Hillary shouldn't run

Can you imagine 8 years of pant suits?

Get used to it bitches. You have eight years of presidential pantsuits ahead of me, and you know damned well no one can stop me.

Were you asleep for the last two days Mrs. Clinton? Look what happened!!!!

Elizabeth Warren should run!

Elizabeth Warren reminds me of Mrs Beasley dolls.

[quote]Were you asleep for the last two days Mrs. Clinton? Look what happened!!!!

You clearly don't know much about politics, do you? This usually happens in midterm elections with lame duck presidents. It even happened in 1986 when Reagan was in his second term.

Any honest pundit will tell you the Democrats have the next presidential elections sewn up for quite a while.

It happen in 2006 and then the other party won in 2008.

HRC better fucking run, for one reason only - to appoint new Supreme Court Justices.

[quote]She will end her career as a loser

Since she started as one, ending as one is no surprise.

Hillary will motivate Dems to turn out much like Obama. It will be an historic election and hopefully we can take the Senate back, assuming enough seats are in play.

[quote]Elizabeth Warren should run!

Yes, because Democratic Presidential nominees from Massachusetts have done so well lately.

NPDs have a strange relationship with time, and when they are in charge, it never seems to pass except in that everyone and everything gets older.

Hillary is very 25 years ago -- 25 YEARS -- but you'd never know it from either her behavior or that of her supporters.

25 YEARS you disordered little rats. 25 YEARS.

The OP us a freeper and so are multiple peeps posting on this thread. They post such things precisely because Clinton beats everyone hands-down in the 2016 polls. To short be followed by new threads on her age, sanity, cankles. Republicans are scum fuckers. But they're transparent scum fuckers.

[quote]Clinton beats everyone hands-down in the 2016 polls.

What *everyone*? The Dems settled on Hillary back in 2010?

What choice?

It's true she is leading by a country mile.

Fingers crossed.

"hey post such things precisely because Clinton beats everyone hands-down in the 2016 polls"

Right--just as she did in 2006, 2 yrs before the primaries. Whoop de fucking do. Right now, the polls are basically name recognition based &, for better or worse, there are few Americans who don't know who she is.

I like Clinton but I'd rather vote for another Democrat.

Aren't there any other people who can be president other than Bushes and Clintons?

Tedious juveniles who think that debate consists solely of pejoratives and harangue do complete disservice to the causes they claim to support.

So, OP, tell me who the republicans have that can beat Hillary?

Tipper Gore could be her running mate!

Tomorrow, millions of Americans will go to the polls to cast their vote for governors, senators, congressmen, and races down the ballot. Inexplicably, many of these voters will choose candidates from the Republican party, despite that choice defying all sense and logic. So many voters will choose the GOP that Republicans may end up running both houses of Congress. Let’s review the ways that this is hilarious.

There is a serious climate crisis facing the planet. Arctic ice is disappearing. Islands are being lost forever to rising sea levels. Species are becoming extinct. Our weather is increasingly disastrous. And yet it is the official position of the Republican party and nearly all of its elected officials that climate change is not real, that people aren’t the cause, and that scientists and environmentalists are perpetrating a hoax on the American people. If Republicans win the Senate, James Inhofe of Oklahoma, a virulent climate change-denier will run the committee that writes laws to protect our environment. Don’t vote for people who think the scientific method is less reliable than remembering that one time it was cold in January. It’s ridiculous. The Republican party as a whole still opposes gay marriage. They also oppose legislation that keeps business owners from firing gay people. They support people who claim they have the right to discriminate against gay people because not allowing them to discriminate is a violation of their religious liberty. Small children know that it is wrong to discriminate against people and not let couples who love each other get married. Republicans are worse than small children, and as the father of two of them I can assure you that small children are terrible. You wouldn’t vote for a small child, so don’t vote for Republicans. Republicans love war. The last president started two of them. John McCain tries to start a war every time someone walks past his house. There isn’t a problem outside our borders that Republicans think you can’t solve by dropping lots of bombs and shooting lots of bullets.Wars are terrible. Why would you vote for people who want to start them?

Republicans want to tell women they can’t have abortions. Who cares if women have abortions? What damn business is it of yours if a woman doesn’t want to be pregnant? What, you think she should have to carry a baby to term and raise it just because she had sex? What the hell is wrong with you? Get out of people’s business and raise your own damn children, Republicans. They also want to make it harder for women to get birth control and make sex education less useful, which means that more women who don’t want to get pregnant will get pregnant, and then need abortions Republicans don’t want them to get. Does that sound like it doesn’t make any sense to you? Good, it doesn’t. Stop voting for people who don’t make any sense.

