Which star had the most sordid past?

Marilyn

LiLo.

Mark Wahlberg, hands down.

Why Marilyn, exactly? She slept with a lot of guys, looking for love and terribly dysfunctional about it no doubt, but that hardly seems unique among starlets of any era.

Mason Reese

Let me re-phrase that: Mark Wahlberg, hands down (and eyes out).

Weren't the phoenix brothers part of some incestuous cult?

[quote]Marilyn

McCoo?

Steve McQueen - sometime pimp, whorehouse employee, after having graduated from juvenile delinquency

Mackenzie Phillips: drugbag, incest survivor, heroin addict.

Ahem.

Jo Jo Dancer Your Life is Calling was pretty compared to what Richard Pryor had to deal with

why Mark Wahlburg?

"As a teenager, Wahlberg stole cars, abused drugs and alcohol, and got into fights. At fifteen, he was amongst a group who threw rocks at a group of African American school children on a field trip while shouting racial epithets. The following year, Wahlberg robbed a pharmacy while he was under the influence of PCP. During the commission of the crime, he used racial slurs. He knocked one middle aged Vietnamese man unconscious and permanently blinded another in one eye before he was arrested by the police. Wahlberg was tried as an adult and charged for attempted murder. Pleading guilty to the lesser charge of assault, he was sentenced to two years in jail at Boston's Deer Island House of Correction, of which he served 45 days. In yet another incident, it was alleged the 21-year-old Wahlberg fractured the jaw of a neighbor in an unprovoked attack."

Shane Klingensmith

What's ever happened to old Shane? and his Mother?

Rory Calhoun was a teen criminal who did time at San Quentin before he was released at age 21. Alan Ladd's wife discovered him riding a horse in a park and got him a studio contract that led to a long career.

It had to be said, R15

Billie Holiday had it pretty rough.

Marilyn was molested as a child by a foster parent, her mum ended up in an asylum, she was beaten up by Joe D, Sinatra allowed her to be gang raped and filmed in Reno to blackmail her into silence and she was probably murdered by the FBI. I think that is pretty sordid.

Charlize Theron--her mother shot her alcoholic father in self-defense. Right after, she left South Africa to model and later to the U.S. to get into acting.

Bob Crane.

I agree that it has to be Mackenzie Phillips; she willingly fucked her own father, for goodness sake

So, Mark Wahlberg is just forgiven for all the shit he did and is making millions. He ought to be strung up.

Demi Moore who turned tricks with her mother in a trailer park.

R3 is right. I'd like to add Corey Haim – born very shy, became a very successful child star while being sexually abused, turned to a homeless junky and then died while actually trying to stay clean. Maybe not sordid, but very sad.

Anderson Cooper.

Steve McQueen is up there. The winner has to be Edith Piaf who literally came from the streets and I believe spent most of her off the street time before stardom in cat houses. And of course drugs and alcohol figured into all of it, all along the way. I don't know alot about Billie Holiday's childhood.

"Steve McQueen - sometime pimp, whorehouse employee, after having graduated from juvenile delinquency"

If you believe David E. he also turned tricks

Rupert Everett - turned tricks Joan Crawford - did stag films

I like the stories about Monty sitting in a diner at 53rd and Lex every night picking up guys. Not that we all haven't done that.

Vivien Leigh

Holy shit - I didn't know that about Wahlberg. What a fucking asshole.

That person who lost an eye should sue his ass.

Like fuck - how do you do all that shit to people and become an A lister?

I'd say Mackenzie Phillips. Rita Hayworth was abused by her father into her adulthood, wasn't she, but even so with less - uh- fucked in the head gusto than Miss Phillips indicated?

I'd like to also mention Charlie Chaplin – his alcoholic father died, he spent some time in a boy's home, then was reunited with his mother, then he had to take her to the mental hospital and lived on his own, slept in the streets and stole food until his brother came back, and all this before he was 14.

Another vote for Wahlberg. Only I thought he killed somebody. I probably read it here.

I do not think the stories about Rita Hayworth were proven.

McKenzie Phillips was the daughter of a famous musician and as such is more the product of a Hollywood upbringing. She never had to turn tricks just to eat. I exclude Natalie Cole and Liza and Lorna in the group of screwed-up children of Hollywood stars.

Truly sordid pasts require some level of not knowing where the next meal will come from so Demi, Billie Holiday nd Richard Pryor count but not Mark.

His background is actually quite common and ordinary in that he is just another local Irish hooligan, so while he was nasty and a criminal his upbringing can hardly be categorized as sordid.

I thought Wahlbeg was Jewish. Is he Irish?

Mariah Carey reportedly met her maker, Tommy Mottola, when she was an incall escort.

