He produces a ton of cable sitcoms and has those godawful movies. Where did he come from, and why does he have such staying power? Is he that good? Am I missing something?
The only thing I know about him is he came from a very abusive home and really turned his life around. I don''t like his "shows" but he seems like an upstanding guy.
I think he made some sort of deal with the devil to be famous honestly. His movies suck, his acting sucks and Madea is so fucking god-awful words can''t describe it.
It''s a black thang...
R2 Pat Robinson is that you?
A vacant market. No one else is making middle of the road entertainment specifically targeted at a black audience. Spike Lee is too much of a firebrand and hip hop and rap with some exceptions are too ghetto.
I don''t like his movies but also don''t think his making it big directing fluff is any different (or worse) than Michael Bay''s success doing the exact same thing. Or Joel Schumacher''s. Bottom line, there are plenty of directors in Hollywood whose work is basically crap but no one begrudges them their success, so why begrudge Tyler Perry?\
He''s not getting my money but more power to him.
Oh dear. Is it time for another Tyler Perry thread? \
He makes movies and TV for black audiences because no one else wants to risk it, and they dont know how to do it. He also gives jobs to black actors that have been forsaken by Hollywood. That is why he is so successful.
His bald painted head is disasterous.
[quote]I don''t like his "shows" but he seems like an upstanding guy.\
Surely he has nothing to hide.
He couldn''t be more guy is had two dicks up his ass and puked rainbows!
Thoughtful response R6 and spot on. \
Non-offensive black middle class dramedy.
It is depressing that so many talented black actors end up in his shitty films because they can''t get work elsewhere. \
That''s what angers me more than how bad his movies are. Sure, he''s really no worse than Michael Bay, but talented white actors aren''t shuffled into Bay''s projects because its the only opportunity they have to work.\
Also, I''m pretty sure that I could write a Tyler Perry screenplay in a weekend. They are all basically the same story of a damaged black woman healing herself by submitting to church culture and the will of a god-fearing black man. Throw in a salacious exploration of a history of abuse, incest or rape and add a college-educated black villainess, and boom, you got yourself a Tyler Perry movie.
Why doesn''t a gay entertainer start a gay studio producing mainstream movies with only gay actors and gay stories? Almost all gay themed movies are art house movies. We need our own studio to give Rupert Everett an acting job.
"We need our own studio to give Rupert Everett an acting job."\
I thought he had one: being Rupert Everett.
What mystifies me is how he isn''t regarded as a drag queen. I mean, isn''t that what he is? It sure ain''t performance art.
I''m caucasian and I really enjoyed the stage show Madea Goes to Jail. It meandered quite a bit - but it was fun. The films, well, just boring.I''d rather see his dumb domestic comedies than all those homophobic geek and frat boy movies.
Don''t hate because he''s actually allowing black actors to work.
It never fails to amaze me when the bitter queens full of queer envy come out with their bile about some people who''ve done nothing to warrant such hate. You may hate Tyler Perry''s TV shows, and you may hate his movies, but the man has put lots of people to work at his huge Atlanta studio complex. If you don''t like his product then you certainly aren''t required to watch any of it. \
I''ll bet if you haters were unemployed and he offered you a steady, well paying job you two faced hypocrites would be singing his praises from on high.
he was on Oprah last week\
she supports him cause he''s black - there could be no other reason since his movies are atrocious -\
he''s genius though - his movies target fat black single women who think they may possibly have a chance with beautiful buff men -- who in real life are all gay\
he must have channeled his desires and projected them onto women\
oprah disgusts me - regardless of the quality of the work if they''re black she supports them without question. I remember when she had Michael Jordan on just so he could shill his new sportswear line - yea he played basketball but he''s a gambler and a cheater but that''s ok - but she''s going to hold authors who fabricate stories to a different standard
You sound a little bitter, R19. Maybe you''re the one doing the "projecting."
r18 where is the OP''s bitterness? OP simply asked what the big deal is about someone with nominal talent who has achieved such praise and fame for putting out pathetic movies and tv shows\
great he employs people so does taco bell but i don''t eat there
Only one thing. He produced Precious.\
He''s also a not bad drag comedian (I would certainly not call him wonderfully, merely ok), but the material he writes for that character is horrendous. It''s amazing to me that this guy''s writing and direction is so successfl.
