Family murdered in DC

No discussion?!

A suspect was just named:

WASHINGTON – The Metropolitan Police Department has identified a suspect in last week’s quadruple homicide in Northwest D.C.

Four found dead in D.C. home after ‘suspicious’ fire

The bodies of four people were found in a Northwest D.C. home after a fire the Metropolitan Police Department is calling “very suspicious.” Police say they are looking for 34-year-old Daron Dylon Wint in connection with the homicides. According to a news release issued late Wednesday, police have an arrest warrant charging Wint with “murder one while armed.”

Wint is described as a black male, standing about 5-feet-7-inches tall and weighing about 155 pounds.

Savvas Savopoulos, 46; his wife, Amy Savopoulos, 47; their son, Philip; and housekeeper Veralicia Figueroa, 57, were found dead May 14 in the house on Woodland Road in Northwest, after an intentionally-set fire.

NBC Washington reports that investigators found no sign of forced entry at the house, indicating that the killer or killers knew who they were and their routine. They also say that the killers entered the house on Wednesday, keeping the family bound through Thursday afternoon.

Police say the family’s blue Porsche was later found torched in the parking lot of St. Christopher’s Episcopal Church, in Lanham, Maryland.

If you have any information about Wint’s whereabouts, call police at 202-727-9099. Tips can also be submitted anonymously by test messaging 50411. A reward of up to $25,000 is currently being offered to anyone who provides information that leads to an arrest and conviction.

Stuff like this is usually DL catnip, and now that we know the suspect is black you'll surely get the amount of responses you were looking for.

There's no gay angle, so why should we care?

Did someone wear a caftan?

We were on it for a few days, OP.

They do not want equality, they are not interested in fairness, they do not believe diversity works.

They want blood. Plain and simple.

We cannot get along.

This motherfucker brutally murdered a family for $40K! He should also be burned in prison. I'm pretty sure there's an accomplice.

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Extortion, so must be more than one suspect. Kid was tortured in front of his father so that's why the money was finally sent, supposedly. Likely the father knew the 1st suspect; he was let in to the home despite the always on extensive alarm system. Family was restrained in separate rooms with duct tape.

Go to hell, r6.

No compassion for the rich, no matter what happens to them. Sorry. The divide has just gotten too great.

You have no compassion for a ten year-old boy who was tortured, r11? I hope you die painfully in a horrible fire.

So this is obviously not some random crime for a measly $40K?

Was the suspect a hired gun to torture the family for other ulterior reasons related to the CEO's business deals? Looking at the photos, the suspect looks to have been raised in a middle class environment.

It's not much of an intriguing mystery when they know who did it. DL sleuths have nothing to ramble about.

They should've tried harder to escape .... Should've said something in Spanish on the phone the attackers couldn't understand like "necesito policia!"

And of course, the murderer was black.

Yeah....let's see them blame this on the police.

Hey was there a gay DL angle ? The murderer is HOT!

The murderer came here from Guyana when he was 20, so I don't think Spanish would have slipped past him R15.

[quote]They should've tried harder to escape .... Should've said something in Spanish on the phone the attackers couldn't understand like "necesito policia!"

IT'S ALL THEIR OWN FAULT THEY DIED!

Gee, perhaps this is why the housekeeper wasn't allowed to speak on the phone. It was only the Savopoulos, either on the phone or through a text, who instructed the other maid not to come in and asked her to call the other maid's family to tell them that she was staying overnight and couldn't call because her cell battery was dead.

Do keep up. DL isn't for the intellectually deficient.

One detail that bothers me is that the one he tortured was the 10 year old boy.

Why would he necessarily speak Spanish if he's from Guyana? English is its official language.

He was in Brooklyn as of this morning. I hope he hasn't invaded another home.

I agree R20, that's the one part that is really problematic and a hard one to get past.

I admit that does make him less sexy.

Where are you getting that the 10 year old was tortured? I'm not disputing it - I just haven't seen that in other news accounts which seem pretty sketchy about what happened.

If the link doesn't work, google "murderer tortured boy"

The details are sketchy. A couple of news outlets have reported it. I think it was mentioned as speculation because the authorities themselves are trying to piece it together. What I've read is that Phillip's body was burned beyond recognition and had numerous lacerations. Apparently, the others suffered blunt force trauma. The timeline I've read is that the assistant didn't bring the package with the $40K until Thurs. morning a few hours before the fire was set. I think the lacerations and the delivery timeline are leading to this conclusion. It sounds plausible.

[quote] and had numerous lacerations

Undoubtedly there was some kind of sex game going on that the boy didn't want to take part in, so they cut him and killed him.

Apparently his body showed signs of torture - a lot of it. Sick. Evil.

