Make fun from a distance, though. When they charge, it''s not pretty.
More of a frausow, isn''t it?
This is what Datalounge looks like.
That was lame of you indeed guys. Not funny.
Pathetic of you.
This is what misogyny looks like.
This is what misogyny looks like.
This is what self-loathing homophobia looks like.
Lol R9 calm down. Hehe
IMAGINE IF EVERY OCCURRENCE OF THE WORD "CUNT" OR "FRAU" ON DATALOUNGE WERE REPLACED BY THE WORD "FAGGOT."
IMAGINE IF EVERY OCCURRENCE OF THE WORD "CUNT" OR "FRAU" ON DATALOUNGE WERE REPLACED BY THE WORD "FAGGOT."
Women are gang-raped and murdered in India because of how much people like you hate women.
Women are gang-raped and murdered in India because of how much people like you hate women.
She definitely needs to lose about 100 pounds.
No WONDER I'm sucking her husband off twice a week, the fat pig. He couldn't possibly want to fuck such a fat piece of disgusting shit.
And straight men would sooner fuck that than a goodlooking guy with a nice ass? btw, serious camel toe going on in that pic.
The heartbreak of gunt.
[quote]And straight men would sooner fuck that than a goodlooking guy with a nice ass?
No, they wouldn't. That's why so many straight men end up going to guys for a good fuck.
I do feel for the husbands but straight women are still better looking than lesbos. I'm so thankful not to have to put up with nasty dirty women. I am being sincere. I am thankful every single day of the year.
While this is a basically repulsive thread, I'll ask: "Why would you assume many women who look like that have a DILF?"
Front Butt! Front Butt always scares me. How does it happen?
Straight married guys do not have sex with men. Bi (or gay) guys do. Are you people morons or what? No need to answer.
If you've managed to get the eye of a married man he was already GAY or BI.
What a nasty little thread this is. An embarrassment to most LGBT people here.
I actually can't tell if the responders to this thread are ignorant, have low IQs or both, but whatever the case, it's not a good look.
Newbies, please avoid threads like this. They are poisonous and evil. (The mods allow them for unknown reasons. They actually allow even worse posts in fact. Very little is off limits. You could start your own terrorist cell via the Datalounge. Recruit neo-nazis. It's all fine.)
Chop all her hair off make the pants capris and yes.
[quote]Straight married guys do not have sex with men.
Anyone making this silly claim will see a moron in their mirror.
OP's photo is just one example of why straight married men will have sex with another man. Just ONE example of many.
It's the wives who cause them to look for sex outside marriage. If a hot mouth on the other side of a plywood partition gets them off, they'll go for it while they think of sex with someone they prefer.
Newbies, ignore the crazies with the Fundie frau mentality who think a straight man can't get off in a hot mouth with any NSA person.
Honey, I have a headache!
I just can't understand how she can just let herself go like that. She just doesn't love herself.
The straight ones will look for other women first......
That woman was probably hot when she got married.
Life with straight men ain't all that.
I can understand putting in weight it happens to lots if people but for chrissakes the clothes!!!
I'm not sure if you're just a bunch of nasty queens or the trash that Gawker and Reddit put out.
What's truly amazing is that this thread actually gets WORSE as it continues.
I'm tired of all the man hate and "nasty queen" comments. Do lesbos even read their own posts?
Typical dumpy frau and her smokin' hot fit-fat DILF husband
You're joking, right, R34?
If not, you and I have different definitions of 'smokin' hot.'
They look happy together.
I sincerely hope r34 is joking. That man is absolutely repulsive.
Flyovers seem to hate women. Sad.
Go fuck yourself, R13
What R37? Lots of man hate on this board. I for one will put up with it no longer. I think lesbos are jealous of us because we are male and prefer having sex with males. Nasty women are stuck with nasty women. Don't dish what you can't take.
Totally joking. My point was supposed to be that the miserable, dumpy, life-draining frauen of DL legend are usually pretty well matched by their husbands so I do immediately feel kind of bad for using a picture of what looks to be a happy couple.
Chances are pretty good that she works at the DMV and has a black husband.... or a very skinny white guy with a mullet and likes to fuck watermelons.
[quote]OP's photo is just one example of why straight married men will have sex with another man. Just ONE example of many.[/quote]
It's probably pointless replying to you as you're bigotted and stupid, however:
If you're a straight married man, you like women, not men. If you're unhappy with you're wife and want sex with someone else, you will look for another woman, not a man.
Many married men have left their wives for a man, but they were gay/bi in the first place.
Is that simple enough for you, R26?
[quote]Don't dish what you can't take.
You're dishing with an edge to it though ie a hatred of women. It isn't funny or witty. It's villification (look it up).
This is supposed to be a LGBT board. It is supposed to be a place where the LBT component can read and post too. I rarely see any anti man/gay posts here (apart from out and out homophobes).
In fact, the irony is that the straight man is sacrosanct here. It's weird. The straight man is the one most likely to suppress gay man. The more you villify woman/lesbians/bis the more you hurt yourselves. Don't you fools get it? Nah.
[quote]If you're a straight married man, you like women, not men. If you're unhappy with you're wife and want sex with someone else, you will look for another woman, not a man.
Perfect example of the mentality of a fundie frau. They can't even begin to comprehend the major difference between love and shooting a load of sperm.
If a straight man is unhappy with his wife, he will looks for ANY hot hole to get off with NSA. This isn't about love and marriage, it's about recreation --- for a man, getting his rocks off is recreation. Stupid fraus can't understand this basic fact.