I''m more or less with R6 on this.\
While I''ve never seen any of his movies, he seems like a nice enough guy in interviews.
anon, eat shit and die.
As far as Tyler, he offers something to an audience that no one thought enough of to target. And, it paid off.
Tyler markets (or use to anyway) to the lonely, mostly belittled and dejected church going working class probably over-weight definitely under-appreciated 30, 40 50 something black female.
Tyler started out on the local inner city church play circuit. His plays gave voice to the frustration of a certain demographic black woman who faces the glaring facts that Americans think she is ugly, undesirable and unmarriable. Her social network consists mostly of church activities where there is a well publicized lack of available black straight men. That society is mostly matriarchal where the attention is given largely to women who can sing (choir stars) and women who can broker their will on the pastor (Madea types). These women have few advocates and even fewer admirers. Mostly fatherless, mostly without husbands, and mostly without a positive self image, they rely on outrageous behaviors, being loud, and being 'ghetto divas' and being 'loved by Jesus' to compensate. On the other hand, these are the women who also work three jobs (they are not the welfare class), raise the children, nurture the drug addicted in their community, feed the homeless, care for the sick, and love and support their 'men' who make it very clear that these women do not and never will be the object of their desire.
Tyler gave them attention, and a face, and unbelievable to mostly white queens, respect. He wrapped it in humor they could understand because it was about their point of view, not the black males, not the white sociologists, not the welfare or gang or drug addict or hip hop point of view, but theirs. These women are not interested in cutting edge social commentary about why men think they are ugly, nasty language, rape murder and abuse stories without happy endings. They know all too well of that in real life. They wanted to see what was possible hope in their lives portrayed on the screen: family, church, picnics, barber shop/hair salon banter, black on black love stories, and someone who could be their hero and save the day. (Madea)
It paid off, in millions. Whites had no idea of Tyler when he was limited to that circuit though his success was phenomenal even then. The black community knew, however.
Tyler is now attempting to expand his 'message' into that of the black middle class using white distribution methods, where I think he stumbles horribly because it is not his background. Now whites either want in on the money or commentary. It is you who is late to the party. Blacks have been discussing Tyler for a very long time.
Is it true about him and Tavis Smiley?
My black best friend turned me onto Medea, and I loved Medea.\
Then my black friend turned into a raging bitch and stabbed me in the back. We''re no longer friends. \
But I still love Medea.
That''s where I''m at in all of this
I hope he becomes rich, famous, and powerful beyond imagination just because it will make Spike Lee''s head explode.\
As far as I know I''ve only seen one of his movies, and it was some fluff about married couples spending a weekend together. It wasn''t anything special, but you could have recast it with Jennifer Aniston and an all white cast and no one would have blinked.
[quote] Tyler markets (or use to anyway) to the lonely, mostly belittled and dejected church going working class probably over-weight definitely under-appreciated 30, 40 50 something black female.\
Uh, didn''t they help push Proposition 8 to victory in California?
Was thinking about this, and from the responses, it looks like his stuff is channeled to the same audience that watches soap operas...just some very low-brow content for unattractive women who fantasize about the hot, handsome knight in shining armour sweeping in and rescuing them from their miserable lives.
You guys are a little funny to think that his comedy only appeals to fat women. That''s a little ridiculous.
r28, I have no idea what point you are making. Tyler marketing to black females of that demographic was the reason Prop 8 was victorious? OKAAAY.
[quote] hope he becomes rich, famous, and powerful beyond imagination just because it will make Spike Lee's head explode.
Do some research on Tyler. He has been a millionaire famous and powerful for a very long time. White Americans seem to think only that which markets to them is rich famous and powerful.
[quote] know I've only seen one of his movies
And therein lies the problem with most of you. Tyler has a history that spans over twenty years of influence, power and success in the black community. His current work is not necessarily reflective of his work that made him a phenomenon. But you don't know that because most of you have no real connection to the black community. And, that has more of a cause and affect reason for Prop 8. White gay men are VERY isolated and very elitist by choice. The fact that you think Tyler is 'new' is almost pathetic.
