I''m not talking about around the house or for yardwork, but full time - to church, to the market, to parties.\
I remember an episode of "I Love Lucy" where a pants-wearing Ethel says, "I can''t go on the subway in jeans!"\
Was it more the late 60s or early 70s?\
My mother remembers a priest who wouldn''t give communion to women in pants, leaving the women standing in line with their tongues out as he ignored them.
Roman made us start worshiping in the nude when I came home in toreador pants.
Unless those jeans said "Juicy" on the ass, Ethel wouldn''t be noticed in her jeans on the subway nowadays.
OP, the correct quote is, "I can''t go on the subway in my BLUE JEANS!"
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Probably the early 70''s. When I was in high school (late 60''s, early 70''s), that''s when the dress codes were relaxed to allow kids to wear jeans. When I started working in the mid-70''s, it was no big deal for a woman to wear slacks to work.
Women wore pants as far back as the early 1930''s. They were not favored until the war years as acceptable attire except in certain casual situations. It was not until sometime in the 1960''s that they were completely accepted for daywear. Women were expected to wear dresses, hats and gloves for decades.
Women wore WHAT to work???
Joan Holloway Harris, 1963
Girls weren''t allowed to wear pants to my high school until maybe ''72 or ''73. It was a big, big deal--unbelievable now.\
And no one could wear shorts--men or women. I had graduated by the time that taboo was broken.
It may have been as early as the late 1960s, when all the hippie and Mod girls were wearing bell-bottomed pants and jeans. \
By the early 1970s every housewife and cubefrau was wearing polyester slacks everywhere.
The 70s. I was in grade school in the 60s, and girls were not allowed to wear pants to school. For real.
It all began on the same day the cane was invented.
I wear the pants around here!!
Women shouldn''t wear pants, I agree. I prefer to see men in pants only.
''pants suits'' in polyester for women to wear to work were all the rage starting in the early 1970''s\
the ''pants suits'' were often worn with a big bow blouse at the neck
When I am looking for good-looking men when I am out, I don''t want to be confused by seeing women wearing pants. I want to be drawn to a man wearing pants. If women are wearing them too, they confuse the line of vision.
Dumb post of the day from R13/15.
Early seventies here in the midwest. Up until then, all our moms wore Carol Brady sack dresses and girls wore dresses or skirts to school. Around 1972 they allowed the girls at our high school to start wearing pants. The rules at that time were that they had to dressy pants or a pantsuit. By the time I started high school a year later, everyone -- girls and boys -- predominately wore jeans and most of the women teachers wore pants most of the time.
I''m sorry, but I think only men should wear pants.
Grandpa @ r13/15/18, isn''t it way past your bedtime?
My Aunt works on Wall Street and they would send her home to change if she ever wore pants to work
Until about 1970 it was bad fashion to acknowledge that women''s legs parted above the knees.
April 28 marked the 100th anniversary of the "explicit legalization," in Kansas, of women wearing pants.
Really, r15, you get confused when you see a woman wearing pants? The women you know must have remarkably boyish figures.
I would say mid-70's when it became acceptable for women. Obviously for teenage girls it was a couple of earlier than that because all teenagers were wearing jeans.
I'm sure it was a correlation between middle class mothers entering the work force en masse. Having to deal with the whole nylons, dress up thing AND the household crap: the pantsuit became very appealing all of a sudden. And yes, the blouses with the bows was something they were telling women to wear well into the 80's (along with those ginormous shoulder pads in the blouses AND the jackets).
I remember my mother getting sent mail order pantsuit catalogues along with swatches of cheap polyester cloth. This would have been around '73 or so. My mother would toss these in the trash because the suits reminded her of cheap men's leisure suits. Sure enough, the following year we got a very dykey English teacher in our school Her entire wardrobe consisted of these mail order pant suits. (One in each swatch). Only female teacher who wore pants. Best English teacher I ever had. Unfortunately she was a complete if highly functioning alcoholic.
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My sister was sent home from public high school in 1970 for wearing jeans to school. This was in a NYC suburb, not some outpost.\
In all of my class pictures, all of the girls wore dresses, at least up until 6th grade which is when we stopped having class pictures. By middle school and high school they all wore jeans to school.
Class of 84
Unless they''re extremely thin, women wearing pants look like shit, but a well cut dress or skirt makes any women look glorious. I didn''t understand why women didn''t wear dresses or skirts more often until a female friend told me that it was because shaving their legs was a hassle, hence the widespread use of pants.
When Mary Tyler Moore started wearing pants to the station.
