be that considerate. I said, "thanks for asking, but it's not the noise, you guys aren't too loud. It's just that smoke sometimes comes in the window. I know there's not many places to smoke so I just close the window. but thanks for asking, I appreciate it".
- Well, "smoking" and the gays' "allergies" seem to be the new fibromyalgia.
Put your property up for sale.
Get your next house on farmland.
- That's nice, R128.
- This worked for me:
* New tenant moved in next door (adjacent building) and smoked every hour just in front of their apartment. I asked him to smoke further from my home during the hot weather when all the windows were open. He tried to ignore me. I explained how important it was to us and our smoke-sensitive relative (asthma). He walked further away.
* Then he got lazy and returned to the front of the apartment. I asked him when he was going to move out. He didn't have a move out date. I asked him when he was going to die.
* He didn't move out or die early enough to my satisfaction. We started to water the plants occasionally while he was smoking. I managed to adjust the nozzle very poorly that it started to squirt on him. Ooops.
* I repeated the above. He finally had it and attacked me. Property manager witnessed it and told the cops. Now he has a move out date.
- "we're sick for a day after a slight exposure."
Mary! What delicate orchids you are!
I recommend sealing yourselves up in a cave. The modern world is too harsh for your dainty lungs.
- "i worker at a mental facility"
You misspelled "inmate."
- Sounds drastic especially in this economy, but I would seriously explore moving.
- OP, you think you've got problems! I live in a co-op, almost every night between 11PM-1AM I get the smell of pot smoke in my apartment. The smell is so strong it actually drifts into my apartment, then moves down my hallway into my bedroom. My eyes burn and I get an allergy attack.
It's not anyone on my floor, there are only five apartments per floor, the other four apartment residents are elderly and none of them smoke medical marijuana.
This has been going on for about eight months. Since the hallway and bathroom vents have been cleaned, that's when we all started smelling the pot.
The security guy was called by two of my elderly neighbors, he explained that he cannot start knocking on doors to find out who is smoking.
It's really bizarre how the smell is settling on my floor. I even checked the two stairwells for odors, I didn't smell anything. My neighbor across from me also has the smell in his apartment.
It's pretty hard to figure out the source of the pot smoke, everyone on my floor is simply suffering in silence about four to five times I week. I don't smoke cigarettes or pot, so this stink is pretty damn annoying.
Since it starts about 11PM, it's either someone relaxing after coming home from work or someone smoking before they go to sleep.
- agree r137, move to a no smoking complex. What were you sickly types thinking when you moved there and so close too?
- I want to know how many feet away your outdoor spaces are?
Because you sound a bit nuts.
It's like sitting outdoors in a cafe. If there person 5 feet away from me is smoking, it's intrusive. But if it's 10 or more feet away, it's annoying but I have to deal with it.
- I would have had water hose person arrested for assault.
- [quote] MOVE!!!!!! To a house.
Doesn't really necessarily solve the problem unless you live out in the middle of nowhere on an acre or more of land and have no neighbors for miles.
You can live in a house in the city and have neighbors who smoke, either in a house, or an apt, or both.
- Some of you sound like you REALLY REALLY REALLY should not be living in apartments. Apartments are a necessary evil in large cities, I get that.
I am happy I live in a house, with private walls, floors, ceilings, yard = DISTANCE from my neighbors, but yes, I do live in "flyover country."
- Are you talking to ME, R137?
Surely you are kidding. I worked hard to buy my co-op, I'm not going anywhere because of some pothead. We are figuring this pothead might be the adult child of a resident who has moved in for awhile.
A few weeks ago, I walked past some young guy smoking pot on the grounds, it might be him. I don't know all the tenants in my building.
The co-op lease states that anyone not obeying the rules of the lease can be fined. It depends on the co-op bylaws as far as how many fines/warning you will receive. If the person pays the fines yet doesn't stop whatever they are doing, then eviction proceedings start. Yes, the person can be forced to sell their apartment.
What makes you assume moving to a house would be any different, did you not read OP's dilemma? You can have all sorts of smells drifting over from a neighbors property.
Once again, reading comprehension on DL is non-existent.
- Precious Flower alert @r136.
It's weed. Get over it. And it's NOT making your eyes water and giving you an allergy, that's a fucking lie.
You're just inconvenienced and trying to make yourself out to be a victim.
Maybe you need to loosen up and toke up a fattie because you sound like a mincing prisspot.
- If you are so delicate that smoke drifting over from a neighboring HOUSE afflicts you, then yes, you need to move to a place where you can surround yourself with AT LEAST an acre of yardage.
That or just stfu about it, you wankers.
- The last time I looked, smoking pot or crack inside a co-op or condo IS illegal, so why the hell should I have to move?
I've lived in my co-op for 17 years, I think my rights are pretty clear, not the rights of some young asshole pothead, who most likely doesn't even legally live in my building.
I have to sell my large beautiful co-op, with a low maintenance and no mortgage, because some asshole chooses to get high every night? You guys are completely bonkers!
- co-op guy needs to move his mary ass!
- ASSHOLE@R144....A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT ENJOY THE SMELL OT 'WEED'! A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ALLERGIC TO CIGS, PIPE SMOKE & POT. THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
Their throats close up and the allergies ARE serious and very REAL, you sound like an utter moron.
A lot of people don't smoke weed, so they certainly don't enjoy the annoying smell of it. Sure, not all people are allergic to pot's smell, but it IS annoying to those of us who don't smoke anything, but I do allergies. I take Claritan and use Flonase, so kiss my ass!
IF you need pot to get through your day, I'd say YOU have a problem, get help. A friend who has smoked pot daily for over 25 years, is now seeking help for his addiction.
Wow, how freaking stupid are you? You profess to know who is or isn't allergic to pot smoke? What a joke.
- It is a lievthat you are "allergic". There is no such thing as an allergy to smoke. Jesus.
- R136 is a lonely friendless Mrs kravitz
- Are you 'refusing to leavers" eldergays by chance?
- I would probably burn A LOT of incense out on your deck. If they don't mention it...burn more. When they do mention it, offer a fake apology and tell them that you use it to cover up the smell of cigarette smoke that migrates from their side.
- I think the negative posts re my pothead problem speak volumes about the jealously the young queens who post here,
The basically say the same old shit in any thread: they call others mincing prisspots, delicate flowers, basically it's the same old tired shit they post for any topic.
These types of negative posters only wish they could afford to buy a co-op or a beautiful house, they probably live in some overpriced hovel in Manhattan. They simply cannot relate to these sorts of problems co-op and homeowners have. Their apartments are so small, they go out every night and basically just use their apartment to sleep and fuck in.
I can see them living over a Chinese take out place and dealing with that smell all day! Yet they'd NEVER admit it.
Awwww, poor babies!
- Cigarette addicts are no different from other kinds of drug addicts. They are sociopaths. They will do anything to get their fix. It doesn't matter how it affects their neighbors. They simply deny the fact their smoking affects others.
- [quote]There is no such thing as an allergy to smoke.
And denial is just a river in Egypt.
- I had a friend who lived in a fancy condo and appointed himself head of the neighborhood watch. He didn't have much fun in his life and channeled his frustrations into sitting on his window ledge and waiting for people to park on his block illegally (he'd phone the police), or an inch over a driveway (ditto). One time, he poured a bucket of water over a group of people who were conversing too loudly for him underneath his apartment (on the 2nd floor…in a busy neighborhood…in a major city!). But even HE let his one or two faux friends smoke outside on his balcony when they came over before he gave up completely and moved to a location that isn't even on GPS where he can be all alone with no one around for miles. He fenced his property and was happy. Until someone started a border dispute with him. It's always something, isn't it OP. You don't sound like someone I'd care to live next to. Also your neighborhood sounds really awful. Move!