[quote]Was thinking about this, and from the responses, it looks like his stuff is channeled to the same audience that watches soap operas...just some very low-brow content for unattractive women who fantasize about the hot, handsome knight in shining armour sweeping in and rescuing them from their miserable lives.\
As a gay guy, R24, I''m used to being devalued by society and also have to deal with the fact that I have a greatly reduced dating pool and much slimmer chances of ending up married. I would, however, greatly resent if some filmmaker got filthy rich by churning out a bunch of pandering wish-fulfillment garbage under the pretense of giving me a voice.
R33, I take it you have actually seen all of the movies?
I haven''t seen them all, but I have seen Madea''s Family Reunion, Madea goes to Jail ( I''ll see Viola Davis is pretty much anything), I Can Do Bad All By Myself, and Why Did I Get Married?
r33, let me introduce you to Queer as Folk.
Also, I somewhat agree with you, as do many in the black community. As I have stated, the analysis of the Tyler affect has been subjected to much print and discussion in the black community. Tyler's plays were seen by many in the black middle class, black academia and black artistic circles as being demeaning, and quick fixes. Yet, they thrived paving the way for Tyler to be more mainstream. If anything, white society will reward anyone who makes money.
Again, this is nothing new. Tyler speaks to a simplistic resolution to very complex social problems and powerlessness and hopeless struggles of a certain demographic using stereotypes to propel the message. The stereotypes are what give his work a broader appeal (license to laugh at the silly negroes) while the simplistic solutions market to a core demographic who are for the most part resolved to their own poor image.
Now white gays want in own the discussion to further the simplistic answer to a complicated set of social persistent issues while remaining aloof, condescending and elitist. Your problem is, you can keep your self serving sense of superiority or you can make an effort to connect and communicate with those you find unfuckable and gain acceptance and understanding. Your decision. But you will not have both.
OP, i wonder the same thing about Tyler Perry, he''s ridiculous and makes ridiculous movies. He''s like another P. Diddy who will venture into some other money making business and change also his name to be relevant.
R33 Sex and the City would have us believe that middle age white women can get hot men. What exactly is your point?
I think a lot of you are trying to explain what Perry does in a far too difficult manner. The man simply is doing what he knows best. He built the Madea character on someone from his own family and turned it into a brand of sorts. It''s worked well for him, he''s smart enough to know what he does best and that''s exactly what he does. He does not pretend to be C. B. DeMille or L. B. Mayer. \
Many people enjoy his movies, apparently some don''t. That''s life in the movie business. I seriously doubt he cares because it appears that enough enjoy them to have enabled him to become extremely successful at it.\
But leave it up to some queens on a chat board to do everything in their power to belittle and denigrate the man either because he doesn''t cater to their personal tastes or because of intense jealousy (and I''m sure in some cases intense racism).\
But look at it this way. Tyler Perry is laughing all the way to the bank, and very likely most of the hate mongers here aren''t.
It''s "*crying* all the way to the bank" but that''s OK.
R12 nailed it. Unfortunately, Tyler is about the only one making mainstream movies and television marketed to mainstream African-Americans. That says a lot more about TV and movie execs that it does about Tyler Perry.\
His product sort of reminds me of all those crap-ass gay movies that get made. Yea, its nice to see, but I wish they were a lot better.
Well r39, I agree, that, too.\
I was attempting to have a real discussion about the success of a man that many find uses denigrating material to foster his success.\
I think also, Tyler has no real talent for insight but because he has been so very successful for so very long, people like Oprah want to make him more of a talent than he really is. As I stated before, Tyler is now expanding into more of a mainstream presence and his lack of real artistic ability is becoming more and more evident.\
But the women who identify with the Jill Scott character in his movies (his original target demographic) will remain loyal to Tyler. If anything, he does tell their story.\
My question to white gay men, wouldn''t it be more beneficial for you to connect with this woman since you have identified her as the ''enemy'' but have also identified her as being reflective of your own social positioning. Seems the two of you have much in common.
I don''t think it''s even "mainstream AAs." No one I know sees his movies or much appreciates that type of humor.
[quote] oprah disgusts me - regardless of the quality of the work if they''re black she supports them without question.\
Oh PUH-LEEZE! There are plenty of white losers Oprah has on her show and she doesn''t ask them, "How come people admire you so much? You''re just a celebrity." \
Anjelina Jolie comes to mind. Oprah should be saying, "Girl, you run around scooping up other people''s babies and you ALWAYS make sure there are cameramen there to record it. You stole another man''s wife and you have abso-fucking-lutely no qualifications to be working with the UN while thousands of educated public health professionals could only dream of getting a UN gig. What''s up with that?"