IN the late ''70s my mother still refused to let my sisters to wear pants to school. They used to put them in a paper bag the night before and hide them on the side of the road. On the way to the bus stop they''d ditch in the woods and change into pants. \
Don''t ask what happened when my sister hung a poster of Janis Joplin on her wall.
r13, I prefer to see men out of pants only.
My mother was a teacher in NYC public schools in the 60''s and women were not allowed to wear pants to work.
"Women shouldn''t wear pants, I agree. I prefer to see men in pants only."\
LOL, like anybody gives a shit. \
Yes, it was the 1970s. Coincidentally, "Women''s Lib" and a demand for equal rights started right about the same time.
So why don''t men wear skirts? Why is society so invested in ensuring that men don''t deviate from what is strictly masculine?
Women have more freedom than men when it comes to clothes.
I did live in an "outpost" (northern Indiana) and I remember it being either in 4th or 5th grade, 1970 or 1971, when girls could wear pants to school. Whatever year it was, it was preceded by a year of being allowed to wear pants UNDER A DRESS in the winter time, but we still had to have a dress on. Hilarious. I also remember the commotion it caused in our house when my mother bought a pantsuit. My very old-fashioned dad had a lot of trouble with that idea, but that didn''t stop Mom. She wore it too, despite his objections. That was also probably 1970 or so.
Women are allowed to flirt with blurring gender lines. That''s why they can wear pants and why it''s acceptable for same-sex affection between women. Men are not allowed to blur those lines.
In Scarsdale High School, land of the liberals, we could not wear pants to school until the spring of 1970.
Mary Tyler Moore began the trend toward pants with her capri pants on The Dick Van Dyke Show in the ''60s.\
Then pant suits in the 1970s tried make women look neat, somewhat feminine but business-like for the office when women began entering the workforce en masse. The polyester was divine especially on men in their leisure suits.
MTM''s capri pants were casual at home stuff. Women wore "slacks" for casual wear long long ago. Men wore "trousers."
I graduated law school in 1994. Even then, women were encouraged to wear skirts during interviews. When my (now-)partner and I both started as associates at the same firm, we both wore pantsuits regularly in the pre-business casual days, despite the fact that almost all of the women in the firm still wore skirt suits or dresses.
By "pants" do you mean bloomers? I confess to confusion.
Minerva Collingwood of Haughton-on-Crane, Essex
Definitely the 70s. In 1968, a girl in my class was sent home for wearing one of the skirts that has the shorts underneath. \
I remember my mom wearing a pantsuit-- a long tunic that could be worn as a dress and a matching pair of pants. It was weird. She''d wear the dress all the time, but would only put on the pants when she and my dad were going to friends'' homes.
My elementary school finally allowed girls to wear pants in 1969.
Females should never be allowed to wear trousers, jeans or shorts. It's just so un-American and downright wrong.
What was the centuries old objection to women wearing pants? Seems like it would have been easier to protect virtue. Pants are harder to get off whereas skirts can just be thrown up for easy access.
It's just not a flattering look if you're not in great shape.
I recall an episode of Downton Abby where the youngest girl comes to dinner in a long gown over what looked like harem pants (bloomers, I presume) That was Season 1. The Grand, which takes place in the twenties, has a scene with an older woman coming down to a party with bloomers on under her flapper style gown. It was still shocking then I think by the thirties women were wearing slacks that were very loose and had a flattering high waist.
R44 - Because when a woman wears pants, one can see her shape. In a dress, all is hidden.
I think in America it took women going into the factories during WWII to really popularize pants as an acceptable, universal style. Marlene Deitrich and Hedy Lamarr and others wore them and they were regarded as edgy, high fashion sophisticated styles, but the average woman didn't start wearing them a lot until the WW II years.
[quote]My mother remembers a priest who wouldn't give communion to women in pants, leaving the women standing in line with their tongues out as he ignored them.
There's a joke here somewhere
More than anybody else, Marlene Dietrich was the stimulus. Her director Josef von Sternberg couldn't get aroused unless she dressed up like a man, so he always included a scene of her dressed as a man in all of her pictures he directed. Also Kate Hepburn and of course Rosie the Riviter.
Funny, R45. I always thought men should wear dresses, because frankly, the average man's legs look better than the average woman's. They're naturally more muscular and evenly proportioned.
Women wore them to work in factories during the war, yet they were not in fashion as street wear for shopping, going to church, visiting friends, etc. for many years after.
They became popular with elder ladies as part of pastel polyester pant suits worn out and about in retirement communities in the late 60s and 70s.
Katherine Hepburn officially bucked the system and paved the way for women in pants.
Somebody alluded to this upthread.