Republicans still think the solution to every economic problem is to cut taxes for very rich people and cut services for very poor people. This defies not just common sense but literally all science and life experience on the subject. Rich people already have a lot of money, and when you give them more, they hold on to it. When you cut services for the poor, they can’t afford to buy anything but what they absolutely need. Anyone who thinks tax cuts for the rich will solve an economic crisis shouldn’t be allowed to operate an automobile, let alone hold the power to make public policy. Conservative economic dogma is as dumb as their belief that hurricanes are caused by gay people, which is a thing some of them actually believe. Don’t vote for people who think tax cuts for the wealthy will solve problems.

Republicans think it was super mean that President Obama got everyone access to health insurance. What can you even say to that?

For some reason, people in America are going to vote for the people who believe things that are terrible and wrong, and they’re going to put those people in charge of our country, and those people will do terrible things that hurt a lot of people. What could be more ridi

Even Bill can't stand her. He never could. He sticks his dick into any hole he can find, except hers.

[quote]After the catastrophic damage Obama has done there is no way we will allow that fucking cunt bitch to step into the white house. It's going to take our party years to undo the damage that DemoRats have done.

Please list the damage R20.

C'est un vrai connard, r24, you'll never get a intelligent reply!

Pack it up Hillary, OP has spoken. Ignore the polls in your favor, with such strong arguments made by the OP, how could you even contemplate running? You'd have to be insane to ignore such thoughtful expert advice.

[quote]there is no way we will allow that fucking cunt bitch to step into the white house.

You sound charming, R20.

I really have no problem with Hillary, & I certainly wish her no ill will. However however it is obvious that she has gotten to where she is in life by 'riding' Bill's coat tails. She worked at a law firm in fly over country, became a carpet bagging senator, and was appointed secretary of state.what did she actually accomplish as Senator or Secretary of State? Nothing.

Bwahahah! Next time say it en Espanol, Columba!

I see our Freepers are done with President Obama and have pivoted to freeping about Mrs. Clinton.

Exactly, r30!

Who are the GOP alternatives to Hillary? Rand Paul? Jeb Bush? Ted Cruz? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Actually it is the nation that is done with Obama. Approval slipped to 36%. On his way to W territory...

Meaningless drivel, r33. His approval rating means nothing since he is never running for office again.

But keep on marching for your fuehrer Karl Rove and Fox News!

Don't forget the clenis.

[quote] Actually it is the nation that is done with Obama. Approval slipped to 36%. On his way to W territory...

Notice there is no link, just an unsupported assertion.

I'll provide a link. And it shows that R33 is lying.

Nearly every Democratic candidate she stumped for in the mid term elections lost. Hillary, Bill, Joe Biden and Michelle Obama all came to MA to campaign for Martha Coakley multiple times and she still lost to the Republican opponent.

The fear HRC is causing in Republicans must be very comforting to her.

Why spend so much time and energy on her if she is a threat?

And nothing will change in the next two years at all, r37.

I think Hillary would lose. The party base is just not excited about her

She's bringing scrunchies back.

The gains of the Republican party are not really that special. They won states they take anyways and had to spend a TON of money to do it. Obama won the presidency second term when Republican strategists were all thinking Romney had it sewn up.

Half the people on this thread are acting as though Clinton already has the nomination.

In 2007, Clinton was far in the lead in Democratic preference polls and Giuliani was far in the lead in Republican polls.

Look what happened.

In polling prior to the actual beginning of the primary and caucus season, the person with highest name recognition often comes in first. That doesn't mean they will go on to win the nomination.

No one is saying she has it sewn up.

We are making fun of the Freepers who are insisting she can't win.

There is a difference. Pay attention.

"The gains of the Republican party are not really that special. They won states they take anyways and had to spend a TON of money to do it. Obama won the presidency second term when Republican strategists were all thinking Romney had it sewn up."

If you look at a map of the USA broken down into red vs. blue states, it's jolting. The Republicans won Senate seats, House seats and governorships in states that are historically Democratic.

[quote] Nearly every Democratic candidate she stumped for in the mid term elections lost.

And Ronald Reagan launched his political career by giving a nationally televised speech passionately endorsing...Barry Goldwater. So what?

It's what politicians do, they go out on the stump for other politicians. It's called paying your dues.

Name one potential Republican candidate who can 1) win the nomination and then 2) take away a blue state from the Democrats (BTW, the Republican will need to take back Ohio, Florida, Virginia PLUS one more to get to 270).

Chris Christie? The far right will never forgive his 'folding' on gay marriage, acceptance of Medicaid expansion, and the fact that he hugged the Black guy. Plus his numbers are underwater in NJ.

Jeb Bush? Toxic family name, plus he last ran for elected office in 2002, and hasn't served since 2007.

Rand Paul? Ted Cruz? Mittens? Who out there is capable of beating Hillary in 2016?

Are you people insane???

Clintons are never losers. They pick their fat asses off the ground and go for it again again -- they never accept defeat, never.

If Hillary runs and loses, she'll be on top again in the future in another position.

God, you people are ignorant.

[quote]The party base is just not excited about her

The party base has learned from Obama that "identity" candidates are merely fronts and stooges. We resent this, and will get those behind it sooner rather than later.