Authorities have named Daron Dylon Wint as the prime suspect in the murders. And they identified him using DNA left on the crust of one of two pizzas he ordered while holding the family hostage.

CNN reported Thursday that police are searching for the 34-year-old Wint, who is believed to have traveled from D.C. to New York City and has previously faced charges of “theft, assault and a sexual offense.” He is wanted for first-degree murder in the deaths of Savvas Savopoulos, the CEO of a Maryland building materials manufacturer, his wife, Amy, 10-year-old son Philip and their housekeeper, Veralicia Figueroa.

As for motive, police believe Wint was looking for money. During the incident, one of Savopoulos’ employees dropped off $40,000 in cash at the home for the suspect. He is believed to have escaped in the family’s Porsche, which was later found burning in the parking lot of a church in Maryland.

(Pictures of the gentle giant at link.)

TV report says the suspect worked for the Savvas's company. The 67th Precinct on Foster Avenue in Canarsie Brooklyn was shown. The perp has family in that area.

[quote]Pictures of the gentle giant at link

The suspect was described as being 5'7" in some news repots

On Facebook, the murderer captioned one of his pictures as being "what Black Jesus looks like."

This murderer is certainly full of himself! He has a long criminal record in Maryland and that's how they were able to match his DNA from the pizza.

R11, At least have compassion for the hard working poor maid, about to retire and wanting to see her family again. She's not rich.

They tortured the boy so the father would give the extortionist $40,000. That's why the money was delivered in cash by the assistant. He should have brought the police with him. I wouldn't have carried that much cash alone, no matter what my boss told me. I would have brought an undercover female cop as a driver.

[quote]I would have brought an undercover female cop as a driver.

Can you describe how you would have convinced the police this was necessary? Or their involvement at all given what was known at the time?

I was thinking about this earlier today: your rich boss arranges for you to drop off cash at his house. In hindsight, clearly the guy should have alerted the police, but maybe your boss is in to some shady stuff and he's paying off gambling debts or a mistress and now you've just exposed him. I'm guessing there are a number of people who are thinking if they did something different these people might still be alive.

And this does seem like the Cheshire murders where what seems like just a home invasion goes horribly awry.

For those of you here who seem to think these people in some way deserved this because they were wealthy and white- I hope when the downtrodden and persecuted masses of blacks come to your front door to torture and kill you that you will bow your heads, drop to your knees and accept with grace the punishment you know in your heart that you so richly deserve.

R34, The police know my voice because of the many times I've reported illegal games of "5 Card Monty" on the Vegas Strip, especially on the connecting bridges between the high end casinos where they also impede tourist traffic.

Walking miles everywhere, I'm always reporting stalled vehicles blocking strip routes too. Therefore I'm sure I'd be able to use my best acting skills to convince the police I needed a female undercover escort, knowing a $40,000 delivery of cash was a very unusual request from my boss.

The murderer's foreign roots might explain why he only asked for $40,000. Before the suspect was announced, I was thinking that the perp has some close connection to the "surviving" housekeeper - and/or he/she was some foreign person with a poor concept of the value of the U.S. dollar. To me and a lot of other U.S. natives, $40,000 isn't a lot of money. If I were going to go through that "trouble" - you'd better believe that I'm going to try to get my hands on more than $40,000.

And, please - let's bring our own food to a torture/killing next time, shall we? Or, cot damn...don't those rich folks have ANY available food in their well-appointed kitchen? Greedy, pizza-loving, idiot. The only excuse for his mistake is if he thought that setting the house on fire would destroy the DNA on that pizza crust.

Perhaps I meant to say - only eat food that you can consume IN FULL. All the damn homicide-detective shows all up and down the dial - and you cannot do any better than that??

I think he knew the value of the dollar. He was a certified welder who is reported to have worked for the father's the steel company. Welders can make a good living. I'm sure he knows how much a luxury car, an iPhone, or a nice house costs. He is just too dumb to understand how difficult getting a large sum of cash quickly would be. He probably initially asked for a lot more.

Logistically asking for a larger amount would have been be very difficult. It didn't help that both holders of the family accounts were held hostage. So this would leave the father's corporate associates to make withdrawals from company accts. It would probably require more than one signature if president and CEO was unavailable. The withdrawal of amounts over $20K (is it?) have to be reported to the Feds under anti-terrorism laws. How much petty cash do companies have sitting around?

The murderer was too dumb and unfamiliar with U.S. banking law to understand the difficulty of gathering a lot of cash in a short amount of time. When the father tried to explain it, killer probably didn't believe him and started to torture the son thinking he'd get results.

The victim's bank may have had a limit on the amount of cash it would dispense. Not many people need more than $40k cash in an emergency.

