So is it a classic or is it something you probably won''t bother watching ever again?
Lots of it are classic TV but there is a lot of crap in there too.
Any of the parts where Justin gets it in the ass, that''s classic!
It''s a soft-core porn soap opera with the "gay issue du jour" shoehorned in with a sledgehammer. So whatever value it has begins and end there.\
I gave up after season 2.
Me too, silly tripe. the British drama was cutting-edge for its time but not now.
I will watch my favorite episodes and seasons again and again. The show was, is and always will be entertaining to me.
I just tried watching it for the first time and gave up halfway through the first season.
The UK version was a poor drama series that had a greater cultural and social than it deserved. It was important television, but I''d maintain that it was never particularly good television.\
The US version slowly morphed from being a drama series into a soap opera and became all that pertains to being one. With that said, in the long run it became an important and perhaps quite a vital and adult soap opera for a specific community.
I watched the first time around and it was a little painful. It got a little tiring watching them cram every gay cliche wrapped in the, as R4 says, "gay issue du jour".
Still has the hottest gay sex scenes to ever appear on TV. That itself was a bit of of a statement -- moved the ball forward and took some of the "shock" out of same-sex sex scenes in American soap operas.\
But as a quality show? No, it won''t be remembered.
The UK version is amazing.\
The US version is an unwatchable disaster.
Season One was great. After that, uh, not so much. At least Dante''s Cove was all about sex all the time.
Probably, never watch it again. But, it was still a great show.
A footnote in television history. Except Sharon Gless, who was ridiculous.
I saw Randy Harrison yesterday on Bedford Ave. in Williamsburg. He''s tiny!
I really like QAF until the last season and that''s when it jumped the shark for me.
Ten years later? Didn''t Queer As Folk premiere in 1998/9?
I watched the first season of the British version and liked it.\
When the American version appeared, I don''t think I got to the third episode.\
The writing was insulting, and the acting was worse.
I remember thinking the US producers had gotten it wrong with the scene where American Stuart pours the water over his head in the first episode. In the remake, it was played as soft porn, complete with jock strap (who wears a jock strap outside of sport?), whereas in the original it was played as slightly unsettling. There was an element of threat to Aidan Gillen''s performance. It wasn''t an "I am SO sexy" moment.\
And it''s very telling that Gillen went on to do The Wire, while the other guy went on to do Desperate Housewives.
Speaking of Dante''s Cove, will it be back?
It was retarded when it was on, and has only gotten more so with age - but now I just put in on the shelf with Valley of the Dolls and forget about it.
r20, Here TV, which makes Dante''s Cove, is teetering on bankruptcy. It''s not likely there will be any more of that show anytime soon.\
And the UK version of QAF is wonderful. The American version, even the first season, which used the UK scripts for the first episodes, was Amateur Hour all around.
On threads like this one, most comments will be negative. That''s the nature of DataLounge and our community in general. We possess a high percentage of damaged gay men and nothing portraying our lives will please many. We are a marginalized group and therefore have a great deal of contempt for ourselves and place in society overall. Even QAF''s depiction of gay life, as accurate as most parts were, couldn''t paint a pretty scene in many instances. \
Minorities seldom like screen generated depictions of their daily lives. Even those who have been romantically and/or financially successful, remain locked in our ghetto.
R23, shut the fuck up with your ridiculous sweeping statements of an entire cross-section of people. We have to be "damaged" because we don''t like this ridiculously written show? You are a nightmare.
R23 = there''s nothing in QAF that was remotely like my daily life. And I''ll bet plenty of other people would say the same.\
And let''s face it - has ANYONE ever seen a backroom in a bar like the one in this show?\
I think YOU need to get out of the ghetto because QAF never did.
Oh, puh-leeze, R23! So the entire community is "damaged" with "contempt" for ourselves, because we do not recognize the brilliance of QAF?\
b) Randy Harrison; or\
c) the most pathetic poster ever in the history of DL, and that''s really saying something
By the fifth season, you couldn''t pay me to watch it.
Who has the time or energy to work, workout, and then go to clubs every night???
I agree with you r23, sage dixit.
I always felt QAF USA presents gay life how fraus are imagine it. No wonder most fans are women.
I never watched it in the first place.\
And no, it''s not a classic. Unless you''re a moron with no taste.
R23, did you ever stop to think that maybe it''s just a really crappy show?
r17, it premiered on December 3, 2000 in the US and January 22, 2001 in Canada.