This is the new DL, I've noticed it over the past four years or so. The sensibility here is disgusting, vicious and cruel. And I wonder how many people agreeing with the moronic OP (and OP itself) are really great looking, good looking or even OK looking? These are hideous people making venomous inhumane fun of someone no one here knows. I will say, as someone whose entire neighborhood was totaled by an out of control fire, many of the most generous and hard working volunteers who came to help (and the men who joined them) looked like this woman, or the couple at [R34]. Even if she's just an ordinary middle aged woman of no particular qualities, I wonder if she'd be as vicious, as anti-human as the assholes on this thread?
"I'm tired of all the man hate and "nasty queen" comments. Do lesbos even read their own posts?"
That was full my post. If you are going to quote me you should get it right. I'm tired of the man hate. I said it and I meant it.
You are the one the one who doesn't get it.
Are most gay men as shallow and vicious as many of the posters here?
Maybe you don't read your own posts R47. You are obviously just another hypocritical lesbian. If you don't like the thread don't post on it.
I think it's a picture of Kimkins diet maven Heidi Diaz. Fraudster preys on fraus!
r45, most of the vile remarks are from people who don't value kindness or emotional connection. It's all about getting off. I feel sorry for them.
It's a con-Frau!
I'd say its safe to make fun of her, considering. We are not responsible for the rape in India after all, as the misogyny troll was claiming. Hooray!
[quote]If a straight man is unhappy with his wife, he will looks for ANY hot hole to get off with NSA. This isn't about love and marriage, it's about recreation --- for a man, getting his rocks off is recreation. Stupid fraus can't understand this basic fact.
I'm (partly) talking about recreation too, idiot. I didn't want to go beyond the three neat categories of gay, straight and bi because I thought I was talking to a simpleton, but here goes:
Some married men are "romantically" straight, but sexually bi/gay, but these people are by definition NOT straight.
Some men (and women) get so horny that any port of call will do regardless of their primary sexual interest. Even so, a 100% straight guy would always look for a woman first (bar, personals, pro). And for many men, there is zero sexual attraction for another man. They'd rather masturbate than go with a man. Same thing for straight horny women.
Maybe you yourself would draw the line at a woman. If you could only have sex with a woman this year (zero men at your disposal), would you do it?
I'm not trying to make a political statement or talking about "love and romance". Just trying to stick to the dictionary terms.
r44, most straight men are terrified to be thought gay. A straight man would no more fuck you for any reason than you would fuck a woman. Straight men are repelled by the thought of fucking another man. That's why they call them straight.
Many straight men like padding on their woman. That makes sense, again, because they are straight--- they are attracted to womanly figures, not the flat chests, hips and butts of other men. Many women gain weight from childbirth and menopause, physiologically it's not as easy for women to stay thin as they age, and many straight men just don't mind this--- or don't mind it enough to turn gay for you.
You just need to face the fact that while you and straight women are both wired to like men, only gay or bi men will return your interest, while straight men will only be sexually attracted to women.
Again, a straight man will no more want to fuck you than you will want to fuck a frau. That is the bottom line and hating and being jealous of all the fat fraus in the world will not change it.
If a man let himself go, and the woman stayed in MILF shape, rather referring to him as a "frump frau" other man would be congratulating him!
Seriously, how emotionally retarded are the vicious posters on this thread? Do none of you have mothers or other older female relatives who are in less than perfect shape, and maybe even look something like this woman, but who you love nonetheless? How would you react if some pathetic, bitter social retards such as yourselves started a thread about a random picture of one of your loved ones full of similarly vile, cunty remarks?
I often come to DL for the pithy bitchiness, but this is just too fucking much.
Really, if you take care of the self-loathing thing, you'll find less need to hate objects of straight men's desires.
r54, unless you're a mind reader who can tell the thoughts and actions of everyone on the planet, there's no way you can surmise people's sexual history, particularly as it relates to encounters which by their nature are illicit.
Life is long. Many men who identify as straight have had sexual encounters with other men at some point in their lives. You're going to have to learn to let it go.
See if this example helps: I'm gay as a goose. But if my partner were the male equivalent of a frigid frump-frau, and everywhere I went there were gorgeous women offering me anonymous, no-hassle, no-strings-attached BJs, a heterosexual encounter would likely happen at SOME point. It doesn't take that much imagination, but it's obviously beyond some people.
Men can let themselves go a bit, most will still look good. Not the same can be said for women. Besides, women will take a man any way they can get one. It's pathetic. Can't blame a women for a wanting men. Any person of value would. It's the deperation that's sickening.
Stop projecting, R59.
r58, then you are bi, not gay. But I don't believe for an instant that you are bi, or that you would ever fuck a female. You are gay, there is no way you would stick your dick into a vagina, and few women enjoy taking it up the ass, not that you would stick it in a woman's. you are the type of gay whose bitter misogyny and jealousy precedes you into the room, your posts make that quite clear, so leave off the bullshit. No straight woman would take your pathetic shit in any event anyway.
You need meds R61. You really do.
Some of you are living in La-La Land, convinced that straight men find you as attractive as you find straight men.
Look, I know it's tough to take rejection, even if it's as totally impersonal as sexual preferences. But fixating on people who doesn't want you is a sure way to keep yourself from ever finding any personal happiness, it's something to fight rather than cling to. Listening to reason is the first step - give it a try.
You haven't taken your meds yet have you R63?
In my experience, there just aren't THAT many frump frau + DILF couples. Sorry, gang!
This joint REALLY must be a swarm of pure Adonises to feel so entitled to the level of criticism expressed often here.
I'm a frau and look nothing like the woman in the original post; not all married women agree to let themselves go.
OT: there are some really disturbed, cruel people posting on this board and I'm not sure if some of the nastier posts are from freepers but the stereotypes and hatred...ahimsa, y'all.
Despite the fantasies of DLers about "hot DILFS" everywhere, the average man is overweight. Married men are notorious for letting themselves go. Statistics show that there are more fat men than women, not just in America, but around the globe.
So R34 thinks the guy is his pic is smokin' hot?