So you'd better marry Asians and get ready to defect to China.

[quote]No one is saying she has it sewn up. We are making fun of the Freepers who are insisting she can't win.

Oh dichotomy. Thy name is flogging a very dead horse.

I don't think she is electable. Don't get me wrong, I will support her and vote for her if it comes down to it but I can't help feeling like there has to be a more viable candidate out there. I have a feeling she will run with Cuomo, and he will turn off a lot of people.

This is a Freeper thread.

Yes she should. She's tough and the best hope for Dems to get into WH after Obama.

We certainly as hell don't need her or any other Dem in office ~ They've fucked our country enough already ~

I hope she runs and kicks ass. First woman in the White House. Two times over. The Republicans are HOPING with all their might she doesn't run. Guess what bitches? She is going to be the first female president of the US. Deal with it. You never thought a black man would get there? Well watch this space.

Hillary campaigned for 47 candidates. On Tuesday 30 weren't elected.

R54 Delusion Hill fangurl

R55, Hillary is not responsible for useless candidates. How can you blame her for all those losses? Hillary wasn't running, she was just showing support. That doesn't influence voters in the same way as her actually being on the ticket.

R56, I'm not delusional. You're just running high on the toxic fumes of your recent "win" which quite frankly isn't much of a win at all.

This was a mid-term election in a two-term president's second term. Anyone who thinks it will have any lasting affect on the 2016 presidential race is a buffoon with no political sense or concept of history. Voter turnout is always low in midterm elections, which also historically favors conservatives who appeal to the white, elderly voters who never miss an election.

What happened Tuesday was the same clockwork political alignment that happens in every two-term President's second term. It's called "voter fatigue"; they're tired of the status quo and want a balance and a tighter rein on the outgoing President and his party. It is a fleeting wave from a petulant electorate with a very short memory. It has no bearing on the next race.

R59 is precisely correct.

She needs to run. She's GOT to run.

Because I am looking forward to all the sexist bullshit that comes out of peoples mouths when she does.

Maybe just maybe that will motivate the women in this country to stand up for their rights and the rights of all women. If that happens then the world has a chance. If not the women in this "free" country will stand by and watch while us men finish destroying US.

Hillary remains the Dems ONLY chance to win the Presidency in 2016.

You might not love her, but she's it. PERIOD

Otherwise it's 4-8 years of Chris Christie or another Bush brother.

r54, Ooops we forgot your morning meds. Time to double up during lunch

[quote] Hillary remains the Dems ONLY chance to win the Presidency in 2016.

Why would that be?

Did you say the same thing about 2008?

And what is wrong with pantsuits? I work with women from their early 20s to their 60s and they all wear pantsuits at least sometimes. I think they look nice. Are they out of fashion?

Everyone comparing 2016 to 2008: where is your new Obama? Where is the once-in-lifetime political sensation who arose from obscurity at the last national convention? They would be halfway through their Senate term by now, or in a similar, high profile position on the national stage by now. The election is less than two years away now, and primaries begin in 14 months.

Hmm? Can't think of his or her name right now? Because everyone knew who Barack Obama was at this point in 2006, and he had already been identified as a strong contender for the national ticket.

Who is this rising young politician who's going to steal the base right out from under Hillary, like Obama did 7 years ago? Oh, that's right: THEY DON'T EXIST. As someone with a brain who actually understands politics, I know this.

Hillary is the front runner, and there is virtually no other candidate in the Democratic Party who could topple her at this point. Stop bringing up 2008. You only reveal your ignorance with that argument.

I think Martin O'Malley has a decent chance, R66.

I'm aware that some are saying that because the newly elected Maryland Governor is a Republican, it's been some sort of "blow" to O'Malley's possible Presidential candidacy. I don't see that.

You're comparing Martin O'Malley with Barack Obama circa 2007, R67?

How many 18-24 year-olds do you think have heard of Martin O'Malley? What percentage of minorities do you imagine will be drawn to the polls for the first time in their lives to vote for...Martin O'Malley?

Hillary is not going to be toppled by an old white career politician that no one outside of Maryland knows, for crissakes.

Whoever runs, it will be a lot easier for them now.

If the choice comes down to Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton (which seems like the most likely outcome) I am writing in Mickey Mouse or not voting at all. I can't bring myself to vote for crime family Bush who stole the 2000 and 04 elections, orchestrated the 9/11 attacks as a family affair involving W., Marvin and family friend Cheney, then made billions for their buddies on pointless wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, as well as having ties to both the Reagan and Kennedy assassinations. I don't care how smart or politically astute Jeb may be, he and that family aren't getting back in the White House to inflict more damage on this country.

