"Great" films you HATE

[italic]Citizen Kane[/italic]. \ \ Talky, stilted, stagy, poorly lit, too long, and dull, dull, dull.

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• Thank god - I thought I was the only man alive who hates that film.\ \ May I also chuck Gone With The Wind into the mix as well. It''s only about 2 hours too long.

• All Godfather movies.

• I often hate "great" films and wonder wtf people are raving about.\ \ One that immediately comes to mind is Doctor Zhivago, a beautifully photographed, romanticized piece of tripe.

• Triumph of the Will

  Fuck Nazis

• Pretty much all the Oscar winners this past decade.

• "It''s a Wonderful Life" -- I hate Frank Capra''s movies, this one most of all.

• It seems like most gay people don''t enjoy the Godfather movies for some reason...\ \ Personally, I think Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever made.

• Add me to those who hate The Godfather films. I find them utterly boring.\ \ On the other hand (from the perspective of a gay man), I also find Singin'' in the Rain massively overrated. Donald O''Connor makes me want to throw something at the screen.\ \ The Third Man. What''s the big deal? That zither music constantly playing is so annoying.

• Nashville

• I could never understand what people see in the smarmy "It''s a Wonderful Life."

  Tarquin

• R7, why do you think Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever made? I''m really curious. I enjoy the movie, but I don''t understand why so many revere this movie.

• Sorry, I''m gay as a goose and anyone who hates Godfather 1 and 2 and Nashville ... well, I just feel sorry for them.

• A lot of you strike me as the type of movie goer who doesn''t understand why characters in the 1950s don''t just do it already and why characters in period movies won''t just say what they mean without all the restraint!

• Silence of the Lambs.

• Sad, stupid people posting here. "Hate" Citizen Kane and Gone With The Wind? WTF? I am sorry that people like you even exist. Seriously.

• I really like GWTW and Citizen Kane, love Nashville and I think Godfather Part II is pretty much Coppola''s masterpiece (well, neck and neck with Apocalypse Now, of course).\ \ But what do I know? I like Bergman.

• Ingmar Bergman hated [italic]Citizen Kane[/italic] and thought Orson Welles was a bad actor.

• I''d like to see a comparison made by the above posters (Great movies I hate - and movies I love.).

• Lord of the Rings.

• I like Bergman, too, R16. [italic]Cries and Whispers[/italic], particularly, is utter genius. I have no trouble believing R17. Compared to Bergman, Welles was a monkey pounding the floor with a hammer.

  OP

• Ditto to R9. Nashville was meandering and boring to me.\ \ I didn''t like L.A. Confidential, Across the Universe, or Chicago at ALL....and I''ve been handed my ass for saying so in queer circles.

• I can see not liking Citizen Kane if you don''t like introspective films. At heart, it''s only a movie about a complicated guy, moments of his life that don''t quite explain who he was.\ \ However, it is fascinating to see some of the technique used, the styles borrowed from German cinema especially. I''m also unabashedly fond of the animated birds flying around during the picnic scene, and I think opening the film with silent credits and a lengthy newsreel was genius.\ \ Welles could be a good actor, but DAMN he is bad in his "Macbeth." I was appalled at how amateurish he was.

• Here's what Bergman had to say about [italic]Kane[/italic] and Welles: [quote]To me, Welles is a phony. He is greatly overrated, empty, and uninteresting. [italic]Citizen Kane[/italic], which I have in my collection, for example, is of course cherished by all critics, always topping their lists of the best all-time films. To me, this is incomprehensible. Look at Welles's performance. It's cheap. Welles wears a mask, playing a potentate who is meant to be William Randolph Hearst, but we see the seams of his mask and his own skin all the time. Terrible! No, it's a bad movie, deathly boring in my opinion. [italic]The Magnificent Ambersons[/italic]? Oh no! Very boring as well. I never liked Welles as an actor either. In Hollywood, there are two categories of people: actors and personalities. I find this distinction very useful. Welles was a unique personality. But as Othello... I will not even tell you what I think, it couldn't be published. (By the way, Ingmar Bergman loved [italic]Dallas[/italic] and [italic]Sex and the City[/italic].)

  R17 / Bergman fan

• Citizen Kane is interesting from a historical perspective for its ground-breaking cinematography.\ \ Today, it looks hackneyed, jaded and boring, mainly because it''s been done and re-done so many times. \ \ So, people who say they ''like'' it are probably saying so to show-off that they know its historical significance, whereas if anyone were to objectively view it today they''d say it was boring, over-inflated tripe.\ \ I only like Godfather 2. Brando, barely comprehensible, and mumbling and sleep-walking through the first one, makes me want to throw something through the screen.

• I love Bergman, I honestly do, but I think it''s funny the guy who directed "Hour of the Wolf" and "Passion of Anna" would criticize a film for being boring and showing too much of the actor and not enough of the character.

• Fargo

• Most of these movies I love or at least like very much.\ \ I will never understand the love for Barry Lyndon, justifiably panned when it came out.

• I love Bergman but that doesn''t mean I have to agree with him about Citizen Kane.

• I don''t think these are considered ''great'' but two movies many people liked that I HATED were Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil and The Tallented Mr. Ripley.\ \ Also, I think the Lord of the Rings movies are way overrated (and I''m kind of a nerd)

• Showing too much of the actor and not enough of the character - if that is what Bergman means by criticism I would suggest that he didn''t understand Brecht. \ \ Of course the fact that I can criticize Bergman on this front doesn''t mean that I don''t like Bergman. I love Bergman and I love Citizen Kane, a visionary work by a director with sensibilities quite different than Bergman, also a visionary.