The killer was foreign?

for all the ones that are making fun of it, the monater is still around to get you, and i hope he does!

I happen to like monaters.

Most psychopaths are not brilliant criminal masterminds. Most are just stupid assholes with poor impulse control.

I can't believe this shit...why didn't they just pay him to go away?

This is a worst-case scenario horror story about a home invasion, torture, murder and arson. Does DC have the death penalty because he deserves it.

Ok so he worked for the family in Canarsie...as what, a welder? Please...let's stick to details. Also will he get the death penalty, I hope? Welders DO make an awful lot of money. There MIGHT be more to this, but possibly not too.

The poor fucking daughters. Losing parents in such a way is terrible enough. But to lose your ten year old brother to such a horrible death with prolonged suffering... Unspeakably awful.

I think the death penalty is a way out, not the "ultimate punishment".

Lets bring back the electric chair for this guy.

Thin crust or deep dish?

Wash DC does not have a death penalty

They were tied up with duct tape. Both parents were also beaten and tortured. But little boy suffered the worst of it.

[quote]Wash DC does not have a death penalty

Correct. And, there does not appear to be any way for the U.S. Attorney (who prosecutes all crimes, federal and local in D.C.) to bring federal charges, which would open the door to the death penalty.

He committed a heinous crime and is nothing more than a barbaric piece of shit. Too bad that the punishment can't fit the crime. For what he did, he deserves a long, slow, painful, torturous death.

Caught! In NE DC.

hey anyone knows if there is a limit to how much you can withdraw from atm in a bar?

He was traveling in a car with 3 women...from Maryland into DC. I think the cops were following. Then surrounded car and arrested him.

This is so sad and pointless. That boy looks a lot like my 9 y.o. nephew and the thought of that kid's life ending in such a horrible way for this stupid shit...they deserve the death penalty,

Damn, I have jury duty IN DC in two weeks!

Guyanese. Vulgar trash. Too bad they all didn't off themselves along with the Jim Jones cult.

Except for Leona Lewis's forebears.

This is why we look at thuggish black men differently than Japanese gurl scouts, Mrs. Obama.

The Crime Channel just had a show about a kid from Guyana who convinced some other kids that he was the leader of a paramilitary organization and that they should rob and kill people --- so they did.

Surprisingly, ithe crime did not take place in Florida .

[quote]I can't believe this shit...why didn't they just pay him to go away?

Who the fuck knew why, Rose!

He probably thought, like so many other stupid criminals before him, that there was a safe in the house. He figured he'd do a quick crime, kill a person or two, and take off.

After watching Discovery ID a few times, it's pretty obvious that most criminals are stupid douchebags. And they commit murder pretty often. They either have no plan for what to do after the murder is committed, or they have a ridiculous plan about escaping somewhere and partying hearty.

If they had two functioning brain cells, they'd realize they're going to be quickly caught and put in jail for life and it's not worth it. But they're incorrigibly stupid douches.

[quote] Damn, I have jury duty IN DC in two weeks!

Do you think he's going to trial in 2 weeks? It will be more like 2 years when you're due to come back. LOL!

[quote]No compassion for the rich, no matter what happens to them. Sorry. The divide has just gotten too great.

R11, you're pure evil.

And society didn't make you that way. You just are. Evil.

If only that family could have grabbed a gun. I wonder if they had any in the house.

This. Never. Happened.

I know hindsight's 20/20 but the pizza delivery person thought it was odd.

They order pizza but told them they wouldn't come to the door.

The delivery person would find an envelope with the $$ at the front door. They were to leave the pizza on the porch, take the $$ and ring the bell as they left.

That should have caused suspicion.

ABCNews interviewed the pizza workers. They all discussed how odd all that was. Then they were gobsmacked to learn what happened.

Caught!

[quote]I know hindsight's 20/20 but the pizza delivery person thought it was odd. They order pizza but told them they wouldn't come to the door. The delivery person would find an envelope with the $$ at the front door. They were to leave the pizza on the porch, take the $$ and ring the bell as they left.

Why would this be odd?

This is awful. Crimes like this make you pro death penalty.

What I don't understand if they live near Joe Biden you think they would have damn good security.

How did they keep it together when they made the calls to the pizza guy, the cleaning lady and the guy who delivered the money? If they were being tortured, and/or their kid was. Wouldn't you hear 'something' in their voices--sobbing, terror, stuttering and stilted words? And wouldn't the kid be crying/screaming in the background?

It's always amazing to me when criminals can calmly eat a meal in the midst of committing such heinous acts. That kind of composure = evil in the extreme. They can't blame panic or impulse.

^ I read that in a voicemail left for staff during the ordeal, the kid is heard screaming in the background.

