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Gov. Mike Pence signs 'religious freedom' bill in private

Uhm... like, why are we allowing this to happen?

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by Anonymousreply 156August 31, 2018 10:41 PM

"Religious beliefs" were a large part of rationalizing slavery and racial discrimination, R1.

OP - this law will be battled in the courts, you can be sure.

by Anonymousreply 2March 26, 2015 5:25 PM

Yeah R1 or like if Protestants didn't like blacks, they shouldn't be forced either, right moron !!

by Anonymousreply 3March 26, 2015 5:25 PM

cunts. it's not religious freedom, it's bigotry

by Anonymousreply 4March 26, 2015 5:25 PM

Salesforce CEO Says Company Is ‘Cancelling All Programs’ In Indiana Over LGBT Discrimination Fears

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by Anonymousreply 5March 26, 2015 5:30 PM

Businesses that don't want to serve gays should have to post a sign saying so.

But you know they won't want to as they will then have to withstand criticism and loss of business. So their courage about their convictions is very limited.

by Anonymousreply 6March 26, 2015 5:30 PM

Even Jan Brewer in AZ was against this kind of thing.

IN is now a laughing stock.

by Anonymousreply 7March 26, 2015 5:32 PM

F&F R1, you can go burn in your own hell

by Anonymousreply 8March 26, 2015 5:34 PM

"So their courage about their convictions is very limited."

Same goes for Pence, thus the "private" nature of the signing.

by Anonymousreply 9March 26, 2015 5:34 PM

So... what's there in Indiana that hit the state's bottom line that we can boycott?

by Anonymousreply 10March 26, 2015 5:47 PM

I was hoping the Final Four would be relocated but there's not enough time to move it.

by Anonymousreply 12March 26, 2015 5:58 PM

The NCAA abd their sponsors should have stopped this just like the NFL killed the bill in Arizona by threatening to move the Super Bowl.

by Anonymousreply 13March 26, 2015 5:59 PM

[quote]The NCAA abd their sponsors should have stopped this just like the NFL killed the bill in Arizona by threatening to move the Super Bowl.

and what did you do to help stop it?

by Anonymousreply 14March 26, 2015 6:03 PM

[quote] Race is 100% different from homosexuality. Blacks can be gay, but whites cannot be black. That is why you can't discriminate against race.

So why should we offer protection based on religion? After all, people change their religion all the time. So since religion is a choice, I say let's do away with any prohibitions on discrimination based on religion.

If you're finding yourself being discriminated based on your religion, just change to a different religion. See how easy it is?

R11 You're a moron who obviously were too busy reading 'Guns and Ammo' to pay attention in Civics class.

by Anonymousreply 15March 26, 2015 6:46 PM

R11, you're an idiot, basing judgments based on religious beliefs, something so subjective and ephemeral as to be meaningless in the scope of things, is FAR more dangerous than your bigoted view of what homosexuality brings.

by Anonymousreply 16March 26, 2015 6:50 PM

R11, is flicking his rosebud asshole, naked and straddling a busted office chair in his windowless basement apartment while typing on DL.

by Anonymousreply 17March 26, 2015 7:03 PM

Salesforce guy means business. Good for him

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by Anonymousreply 19March 26, 2015 7:10 PM

Someone please ban R11 and R18.

As I've stated on other boards...Every gay/liberal owned business needs to start using this law against these hypocrites. They need to start refusing business to adulterers, people who have had more than one marriage, people who wear mixed textiles, etc... using their religious liberty as the reason. Create such a clusterf**k that they have no choice but to repeal the law. Give them a taste of their own medicine.

by Anonymousreply 20March 26, 2015 7:19 PM

[quote]But it figures coming from a group of people that get a disease that's 100% preventable.

Which group? Heterosexuals and homosexuals?

by Anonymousreply 21March 26, 2015 7:19 PM

[quote]The only way the system can really work is for businesses to post signs that they will not serve homosexuals on their doors and in their windows so everyone knows and gays can stay away.