• Terms of Endearment X 10\ \ Can''t stand it. Also all Woody Allen films.

• I hate Citizen Kane too, but LOVE Welles'' Touch of Evil.

• Avatar. FAIL.\ \ & Gangs of NY. Was that POS considered "great" by anyone?\ \ Old movies like Citizen Kane etc. are sort of over my head. The unreality about them and the black and white makes them just weird. I like some more than others (haven''t seen too many but The Third Man > Citizen Kane for ex), but it''s like apples to oranges trying to compare any of them to modern movies.

• The "Godfather" films top my personal list. They top all the critics list, but to me they''re a bunch of films about horrible people who ought to be dead. I can''t love a film unless there are characters in it who are likeable, identifiable, or at least interesting.\ \ Love "Kane"; like "Lawrence of Arabia" and "Bridge on the River Kwai", it''s about terribly flawed people, but ones I can connect to and stay interested in.

• R33 I couldn''t get past the ridiculous costumes. The top hat cracked me up!

• Hate the godfather movies too.\ \ I do love Citizen Kane though

  Gay guy

• Hate the "Godfather" movies\ \ All of Tarantino''s shit (like an 11-year-old made what he thinks is a "cool movie")\ \ Don''t hate Martin Scorsese but think most of his stuff is terribly overrated\ \ I like "Citizen Kane" but one of the best movies ever made? Hardly.

• On the Waterfront. Brando''s scenery chewing makes it unwatchable.

• Another vote for CITIZEN KANE\ \ Not a fan of THE ENGLISH PATIENT or 2001.

• Citizen Kane\ \ Pretty Woman\ \ Terms of Endearment\ \ Steel Magnolias\ \ The Third Man

  Citizen Kane definitely tops my list. I''ve always despised that movie.

• None of the Godfathers ever did it for me either, but I love Martin Scorsese - esp Goodfellas, Raging Bull and Casino.

  33

• Another one: Chariots of Fire.\ \ I even hate the score!

• Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon\ \ Philadelphia\ \ Secrets & Lies

• Any movie by Chris Columbus, especially Goonies, Gremlins, Harry Potter I and Home Alone.

  Yes, I''m 12 years old.

• I think Kane bothers gays because it''s about a spoiled mama''s boy who''s given away to rich people (gay fantasy) but it doesn''t have a happy ending. Along the way he alienates people, cheats, hoards antiques and acquires a trophy spouse. He ends up in his castle alone (gay nightmare).

• Another vote for Citizen Kane.

• Wait, are we talking about "great" films or popular films?\ \ I don''t think anyone is labeling Pretty Woman or Harry Potter as "great".

• Films from among the AFI''s and various Greatest 100 lists (excepting anything animated, because I dislike them all"\ \ Some Like It Hot\ \ On the Waterfront\ \ Dr. Strangelove\ \ Tootsie\ \ Mr. Smith Goes to Washington\ \ Jaws\ \ Singin'' in the Rain\ \ Meet Me in St. Louis\ \ Bringing up Baby\ \ Shawshank Redemption\ \ American Graffiti\ \ The Empire Strikes Back [and the rest of that lot]\ \ Sound of Music\ \ Airplane!\ \ The King of Comedy\ \ This Is Spinal Tap\ \ Miracle on 34th Street

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• I hate the Starwars trilogy. They''re just B-movies. I guess most people don''t consider them "great" but they are considered a popcultural milestone. I just think they''re stupid.

• I''m going through a classic film phase right now via Netflix. I''m still in the 1940s. The only think I hate is not knowing for sure if they "did it" or not. Its all shrouded in symbolism and a bunch of nonsense. Like Joan buttoning up the sleeve of her blouse or something like that. I just want to know if they fucked or not.

• We do this business about hating Citizen Kane every three months or so. Is it a big deal in your life? Do people at your workplace harass you about not liking Citizen Kane? Or do you feel compelling to prove occasionally that you''re a complete rube?

• "I''ve been Citizen Kane-Bashed!"

  Person Living in R51''s Head

• The Godfather movies are basically male chick flicks aka dick flicks. Straight males love that tripe. It''s unbelievable how bad the acting is.

• Does anyone know what straight men see in the "Godfather" films? Really, what''s the attraction?

  Rwhatever, who said the films are about people I''d like to see dead

• Dawson''s 50 Load Weekend. So contrived.

  Leo Giamani

• I love the Godfather I & II

• R54, it''s the exaggerated machismo. The misogyny. The violence. The stupidity.

• R56 = lesbian.

• Out of Africa, and another vote for The Third Man. Sorry if this becomes a duplicate, it wouldn''t take my first post.

• HATED STAR WARS. I only saw the first and that was enough to last a lifetime. \ \ I like parts of Godfather II, don''t love it like everyone''s supposed to.\ \ I''m a lesbian, r58. Fell better now?

• I have no use for movies that would have no purpose without their special effects.

• "I hate the Starwars trilogy. They're just B-movies. I guess most people don't consider them 'great' but they are considered a popcultural milestone. I just think they're stupid." I'm a huge Star Wars fan, but don't consider the films great cinema either. They are intentionally meant to be modern takes on old, B-grade movie serials with some allusions to history and philosophy thrown in, yet a lot of people think of them as great but they weren't intended to be that way by George Lucas. When he did the prequels, he continued making them schlocky because that was his vision (a flawed vision with which he became lazy and tired, but his nonetheless). People, however, had made them part of the popular culture, milestones as, R49 put it, and were disappointed because they didn't live up to their expectations. They weren't great movies, but neither was the original trilogy. Both the original trilogy and the prequels have moments of brilliance, insight and good acting, but these occur more often when another director is involved; when great actors, e.g., Guinness, McDiarmid, Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing) rose above the material; and when Lucas stumbled and fell on something good despite himself.

