Breast Removal, A question for the lesbians (or gay men in the know)
A friend is having her breasts removed next week. Does anyone know what the process entails? Do they liposuction the fat at the breast and cut away any excess skin?\
She''s a beautiful woman, looks andro in that lesbian hot way, and has a good large B/small c cup right now. Her breasts look amazing as they are, but for personal reasons she wants them removed --- I do not know if she plans to pull a "Chaz" in the future. \
Even though I love her breasts (I''ve only seen them through shirts and have not been fortunate enough for personal inspection), in a friendly way, I say good for her if this is what she wants to do.\
Does anyone know anyone who has been through this procedure?\
I have experience in implants, but not breast removal. I hope it''s not a painful procedure.\
I am a registered nurse, and have assisted in surgeries in which the patient had the breast removed for medical reasons (cancer). In this case, the breast tissue is literally just cut away. Has your friend told you why she wants her breasts removed? Post op is painful, and there will be scarring. I cannot imagine this willingly.
This is insane. What if she wants to cut off her arm because she wants to? \
Patently ridiculous. This FTM trend in the lesbian world is truly scary.
[quote]I do not know if she plans to pull a "Chaz" in the future.\
Oh, you mean a fart that smells like a dead manatee?
Yes, she has said she wants them completely removed. It''s being done for cosmetic reasons, not health reasons. I''m happy for her if this is what she wants, and it''s going to make her happy. \
But, selfishly sad to know those nice breasts will be no more.
I gotta imagine she''s Chazzing it up to some degree, this kind of elective surgery isn''t really something entered into lightly. Good luck to your friend!
ok, I will be more honest (I held back in my r4) I am really upset about this, but I really shouldn''t be. It is not my body. It is just that she is such a beautiful woman just as she is. \
She''s just a friend, so I would never let her know that it''s upsetting to me. I want to support her with her decision.
I think a lot of us felt similarly when Alexis Arquette got rid of his fat, massive cock.
We Sympathize With Your Pain, OP
Do surgeons ever order psychological evaluations for patients who want this procedure done? How is it ethical to remove healthy tissue from someone''s body like this?
Get your friend to a psychiatrist.
People are going to be accused of transphobia in 5, 4, 3, 2, ....\
I''m with you OP, and agree with the registered nurse.\
Removing healthy functional organs and replacing them with something that might not work seems unethical to me.\
This idea that you''re in the "wrong" body seems to be to be socialized. There''s not a medical fix. We''re supposed to be PC and support people in their desire to be ''transition''. But how many transsexuals are truly happy after surgery?
Does her family have a history of breast cancer? Maybe she doing it pro-actively because of a genetic test. I''ve heard of that happening.
But R10, I also feel hypocritical. \
Here I am upset about a friend having her breasts removed, while I have experience with having implants. I had them done several years ago when I has a lump removed in my breast which caused one to be over a cup size smaller then the other.\
So as society, it''s "ok" for implants for cosmetic reasons but not ok for breast removal?\
It''s horrible that I think this way - it''s her body and this is what is going to make her happy. So maybe I am alittle transphobic? I would hate to think so - she would still be my friend if she pulled a Chaz - but maybe I have double standards.
R12, she''s only 22. It''s a little early in the game of life, to be that proactive.
You know, I understand when large-breasted women have breast reduction surgery. My sister''s breasts are a GG, and those things are painful to lug around. Hell, mine are a D and THEY are painful to lug around.\
But breast reduction surgery is major surgery. I mean, they leave the nipple and everything, but there is all kinds of scarring (look at the FTMs!), and if you''re going from a C down to nothing and do NOT plan to do the FTM, it seems kinda tragic.\
At least if you go the FTM route, your new chest hair covers the scars.
I think if you''re calling it "pulling a Chaz" then you''re more than a little transphobic.
I''m asking myself the same questions R8 is asking.
maybe you''re right, R15, and that is something i need to fix about myself.
OP, i don''t think you''re a hypocrite. The difference to me has to do with this FTM/MTF idea that you are "trapped in the wrong body". Going from being different to being wrong comes from outside cues.\
And the idea of a ''transition'' which is largely, biologically and anatomically, an illusion. \
It is heartbreaking to know that there are many transsexuals who learn this after they discover the surgery isn''t the final ''transition'' they expected and they can''t really pass as a ''normal'' straight person.\
I find the whole thing sad really.
R18- I do too.
This thread sounds like something from the Michfest boards.