Hillary Clinton is just as crocked, she has just as many skeletons in her closet from her involvement in the coverup of Fukushima radiation as Secretary of State, her role as a Walmart board of director and the blood money she earned from that at the expense of the working poor, her shady real estate dealings in Arkansas (White Water), the suspicious deaths of several campaign operatives (Vince Foster and others), her ties to Wall Street bankers, her hardline pro-Zionism stance which will put us at war with Iran in her first year in office, the Bengazi business, all of these things paint the portrait of a opportunist crook who will do whatever it takes to gain and hold onto power. But more then the sum of her scandals, I find her general tone of contempt towards the voters, talking down to voters in stump speeches like they are retarded fools to be her most unpalatable trait. She is just an unlikable candidate and even more so among women her target demographic.

Plus she has had 8 years in the White House already, the Bush family 12 years (20 if you count Bush Sr.'s time as VP). Both Jeb & Hillary are the antithesis of change and both families have used their time in office to personally enrich themselves becoming mufti-millionaires ON the public's dime. The re-election of either family will represent 30 plus years of rule under the same two families. We are becoming as backwards and dynastic as some Middle East countries where people like Hosni Mubarak of Egypt or Gen. Suharto of Indonesia hold control of a country for decades. How democratic is that? We can not in good conscience keep voting for the same two families and getting the same lousy results.

Right, r70. You aren't a Freeper at all.

BENGHAAAZZIIIII!

[quote] You're comparing Martin O'Malley with Barack Obama circa 2007, [R67]?

Where did I ever do that?

I said that there are Democrats who can compete with Hillary in the primaries.

She is old and showing her age, was never particularly good at campaigning, and often comes across as thin-skinned and out-of-touch.

Once we get to 2016, the debates will begin and the candidates will be out stumping the country. People will take a closer look and may well rethink their support.

Front-runners often stumble & fall and not always or not just to charismatic newcomers.

If Dems want to win, they have to run a white male.

r70, nothing infuriates me more than a false equivalency troll.

Nothing.

So next time you're in town, I'm going to make you eat my ass without cleaning it out first. Then I will videotape it and force you to vote for the Democratic ticket unless you want it posted online.

See, the Dems ARE learning Republican tactics...!

FF, R20!

How do Freepers even find this board? Seriously. Do they just get bored of the Free Republic/Fox New comment threads and Google, "Gays chatting about politics"?

It's really weird how many of them (mostly closet cases, I'm guessing) have infested this website.

[quote]Elizabeth Warren should run!

No, she shouldn't. She has even less political experience than Obama had in 2008. Much as I love Obama, his lack of experience showed.

Hillary should make her Treasury Secretary.

[quote] Hillary should make her Treasury Secretary.

As though Hillary Clinton would ever appoint anyone not an investment banker.

As though Hillary Clinton will ever manage to get elected.

[quote]Where did I ever do that?

When you responded directly to my post asking who could possibly be this election cycle's game-changer-of-the-century capable of toppling Hillary Clinton, with an old white male career politician that 99% of the country has never heard of.

[quote]Front-runners often stumble and fall

They do? Who are you thinking of? Gary Hart? Or the GOP's early 2012 game of musical chairs fueled by a futile anybody-but-Romney movement? Because Hillary Clinton is not Gary Hart, and she sure as hell isn't Michelle Bachmann/Herman Cain/Rick Perry et al.

Who are the these presidential front-runners who "often fall," excepting the anomalous examples I've cited?

What if she runs and falls. She'll be all like "I've fallen and I can't get up."

She'll be the first president who has a grandchild.

It is very possible that Hilary won't get the Democratic nomination. Two years is a long time and it is true that lots of Democrats don't like her.

But if it isn't Clinton, then no Democrat will win and I'm starting to get that sick feeling that President Chris Christie, Scott Walker or Jeb Bush will be smiling down on us for four years.

Elizabeth Warren (who I like) would be crushed in a landslide.

No new on the scene candidate will win in 2016. After Obama, the country will be looking for someone experienced possibly with a "tough guy" image. That does describe Hilary. But she'll be out toughed by assholes like Christie.

Let's enjoy the last two years of Obama's Presidency folks. There's no guarantee that Democrats have a lock on the White House contrary to rumor.

Won't she be,like, 100 years old when she finishes 8 years?

Christie doesn't have a chance in hell. He's got too much baggage with Bridgegate and his form of brash swagger won't play well in the South and Midwest.

r53 is completely insane. Of course, he will refuse Medicare, Social Security, Worker's Comp/Unemployment, etc., because....DEMOCRATS!

[quote] Who are the these presidential front-runners who "often fall," excepting the anomalous examples I've cited?

Well, R80, I've gone back to think and it's true, I can't come up with a lot. There was Muskie in 1972, Dean in 2004, Giuliani in 2008, as well as the examples of Hart and Clinton that you mentioned.

But calling O'Malley old is just silly. He was born in 1963.

O'Malley is one fucking hot dad.

Andrew Cuomo will be our next President.

.