• Another one: PSYCHO. Grad-B Hitchcock.

• Casablanca; Lawrence of Arabia; all the Godfathers; all the Star Wars; all the Star Trek; South Pacific; The King And I; It''s A Wonderful Life; Mary Poppins; Now, Voyager; Dark Victory; Titanic; Wuthering Heights...

  Yuk

• I''ll second Chariots of Fire\ \ Regarding Star Wars, there are movies that are considered great because they are made well and have amazing stories, acting, cinematograpy etc. Then there are popular movies considered great because they had a huge impact on culture and the industry. Not that these aren''t good movies. They just don''t fit into the first category of great.

• Citizen Kane\ \ Singin'' in the Rain\ \ An American in Paris\ \ Lawrence of Arabia\ \ (And I''m gay, too!!!)

• R64 = a fan of "Ernest Goes to Camp"

• I like generally most of the films listed in these posts, but one film I can NEVER seem to si through or finish is "The Maltese Falcon." I mean, it makes me squirm for some reason

• Lawrence of Arabia is a great film the first time you see it on the big screen, but there''s no reason to ever sit through it a second time.

• The Lord of the Rings movies were too freakin long!

• [italic]The Sound of Music[italic] was sickening.\ \ \ [italic]West Side Story[/italic] was a switchblade opera.\ \ \ [italic]From Here to Eternity[/italic] was a soap.\ \ \ [italic]Annie Hall[/italic] was an infantile romance.\ \ \ [italic]Patton[/italic] was a propagandistic piece of shit.\ \ \ [italic]Ordinary People[/italic] was a stifling bore.\ \ \ [italic]The Departed[/italic] was despressing.\ \ \ [italic]The French Connection[/italic] was half-assed nonsense.\ \ \ [italic]One Flew Over the Cuckoo''s Nest[/italic] was tripe.\ \ \ [italic]Pride of the Yankees[/italic] was sentimalistic crap.\ \ \ [italic]Jezebel[/italic] was a crock.\ \ \ [italic]On the Waterfront[/italic] sucked.\ \ \ [italic]The Lord of the Rings[/italic] series sucked balls.\ \ \ [italic]Million Dollar Baby[/italic] was grossly overrated.

• I don''t like drunk movies like "Notorious."\ I''ve never seen drunks act like that.\ I don''t like retard movies like "Forrest Gump."\ I''ve never seen retards act like that.\ \ Movies do not have to be "story": Sokurov has showed what can be done in that respect. But Quentin Tarantino should be banned from making movies without story since he is not an artist.\ \ Loved Nashville and Godfather, and Star Wars and LOTR are fine for their genre, but most of the rest of the movies listed I didn''t like.

• I don''t know if it''s considered ''great'' but I could not tolerate "Lost in Translation".

• Hear, hear, R2!

• [/italic].

• ''Talk to Her.'' Though it pains me to admit it since I''m a devout Almodovar fan.\ \ "Great" book I hate -- ''Catcher in the Rye.'' But I have to confess, I never got through the whole thing. I have low tolerance for self-entitled, whiny rich kids in the throes of an existential crisis. Even if they''re ficitional.

• I hate:\ Sound of Music\ Forrest Gump\ West Side Story

• Doctor Zhivago.\ \ Holy shit--boring as Hell. . .and proof that 1960''s bouffants do not belong in historical epics.

• [/italics]You''re a giant douche, R71 and not just for not closing your italics.

• Why is everybody writing in italics?\ \ Here''s one I dislike:\ \ SINGING IN THE RAIN\ \ Especially Kelly in the title number.

• [/italic][italic]Close Italics?[/italic}

• mmmmmmmmm

• Slumdog Millionaire.... blech.

• I love Singing In The Rain apart from that awful wank of a dance number in the middle that starts with Gotta Dance. Terrible.

• "Steel Magnolias". I know it''s not considered "great". . .I just felt like saying I hate it.

  DRINK THE JUICE, SHELBY!

• r58, you were close, bi-girl.\ \ Loved Star Wars IV, VI, VI, hated I, II, III\ \ I''m on the fence with Citizen Kane. Had to write papers one it in Film School, so I was force fed the greatness of it. \ \ I also said Nashville earlier, I tried, tried and tried some more to get into that film but just could not. And I am an Altman fan.

  r56

• [/italics]Close the italics, you Citizen Kanefaces!

• For me, it''s "Brief Encounter," mainly because of that woman''s phony, stilted speech pattern.\ \ Nobody ... really ... speaks ... inthat ... silly ... and ... ri ... diculousfashion.\ \ I just want to shoot her every time she speaks.

• [/italic] close italic

  Tarquin

• Forest Gump. How did it win best picture over Shawshank Redemption???????

• Hate "Vertigo" too. I mean, really.

• I agree, R51. It seems like DL has a thread 3-4 times a year where someone complains about "Citizen Kane." But realize that there would always be a thread where people complain about whatever movie was considered the greatest film ever, as though they have no idea that opinions vary, tastes differ, and films are art, not fact. You can''t say "I don''t like CK, therefore it''s a bad film, and people who claim they do like it are just wankers" seriously, but people on DL sure like to think they CAN say that.

• How do the gay boys not love Godfather II, DeNiro is the most good looking man I have ever seen in that movie. Could not take my eyes off of him. Beautiful, just amazingly handsome.