Kate the Great in her pants, which were really like long culottes.
[quote]Katherine Hepburn officially bucked the system and paved the way for women in pants.
Correct, but that didn't put them in every womans wear department like they are today. It took several decades for pants for women to be readily available.
Joan wearing the very flattering style of pants popular at the time. Wide legs, high waist.
My BF's mother still refuses to wear pants. But she's a refined Southern lady.
My mother was the front desk manager of a big hotel in Milwaukee back in the mid-sixties. It was cold and women clerks would come in wearing pants suits. My mother was obligated though to tell them that they weren't allowed to wear pants at work so they would do the only thing possible, they simply took off their pants. Their jackets were all about the length of the normal skirts back then anyway.
I think skirts are much more flattering to more women's bodies. Ask anyone who sews or designs: there's nothing more difficult to fit properly than a pair of women's pants.
[quote] Women are allowed to flirt with blurring gender lines. That's why they can wear pants and why it's acceptable for same-sex affection between women. Men are not allowed to blur those lines.
What you mean dear is that men are too COWARDLY to blur them. Women are "allowed" to dress like they want because they took that damn right. Take notes and for the love of God, stop whining.
[r60] is right. Few women look good in pants but they all look great in skirts or dresses
R59, that's what Nan Kempner did when she wore a newly fashionable pantsuit (probably by YSL) to La Cote Basque in the late '60s -- they said the dress code forbade women in pants, so she removed the pants & they accepted the tunic top as a mini-dress.
When I graduated from public high school in 1965, girls had to wear skirts & dresses -- same thing for women in offices until pantsuits gradually became acceptable in about 1970. This was in the avant garde San Francisco Bay Area, not some hidebound backwater.
A family friend said that 1974 was her favorite year because her company revised its dress policy to allow pant suits.
Up until that point, women had to wear pantyhose - cold in Winter and hot in Summer.
In accounting, I'd say the end of Arthur Anderson signaled the death of dress codes dictating skirts for women in customer environments.
Sometime in the 1970s
The year was 1980 and I was working in a government office in Toronto. My female boss showed up one day wearing a pink track suit. Women had been wearing slacks to work for quite awhile by then, but the sight of the track suit shocked me. No one complained about it and she wore track suits most of the time from then on.
"Pants are probably here to stay--but they shouldn't stay for long on any but the most lithe and slim-hipped!"
Betty and Veronica looked smashing when they started to wear pants!
It was a Tuesday, OP...
In suburban Atlanta it was 1970. The school finally relented and let girls wear pant suits. Within 2 weeks, many of the girls had switched to the hip hugger jeans. Some quit wearing bras too!
Now the kids can wear shorts to school, which was unheard of in 1970.
When the dress code at work changed so women could wear slacks, a black woman told the boss that it was against the Bible for a woman to wear mens clothing.
This is the chick who made it acceptable. Mary Cunningham, America's first big time female executive, who was involved in an inappropriate relationship with her boss.
In the Chicago area of Illinois, I know I started wearing slacks to school sometime in the late 60's. I am certain that I wore slacks on my first day of High school in 1970 - and possibly did the year before.
The late 60s. I'm old enough to know.
All of the uncles and the sisters and the aunts, called me the Pirate of Men's Pants.
My grandmother was born in 1898 and swore to my mother (b. 1939) she would never wear pants.
Until her circulation problems started and pants helped her stay warmer. By the time she died in 1974, she was a dedicated pants wearer.
1969 was the cross-dressing revolution for teenage girls who swarmed into male stories in hordes to purchase male Lee & Levi jeans, slim cut of course.They shopped in numbers for confidence in male stores and using male dressing rooms to put on their gender conquest male jeans with girl friends / sisters guarding the doors for privacy from male patrons.In 1970 ; every college aged coed was wearing both male Lee or Levi jeans 24/7; grossly, sometimes the exact same pair for weeks !
My mother's friend owned a very popular restaurant in the 60s through the early 90s. This was before chain restaurants, when all restaurants were individually owned and owners made their own rules. My mother's friend was from Germany and could be as sweet as pie, but if you didn't obey her rules, you were out. And in those days, you didn't want to be out because each town only had a few restaurants and you didn't want to be blacklisted from the popular ones.
She routinely rounded up children who ran in the restaurant, firmly placed her hands on their back, returned them to their tables and said, "Perhaps you did not notice your own child had disappeared. We found him! This is a very busy place of business, not a playground, and there is no running around allowed indoors. You may take him outside (gestures to icy, snow-covered property) and allow him to run around, yes? Ok. No more running." The whole time she was all smiley and sweet, never angry but conveying that she would not be disobeyed.