Thank you R18, I''m just feeling like she is perfect just as she is and this isn''t really necessary, but I don''t know what it is like to be in her body. I guess she really doesn''t like having boobs (although she loves other womens breasts)
I had a mastectomy due to cancer & there was no pain. I was told that there are no nerves where the breast attaches to the chest, so no feeling.
R22 did you have a lot of scarring?
Some, not a lot. I didn''t choose to have reconstructive surgery, but one of my friends did & she has very little scarring. \
If I were young, loss of a breast probably would have bothered me. I can''t imagine why someone would want to do it without a medical reason (including transgender surgery).
Either she''s transgender or she has cancer and isn''t telling anyone. Its odd to do this if she is transgender though without being out about it.
This is bullshit. A troll post. Stop the insanity and don''t feed the shithead troll.
Maybe R25. I would think if she had cancer she would be open about it. The way she is describing getting it done - it''s more of just not wanting to have breasts.\
R26, your troll detection attempt has failed. This is not a troll post, (god, I wish it was)
I wish women would stop doing this. You CAN BE transgendered without getting surgically altered. It just feeds the bank accounts of unscrupulous "doctors" who remove perfectly healthy breasts for no good reason.
Bullshit post (unless she is having it done in Thailand).
For the lesbians, how common is this? MTF guys are fairly rare I think. \
I just found a bunch of videos on Youtube after searching for FTM.\
I can''t find any that don''t look like altered women. You still tend to have facial/skeletal structures that make you look female, even if you have a beard and T-induced biceps. If passing as male is the goal, i have yet to see a FTM who pulls it off.\
I had no idea there was so much surgery involved. Years and years of surgeries and healing. For what? To be ''normal''? I wish a FTM could explain this.
It has nothing to do with being "normal" R30, rather to align what''s on the outside with what is on the inside.\
Men do not have d-cup breasts.\
And, speaking for myself, we don''t do it to "pass" as a hetero male in order to find a partner. I''ve been single for 13 years and know that I will most likely stay that way until I am dead. And that''s okay, as long as I will be able to occasionally take my shirt off in public when it''s warm enough to warrant doing so.\
FWIW, I have been passing as male for at least the past 8 years, since I have been on testosterone. And no, I''ve not yet had any surgeries, but am saving up for at least the chest surgery which, given my age and health status, is likely the only surgery I will end up having.
Thanks for the response r31.\
I think your idea of ''alignment'' is what I meant by ''normal''; you seem to be confirming this by saying "Men do not have d-cup breasts". You''re saying, in effect, that it''s not normal for men to have d-cup breasts.\
And i say why not? we need to change the culture so that it is ok. Why can''t we have more fluid definitions? Why can''t you be as butch and male as you feel without bombarding your body with chemicals or going under the knife. \
I''m not pitying you but I do find it sad that your idea of what is a normal male means you feel compelled to have surgery. It''s a complicated issue and i wish you well.
[quote]But, selfishly sad to know those nice breasts will be no more.\
Unless you sneak them out and keep them in your attic.
Well while some men MAY have d-cup breasts, they certainly do not go out in public without binding them and would likely have gynecomastia surgery if they do. \
And by "normal" I mean more hetero-normative in a sense of sexuality and that having surgery to pass as a completely heterosexual male to find a mate isn''t why I''m having the surgery.\
I''m frankly tired of binding my breasts, it''s painful and it''s hot in the summer. And since I have little privacy in my back yard, and knowing how prudish people are, I can''t really walk around sans shirt in the summer here, in my yard or on the streets. Nor can I not bind while at work.
Why do trannies post here??
R31 and R34 - I appreciate your response.
"I''m frankly tired of binding my breasts, it''s painful and it''s hot in the summer. ... Nor can I not bind while at work."\
I don''t blame you, i bet it is painful. But I don''t understand why you can''t *not* bind at work? What would happen if you stopped binding and just wore looser clothing?
I understand, but I don''t understand.%0D\
I hear what R31/R34 says, and I say, oh, okay, makes sense - but really I think a 22 year old lopping off her breasts is a mutilation.%0D\
There are doctors who perform this surgery, but somehow on someone so young it just seems wrong.%0D\
Yet if the person were 42, I''d say live and let live.%0D\
Is that wrong?%0D\
I''m more confused than the surgery victim.
[quote] What would happen if you stopped binding and just wore looser clothing?\
They''re d-cups. There isn''t clothing loose enough. I already wear loose clothing because the binders are tight as it is. There''s no disguising them any other way..they''re not exactly taut or perky.