Hmmm. Now where have I seen that before?

The orthodox guy standing beside Pence should be ashamed of himself

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by Anonymousreply 22March 26, 2015 7:20 PM

I am R-18 - that was satire!

by Anonymousreply 23March 26, 2015 7:33 PM

R23 / R18

(Some of us figured it out)

by Anonymousreply 24March 26, 2015 7:35 PM

R18....sorry....you can never tell with some of the posters on this site.

by Anonymousreply 25March 26, 2015 7:39 PM

Good for the salesforce.com CEO. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 26March 26, 2015 7:43 PM

I have FFed both, R11 and R18. But, it doesn't make a difference. They will still be able to post here. The only thing you can do is ignore them on the beta site.

by Anonymousreply 27March 26, 2015 7:46 PM

[quote]Denying race is totally different than denying sexual orientation.

Why? I FF'd you, but explain why?

by Anonymousreply 29March 26, 2015 7:52 PM

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? You might want to stop talking to it.]

by Anonymousreply 30March 26, 2015 7:52 PM

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? You might want to stop talking to it.]

by Anonymousreply 31March 26, 2015 7:53 PM

How is race different?

by Anonymousreply 32March 26, 2015 7:55 PM

Religious beliefs should be treated as the mental illnesses that they are, alongside schizophrenia, psychosis and autism.

by Anonymousreply 33March 26, 2015 7:59 PM

discrmination is discrimination. If you must point out the differences in discrimination then what you do is ultimately set up a heirarchy where some discrimination is okay. So when that comes back to bite you on the ass, shut the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 34March 26, 2015 8:00 PM

Oh, R33, the autism trolls and social justice warriors are going to be after your ass.

by Anonymousreply 35March 26, 2015 8:04 PM

First they came for the homosexuals, and I did not speak out, because I was not a homosexual.

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by Anonymousreply 36March 26, 2015 8:07 PM

Chris Kluwe is questioning whether the NFL is planning to hold the annual NFL combine in Indianapolis as it usually does. Having the NFL pull out would be a HUGE impact.

by Anonymousreply 37March 26, 2015 8:10 PM

[quote]Having the NFL pull out would be a HUGE impact.

Having an NFL PLAYER pull out is a huge impact, too.

by Anonymousreply 38March 26, 2015 8:12 PM

lol

by Anonymousreply 39March 26, 2015 8:14 PM

How does Jason Wilde, Aaron Rodgers' mouthpiece feel about this? Someone tweet him and Rodgers!!

by Anonymousreply 40March 26, 2015 8:19 PM

Typical brattish behavior by Indiana republicans. It should be challenged immediately. Indeed, this probably an attempt to waste the time and money of the ACLU rather than a serious policy.

by Anonymousreply 41March 26, 2015 9:07 PM

I remember when IN & OUT came out in the fall of 1997. The movie takes place in Indiana, and a friend thought the premise was very unrealistic. He called the movie "the most bigoted trash" he'd ever seen, because the whole town treats Kevin Kline's character like a leper the moment he's suspected of being gay. My friend thought it was bullshit that no one came to his defense and thought the storyline was akin to a black person living in an all-white town and being ostracized, which would've been fine for 1957, but he thought that by 1997 we had all that behind us.