• The Shawshank Redemption, Lawrence of Arabia, Some Like It Hot, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

  Anonymous

• Porky''s.

• Hate all the Godfather films.Can''t stand all the mumbling and muttering and Chinatown, it''s just horrid.\ \ Hated Saturday Night Fever then and now...actually I might like it more now for the period detail. The cast were fugly and I never liked The Bee Gees.\ \ I always thought Peter Sellers was a ham and an extremely unpleasant man...so ANYTHING with him in.\ \ Lawrence Of Arabia...oh the boredom.\ \ Casablanca...I don''t care who gets on that fucking plane.\ \ Third Man...turn it the fuck off.\ \ That''s enough for now.

• [quote]How did it win best picture over Shawshank Redemption???????\ \ Speaking of over-rated crap.

• Casablanca - I just don''t get it. \ \ Wuthering Heights - Meh\ \ Gone Wit De Win - I jes don get it!!!

• Any Woody Allen movie. \ \ Jews are neurotic, we get it already.

• [/italic]\ \ Will that work?

• "Ingmar Bergman loved Dallas and Sex and the City"\ \ He thought of himself as "The Miranda".

• There''s a lot of repressed rage in this thread, especially regarding the Godfather movies.

• I don''t see what the big fuss about Dark Knight or Iron Man was about.

• Lord of the Rings\ \ Most of the Star Wars\ \ Brokeback Mountain\ \ Gone With The Wind

• What''s repressed about the "Godfather" hate? \ \ The hatred seems perfectly open to me.

• I never got Woody Allen films. I simply don''t find them funny and I don''t understand the fuss.

• [quote]Any Woody Allen movie. \ Jews are neurotic, we get it already.\ \ I don''t think you get very much at all, dear.

• [quote] Regarding Star Wars, there are movies that are considered great because they are made well and have amazing stories, acting, cinematograpy etc. Then there are popular movies considered great because they had a huge impact on culture and the industry. Not that these aren''t good movies. They just don''t fit into the first category of great.\ \ Very true. I think Avatar falls in that category with Star Wars. As does ET.

• [quote]I hate the Starwars trilogy. They''re just B-movies. I guess most people don''t consider them "great" but they are considered a popcultural milestone.\ \ People build Star Wars up just to tear it down. Even Star Wars fanatics don''t think they''re great films. In fact, part of being a hardcore fan is making fun of the horrible dialogue, uneven (to say the least) acting, and often ridiculous plot lines.\ \ Obviously, it has had pop culture legs, and I guess it''s considered "great" in terms of the business of movie making and marketing (part of of the first wave of summer blockbusters started the wave of toys, movie tie-ins, etc.), but the actual films have NEVER been considered great.

• No, Star Wars films are not great, but they''re fun to watch and I adored SW when came out in 77, when I was 9 going on 10.

• For me, The Wizard of Oz and the Star Wars films are in the same boat - crap films, but ambitious, and with some attributes - much more about storytelling (in a very heavy-handed sense) than great stories, or even great stories well told.

  For those who like that sort of thing, that is the sort of thing that they like

• I just tried watching Make Way for Tomorrow (1937) tonight. Acclaimed as a masterpiece by critics and film scholars, cinephile friends of mine have raved about it for years.\ \ I lasted 20 minutes before turning it off and putting it right back in the Netflix envelope. It was both boring and irritating. The story is about an elderly couple who lose their house to a bank and are separated to live with different children. But these elderly parents were selfish and inconsiderate, and I found them utterly, utterly annoying.

• Just watched Citizen Kane. Complete garbage. Gonna bury it out back next to Signs.

• Almost Famous - probably not normally considered a great film but surprisingly beloved. Jerry Maguire - same thing. Forrest Gump Breakfast at Tiffany's

• Lord of the Rings. I could barely sit through one of the movies in the trilogy. Star Wars. See above. The Wizard of Oz

• Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas. It's hard to believe there are actually people who think it's a good movie.

• Brokeback Mountain. Such a bore. Of course, Crash was ten times worse. The Hurt Locker - another bore.

• "Citizen Kane" is poorly lit? Whatever faults it has, absolutely none of them are technical.

• CASABLANCA. And this is from an Ingrid Bergman fan. Actually, the movie stops making sense once her character enters the story. They say they rewrote the film multiple times while shooting and she didn't know who she was supposed to be in love with in the story - well it shows, badly. The first 20 minutes are very good.

  Lesbian

• Doctor Zhivago: the music, the cinematography, the faces, sure, and yet how boring! Could never sit through it and yet I love the score, love Julie Christie, even have a thing for the Russian look of the film, but it's just much too boring... Habla con ella. Hated, hated, hated that movie. No redeeming features. If you like Pina Bausch, go to the theatre or rent Dancing Dreams - Kontakthof instead.

• Vertigo. What a bad, and very dated film this is. Hitchcock did much, much better in so many other films. That this misogynistic piece of crap made #1 on the BFI list says a lot about critics in the industry today. PSYCHO is in my opinion Hitchcock's truly groundbreaking film. A B-movie that rises way above the occasion. But then maybe this was the case with most 50s B-movies, I haven't seen enough of them. Diabolique was fantastic. And audiences prove Hitchcock didn't retaliate with Vertigo, he did it with Psycho.