R31/34 (on a different computer)
I am only 16 going on 17 I was a B cup almost C cup but I dont feel right in my body. I feel like I am a guy, like I should be a guy. I cut my hair off and now I''m looking to remove my breast. Does it hurt?
Don''t they have to pull them really, really hard and twist to get them out by the roots?
 Are you serious or jst bullshitting?
[quote]which caused one to be over a cup size smaller then the other.%0D\
r40/r42, just go kill yourself you''re clearly too dumb to live!
[R44] You know your not the first to say that. Your like every other person I''ve met in this Stupid life. The day I do leave I hope Everyone knows why. And its because of people just like You.
Don''t forget to take your cross with you r45, you clueless idiot.
obviouly they arent going to twist them off you idiot!
[R46] Instead of helping he girl out your encouring her to kill herlself? I think the clear idiot is you[R46]%0D\
As for[R42] do what makes you feel comfortable, what makes you happy. Dont be put down by idiots like [R46].
R48 has entered the clueless idiot stakes. I doubt r42 is bright enough to figure out how to kill herself so...maybe you could help her out with that. Try twisting off her tits. Let us know how that goes.
R42 has got to be the biggest imbecile ever.
Those of you talkijng about how gender dysmorphia is a social construct, and how surgical transgenderism is "incredibly sad"...are you aware that many believe that homosexuality is an incredibly sad social construct? Maybe you all should just suck it up and live hetero lives, because being gay is just an illusion.\
The truth is that you have no idea of what the transgendered feel like or go through. The pain of surgery may be small compared to the pain of waking up in the wrong body every day.\
I am a gay man and feel comfortable as a male. And I have the utmost respect for those who go through surgical gender reassignment. It must be so difficult, and you must feel so alone when you can''t even find support from gay people. Do you think anyone makes the decision to change gender lightly? \
People who feel so profoundly misplaced from birth have such mountains to climb. They are heroes IMO.
R51 run down to Macy''s and see if Santa is still there and ask him for a clue.
I'm planing to get my Brest removed .. Yes I'm a lesbian and not planing to go ftm.
I work in a back bricking job in the mines and I've never like having breast... Most of the girl I see don't seem to play with my breast. I like the butch fem dynamic.
I won't be having children so no need there....
To wear a shirt that sit nice and not have ppl tolk to my breast is also a added thing.
If it makes you sick fine that's you.... Most ppl think about how it would aftect them and the image... As for. Me its freedom.
Love is more then skin deep... Wish the world would remember this ..
I'm not going to be 60 yeas old and tits down to my knees for anyone ...
Hate to break it to you R34, but most men don't go around shirtless in public after their buff early 20's. Unless you're young and look like a gym rat, keep your shirt on outdoors. Please, I beg you. No one wants to see that shit.
I agree with R54. Only attractive, young MEN should go around shirtless.
Thank you, r51.
R34, I'd like to know what hick town you're in where men walk around the streets without their shirts on.
To me, it's a sign of a poor and uneducated region. It's one step down from the hillbillies who wear those sleeveless t-shirts. And those dudes are NEVER buff or have a decent physique.
I have noticed that most ftm's seem to come from a less sophisticated environment and perhaps, men do walk around *gasp* shirtless when its hot in these areas. But guys don't so that in the more prosperous parts of the country.
R53, barf!!! You are everything that is wrong with the lesbians
It is so sad to see our society, so naïve and heartless to people that want to feel comfortable within themselves. I am sure most people would not say those aggressive and inconsiderate things to someone going thru breast implants? Most guys wouldn't think twice about taking their girl to a psych first, when she brings it up. Shit he would probably openly pay for it, as well. when someone does something you don't understand you automatically think there is something wrong with THEM and THEY need to get help, come on, obviously, that is not true. Think before you speak, do research that's what its for. If someone wants to feel better about themselves, let them, in a way that is respectful and encouraging. So this girl wants her breast gone, for what reason? who cares... is it safe? absolutely it's safe, just as safe as, if not safer than, liposuction, gastric bypass?, tummy tuck?, that's all healthy tissue being removed... So (society) play the name game all you want (chazzing it up and such) Just remember, We've all been in a place when we needed to change ourselves for the better and have loked for support, I am sure this was not how you got it, nor is it ever how you would expect support to be like, Respect people for whatever decision they make and support them or get fuck out of the way and shut the fuck up (don't waste time on people you don't care about) just improve your life and try to improve others along the way... Thank you.