- No one is jealous about your co op/self made prison where you hide in your bedroom quivering over the smell of.........POT!!!!!!!
- Look it up. No such thing as an allergy to smoke princess
- Smoke follows beauty
- Ironic isn't it OP? You likely called the cops, got the druggies off the property next door, and now SMOKERS have moved in. Heaven forfend!!! Seriously, have you ever been happy anywhere you've lived among other people?
- Please, r148 I've worked in hotels for a long time. Especially back when there was such a thing as smoking rooms.
At least once a day, after checking in a guest, someone would call down and complain that they could smell smoke in their room, even if nobody had ever smoked in it. They would always scream "I'm allergic to smoke!!!" and then complain until they got free breakfast.
I've heard the bullshit "allergic to smoke" line almost every day for 10 years, even at different hotels. I could always peg the complainers the minute they stepped up to the desk to check-in. I'm immune to it, and it's a joke. Yah, it bothers you, but who the FUCK is allergic to smells, for real? Get over yourselves, people. Stop trying to make an excuse that your HEALTH IS IN DANGER simply because you don't like a smell.
We live in the times of "Victim Culture." From fybromyalgia to republicans screaming "think of the children" when subjected to gay marriage, the only way to get ahead in life and gain attention is to claim that you're a victim of something.
And furthermore, smoking pot does not create as much smoke as smoking cigarettes. A cigarette will generate smoke for as long as it's lit. When you're smoking a bong or a bowl, it's not continuously producing smoke. And nobody chain-smokes joints like they chain-smoke cigarettes.
So, poor r144, stop trying to be a fascist version of Gladys Kravitz and let people smoke their goddamned weed. If you smoked weed, you wouldn't be such an uptight cunt.
It's funny---shit smells worse than cigarette smoke, yet I've never heard anyone have an allergic reaction to the smell after using a public restroom.
- This isn't going to end well...
- [quote] We tried moving to the side yard on the other side of the building, but the smoke followed us
You need to call the police. This particular smoke is stalking you. Videotape it following you for visual evidence. You are in danger. This smoke is not playing around. It wants you.
- r163. You are funny.
- The smoke is coming from inside the house!
- "And furthermore, smoking pot does not create as much smoke as smoking cigarettes. A cigarette will generate smoke for as long as it's lit. When you're smoking a bong or a bowl, it's not continuously producing smoke. And nobody chain-smokes joints like they chain-smoke cigarettes"
Pot SMELLS worse than cigarette smoke, I don't think anyone here argued that it produced MORE SMOKE. Your argument makes little sense.
You must have a weed problem, if you so vehemently defend a pot smoker's rights over a co-op owners rights.
The pot smell which settles on my floor, LINGERS FOR HOURS and REMAINS in EACH TENANTS APARTMENT.
"If you smoked weed, you wouldn't be such an uptight cunt."
WOULD YOU ALSO SUGGEST THAT THE ELDERLY NEIGHBORS ON MY FLOOR ALSO START SMOKING WEED? YOUR ARGUMENT IS A DAMN ABSURD ONE.
Let's try this one asshole, SINCE YOUR BRAIN SEEMS ADDLED FROM YEARS OF WEED....if someone on your floor cooked with curry (or some other spice which might bother you) and the smell permeated your apartment for hours on end, would that be OK, could YOU LIVE WITH AN ODOR YOU DIDN'T FIND PLEASANT?
Face it R161, you are an utter moron. YOU ARE THE FASCIST HERE, NOT ME.
- r166 is getting old and hard of hearing, which explains his all-caps SHOUTING.
- OP there isn't much you can do. You cannot prevent people from smoking on their own patio. Get some fans and blow it back their way.
- [quote]After eight years living next door to the place as a drug hole where teen prostitution went on, and then eight years of sitting next to it empty and derelict,
Jesus Christ I'd fucking move. Where exactly do you live?
- Here is what you do:
You screech into the holly, "Abner! Abner! Do you smell smoke? Abner, tell me no one is smoking! We have a gas leak! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! And why does that gal across the way never recycle? And why does Mr. Jones go through so much toilet tissue? Abner, I'm talking to you!"
- R171 I'm cracking up. Thanks, now I'm in the mood for Bewitched reruns featuring Gladys and Abner.
- Buy three pitbulls and catapult them over the hedge.
(But I'm surprised that someone who obviously lives in a slum is so picky.)
- This is why they hate us.
It had to be said.
- The way I contracted HIV was through Oral because I had gonorrhea in the throat at the time.
- R12 is WRONG. You can be allergic to second-hand smoke. It is full of toxins.
I feel your pain, OP. We have neighbors with an outdoor fire pit. The second the temperature drops below 80 degrees, they light it up. Every Sunday and Monday night. I'm not kidding, either, the weather is never cold enough for a fire when they start this. We live in the desert where our air quality is poor. They're not supposed to be burning wood but they do what they want.
The smoke from the fire fills the west side of our house. Inside. It's extremely arrogant and thoughtless of them to do be burning fires like that.
I wish I had some advice for you. All I know is most people have the attitude that they can do what they want "in their own house." And they do, no matter the impact it may have on the world around them. That is not the sign of a healthy society. People should be more considerate and look out to make sure they're not imposing on others. If everyone did this, none of us would be taken advantage of.
- Thanks for all your helpful advice (smirk). I'm the original OP and posted this thread knowing what it sounded like, but deciding to go ahead and have my hissy.
Well, in the meantime the neighbors have taken to practically living outside, having put in a patio that covers the whole yard with a fire pit so when it's cold they can sit out and - smoke. They're drunks and often are out there - loud - until 2. The got a dog and they let it bark when they're drunk, right outside our bedroom window.
As for "no allergies to smoke," that's ridiculous. Call it extreme sensitivity if you want, but respiratory problems are what they are. Of course drug addicts like smokers will dismiss any responsibility for what they cause, the same as alcoholics.
As for my neighbors, I've found my own way of dealing with them. I don't expect them to have a dog for long, and I'd be surprised if her employment holds out. I've found there are better ways than direct confrontation.
But, again, thanks for all the helpfulness. And the laughs. Back at you.
- A Serpent in the course of its wanderings came into an blacksmith's shop. As he glided over the floor he felt his skin pricked by a file lying there. In a rage he turned round upon it
and tried to dart his fangs into it; but he could do no harm to heavy iron and had soon to give over his wrath.
- Good for you, OP. I, for one, am supportive of your efforts to return to your peaceful existence. I believe people have a right to live the way they want. But they've crossed a line if their lifestyle -- smoking, drinking, partying, noisy animals, etc. -- interferes with another person's quality of life.
Keep us updated.
- I feel very sorry for OP. Cigarette smoke invading your living areas is horrible. It can spoil everything and make your home miserable. I doubt there is much that can be done about it. You have my sympathy.
- [quote]After eight years living next door to the place as a drug hole where teen prostitution went on
Fascinating you managed to live next to a place of sex slavery for eight years, but a Marlboro Light became the hill you chose to die on.
- I hereby pronounce this EST a perfect 10.
It's got everything, including an aside about the place having been a den of iniquity, and now this... cigarette smoke. Oh noes.
More than a hundred responses.
Well done, OP.
Take note, amateurs.
- [quote]I'm allergic to smoke, and so is my partner
Nobody is "allergic" to smoke.
Smoke is not an allergen.
Dial down the drama.
- Bring them a nice plate of arsenic brownies.