[quote]And this does seem like the Cheshire murders where what seems like just a home invasion goes horribly awry.

Yes, I was trying to remember the name of that town, thank you.

Can you imagine the outcry if the b/w races were reversed in this case?

He had five people with him when arrested. They were arrested as well. How stupid are those people?

There were many signals something was wrong at the home, the maids husband called, the delivery guys, the other maid. the assistant. Yet no one called 911. This is why is something seems amiss call the police and get them to check it out. Better safe than sorry.

[quote] He had five people with him when arrested. They were arrested as well. How stupid are those people?

I interned in the ER at Jamaica Hospital and what I can tell you is this: People in the hood don't watch tv or read the papers. A TV is for playing video games and watching movies.

Think about how television doesn't reflect your real life. Now think about being in the ghetto. Nothing on TV, except maybe The Wire, looks like your life. You may as well be watching a video feed from a Mars rover.

What matters is the street. Their entire lives are about what's going on in the few blocks around them. What matters is that they cool, and that they don't piss off drug dealers or family/GFs of drug dealers.

They do visit relatives in other neighborhoods. When they get kicked out of their house, or when their mothers go to jail, they go live with aunts and grandmothers who may live in Brooklyn or the Bronx or FL or Philly.

What goes on in your world has nothing to do with what goes on in their world. While your sitting in your house in front of a TV watching CNN day and night to see what's going on in the world, they're at parties getting high. That's their world and then think it's bizarre that someone would sit in front of a TV to see what's happening somewhere else when they should be out with friends getting high or scoring some money somehow.

Why didn't the assistant report suspicious activity to the police when requested to bring $40K in cash to the CEO's house and leave it by the front door?

[quote] There were many signals something was wrong at the home, the maids husband called, the delivery guys, the other maid. the assistant.

Maids, maids' husbands and delivery guys maybe don't understand English too well and think that rich white people are crazy anyway. They pretty much wait to be told what to do by employers and customers. They're often from very different cultures and find everything g about wealthy first world people strange. If they are born here....well, who do you think was born here and works for Domino's pizza? Not the brightest people.

Maybe the Dominoes people thought the the house was full of teenagers and pot smoke because the parents were away and the kids inside didn't want the police called.

Or maybe they thought drug money was being counted inside the house -- lots of money launderers are rich --- and they didn't want anyone looking in the house. Maybe they thought it was a national security thing -- the VP lives down the street. Maybe a secret meeting between high powered political people.

There is all matter of illegality that people are involved in. My mother found out the lovely family next door was growing huge numbers of pot plants. The power company noticed they were using too much electricity and notified police. "They were such nice people, they kept the property so lovely!"

[quote] Why didn't the assistant report suspicious activity to the police when requested to bring $40K in cash to the CEO's house and leave it by the front door?

1.) Maybe he's used to obeying his boss without question. Many bosses require that from employees nowadays.

2.) Maybe the assistant is new

3.) Maybe the boss gave a plausible story to a person who isn't very smart. Not many people are expecting a family inside is being held captive.

I had a boss who was an extreme dick and eccentric, too. A surgeon who used to go home, get his tools and come back to the hospital and fix cabinets or knock down walls he didn't like. His employees did not question him. He would call his yacht captain from the hospital at 2:30 AM and tell him to meet him in Miami or the Bahamas the next day. Leave now. Right now. I would not be surprised if he called one of his employees and said "I need 40k in cash for a car for my daughter/new speedboat I need to pick up today. I'm not home, but I'll swing by and pick it up. The door's locked, just leave it outside. Don't worry about it, ok? Just do it." It would be done.

A lot of rich people on America are real dicks who are spoiled and used to ordering people around and getting what they want. A lot of employees are used to be ordered around by rich, spoiled employers.

I have the means myself to pull $40k out of various accounts, but there is no one in my company who would have access to be able to make a withdrawal that large. Very fishy.

[quote]While your sitting in your house in front of a TV

Oh, dear (to the criminal apologist).

There are a few posters on here who sound sociopathic. This is what happens when people are raised in a society that teaches them to blame everyone and everything else for their problems, and that evil isn't evil.

Thank you, Leftism! You're ruining our country.

R86, it is you who are ruining the country with your evil, twisted ways.

[quote]This is what happens when people are raised in a society that teaches them to blame everyone and everything else for their problems, and that evil isn't evil.

Yes, just like how the mainstream media is to blame for Josh Duggar's problems at least according to his arch-conservative Christian supporters like Mike Huckabee. Why don't you run off and see if Josh needs a new playmate now that he has time on his hands? You know those hands that have fondled his little sisters' genitals.

Maryland is a breeding ground for sociopathic thugs. Why people live there by choice, I have no idea.