You obviously have taste for shit, R34. The guy is the male equivalent of his fat frau wife.
You must be a real dreamboat, R34.
Fraus are a subspecies of women. Not all the women are the same. I have four female colleagues: two are intelligent, charming and reasonable, the other two (one married and one single) are two morons (beside being unattractive) who waste most of their time on the Internet drooling about gay men like Luke Evans.
r66 are you trying to reach for the bottom? r66 With each new posts, you're getting more and more obnoxious. Click on your posts and this threads lights up. Just calm down. You hate women. We get it.
Menopause plays a big role in weight gain. The aging process also takes a big toll on the body and looks. Of course there are many women (and men) who let themselves go. Life becomes increasingly complicated so much so that appearance becomes secondary. You have mortgages, health problems, difficult/stressful jobs.
I really don't see the need to viciously attack posters you don't know.
I'm still waiting for you to take your meds R71.
You're talking to a different person r72. I have no interest in engaging with someone like you. You reek of hatred and negativity. Perhaps you ought to share in the meds that you advise the other poster to take.
Your hatred of men is upsetting to say the least R73. No need to explain. I know your a lesbo. I'd obsess over men too if i were in your situation.
The funny thing is that the idiots on DL actually think that women like the one in OP's pic actually know about DL, give a shit about DL and spend all day posting on DL. Honies, the posts that offend your little sensibilities aren't from "fraus", they're from other gay people with a somewhat more healthy attitude to the rest of humanity than you.
Now OP let's see a pic of what you look like! And pics of the typical DL whiny queen who screams "frau!" at any post that implies that not every hunky male celebrity is gay.
Not every hunky male celebrity is gay but Henry Cavill, Luke Evans, Lee Pace and Richard Armitage certainly are. How can you be so gullible? They're fooling you.
She looks like a typical Country Music fan.
This thread is a troll's dream.
We have the self loathing gays who honestly think that their fantasy of straight men having sex with men is real, and then you have the cunt trolls who don't realize that for every anti-frau post on DL, there is an anti-gay post somewhere else on this site.
I'm here to clear things up for everyone:
1. Straight men don't have sex with men. If they are going to cheat on their wives, they will do it with women. Gay and bisexual men have sex with men. Get over it.
2. Making fun of fat fraus isn't sexist, it's making fun of an unhealthy lifestyle choice and the behaviors that tend to come with it. Get over it.
R60, why are "fat fraus" such a major target for some DLers though? You mean, this obsession with so-called fraus is actually an expression of concern for overweight women? Why not make fun of drug-users or alcoholics to the same degree, then?
What intrigues me is why so many (or maybe just a vocal few) on DL allege the board has been "infested" with "fraus" just because other posters say something they don't agree with.
By the way, r80, you're not clearing anything up, you're just saying what you think. What you think may not be the absolute truth, even if you think it is. Someone disagreeing with you is not necessarily wrong.
And, what does "the cunt trolls who don't realize that for every anti-frau post on DL, there is an anti-gay post somewhere else on this site" mean? Are you claiming there is a link between anti-"frau" posts and anti-gay posts? And, if you think there are the same number of homphobic posts as the incessant sneering posts about "fraus" then you have no sense of quantity.
The photo in R34 shows Steelers fans. Believe me, this woman is thin and fit for being a frau in Steelers country.
r80, you must be a flyover, because that is not big city mentality. I live in NYC and there are tons of straight DILF types who can be had. Maybe they're looking to experiment a bit. Many work hard on their bodies, and maybe they're looking to be appreciated/admired by other men. Whatever the reason, they're out there looking for NSA sex with other men. These are men who identify as straight and probably think about pussy when their head hits the pillow at night, but they are open to engaging in RECREATIONAL sex with other men. Their first preference would be other straight men who also engage recreational M2M sex. After that, they will have sex with gay men, but only masculine gay men who can pass for straight.
I'm an extremely masculine gay guy; a jock type who loves sports. I've been able to screw around with a numerous straight guys for the very fact that I'm masculine. They do not want effem.inate guys. They will not go near them. For some reason, some of my most sexually fulfilling encounters have been with straight men.
[quote]and then you have the cunt trolls who don't realize that for every anti-frau post on DL, there is an anti-gay post somewhere else on this site.
Back that up. Point to it.
R83 Du bist ne Schlampe!
[quote]I live in NYC and there are tons of straight DILF types who can be had. Many work hard on their bodies, and maybe they're looking to be appreciated/admired by other men. Whatever the reason, they're out there looking for NSA sex with other men. These are men who identify as straight and probably think about pussy when their head hits the pillow at night, but they are open to engaging in RECREATIONAL sex with other men. Their first preference would be other straight men who also engage recreational M2M sex. After that, they will have sex with gay men, but only masculine gay men who can pass for straight.
The men you're describing aren't straight. Straight men don't seek out men to have sex with. Gay and bisexual men do. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Sorry to break the fantasy.
Fascinating but bizarre comment war, here....
I'm always amused when a DL troll has a one size fits all answer for everything. EVERY married man MUST be getting blown by a dude on the side. ANY man with a fat wife gets it on with guys. ALL large sized women must be stupid fraus and cows.
The world is more complex than that, folks. I'm sure there's a number of men who are married but who have had a hand job or blow job from another man. That doesn't make it the MAJORITY. Or EVERY man.
Perhaps some of the trolls here are confused by the misuse of the word "straight" in personal ads, but it ACTUALLY means having sex with a person of the opposite sex. Not just "I act butch but my heels fly to the ceiling at the first tug of the other dude's zipper."
Some men are gay, some bi, some 100% straight, and we all fall along a long, multi-point continuum, not just at the extremes.
[quote] In fact, the irony is that the straight man is sacrosanct here. It's weird. The straight man is the one most likely to suppress gay men.