I hate when gay men get all up in arms over the fact that this show portrayed them as over sexed, drug using, club hoppers. \
Especially when it clearly states in the disclaimer at the end of every episode that this show was NOT meant to represent the lives of ALL gay men and women.
There were no people of color featured in a major American city. And yes - I''ve been Pittsburgh many times and there is a large black and hispanic population. It was ridiculous and I will never forgive them.
QAF was on a par with Hairspray for those who didn''t live in a gay ghetto. There were a lot of people who lived as the characters did in Baltimore/Hairspray, but there were even more that didn''t. Same for QAF. \
I always thought the depictions of gay bars was spot on in QAF, and even in Baltimore, we had and still do have gay bars with back rooms like the one in QAF, but a lot of local people who don''t go to these places still don''t know they exist. \
Describing us as damaged goods needs the perspective that all minorities are damaged goods because of the way the majority treats us. But, it doesn''t make many us any happier to have mirror held to our faces in the way of a TV program. It may be reality for those of us in cities with big gay populations, but it isn''t always flattering.
If I remember correctly, the writers for "Queer As White Folk" (as my college buds used to call it) responded to the racism accusations by claiming that QAWF took place in "mythical Pittsburgh." Apparently, gay POCs don''t exist in that magical place (except for the occasional orgy scene).\
R23 is probably one of the fraus who fapped to the sex scenes, then wrote fanfic about it. I swear, the only people who actually liked that show were middle aged women.
I watched the first three seasons. It was good and groundbreaking. I don''t think I''d watch it again though, for the same reason I wouldn''t watch old Dynasty or Melrose Place seasons.\
I wish they would come out with another good gay series.\
I''m so tired of the queens who didn''t like it because it didn''t represent us well, or represent them at all. Dallas didn''t represent all straight people but you don''t see them get out of shape about that.
[quote]The American version, even the first season, which used the UK scripts for the first episodes, was Amateur Hour all around.\
Sharon Gless is an Emmy winning actress. There was some good acting in that show from multiple people, however you have to consider that puritan America was probably hesitant about funding a show like QAF, so it was never going to be some big blockbuster production. I think it did great all things considered.
[quote]I''m so tired of the queens who didn''t like it because it didn''t represent us well, or represent them at all.\
What about those of us who didn''t like it because it was just an abyssmally bad show? Bad acting, writing, directing...you name it. It''s just a laughably awful show, really poor-quality dreck. It boggles the mind that anyone would defend it, let alone claim that they liked it.
[quote]And let''s face it - has ANYONE ever seen a backroom in a bar like the one in this show?\
In Europe, yes. In NYC, yes (though not so much today). In the Rust Belt, no.\
Agreed with R11. UK version was brilliant; the US version was shit. I knew for certain it would never live up to its British predecessor as soon as the producers wussed out and didn''t have Ted die of his drug overdose in the fourth or fifth ep, as his Brit counterpart did. I gave up entirely after season two.
But look at how they even DRESSED Sharon Gless and gave her that hideous red wig. She looked ridiculous.
Speaking of groundbreaking gay TV, they really should finish making Tales Of The City, or at least make Michael Tolliver Lives before Olympia Dukakis pops her clogs. And bring back Marcus D''Amico!
I didn''t take to the US version, though I only caught about 3 episodes. After the UK version, it seemed too unrealistic, and Sharon Gless annoyed me (though I love her in other stuff).\
The storyline that I always remember is when one of the friends collapse from an overdose, and the seedy trick just leaves him to die. The next day Stuart and Vince go to his house, and ''de-gay'' it before the friend''s mother arrived.
There were and remain backrooms like the one depicted on QAF in Chicago, St. Louis, Omaha and DesMoines. I don''t know how much more, "fly over" you can get than these bergs.
R23/36/46 is determined to defend her abyssmal little show to the death, apparently.
How tiny was he and was he alone?
It's funny, there are some on here who think they are just "all that" and watching a show like this is just beneath them.
Just because it has a gay theme doesn't make it good, or even noteworthy for that matter! There was absolutely NOTHING remarkable about this piece of shit show.
I watched it once, just to see what the fuss was all about. Giant meh. Kind of predictable, kind of schmaltzy. It wasn't terrible, but it certainly was not something I would make a point of following.
Dante Cove was a poor excuse for a Gay show. The acting is wooden. Let's forgotten it.
I feel you are spot on.
I frequently play random episodes as *background noise*. I feel like I'm among old friends.
Ditto "Boys In The Band."