I think the pizza people and some others couldn't imagine the worst, the insane torture and murder that happened.

The killer did not do this alone. He had someone with him.

The poor 10 year old died of burns and stabbing. They were burning the poor kid as torture. Horrific.

This is similar to the home invasion and murders in Connecticut by those Russian men years ago. The home invasion, hostage, and brutality of the slayings screams hired hit to me. The DNA story also seems kinda fishy. How did the pizza not burn in the house? Somehow, I would not be surprised if this dreadhead is just a patsy. His past affiliation and seedy background makes him a prime candidate.

R88, because I find the sociopathic attitudes in this thread disturbing, I'm a defender of a molester? I don't know anything about the TV show or its cast members that you're referring to, but I would never defend a child molester. Your logic is tortured.

Having said that, I think that some posters on here sound sociopathic, and their attitudes were likely helped along by Leftist ideals of victimhood. What's sad is that these people can't call evil behavior what it is, but they have to excuse it by blaming anyone and everything else. The lack of empathy is alarming.

Animals.

Had the victims been AA and the perpetrators white there would have been even greater outrage:

* When the victim is AA and the perpetrators white then there's much to be made out of it because obviously it was racial.

* When the victim is white and the perpetrators are AA or when both the victim and perpetrators are AA then it's business as usual.

AA = Alcoholics Anonymous.

R20 That's the one that bothers you, huh?

R24 "Wint went to work on him with a blow torch and a pair of pliers'"

[quote] The gate to the VP's property is on Massachussetts Avenue. This family lived back a few streets off a street that intersected with Mass Ave at those gates. It's not like you could see the VP's property from where they lived.

Though there may have been foreigh government houses within eyesight of their house and some of them get patrolled by uniformed Secret Service.

Eeeek! Kill it!

What is it with assholes like r86 who blame "leftists" for societal violence, when it was GWB who lied to get us to start a war that would pay for itself? We were supposed to be greeted as liberators, but instead we gleefully photographed our own violence and torture at Abu Ghraib among others?

Do you really hold "leftists" responsible for our violent society when we are the ones pushing for smart gun control, income equality, universal healthcare and public education?

Has the Bush administration accepted responsibility for unleashing the hell on earth we currently have? Uh...FUCK NO.

What a weird, racist/elitist/politically correct perspective you have, r82.

Foreign-born "help" get a cultural free pass for not alerting popo while native-born are just stupid. You suck.

[quote]Do you really hold "leftists" responsible for our violent society when we are the ones pushing for smart gun control, income equality, universal healthcare and public education?

The left controlled Baltimore and pushed all that crap. We saw the result.

The whole "the VP lives down the street" theme is craziness. I live closer to the Naval Observatory than this unfortunate family did and I don't consider Biden a neighbor.

R52 my bet is stuffed crust

So R86 and R101, if the "left" is to blame, why do "leftist" societies such as those in the EU and Canada have less violence than the U.S.?

R104 "Honest Answers" for a thousand Alex... They have less blacks.

R104 Canada is not a "leftist" society. The majority of Canadians are centrist.

There are still some interesting questions about this case - how did the savage beast(s) get into the house?

How did the psychotic lowlife manage to control so many people for almost a full day (esp considering lack of evidence that he had a gun)?

Why did the victim's assistant who dropped off the ransom $$ tell a bunch of weird lies to the cops about how that went down?

The ransom drop was a few hours before the victims were brutally murdered & their tortured 10-year-old burned alive. What happened in that interim? Why was the father/victim still making phone calls, including to the ransom-dropper, up until minutes before being beat to death?

There are still some interesting questions about this case - how did the savage beast(s) get into the house?

How did the psychotic lowlife manage to control so many people for almost a full day (esp considering lack of evidence that he had a gun)?

Why did the victim's assistant who dropped off the ransom $$ tell a bunch of weird lies to the cops about how that went down?

The ransom drop was a few hours before the victims were brutally murdered & their tortured 10-year-old burned alive. What happened in that interim? Why was the father/victim still making phone calls, including to the ransom-dropper, up until minutes before being beat to death?

[quote]The left controlled Baltimore and pushed all that crap. We saw the result.

Didn't "lefty" Martin O'Mally's policies lead the thousands of illegal arrests and detentions in Baltimore?

R108

On the news a FBI spokesperson said they feel sure there was more than 1 person involved.

He said 1 person could not wrangle 3 adults and a child for close to 24 hours.

Of course, the Daily Mail gives details about the pizza! If two were ordered, I assume it was for other perpetrators. I don't think they expected their captives to eat. Interestingly, one was untouched (the cheese) and the pepperoni had been partially eaten. Maybe the others were either too professional or too nervous to eat?