- [quote]"There is no physical human allergy to secondhand cigarette smoke,"
Says the cigarette addict who will say anything to rationalize the problems his addiction causes others.
- Love you R182.
- I can't believe there hasn't been more reaction to r123/126. Either a brilliant piece of performance art or one of the truly craziest people even DL has ever seen!
- "As for my neighbors, I've found my own way of dealing with them. I don't expect them to have a dog for long, and I'd be surprised if her employment holds out. I've found there are better ways than direct confrontation."
Quit being coy, OP. Clearly you want to brag to us about how you've handled this, so just tell us what you did. Poisoned their dog? Framed her for murder at work?
- Knowing that minors were being raped next door on a regular basis must have been very taxing for you.
- Not really, 190, because they didn't smoke.
- R132 - that was kind of a stupid way to ask to get stabbed or something. You never know what someone is really like.
And while we're at it, can we add perfume to the list, too? Just like cigarette smoke, there is no such thing as a fucking allergy to perfume.
- grow up, bitches. It's all in your head. You can't stand a little smoke but you'll stick your tongue up each other's ass.. go figure
- r188, now THAT was a seriously disturbed eldergay!
- Another vote for a box fan. And they're on clearance sale now so you should be able to get one for under $15. They're quiet and they do the job.
- Start a grease fire and hope they trip and die in it.
- I have asshole neighbors in the apartment downstairs smoking right now. They have been doing this for 6 weeks. We have complained, and contacted the landlord -- who is slow to do anything -- but they just move from room to room. There are two of them (male and female), they are chain smokers, they never open their windows (so the smoke filters up to us), and they barely leave the house. I work from home and I want to kill them. I think they overheard me refer to them as "the cunts downstairs," yesterday. They've started smoking on the fire escape during the day, but still smoke in their apartment at night. I can't believe people still do this shit in 2011. Trash.
I think were going to sue them...
I feel for you, OP, but at least your neighbors smoke outside.
- R184, smoke may not be an "allergen," but it is definitely an "irritant."
- I know what hell is going to be like for militant non- smokers.
- All you anti-smoking sissies and whiners should move to non-smoking buildings or communities. Lots of 'em in California and elsewhere, especially in suburban LA where the air is as clean as the first couple days of Genesis.
- What a couple of worthless pussies.
- I'm curious, how many of you militant smokers actually smoke outside?
- Shoot yourself in the head, OP.
- I'd rather live near smokers than a complete asshole who keeps his poor dog outside all day and all night and it barks 24/7. I've called animal control and they can't do anything about it. Seriously, give me a couple of smokers instead of that poor barking dog!
- R197, no judge would take such a case.
- Nobody is "allergic" to smoke. Ugh, I can't stand that fake argument. You don't like it, fine, so just leave it at that.
- Let me get this straight. For 8 years it was a drug and prostitution house. Then for 8 years it stood empty and fell derelict. Now party people have moved in. So my question is, why do you want to live in what sounds like a ghetto?
- I hate smoke; am not specifically allergic, but 3 or 4 doctors ahve told me, thank God I don't smoke (was born premature; lungs not 100%, have had pneumonia 3 times, blah, blah.)
So I am on your/your partner's side! But, two words occur to me:
Move. Elsewhere. It's very hard to convince people in a house (as opposed to condo, apt. building, etc.) that THEY can't smoke.
Or, failing that, two more words:
Kill. Neighbors. (kidding!)
- Hey, know-it-all asshole at r206, check this out.
Cigarette smoke can also exacerbate underlying allergies by weakening your immune system.
- Invite all the people that think you are exagerating to a gathering around a nice camp fire. Then arange for some kind of barrier to keep everyone around the fire and unable to back away too far, a small,fenced in yard will do. . Then throw some wet grass and car tire bits into the flame. I guarantee people will start to move. Then you can ask them,"what's the matter? the smoke too much for you???" I don't believe there is such a thing as an allergy to smoke, just like there is no allergy to getting a lungful when somebody lets out some flatulance,passes gas.
This shit stinks though, and I don't blame you for not wanting to smell ANY gass your neighbors pass.
- [quote] we're sick for a day after a slight exposure. It's physical, not psychological.
LOL. When I was growing up, people smoked everywhere. They didn't even have a smoking section on trains or in movie theaters. My dad would smoke while grocery shopping (he was a tightwad who didn't trust my mother with "his" money, so he did the food shopping).
I worked in hospitals starting in 1980 and we smoked everywhere except in the room of a patient on oxygen (maybe 2 people in 5 years were on oxygen in the part of the hospital where I worked). The night shift nurses used to fill up about 4 ashtrays each shift. The nurses all smoked and the patients did, too. Old homeless patients used to bum cigarettes from the nurses.
Can you imagine the OP and partner in that world?
- [quote] We have neighbors with an outdoor fire pit. The second the temperature drops below 80 degrees, they light it up
What is up with that? I live in the northeast and my neighbors do this whenever the temp is above 45 degrees. They were out there the night before Easter when the temp was 47 degrees.
Are these people frustrated arsonists? Why must they burn wood (twigs, branches, etc) every night? They start in April and go all the way through November. The smoke doesn't bother me all that much -- the crackling of the wood bothers me. It's just a visceral reaction to hearing a fire. Twigs and branches crackle far more than fireplace wood.
To top it off, they have almost an acre of land ... so where did they place the firepit/oven thing?
Right next the side of my house.
They stay out there until 2 and 3 am in summertime. The husband works at a hardware/lumber shop. He also goes around after storms making extra money cutting up and removing fallen trees, so I guess he will have an endless supply of firepit wood.
- I remember those days too, ExSmoker. I considered myself a considerate person as I always stubbed out my cigarette before entering an elevator as I had many suits burnt by smokers when the elevator got crowded and you backed into them and their cigarette.
I don't smoke anymore, but I think people are ridiculous about it.
I used to wear a cologne by YSL, everyone complimented me on it back in the early 80's. They seemed to discontinue it, but I found it in one of those specialty fragence shops that carries everything. My god, it was strong, virtually overpowering. Then I realized, cologne needed to be strong in those days to be noticable over all the cigarette smoke. That is why all those old lady perfumes gag us now.... back then we were being accosted by all kinds of strong odors everywhere. Current fragarences are much lighter and less obtrusive.
So add strong-enough-to-be-smelt over-an-elevator-full-of-smokers old style perfumes and colognes to the mix [R-212]. These delicate flowers could not survive our world back in the 70's and 80's.
- Oh -- and we'd been having Red Flag warnings from the Nat'l Weather Service for days when my neighbors were outside in 47 degree weather burning wood at midnight in their firepit.
Two days ago, we had a wildfire which caused my sister to have to evacuate her home. If my neighbors are ever out there again moronically burning scrap wood in honor of No Reason Whatsoever when there is a Red Flag, I'm calling the cops.
- This is MY opinion ok. If I am exposed to cig smoke, I feel like I can not breath good & the smell is very annoying & overwhelming. From MY OWN EXPERIENCE, if I am exposed I DO get sinus infections (bad ones to be exact!) I was just recently around it & 2day I feel bad. My sinuses under my eyes hurt, my head, & throat are also bothering me. When I go to friends houses, I dont want to look at them & tell them not to smoke around me b/c that is their house. I find it hard when someone lights up a cig to just go out of the room b/c I dont want them to think that I am being dis-respectful when I really am telling the truth about being allergic to cig smoke. My Fiance has a 9 year old brother & recently he had broncitis & he coughs a little & has to take breathing treatments now & then. His mom DOES smoke around him, & I feel so sorry for him. The other day he said that something was bothering him & I told him the cig smoke probably bothers his allergies like it does mine. Another thing that bothers me is when a PREGNANT woman smokes! I know that is their decision, BUT their poor baby/babies are inhaling that AWFUL stuff! My cousins wife had her little boy not too long ago & she smoked when she was preg. & he had to be put on oxygen pretty much right after he was born & had to be rushed to a different hospital! MY OPINION, if YOU SMOKE, have RESPECT & do NOT smoke arouund NON-smokers! Because, we have RESPECT by having to put up with it when yall light one up around us! Even if you dont care about YOUR health, OTHERS DO! Thanks..