It's true, as the new millennium was approaching, most everyone thought bigotry was a thing of the past. Little did we know that, in fact, in the new century we'd be dealing with blatant racism we hadn't seen in our lifetimes and all because of a black president, and also homophobia is rampant in the Republican Party -- and they're not afraid to hide it! How naive we all are then.

by Anonymousreply 42March 26, 2015 9:22 PM

Some folks in Indiana should start keeping a running database of businesses known to discriminate against gays and compile it all into a convenient app so locals can avoid these businesses all together. Better yet, they should start organized campaigns on review sites such as Yelp to permanently tarnish businesses that deny services to gays. Let them eat crow, fuck em.

by Anonymousreply 43March 26, 2015 9:28 PM

I wonder if Mr. Pence got himself a male hooker from the yellow pages after his strenuous day of work. You can tell just by looking at him that he pays for it.

by Anonymousreply 44March 26, 2015 9:29 PM

R44 pays for what?

by Anonymousreply 45March 26, 2015 9:35 PM

Are you that daft, r45?

by Anonymousreply 46March 27, 2015 9:49 PM

What does daft mean? Daffy Duck?

by Anonymousreply 47March 27, 2015 10:39 PM

[quote]Uhm... like, why are we allowing this to happen?

A homosexual is somebody who, in 15 years of trying cannot get a pissant anit-discrimination bill through the city council. A homosexual is somebody who knows nobody and who nobody knows. Who has zero clout.

by Anonymousreply 48March 27, 2015 10:42 PM

R23, it was bad satire. I f&Fed you instead of R11.

by Anonymousreply 49March 28, 2015 12:25 AM

Since Indiana hasn't outlawed the right to protest (YET) any business that denies service to anyone gay, should be flooded with protests until they give up their bigoted ways.

by Anonymousreply 50March 28, 2015 12:43 AM

I oppose this law, but it is true to say that racial discrimination is not the same as antigay discrimination. Antigay discrimination usually involves religious or moral judgment about sexual conduct and behavior, whereas racism is judgment about human status, mere state of being. Sexual behavior is one of the things big traditional religions have clear teachings about it, so it is a much more central issue to religion than race. In the big traditional religions, homosexuality is sin that excludes one from heaven. You can't deny the religious prohibitions that have existed for Millenia that necessitate some type of civil compromise.

by Anonymousreply 51March 28, 2015 1:07 AM

r51, racists used the Bible to condemn "race mixing" - integration, interracial marriage, and so forth

by Anonymousreply 52March 28, 2015 2:46 AM

Indiana is full of idiots.

by Anonymousreply 54March 28, 2015 3:21 AM

r53, it's homophobes who want the vulgar cakes to make a point. Remember the "God Hates Homosexuality" cake?

by Anonymousreply 55March 28, 2015 3:25 AM

Meh. More idiots passing unconstitutional laws that will be struck down.

In the meantime, let's find everything manufactured or partially manufactured in Indiana and boycott the shit out of it. Obviously boycott the final four and anything NCAA related, especially their advertisers.

Make them pay a heavy price and see how long it takes these fools to come to Jebus on this issue.

by Anonymousreply 56March 28, 2015 3:26 AM

Isn't southern Indiana the birthplace of the KKK? It's practically Kentucky.

by Anonymousreply 57March 28, 2015 3:26 AM

r52, yes but they did so by either lying about what Scripture said or just plain bad hermeneutics. There is nothing in the Bible forbidding racial intermarriage or fellowship. It forbids believers from marrying believers, but not based on race.

by Anonymousreply 58March 28, 2015 3:32 AM

R53 is a soap FRAU and a regular poster on Lee pace threads

by Anonymousreply 59March 28, 2015 3:33 AM

As a good Catholic and a business owner, I am going to fire anyone who has been divorced. What a great law!

by Anonymousreply 60March 28, 2015 4:56 AM

I know! Why should people who pay taxes be allowed the same rights and freedoms as real Americans!

by Anonymousreply 62March 28, 2015 6:22 AM

R1, no. You seem not to know the difference between secular and religious.

by Anonymousreply 63March 28, 2015 6:32 AM

R18, who wants to serve homosexuals on their doors or in their windows?!

by Anonymousreply 64March 28, 2015 6:36 AM

Ban anyone, like r35, who uses the term "social justice warrior".

by Anonymousreply 65March 28, 2015 6:43 AM

R49 No, it wasn't. You're just an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 66March 28, 2015 6:45 AM

R53, the cake issue is tricky. I think the law should prevent total refusal to serve gays while also allowing the owners to draw the line at what decorations they will agree to.