[quote]Domino's told police their delivery worker arrived at the property at 9.15pm with two pizzas - a whole cheese and a pepperoni.

I bet the daughters will have PTSD. You know if they'd been there they would have been raped and killed.

The SJWs on Tumblr are saying their white privilege got them killed. The privilege was triggering for the low paid minority worker.

It is looking like the driver was in on it. Good God. He drove this people - the kid to school -and he did this!

The rich made the US a third world country -- this is part of the deal.

r114 link? or what are you talking about?

The "driver" or sometimes called assistant who dropped off the money - his story keeps changing - and changing a great deal.

Wint took a cab from Brooklyn to DC..paid with cash from ransom money.

Yup, R115. Soon it will be here like it is in other countries, where those with money have to live in compounds with heavily armed guards patrolling the walls.

You have to careful around colored people. Just last week my friend Ida in Pikesville was approached by a colored man and he took her bag of canned tuna she had just purchased at Safeway!!! ( granted it was that dark tuna that is a dollar a can , Ida's casseroles tend to be not that great) The horror !!!!

r120 knows what is best for everyone.

[quote] How did the psychotic lowlife manage to control so many people for almost a full day (esp considering lack of evidence that he had a gun)?

How would anyone know if he or they had a gun? The witnesses are all dead. I suspect he did have a gun. Take the gun, leave the pizza.

[quote] Why did the victim's assistant who dropped off the ransom $$ tell a bunch of weird lies to the cops about how that went down?

Often what seems like contradictions aren't. Did the assistant speak English well? Was he just not very articulate in describing things - saying we got the money from the bank when he meant the other guy got the money from tne bank and then gave it to him. No difference. Hopefully they recorded the interviews and until I hear them I'm not ready to call this guy a liar or even say he changed his story. Leaving out steps or confusing which action came in what order does not make you a liar - it may be a sign the interrogators inept though.

[quote] Did the assistant speak English well? Was he just not very articulate in describing things - saying we got the money from the bank when he meant the other guy got the money from tne bank and then gave it to him.

Among your presumptions -- "No difference."

R86,

I know! How stupid are people to think that those with infinite power would ever mistreat those with no power. Any blame in that direction is just a sign of mental illness.

Of course, now that you've effectively diagnosed your target as mentally ill, they're obviously unfit to work, which means that, thanks to people like YOU, they can now go on disability, Medicaid, Medicare (two years after going on disability), SNAP, student aid, etc.

Aren't you glad you got to call someone poorer than you mentally ill and lazy?

Keep talking.

First he said he left money in bad on the porch. Next day said he left money in an envelope - inside the car, which was inside the garage.

hmmm

Also, the phone calls to his number continued into after the money drop

Proving what, R125?

[quote] How did the psychotic lowlife manage to control so many people for almost a full day

By getting his hands on the kid. That's all he needed to do.

[quote] First he said he left money in bad on the porch. Next day said he left money in an envelope - inside the car, which was inside the garage.

Have you ever been involved in a news story and then read all the errors about the situation in the newspapers? I have. They get names wrong, addresses wrong, timelines wrong. And they never write a retraction.

Remember Newtown? They reported the shooter was Evan Lanza. They said the shooter's mother was an employee of the elementary school/school district. They said the principal buzzed the shooter in because she recognized him as the son of a colleague. They said the shooter had killed his father in NJ, then traveled to CT to shoot up the school.

Point being, it might not be the assistant who is changing the story. It could be -- and probably is --- the media getting it mixed up.

Why would the maid who was told not to come in, talk with the assistant about whether the money was dropped off or not. Since when did housekeepers become involved in financial matters?

R126 That he is changing his story cause he's worried where his fingerprints, dna, etc will show up.

r128 try reading something on the case first. The assistant changed his story during a police interview. Apparently cops confronted him with evidence his statements were untrue and he admitted he'd "lied" (per police report) and offered different versions.

It's strange what he "lied" about - when he first heard from the victim re the ransom; where the money came from & what it got put into; whether he unlocked the car when he made the drop-off. Nothing that seems to implicate him, but wtf is he doing telling stories other than the truth anyway.

Could be he was just casual in his speech per r122, but investigators have no reason to assert that he "lied" unless they think it's true. They're looking for the truth and who has it, not trying to win an argument against a confused potential witness.

[quote] . . . investigators have no reason to assert he "lied" unless they think it's true.

That's funny. Of course they do but they also could just be wrong in so characterizing statements.

I've read the Affidavit in Support of an Arrest Warrant in this case twice now. W1, the driver, is not quoted as admitting it lied. That could well be because he didn't think he was lying. He was just getting things wrong - which can be expected in scary circumstance when being interrogated by the police who tend to talk over each other during such "conversations."