So what if Oprah supports him, white Hollywood certainly won''t. Stop hating queens, you don''t enjoy his films don''t watch it. He went through shit to reach where he is, wtf have the haters done? Some of you people are pitiful.
R36, word on the Queer as Folk front. Blech.
I'm not contemptuous of black women and the issues they face. What I want for them is what I want for all minorities (in terms of art), which is more and "better" artistic and cultural products geared towards them. Art has the power to spark connection and communication between seemingly disparate groups. Precious, proof in my head that Perry can at the very least throw his name and money behind worthwhile projects, resonated so strongly with all sorts of people because it didn't shy away from its subject matter (somewhat operatic though it was) and more boldly didn't shy away from the fact that there aren't really any simple resolutions when it comes to the persistent ache caused by the institutionalized racism and misogyny in our society.
While I can appreciate the sense of affirmation that working class black women get from Tyler Perry movies, I agree with you, the movies ultimately don't address the actual systems of power that make the female characters (and the female audience members) marginalized and unhappy in the first place. Furthermore, as Perry becomes more mainstream, I predict he'll turn his eye more and more towards more crossover-friendly buppie subjects, confident in the knowledge that his core constituency is so starved for representations of black women and black romance that they'll come regardless of the fact that what's going onscreen bares increasingly little resemblance to their own lives.
I agree that white gays need to be actively developing relationships with other minority groups. I have hope for relations between white gay men and black women know a lot about what it means to be "other" in America, I mean we must have stolen all their slang for a reason right? I think both groups would be better served, however, by artistic and cultural representations that don't rely on knights in shining armor, self-ghettoization, the vilification of members of other groups (was there ever a nice straight person on Queer As Folk?), and having the church and the gay bar serve as the "salvation" agent for the community.
R44 Don''t forget Tom Cruise. I didn''t know Tom Cruise was black. He really *is* good at hiding, isn''t he?
I''m with whoever posted about Spike Lee''s head exploding.\
Perry hires black performers, gives them documentation of their skill and work, and employs black craft and below-the-line staff as well; that''s wonderful. But he seems to think he has a monopoly on employment of African-American motion picture and tv professionals. He may be right. When he opened his studio in Atlanta and heard his TV series writers were planning to join the Writer''s Guild, he threatened to fire them. \
A new black producer, preferably several, is needed to provide more opportunities for black performers and crew and dilute Perry''s control of employment for them.\
Also -- he only invested in "Precious" because Winfrey leaned on him.
I pretty much agree with everything you have said r46.\
However, in an industry that is relying more and more on fantasy vs art and a society that is dependent more and more on jobs any job vs career and love of ''calling'', the answers will not, more than likely, emanate from ''artistic and cultural representations'', unfortunately. They each have long been usurped by the very machinations they are historically in place to criticize. Tyler is someone who has a GED for god''s sake. And, Bieber is the new '' it'' guy. Bush was president and Palin is a leader in political discourse. The age of enlightenment is over and not just for the black female.\
We are left with passing each other by on the street, the internet and brief encounters at work and school. Those are the sites of engagement.\
I''m engaging, such as it is.
Tyler Perry might be a cross dressing opportunist who will do anything to be famous but might have bedded all the gorgeous black actors around like Shemar Moore and enjoying every minute of whatever is left of his 60 mins\
Is he gay or straight? He doesn''t ping for me. Seriously.
My sister recommends his films...she thinks they are funny. So, that''s why he is working, some people really like his comedy.
I watched the original "Why Did I Get Married" on cable over the weekend, and it was a total piece of shit. The only saving graces were Michael Jai White and Lamann Rucker. Damn, those men are FINE. There''s one scene with with White in boxers, and his bulge is just tremendous. I could stare at him for hours.
of course there''s always some good looking black meat in his films... i wonder how they audition for their roles.
i watch House of Payne. Their son is HOT!
R46 you are writing what you want for Perry''s audience. How about what they want for themselves? Maybe they want inane comedic relief as a brief respite from their everyday life. Maybe that is more important to them than seeing their suffering used as an art form to connect them to others.
