Did the High Line Ruin Chelsea?

Utter ruination. With and by stupid herds of cows, twats, and breeder posers.

I've never been.

I never went to WTC either. I didn't like the looks of WTC and had no desire to go there. I considered it a hideous tourist trap.

No, she's fine.

The High Line is great. Sure, it's overcrowded but for the same reason MOMA is, people love it.

It's the utter soul-crushing sanitizing blanding of NYC into a city where only the rich can live that is ruining the city, including Chelsea.

The High Line is fine. What ruined Chelsea is pricing out all of the young gays to breathe life into the area.

Yes.

Don't worry, OP, nothing lasts. This is our current wave and then someday it all changes. I'm not saying it will occur in our lives, but nothing is forever.

Does anyone care?

Seen from the street, the Highline looks like a conveyer belt with people on it. I find it a little 'meh' yet people—esp tourists—flock to it like lemmings all day long.

But did it ruin Chelsea? No. It did put the kibosh on Folsom East, because apparently little children could look down and see the goings-on that more or less define Folsom East, and some parents complained.

Clinton, or that woman I worked with in 2005?

r5: The High Line was an integral part of that.

The funny thing is - in a few short years, the High Line will destroy itself as one of things thing people love about it - the spectacular views and light - will be choked off by the high-rises planned around it.

I was there this morning. It's kind of depressing. A glass and concrete jungle with a path I between of weeds that don't get much sun.

"It did put the kibosh on Folsom East, because apparently little children could look down and see the goings"

It's not the High Line that ended Folsom East. It's the people in the apartment building that had to walk through the closed street to get to their apartments.

[quote] The High Line is great. Sure, it's overcrowded but for the same reason MOMA is, people love it.

Europeans especially. On both fronts.

It didn't ruin Chelsea. The area had started changing long before tourists started flocking to the High Line.

8th Ave is like a wasteland with closed shops and empty sidewalks. Sort of depressing.

At least the breeders haven't begun invading HK.

Chelsea has it's problems. Plenty of them. But the High Line isn't one of them. The problems precede the High Line. And, apart from the High Line being a victim of its own success, it's fucking beautiful and fits into the exclusive category of things NYC has gotten right in the last decade.

Is it still crowded?

Are the people there NYers or tourists?

Chelsea Piers did.

Who could predict that tourists wanted to walk around on a former train track and look down their noses at Manhattan's public housing?

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? You might want to stop talking to it.]

You think it was a picnic for me, R20?

R18 is partly right, but the High Line cinches it. Those twats, the insipid consumerists and the posers. Lord.

The creators told small businesses that it would be great for them. Tourists would flock to their shops and restaurants. It never happened. People walk the High Line, then get back on the subway.

Actually r23, I think it boosted business for Chelsea Market. But that's about it.

People who live in apartments built next to the High Line after it opened, bitch and moan about tourists looking in their windows.

They also kvetch about an FDNY ambulance garage under the High Line. When it's moved across town to Bellevue and they need help, don't complain then.

r19, don't you badmouth public housing. I grew up in Chelsea projects.

What's the status of the underground version of the High Line?

Link please.

"I grew up in Chelsea projects."

And from the size of your ass, it looks like you've been eating one.

Breeders WILL take over HK, it's only a matter of time.

The gays are moving to Harlem.

The Highline is proof that NYC can stil execute big municipal projects. Chelsea only existed as a gay neighborhood for a brief time. I am not so blasé and jaded that I can't bring myself to gush about the utter fabulousness of the Highline.

[quote]The Highline is proof that NYC can stil execute big municipal projects.

hahahahahaha!

Chelsea was ruined by a horny Jew with a jailbird father.

R32 is so New York. Anything new or newish must of course be superb and gushed over. The new exhibit, the new restaurant, the new dog run. It gets tiresome. The Highline is an above ground walkway flanked by native plantings. The end. And now it's surrounded by buildings which turn it into a shadowed, crowded corridor. Nothing to see, nothing to do.

The gays have already been priced out of Harlem.

Mott Haven in the Bronx is the new Williamsburg and Bushwick. Lotsa gays will be movin' on up.

New York ended in the '90s. Who cares?

I am forever amazed by the flyover resentment and loathing of all things NY. Sad.

[quote]I am forever amazed by the flyover resentment and loathing of all things NY. Sad.

Oh, my sides.

No. But she was ruined just the same.

R32

What "big project" exactly did NYC execute with the High Line? Stopping the thing from being torn down and converting into a "park" hardly qualifies IMHO.

Now the mess that is Houston Street is more of an example of how the City executes big projects. Then there is the number 7 subway line extension...

walking to the Eagle has never fleet so Fresh!

R36

Gays are still moving to Harlem, but you are also seeing more and more also going to Inwood and Washington Heights.

Marry me, R41.

Here's all the glamour of the High Line.

Ugh, r46. I hate the current style of glass-box buildings. So ugly.

Houston street? What's going on there, IDunno?

Did it ruin Chelsea? Of course not!

There was milk and toast and honey, and a bowl of oranges, too. And the sun poured in like butterscotch, and stuck to all my senses.

Sounds like a perfectly lovely morning, if you ask ME.

Chelsea was and never will be all that. The High Line is okay. At least you won't get mugged over there now.

Not mugged over there. I don't think you're familiar with the area. For a while, pedestrians were targets for people in the low income housing on 16th street getting stuff dropped on their heads.

I can't believe Bloomberg didn't do something about the housing projects in prime Manhattan locations. I really thought that would've been at the top of his list.

What could he do, R52? We're stuck with them. The residents deserve better facilities though, they're absolutely dismal inside. Where's the humanity?

If you are a millionaire yeah it improves it

What R16 said.

Bloomberg ruined NYC.

That whole area has become tourist hell. Thanks, High Line. Who's making money from the High Line? Most of the long-time merchants are being forced out. Where has money been changing hands?

The decline of Chelsea piers is the big problem. Too many "families with children"

You are a gem R41.

Thoughts four years later?

Interesting critique below.

"The High Line has become a tourist-clogged catwalk and a catalyst for some of the most rapid gentrification in the city’s history."

It’s fine. But other than the novelty , I don’t get it. Packed to a dangerous level on weekends - almost like waiting in a line to see something,p but there’s nothing there.