The SCOTUS must strike down Indiana's law.

by Anonymousreply 67March 28, 2015 6:45 AM

What's next? How do you start the ball rolling to get this overturned?

by Anonymousreply 68March 28, 2015 6:56 AM

FF R61.

by Anonymousreply 69March 28, 2015 7:01 AM

And why hasn't there been more of a fight to amend the Civil Rights Act in order to include gays? Maybe after the marriage ruling? Maybe this kind of bullshit will inspire people.

by Anonymousreply 70March 28, 2015 7:03 AM

R70, a lot of traditional civil rights groups do not want to open up the Civil Rights Act to amendments for a host of reasons. Also, there is still a lot of pushback among Black people who do not think sexual orientation should be equated to race.

by Anonymousreply 71March 28, 2015 12:14 PM

And now Arkansas is about to do the same damn thing, disgusting. Why isn't the fucking NASCAR people speaking out against this?

by Anonymousreply 73March 28, 2015 12:41 PM

bump

by Anonymousreply 74March 28, 2015 2:04 PM

Many closely contested states will introduce a religious freedom bill next year so that the Christian voters and minorities who disagree with the "gay lifestyle" will get out the vote to beat Hillary. It worked with the gay marriage issue; it can work again.

by Anonymousreply 75March 28, 2015 2:24 PM

r75, it didn't work in 2008, when a lot of states had anti-gay shit on the ballots but Obama still won. Most minorities will not vote Repug, anyway

by Anonymousreply 76March 28, 2015 2:29 PM

And gay people will do nothing about it, R75. No politician fears a gay person. None. Because gay people allow these politicians to do these things. No fear is stricken into these people.

by Anonymousreply 77March 28, 2015 2:29 PM

r77, it's not about "fearing" gays it's about the fact that we are a minority. They cater to the majority.

by Anonymousreply 78March 28, 2015 2:31 PM

R59, how is R53 a "regular poster" here? Use the FF button.

by Anonymousreply 79March 28, 2015 2:32 PM

No, R78, we can send a very strong message but don't. Because we are indifferent and afraid.

by Anonymousreply 80March 28, 2015 2:41 PM

r80, no we aren't. It's straights who are indifferent. no one knows exactly how many gay people there are...but most polls show that out gays make up about 2-4% of the population. We aren't a large enough group to get things done on our own, we need straight allies. Most of them don't care enough to help us. Also, people like you attack other gays instead of homophobic or indifferent straights and that's not helping...

by Anonymousreply 81March 28, 2015 2:43 PM

Gay people need to send a strong message to Americans. Where is that "why don't gays get violent?" thread?

by Anonymousreply 82March 28, 2015 2:49 PM

I agree that these hateful people should be made to display a sign stating their hatred and bias. I think if people saw that they will discriminate against certain people, a lot of straights will stay away, too.

Also, if they want to discriminate against GLBTs, they should also be expected to discriminate against divorced people, adulterers, and everybody else that their hate-filled bible has decided is not worthy.

by Anonymousreply 83March 28, 2015 3:16 PM

r81, "out" is the operative word in your message? And guess who isn't "out?"

by Anonymousreply 84March 28, 2015 5:05 PM

This country is getting down-right crazy.

by Anonymousreply 85March 28, 2015 6:07 PM

The gay community gets in its own way the whole fucking time. The downfall continues to be the communal coddling of its closet cases.

by Anonymousreply 86March 28, 2015 8:24 PM

R84, why do you keep defending prejudiced straights?

by Anonymousreply 87March 28, 2015 8:53 PM

I'm not. They're assholes.

by Anonymousreply 88March 28, 2015 9:00 PM

From a straight male perspective, why aren't they happy that gay men, leave more available women for their own conquests, why all the hate?