It's the police who are saying W1 lied - that's how they inevitably characterize additions or changes or mistakes.

Without more, there is nothing in the stated differences that mean all that much - at least not to me.

Readers should always take police reports with a grain of salt. They are written with an eye to prosecution and they aren't looking for innocent explanations - which may very well exist.

Please don't let the killer be...

Oh.

R86 is right

No, r3 is right.

He was a GOOD kid. He went to church. He was thinking about signing up for college. He was really trying to make it. This isn't HIS fault.

R136, Here's another reason Wint supposedly didn't do it. He doesn't like pizza.

Police are still looking for two suspects in an attempted kidnapping that occurred Thursday in Palos Verdes Estates.

They have released a sketch of one of the suspects, who is described as a white, middle-aged male with a medium build, tan skin and dark brown hair cut close to his head. They do not have any information on the second suspect.

The incident took place at 3:30 p.m. when an 11-year-old boy was walking home from a bus stop near Coronel Plaza and Via Margarita, according to a police report.

A brown Chevy van pulled up alongside the boy and the driver asked for directions to "the promenade."

When the boy took out his phone to look for directions, the driver asked him to come closer to the vehicle so he could hear him better, police said.

As the boy approached the van, he heard the passenger side door open, and he felt a second person grab his backpack from behind and try to pull him into the van, police said.

"From that point on I squirmed and bolted straight to my house," the boy told NBC4.

As he ran, he heard the van speed away from the area.

The boy was not able to see the second person involved in the kidnapping attempt, but he described the van's driver as having a patch of lighter skin on his cheek and said he was wearing a tank top.

Police say the van had three stripes running along the side, and the middle stripe was either white or silver. The van also had tinted windows and brown, horizontal blinds.

A police spokeswoman said there is no "promenade" in Palos Verdes Estates.

Three years later this trial is on. Anyone following?

Daron Wint’s defense now claims that he was set up and framed for the crime by two of his brothers. There’s no evidence supporting this claim, which was not brought up until trial despite Wint sitting in jail for three years. But his defense has to try something.

Daron Wint looks fairly hot in some pics! Where is his Thriving For Justice thread?

a more recent article from the Post:

Can't read because of paywall R140. Do you mind summarizing?

Go incognito - that's what I just did, r141.

I just tried going incognito, r142 -- it doesn't work. Looks like the WaPo uses cookies and only lets subscribers in.

I'm not a subscriber, r143. Clear your browser of all washingtonpost.com cookies and try again. You get 10 or 15 free articles, I believe.

I'm not a subscriber, r143 and I do this all the time with Washington Post.

[bold]Trial in 2015 quadruple slaying of Savopoulos family members, housekeeper set to begin[/bold]

The tragedy in May 2015 permeated the nation’s capital. The bodies of a father, a mother, their 10-year-old son and the family’s housekeeper were found in a burning multimillion-dollar home in a quiet upper Northwest neighborhood, less than a mile from the vice president’s official mansion.

The victims, investigators would soon determine, had been suffocated, beaten, stabbed and set on fire. As shocked residents speculated about who could have committed the crimes — and why — police said they believed it probably would have taken more than one person to carry out the killings of Savvas Savopoulos, 46; his wife, Amy Savopoulos, 47; their son, Philip, 10; and their housekeeper, Veralicia Figueroa, 57.

The break in the case came with an unlikely piece of evidence: a piece of crust from pizza delivered to the home when police say they believe the killer was inside. On it, police said, they found the DNA of a Lanham, Md., man who was a former employee at a Savopoulos family business.

On Tuesday, the trial is set to begin in D.C. Superior Court for that man, the only suspect arrested in the slayings. Daron Wint, 36, is charged with 20 counts, including first-degree murder, kidnapping and other crimes. He has pleaded not guilty.

Federal prosecutors allege that Wint held the victims hostage as he ordered Savvas Savopoulos to have $40,000 delivered to the house as ransom. Wint then killed the victims, prosecutors allege, and made off with the cash, fleeing in the family’s blue Porsche.

But Wint’s attorneys have suggested a stunning defense — pointing the finger at another person. In pretrial hearings and motions, his lawyers with the District’s Public Defender Service said they uncovered evidence implicating someone else as the killer. Over the objections of prosecutors, Judge Juliet McKenna allowed the defense to wait until trial to publicly disclose their alternate suspect’s name. Over the course of a trial expected to last about eight weeks, jurors will decide which version to believe. A panel of nine men and seven women, including four alternate jurors, was selected last week.

Late Friday, defense attorneys filed a motion contending they had learned that D.C. police and the Department of Forensic Sciences may have improperly handled some evidence, including a knife found in the home’s basement. The defense attorneys asked for additional details on how the evidence was handled. As of Monday evening, prosecutors had not yet responded.

