Timmy White, Boy Kidnapped With Steven Stayner, Dies
SANTA CLARITA, Calif. - Timothy White, the youngest victim and last survivor of a notorious California kidnapping saga whose rescue offered hope to parents of missing children, has died.
He was 35.
Timothy White was 5 years old when he was kidnapped in Ukiah by child molester Kenneth Parnell.
Two weeks later, fellow kidnap victim Steven Stayner, 14, fled with the boy, known as "Timmy," and hitchhiked to safety.
The dramatic story was told in the 1989 television movie, "I Know My First Name is Steven."
White's stepfather, Roger Gitlin, said White died April 1 of an apparent pulmonary embolism.
He was buried Thursday in the town of Newhall, where he had worked as a Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy.
Parnell died in prison in 2008. Stayner, who was held captive by Parnell for seven years, died in a 1989 motorcycle crash.
The kidnappings exacted a heavy toll on the Stayner family.
Stayner's brother, Cary, is in San Quentin State Prison awaiting execution for killing four women in Yosemite National Park in 1999.
His parents testified at his trial that they felt they neglected him, preoccupied with searching for Steven.
White lived with his wife, Dena, and two children.
He also is survived by his mother, father and sister.
Wow, just when I thought that it wasn''t possible for that story to get more tragic.
That''s just sad.
I sense a sequel to My Name is Steven in the offing!
When bad things happen to good people.
Chicken Soup for the Soul
Oh man, a pulmonary embolism? That guy had the worst luck in the world!\
I hope eincarnation is for real, and he gets a chance to live a happy life the next time.
Not related to this case, but new research is showing that childhood trauma is linked to disease later in life. Generally, cancers and auto-immune disorders.\
Sadly, if you don''t kill yourself or become an addict, you may have a higher risk of pretty terrible diseases. \
That really sucks.
Even creepier is that Steven Stayner''s brother is Cary Stayner, who is in prison on death row for murdering several women in Yosemite National Park in 1999.
How spaced out were the killings?
And if you''re wondering what happened to the author of "I Know My First Name Is Sreven":\
[italic]Mike Echols died in 2003 at age 58 in the Monterey County Jail in California from a pulmonary embolism. He was in jail for failing to appear in court after being charged with indecent exposure, among other crimes.
Almost 20 years apart. Steven was found and brought home in 1980.
oh and Cary''s actual crimes were committed between February and July 1999.
R11 (I think)
The curse of Steven Stayner continues. Everyone he came in contact with has died prematurely.
That whole thing is just incredibly sad.
R13, except for Kenneth Parnell.
Kenneth Parnell was only 76 when he died, dying mysteriously of "natural causes".
I know his mother and never knew about this until he died this week; the funeral procession was very long; he worked as a prison guard. Sick with a flu for a few weeks; this death came out of nowhere...
>>>>The kidnappings exacted a heavy toll on the Stayner family.\
Stayner''s brother, Cary, is in San Quentin State Prison awaiting execution for killing four women in Yosemite National Park in 1999.\
His parents testified at his trial that they felt they neglected him, preoccupied with searching for Steven.\
No, Cary stainer is a piece of fucking shit who raped and murdered several women because he wanted to, because he enjoyed it. It wasn''t because his parents neglected him. Shame on them for having the damn nerve to say that line of bullshit
So wait, the author and Timmy both died of the same thing? Now that''s eerie.\
That''s like how Evita and Peron''s first wife both died of the same disease -- uterine cancer.
Somehow I think the horrible Kevin Collins kidnapping was related to this whole tragedy.
I remember this case when it happened and was very upset when Steven was accidently killed. Now Tim is dead, too. \
Life is too cruel sometimes. God Bless them both, their families as well. :(
It''s not the curse of Steven Stayner, it''s the curse of Kenneth Parnell.
Proof that neither God nor Karma is real.
"It wasn''t because his parents neglected him. Shame on them for having the damn nerve to say that line of bullshit"\
Maybe they felt horribly guilty. Who the fuck are you to tell them otherwise?
Cary Stayner was having violent hallucinations as early as childhood. It is possible that if his parents hadn''t been so understandably preoccupied with Steven, they''d have noticed that he was seriously mentally ill and intervened much earlier on, possibly being able to prevent the murders.\
Of course no one can know for sure, but I can appreciate that they feel a lot of guilt about it, especially since they were victimized horribly themselves by Kenneth Parnell.
[quote]No, Cary stainer is a piece of fucking shit who raped and murdered several women because he wanted to, because he enjoyed it. It wasn''t because his parents neglected him. Shame on them for having the damn nerve to say that line of bullshit\
They say pedophiles have a knack for finding children who have problems at home. I think that''s why Parnell kidnapped Steven Stayner. There were problems in that family. The oldest son Cary, the one who killed those women, started pulling out his hair when he was 3 years old. Steven had not even been born yet, so tracing Cary Stayner''s problems to Steven''s kidnapping is bullshit.\
And Cary killed 6 people. His uncle Jerry was found dead of a shotgun wound when Cary was living with him and he confessed to beheading another woman, a naturalist who worked in Yosemite.