by Anonymousreply 89March 28, 2015 9:04 PM

Well, if I were a smart gay in Indiana, I would immediately begin asking ALL heterosexuals I do business with that I will require some proof that they are indeed, straight. They only proof that I would deem acceptable is watchng them get a blow job from a meth riddled hooker or Barb Bush. If they can stand that, then they are indeed heterosexual and therefore my religion will allow me to do business with them

by Anonymousreply 90March 28, 2015 9:10 PM

What these arseholes don't realise is that actions like this are what compel gays to stay in the closet. Closeted gays will be marrying their daughters (and sons) whilst getting their piece of same sex nookie on the side. I would think that they would be glad that we are coming out and not using their precious snowflakes as beards.

by Anonymousreply 91March 28, 2015 11:11 PM

Why do gay men vote for Republicans when they hate like this?

by Anonymousreply 92March 28, 2015 11:18 PM

How this issue got warped into being all about gay business I don't know, but there's more to it than that. Knowing Indiana I doubt gays were the intended target. The health care sector is where conflicts have popped up.

R57, the KKK started in Pulaski County, Tennessee.

R60, there's no protection now against a Catholic business firing an employee getting divorced. Outside of California there are very few protections for employees in "at will" positions.

by Anonymousreply 93March 28, 2015 11:38 PM

A change dot org petition to move the Big Ten Football championships out of Indianapolis because of this religious freedom bill.

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by Anonymousreply 94March 29, 2015 12:01 AM

Poor Marcus Bachmann!

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by Anonymousreply 95March 29, 2015 12:46 AM

Put a win in The Christian Taliban column.

by Anonymousreply 96March 29, 2015 12:51 AM

We should just give everyone 24 hours to vacate the state then nuke it into glass.

by Anonymousreply 97March 29, 2015 12:53 AM

To All Posters In The Other 48 States:

Boycott Indiana.

It'll be painless. Trust me.

by Anonymousreply 98March 29, 2015 1:00 AM

R95 Been waiting for this story to hit DL, effeminate heteros, butch straight women, this is your future, based on someone elses judgement, feeling or opinion, all based on religious prejudice !! I love how these things are never thought through & when they come back to bite people, who lawmakers never dreamed would be affected. Between this & Cruz on obamacare, I am grinning ear to ear, this week .....

by Anonymousreply 99March 29, 2015 1:12 AM

Make that The Christian Taliban wins. It will take years to fight it.

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by Anonymousreply 100March 29, 2015 1:28 AM

Living proof, there is no separation of church & state !!

by Anonymousreply 101March 29, 2015 1:35 AM

The irony is that these laws as started by Senator Chuck Schumer and signed by Bill Clinton were intended to extend the separation of church and state.

Native Americans were not being allowed to use peyote in their religious ceremonies. Also sacred ground was being taken away by the federal government.

by Anonymousreply 102March 29, 2015 1:47 AM

And Schumer is supposed to take over the Dem Senate leadership?

by Anonymousreply 103March 29, 2015 2:32 AM

17 other states and the US have similar statutes. This one isn't novel or unique. Why the uproar now? Or if you're truly incensed, why limit your anger to Indiana.

BTW, Bill Clinton signed the US bill in 1993.

by Anonymousreply 104March 29, 2015 3:21 AM

No, R104... that's the talking point the right-wing is pushing, but it's a lie. A false equivalency. The law in Indiana is actually significantly different...

[bold]Indiana’s ‘religious freedom restoration’ law is far broader than RFRA[/bold]

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by Anonymousreply 105March 29, 2015 3:23 AM

R99 The story's not true. There's nothing to smile about.

by Anonymousreply 106March 29, 2015 3:41 AM

R104, why would you post such a lie on a gay website? What's the point? The real information is out there. Did you think we would take your word for it?

by Anonymousreply 107March 29, 2015 3:44 AM

R104 is not very smart. Or just an asshole.

by Anonymousreply 108March 29, 2015 3:57 AM

Thanks r105

by Anonymousreply 109March 29, 2015 1:51 PM

[quote]BTW, Bill Clinton signed the US bill in 1993.