Age will probably be the big issue used against Clinton. I don't sure why Democrats are so eager to tear her down. It's not like there's an amazing candidate waiting in the wings to take on the Republicans. I get why the Repubs hate her though. She's the best bet to beat them in 16.

She can run but she won't win. Democrats don't trust her.

R90 Won't she be the same age as Reagan when he took office? Everyone is so quick to forget.

She's better then nothing but in the Primary, I won't vote for her.

I think Hillary should run, but only because I don't see any other Democrats who are in position to raise the money needed or mount a successful campaign. And I think Hillary will probably win in 2016, but only because the Republicans don't have an electable candidate. She will basically become president by default, not because Americans are thrilled about the prospect of a Hillary presidency.

O'Malley got hurt bad but Maryland defeating his lt. governor. Andrew Cuomo turned in a lackluster performance on Tuesday. Basically the only winner amongst democrats after Tuesday was HIllary Clinton.

She's like 100 years old now.

Definitely step aside.

Thank you, Freeperella/Trollina at R96.

Hell, even Bill don't want that old fat bitch.

R96 = math challenged

In the immortal words of Cokie Roberts, Chris Christie will never be president.

This thread is one big stereotype.

THREAD CLOSED.

Hillary, love her or hate her, is the next President of the United States.

One thing about the Clintons, they get shit done. They have made some shitty compromises that inspired justifiable criticism but the bottom line is they are effective and have learned from bitter experience how DC works.

How many people could withstand a 4 billion dollar quarter century smear campaign and still be not only viable but a front runner?

And its both of them that will be Pres btw, its always been a package deal.

OK, I'll bite. Why is it you think Clinton will not win? Make your argument.

R82 writes,

[bold]It is very possible that Hilary won't get the Democratic nomination. Two years is a long time and it is true that lots of Democrats don't like her.

But if it isn't Clinton, then no Democrat will win and I'm starting to get that sick feeling that President Chris Christie, Scott Walker or Jeb Bush will be smiling down on us for four years.

Elizabeth Warren (who I like) would be crushed in a landslide. [/bold]

Then we should be okay with a Republican winning the presidency in 2016.

Think about what has materialized after 2008.

In 2010, 2012, and 2014, shifts were toward the Republicans.

The 2012 presidential election saw Barack Obama re-elected with a lower electoral-vote score (only the second commander in chief in history re-elected to such second-term victory of reduced support) and popular-vote margin even with the Democratic gains for U.S. Senate and House seats.

The midterm congressional elections of 2010 and 2014 does not need explanation.

Part of what is explains a "wave" is that the incumbent White House party's base has some issues — that they are unhappy — with the leadership of the party. And they don't feel inspired to back that White House party in midterms. (Yes, it's common the president's party loses seats; but, not at all common to the degree of losses as experienced from 2010 and 2014.)

One is hallucinating if he thinks the Republican Party will not win the presidency ever again. That was the case with many Republicans, while that party was hot during the 1980s, who thought the Democrats would never win again.

I am concerned about the [italic]policies[/italic] from elected leaders of the Democratic Party. For the base, which is liberal, and they are young, not to be there for support to the degrees as shown from these exit polls (in which the older voting-age groups, 45 to 64 and 65 and over, comprised two-thirds the size of the vote state after state) says that the incumbent White House and majority Senate party is wrong in their policies. (The Republicans experienced this in 2006. All six of their flipped seats came with the unseating of incumbents from Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Virginia.)

So, a figure like Elizabeth Warren [italic]cannot[/italic] win the presidency. Well, if the populous themes of an Elizabeth Warren or a Bernie Sanders, which should be the direction of the Democratic Party, cannot win the presidency — even in a year where the party is definitely going to win the presidency (as was historically obvious from 2008) — then the Democratic Party should officially die.

The Clintons get shit done for corporations. Fuck them to hell and back.

The Dems have no one else who can win. The Repugs also have no one who can beat her.

I love Hillary. I wanted her in 2008, 2012--and I still do. I understand the desire for someone new, but face it girls, there just isn't anyone else who can win in 2106.

When a Democrat does things that the Republicans like, they don't get resistance. When Democrats try to get something done for the people, the Democrats hit a brick wall. So what have we learned? The Clintons are pretty much, Republicans.

Do you really believe that if the Dems nominated Warren or Bernie Sanders they are guaranteed to win in 2016. And they should disband as a party if Bernie Sanders doesn't win?

OP is what we know in the industry as "an idiot".

R104 / R106, Trolldar is not your friend.

[quote] The 2012 presidential election saw Barack Obama re-elected with a lower electoral-vote score (only the second commander in chief in history re-elected to such second-term victory of reduced support) and popular-vote margin even with the Democratic gains for U.S. Senate and House seats.

This is utterly meaningless.

And who refers to the President as the commander in chief. Weird.

What a contemptuous argument r110

What on earth do you mean, R111?

Bill dying between now and 2016 would help her campaign enormously.

Sadly R113, that is true. People are stupid enough.