I heard the stories about Mariah Carey being a call girl as well. Michelle Pfeiffer is also rumored to have been a call girl in LA before she got started in movies.

[quote]I thought Wahlbeg was Jewish. Is he Irish?

I think Wahlberg is a Norwegian name.

Helen Lawson owns this thread.

R27, I'm asking, start telling! Anderson Cooper has to be the original Mr. Clean.

Billie Holiday's mother got pregnant at 13, was thrown out by her parents, and went to live with relatives. Billie (originally Elinore/Eleanora) was largely raised by other people while her mother worked. Billie went to reform school, was raped at 11 by her mother's boyfriend, went to reform school again, and ended up prostituting along with her mother in a whore house in her mid-teens. Rather sordid, poor dove.

[quote]Sinatra allowed her to be gang raped and filmed in Reno to blackmail her into silence There's your winner. If 1/4 of the stories I've heard about that evil fuck are true, then he deserves to spit roast in Hell for eternity.

Don't they all have huge skeletons in their closets? You don't get to the top by being nice.

What's this about Rita's childhood abuse might not be true?...

Marilyn murdered by the FBI? Only if it was at the instruction of the Kennedys.

Where'd you dig up that story about Sinatra, Monroe, blackmail & a gang rape? I'm no fan of Sinatra, but that sounds like something invented by a hysterical freeper.

Apocryphal much?

R47 is right, Rita's abuse is pretty well documented. When her father started doing the dancing act with her instead of her mother, they couldn't get booked anywhere except in skeevy bars south of the border. When her parents were the dancing act, they appeared in a few films, but it took several years for the father-daughter act to make it back into films, mostly because everyone knew he was abusing her and they didn't want to get involved. Watch some old footage of Rita and her dad dancing sometime, you can honestly see in her movements that she wants to escape from him.

If I recall, her first husband was an agent who also abused her, but he got her away from her dad. Then the minute she got enough clout and fame she ran the hell away from the manager.

James Gandolfini.

Never does interviews.

Tom Sizemore

Lupe Velez.

Gerard Depardeau

Roc

Wahlberg was just street trash. Hardly the most sordid of pasts. He hitched his wagon to his brother's star to get out to Hollwood, then used some additional chutzpah and cunning to propel his career. He's a real smart sociopath.

Neither Carey nor Pfieffer were call girls, those rumors started here. Mariah was discovered by Matolla when she was a back up singer for Brenda K. Starr Pfieffer was in a cult, rescued by first husband Peter Horton. Whether any prostitution took place in the cult, not know, she can't be classified as a call girl.

R32, Vivien Leigh had a very proper upper-middle class childhood in India and England and she attended finishing school in Europe. It wasn't until Vivien began to suffer from mental illness as an adult that her sexual behavior got out of control, plus it's not like there were any effective treatments for manic depression (now called bipolar affective disorder) at the time anyway.

Richard Pryor - born to a teen-aged mother who was a prostitute who worked in her mother's brothel. When she abandoned him, his grandmother raised him (residing at the brothel) and beat him constantly. He was also molested by one of his grandmother's regular customers. Was a constant drug abuser and set himself on fire while freebasing. Developed MS in later years, but died of a heart attack at 65.

r39, you're an idiot. The story of how Mariah met Tommy Mottola is famous - Brenda K Starr invited Mariah to a record industry party and gave Mariah's demo tape to him. He listened to it in the limo on the way home and turned around to look for her at the party but she was gone. That's why they referred to it as a Cinderella story.

Gossip Girl's Leighton Meester was born in a half way house that was attached to a prison.Her parents and family were drug dealers

The story is partially online, but to get the whole thing we had to pick up an issue. Here's the skinny: Leighton's mom, Connie, was arrested for helping to smuggle 1,200-pound shipments of marijuana out of Jamaica in 1983. She was involved in the smuggling ring with her then-boyfriend Doug (Leighton's dad), her father, and her sister Judy. After they were arrested, her sister (Leighton's aunt) broke out of prison and became the first woman in the United States to get on the U.S. Marshals 15 Most Wanted List. Leighton herself was born in a hospital, but Connie had to serve 16 months in prison afterward.

They were eventually all reunited in Marco Island, Florida, where Leighton spent her childhood before moving to Los Angeles to pursue acting. "She's very gifted, she's very talented, she's very intelligent," Connie now says of her daughter. "I love her dearly." "Anything that her mother and I did that was questionable occurred before she was born," Doug says (he and Connie are now divorced). Even Matthew Settle, who barely shares screen time with her on Gossip Girl, weighed in for Us: "She's proof that the dream can be had by all."

Do people as gullible as r59 still exist? You do realise most PR bios are manufuctured to portray the celebrity in the best light, don't you?