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• Tree of Life, Malick is a joke No Country for Old Men, the Coens are very overrated Brokeback Mountains and Philadelphia, yawn The Dark Knight, Heath Ledger was the only interesting thing in it Argo and The Town, please Affleck and Garner must be the biggest ass kissers in HW Social Network, Fincher just makes stale movies with mediocre actors in the lead. Black Swan - stupid and overwrought

  Anonymous

• Second Tree of Life. What an utter, Christian bore. I did like Badlands though (this initiated my short-lived Sissy Spacek phase), and Days of Heaven had magnificent cinematography (as did Tree of Life, and most probably his latest). Philadelphia is a very tepid movie. I doubt it's considered great.

• One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. What a frickin A bore. We had to turn it off.

• Saving Private Ryan. Garbage. I was surprised how much I loved Tree of Life and how hated it was by every single person I know that watched it.

• I so agree with the OP! And I hate those boring Godfather films, although there is one good scene. No Country for Old Men was very overrated.

• This thread has made me learn that straight men and lesbians love the Godfather. I had no idea. I don't like the first Godfather, I find the third one boring, but I simply adore The Godfather Part II, which to me is one of the greatest films ever made it's that good. And I am a lesbian. I wonder if macho straight men prefer the first Godfather. I suspect they do.

  Lesbian

• Never liked KANE, and I've tried to like it for 40 years. Don't like the GODFATHERS. Loathe IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE. Loathe it. All copies of GONE WITH THE WIND should be destroyed. On the other hand, I only recently figured out that VERTIGO is in fact a beautiful work of art. I love NASHVILLE.

• [i]Casablanca?[/i]

• My problem isn't that I hate the "Godfather" films so much as I can't get through them. I put them on, determined this time, and tune out after the same hour. Every time. Same with "Magnolia". Love it, love it, oops, starting to lose interest, still like it, um... and turn it off after same spot one hour in. The same place I walked out in the movie theatre too.

• Lots of silly posts on this thread

• Funny how Magnolia was a very strange film. Hate it and love parts of it at the same time. Well it does have Julianne Moore in it which helped tremendously.

• The only movie I actually hated was Moulin Rouge!

• [quote]They top all the critics list, but to me they're a bunch of films about horrible people who ought to be dead. I can't love a film unless there are characters in it who are likeable, identifiable, or at least interesting. Well done, R34, DL narcissism summed up in one post! You should probably just limit yourself to watching home movies of you and your friends.

• Gone With the Wind

• How can one NOT like Nashville

• West Side Story Black Swan

• Schindler's List. Overwrought and ham-fisted. I know. It was the holocaust. But still. I really hate this film.

• Years ago, I resented the Godfather films because they seemed to take up too large a space in the canon. Two Best Picture Oscars in three years? That seemed greedy to me. I would've voted for Cabaret and Chinatown. But I recently watched them again and damn if they aren't brilliant. "I know it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart." How can any film lover not be crazy about them? I'm also gobsmacked by the distaste for other great films in this thread--Citizen Kane, Casablanca, The Third Man, Vertigo, Nashville.

• One that's creeping on to, then up the critical lists is "Heaven's Gate" "Much maligned" "Much misunderstood" No, not at all.

• Casablanca The Bridge on the River Kwai Barry Lyndon

• Aah R139 ! "It was a son, a son, and I had to kill because this must all end!" "They're my children too." Anyway. Citizen Kane, Vertigo, and even Casablanca to some extent (sorry Ingrid! I know you hated it too!) deserve what they get. The Third Man is a bit boring but I could listen to that music endlessly. Nashville is on my list, I have to see it.

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• Part of the problem with CK is that, at the time, Welles was the uber-talented wunderkind playing this strange man who could have had everything but ended up with nothing. From our perspective, Welles' life and death was even weirder than that strange fiction.

• You're right R143, CK must have been interesting at the time. Today, for OW fans only. And for the great cinematography. Otherwise, what a boring film. I only saw it once some 20 years ago and I still rememember how boringly long it was.

• Two Academy Award Best Picture winners that I couldn't sit through: Chariots of Fire The English Patient OMG they were SO boring! And thank goodness video streaming was around for Lincoln, which enabled me to force myself to watch it little by little, in a time span of about a week - which I couldn't have done in the days of videos unless I bought (or someone else bought and lent me) the damn thing.

  Showgirls was esier to watch

• Anything with Orson Wells.

• CK is a very cold film, hard to like but easy to admire. Except for the tacked-on ending, Magnificent Ambersons is much better, gives you characters you actually care about. TCM has replayed Grand Hotel several times recently and the bad, over-the-top acting is almost shocking, except for Joan Crawford. I can see why that movie really put over her career in talkies--she's the only one who seems like a real human being.

  Clara

• I guess each to his own taste. I don't get the Godfather dislike (I'm a gay man also) but it might be a regional thing. I think the first two are a couple of the best American films made and the third just misses. I watched GIII recently after not having seen it in 20 years or so. It's a much better movie than I originally gave it credit for, though the plot gets a bit convoluted. I don't understand how people don't know who Ilsa loves in "Casablanca". It's pretty clear to me she never stopped loving Rick.

• Don't get Woody Allen movies AT ALL! Boring chick flicks pretending to be smart relationship movies. Even my grandmother falls asleep watching them.

  Anonymous

• Any Judy Garland movie where she was the star (unlike Judgment at Nuremberg, where she was part of an ensemble). I'm an **dergay and I simply don't get the fascination with her or her dumb musicals. She was truly the Lindsay Lohan of her time and that is my only interest in her. Flame away, Judy maniacs.

• r149, don't grandmothers tend to fall asleep at movies? Being ancient and all.