You beat me to it R55. His shit is crap but when surfing at commercial time I''ll pause at this if they are showing the son. Hot as fuck. But my God the show sucks Don Rickles'' ass.
Kudos that he is reaching to the MOR African American public. No praise for him now that he has some funds that he is not making better quality vehicles. Best thing he did was to back Precious. Time for him to start backing other dood projects and put Medea and company down. Time for him to come out, too -- he''s not fooling anyone. Would be great if he produced a great vehicle for the "hot son" y''all love so much. Maybe he should give some money to Tim Reid. Remember Frank''s Place?
A Tyler star. More than likely gay as well. PR machine hooked him up with a known dyke Eva Pigford. Also, one of the reasons the black female community supports Tyler movies.... watching this hunk of burning chocolate love for 60 minutes is sort of a gift for many in the population.
I think he is pretty obviously working to upgrade his image, first with attaching his name to Precious and next by doing god-knows-what he''s going to do to For Colored Girls...
I have seen only one of his movies-I Can Do Bad All By Myself-and, although it was a mess with an odd mix of over the top humor (Madea) and over the top melodrama (the rest of the movie, it did have some great moments of pleasure, primarily from Gladys Knight and Mary J Blige, and some man candy. I kind of, sort of enjoyed it much to my surprise. Perfect movie to rent from Redbox
“I now have homes all over,” he said. “LA, Atlanta where I grew up, New York. But I live alone. In all my adult life I’ve had five serious relationships with women. And I’m not sure monogamy is for me.” \
Why the emphasis on WOMEN??
Winfrey and Perry were not attached to PRECIOUS until after the film was completed and premiered at Sundance. They had nothing to do with the making of the film.
They leant their names (and perhaps some $$) to it to help with the marketing and promotion.
Perry isn't the first one to connect with more working-to-middle class African-American audiences. Ice Cube had a nice run putting out films like BARBERSHOP and NEXT FRIDAY that were quite successful commercially.
To reiterate what another poster said, Perry's film are targeted primarily to Church Women and sympathetic men (unlike Ice Cube's films).
Perry is certainly successful, but based on the few films of his I've seen, there are elements of homophobia in them (Perry protesting a little too much, perhaps?).
Also, the overall suspicion and contempt toward educated, financially independent Black women is really obnoxious - they're almost always the villian.
Instead Perry's films pander to the basest kind of paternalism that the church adheres to.
[quote]Perry isn''t the first one to connect with more working-to-middle class African-American audiences. Ice Cube had a nice run putting out films like BARBERSHOP and NEXT FRIDAY that were quite successful commercially.\
Again, whites not understanding history. Tyler''s plays paved the way for Cube''s Barbershop and more artistically Friday films. Tyler''s view point, however, is from that of the working class, over-weight, discarded black woman. Cube''s is from a more young black male horny view point.
aunt esther was not the hero; madea is. aunt esther was the joke. madea, while funny, is not the punch line of tyler''s movies. she delivers both the punch line and the punches.
That''s their nephew. He looks OK. He needs a hair cut though.\
This is their son. \
I don''t want no latte, I want some Hershey''s Special dark!
R56, I didn''t mean that the black female experience needs to be exploited on film as some sort of teachable moment for whites, and I didn''t mean to imply that minorities aren''t allowed escapist fare.\
My reservations about Perry''s work stem from the fact that his entire oeuvre is anchored on (and in turn promotes) a paternalistic and reactionary worldview. \
Being happily single, a lesbian, or dating outside of her race is never presented as a viable option to any of his heroines. But then, to be fair, those aren''t presented as a viable options in mainstream romantic comedies either.\
Also, speaking of interracial dating, r42/49/56 etc., do you want to go out for dinner sometime?
Good christ, I nearly creamed at that pic at r67. How does one get a body like that?
r60, do yourself a favor and open the link provided by r59. \
Again, this man is more than likely gay. But don''t get in a verbal match with the Tyler female audience on his sexuality. He is their #one fantasy.\
"Tyler''s plays paved the way for Cube''s Barbershop and more artistically Friday films."\
Bad grammer aside, that''s bull. You yourself say that Cube''s films are for a different audience, so how could Perry''s plays have anything to do with the success of Cube''s films?\
Ice Cube''s film career started with the very successful BOYZ ''N THE HOOD. If anything paved the way to his producing/acting projects it was the wave of grittier films that came out in the 90''s and were fairly successful commercially (TRESSPASS, GLASS SHIELD, THE PLAYERS CLUB)and featured hip-hop artists.\
He was smart enough to take his image and re-package it for a PG-13 audience. He doesn''t owe a thing to Tyler Perry.