Holy shit - I didn't know that about Wahlberg

When we tell people something they should believe it.We have been saying this for years some idiot always defends him and says "he's cool" He isn't cool. He is a pos

I think we can all boycott this sociopath and anything he is involved in.

Read this, but be forewarned - it will make you sick

The Michelle Pfeiffer rumor about her being a prostitute are as old as her career. I don't doubt she did some couch duty, but I don't believe she was a full on whore. Demi Moore on the other hand...

Al Pacino has said when he was a young starving actor living in Sicily he turned tricks--though only with women.

William J Mann claimed that Clark Gable was a male prostitute in his early years in Hollywood, and that Gary Cooper was howard Hughes's kept boy.

Barbara Stanwyck had a terribly sordid past. Born very poor in Brooklyn, she lost her mother at an early age (she was pushed off a streetcar by a drunk) and then her father abanodned her and her sister, and she grew up in a series of foster homes. She got in lots of fights at school and had to drop out of school to support herself at age 14.

"Neither Carey nor Pfieffer were call girls, those rumors started here." No, those rumors were around before the DL even existed.

[quote]Marilyn was molested as a child by a foster parent, her mum ended up in an asylum, she was beaten up by Joe D, Sinatra allowed her to be gang raped and filmed in Reno to blackmail her into silence and she was probably murdered by the FBI. I think that is pretty sordid.

Norma Jean was most probably fondled (no penile penetration) by a boarder who was rooming at the Arbol Street house her mother had purchased. The molestor was the stand-in for actor George Arliss, a Mr. Kimmel (sp?).

Gladys Baker was institutionalized for many years, but for most of her adult life she lived at Rockhaven Sanitarium (all paid for by Marilyn) before moving and eventually passing in Gainesville Florida.

DiMaggio only hit Marilyn once - after the filming of the grate scene for the Seven Year Itch. This by Marilyn's own admission.

You're confusing Reno with Lake Tahoe and the Sinatra co-owned Cal-Neva Lodge where MM spent the last weekend before her death. I've heard of photos of Sam Giancana atop a nude, passed out on the floor Marilyn, but never a filmed gang rape. As a friend and former lover of Monroe's Sinatra wasn't afraid of the mob enough to let that happen.

Monroe's overdose was accidental and administered by her housekeeper, Eunice Murray in a drug-laced enema on the orders of her shrink Dr. Ralph Greenson. Greenson wanted Monroe to have a good night's sleep so he could return in the morning and attempt to get back his and Mrs. Murray's job as MM had fired the both of them the afternoon of Aug. 4th.

The Jonas brothers have a squeaky clean image, but their mother, Denise was a celebrity groupie who hung around film locations and had bit parts in movies. It's rumored that Tom Hanks is her son, Kevin's father. Her italian catholic family converted to evangelicals and lived for a time on welfare in Arizona.

Mariah was never an escort but her sister sure was.

wonder how mariah's sister with aids is doing. you don't hear about her

I can't vouch for its authenticity, but there was a jazz program I used to listen to years ago that regularly did bios of jazz stars. When he did Billie Holiday's, the host said that in reality much of her supposed backstory that is repeated ad nauseum was just manufactured PR, and that she had mostly a middle-class background. The "sordid" stuff keeps getting repeated because researchers don't really research from original sources; for the sake of expediency, they stick to previously published bios and articles, most of which contained only the PR-generated stories.

Again, I can't vouch for the truth of that; I'm just passing it along.

[quote]DiMaggio only hit Marilyn once Oh, then that makes that okay then.

Neely O'Hara. I win.

Warren Beatty

Keanu. His dad a drug dealer and junky. His Mother a stripper. His Stepdad part of the Velvet Mafia. Keanu, a rentboy in Toronto.

Rita Hayworth

"She slept with a lot of guys, looking for love and terribly dysfunctional about it no doubt"

Marilyn was abused as a child, raped as a teen. her behavior confirm it.

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River Phoenix was raised in The Children of God Cult. In one of his interviews he admitted to have lose his virginity at the age of 4.

In an interview with Details Magazine in November 1991, Phoenix claimed he lost his virginity at age four while in the Children of God. "But I've blocked it out", he continued, "I was completely celibate from 10 to 14".

"I'm glad I did it when I was young," River once said, perhaps trying to justify the incident. "But I didn't want those and different body parts that were in my face to make me perverse when I was older."

I've heard of several actresses who were allegedly prostitutes/escorts before making it big (Michelle Pfieffer, Denise Richards, Charlize Theron).

As a child, poor Marilyn also witnessed her small dog being chopped in half with a garden hoe by a bastard of a neighbor. That's enough to fuck anybody up.