You nailed it. But there's a lot of self loathing and closeted-y behavior here.
I admit, I am sometimes amused by some "frauen" comments, and I've worked with Sows At The Trough and recognize the 'type'.
But what starts as amusing and funny (poking fun at stereotypes) goes to an ugly place at some point. It's the ugliness that gay men show anything that doesn't fit into thei aesthetic palette. Women, older men, heavyset people of any gender, people of color who are out of the range of fetishization....all of these get dismissed with a "take it away, it displeases me" pejorative eyeroll.
[quote] For some reason, some of my most sexually fulfilling encounters have been with straight men.
So have mine, but I don't think "straight" is a great term for them. They're bisexual or, at the minimum, have a flexible and fluid sexuality.
R83: Men who are primarily attracted to women but have 'recreational' sex with other men (read: find other men sexually attractive) are bisexual regardless of whether they identify as straight.
OP's photo is one of DL's primary demographic. Very few gay men left here.
r89, I don't think that's necessarily the case. Homosexuality has become more and more accepted in general society, which I think makes it more acceptable for straight guys to satisfy an intellectual curiosity about sex with men. So it's not so much about finding men attractive and wanting fuck them as it is about scratching an intellectual itch. And as I mentioned, a lot of these guys work hard on their bodies and probably get off on the sexual power they have over gay guys.
What the HELL is "Sows at the Trough" R87?
Queers, this is why they hate you. Seriously, people HATE you!
R92, "Sows" was a thread (one main thread years ago, but that occasionally returns) about fraus in the office and some of their outlandish behavior.
[quote]And as I mentioned, a lot of these guys work hard on their bodies and probably get off on the sexual power they have over gay guys.
Which would make them gay or bisexual and not straight.
Well as a man who identifies as gay have you ever had an intellectual curiosity about sleeping with a woman enough to actually seek out having sex with one R91? Heterosexual sex has always been accepted in general society after all...
Do you see where I'm going with this?
No, r95, it does not mean they're gay. It means they're narcissists and control freaks.
This joint REALLY must be a swarm of pure Adonises to feel so entitled to the level of criticism expressed often here.
(R65) - I think I love you, honey.
Just an opinion BUT I feel that posting pictures of random fat "fraus" with the simple intent of making fun is extremely childish and juvenile. Pure silly business. Time to grow up there, Adonises. Time is a-wastin'!
r96, as a matter of fact, yes I have. And that's not the same thing. Although homosexuality has become increasingly accepted, there is still a taboo element about it that fascinates straight people leads to curiosity. There's no taboo element about heterosexuality that fascinates gay men.
R83, it's really interesting how deeply insistent you are that these are 110% straight men. I don't think anyone is challenging that these guys may publicly identify as straight, or might be married.
But your insistence says more about you and what YOU seem to need, than it does about these men who **very clearly** have some fluidity or flexibility in their sexuality.
You seem to think that the thing that holds the most value is being a straight, 'normal' man, and therefore you insist your sex partners are all straight, and you are "straight acting." That's a very interesting line in the sand to be defending.
[quote] They do not want effem.inate guys. They will not go near them
That may be YOUR experience, but I am a very small framed and, dare I say it, petite man. I am sure I read as less masculine than you, but many of the bisexual men, married men, or otherwise straight identifying men that I've talked to and played with have cited my size, appearance and feminine/androgynous appearance as the reason they found me attractive.
Let me repeat it again: WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME. YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE DOES NOT MEAN EVERYONE ELSE FOLLOWS IN YOUR FOOTSTEPS OR DOES THE SAME.
R99 -- don't be so sure of that. Gay (male) culture is INCREDIBLY bi-phobic; there are guys who "identify as gay" who are not pure Kinsey 6's, but don't want to face dealing with the anti-bi bullshit.
[quote]And as I mentioned, a lot of these guys work hard on their bodies and probably get off on the sexual power they have over gay guys.
I'm sure that's true in some cases but those guys don't actually want to have sex with men. "Straight" men that do have sex with other men are bi. By definition, if they're sexually attracted to men they're bi or gay.
What is it with you ? Why do you want these guys to be straight (they're not). Why is a bi or gay guy inferior? This is such a sick, self-loathing attitude.
Jesus Christ there are some thick idiots out there. A straight male is not attracted to guys, simply as that. If a guy enjoys being blown by another dude he is either gay or bisexual. Stop worshiping in the althar of "straightness". You are either idiots or into some stupid roleplay fantasy in the internet which is even more sad.
R103 -- many here accept that straight-identified men, living a "straight" lifestyle, on the Down Low, are "straight"! They're not bisexual unless they fuck up and admit they liked it.
Straight men DO use gay men for sex, just as they will use female prostitutes or women who are passed out on drugs or are drunk.
And they are 100% straight--its just that the gay man is just a hole to them.
You gay men who are obsessed with straight men need to understand that these men who use you for sex often times will refer to gay men as "faggots." They will not fight for your rights, do not care about you, nor do they respect you. They harbor the same derision that they have for any "loose" women that they sleep with.
Many straight men still have the Madonna/Whore complex and view gays as whores. You are second-rate women to them, understand that. these men are NOT bisexual or closet-cases, they are straight men USING YOU AS THEY WOULD A PROSTITUTE, ONLY YOU ARE GIVING IT AWAY FOR FREE.
To the OP and others of that ilk:
Are you so very beautiful yourselves? Whether or not you are, you're not looking outside the square. If you are externally beautiful it is mostly due to luck (that and the time and money to spend hours at the gym). You were lucky to even be born let alone be in the situation where you've ended up with OK looks.
This could be taken away tomorrow though due to bad luck. What would you do then? Slit your wrists?
If you're lucky enough to grow into middle age, those looks will go.
Maybe you're having fun now, but it won't last because you're very ugly on the inside, and you'll soon be ugly on the outside as well.