R71, I never understood the anger directed towards females who buy into the lies promoted by closet cases. A majority of black women old and young knew Luther was gay. They still purchased his music and went to his concerts. To my knowledge he never had a beard or tired to sell himself as a sex image to black females.
Who says he''s wonderful?
I have always thought Lance Gross was gay, but go on any black blog that has him on and the women go wild. He doesn''t really look that good except when photoshoppedas in r59''s post. \
R73 Luthers music was good so it didn''t matter. Besides he was fat and ugly but the voice was nice, like Barry White.
He''s a closeted gay male who produces absurdly hetero-centric works that appeal to church-going black social conservatives. He makes my skin crawl.
I really enjoy Tyler Perrys stuff, his "Madea''s Family Reunion"? Just doesn''t get nuch better, very true to life. yet funny and that wedding? Beautiful, those live angels were over the top. I just can''t get enough of Madea. Perry is the black Dell Shore, I can''t get enough of his stuff either.
His stuff is amateurish and worse than Michael Bay. His weird simpering mouth make me want to punch him.
I wonder if Tyler Perry has seen the latest Boondocks episode. Damn, it was brutal! And funny.
Who cares, do your thing Tyler - let the haters hate.
R92 exemplifies the anti-thought approach that serves "the culture" so well. To think is to hate. Yassuh. \
Perry knows his market, and he serves up plates of warm, sugared, spicy, salty crap in just the right blends with nothing to challenge anyone - and of course no one buys any of it, including him. At least Capra bought his corn. At least Disney believed in the ethos of his smarm. But this cynical zillionaire hides in plain sight, is too fake to come out of the closet, and throws his swill out over and over for the hogs to chow down.\
Which they do.\
93, Just because its crap to you doesn''t mean that its crap to everybody.....everybody doesn''t have to live by your worldview.
Anyone see The Boondocks on Sunday. It pretty much called out Perry and said he uses faith and unflattering stereotypes to hide the fact that he fucks dudes.
[quote]throws his swill out over and over for the hogs to chow down.\
Who you callin hog, mofo?
"Anyone see The Boondocks on Sunday. It pretty much called out Perry and said he uses faith and unflattering stereotypes to hide the fact that he fucks dudes."\
Yes, it was great. But some people are offended because they think that McGruder mocked Jesus and Christians. And some of them still believe that Perry is straight!
Tyler is mad:\
"According to a source, Tyler Perry is a drag queen scorned!!!\
Word on the streets is the recent ’Boondocks’ episode, that mocked everything TP hit a deep nerve with the mogul. Our source claims he’s paranoid and believes it was an inside job – based on the show’s accuracy!!!\
Our source also says that Madea is giving pink slips to his entire staff [not the shirtless boy wonders of course] starting Friday – – he wants to control any leaks of information about ”the compound!!”\
DIVA! So apparently the information in the Boondock’s episode had some truth to it, and only could’ve been leaked by someone that works at the studio. So, um, which part of the episode below has some truth to it Mr. Perry!!!\
The oily men? The casting couch? The Jesus epiphanies?"
I pretty much tolerated Perry (even though I think that he is a hypocritical hack pandering to homophobic biases) but when he screwed over his writers* he pretty much illustrated his true colors.\
* Only to be humiliated into doing the right thing.
Glad his crap has no international life
I''m sure OP has never see to any of Tyler Perry''s movies, yet is inclined to spark racial, bigoted arguments.
He has a new shitcom coming out. Am I the only one who thinks the actor in this interview clip pings? Skip ahead to the 1:30 point.
Who is that guy with the video blog who had his face cut? He outed Perry BIG time as a huge queen who turned his back on the black gay community when he got some success. There is another thread about it around here somewhere.
Don't know if they're still together but he was dating the black guy who does the commercials. That guy ended up in one of his movies too.
I'm anxious to see his new soap called "The Haves and the Have Nots" that's premiering soon on OWN. It stars John Schneider (yes, Bo Duke!) as a wealthy, philandering judge who's sleeping with his black maid's daughter.