Barbara Stanwyck's mother died when she was four; her father then abandoned the family. She was raised in foster homes and by her sister. She started working when she was 13 and was a chorus girl herself when she was 15

I heard rumors that Demi Moore and her mother used to be prostitutes . One of her clients was the one of the producers for General Hospital and that landed her a gig there.

R24 and R62, regarding Wahlberg: Yes, he absolutely did some horrific things, but I don't think that should preclude him from being an actor. Should he be punished his whole life for what he did when he was in his teens?

R85, I'm sure you were one of many calling for Michael Vick's head.

Teens don't assault other human beings. Monsters do.

Marie Dressler started out as a stripper in Toledo, Ohio.

Clara Bow.

According to Hollywood Babylon, Clara Bow got gang-fucked by the entire USC football team.%0D %0D Rock Hudson had a pretty sordid past, too.

"I think Wahlberg is a Norwegian name."%0D %0D See? There ARE Norwegian Catholics!

Marie Pickford was a child performer in Toronto, the sole breadwinner who supported a crazy, alcoholic mother and brother before she started making films. A very sad childhood.

The USC story with Clara Bow is an urban legend.

Kim Richards

R86, I feel that many otherwise good people can get wrapped up in the wrong crowd and do things they otherwise wouldn't do. Do you believe that every person who commits some act of gang violence is a monster or intrinsically evil?

I was arreshhted for having shhhhhex at Shhtudio 54!

Paula and Ann Prentiss

Paula and her sister Ann were both molested by their father. He would take them into the bathroom for a bare bottomed spanking and would then, well...

Paula Prentiss first came to fame playing the character "Tuggle" in "Where The Boys Are." She was escorted for a fair amount of p.r. for this film by her own mother, which lent for Ann (who was younger) to be at home with her father.

Paula Prentiss tried to commit suicide while filming the movie "What's New Pussycat." She tried to walk the beams of the set one day and almost jumped to her death, but a stagehand saved her.

She was then taken from France (which is where the movie was being shot) to Payne Whitney Psychiatric Hospital. Richard Benjamin had to spin things for the press to make it seem that her parents gave their consent (consider the era) but in reality her father disallowed her own mother and sister from having contact with her during this time.

Paula Prentiss was diagnosed with manic depression during this time and she received the standard treatments for that era for such a thing. She also stayed out of the public eye for a fair while, but eventually bounced back with her husband in the t.v. show "He and She."

Meanwhile. There is Ann. The whole time that Paula Prentiss is at least fortunate enough to have Richard Benjamin (they are still married) in her life, there is Ann. Ann Prentiss was a gorgeous woman who was led into modeling and later acting by Paula Prentiss because that freed her from living with their father.

So Ann is trying her best to come along. She even appeared on "He and She" and was on a short lived show called "Captain Nice." She hung in there as a bit player throughout the years, and even had a very fair role in the film "California Split." But, as time went on it became apparent that Ann would never have at least someone who would be as devoted to her as Richard Benjamin always has been to Paula Prentiss.

Ann had (once again consider the era) conflicting emotions about her sexuality because of her childhood and young adulthood history of abuse. So, Ann remained closeted and wound up working less and less as the years went on. She was quite mentally ill but self medicated with drugs.

Paula Prentiss took scads of time off from her career for two reasons. One reason was that she truly wanted to do well by her children with Richard Benjamin and who can blame her? The other reason was Ann.

Ann developed a criminal streak along with her issues with mental illness and drugs taking. Paula Prentiss spent a very great deal of time trying to help her sister to no avail. And, quite some time ago, Ann Prentiss went on to assault their father with a firearm and got busted for it. While she was in prison, she placed a hit on Richard Benjamin, her nephew Ross, and her father- and she got busted for that. Ann passed away in prison just this time last year having served a good 19 year sentence for all of her charges.

Meanwhile. Paula Prentiss just plainly retired for the most part. She (as I mentioned) quite willing took time off to raise her children to a fair degree. And, she also took that bit of time away after she fell ill. But, the biggest thing she took time away for was her very own sister Ann.

The story about Clara Bow and the USC football team may be an urban legend, but it's generally accepted that when she was a girl in New York her father molested her, mother had johns over in the apartment every night, etc.

I believe Tom Cruies was an escort before he got into movies.

It wasn't Clara Bow and the USC football team, it was Marion Morrison.

Are you sure it wasn't Matthew Morrison and the Rutgers women's basketball team?

Yikes what a horrible story r96

Bunny Bixler and I were in the semi-finals - the very semi-finals, mind you - of the ping-pong tournament at the club and this ghastly thing happened. We were both playing way over our heads and the score was 29-28. And we had this really terrific volley and I stepped back to get this really terrific shot. And I stepped on the ping-pong ball! I just squashed it to bits. And then Bunny and I ran to the closet of the game room to get another ping-pong ball and the closet was locked! Imagine? We had to call the whole thing off. Well, it was ghastly. Well, it was just ghastly. Namaste.