If he doesn't start eating some meat, he will die...big dummy.

I agree with whomever said all our presidents from now on, will be Democrats. The only way we will lose is if some independent splits our vote.

[quote]I agree with whomever said all our presidents from now on, will be Democrats. The only way we will lose is if some independent splits our vote.

Then Obama had better lib up, stop worrying about illegal foreigners and get Americans some jobs.

Hillary was bemoaning the fact she left her easy job as a Senator.

Hillary is driven, ignoramus R117. She'll won't settle for anything cushy or easy.

"Hillary was bemoaning the fact she left her easy job as a Senator."

Then let's give her a do over.

Hillary is all mad cause she though Oprah was her friend and Oprah made Obama president.

I predict a Nelson Rockefeller-like exit for Bill. The NYPD will find him naked on top of a blonde in her twenties one afternoon, unable to be revived.

Poor old Bill has Pump Head -- they will find him atop of a delusional 65 year old street lady whom he thinks is a 20 something blonde.

Former Boston Mayor Menino's funeral had to be delayed on Monday because Bill Clinton decided at the last minute to come by and pay his respects and of course he was late.

R122, Rudolph Giuliani got rid of all the "street ladies."

18 months from now the great American voter will be fed up with the Republicans and will be seeking comfort in Hillary's ample bosom.

In a Democratic pigs eye, R125.

"Hillary's ample bosom."

I'd substitute sagging for ample.

The American people do not want to see a second Clinton in the White House anymore than they want to see a third Bush.

I'm all for lots of bush in the White House.

Three bad jokes in a row, eh, R129?

I'm here all week, try the veal.

I actually think she should run. Well, only so I can see her lose again.

Hillary is not the Dems' most electable option. People are tired of the disfunction in Washington and they blame all the players. Hillary has been in Washington in one form or another for over 20 years. She is seen as part of the problem. The Dems should nominate a governor who isn't tainted by any of the disfunction in Washington and will run as a fresh face willing and able to get things done (of course, as long as the GOP holds on to at least one house of Congress, no one will be able to get things done, but I digress). Jay Inslee in Washington state and John Hickenlooper in Colorado spring to mind. And it's a shame that Jerry Brown is so old.

Hillary won't run, she's not in good health.

Okay, all you Hillary naysayers. If you don't want Hillary to run--or don't think she can win, then name some Democratic candidates who can win the presidency in 2016.

Please list candidates' names who you truly believe have a viable chance to win--not just names who you'd like to see run (who may possibly lose).

I hope she loses. I'm so sick of this power hungry warhawk.

Nothing sadder then watching the gays lick the Clintons' shitters. They hate you. They'd put a pink triangle on you and gas you in a second if they thought it would help them get elected.

Neither is Bill, and who would make an ideal running mate for her?

Joe Biden

Al Franken turned out to be more moderate than expected, so he's out -- we need a true liberal.

A geriatric nurse would be her best running mate.

Presidential elections will now swing Democrat. Dems have the popular and electoral vote advantage of highly populated states.

Congressional elections will now swing Republican. Gerrymandering and midterm turnout is to their advantage.

We have a reverse 80s situation going on now. Back then, Republicans ruled presidential elections and Dems ruled Congress.

[quote] She'll be the first president who has a grandchild.

You are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance.

Eisenhower had 3 grandchildren when he took office in January, 1953, and another was born in 1955.

Jimmy Carter's grandson was born before he was elected president in 1976, and two more grandchildren were born while he was in office.

Ronald Reagan had one grandson, Cameron, when he was elected in 1980.

George HW Bush had several grandchildren (remember 'the little brown ones'?)

FDR also had many grandchildren.

The list goes on

Hilary is a reptile.

According to Realclearpolitics' poll average, Hillary beats Jeb Bush by 9.9%, Paul by 8.5%, Christie by 9.4% and Cruz by 13.8% and Rubio by 11.5%. Warren and Biden lose to almost all of them in most polls. It is Hillary or bust for the Democrats in 2016!

I totally agree with the OP.

Every time I've said something to this effect, I've been called a freeper and told to fuck off back to Fox News.

The Dems have NO ONE but Hillary. I just don't think she can win, and I would imagine that if she thinks that, she won't run.

We need to forget the Clintons and find some new blood. Most of which lost on Tuesday night.

R142 Indeed, the Clintons are basically the Democrat equivalent of IKE and Nixon, with Bill as the former, Hillary the latter. Ike had a Democratic congress for all but his first 2 years, Nixon a Democratic congress throughout his presidency. Reagan did have a GOP Senate for his first 6 years, but lost it for his last 2, like Obama did this week

There likely won't be another Democratic president for quite sometime after amnesty is granted. Hillary will go down in flames and I'd love to see it.

So who is going to run when Hillary says no? She's a fucking mess. I sure hope she declines and does it soon.

Hillary sucks as a campaigner.

Hilary should run. It's her destiny.