In 1969 a woman showed up in a pants suit. The owner greeted her and told her she could not be seated because she was not properly dressed. "Vimmen vare dresses, men vare suit und tie." The woman said she had a reservation and she didn't know pants suits weren't allowed. They were the "new style." The owner was adamant, The woman went home, changed into a dress and returned. The owner smilingly led them to a table.
Life was different back then.
She finally relented about a year later when so many women had acquired pant suits that she couldn't possibly send them all home to change.
Pat Loud wore awesome pant suits
As a follow up, when did women stop wearing pants? 95% of women I see on a daily basis wear tights as their bottom garment.
I've seen the I Love Lucy episode that OP references, she has a giant loving cup stuck on her head. But what I want to know about, regarding I Love Lucy and women wearing pants, is the outfit that Lucy wears sometimes where she is wearing slacks with a big pleated skirt over them, and in the front the skirt is open and pinned back on the hips to look like an open curtain. This is the strangest garment that I have ever seen. Did anyone ever know someone who wore such a thing in real life?
OP, early 70's.
Two piece polyester suits with pants for women were the rage around 1974 to 1980.
With a blouse with a large bow at the neck to enhance the two piece polyester suit.
Hillary Clinton never ever wears a skirt with a suit jacket.
I have never seen her wear a suit that has a skirt - and I've watched closely.
She always wears a jacket with pants.
Never a dress with a knee length bottom and never a skirt at knee length.
She wore ball gown long dresses to the floor for galas, and at her daughter's wedding also wore floor length dresses.
Oh those palazzo pants were so glamorous amd edgy
When cankles went out of fashion.
Women should never be allowed to wear pants. It just looks wrong. They should also not be allowed to do men's jobs. The role of women is to raise children and prepare food. It's just the natural law.
Hilary has cankles, therefore she covers them.
Oh, screw the natural law!
R92 NOW... a WARNING???
When the Seventh Seal was opened.
8:07AM July 7, 1970
You can blame it all on a 19-year-old Cher.
She also started the long straight hair trend.
Girls all worse dresses and bouffants before her.
Ursula Ladan started this in a PTA meeting in California. I met her on a flight returning to Minnesota. She was on her way to attend a wedding.
She said that her PTA group took on this issue and it became a national movement.
She is in her 80's now. She is a former space engineer and a retired school teacher.
This pants thing may be a passing phase. Fifty years from now it could be 15 feet wide hoop skirts, corsets, and crinolines again. Personally, I think the 1950s were a great decade for style.
Skirt wearing possibly came from the bulk and inconvenience of supplies for menstrual cycles. Back in the day women stuffed their panties with towels. Harder to do that wearing pants.
There is so much misinformation in this thread.
Women were regularly wearing pants by the early 1960s. Of course there were situations where they were not considered proper, but for casual daywear, they were all the rage. Watch any old Dick Van Dyke show and take a look at Laura Petrie.
And check out old Sears catalogues to see mass market tastes of the era.
This was the look in 1963:
I remember being allowed to wear pants in the 1970s and it was a big deal.
When did they start putting internet access in caskets? That is the only explanation for some of the threads lately.
I graduated HS in 1968 in NYC. They allowed girls to wear pants the following year. I was pissed.I was not allowed to wear pants to work until about 71, 72, and then it had to be pantsuits. The plus of wearing pants is you don't have to wear pantyhose. IMO that is one of the reasons HC wears slacks.
It depends on where you lived and what the occasion was.
I can remember being with my mother in downtown Omaha, Nebraska in the spring of 1963. She was wearing pedal pushers and she noticed that she was the only woman on the streets not in a skirt.
But we were from suburban New Jersey where pants on women, at least in informal situations at home, was not unusual.
But my mom would never have been seen in pants back then going out at night, or to the movies, or to a PTA meeting, for example.
[quote]Personally, I think the 1950s were a great decade for style.
I'm a man and I thought men's fashion in the 50s was awful. A shirt and tie was required even in casual situation. I would hate to go back to that.
Amen R105. I am a proud necktie burner and will not wear that symbol of oppression.
I don't think men should have to wear neckties on the hottest day in July, but they can be beautiful and stylish. Beautiful colors and patterns. It can really make a guy look good.
I think Randy on Say Yes to the Dress looks fabulous in his suits and ties. He's such a diplomat with those heifers.
Tattoos and wedding dresses don't go together.
Not only do women wear pants all the time, they are also tattooed like stevedores.
Eva Peron was the first woman in Argentina to wear pants in public. It was further shocking because she was the first lady.