Savvas Savopoulos was president and chief executive of American Iron Works, a leading custom steel and iron manufacturing company that helped build Capital One Arena, formerly known as Verizon Center, and CityCenterDC. His wife was a devoted mother who cared for their three children and had an interest in the prevention and treatment of childhood concussions, her friends said.

Philip was a student at St. Albans School in the District. The couple’s teenage daughters, Abigail and Katerina, were away at boarding schools during the attack.

Figueroa, a wife and mother, had moved to the Washington area from El Salvador and hoped to return to her native country, according to her family.

In the months leading up to the trial, prosecutors and defense attorneys filed hundreds of pages of court documents that offer a glimpse of the road map each side plans to follow as they present their cases over the next two months.

Prosecutors said they may call as a witness a D.C. jail inmate who said Wint admitted to him that he participated in the killings with “another individual from Guyana.” Wint was born in the South American country and moved to the United States in 2000 and became a permanent resident after obtaining his green card.

Wint is a onetime employee of Savopoulos’s iron supply company and has a long history of alleged assaults and threatening behavior, according to law enforcement and court records. In the mid-2000s, four people — including his father and a housemate — petitioned for restraining orders against him, the records show.

In court filings, prosecutors gave brief summaries of autopsy reports that describe the brutality of the attacks in the Savopoulos home. There was evidence all three adults had been restrained, according to court papers. Adhesive tape residue was found on Amy Savopoulos’s wrists and ankles and on Figueroa’s wrist. Authorities say they think Savvas Savopoulos’s wrists and ankles were bound with a necktie or zip tie.

Authorities allege Wint held his victims hostage overnight on May 13, 2015. That evening, they say, he forced one of the victims to order a pizza that was delivered to the house by Domino’s. The pizza boxes were later found in a bedroom, according to court papers.

Police said they think the Savopoulos family members and Figueroa were killed on May 14, after the ransom money was delivered by Savvas Savopoulos’s assistant, Jordan Wallace.

Savvas and Amy Savopoulos were both beaten with a baseball bat and stabbed, according to the court papers. Her right middle finger was bruised, injuries consistent with her attacker trying to pull a ring off, prosecutors wrote in court papers.

Authorities think Philip Savopoulos was stabbed with a sword, probably the one his father kept as part of his martial arts collection. Figueroa had been stabbed in the neck but had the fewest injuries. Medical examiners concluded she had a history of heart disease and probably suffered a heart attack during the incident, according to court documents.

Police said in the affidavit for Wint’s arrest that the elaborate crime probably “required the presence and assistance of more than one person.” But there were no additional arrests.

Prosecutors said in court papers that, in addition to the $40,000 and the Porsche, an “unknown amount of money” was taken from Savvas Savopoulos’s wallet. Portions of the home’s electronic security system and two iPhones were also taken.

Authorities say Wint, driving the Porsche, sped down New York Avenue in Northeast Washington into Prince George’s County and then set the car on fire. His DNA was later found on a piece of clothing discovered inside the vehicle, prosecutors said. Prosecutors said he later fled to New York.

When police arrested Wint about a week after the killings, they found at least $10,000 in cash and dozens of lottery tickets in a box truck linked to the group with whom he was traveling. He was with four people, including two family members.

Wint’s attorneys plan to argue that detectives failed to thoroughly investigate the case after Wint’s arrest, missing evidence that they say would have directed them to another suspect.

In their filings leading up to the trial, the defense attorneys also asked for additional information regarding their alternative suspect, who they say gave “false” information to detectives about his whereabouts on the evening of May 13 into the morning of May 14.

Prosecutors have said in the filings that they are seeking life without parole should Wint be convicted.

Family members of the victims declined to speak publicly about the case as it neared trial. Amy Savopoulos’s father, James Martin, has attended the majority of hearings leading up to the trial, including jury selection. Several of Figueroa’s family members have also been in attendance.

The Savopoulos house was restored after the fire and put up for sale. But no buyer emerged. Since then, it has since been razed, leaving an abandoned lot with a couple of “For Sale” signs.

Robin Ficker, a Montgomery County, Maryland attorney and politician, who is an insane hybrid of Trump and Lyndon LaRouche, was Wint’s attorney in the past. He is now running for County Executive and has a decent chance of winning because the Democrats are splitting their votes.

not the DC family I was hoping for

Local TV news station updates -

Nobody's safe when the stupid roam the streets.

But, R149, I bet the patriarch of that family will make a big deal over this case as it's a vicious crime committed by an immigrant.

R93, you idiotic cunt, this is not about politics. You sound like a sociopath.