Have you seen the size of Hillary lately?

Wideload is an understatement!

I also don't think she'll win. If she gets the nomination, I think Democratic turnout will be depressed as it was this year in 2016, with a dispirited and apathetic Democratic base. So much so that a non-nutter Republican nomination like Jeb, horrible as it sounds, would win based on a high and motivated Republican voter turnout, largely inspired by their hatred of Clinton. Actually, I'm not sure an actual nut, someone like Walker or Cruz wouldn't beat her as well.

She's fatter than Mary Landrieu

You can empathize with her, she imagines she's thisclose to being POTUS.

And perhaps she could win against a weak Repug candidate, with the female/minority vote.

She's had an awesome run, but isn't 70 a time when you want to wind things down?

Imagine what she'll look like on election day after a years worth of the rubber chicken circuit? Plus she's really not even supposed to fly anymore.

Don't rule out dark horse candidate Caroline Kennedy for 2016.

Better her than that cunt Elizabeth.

If Elizabeth Warren were to run for POTUS, she would run the risk of being properly vetted by the media, though they gave Obama a free pass. She has lied about her upbringing in Oklahoma, claiming her family was dirt poor and they were definitely not. She continues to lie about her American Indian heritage, which is a joke. She only claimed so to get into Harvard easier. When running for the Senate against Scott Brown in 2012, she refused media access to her home, because they would see that she lives in a mansion provided by Harvard. She would make the most ill equipped candidate for POTUS ever.

"though they gave Obama a free pass."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

For years the media has had Obamas dick down their collective throat. Now they realize he's an arrogant empty suit.

"For years the media has had Obamas dick down their collective throat."

While having their collective tongues up his anus, which is not that easy to do, but they found a way.

Will we ever know why Obama's Social Security number was issued through the State of Connecticut?

Will Obama's Harvard grades ever be released?

Will the truth about Rev. Wright, a man whose church he attended for twenty years, ever be revealed?

Will we ever know who really wrote Obama's books?

Will we ever know the true relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers?

I am asking this in all seriousness.

Doesn't anyone think that the very fact that a woman, running on the top of a major party ticket for the first time, will energize voters in the same way that the first African-American candidate did in 2008?

Or are we over that?

You don't go up an anus, dummy r162, you go up a rectum.

"Doesn't anyone think that the very fact that a woman, running on the top of a major party ticket for the first time, will energize voters in the same way that the first African-American candidate did in 2008?"

Obama was a virtual unknown in 2008, Hillary has been around the block and back.

I don't see this backward country electing a woman president any time soon.

Trolldar reveals that R163 is a freeper troll who has been stinking up this thread. We get it, R163. You're a Republican. You love Fox News. Now run along.

Democrats have only themselves to blame if a Republican gets elected. There are MORE of you than Republicans but for some reason you didn't bother to show up at the voting stations this last week.

Please, for the sake of humanity, get your asses to vote in 2016. Don't let those backward bastards free reign to start more wars and hinder civil rights.

ps - I know I am preaching to the choir, except for the couple assholes posting their bullshit on this thread.

[quote] There are MORE of you than Republicans but for some reason you didn't bother to show up at the voting stations this last week.

You are 100% correct, although I wonder how much of an effect the recently-passed laws to restrict voting rights in 21 states had.

The Brennan Center said that these new laws affected 5 million people. I know the South was a long shot, but would Wisconsin, Illinois, and Ohio have had different results?

R170 I was clicking on that map and the biggest issue seems to be "Photo ID". How hard is that to get in the US? In most countries, a Photo ID is a given for voting.

Don't all citizens need Photo ID for numerous reasons? I'm not attacking you, just curious why someone would be without basic ID documentation in the US.

"Please, for the sake of humanity, get your asses to vote in 2016. Don't let those backward bastards free reign to start more wars and hinder civil rights."

Pay no attention, you're doing fine. Just sit there and keep watching television while the more intelligent see to it that this country returns to its greatness in 2016.

P. S. Who is it that's sending 1,500 additional troops to Iraq? The ever so brilliant Obama who promised no boots on the ground?

Can somebody just GAG R172 please. Fuck off.

"The Brennan Center said that these new laws affected 5 million people. I know the South was a long shot, but would Wisconsin, Illinois, and Ohio have had different results?"

IL does not a voter ID law. The Dems lost the governor's race simply because Quinn was incompetent--a nice guy with his heart in the right place, but just not able to break out of the vicious cycle of cronyism in the state capitol.

How does she continue to get away with denying she's running, even at this late date? And what does it get her to deny it anyway? Why not admit it's a possibly, she could always decide to call it off whenever she want.

The Daily Mail published a brilliant montage of photos of Hillary campaigning for numerous Democratic candidates prior to last Tuesday's mid-term elections and they all lost.

[quote] the biggest issue seems to be "Photo ID". How hard is that to get in the US? In most countries, a Photo ID is a given for voting.