If straight men had to actually PAY for their encounters with gay men than they would not have sex with them. Straight men have to pay, in some way or another, to sleep with women. It can be expensive to woo a woman, it requires patience, and if she gets pregnant than the guy is in it for life.
This is why so many low-income men are on the down-low. It's just a cheap method of having sex. Most of these men cannot secure work, or if they do, it's not high paying work. Women and their babies are a huge financial obligation so many men are giving up on those relationships. However, they are still heterosexual men, they just like free sex, with no babies involved.
Down-low men describe themselves as heterosexual because they ARE. Their ideal life would be to settle down and have a nice family life. But the American, or Mexican, or Brazilian Dream is out of their reach, so they relieve themselves sexually with other men.
It's about being touched, lonliness, and the inability to support a family.
It's the gay he wishes away, R106.
Don't you get it?
Down-low men are not gay, and if anything, they probably wish they were to make their lives easier.
True gay men cohabitate with each other. Down-low men live off of women, typically. The down-low man is usually poor and not able to support a family.
Out gay men cohabitate and are generally successful and financially secure or wealthy.
One thing we NEVER discuss in this country is how financial status affects our romantic and sexual life. This is a great taboo in America.
When we are poor we cannot be ourselves.
If a straight identifying man gets satisfaction out of having sex with a man, he is not 100% straight. The men you guys are referring to - poor or whatever - are bi. It doesn't matter that they have an overwhelming preference for women, they are still bi.
Take jail birds for instance. Some only have sex with men in jail, but not outside. Are they straight ? - no. They're bi but have a preference for women. There are plenty of guys who go to jail and don't have sex. They're the straight ones.
Why is this so hard? I guess because so many are bi-phobic.
They are not bi because they don't fall in love with other men. In fact, these jail birds will often times kill,, rape, or pimp out their male sex partners.
Women who are bi are projecting their own experiences of falling in love with other women onto these men. For a woman, these are intensely erotic and caring episodes. But men are not like women in that respect. The penis goes up and down, likes to be touched, and wants a release. It's not an all-encompassing, spiritual, and earth-shattering experience like it is for many women.
And to add, jail birds are con artists and opportunists, so if a hole presents itself it will be jumped on.
I could only get through about 30 posts in this thread. So toxic. It makes me sad how much people will spew vitriol about random strangers. Ann Coulter? Go right ahead. But some random person you find ugly? And then to denigrate a segment of population who hasn't done anything to you (except, of course... helping you get here)?
You are equal to those who denigrate the LGBT community. Equal.
You are the problem, just like the Freepers and Fundies. Why don't you be the answer instead? Ask yourself honestly how you can contribute to this world rather than what you're doing.
Sorry to be preachy, but it's hard to sit quietly watching meanness without cause.
Then why don't all male jail birds have sex with other men? My understanding is that only some do willingly (not counting the ones that get forced into it).
Your sexuality is to do with sex, not with who you fall in love with (though 99.99% of the time you'll want to have sex with the one you fall in love with). Some people don't fall in love with anyone but they're still sexual.
If you only fall in love with the opposite sex but you like sex with both genders, you are bi. Plain and simple.
If you actively seek out sex with the same gender (prison aside with no women available), you are NOT straight. If you have sex with guys for money (or do porn), and "it's just a job, my fantasies are all about chicks" then yes, you are "straight."
See how easy that was!
R112 is just another hypocritical lesbian cunt. If you don't like the thread then don't post on it.
I agree with the posters saying there are times men just want a hole. So all the hypocritcal cunts who posts "books" bashing other posters because their opinion is different than theirs can go shove it up their dirty nasty cunts.
Best troll post ever.
To all of the beautiful gay men out there who are having sex with straight men:
You may be encountering men who are mentally ill, sociopathic, or addicted to drugs and/or alcohol. They may be seeking out anonynmous sex with men because they are manic, high, drunk, or looking for victims. For the most part, these are men who are too poor, in debt, or too cheap to use a female prostitute, and they may take out their anger on you.
My advice, not that any of you will take it, is to stick with other gay men.
God bless all gays and lesbians.
Straight men aren't seeking out sex with gay men, so that's not the problem.
Those sickies are abusing women, they're plenty of self-loathing females they can find.
Kinda like the self-loathing gays here who need to believe in straight sex fantasy.
[quote]I agree with the posters saying there are times men just want a hole. So all the hypocritcal cunts who posts "books" bashing other posters because their opinion is different than theirs can go shove it up their dirty nasty cunts.
Yes, there are times when a bi guy just wants a hole - male or female - doesn't matter.
And a straight guy just wants a female hole. He doesn't care who the woman is providing she is a woman.
Why is this so hard? Check the dictionary.
Be as preachy as you like R112. You shouldn't be apologising on this thread, given the bullying and vile posts here.
Most women can swing as bi but it's very rare to find a truely bisexual male.
Men are far more rigid in their wiring i.e. wierd fetishs such as foot worship and only going for blondes with big boobs or asian chicks.
David Bowie started the whole bisexal thing in our culture and made it chic however, he himself is not bisxual, it was just for publiicty.
David Bowie has only lived wih women and is a major pussy hound. Yes, he's probably been with other men HOWEVER I've been told that no one has ever seen him with another man or known a guy who has slept with him.
Bowie is a great marketer and self-promoter. He started the whole male-bisexual myth but in reality it is a very rare condition with men, although most commonplace with women.
[quote]They are not bi because they don't fall in love with other men.
That has nothing to do with bisexuality. This idea that being bisexual means you have an equal preference to both genders, or that you date both genders is a common misunderstanding.
If you have some level of sexual attraction to both genders you are bisexual to some degree. Whether or not you strongly prefer women and wouldn't date a man, or you strongly prefer men and wouldn't date a woman.