- I care more about your illiteracy than your sensitivity to smoke, r216.
- Oh good lord. I haven't read all these post but yeah op you are being a first rate asshole bitch even suggesting that the neighbors change themselves to suit your needs.
I am really alergic to shellfish. I am 54 years old and never once demanded that people around stop eating shellfish.
You have issues.
- Some of you must live on top of each other. I've never smelled smoke from my neighbor's deck.
OP, are you male or female?
R110, what is third-hand smoke?
- My advice:
Move to the Moon. So far as I know, no one smokes there, wears cologne, or scented deodorant.
- I can relate to the OP.
I moved to a new nonsmoking building so I wouldn't have to deal with smokers.
About three months after I moved in, I started smelling pot and realized it was coming from my downstairs neighbor. After about a year of no assistance from managment, I moved to a different floor.
Well, there was no pot coming from downstairs, but I had a downstairs neighbor that used their balcony as a dog park and the smell of dog shi* coupled with numerous flies buzzing around all the time was pretty awful.
I also encountered a neighbor who loved lots of bass with their movies/music and another neighbor who loved curry dishes.
At the end of my year lease, managment wanted to jack up my rent another $300 ($3,000 for a 600-square-foot apartment). I had had enough. I moved into a $700-per-month in-law unit owned by a good friend. Have been happy ever since.
I"m the happiest girl in the whole USA
- Is R216 retarded?
- R217: I do know how to read and write, thank you very much. Maybe you should be more concerned about yourself for judging others. Thanks!
- [R223] I am telling the truth! If I am around it, it does bother me. I am respectful though if I am at someone else's house, I just try to move away from it. I believe that if people are allergic to dust, etc. then cig smoke can bother people that have sinus problems. My mom even had to have sinus surgery & my sisters bothers her also. I was just replying to this situation, & I am NOT trying to start an argument. My Nanny smoked for almost 50 years or so & she kept getting double pneumonia. She said that God helped her quit smoking. I just feel that if you don't smoke, people will feel like they can enjoy being around you more. Let's all get along & have respect for one anoter on here please. Do to others what you would have them do unto you! :) Everyone have a wonderful & Blessed week & weekend!
- "Do unto others"...? Oh, honey...we do...and we're sure to put them down permanently before they get a chance to "do unto us." Seriously, sweetie - you might be more comfortable at the OMM site. If I knew you, I'd take up smoking every time you were anywhere near.
- [R226] I am just saying it really does bother me. You wouldn't give a kid a peanut butter cookie if they were allergic would you? So why should someone smoke around someone if they tell them nicely that it does bother them? If my mom is around it she starts to wheez & her chest hurts. We should just have respect for eachother, whether non-smokers or smokers.
- cough. cough. cough.
- Please look it up. There is no such thing as an allergy to cigarettes. It does not exist. It may bother you but you are not allergic
- I am allergic too. I almost fainted when I read you post. That is disgraceful. I have had people tell me for years that it is all in my mind, that there is no such thing as a cigarette allergy. There most certainly is, and I am allergic. I feel so bad for you and your partner.
- Suzy please look it up and get back to us on how it s n allergy
- [quote] You wouldn't give a kid a peanut butter cookie if they were allergic would you?
I hate kids, so I probably would.
- I'm in a townhouse and my neighbor are out on the porch constantly and smoke often. Our family room is right in front of our house so the smoke comes in through the windows daily. It is so frustrating! They are nice neighbors and otherwise fine but I sympathize with you. We are only about 4 feet away from them so if we are eating or taking a nap on the sofa it is gross! Good luck. We haven't found a solution. I wish they would smoke on their back patio or inside.
- 4000 dangers chemicals in a cigarette, 2 kinds of radiation!
- Op i hope you hold your breath driving in traffic. Car exhausts are far more toxic.
- For christ's sake, buy a fan all you bitches.
- Cigarettes are the number one preventable cause of death in the world. Second hand smoke is just as bad and travels far. There is no minimum safe amount, it's that bad for you. It is physical, one tiny little sniff of it causes instant physiological damage in your body for up to two weeks and can trigger a hart attack, stroke or an asthma attack! It can cause cancer in your body like gall bladder cancer from second hand smoke!
Each time you breath in cigarette fumes you loose between 5 and 20 minutes off your life, about 8 years are more if you smoke when you are young!
You don't just die, you suffer and your love ones like your children suffer then they get cancer from breathing your second hand smoke!
F Off And Die Cigarette smokers, you have a lower IQ then non smokers do to start, and you loose about 8 points of you IQ from the cigarettes once you start smoking. look it up dumb asses!!!
- car exhaust is good for you compared to the 4000 chemicals in a cigarette. Car exhaust don't have 2 kinds of radiation in it for one thing!!!
- R237 link please.
Im not a smoker but the shit you said is nonsense
- R237 is one big grammatical mess.
- Cigarettes kill more people in one year then all the wars put together, since the beginning of man!!!
- Car exhaust is Very Bad for you Also!
- Poisoning yourself, your kids, your friends and neighbors is nonsense~!
- Everything I said it correct, look it up!!!
- 10,000 people a day die from smoking and second hand smoke.
- First Off. Shame to all of the ppl on here that posted all the insults! Get a life, just because it dies not bother you, does npot mean that it is a real problem for someone else.
Second hand smoke is a real problem. Me and my boyfriend are in a similar situation. WE are not overly sensitive, but it does bother us enough to inpact our time at the house.
Our neighbors smoke litterally all day in their yard. Unfortunetelly its located right under our bedroom window. Then all of them gather at night and smoke till 2am sometimes. We can"t have the window open because it begins to smell so bad in our bedroom, which is fairly small, so the smoke gets trapped. It bothers my lungs and I can"t sleep and get headaches. They are nice ppl. I am so tempted to tell them that their smoke is really bothering us. And maybe as them if they can smoke in the front yard and not the back. Or maybe at least not in the back yard at night so we can at least have the wind open then.
- You just don't get it do you? You simply cannot tell or ask or order people in their own property to do or not do something that annoys or offends you. Its their house, their property. If that annoys you then you will just have to sell up and move.
Well if they were making lots of noise late at night you could ask them to stop or call the noise enforcement people out - but not if they smoke.
- What delicate little flowers. I suspect this is psychological, of course, as this is as far-fetched as it gets. Could it be your uber-hated of all things cigarettes has given you the vapors and thus your extreme physical reactions of being unable to hide from smoke chasing your around your plot?
I really hope you do approach them with this topic, and I do hope you tell your inner circle so they can chant for you at Michfest.
- You must have an Extremely Smokey Terrace, op.
Or an Exceptionally Sensitive Trachea.
Poor you, OP, poor you.
- Team up with Mayor Bloomberg for a race to the
White House with the millions spent by anti-smoking pacs. Bully congress into passing a bill that outlaws cigarettes. Then you two can dismantle the EPA to allow corporate polluters to slowly kill us all. Sounds fair.