So? Bill Clinton also signed DOMA. There's been a sea change in the public attitude about homosexuality in the last 20 years.

Gov. Pence was on Stephanopolous' show this morning and he double-downed on the law, using the same language as R104. George pressed him for a yes-or-no answer on whether it was okay for a business to refuse service to homosexuals, but he wouldn't respond.

by Anonymousreply 110March 29, 2015 2:39 PM

R110, the other thing to keep in mind is that a president is not going to veto a bill that has 100% of the House and nearly 100% of the Senate. Throwing Cinton's name around as if it is all his fault is dishonest.

by Anonymousreply 111March 29, 2015 2:45 PM

The people who mention Clinton are the same ones who try to associate Democrats with the anti-civil rights movement...because having to go back decades to make your point knowing full-well what each party believes TODAY really makes you look like you're winning the argument.

by Anonymousreply 112March 29, 2015 2:46 PM

[quote]a president is not going to veto a bill that has 100% of the House and nearly 100% of the Senate.

It just goes to show how things have changed. Democrats in the House voted for DOMA by a 118 to 65 margin; Senate Dems voted for it 32-14. That would never happen today -- though I'm sure a majority of Republicans would still support such a measure.

by Anonymousreply 113March 29, 2015 2:52 PM

R104 - you sound like an eight year old.

"Jimmy is doing it why are you mad at me?"

Not to mention your assertion is false. Arizona's Republican governor vetoed that state's religious freedom bill.

WalMart and Apple have publicly criticized the bill currently in the Arkansas legislature.

It's not just Indiana.

Although the concept of religious freedom bills started with Schumer and Clinton - the current scope and intent is vastly different.

by Anonymousreply 114March 29, 2015 3:03 PM

WalMart criticized the bill? Well, it looks like I'll be shopping at WalMart. Good for them.

by Anonymousreply 115March 29, 2015 3:07 PM

WalMart could host gay weddings and I wouldn't shop there.

Being pro-gay shouldn't be the only qualifier for your patronage.

by Anonymousreply 116March 29, 2015 3:29 PM

I hope everyone will take a look at the Governor's interview with George Stephanopoulis (however you spell it) on "This Week"

He wouldn't or couldn't answer the question; "Should it be legal to discriminate against gays and lesbians, yes or no?"

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by Anonymousreply 117March 29, 2015 4:58 PM

I'm never going to watch George...he's just another Republican isn't he?

by Anonymousreply 118March 29, 2015 5:01 PM

R60, you must make sure the divorced employees were married in the Catholic church in the first place. Otherwise, their marriage doesn't count, so the divorce isn't against Church law. You can fire them for having sex outside marriage though, which is also against Church law.

by Anonymousreply 119March 29, 2015 5:34 PM

Doesn't matter R119. It's MY beliefs that count in Indiana. I can fire anyone I please who violates Church law.

by Anonymousreply 120March 29, 2015 5:41 PM

Please don't believe the bullshit about this being a Clinton initiative, or this state bill having anything to do with the federal act of that era, which had decent intentions and bipartisan support, and came from Congress with a veto-proof majority.

These state bills are being promulgated by haters as a litmus test in a last ditch effort by the far right when they know they've lost the real battle. The backlash by corporate interests against their shit just shows how out of step they are.