I've been watching the first season of QAF on Netflix these past few days. I've always liked the show and still love it. It's not the best tv show in the world but I seriously respect the show for being so unapologetic about all things gay. I like the UK version, too, but US version ran so long that its characters ended up becoming much more familiar.
I still like all the main characters but still don't care that much about Justin a.k.a Randy Harrison. I mean I don't hate him but Charlie Hunnam was so fresh and vibrant in the UK version that Randy just doesn't really have any chances against him.
After watching 6 episodes I'm seriously in love with Hal Spark's Michael again. He's just perfect in his role. Yummy.
I absolutely hated this dreck when it first aired. Just cringe-inducing. I will never understand its defenders.
I can't imagine it's aged well.
[quote]The show was, is and always will be entertaining to me.
Loved Brian and Justin as a couple, and the sex scenes. Hated the uptight lesbian couple and Brian on his own.
R55, I'm always interested to hear from people who hate QAF that which (gay) films & tv shows do they like. So tell me, if QAF is dreck and cringe-inducing what are the tv shows that you think highly of?
Whenever there's talk about QAF there are people appearing who absolutely hated it. I mean I get it, you don't like the show, but I don't quite understand that what on Earth were you expecting QAF to be?
To me it's one tv show, a fictional tv-show. I'm always hearing the haters saying that "QAF doesn't represent the real gay world", well so what? It's not a documentary. I must admit, though, that most of the things in the show are happening in the real world, too. But mostly QAF is pretty light-hearted gay fiction but which also deals with many hard issues from the real life, like homophobia and coming out.
It's like many gay people are ashamed of QAF. I'm personally feeling pretty proud watching it.
For the most part, I'm with you.
I get the impression a few people have posted on this thread repeatedly.
I am a tragic gay Cassandra, doomed to tell harsh truths to an unheeding gay subculture!
It was evocative to me of a very specific part of my life. In some ways, it was quite accurate.
I can't imagine why anyone who had not gone through a phase like that would have any interesting in watching the show.
I can't imagine anyone who had gone through that phase would not find it kind of pedestrian.
Not to deny it it's proper kudos. On numerous occasions, it was not stupid.
I can't imagine how someone could not have posted so many double negatives in one post.
Because it's obvious your not imagining isn't something you couldn't not do.
I just rematches it on Netflix steaming.
It's very dated, comes across as very preachy and totally unrealistic.
For some reason the show has been on my mind lately. Haven't watched a full episode in years but watched the first run between 2000-05. I enjoyed it. It was entertaining but I took it for what it was. Wasn't intended to be the bible of gay life although it did hit on gay issues reasonably well. Always thought the show could've been better it was more dramatic and less comedic. I remember when Brian gets cancer. Would've been really startling to see Brian lose his hair and looks but they glossed over it. And when Ted started the porn company. That was silly. And to have Justin keep coming back to Brian year after year didn't make sense. Why do people say the uk version was better. It was ok but I prefer the u.s. Version. Didn't Brian and Michael take off on the run from the law in the u.k version? Can't remember what they did but I thought was idiotic to end it that way.
Just because you expressed yourself so poorly at r61 is no reason to be so hostile, r63.
I'm a pauper, so I can't start a new thread for this, but perhaps one of the paying members would care to. Russel T. Davies, creator of the original UK QAF and the man behind the reboot of DR. WHO has a new trio of shows on Channel 4 in the UK in which the lives of multi-generational Mancurian gays (and a few lesbians) intersect. Interesting idea and it's always nice to see gay characters outside of a heteronormative context. CUCUMBER focuses on eldergays in their 50s going through various stages of mid-life crisis and features a central protagonist who is a bitter, sexless, horribly off-putting asshole. So, you know, the average DLer. I kid, I kid. BANANA focuses on younger gays, but also features appearances by some of the central characters from CUCUMBER. TOFU is just an online only curiosity in which the actors and regular people talk about their sexual experiences.
If you were a fan of the original QAF, you may enjoy them. I wasn't. I don't think Davies can really write remotely believable dialog. He can write funny scenes - there are several of them - but it doesn't really add up to much. It's not terribly sophisticated. If you're a fan of soap operas or the the kind of stuff that ABC programs for housewives in Primetime, you might enjoy the shows as well. Will say, BANANA is a lot better than CUCUMBER because it focuses on eminently more likeable and interesting characters and has a lighter, defter touch. Trailer at the link. US ppl can watch online at 40D (Channel 4 On Demand) by installing the free "HOLA" extension on Chrome or Firefox.