LMAO R102!!!

Thora Birch - parents were porn stars and it's not like they were in some little known film. To have to know that your parents are on film having sex in "Deep Throat" is pretty sordid. Her father is a control freak, having recently gotten her fired from the off-Broadway show "Dracula".

[R102]%0D %0D What a story! Everything but the blood hounds snapping' at her rear end!

I'd like to buy the world a Coke ..bottle.

Charles Dutton went to jail after killing a guy. It's said that he learned his love for acting by reading plays by black playwrights while in solitary confinement. I think that's pretty sordid.

Both Liv Schreiber and Nathan Lane had mentally ill mothers who needed repeated hospitalization and absent fathers.

Tim Allen was a cocaine dealer. He got caught with enough cocaine to guarantee a 20 years to life sentence, but turned state's evidence and ratted out his cohorts. He spent 2 1/2 years in prison.

What does OP mean by "sordid" past?%0D Some people have been abused and it's not their fault. %0D "Sordid" should apply to those who got themselves into trouble.

We haven't heard from the Deb Messing troll yet.

Tim Allen was also raped in prison.

R112, seriously? Where did you hear that? Any more details? Thanks.

All those 40s sirens got lots and lots of action - Lana, Ava, Rita, Hedy, even Judy ....not to mention the likes of Yvonne de Carlo and all those second-tier ladies.

Thanks r66 - thats what I feel about Marilyn's death as well.

Louis Armstrong was born and raised in a whore house.

Courtney Love.%0D %0D You know that chick has turned some tricks in her day!!

Courtney Love's mother is a psychologist.

[quote]What does OP mean by "sordid" past? Some people have been abused and it's not their fault. "Sordid" should apply to those who got themselves into trouble.

Why should it do that?

No no R112. That was just a game we played on the set.

Julianne Moore. Seriously.

HELL FUCKING LO!!!!!

Julianne Moore was an army brat: weren't her parents white supremacists at one point?

When Julianne Moore was young, her parents took her to Jasmine Guy's house, hit her with a shitbra, and raped her with a plunger. I read it here on DL.

"he was sentenced to two years in jail at Boston's Deer Island House of Correction, of which he served 45 days"%0D %0D Are you shitting me?%0D %0D Wretched creature. And a wretched justice system.%0D %0D BTW - isn't he the *devout* Roman catholic who lived (unmarried) with the mother of his child (conceived out of wedlock)?

R116: I don't thing that's right about Louis Armstrong growing up in a whore house. He grew up in Storeyville, neighborhood with whorehouses in it. He spent some time in a home for boys, apparently for setting off firecrackers or perhaps firing a gun on New Year's Eve. The boys's home was essentially a jail for kids but they had such a good musical program that he learned the cornet while he was in its band. Think about that. There were better music programs for children in jails a 100 years ago than there are for children in public schools today.

Hilary Swank%0D %0D Peg Tilly

Tim Allen's real last name is Dick and he sounds like a dick in real life: "Also in 1997, Allen was in an auto accident in Studio City, California, and injured a 72-year-old retired librarian named Henry Armstrong. Armstrong told the National Enquirer that Allen "was bleary-eyed and unsteady on his feet, and he never uttered a word, never mind said sorry." Allen sued the old man for $12 million, complaining that Allen's "business as a well-known and well-respected actor, entertainer, author, commercial spokesperson and product endorser has been damaged." Allen dropped the lawsuit two years later, as a "humanitarian gesture" when he learned that Armstrong was suffering from brain cancer." He was a major sitcom star making millions of dollars and he sued a 72 year old former librarian he injured in an accident? Dick

Dorothy Lamour started out in a New Orleans bordello.%0D %0D Jackie Coogan supported his entire family as a child actor, only to have his parents rob him blind (his lawsuit against them resulted in statutes protecting child performers).

I never heard the bordello rumor about Dorothy Lamour. There were rumors that she was of mixed ancestry. Coming from New Orleans, it was certainly possible.

[quote] Jackie Coogan supported his entire family as a child actor Jackie Coogan was part of a lynch mob who dragged a suspected murderer out of police custody (while police looked the other way) and hanged the suspect. It's no urban legend - the suspect had allegedly kidnapped and killed Coogan's friend. BTW -- the media egged on the mob. The AZ shooting isn't the first time members of the media have egged on enraged persons.