- R248 posts hate speech on other threads and presumes to speak like the Voice of Reason here.
Oh, wait. If you look closely you can see just how hateful this nasty little bug is, flitting from thread to thread with its stinger out. Ass first.
- Wahh, little baby.
If you don't like it, jump on the Twilight thread.
- I have had the same sentiments. I can suggest that you think hard about starting the legal process to get in on your counties ballot. Smokers' are not popular with nonsmokers, and non smokers might agree with you. I am interested in hearing if you take this a step further. Keep up the posts.
Tenant Landlord Law County and State Ordinance
- Except r253, OP is in a private house. He owns the house, the land and the air around him. So do his neighbors. There is nothing they can do except close the windows.
- So a few weeks ago a couple of fags moved in next door. They've been touching themselves outside on their porch. As a faggot hating person, I demanded these assholes be jailed forever. Just so I can smoke in peace.
OP: You're going to hell, you nasty homosexual. Allah will make sure of that.
- This thread is so old that the smoking neighbors have aready moved and the OP has died of cancer.
- ya ok
- My advice: get over it. There's lots of things you don't have any control over. If you can't help yourself, explain to the neighbors. Nothing will change. Then get over it.
- There's plenty of evidence that 2nd hand and 3rd hand smoke (the chemical residues that linger long after a cigarette has been put out) can be almost as harmful as smoking in the long run. Non-smokers who live with smokers have a 20-30% greater lung cancer risk over a period of two decades or more.
- [quote]There's plenty of evidence that 2nd hand and 3rd hand smoke (the chemical residues that linger long after a cigarette has been put out) can be almost as harmful as smoking in the long run.
I cracked up when "thirdhand smoke" was trotted out a few years ago. Apparently it's molecules that live forever and will KILL YOU.
Can't wait for "fourthhand smoke" -- what will it be?
- This guy is a fucking pussy. If someone had told me to put out my cigarette when I smoked and I was outside then I would have lazer beamed it right into their face. Then continued to give them the beating of a lifetime.
- Im a Alergy sufferer of Cigerettes and Illeageal drugs and My doctors have stated that. My manager has seen it and said no smoking near you, we cleaned alot of smokers out of hear had people leaving burning cigerettes on ground has burn't bushes and my front yard. so its mnot alaughing matter, I get where I have to go on medication for allergies, which makes me sluggish. I as a non=smoker do not have to suffer second hand smoke people want to smoke respect those who do not appreciate it. I just lost my dad to Lung cancer second hand smoke. he was a non-smoker. so please respect the people in your own homes I see pregnant women blowing smoke in yhere chikdrens face discusting,Im willing to work with neighbors as a mater of fact We have neigbor hood watch. and we are tired of the smoke,
- spell check
- Granted these two may be a little up tight but, to go as far as to say there is no such thing as an allergic reaction to cigarettes is crazy. I as well as my two year old daughter (who also has asthma) have a cigarette allergy. You can throw cigars, in there as well. However, Claritin D does wonders for me and allergic reactions are very slight when I take it regularly. Exposure causes severe headaches, allergic rhinitis & bronchitis. Sometimes it's so bad I, as well as my daughter have had to be on a nebulizer regime (depending on exposure). It sucks, to have to deal with because a lot of people smoke at bus stops, outside of work places, my neighbors even smoke. What are you going to do though? You just have to deal with it. Talking your neighbors would be the best option in my opinion, or perhaps investing in an allergy medication. :/
- My neighbors have unprotected sex.my BF and I both feel like they are bringing disease upon our nieghborhood. Is there anything we can do to stop them?
- Cigarette smoke is gross!!! Second hand smoke is a killer! Rights for smokers??? What about fresh air rights in your apartment? I dont smoke, but all my stuff is stinking like i smoke, because of a new downstairs neighbour that smokes evey 10 minutes inside and out...I cant have my windows open...but if i leave them closed its bad also!!!My eyes burn, my nose is burning..its horrible! I try to get his pattern down so i can open the windows, but its pretty impossible...
- If you cannot smoke in your own house because it annoys the neighbours, then where can you smoke ?
- It's so absurd people in 2012 still smoke. Idiots. My next door neighbor smokes too and I hate when it's nice enough to have the windows open...if the person is outstide though there's nothing you can say...I wish he'd do it in his own home though but his wife won't allow it...gee wonder why.
- WTF??? How did the body of the OP's post get replaced by a totally unrelated response to what is probably another thread?
Has the webbie been replaced by gremlins?
Cue the "Twilight Zone" signation...
- R269 I got the same thing. Weird.
- Oddness abounds on DL today.
- Thank GOD. I thought I was having a nervous breakdown or some shit. I've been noticing these completely random posts appearing in--and then completely not commented upon--in numeerous threads for days. I'd be reading a thread about Obama and all of a sudden there'd be a post in the thread about some ugly cat and then the other posts would just continue with Obama and I'd be thinking, "Am I the only one seeing the post about the ugly cat?"
Whew! I guess I took all that lithium for nothing!
- As the OP for this thread, I'm happy to say that the Terrible Neighbors have moved, taking their noise, smoke, barking dog (sometimes barking all night because they were passed out drunk) and meanness with them.
And they took a $125k loss on the place.
I'm satisfied, so the replacement of the thread opener is fine with me!
- you guys really, 273 posts to the reply of garbage. if i was forum mod. this thread would be locked for non sense hahahah.
- Try not being a little fag and get over it! If I want to smoke on my property, well, sucks for you.
- You should buy the place. Then you can pick your neighbors!
- the smokers stink and are poisoning people and are defensive because they know they stink.
Too bad smokers did not live next to the "fragrance seekers" who use horrible toxic laundry products that belch out of the vents morning noon and night.
These two sets of rude types deserve each other and we oxygen breathing people should not even have to deal with either of the two issues.
- After reading all the responses I have once again concluded that this world is full if insensitive, marginally educated morons. I understand and respect the fact that your health is in jeopardy. Unfortunately generations of humans have been born and have not been provided with the necessary education to empathize with your condition. If only smoking were looked at the way Mary Jane has been looked at. I believe that it would be just as illegal today. If this occurred, these lost souls that responded to your dilemma would be the first to have their doors kicked down by the authorities for lighting up an object that infiltrates our breathing space with thousands of toxic, carcinogenic chemicals. And for those of you who always look for other examples of pollution, your excuses are noted but car exhaust has much less toxins than cigarettes. But I do agree, we should also be looking to find transportation that does not pollute and threaten our health. Smokers, stop with the excuses. I know many who have quit that put up similar fights during their addiction. Now they are promoting cessation of this horrible habit. Funny. I wish you all the best, smoker and non-smoker. Just remember to respect each other. Specifically, its the smokers responsibility to do whatever they have to to avoid dispensing the toxic plumes they expel in the direction of non-smokers. Smokers, respect people when they ask you to move downwind of any people they are near.
- I hav a neighbor thats smoking in and or outside and the smoke is killing me..I look out into the hallway and I dont see anyone so I think they are smoking inside...i wish all the smokers lived in a different building ..let them kill themselves and each other instead of nonsmokers like myself ...I wish smoking cigarettes was illegal..or the smokers would get cancer and die sooner..like after they smoke their fifth cigarette..i sound mean.but im not I just wish i didnt have to be sick right now smelling smoke.chest hurting and im nauseated..i read a few idiotic replies from the ignorant dying smokers and their advocates..my apartment is my aoartment and theirs is theirs..we should be able to do whatever we want but when it affect and effect others thats crossing the line..my stomach is hurting too..if minding ones business adversely affects and effects others its wrong..smokers are disgusting individuals that should been put in a mental institution for being suicidal and convicted for attempted murder because their disgusting habits affect and effect innocent people that desire to live and not die before time..nasty smokers kill yourselves sooner so I can breathe cleaner air.if u drive a car with a bad muffler u get stopped and ticketed by the cops..there are employers ie police departments that dont hire nasty smokers and they do a nicotine test just like they check u for illegal drugs..i smell so much smoke i would probably test positive for nicotine in my system..y should i move im not hurting/killing anybody.the nasty smokers are.suicidal morons.u smokers should just blow ur brains out its cheaper and faster..