Of course most of these people identify as "straight" or "gay", which is fine, but they are technically bisexual. There are straight kinsey zeroes who would never willingly do anything sexual with a man or gay kinsey 6s who would never willingly do anything with a women.
It isn't that complicated.
You may have a better handle on the stats than me but a true bi-sexual is sexually attracted to both sexes and/or enjoys sex with both sexes (if only of the nearest available hole type).
I think sexuality stats are extremely dubious. Even on the Datalounge there is great disagreement about what is gay, straight or bi. How the hell can statisticians ever get vaguely sensible stats given the confusion in the general population. I think this is why the gay/bi stats are so low. Not a true indication of reality.
I wish that some of the bitter women hating gays here would get that women who have always supported gays suffer at the hands of frau-types as well.
R121 - there are bisexual males, but many guys who so identify have little or no interest in women. On the other end of the spectrum, there are guys who ARE bisexual, who identify as "straight" - confusing enough?
Many gays dismiss (male) bisexuality as a myth/copout because the guys they know (or have heard of) are primarily interested in men.
You can't reason reason with lesbo cunts. No more proof needed. This thread nails the door shut. Maybe they should spend more time cleaning their nasy cunts and less time confirming what long winded hypocritical twats they are.
R126 is a freeper masquerading as a gay man, or a mentally ill shut-in posting on a sunny Saturday afternoon.
Stop calling out lesbians --you are not welcomed here.
ff on R126
Who's with me?
Serious question: what exactly is meant by a "freeper"?
Look you dumb bitchR126. I have had it with the insults. I am not a freeper nor am I am any other derogatory term you wish to insult me with. You are a nasty cunt bitch that I honestly wish would go the fuck away.
What does "ff" mean, and how does Trolldar work (while we're at it)?
It stands for Flames and Freaks. Posters that get tagged a lot with ff get it sent to the webmaster for possible banning.
Trolldar is a way to highlight posts all made from the same IP address. Its there to allow us to track if it is one poster who is causing a lot of problems (though there are ways around of course if they are a dedicated troll).
R130 just called himself a nasty cunt bitch. It's his first true statement in this thread.
The best part about the posters who insist that most, of not all, straight men are down to fuck around with other men is that I bet many of them are the same people who claim to be strict Kinsey sixes. You want everyone to take you seriously when you claim you are 100% gay and have no interest in women whatsoever, but you don't want to believe that total, no exception heterosexuality exists?
Thank you R132!
Go on R126 / R130 - give yourself another serve. You deserve it!
I agree with R126. Lesbians and hypocrisy go hand in hand. I'm personally tired of all the man bashing. Iv'e been called a freeper, lazy old queeen, and so much more simply because I have dared to have a different opinion than a loud mouth lesbian. Sick of it and them.
Really, r137, how do you know the people calling you these nasty names are lesbians? The typical slur for anyone on DL who has a different opinion from someone else is "frau", closely followed by "freeper", with "fat freeper fuck" or a variation thereof a close third.
Slurs relating to a poster being a gay male are almost non-existent and then only come from the very rare true gay-hating freepers with too much time to waste who have managed to find themselves on this site. They are never lesbians or straight women but male. I know there's some fantasy going around that "fraus" from the next cubicle at work and members of the NRA are all over DL but I think that's just a delusion to make it seem that our own small individual lives are of huge importance in the culture wars or to dismiss anyone suggesting that, for example, Hugh Jackman is straight (with the follow-on fantasy being that if he were to see you in the street he would cruise you).
[quote]I know there's some fantasy going around that "fraus" from the next cubicle at work and members of the NRA are all over DL but I think that's just a delusion to make it seem that our own small individual lives are of huge importance in the culture wars
I love the posters who talk about freeper trolls invading DL and actually getting paid to post here. LMAO. They don't even bother to visit this little gnat of a website much less get paid to post here. DL is only visited by a few hundred people a day (and that's being generous).
No. One. Cares.
"there are tons of straight DILF types who can be had. Maybe they're looking to experiment a bit."
Oh please. They're either closet cases, or screaming Marys who've found that putting the word "straight" in their personal ads gets them more dick than honesty.
Some of you seem to believe everything you read on Craigslist, but it's no more honest than any other form of advertising. Probably less.
So how do you think that the supposedly 'straight' guy's friends would categorize him if they knew he fucked around with other guys?
[quote]I know there's some fantasy going around that "fraus" from the next cubicle at work and members are all over DL
In a poll of some 600 posters around 33% identified as straight women. Whether you consider it a good or bad thing there are a lot straight women here, which shouldn't surprise anyone.
[quote]I love the posters who talk about freeper trolls invading DL and actually getting paid to post here. LMAO.
I'm not sure what you think that is unusual. There are plenty of right-wingers or people who pose as right wingers that purposely troll boards on the internet. Just like there are plenty of posters from the DL who have done the same thing to sites like freerepublic.
The DL isn't a super high traffic website no, but for internet marketing purposes it isn't completely meaningless either. I wouldn't be surprised if we had PR people that have posted here for various reasons. If you are doing a PR campaign you tend to hit as many places as you easily can.
Thanks r142 for helping me to understand what the problem is! Some of the guys here thinkg that straight woman = frau! Hm, very interesting! You know, there could be some straight women who visit this site, because, for some reason known only to them, they find it funny, interesting, like to get some gossip or think it's cool to hear what the gays are saying. This does not mean they are the fat freeper flyover frau who scoffs cakes and farts all day long in the next cubicle at work, or whatever the DL frau fantasy is. It seems - and this is not a homophobic slur! - for some gay men with little knowledge or contact with women, all women are seen as a frightening, unknown other collectively known as the "frau".
Oh, and let's not mention that this poll was hardly scientific.