Courtney Love, blew an inheritance on drugs and booze before she was 20. She was a hooker and stripper at 16! She ended up in some country, Thailand? Her passport was taken away, she was forced to strip and prostitute herself. On the other hand, Love is a sociopath and liar, so I'm sure her stories are greatly exaggerated. Then again, her father said she was turning tricks in his house as a teen, as well as shooting up heroin etc, he threw her out. Courtney Love is one of those people whose severe mental problems were never dealt with when she was a child. Her loser parents have a lot to answer for. You don't give an unstable teen over a million in an inheritance if they can barely function and have an addictive personality!

"Marilyn was molested as a child by a foster parent, her mum ended up in an asylum"%0D %0D Yeah. That's why she was such a slut when she didn't have to be (after she was a star). And there was mental illness in her family -- she had that too.

Whenever you ask for "most" anything, you won't ever get agreement. %0D %0D Let's face it, much of Hollywierd is fucked up.

John Hammond said Aretha Franklin's youth made Billie Holiday's youth look tame.

Thora Birch is one of my favorite actresses. She has a fragile, vulnerable quality.

Don't believe any of these lies

Kevin Spacey's father was a neo-Nazi with a Hitler moustache who physically and sexually abused Spacey's older brother.

Marky Mark, nuff said!

Courtney Love had her husband, Kurt Cobain, murdered.

Apparently a certain dimple-chinned actor who was known to spar as well as 'ta kiss, raped Natalie Wood when she was a teenager.

Don't be coy, R141. We all know Kirk Douglas is the rapist in question.

Although plenty of starlets might consider him the rapist in chief.

It's interesting how Courtney Love turn out the way she is.. when her mother is a semi-famous Psychologist .

Not really, R143. Psychologists are often fucked up themselves. She probably considered Courtney her mental plaything.

"Courtney Love's mother is a psychologist."%0D %0D Uhm, yeah, I've seen Courtney Love's mother interviewed on tv and rather than being impressed with her "education", I was more struck by the fact that all the mother psychologist did was make excuses for Courtney.%0D %0D PATHETIC!! %0D %0D

I imagine her mother to be like Brenda's on Six Feet Under, and Courtney to be like Brenda as a result.

Victoria Principal was a high-class call girl involved with organized crime bosses and other "shady" characters.

Her main "employer" was Bernie Cornfeld, the "Madoff" of the time.

That is real "Principal Secret"...

Jean Seberg.

Mark Wahlberg.

Ah-nold..."I'll be back" The Terminator

Re the call girl rumors, which are true? I've heard the rumor about:

Mariah Carey (surely the rumor about how she met Tommy Mottola is too Cinderella like to be true)?

Demi Moore

Jennifer Lopez (got kicked out of home at 17/18 and shacked up with some older man, worked as a go go dancer)

Wouldn't it have come out in public if Mariah or J-Lo had been call girls?

r135 Bullshit. Aretha Franklin was raised by a well-off Minister and was treated like a princess before she ever made a record.

R151: No, J-LO graduated high school then attended college.

Richard Pryor and Billie Holiday...

... no fault of their own in the beginning. Both raised in whore houses by prostituted mothers/grand-mothers. Introduced to heroin very early in their lives. Both had very fucked up adult lives pretty much perpetuating their childhoods.

Belle Poitrine.

Colton Haynes(not the porn star) is rumored to be an escort.

"It's interesting how Courtney Love turn out the way she is.. when her mother is a semi-famous Psychologist ."

A parent being a psychologist. or psychiatrist. means nothing, they are usually mentally unstable themselves!

That crass crazy attention whore 'actress' Paz de la Huerta's mom supposedly travels the world helping 'at risk women', yet has totally ignored her two slutty mentally unstable daughters. The women practically raised themselves! You have to wonder why some people even have children to begin with.

When Paz isn't 'acting', she's acting out: she loves to get fully or partially naked in public, she did a reading a few months ago, where she wore a very short skirt, then made sure the audience noticed she had no panties on.

When you feel all you have to offer is your sexuality, you need help.

Paz is an alcoholic with rage issues, she had recently been arrested for punching some woman at a NYC club, this was after first assaulting her with a glass.

r154, I know that J-Lo did one semester of college before deciding to drop out and pursue dancing as a career. Her mom went crazy and kicked her out of the house. She would have been around 18 at the time. She did indeed move in with her dance instructor, who was around 35 at the time and she did dance in clubs at night from the age of 18. I don't know how sordid any of this was, but many things have definitely been glossed over. I still don't think she was a call girl, though, I think we'd have heard about it.

I'm not shocked at all that so many actresses were former call girls, because a large part of being a hooker IS about acting and removing yourself from the experience of fucking a complete stranger, many simply have to become someone else, especially of the guy is disgusting. Women who don%E2%80%99t have the acting talent, need to numb themselves with drugs and/pr alcohol. Think about it, I'm sure a large percentage of a hooker%E2%80%99s clients, these women wouldn't want to go near in their real lives, let alone fuck and suck most of those gross looking men!