As soon as some popular eatery refuses service to a known bigot fundie, see how far this movement goes.

by Anonymousreply 121March 29, 2015 5:44 PM

Exactly what kind of a "clarification" is Pence talking about? There is nothing to clarify -- because it seems quite clear that the law allows bigots to discriminate. So, I'm not sure what kind of a fix he is proposing that will somehow make this odious mess all better.

by Anonymousreply 122March 29, 2015 6:09 PM

R120 - what makes you think you can't already do that?

by Anonymousreply 123March 29, 2015 10:27 PM

Honestly the only real solution to this is for Pence to be beheaded in a public square.

by Anonymousreply 124March 30, 2015 5:34 AM

Besides the posted petition, here's what can be done now:

Email Governor Pence - an Indiana address will help. :)

Email the Indiana Tourism Comission - a non-Indiana address will help

Email Eli Liily Co. of Indiana for opposing the law and thank them.

Email NASCAR (Indy 500, get it?)

And/or call all of them and leave a message.

by Anonymousreply 125March 30, 2015 6:17 AM

How would they know if the customer was gay besides asking for a cake?

by Anonymousreply 126March 30, 2015 7:11 AM

NASCAR has nothing to do with the Indy 500.

by Anonymousreply 127March 30, 2015 10:17 AM

Pence is a typical wing-nut who places HIS version of religion before the law. The blow back will bite him and (unfortunately) the state in the ass. His disregard of the constitution, human decency, and ethics is a result of 27% of the population of Indiana voting.

by Anonymousreply 128March 30, 2015 11:03 AM

Unfortunately I think it will blow over. The Final Four people will not move it, that's all about money. So when that's done and Indy makes it's $50 million, it will look like a victory and all will go back to normal and people will pretend to care that discrimination is legal now .

by Anonymousreply 129March 30, 2015 12:00 PM

This is exactly what everybody with human decency is afraid of when *these* Republicans control a state.

Indiana is in the bottom half of states in lowest median household income and percentage of people living below the poverty level. Bottom 10 in college graduates and per capita incarceration rates. Bottom 5 in least green states and percentage of toxic chemicals released into the air and water.

And THIS is what the legislation prioritizes? I saw the signing ceremony, with a crowd of priests, ministers, and rabbis standing around the governor, and it was clear where this came from.

by Anonymousreply 130March 30, 2015 2:22 PM

Just wait until a Mu-slim owned Middle Eastern restaurant refuses to serve a group of Christians. That's when the shit will hit the fan.

And Gov. Pence was disgusting on the George Snuffelupagus show yesterday saying that the protests against this law are "intolerant" and would not even answer a simple "yes" or "no" question.

by Anonymousreply 131March 30, 2015 2:25 PM

[quote]Unfortunately I think it will blow over.

Remember the Sultan of Brunei boycott? Neither does anyone else in L.A. That didn't even last a week.

by Anonymousreply 132March 30, 2015 2:30 PM

[quote]Just wait until a Mu-slim owned Middle Eastern restaurant refuses to serve a group of Christians.

This would never happen. Try something more realistic if you're going to go with hypothetical.

by Anonymousreply 133March 30, 2015 2:34 PM

[quote]How would they know if the customer was gay besides asking for a cake?

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by Anonymousreply 134March 30, 2015 2:38 PM

r117, most Republicans admit it should be legal to fire gays and lesbians, so I don't know why Pence didn't just say it outright. 28 states allow gays and lesbians to be fired because of their sexual orientation, so it is not like it is not the law of most of the land already.

by Anonymousreply 135March 30, 2015 2:38 PM

American white people in power are so fucking evil.

by Anonymousreply 136March 30, 2015 2:42 PM

It won't blow over. People in Indianapolis have long memories. The Pence family are already on the way out.

by Anonymousreply 137March 30, 2015 2:42 PM

The law is already having a terribly negative impact on Indiana. Pence already rues the day he signed his hate bill.

by Anonymousreply 138March 30, 2015 2:43 PM

Expected from a lunatic republican state that is the home of Dan and Marilyn Quayle.

by Anonymousreply 139March 30, 2015 2:46 PM

R139, one looks to the Dan Quayle days of potatoE and Murphy Brown with fondness when comparing it to today's Tealiban sickos.