- Your not the host of north America the indigenous people's are so shut the fuck up unless i'm wrong I'm sorry. Confrontational cunts and professional troublemakers like yourselves are the reason why I am now blacklisted.Good-Night and Fuck-you Rank and file skanky whiner
- Buy 3 or 4 "Vornado" fans place them facing up and in between you and the smokers patio. Turn them on every time they come out to smoke.
- I smoke but at least I can spell.
- [quote] There is no physical human allergy to secondhand cigarette smoke
You are completely wrong.
- Link please, R283. You CANNOT BE ALLERGIC TO SMOKE.
- Smokers are miserable people. There is no point asking anything of them.
- unbelievable that some people have enough time for stupid replies. If you cant contribute something positive keep trolling the internet for something else.
- Sorry but they are in their house. As long as they are not being obnoxious with noises and parties and fights etc, you have no right !!!!!!
- To the obnoxious dolts who attacked the OP & partner, you are wrong, wrong, wrong.
As I suspected, the "smoky neighbors" were rude, uncivilized trash who ultimately had to move. Appears that they could not pay their mortgage, but had money to buy liquor & cigarettes -- typical American behavior.
I still want to address the big issue & a few others regarding the DL, the "gay community" & our society that concern me.
In college & during my career, a landmark 1962 U.S. Supreme Court decision involving the environment & property rights was often cited. In summary, the ruling was:
Property owners not only own the terra firma upon which they're situated, they also "own" their property's airspace including that overheard to a specific altitude.
In the OP's case, the neighbors had the right to smoke on their property, but not to
infringe upon the airspace belonging to the OP & partner.
Americans generally have an improper attitude about holding a deed. Small-minded, militant home owners who believe that they have the right to do just about anything they choose on their property are mistaken.
Annually, Americans instill over one billion tons of agricultural chemicals in their lawns & gardens. The adverse consequences are not restricted to their individual properties. Although it's legal, it's not OK to pollute everyone's water supply.
Smoke (especially tobacco) also makes me terribly ill, so I sympathize with the OP's former situation. My internist & allergist (both an MD) can attest to allergic & other adverse reactions caused by smoke exposure.
If smoke from burning modern materials did not contain toxic irritants & allergens, incinerators might still be legal & common. The modern human immune system is poorly understood & under constant assault. Obviously, most of you did not grow up next to a farm like I did and are unaware of what a toxic weed tobacco is, intact or burned.
How dare uneducated idiots mock experienced medical doctors with your vitriolic insults coupled with internet links to silliness, as if everything on the wasteland known as the internet is trustworthy. Any moron or idiot-backed organization can post their "research" on the internet & make it appear legitimate. The concept reminds me of other "faux education" such as home-
schooling & college degrees via computer.
R265, barebackers are the reason that HIV/AIDS is a pandemic instead of the isolated disease in Africa it originated as & should be; I want nothing to do with those ignoramuses. Making a joke about them demonstrates your ignorance. I wouldn't be surprised if you believe in "sexual freedom" that includes unprotected sex, spreading disease, and accusing me of being uptight & homophobic. Responsible gays like me can never have sex without fear because of selfish, promiscuous 1970s queers who refused to use condoms & common sense.
R278, bravo, you are a genius & I admire your mind. People like you are one reason why I continue to participate in the DL!
OP, I respectfully suggest that you never consult the Data Lounge for advice, especially about issues regarding etiquette, social interaction, or personal matters.
The nature of replies in this thread clearly demonstrates that just as with many gay men I've met, the majority of DL participants is one or more of: immature; vindictive; superficial; uneducated; socially inept; narrow-minded; insensitive; self-centered; hedonistic; emotionally unbalanced.
A guy recently posted on here that he's mystified why he's single and listed the following attributes: young; big dick; and works out regularly. I'm sort of mystified why his type doesn't understand that if those are his best offerings, he's not relationship material to genuine men.
- Were they smoking tear gas? Listen. My downstairs neighbors are Korean, and sometimes I throw up a little when I walk through the hall to get outside. Other times I want to invite myself in for dinner it smells so fucking good. Another neighbor likes to burn incense I liken to the smell of fresh burning meth. These are the prices we pay for not living on farm in Kentucky. We cohabitate. I'm assuming you didn't have the money to buy your own property, and I feel for that...the world has become smaller as we have become larger. I assure you...the amount of "smoke" you inhale while waiting at a stop light will harm you more than this. I sound like a dick...clearly, but I feel your pain, and I want you to understand that not enjoying (rather feeling defiled by) a particular scent or smell doesn't actually make you allergic to it. I promise it will be OK. PS Did you and your partner meet at an allergy clinic?
- R289 - Right on!!!!!!
- To everyone saying you can't be allergic to smoke, it's not the "smoke" that is causing the reaction - it's one or more of the 75+ chemicals in nicotine cigarettes. I get migraines from second hand nicotine smoke. I have not narrowed down exactly which chemical it is but I am not affected by clove cigarettes or second-hand pot smoke. I also have allergic reactions to incense, again from the chemical additives. I wish I was not like this, believe me, it's very annoying.
Having said that, I'm afraid you're fucked, OP...there's no easy way to do this and they do have every right to smoke in their yard. I think the poster who suggested the huge fan is right. What a bummer - my sympathies, I know what a pain in the ass it is to have that sensitivity...mine is so bad if I sit in a closed space with a smoker (like a casino or a public place where they still allow it) I get a headache and a migraine within a few hours.
- Good god, these long-winded, stuck-up, self-righteous anti-smoking-nazi posts are just as illiterate as they are clinically, psychotically obsessive about the subject.
Seriously people (and you arrogant nutcases know who you are), if the very idea of someone smoking a cigarette sends you into this much rage and hysterical ranting you really need inpatient psychiatric help. You're a far greater danger to other people than a smoker is.
- R288, don't kid yourself. Nobody read all that.
- Fuck off OP. It's their right to smoke on their property. Allergic to smoke..my ass. You and your partner are whiney Bitches.
- R281...Bingo! Only point them directly at the neighbors house.
- " . . . coupled with internet links to silliness" has me in stitches, R288! Where do you think we ARE?
- I know this sounds unusual but I, too, couldn't stand the smell of smoke and for years it irked the hell out of me when I was near a smoker. When I had a neighbor move in, all smokers, it bugged the hell out me too since I enjoy being outside in my yard.
Eventually we all befriended, after they installed a pool and repeatedly invited me to join them and sometimes their friends and family. After some weeks of "pooling" together, and note that they were always respectful in that, when they'd smoke, they'd usually blow their smoke away from me, etc., the "smoking conversation" started up.
Well, it turned out the the neighbor's husband wasn't a smoker when they first married and he, too, couldn't stand the constant smell of smoke. His wife convinced him that, if he'd give smoking a try, he'd actually like the smell, as she did. He actually tried it, liked it after awhile and became a smoker which, according to him, actually improved their relationship. So, of course she suggested that I follow suit!