The Honey Badger. He's a sleepy fuck.

If any of you zeros so much as...

Alain Delon was a hustler.

Mackenzie Phillips or Tater Tot O'Neal.

Mick Jagger. His mother was a hairdresser and his dad was a physical education instructor. He grew up in an ordinary, upper-middle-class leafy green part of Dartford known as Wilmington. He passed his A-Levels and went on to the LSE.

R96 wins!

I don't know if I'd use the word "sordid" but Clara Bow [/end thread] ... beats any call girl bullshit.

Jack Nicholson was raised by his grandparents who told him he was their son while his "sister" really was his mother. He didn't find out the truth unto 1974 when he was 37 and the mother and grandmother were dead - and he found it out from a reporter. He never found out who his father really was. BUT Piaf gets my vote.

Duh.....OJ!

Duh--A star's "sordid past" occurs before he is famous, not after.

LOL @ r165. Now, Mick's associate Gram Parsons on the other hand ...

Brad Pitt got his start in Hollywood by being a houseboy/poolboy for Soap Writer Thom Racin and lived with him for free for 2 years.

*Thom Racina

R66 You are living in crazyville.

Honey Badger

I wonder what Mark Wahlberg's stay at the Deer Island prison was like?

Hell, man.

The person who wrote of Paula Prentiss and her sister owns this thread!

Good God!

@33 become a rentboy to rich and powerful men

Edith Piaf

TOM MIX

JLo - alleged Fleiss callgirl.

Jelly Roll Morton sometime pimp, pool hustler & performed in minstrel shows. He got his start playing piano in Storyville whorehouses. His personal life was always a mess. He ended up buried in LA simply because he didn't have enough money to be sent back to his family in New Orleans.

Johnny Depp

What happened to his former business partner Anthony Fox from the Viper Room.

The guy disappeared before he could testify against Depp in a lawsuit exposing Depp diverting profits from The Viper Room into his own pocket. Fox was never found and to this day nobody knows what happened to him.

Aretha Franklin - Her mother was committed to a mental hospital & largely absent from her childhood. She was largely raised by her father who was a preacher. It's alleged that her father fathered one of her sons. Her father was eventually killed for a rumored drug debt. Aretha was married a few times. One of Aretha's husbands abused her while another molested one of her sons. Two of her sons have mental health issues.

Priscilla Presley

Aretha would have been a 900 lb. welfare queen w/o the music.

prostitution whore!

[quote]Aretha would have been a 900 lb. welfare queen w/o the music.

If it hadn't been for the music Aretha would probably be dead by now. She's a horrible cunt to everyone but the woman has had what is, by most accounts, a very difficult life.

Has Sophia Loren been mentioned yet on this thread?

I think she may beat them all: apparently as a child during and after WWII she was prostituted (as was her mother) by her own grandmother -- keeping it all in the family, as it were.

The childhood sexual abuse was said to have left her physically damaged to the point where she couldn't carry a baby to term without six months of bed rest for each pregnancy.

Carlo Ponti was reputedly one of her johns who took her under his wing and set her off on her career by entering her in beauty contests.

Didn't Demi Moore and her mother live...and turn tricks...in a trailer park? And didn't Demi used to turn tricks on the picnic benches there?

Where did you hear it?

"...As a child, during and after WWII, Sophia Loren was prostituted (as was her mother) by her own grandmother..."

Love this thread. You can smell the sleaze!

Hands off Sophia!

Audrey Hepburn could not avoid working in a Nazi brothel. In 1940, when Germans invaded Arnhem, they picked up 11 y. o. Audrey Kathleen Ruston to work on their kitchens, but soon after she was taken to a military brothel as her Jewish neighbours's daughters and so many other kidnapped girls had been. In 1948 she moved to London to continue her ballet training and perform as a chorus girl in West End musical theatre productions, but actually it was striptease and the same prostitution.

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Is the Honey Badger guy really gay or just the Randall character?

Joan Crawford won this years ago, right?

Sounds like Mark Wahlberg is a great role model for the kids hosting the Nickolodeon awards.

I've never heard anything like that about Audrey Hepburn and I don't believe it.

I have to agree, Mark Wahlberg is the worst.

Mariah Carey's sister is a call girl in Long Island--even today! That's where the rumors re: Mariah stem from! However, to my knowledge, Mariah didn't work in that field--didn't have to! She was discovered very young by Tommy Mottola...

Priscilla Presley

I'll feel guilty if I say.

Many stars come from messed up families but what are the star's themselves guilty of?

I always have wondered if Charlie Sheen ever actually murdered a hooker?