As for the PR people, nah, we are not that important at all that they would give a shit about us. You really are magnifying the significance of your internet life. If you are doing a PR campaign you would focus on truly important targets, not on an anonymous forum, one of the many millions of forums on the internet. And, PR campaign tends to imply a coherent strategy with specific goals and content, not paying fat freeper fraus to furiously type away on DL and deny that hunky Hugh Jackman cannot be gay.
Is "frau" generally known as a "gay" term? Or is it a DL idiolect?
A PR person would visit here, as a novelty, to gauge a reaction from the gays and hags.
The DL probably does represent a huge segment of the gay population that is highly literate and discerning in their entertainment tastes. Also, a PR person would gain insider knowledge on how to behave around gays and what gossip is happening.
They would mostly come here to learn, not inform.
I know a 100% straight guy who is really into BBW. Meaning fatties. But he loves them! His only request is they have (in his words) a small shaved slit.
Just reporting the facts...
[quote] It seems - and this is not a homophobic slur! - for some gay men with little knowledge or contact with women, all women are seen as a frightening, unknown other collectively known as the "frau".
I don't know if I'd call it a slur but it isn't well-thought out. Use your head. We're a small segment of the population compared to straight women and to encounter you multiple times on a daily basis all we have to do is walk out the front door. We know you better than you know us.
[quote]Some random person you find ugly?
She's not a random person. She's a con-artist whose photograph was published on a news site, as already discussed on this thread.... She ripped people off posing as a diet guru. She's wide open for mockery imho.
[qupte]And then to denigrate a segment of population who hasn't done anything to you (except, of course... helping you get here)?
When people are making fun of 'fraus' they're generally making fun of conservative women. Are ALL women so special and tender to the touch that one must NEVER make fun of any member of the 'fair sex' no matter the reason? That seems rather sexist to me.
[quote]You are equal to those who denigrate the LGBT community.
Not even close. Show me the LGBTs trying to pass laws so straight women won't have the right to marry. Show me the LGBTs arguing that women shouldn't be legally equal.
A bit of harsh mockery about a con-woman's weight on the internet is NOT the same as passing laws to deprive a disfavored minority of civil rights. FAIL.
It is YOUR type of overstatement, false equivalency, and sloppy conflation of ideas which detracts from the legitimate claims of feminism. THAT is the real danger for women here imho.
'Feminism' as a movement has been hemoraging for the past 20 years: you'd be hard-pressed to find many women under 30 or 40 who will even call themselves a feminist. Wondering why?
Look in the mirror. It's just the sort of strident overstatement one sees on this thread which ruins the whole thing, making feminism's legitimate claims look suddenly untenable and the whole movement look strident, overbearing, and unreasonable.
Holy fuck. That's Ginny from Accounts Payable!
You obviously don't know straight women at all, r147, if you think I'm a straight woman! And "encountering" straight women is not the same thing as knowing them. More to the point, straight woman does not equal frau!
What is this "us you them" thing? We know "you" more than you know "us"? Jeez! But I wouldd say there is a certain type of gay men who know very little about straight women, just as there are straight women who know very little about gay men. The question is, which of these two groups is more prevalent on DL? I'd say many of on our threads are packed with gay men who are ignorant of straight women while there are probably two straight women who are ignorant of gay men on the whole of DL.
R145, a gay PR person might come here to waste time when bored at work. Although they wouldn't visit DL specifically to see what's going down amongst the trendsetters, a gay PR person who reads DL might pick up a funny idea or two in passing and possibly share it with a colleague. PR people would not come to DL specifically to run a marketing campaign, and they certainly wouldn't hire fat fraus to run it for them.
This thread has become predictably boring. The interesting part is what r49 and R148 mention.
[quote]Heidi Diaz ("Kimmer") runs an internet diet site (Kimkins)and has scammed members out of millions of dollars. She claims to have lost almost 200 pounds on her diet, and says she is now 118 pounds. Clearly, she is not. This video was filmed July 26, 2007.
[quote]We know "you" more than you know "us"
This is well-noted in many contexts: The members of a disfavored minority know more about those in the mainstream than vice versa. It's especially true of gay people, who unlike members of other minorities, are born into majoritarian (in this case "straight") families and grow up around, go to school with, work, interact etc with straight people on a daily basis.
Moreover, the disfavored, marginalized status makes the minority especially observant of the majority, and it makes the majority especially disinterested in the lives of the minority. Ergo: We know "you" more than you know "us."
Everyone is special in his or her own way.
R152's post illustrates how gay people have it so much harder than any other minority. Really.
The fact that your own family will disown you, and you may be an outcast in your own town, or have absolutley no one to relate to in your life is proof that being gay is the hardest thing of all.
I mean no disrespect to any other minorities. But I doubt that the degree of loneliness and isolation is as strong in the black, latino, and asian communities.
I have seen so many gay people, male and female, have to live in fear of being assaulted that it makes my hair stand on end. I cannot believe that it goes on in America, in the 21st century. Shameful.
It's no wonder that gays and lesbians get into drugs and alcohol but I'll say this: you are lettin gthe bastards win when you abuse yourselves. take good care of yourselves. Let that be your revenge.
I've recently been shocked by the number of "straight" men on cam4 and lpsg who are willing to Skype with me. One of them, I swear to God, is the most excitable Skype partner I've never encountered...BY FAR. He goes absolutely ape shit for my dick. His enthusiasm is an incredible turn-on. But then I'll see him on cam4 again the next day looking for females again! It's the weirdest thing. I find the human psyche absolutely fascinating when it comes to sex. There truly are all types in this world.
Alright, R148, I didn't realize it was about a con-artist, because the first 30 posts made no such reference. Thanks for pointing that out.