Then again, she defied tradition and encouraged the masses to call her "Evita" (Spanish for "Little Eva") in a time and place where diminutives were only for family and close friends; the first lady was always referred to as "Señora."
Eva and Juan with the U.S. Ambassador to Argentina and his wife:
Back in the '50s Carol Burnett went to Rumplemeyers on Central Park and was rudely told that she could not be seated because the restaurant did not allow women in pants.
"I'm terribly sorry," Burnett said, in a very loud "stage whisper" so other diners could hear. "But you see, I've got a wooden leg and a skirt is too revealing."
The maitre d' let her in. She limped over to her table and sat down.
My moms friend owned a restaurant and would not allow women in who were wearing pantsuits until 1971. And it had to be a pantsuit, not simply pants and a random blouse. The pants and the top had to be of the same material. Or the pants and jacket had to be of the same material.
I see kids at charter schools wearing the same unisex uniform of khaki pants and golf shirts. I would have died if I had to look like a Best Buy storeclerk during adolescence.
I would have worn earrings and caftans
It wasn't until 1973 we could wear nice slacks to High School. However, that let us wear skirts that showed our bottoms. I find that ironic. Jeans were a no-no to wear to class even when I got into college in 1973. I remember wear wide leg bell bottoms to frat parties. I think finally we could wear jeans in college to class around 1976.
Women wear pants because they are comfortable, practical, and facilitate freedom of movement. Unlike skirts, which require the wearer to "sit in a ladylike fashion" and are somewhat restrictive. Dresses and skirts also provide gender typing, which many men and even women seem to require for their psychological comfort.
True that in many business and professional spheres dresses and skirts are de riguer. Men do like to hobble their women. Women who want to advance in those arenas comply.
Girls (and boys, obviously) were allowed to were jeans to high school in 1969. Also right around that time, boys were allowed to have long hair. This was in Chicago. The columnist Mike Royko had a column about a boy who was suspended because he refused to cut his hair. I don't know if that turned the tide, but it made a big impression on me at the time.
As far as work is concerned, I don't recall ever being required to wear dresses/skirts at work from the beginning of my work history in the early 70's. If it was a corporate-type job, you were expected to wear nice pantsuits and of course we wore dresses and skirts as well.
As a 'regular' trend, I would say not until the 80s (especially outside large cities).
Just to add, my friend was told she could only wear a skirt while working for a major accounting firm in the 1980s in Toronto, and the same applied to most major offices in London, England.
I saw a women's pants suit the first time backstage at the Circle Star Theatre in San Carlos, California 1968 when Georgia Brown came roaring thru the stage door.
She was appearing in the Oliver tour and looking very fashionable in her gray tweed Mod suit and fabulous black boots.
She was wonderful in the role of Nancy btw.
In my culture the men traditionally wear wraps. Even with most wearing pants now, the most powerful men still wear the wraps. It's funny to see people make such a huge deal about a general TYPE of clothing being so masculine or feminine when it's really so subjective.
Only in my senior year of high school were we allowed to wear pants instead of culottes.
Guys, you haven't lived unless you've walked to school bare-legged in 30 degree weather. (We also weren't allowed to wear tights, but sometimes we'd squeak by in sheer stockings.)
R121, where did you go to school? I'm class of '98 in Massachusetts public school and the girls wore jeans and oftentimes men's boxer shorts or men's pajama bottoms. That was a thing circa 1995. The boxer shorts or pajama bottoms were paired with belly shirts.
Private catholic school in South Florida. And--yes!--before the weather became strange, it did break into the 30s down here in the winter.
You're right about the men's boxers--in college, we all wore them to go grocery shopping. But in high school, with the cold weather, culottes, and possible razor burn from shaving our legs that morning, we would scream when the wind picked up while walking to the bus stop.
Try walking around in zero degree weather in a skirt or dress. Thirty degrees in the winter is balmy where I come from.
Actually, I was just thinking to myself, "How in the heck did guys who wore kilts do this?"
I suppose very high boots, but what about their knees?
Marlene Dietrich is credited with much of trousers for women. Her director Von Sternberg couldn't get turned on unless she dressed like a man, so he always included a scene of her dressed as a man in her movies he directed. Also K Hepburn wore slacks. And there's always Rosie the Riveter...
World War ll, when they had to step up and take over for the men who went off to war
R99 Yes, pants were popular for casual wear but they weren't yet allowed for school, work and anywhere people "dressed up." They used to do that in the 60s (see Mad Men)
What exactly was controversial about women wearing pants ?
Just another senseless issue for miserable people to bitch about. Some people aren't happy unless they're complaining about something that has little or no relevance.