R109 Yep, I saw that clip too and again, I think he pings. Plus, on his Twitter, he has re-tweets of when Delaware and Minnesota passed gay marriage.
Well he must be one of the children then! Shout out to TP if Andre put out for him for the part on the show. That boy has some pretty teeth, and everything else
r101, what's his twitter handle?
Okay, not trying to stir up shit but... I went on that studio lot for an audition and I swear the only black people I saw were the guard at the gate and the Casting Director. Oh and the black actors on the movies on the monitor in the lobby.
Seriously, it looked as lily white as every studio lot I ever was on in L.A.,
R113 Not surprised. And noticed how it's always light-skinned guys that are cast as the "heartthrobs".
That's not true in his Temptation movie 114. Both guys are brown skinned.
Hey r113 what about crew members did you see who was working behind the camera? Is the crew integrated?
[quote]In every Tyler Perry movie or sitcom, there's always a pretty lightskin guy who's the main love interest. I'm just sayin......
Idris Elba and Lamman Rucker aren't lightskinned
To be fair, haven't been on one of his sets yet, R116, just meetings at the studio itself. Think you can google a clip of Oprah "visiting:" to announce new sitcom on OWN and it's a pretty mixed bag -- but, even there, far more white than I would've imagine. Especially in ATL.
I love all of his stuff. He is HILARIOUS!
Well I work in LA in "the biz" and there are more Black crew people than there were when I started in the 90's but still not a lot. So I would guess that he would have a difficult time in Atlanta finding Black crew members that know what the hell they are doing.
I think that her work has gone downhill since "One of the Boys."
Just a little surprised that Oprah would want his trash on her network. I saw the interview that Steve Harvey did with Oprah when she was on his show last month. She said that Tyler will be making his productions for her network exclusively. Apparently Tyler was going to start his own network but Oprah and he made a deal to use OWN.
I thought O would want quality seeing as how the viewers that watch her self help and spiritual shows is a mixed crowd that doesn't seem to fit viewers of Tyler's simple minded bullshit.
I mean how is it that you are serving up all the metaphysical Deepak Chopra and the Secret stuff then turn around and put on the Black bible thumpers two hours later?
I don't think O cares about quality at this point - she's just trying to get people to watch the channel any way she can.
Oprah found out that quality doesn't sell -- her brand of quality, at least. Plus, she and Perry are besties.
[quote]she's just trying to get people to watch the channel any way she can.
Well she will win me over if she has more hot guys like Andre Hall on the network. Good find Oprah!
Yeah but why not ask Shonda Rhimes to pitch some ideas? The production quality does not have to be high but the writing could be great.
Also wonder how she would feel finding out about her bestie having his former gay lover cut up?
Tyler Perry should write a TV drama loosely based on his own life, including flashbacks from his childhood, the gay, and the problems in his personal life as an adult. He probably has a lot of stuff already written but if he worked with the right people it could be brilliant. I dont think there has been anything on TV like that before, and OWN would be the perfect place for it.
Sounds great r127, except Tyler is not gonna do that! Especially the gay stuff.
His movies are crap, and there is a lot of homophobia and misogyny in them. For example the career women and female adulterers are slapped or given HIV. So I think people have the right to criticize his work.
But I also think some people are just pissed that a movie is focusing on a "non-universal" demographic. Hollywood thinks all movies should be about straight white men- and occasionally white women- as if there point of view and experiences are "normative". The minute a movie ventures off on another demographic there is an avalanche of hate- even if the quality of the movie is okay.
I do hate Tyler for not taking advantage of his fame and wealth to create quality movies and to venture away from the melodrama and romantic comedies.
I don't believe in outing people, but if Tyler Perry continues to include homophobia in his movies and TV shows, he should be outed.
[quote]if Tyler Perry continues to include homophobia in his movies and TV shows, he should be outed.
Why does everyone keep saying he needs to be outed? He has very publicly acknowledged that his sexual desires are not clear for very unfortunate reasons.
And why do people choose to hate him for homophobia and misogyny in his movies when it is just as bad, if not worse in the rest of Hollywood??
I get sick of people ragging on his work, even if it is at times juvenile. The guy has put more black people in movies and television than all the major networks and studios combined for the last ten years. And he's not done yet.