Meant to add that when Kenneth Parnell saw Steven Stayner, he saw a victim. Because of the problems at home, Steven probably had a air of uncertainty and neglect about him. Seems more likely that Cary Stayner, being on medication since age 3, was more of the center of attention in the family, and that Steven''s kidnapping was probably more a result of Cary''s problems among the family rather than Cary''s problems being the result of Steven''s kidnapping.
I live in the same area Tim did, and his mother was an acquaitance of mine. Until his death no one knew about this. It was mind blowing when it came out in our local paper after his death. Tragic...
Steven and Cary Stayner are my cousins. Our family was devastated by these tragedys. Their father just died ... with a broken heart.
We were shocked when we found out about Cary. He was always so nice, quiet and thoughtful.
Cary's father was a kind, gentle soul and loved his children with all of his heart.
The whole world grieved for the families of the victims and the whole world hated Cary, but, Cary's parents lost their son too.
There were no winners in this story.
Is it too early for a betting pool on the date of death for the mother?
I watched an hour long documentary on Cary Stayner, and this suck fuck was a het John Wayne Gacy in the making. I guaranty if he had not been caught he would have a body count similar to Gacy's.
Very sad to hear about Timmy White. RIP.
I know I read somewhere that Cary Stayner was molested by his uncle, and the uncle was thrown in jail for it. This is the same uncle that Cary decided to live with as an adult , who turned up shot to death. Has Cary ever confessed to that murder, cousin Linda?
To the person who said this
"It wasn't because his parents neglected him. Shame on them for having the damn nerve to say that line of bullshit"
Maybe they felt horribly guilty. Who the fuck are you to tell them otherwise?
by: Anonymous\treply 25\t04/10/2010 @ 12:45PM "
This is what the person said
" His parents testified at his trial that they felt they neglected him, preoccupied with searching for Steven"
The person never said his parent's neglected him said. They
said the parent's themselve's said they felt they neglected him.
So shame on you for accusing them of saying something they didn't say. Who the fuck are you to call them out for something they didn't even say?
I met Steve Shatner the year before he was killed. He worked as a security guard at a burger king next to Merced High School. He was a really nice guy and enjoyed talking with my friends and I when we were bored. He was a victim of a hit and run accident while riding his motorcycle.... The jerk that hit him was an illegal immigrant and ran straight to Mexico to avoid prosecution. His family has been through so much..I hope they're doing good......B.K.
Childhood trauma ruins you.
The man said he kidnapped Steven to get him away from those horrible parents. He was right.
The parents were the demons in this saga.
pulmonary embolism in someone that young is from one thing. Drug use.
Cary Stayner was one hot killer. Of course prison has made him old and fat but when he was drawing blood he was hot!
I balled my eyes out watching this movie many years ago. It was so weird, it was a really well done TV movie that was incredibly affecting. I rarely cry because of a movie but there was something so sad about this case.
r17, there is no such thing as "only" 76.
[quote]I balled my eyes out watching this movie many years ago.
I was 14 or 15 when that TV movie came out and I agree with another poster, it was well done. Lifetime and LMN used to re air it a lot years ago.
R19, yeah, even Cary himself claimed after his arrest that he had fantasized about murdering women since he was seven years old, long before the abduction of his brother.
I didn't realize Steven died just four months after the movie aired. That must've been weird.
[quote]Cary himself claimed after his arrest that he had fantasized about murdering women since he was seven years old, long before the abduction of his brother
Of course he did he was trying to save himself by claiming he was a child and mentally ill.
It was the parents that fucked this family up. Steven repeat said, his parents were weirdos. He was glad to get out of the house, that's why he barely questioned the guy who took him.
The guy who took him was the real hero.
[quote]The guy who took him was the real hero.
Only on DL would a child molester be a hero.
Steven himself said after he dropped little Timmy off, he planned to return. It wasn't like you make out. The kidnapper did bad by taking him but Steven wouldn't have made it past 10 with those awful parents he had.
It shows that this Timmy who obviously was doing drugs hard core to die of such a thing so early, was also being "saved" by this guy from horrible parents.
[R48] [R51] You're a sick fucking pig and probably a pedo yourself. Get help now before you ruin more lives.
I had a pulmonary embolism - that nearly killed me - at age 31. I've never done recreational drugs and have never smoked. I'm fit and lean and also don't drink. Sometimes it's just genetics.
R41 you balled your eyes out watching this movie many years ago because you have a heart.
Steve Stayner's case is one of the reasons parents of missing children hold on to (mostly) false hope that their child will be found alive someday.
ummmm, bawled r54. Dope.