Ever since that conversation she'd enjoy toying with me in that regard: trying to put her cigarette in my mouth, not smoking away from me, wearing provocative clothing, getting her husband to convince me, and more (some of which I think may be too risque to write here).
Well, long-story-short, she got me and, needless to say, she was right.
Now, I'm not replying here as advice but I thought my experience would be, at least, somewhat interesting. I'm still amazed about it all.
- Someone needs to do a study on the correlation between militant anti-smokers and their failure to grasp even a basic middle school level of English.
- Why aren't anti-smoking neurotics also allergic to car exhaust fumes?
- Why is everyone responding to a post that started 3 years ago?
- because they are cunts, R300.
- Wow, most smokers responding here are pretty irate. It's difficult to accept that your second hand smoke truly sucks and really bums non-smokers out. Responses like go F yourself and suck it up, are nothing but lame. Most of the time, a non-smoker isn't looking to vilify their smoking neighbor, we are hoping that neighbors would be willing to come up with creative solutions and/or compromises together, especially when kids are involved, (for the benefit of building community).
It would be a breath of fresh air to hear from smokers and non-smokers who came up with some real solutions, and built understanding and community in the process.
- A non-smoker who isn't looking to vilify their smoking neighbor would put a small fan in front of their window (if truly necessary) instead of vilifying said neighbor and indulging in pitiful whining about their hot-house flower preciousness.
- THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ALLERGY TO SMOKE.
Mind your own fucking business !!!!!?
- What a bunch of smoking douche bags you all are. What the fuck?? You think I want my kids sniffing your fucking second hand smoke because you have RIGHTS to smoke???? what about the rest of us who hate smoke, don't want it in our lungs or around our kids or pets????? We don't have fucking rights to protect ourselves from your SHIT????? Your all probably a bunch of crack smoking, uneducated drunks as well.
Why don't you all fuck off and die of lung cancer. That is what I hope for you. I'm sick of the smokers whining about THEIR rights. Fuck your rights and shove them where the sun don't shine. You're addicts and not just to your cancer sticks. And for the complete moron who says the allergies or asthma to smoke is "psychological"....do some fucking research buddy! You are even more stupid than the rest of the DUMBASSES on this thread.
This is the reason our society is on a downward spiral....YOU idiots.
- smokers are the LEAST of your problems, babe
- Here's an article for ALL of y'all.
- smokers are inconsiderate pigs.. They throw their butts everywhere except in their own ashtrays and trash. They start many brush fires here in california, and yes, there is allergy to secondhand smoke stupid. People get cancer and die from second hand smoke you moron.
sick of inconsiderate people
- Set their place on fire. Use cigarettes to make it look like they were careless when they were smoking.
- Original OP here. Surprised to see this bumped.
BUT an update is that the assholes sold the place and moved out, and now I have quiet MDs next door who are creepy health nuts. But at least they don't smoke.
I have tracked the assholes to their new place, though, and have sent them 100 subscriptions to various magazines, COD, and found where their parents live elsewhere in the country and have started calling them pretending to be bill collectors for their "deadbeat child and his/her loser spouse." That has worked very well. I also have called the parents late at night saying I was calling from the ER where their child now lives, saying they were in a terrible car crash and to hurry to see them before they die.
Sometimes it's best to get to people through their innocent family members. I figure I'll torment them for another couple years before my breath is satisfied. They were horrible people.
SUCH a relief!
- OP please stop the revenge stuff. You're better than that. They moved, they were scumbag smokers, I get it. But you need to move on. Mkay?
- Put a fan on your back porch.
If you are allergic to smoke does it bother you when all winter long, people use their fire places? I can't enjoy going out in the winter because of all the fire places. WHAT A PAIN IN THE ASS!
Don't you ever have a wind that blows the smoke in another direction? I had a friend and neighbor who constantly complained he could smell cigarette smoke from three apartments down...I never once smelled the smoke.
- I love OP's revenge tactics. All smokers should be tortured in such a manner.
- [quote] It's physical, not psychological
No it isn't. Years ago, people smoked everywhere. I remember my dad smoking in the supermarket and they told him to flick his ashes on the floor, not near the produce bins. Elevators, buses, trains, hospitals. When a patient asked for a non-smoking room, we checked all over the hospital to find a room where someone was on oxygen. That's how rare it was.
Nobody once got admitted to our hospital, nor needed medication for a "physical allergy" to cigarette smoke. Shellfish, peanuts, tree nuts, strawberries, eggs, bee stings -- yes. We had patients who had to be tended to because of those allergies. they needed medication and medical treatment. But in 30 years in health care, not one ER visit or admission for cigarette smoke allergy.
There are some asthmatics whose asthma is aggravated by cigarette smoke. But we only saw them when they spent time in the same room with someone who smoked. Never, ever did we come across an asthmatic whose asthma was aggravated by a person smoking outdoors in a yard. Not even in their own yard.
- I live in a condo and my downstairs neighbor's smoke comes through all of my vents and permeates my home. It comes through a shared HVAC stack. I do not smoke and have a heart condition that is getting worse because this. She sits outside on the patio below my deck for hours each night smoking and talking on the phone and even though I love to have my windows open for fresh air, that is a thing of the past. I never open them anymore. Now that it is cold she is inside and there is nowhere for me to get relief. I have lived here 19 years and hoped to stay until I reitre in a few years but I feel I am being forced out because of someone else's addiction. I already explained what is happening and asked if she could please keep going outside and she said she would do whatever she wanted to. That is a smoker at it's finest.
- And by the way--Because I think I may have to move because of the smoker downstairs, I took a poll at work. I asked 25 people--If you found a condo that you liked but also found out that the neighbor downstairs was a smoker and that their smoke came into your unit through the HVAC venting system, would you buy it any way? Only 2 of them (who are smokers) said that they would. So not only is my health deteriorating but my property is worthless...
- You folks have it easy! Try having a large Indian family (3 generations, incl. aunts/uncles) move into the condo under yours. Screaming rugrats for miles. Also have the shared HVAC stack problem, except besides smoke I also get that fucking curry stench. I will never sell this unit.
- OP is trolling.
I would tell you to KISS MY ASS!!
Maybe they're not so fond of the smell of your pet's dogshit wafting into their yard.
- KathyB, you don't tell anyone. If anyone asks about the smoke smell in your unit then you say it's from you. They will charge you a painting fee and carpet cleaning at closing or whatever, but it beats having your property sit on the market forever.
Don't tell them about murders or hauntings either, unless legally obligated by your state. Sucks, but you got to look out for yourself.
- Just be glad you have a partner and stop stressing over people smoking OUTSIDE.
- Neighbors suck. A friend had a family move in two houses down. He says that every damn night they have their friends and extended family over until late late into the night and that you can hear their cackling throughout the block. He lives in a wooded area, on a cul de sac. The neighbors, mostly older people done with raising families, got together and tried to talk to the new family about it but were told to fuck off. They've called the cops but the cops won't come every night and say that it's not a party, it doesn't meet the criteria to write them up.
- I have stench blowing into my apartment courtesy of my new downstairs neighbor. Maybe it's cleaning products, maybe it's Glade. It hardly matters. It's this repulsive floral smell that gives me a headache. I hung a sheet over the doorway to the kitchen, which does a somewhat decent job. I bought her some unscented cleaning products, but it doesn't seem as if she's interested in using them.
Sucks, doesn't it?
Oh, and R315, I'd say it's physical. I smoked years ago, like everyone else, and quit in 1987. Several years later, I started getting headaches from all sorts of things, including cigarettes. They're quite real, I assure you. Nothing "psychological" at all.
- Original OP here. A few things. And, no, I'm not trolling.