Go to the studio and count em for yourself. Bring one hand and a couple of fingers.
r131 No, Tyler Perry's misogyny is a lot worse than Hollywood. Although yes you are right the homophobia in his films are no different than Hollywood.
For example, show me a Hollywood film where a career women is slapped or given HIV as punishment for being too uppity. This is so strange and creepy, especially since his core audience are females.
So Tyler should be free from criticism because he supposedly gives black people more work in the industry? We can't criticize him because then we are 'white gays' that know nothing about where he came from, his demographic, black culture, etc.? How do these people here know who we are or what we know? So because one is of a group that is marginalized, silenced, and dismissed by society and Hollywood, we should be happy with any scraps we are given?
The kind of apologists this man has are unbelievable.
r134 I agree. Sometimes it is best to not have visibility if the movie/TV show is highly stereotypical and damaging.
r134, nobody said you had to like his work. Hell, I haven't seen anything he has done in years. But it feels as if people go out of their way to attack him personally because they dont like his crappy movies. There are so many more unsavory black entertainers out there available for you to shade.
I agree with R136
R136 But that's the thing 136. So many others seem to take the criticism of him as some sort of personal attack against him...which is simply not true. We are critiquing his work artistically, commercially, as well as commenting on his professional business, and where it falls in line in the bigger picture of media, culture, and the black community...and how it affects all three. If we mention his sexuality, well, that just comes with the territory of being a public figure. And this is Datalounge, that's one of the whole reasons for this board. Plus, discussing sexuality is not a put-down, insult, or accusation. Whether people like it or not, it comes with the territory of being a public figure.
If he doesn't want the criticism, or his fans can't take it, then maybe he should educate himself (about a whole hell of a lot of things) so that he can make a better product.
If the white gay community hates the work that Tyler Perry produces then maybe they should start producing quality work with black actors as the leads.
r139 Well black actresses really. Black actors are mostly not leads in Perry's films. And black actors have it better in Hollywood.
He casts men who all look like they could be in a male revue troupe.
r141 Well of course. The movies are meant for (straight)women, and they like good looking men. Movies targeted towards straight men do the same thing in reverse.
Wait, is he gay now?
I really would like to see a great Tyler Perry movie.
Unfortunately, despite good premises, they all eventually collapse under the weight of every tired ass cliche in the book.
The Peebles movie looked good but it appears to be languishing at the box ofice.
This whole thread is moot, since no one ever said there was something wonderful about Tyler Perry. My own tears were about something else.
Tyler sits down with Mother Oprah and talks about feeling like he had to save Nippy.
Oprah is working a purple sweater and purple lipstick and purple eyeshadow, hunty!
Oprah looks about 100 years old now. Too much makeup but still doesn't cover up the sags.
R147 Yeah, O needs to get those bags lifted. She has the money, so I don't know what she's waiting for.
[quote]Sounds great [R127], except Tyler is not gonna do that! Especially the gay stuff.
You never know r128.
I just watched Love Thy Neighbor, just to look at Andre Hall's fine ass. The show is standard Tyler Perry sitcom. I bet Andre is going shirtless on the show soon, only that will save OWN at his point!
[quote] O needs to get those bags lifted. She has the money, so I don't know what she's waiting for.
Lesbians don't care about physical appearance. Gayle will still love O and go down on her even if O looks like a haggard bag lady.
Has anyone seen Andre Hall from Love Thy Neighbor? If anyone has any question about Tyler's sexuality, just take note of all the hot men he has in his movies and TV shows.
Shemar Moore, Aaron O'Connell, Andre Hall, Tyler Lepley, Christian Keyes, Terrell Carter, etc.
You have to give TP credit for shamelessly featuring all those fine guys. TP knows that he can get at least a few more gay eyeballs to watch his show with Andre Hall, who is just a pleasure to look at.
Did anyone ever see that episode of "The Boondocks" that basically parodied Tyler Perry?
They play out some good stuff as to why he always hires big, buff Black men.
The whole episode is great.
And TP got SUPER mad and went on the defensive after that aired. He CANNOT take criticism...nor satire.
Why get so defensive if you say it isn't true Tyler?
Wow. What haters. I will keep it simple. Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. If you do not like Tyler Perry's work then you write a play or movie. Until then you should keep your opinions to yourself. You know they talk about Jesus Christ also.