• I hate all of the following Star Wars (and all its sequels) Raiders of the Lost Ark (and all its sequels) Alien (and all its sequels) The Dark Knight/Dark Knight Rises Everything with Clint Eastwood The Matrix Anything with Tom Cruise Old black and white movies Stupid comedies like Airplane, Naked Gun. Mel Brooks movies (stoooooooooopid) Godfather & Goodfellas type movies I prefer real-life drama and rom-coms.

• Gee, you sound like a fun date, r152.

• I think Altman's a genius but Nashville's a big turd. The Third Man. Raging Bull. The Conversation.

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• R152 = equal opportunity hater who thinks he's soooo cool.

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• I thought The Master was awful. I havent been that bored at a movie in years. Overacted, pointless and utterly BORING.

• R152 I feel sorry for you. It seems that you hate anything you deem as mainstream. I love all of the movies you listed and would much rather watch those than some artsy-fartsy weepy crap like "Amour". I know a number of men (and women) here in NYC that are such movie snobs. If the movie made more than $1.39 at the box-office, they are pre-programmed to hate it. Movie snobs bore the shit out of me. Most are humorless and have anti-social personalities anyway. Give me "The Empire Strikes Back" or "Alien" over "There Will Be Blood" any day.

• R152 Anyone who hates "Airplane!" or "The Naked Gun" is dead to me. I love the other movies on your hate-list too, but those two movies still make me laugh after seeing them each over 100 times. ...and don't call me Shirley!

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• Nashville: too meandering; corny ending; the BBC reporter was a gimmick and horrifically acted; only one good storyline (the Lily Tomlin one) which has a great scene where she listens to her lover sing a song while playing guitar. Altman was better when working with a strong script. Vertigo: Stewart is too old to play Novak's lover. Hitch made 8 or 9 better movies e.g., Rear Window, North by Northwest, The Birds. Truffaut's Shoot the Piano Player: mindnumbingly boring. I think I "hate" few of the classics; it's more common that I am disappointed in them or think "meh" and can't see all the fuss.

• I hate every movie from the '80s that I have seen. To my knowledge there was not one good movie in that decade. They all sucked (St. Elmos Fire, Flashdance, Footloose, Fame, Beaches, Pretty in Pink, Red Dawn, etc.). Terrible actors and terrible movies.

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• Star Wars Gone With The Wind The Wizard Of Oz Breakfast At Tiffany's My Dinner With Andre

• Once Upon a Time in America. The Town. It's not a great movie. Not even "great".

• "The Great Big Failure" , starring Neely O'Hara. Oh, wait, that's her real life. Never mind.

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• Vertigo - I usually love Hitchcock movies, but I've never made it more than 30 minutes into this. I don't know if Breakfast at Tiffany's is considered "great," but it is beloved, and I hate it.

• Lawrence of Arabia. I saw it when they brought it back to the Ziegfeld about ten (?) years ago, and couldn't believe how tedious it was. And how terrible I thought O'Toole was--those blank, if pretty, blue eyes sort of staring into the middle distance without a shred of honest, recognizable emotion or intelligence in them.... Ugh.

• R160 If those are the only '80s movies you've seen then your opinion would be justified. However, the '80s had tons of terrific films. Some Excellent '80s Films to check out: The Empire Strikes Back, Airplane!, The Shining Raiders Of The Lost Ark, Superman II Blade Runner, Star Trek II, Poltergeist, Blade Runner, The Thing, The Road Warrior Return Of The Jedi, The Right Stuff The Terminator, This Is Spinal Tap, Star Trek III Back To The Future, To Live And Die In L.A. Aliens, Star Trek IV, Platoon, The Fly Lethal Weapon , Planes Trains & Automobiles Die Hard, A Fish Called Wanda, Naked Gun Batman, Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade, Lethal Weapon 2

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• [quote]I hate every movie from the '80s that I have seen. To my knowledge there was not one good movie in that decade. They all sucked (St. Elmos Fire, Flashdance, Footloose, Fame, Beaches, Pretty in Pink, Red Dawn, etc.). Terrible actors and terrible movies. There were some/many good movies in the '80s. You're just listing the most popular, mainstream titles, aimed at the youth audience.

• Hate: It’s a Beautiful Life Citizen Kane (the second time) all Star Wars movies all Star Drek movies Don’t hate, but don't get the love: Wizard of Oz (after age 12) Brokeback Mountain (Move to NY or CA, morons. It’s 1963, not 1863.) Casablanca The English Patient (the only movie I’ve ever fallen asleep during) Love: Nashville (and lots of Robert Altman movies) Godfather I and II (I can't imagine people hating these) An Unmarried Woman (and other Paul Mazursky movies) Annie Hall (and lots of Woody Allen movies) R149 Is your grammy’s last name “Hall”?

• R166 I saw your list and almost had a fucking heart attack. I thought, "Who the fuck could hate all of those awesome movies?", then I realized you were making suggestions for the '80s hater above. Whew! Yeah, the '80s had some killer movies to check-out. Some others- Raging Bull, The Big Red One, E.T., Thief, Sixteen Candles, Breakfast Club, The Untouchables, The Abyss, Full Metal Jacket, Eating Raoul, Tootsie, Vacation, Re-Animator, Return Of The Living Dead, A Nightmare On Elm Street, The Evil Dead, Brazil.

• Loved the first Matrix but the third one is just Christian alllegory crap.

• It can't be possible that I'm the first one to mention Rocky.

• "Brokeback Mountain (Move to NY or CA, morons. It’s 1963, not 1863.)" You do realize that there are many closeted gay people in 2013, let alone in 1963, don't you? And exactly how do you see these two very Western rural guys adapting to life in New York of that era? Do you envision them working for IBM or do you see them joining the chorus of Oliver!?