Poor KathyB. It's terrible to go through that kind of misery because of an addict.
Last, I expanded my follow-up with calling the woman former-neighbor (the real power in this rotten-lunged duo) at work and letting her know that her husband has been having an affair with my "wife" while on his work travels in Kentucky - his travel schedule is posted on the web so it was great to supply dates when he was actually traveling for work.
R315 offers the best example of the mind-set that insists it has a right to sicken and inconvenience others in the name of a dirty and damaging addiction. I hope the poster is an actual smoker, and that those chest x-rays soon evidence a welcome dose of payback.
- Ewwww! OP is no longer funny!
- OP, buy a big outdoor fan and turn it on whenever you go outside so it will blow the smoke away from you and back toward the neighbor's house. You can't control what others do so you'll have to figure something out.
- Anon you are a real ass. I have a serious problem with fragrance coming from a dryer vent near my screen porch
- OP WTF - you're a control freak.
There's an easy solution, move. You can't start telling your neighbors how to live. They'll shoot you.
- LMAO R320
- Put music on every time they go out for A CIGGIE!
- This thread smells like dead fish.
Why are so many straight cunts finding DL? No one wants to read their illiterate whining, no one values their 'have a blessed day' garbage, and they're mostly (at least based on their lack of education and idiocy) Republicans.
Everyone here hates everything about those people, so why are people replying to them?
- R332, how do you know any of your assertions to be true?
- Smoke doesn't contain any proteins therefore it is *impossible* to be allergic to it. It is not an allergen and that is just fact, like it or not.
It's not healthy and it's not pleasant but you cannot be allergic to it. If you experience symptoms then there is an underlying cause and you need to speak to a physician about that instead of assuming smoke=symptoms therefore smoke=allergy.
- R334, does anyone really CARE whether it's an allergy or, in my case, a burning sensation in my throat and a headache? I mean, really. What you CALL it is what matters?
- They should care R335. If they are claiming an allergy to something that they cannot possibly be allergic to:
1; anyone they are complaining to will say they are an attention-whoring fuckwit who cannot be taken seriously.
2; they may have a medical condition that requires treatment instead of just whining at the neighbors.
Seriously, if you have symptoms when smelling smoke, WHICH YOU CANNOT BE ALLERGIC TO then you have other medical issues which need addressed.
- I too was allergic to smoke but I found that when I too decided to smoke, second hand smoke did not bother me anymore. The only problem is I now have to go outside to smoke, and living in the northeast, it gets cold outside. I don't want to stink up my house either. So, I would suggest moving to the country where there is more space between the houses. Preferably in an area that does not have prostitution nearby because prostitutes tend to smoke because of the high pressure associated with their chosen profession.
- Smoking is perfectly legal. It's none of the OP's business what the neighbors do and she can't do a thing about it anyway.
Move. It doesn't matter if the OP doesn't want to or thinks it's unfair. No one is obliged to accommodate the OP. She can either move or have no one to blame but herself for her unhappiness.
- Sorry, there's nothing you can do about it they are smoking on their own property.
However, you can mention ecigs to them. I quit smoking from using ecigs and now smelling smoke makes me sick.
- If only it were true, what you say, R338, about other people's smoke not being any of the OP's business. The POS smoker is obviously ruining her life, and should be forced to wear a helmet smoke can't get out of when the POS lights up and sucks another butt.
- [bold]No Clear Link Between Passive Smoking and Lung Cancer
- "What a bunch of smoking douche bags you all are. What the fuck?? You think I want my kids sniffing your fucking second hand smoke because you have RIGHTS to smoke????"
Fuck you and fuck your fucking kids, okay, R306?
Oh, and your pets too.
- [/bold]Here's what's needed. Every smoker should have one.
- Everybody used to smoke. I and my sisters grew up in the 60s in a cloud of our parents' smoke. We're still healthy.. well my older sister's a whack job but I don't think that's due to smoking.
In my family, half the people smoked. The other half lived breathing in other people's smoke. The ones who smoked died in their 60s-70s. The ones who just smoked secondhand lived into their 90s.
I don't believe in the least that secondhand smoke has ever killed anybody - or made them sick.
- Well, there's a scientific sample if I ever saw one, R344.
- Pay not attention to actual scientific research, r345.
- Sell up and move to a nice, sanitary apartment with air con and locked windows.
Sure, this is a 3 1/2 year old thread, but maybe now's a good time for some info.
As convincing as the "I'm pretending to be a doctor and you're a fuckwit" responses are, they're not telling the whole story.
Smoke is not an allergen, but it is an irritant, which means it can trigger nonallergic rhinitis, specifically vasomotor rhinitis. Exposure to smoke means someone can have the same symptoms as allergies or hay fever but there is no allergen or allergic reaction involved. You'll sneeze, feel miserable, and Benadryl might help you, but no epi pen will be involved.
Smoke can make your current allergies worse. University of Maryland lists exposure to secondhand smoke as a risk factor for those with allergies; that is, if you are already allergic to something and are then exposed to secondhand smoke, it will make your allergies worse. Also, people who smoke are more at risk for rhinitis and allergies (R Polosa, 2008) in general. Per the NIH, exposure to secondhand smoke increases the risk of sinusitis and bronchitis.
What's frustrating here is that no one should have to start digging through medical journals for a thread like this. People say "allergic to smoke" as a colloquialism, not as a literal diagnosis, because of the documented similarities between nonallergic and allergic rhinitis. Instead of "you're a fuckwit" maybe a simple "it causes NON allergic rhinitis, not allergic rhinitis" is all you need to say.
- you guys that smoke are just scared because you know you are going to die from it so you become hostile towards people that refrained from it.
- I'm allergic to it as well. I live in an apartment and this woman smokes like a chimney--I can breathe now she put it out :P She is an addict. She just had a cancer scare--the second that I KNOW of--I really don't think anyone is going to tempt that.
As you can see-people are going to be very defensive about their addiction. The nicotine plus all the poisons added to a cigarette-carbon monoxide, cyanide, formaldehyde (my spelling isn't that great), but these addict the users so that the cigarette company has their wallets, and they are going to be really defensive because its hard to quit. I heard it was harder than heroin. So, we should be a little understanding--I cant seriously imagine anyone with two cancer scares lighting up the substance willingly knowing that she will get cancer someday from this.
It's not psychological at all-I have physical symptoms, so do three of my friends that live here in this smoking apartment.
All you can do is ask them kindly--if not the fan may be a good solution. :)
- What a coincidence, my next door neighbors are amokin!
- Once more for the stupid people
NOBODY IS "ALLERGIC" TO SMOKE!
As irritating as you may find it, smoke does not trigger "allergies" in anyone.
- R352, we always are curious about the cranks, such as you, who denigrate the fundamental loathesomeness of smokers and smoking and the harm it does to others ("as irritating as you may find it," indeed) with a posture about the intricacies of terminology.
Yes, yes. And snakes are venomous, not poisonous. But when one is grabbing at your ankle, such intensity as yours make you just look like an asshole trying to find an excuse to avoid the - shall I repeat it? - fundamental loathesomeness of smokers and smoking.
Sensible people are allergic to the likes of you.
- What I find fascinating is the stalker/torturer OP following the neighbors after they moved, calling their families, pretending to be bill collectors, harassing them on the job, etc. She posts this as if it were normal and acceptable behavior.
From the information in her posts, the neighbors never actually did anything to her and she never even told them that the smoke was a problem.
After they moved, she began tormenting them? OP is a psycho fucking bitch or an Electro Shock Therapy victim run amok.
- OP you must be a real Pussy.