R38, r48, r51= pedophiles
really explained it. Steven had wanted a dog. The very first morning after his "initiation" to sexual abuse,
Parnell woke him up with a stray dog.
R54, there is no such thing as "balling your eyes out," unless you gouge them out with a melon baller. It's "bawling" for crying, "ball" is a child's bouncing toy. And to the earlier poster, there is no such thing as "themselve's." If you're using a plural, there is no apostrophe. That really bothers people, because anyone over eight or nine should know this and watching people add one apostrophe after another in places where they are completely inappropriate and never used in any context, like "themselves," is really distracting and irritating. Older people cannot figure out how the hell you got through college without knowing how to read and write.
I'm not trying to be offensive, it's just so incredibly illiterate nobody can understand why suddenly thousands of people can't write English. This all became a fad over just a decade or two, before that almost every American knew never to do this, it was just a given.
By no means does that mean anybody is ridiculing a person for being sad, the ridicule was for using the spelling of an elementary school age child that would have been ridiculed by the fourth or fifth grade. I'm not whoever originally complained about this, it bothers me too. You just can't understand how stupid and illiterate this looks to most people. Please fix it because you are saying something really bad about yourself when you don't know the difference. I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm saying it to help you. No employer wants to see this, ever.
Sorry for the run-on sentences above, I'm sick and on meds that are putting me to sleep.
It's really common for pedophiles to deliberately look for children from broken homes. If offering a child a toy or pet means they have a sex toy to rape at will, they're going to do that. A child is innocent and doesn't understand they're being manipulated. If Steven became attached to his kidnapper, it could well be because the kidnapper manipulated him to believe he was more loved and appreciated by the kidnapper than he was at home. That doesn't mean the kidnapper wasn't an opportunistic, manipulative rapist, cynically lying to an innocent child. It just means the kidnapper knew what to say to keep him from running away.
It's common for kidnapped children to be told their parents didn't love them and gave them away to the kidnapper, or the kidnapper is a good guy saving them from bad parents. That doesn't make the kidnapper a saint. Bad parents and kidnappers are both bad things. It's sad when those are the only two choices a child has.
Somebody on this thread is too pro-kidnapper. Nothing the Stayners did as parents justifies what Steven went through at the hands of a child rapist.
Part of my post was deleted. The TV movie didn't go into the issues Steven had with his family.
When he returned after a wild upbringing, drinking and smoking to deal with his situation, his parents responded like he was the same little boy that had been stolen from them.
[quote]"It wasn't because his parents neglected him. Shame on them for having the damn nerve to say that line of bullshit"
Yeah, what a bag of bullshit. I know plenty of people whose parents neglected them, and they're lovely people. What does wanting to murder women have to do with that.
[quote]Stayner claimed after his arrest that he had fantasized about murdering women since he was seven years old, long before the abduction of his brother
Did Steven keep up the butt secks after being returned to his parents?
Is it common to bawl when you are balled?
R63, According to the TV movie he quickly found a steady girlfriend.
Do we know much about Timmy's life with his family after he was saved?
I regularly drive past the property where these boys were kept. It has a breathtaking view of the valley - the first time I saw it I had to pull over and take it in.
The house is still off the grid, and for many years has been the home of the prior postmistress of our small town.
It's a winding 10 miles to the nearest anything.
"Kenneth Parnell was only 76 when he died, dying mysteriously of "natural causes"
"Only 76?" I guess you're joking...feebly. At any rate, he lived 76 years too long. The guy was a sick, sick bastard who liked sex with little boys. Why in hell wasn't he thrown in jail for life after Steven Stayner finally fled his clutches with the next little boy victim in tow? That fucking freak deserved the death penalty.
Deserved the death penalty? Funny no one ever says that about men who rape females
R69 lots of people say that men who rape little girls should be killed. Child rapist are considered the bottom of the barrel by most of western civalization.
r70, people defended the Steubenville rapists. People consider child molesters who touch boys to be "the bottom of the barrel" because they think the worst thing that can happen to a male is to be touched by another male sexually
That's why we have "gay panic" defenses but not the reverse. Even the most misogynistic gay man would not kill a woman who hit on him.
R59, your post about grammar made me laugh out loud, with appreciation.
John Walsh got a great career out of his wife leaving their kid in Sears so she could go fuck her lover out in the parking lot.
R71 the Stubenville victim wasn't 7. There were men on this sight mocking a male victim of rape. It was some guy pissing outside at some festival who got attacked by a man or men. People view child rape as worse than teen on teen or adult on adult.
Thanks R72! It just drives me crazy when I see this wildly incorrect spelling. Unfortunately, people get so sarcastic and mean about it, the people that are erring discount the correction as mean spirited, instead of simply learning from the criticism and correcting their spelling.
Correct, R57. Pedophiles think, or think they can convince others, that they are helping the child in some way.
It's creepy that there are like-minded types on here.
With all the nonsense going on in the world, nothing gets my blood boiling more than child abuse.