by Anonymousreply 140March 30, 2015 2:53 PM

The governor's appearance on Stefanopoulos is hilarious. Refusing to answer a yes or no question was very telling. So afraid of alienating his base. George should've pushed harder: "Regardless of the intent of this law, don't the people of Indiana have a right to know your feelings on whether you think it is okay to discriminate against gays?".

by Anonymousreply 141March 30, 2015 3:20 PM

[quote]George should've pushed harder

But that would require journalistic integrity.

by Anonymousreply 142March 30, 2015 3:23 PM

Now there's that dumb cunt in Arizona that wants to make Sunday church attendance MANDATORY for all Americans. What an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 143March 30, 2015 5:35 PM

[quote} Now there's that dumb cunt in Arizona that wants to make Sunday church attendance MANDATORY for all Americans. What an idiot.

What? Who?

by Anonymousreply 144March 30, 2015 7:02 PM

She's backed off R144. It was Republican Sylvia Allen. Just like Republican David Moore who wanted to ban yoga pants. He is now saying it was a joke. Just like many of the 47 Republicans who signed the Cotton letter to Iran are backing off. They're embarrassed about their stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 145March 30, 2015 7:11 PM

The best consequence I have heard so far is that The Church of Cannabis (a recognized religion) can now open a sanctuary in Indiana and anyone who becomes a member of this church can legally smoke weed because their religion allows it. The church founder already filed the paperwork and Indiana was forced to approve it.

by Anonymousreply 146March 30, 2015 7:27 PM

Oh, shut it, you prissy woman-hating fags! You should be killed. Everyone knows gay rights are more advanced than woman's rights.

by Anonymousreply 147March 30, 2015 11:52 PM

The letter to Iran was so stupid...just a show of race hatred...intelligent people recognize that. Frankly, I think many in high places are as dumb, or dumber than beauty queens.

by Anonymousreply 148March 31, 2015 12:29 AM

R125 - you are embarrassing everyone who participated in ACT UP events with your post.

R129 - You have a simplistic understanding of the NCAA. Collegiate athletics can mean big money. That gives the Athletic Departments power. Cultural diversity on college campuses is a big deal also. The last thing Athletic Directors want to do is give University Presidents a chip to play in the power struggle.

Add to that polling shows the younger someone is the more LGBT friendly they are. Athletic Departments and Alumni Associations don't want to piss off the people who will be big donors in twenty or thirty years.

Actually you want to take action? If you went to contact you Alumni Association and tell them to take action. Withhold all contributions until they do.

by Anonymousreply 149March 31, 2015 4:12 AM

I would let Pence fuck me mercessily.

Is that so wrong?

by Anonymousreply 150March 31, 2015 8:16 AM

[quote]Now there's that dumb cunt in Arizona that wants to make Sunday church attendance MANDATORY for all Americans. What an idiot.

Good! Now people will be more moral and dress better on Sundays.

by Anonymousreply 151March 31, 2015 11:27 AM

r144, and you are the type of misogynistic bigot that uses the word "c***."

by Anonymousreply 152March 31, 2015 12:48 PM

That's funny, R146. That's the problem legislators like the ones in Indiana have - they think with tunnel vision and don't consider the unintended consequences. All they're concerned about is getting their needs me.

by Anonymousreply 153March 31, 2015 12:55 PM

Why can’t a bar owner or other small business proprietor have a right to refuse two nelly gays who are holding hands. If it’s an affront to their religious beliefs then then they should have the freedom to refuse service.

by Anonymousreply 154August 31, 2018 10:32 PM

People have a right not to be discriminated against for things that are not of their choosing, r154, like race and sexual orientation.

by Anonymousreply 155August 31, 2018 10:38 PM

R154 is a troll, and a pretty stupid one, judging by his/her only other post on one of the Chris Watts threads. Just F&F and move along.

by Anonymousreply 156August 31, 2018 10:41 PM
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