• EVERYBODY hates the Matrix sequels.

• R171, I have always been so certain the Rocky movies would suck, I've never seen one. Oh, and the title is "Great films you hate."

• r170, the first Matrix was excellent. The 2nd one sucked. The 3rd one was just OK.

• R172. I see Jack and Ennis working in bars most likely. Who wouldn't've wanted bartenders who look like those two? Or waiters. Surely you don't assume rounding up sheep is all they're capable of doing. It takes place between 1963 and 1983. I came out midpoint in that time frame. I knew instinctively I needed to go and live in a big city. So take your IBM and shove it up your Oliver.

• R171 I hated the Rocky movies. Soap operas for straight men. The Young & The Restless was less melodramtic than those weepers. I liked the fight scenes, but they were too few and too far between. Raging Bull was much better!

• A Fish Called Wanda Difficult for me to say because one of my lifelong loves is keen on it.

• Annie Hall Nashville An Unmarried Woman John Cassavetes's Faces Pulp Fiction

• [quote]And exactly how do you see these two very Western rural guys adapting to life in New York of that era? In the short story they briefly toy with the idea of moving to Denver. It makes sense that Denver would be the gay mecca for rural gays in the mountain West.

• r177 - I am surprised by how many straight guys say Rocky is one of the best films of all times. They also love Goodfellas, which I can see.

• [quote] I am surprised by how many straight guys say Rocky is one of the best films of all times. Also Raging Bull. I thought my str8 brother was going to kill me when I said I didn't like it.

• Hate: Citizen Kane It's a Wonderful Life Beautiful GIrls Rocky Close Encounters Airplane Breakfast at Tiffanys Manhattan Annie Hall Meh The Birds

• Raging Bull - it's hard to like because LaMotta was pretty unlikable, but it's a great movie and one of Scorcese's best.

• I have to say that I'm glad I don't know most of you who are posting here. Because most of the movies you despise have at least something about them that makes them popular or worthy of seeing at least once.

• Dear Savoy mushroom head, Citizen Kane is one of the greatest movies ever made! The Godfather pts.1&2, are as well. I read this thread to the disparaging comment about,It's A Wonderful Life. I assume there is one @ All About Eve too? The people who wrote that these are overrated,or bad know nothing about cinema. It's that simple. I'm sure the thread goes on to mention all my other favorites. It truly is beyond me that a gay man who would post on the DL,could be such a dullard. Good luck to you.

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• Wow, some interesting choices. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one left cold by the Godfather films. I realize GWTW is a (nearly) 4-hour soap opera but to have maintained narrative drive for that long is shocking in itself. I'm also amazed that anyone could take a 1,000 page novel and condense it down to 3:45 and still remain faithful. We recently had an Eyes Wide Shut thread, so I'll skip all the problems with Kubrick. I love Hitchcock but also find Vertigo oddly cold and unmoving. I much prefer the "flawed" Marnie to the "masterpiece" Vertigo. But, ugh, Cries and Whispers is unintentionally funny, and not in a campy Valley of the Dolls fashion. For those of you who haven't had the pleasure, here's what happens: A group of women are in a house. The walls are painted red to let us know we're dealing with "female troubles." Subtle. One woman has cancer. She sits up in bed every 20 minutes or so and screams at the top of her lungs. There are two lesbian sisters who are apparently in love with each other. Finally, another woman smashes a bottle of perfume and shoves a jagged shard up her cunt. And, that's about it, folks. Let me add that I generally find Bergman's films fascinating but this movie will only produce sighs and snickers.

• Mary Poppins. Never bothered to seek an explanation for my hate, but I cant stand watching it longer than a minute, which is odd too because I like musicals and Julie Andrews in most of the movies she is in.

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• Star Wars. Saying you don't like it nowadays is tantamount to hate speech.

• Second Mary Poppins. A bucket of droppins!

• Citizen Kane, Gone With the Wind, and The Wizard of Oz (hated it even when I was a kid).

• Groundhog Day - no idea why this was considered funny

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• Star Wars Blue Velvet The English Patient Avatar

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• Philistines.

• THE VANISHING (the original Dutch version). It seems I've known about this film since forever, and many people (critics and other) have raved about it. I finally saw it last weekend because it was referenced on another thread, anticipating that I might have a good experience. I didn't. I did not like it. At all ("hate" is far too strong a word for this). I thought, "THIS is what people have been going on about all of these years???" Poorly structured, poorly plotted, poorly acted, poor character development, poor motivation. In a word: overrated.

• Breakfast at Tiffany's is truly crap, then again what do you expect from Blake Edwards. Is it even considered a great film? Perhaps a very good novel. Mary Poppins is extremely annoying and unwatchable. Like Alice in Wonderland on LSD. A few songs are good though, and Julie Andrews sings them perfectly.

• There are lots of movies that aren't great, but that become beloved. Breakfast at Tiffany's is one of them. Audrey Hepburn and Moon River (not to mention the rain-drenched finale) made it iconic despite all of its many flaws. Had it starred Debbie Reynolds or Pamela Tiffin, no one would ever mention it.

• Had they kept more of the original story and had Marilyn Monroe played Holly, it might have been great. However, Marilyn was over 30 and Holly was supposed to be like 18.

• I love Hitchcock but can't get through North by Northwest.