One of her louche and powerful businessmen-countrymen, who was infamous in the '50s as a fugleman (through "ck"?..) of a group of rich and well-connected men and the testimony of a series of sexually compromised young actresses - the powerful against the powerless, - reported her: "Give this gal a big pot of noodles and a healthy GI-fucker, and she's as happy as a lamb in the fold!"

Her own producer-husband claimed about her: "I married the perfect female animal!"

She once said of herself: "I'm not ashamed of my sordid past!"

I recognized her: this is your mom!

Everyone in Rome knows it's true. An employee of my father claims he was buying her many times in the early '50s! ;)

The DeBarge family owns this thread. You have to read about their story. Its too horrifying for me to even write about it.

Loren’s childhood is filled with a boozing soldiers and pearl necklaces. She used to sell her pussy early and was selling it often for survival.

The majority of us, italian ladies, are all slutty whores.

Gerard Depardieu was a child prostitute, grave robber, and thief.

Hillary Swank did not have any sort of sordid past, she was on soap operas in very small blink and you will miss it roles in the 1980s and 1990s, and so did Jennifer Aniston and neither have a sordid past or were products of the casting couch...now Jennifer's ex-husband Brad, he was kept by Thom Racina.

Wasn't Joan Allen a drug dealer?

Courtney Love

R31 Read Patricia Bosworth's bio of Clift.

There's an earlier post in another DL thread about an incident I'd heard about before the book came out: a totally drunk Clift in a Christopher Street leather bar (Badlands, I beleive) on the pooltable getting gangfucked. Bosworth's story in the bio is a little tamer (rescued from the pool table by friends before penetration began), so who can say?

R153/R184: Aretha gave birth to her first child out of wedlock (understandably) when she was 12. If you call that being treated like a princess, well, so be it...

Re: R168 A similar story applies to Bobby Darin. He was raised by his grandmother thinking she was his mother, not knowing that his "older sister" was his real mother. It fucked him up - a lot - when he found out. Likewise he never knew who his biological father was.

Lassie.

That bitch would fuck anything.

While I wouldn’t call him famous, exactly, actor Jake Weber (Medium, Dawn of the Dead) had an unconventional childhood. His father was a drug dealer to the stars, most notably the Stones. There are photos of a young Jake and his brother at Villa Nellcôte with Jagger and Richards during the Exile on Main Street recording. He was often used as a drug mule through airports, and once spent a few days in a a South American prison with his dear old dad after one bust.

His mother died of a drug overdose when Weber was about 8 years old. She was mentally unstable and lived in England. She claimed to have an affair with Anita Pallenberg. His father, who was an addict virtually his whole life, had an affair with Charlotte Rampling.

“Some people can juggle soccer balls. Me? I can roll a killer joint in about three seconds flat," Weber told People magazine in 2009. "When I was [four], basically the reason for my existence was to roll the joints." At age eight, Weber told the entertainment magazine that he passed through Irish customs with his father and brother at his side and a half-kilo of cocaine strapped to his body.

Mamie Van Doren is a proud whore.

R14, he was a thug

Ethel Waters was a product of incest. She had a beautiful singing voice. What if she had been aborted?

Dana Plato. She robbed a video store a few years after Diff’rnt Strokes!

R207: I was thinking about DeBarge scrolling through this thread. Most people barely remember their 80s hits nevermind their story. And it's still going if you heard the news about the yongest son Chico.

"It took more than one man to change my name to Shanghai Judi!"

[quote] Its too horrifying for me to even write about it.

Mary!

[quote]The DeBarge family owns this thread. You have to read about their story. Its too horrifying for me to even write about it.

There was a DL thread about them and their history of incest.

Marilyn Monroe is always mentioned in threads like these. I suspect that Monroe 's narrative of woe has been exaggerated a tad. Many of these old Hollywood starlets came from poor, abusive and exploitive backgrounds. And yet they still managed to show up on time and read their lines. I never thought of Monroe as the tragic and mistreated figure so many do. And I think she was promiscuous because she enjoyed sex, not because she was abused.

R226, she was a mentally ill pill popper. She grew up in foster care, I have no problem believing that she was abused

R227 Right, but many other old Hollywood starlets suffered from abuse or unstable backgrounds as well. And they didn't exhibit the destructive and selfish behavior of Monroe. I just don't see her as a uniquely tragic figure.

Most other starlets didn't grow up in foster care and didn't OD

Like a fish in a barrel.

R226 MM was notorious for making directors wait HOURS to shoot her scenes.

Markle.

[quote]Neely O'Hara

Gimme a fuckin' break - Neely's only problem - Broadway don't go for booze and dope!

R325 woah that's crazy! I had heard their music but never knew their history of sexual abuse/incest?!

R15 I had to look him up I feel bad for those kids. I saw a video of Shane as an adult talking on a phone and it is obvious to everyone but his mom that he is gay.