I'm not, however, writing about ALL women, nor about feminism. I'm not even writing about women specifically. My point is when we are mean-spirited, without cause, to ANY group, it doesn't do any good in this world. Nor does it reflect well upon us. It seems if anything, the LGBT group should be a more compassionate community because of what we endure in society. Toxic comments just feel heavy and unpleasant. It's not terribly funny. Had it been prefaced by her being a diet scammer, I could have read those initial comments with more prejudice. I love to mock assholes, but not random people just for their little flaws.
I hesitate to mention I'm not a lesbian as accused, because I don't want it to seem I'm pushing away from that unwanted label. The point is how quickly we rush to abuse each other, regardless of accuracy, and how we should rise above slurs and unkindness.
P.S. There is a line between mockery and nastiness.
[qyote] while there are probably two straight women who are ignorant of gay men on the whole of DL.
If you say so, Sweetie. You and who else?
[quote]Nor does it reflect well upon us.
Anyone who would judge all gay men based on what some DLers say on the internet is no one you would want to know, r156. Don't let it turn you into a mother hen, clucking away and tut-tutting like a school marm whenever you see behavior you don't like.
And don't use gay people's disfavored status or straight people's propensity to judge and dismiss gays. You're using it as a threat to evoke the sort of behavior you want to see.
Your plea for decency and niceness would be a lot stronger if you couched it that way, rather than as an accusation that the thread is outrageously sexist or that our straight masters would disapprove.
R154, don't go there unless you know there.
The typical Frau looks like the woman from Angie's List. Short hair, Chin length that's puffed in that back. Soft, overweight. More importantly her attitude is that she runs her world. If you're cleaning something, buying something, fixing something, going somewhere, she will voice her opinion and tell you how to do it better.
She is entitled because her marital status means she doesn't have to work but she loves the additional income. It makes her feel independent but she's not because get identity is all about her husband and kids.
This doesn't mean that all women are frauen. There are plenty of gay guys and lesbos that behave the same way. But there is an entitlement of the straight Frau who is "living the dream" that can be just annoying exactly like Angie.
Except isn't Angie a millionaire business owner. She isn't a cube frau working for spending money and living off her husband.
Can someone please define "frau" for those of us who don't know?
We get it - gay guys hate women. At least that's what people are going to say whenever they see nasty shit like this thread. I wouldd've thought that people who, as a group, have had to face adversity would be more kind.
Assholes like R164 tend to piss me off. They think that because we are an oppressed minority group, we should censor ourselves and cease to behave like human beings to make straight people happy (they aren't expected to do the same, of course). The reality, though, is that if anyone judges all gays based on what they read on the DataLounge, [bold]they were already homophobic[/bold] and not too bright, either.
But if you're going to play PR censor for the gays, you might be more concerned with all the incest threads, race baiting threads, and anti-disability threads. Or you could just mind your own fucking business.
Why not be concerned with *all* of it, R165?
Not judging "all gays" but condemning specific references to certain types of threads and posts (this is what we are talking about anyway, right?).
This is not about "making straights happy." This is affording people the same respect we expect them to give us--unless it is clear that they don't deserve consideration and/or respect.
You really can't have it both ways, you know.
[quoteunless it is clear that they don't deserve consideration and/or respect.
If they are homophobic they don't
I have asked before, and shall ask again (I haven't seen an answer yet), is "frau" a generally known gay term, or is it something made up by some DL'ers (with issues)?
It's noy a gay term
"Frau" has been around for ages and was co-opted from gay men to women who worked with gay men.
It is a great term that is not nasty and coud be used as a term of endearment. Usually it is used as a humorous description of a type of conservative, middle-of-the-road, less than stylish woman who has no artistic leanings.
Thanks, now I understand - the He Man Woman Haters Club here believes that females who look like fashion models are to be adored, and the rest are "fraus" to be rightly condemned? Goes along with the generally accepted idea that any guy with even the merest hint of a gut is a lard-assed blob.
I heard it bandied about quite a bit when I was a kid. My parents were univeristy professors and people in academic circles would use the term hausfrau to mean anti-intellectual female of a certain age and social class.
No R171. That's an incomplete description.
I had heard of "hausfrau" as well back then.
The term "frau" here seems to have taken on a severely derogatory tone, a sort of watered-down "bitch" if you will. That's the way it looks to me.
Oh PLEASE!! Gay people are an oppressed minority? They have it harder than any other minority. STFU.
You're mean, vicious, envious, and hate yourselves. You disguised as wit and bitchery. That's your oppression. Your hatred for yourselves.
Guten tag all,
Fraulein Angela Merkel here.
I'd like to clear up the matter at hand for you Americans with the less-than-stellar understanding of what it means to be a frau.
Well for one, I'm a frau. In fact, I'm the head frau. I run the frickin' EU!
I have the penultimate frau appearance, which I have cultivated since my days as a beergarten wench.
My hair, I keep very short, in the classic German "I'm not a lesbian, but I look like one" style. Hair is strictly for function and form, don't you agree?
My jeans, there are of what you call the "mom" type, comfy and not too sexy. I like to wear a belt to show off my 36-inch waist, which is slim for my countrywomen. Short sleeved blouses are in order for the day and I don't mind having full and fleshy arms-- these German arms are for doing, not talking!
Yes, I have carefully cultivated the look of lesbian but don't be confused---as a frau I am severely against gay rights and have voted against it! I lead my countrymen in all manners of morality and conviction!
I hope my advise has informed you and made you less ignorant, for your sake. if you have any other questions, email me at email@example.com
Angela Merkel here
R175 = bigot
[quote] The term "frau" here seems to have taken on a severely derogatory tone, a sort of watered-down "bitch" if you will. That's the way it looks to me.
You asked if it was a specifically gay term. It isn't . And DL doesn't represent every gay person
R176 Angela Merkel is in competition with Canadas PM Stephen Harper for being the most anti-gay national leader in the G7.
Nazi Frau more like it.
Is that you Ann Coulter at R175?