• [quote] Another one: PSYCHO. Grad-B Hitchcock I'm sure you think your reference to a grade B movie is brilliant regarding Psycho, however Hitchcock DELIBERATELY made Psycho a grade B movie. He was miffed at the audiences showing up for Roger Corman and Hammer horror flms and decided he was going to show them how to do it cheaper, faster and with more of a bang and a profit. He'd spent years working in B&W television with a tight budget and very little time for filming. So he filmed Psycho on a shoestring budget in record time, using Anthony Perkins because Perkins was contracted to make several pictures for Paramount and nobody else wanted to touch him because of the scandal where Perkins had to be barred from the set of a Tab Hunter film due to his mooning over Hunter in front of all of Hollywood At this point, everyone in Hollywood knew Perkins was gay and was afraid he was going to ruin the reps of any pretty boys he took a fancy to. Hitchcock couldn't care less. All he cared about was that he wouldn't have to pay the leading man -- Paramount had already paid Perkins' contract. Hitchcock handled the publicity for the film. The cheap grade B horror flicks used gimmicks like handing out vomit bags to moviegoers in the lobby, telling them the film was so gruesome that the bags would be needed. Hitchcock demanded nobody be allowed in the theater once the lights went down -- that was his gimmick. It worked. People screamed like never before when they saw Psycho. It was the highest grossing Grade B flick of its time.

• Dear Webbie, I travel all over Europe and have access to literally hundreds of IP addresses. Trying to ban or block me will only make it worse. I am harmless. Get over yourself.

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• Good post, R200.

• Most of the Kubrick films. 2001 has some cool visuals, but mostly it's just boring. Have never gotten thru Dr. Strangelove. Eyes Wide Shut is one of the worst movies I've ever paid to see.

• R200's a great post!

• I couldn't get throught 5 minutes of Lawrence of Arabia. I could just tell it was going to be mostly vast cinematography and not much else. I also tried to watch Citizen Kane but didn't get the appeal. Hitchcock can do no wrong in my eyes though and I love Gone With the Wind. Also hated Lincoln and Zero Dark Thirty. Pretentious. Over-indulgent.

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• The Tree of Life The New World The Thin Red Line Days of Heaven

• Robert Redford's "The Natural": (very boring)should have been titled "The Natural Sleep Aid") Bull Durham: (boring) should have been titled Bull Sh*t" Titanic: Leo and Kate Winslet made such an awkward couple. She was so big and robust hulk of a woman. He was so small and pretty. They should have reversed roles. It was much to long. I fell asleep what I thought was midway through. When i woke up that damn boat still hadn't finished sinking. Saving Private Ryan: (Extremely long and tedious) The movie lasted longer than WWII did.

• OMG. The Thin Red Line. That's another one. It's on my bucket list to watch it again and see what I think years later now that I'm older. I just remember narration over a bloody battle scene. It had an arrogant, artsy feel to it.

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• Another vote for The Thin Red Line. I thought it was over three times and then it started up again.

• Dances With Wolves

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• "Poorly lit", OP? Did you grow up in a barn? The past tense of light is lighted.

• Have you been watching Fox News, R211?

• Either is acceptable.

• Well, congratulations Gays. Collectively you've managed to shoot down just about every Academy Award nominated film since 1962, and then some. Never, EVER, get more than 3 gays in a room and talk about film, Fox News, or even rectal hair because you will not escape unscathed.

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• Avatar; Titanic; Saving Private Ryan; The English Patient; Doctor Zhivago. These are films I found so tedious I resent the time wasted. I'm sure they're loved by millions, just not me. There are plenty of others but these pushed their way to the top of the list. I do, however, like Citizen Kane; Arsenic And Old Lace; Now, Voyager; All About Eve; Marnie, Brief Encounter and the biggest Mary-movie ever A Star Is Born. I know there's not much consistency in these choices but that's how it is.

• Hated The English Patient. HATED Moulin Rouge so much! It actually made me physically angry. I felt like I was being assaulted. Didn't really "hate" Grand Hotel but thought it was pretty bad and Garbo was the worst thing about it.

• Yet one more vote for Citizen Kane-it's incredibly self-conscious and up it's own ass.

• There Will Be Blood. I know I am way in the minority, but I hated every dragging second of it. EVERYONE else but me seemed to love it. I felt like I was being tortured for two hours. I was with friends at the theater and couldn't walk out on it. Sheer waterboard torture!

• There Will Be Blood felt like I was doing homework. Not shit homework, but still homework. Everybody I knew loved the film so I went with it, but watching it again would feel like more homework. I loved the set design, the cinematography and the score though. I hated, hated, hated The Master. Hated Joaquin Phoenix in it. Hated that it didn't go anywhere. Hated the sheer pretentiousness of it all. Amy Adams was very, very good.

• Agree with Thin Red Line. Tree Of Life gave me a headache. Malick IMHO is a joke. I also never got why No Country For Old Man got all the accolades at the time. Such a boring movie. I find David Fincher movies very overrated too. Don't get the appeal of Zodiac, the only interesting thing in it was RDJ (and Ruffalo maybe) Fincher is so formulaic.

• The only good Fincher movie I ever saw was Se7en. The Game was a disappointment and so was Zodiac. And then I just stopped going.

• Another vote for Raging Bull.

• Surprised no one's mentioned The Piano. Yucky. Dog Day Afternoon...has it's moments, but I can never stick with it until the end. I think Pacino was embarrassed by his bi role and it didn't work because of it. I like Woody's earlier stuff, but Hannah & Her Sisters was mostly awful, largely due to the ever popular Michael Caine, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest (this might out me as a homosexual). The Deer Hunter...can't get through it. Same with Sophie's Choice. Saturday Night Fever. Can't stand HIM. Reds. Blow Up (& I love Swinging London films). Wooden & boring. That Fahrenheit film with Julie Christie (& I usually love her).