It can be a big deal to get an ID if you don't drive. I won't go into all the reasons, but I will say what you don't have a constitutional right to fly, to drive, or to cash a check, but you do have a constitutional right to vote.

Requiring an ID, which is NOT free to obtain, is a poll tax. Which is unconstitutional.

Massachusetts, and I'm sure other states as well, has been issuing a photo ID for those without a driver's license for years.

Yeah, they have non-driver IDs in New York, too. We don't have voter ID laws here.

How do they know it's you if you pitch up without photo id? Are your fingerprints all on record?

Like it or not, the presidential election is all about personality and Christy will win with his. Once he gets into the debates, everyone will like him including young people. I'm Southern and liberal and I still think he's tremendous.

It's spreading:

Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein shouldn't run again, majority of voters say

Although the Democratic stalwarts remain popular, 59% of registered voters said the state would be better off with new candidates for the two seats.

[quote]"For years the media has had Obamas dick down their collective throat." While having their collective tongues up his anus

Yes we can!

By the way, just how long was Barbara Boxer's daughter married to Hillary's brother? A year?

To R164....if it had been any other woman, and yes younger, it would have been exciting. Anyone woman but Hillary. There is nothing exciting about Hillary. She's been in the public eye, since Watergate, longer than I've been alive. She's still trying to figure out where she stands on the issues.

R184 What? Weren't the Rodham men rather slovenly? And scandalous?

The Democrats can win the White House again with any strong candidate. The real problem is the liberal ground game.

Stop those useless and costly recall efforts. I think that Scott Walker could have been defeated if liberals hadn't tried to recall him which mobilized his base/support.

Registration, registration, registration!

I'm just afraid the same sort of people who put Hillary in power, are just like the people who put Reagan in power, a very sad day for America.

I'm afraid the Republicans have bought Hillary like they bought Obama ("Hey, wanna be POTUS? Here's what you do for us"). Why not run an "opposition candidate" just to be safe?

She's already hinted at her bellicose leanings. If you're onboard with War, Inc.- you're in.

They did it in Ohio. Got some Democratic doof to take a fall, and he (of course) lost badly. Kasich wouldn't even debate him.

Her one brother is a really fat fuck

The woman is a career politician who has managed to hold every office imaginable without accomplishing a God damned thing. She's nothing but a brand, no substance there. It's hilarious that a woman who stood by her cheating man for political gain is somehow a champion for women.

Hillary Clinton= the Kim Kardashian of politics.

"It's hilarious that a woman who stood by her cheating man for political gain is somehow a champion for women."

It's not the cheating that I find hilarious it's the fact that her husband settled a suit charging him with abusive sexual harassment.

But welcome to my country!

That doesn't change the fact that she's smart, popular and is destined to win should she run. I just hope that should she run she doesn't run the horrible desperate defensive campaign she ran the last time.

Right after Bill assumed office in 1993, he immediately named Hillary to chair a health insurance committee. She handpicked her committee members from her past, i. e. Ira Magaziner, etc. and then proceeded to conduct all of the meetings in complete secrecy and never revealed what was happening, which pissed off the media. Her efforts were a complete disaster.

Hill is Republican lite. Her Republican colleagues in the Senate loved her. She was part of the cabal that bombed Belgrade, a war crime of the highest order.She also loves involving the US military in invading and bombing other countries. Oh and Faux News owner Rupert Murdoch wants her as President. Hill mentioned that Faux News was one of the only outlets fair to her when she battled Barry Obama in the primaries. Her nomination will not excite any base as she is an old hawkish white woman.Young people will flock to the polls for someone younger,hipper and more reflecting their ideals.Not another old Dem. They need to get rid of Pelosi and Reid and bring in some young blood. The Reps are the party for old farts, the Dems need younger and more diverse leadership reflecting their voter base.

As for Freepers, she will be by far the most conservative of all the Dem candidates.She'll go along with your nutty objectives. She used to be a young Republican you know......

ALL Democratic pres candidates with a chance to be elected are "moderate Republicans" today, R194. These young ones who wanted "hip" gave us Obama who is no liberal.

R190/ 191, you're insane.

[quote]She will end her career as a loser. Unless something really drastic happens I can't see how she'd win.

Well, if YOU say so, sage freeper cunt fuck.

R194 Idiot.

After the election the Republicans are no longer the old party. They've got a lot more young talent in the wings than the Democrats. Look at the slate of people they elected. Anyone who is debating Hillary will be the younger person. I think all this back and forth is for naught though. I don't think she's running. Mostly because it would pull back the curtains on their money laundering foundation.

R197 is a clueless cunt.R195 Obama governs like a liberal Republican not a moderate one. Compared to Hill, Obama is and was far more progressive during the primaries.

The fact that Rupert Murdoch of Faux News infamy wants her to be President makes me think that she shouldn't be. Murdoch has been behind some of the shittiest journalism of all time.

Young people will not be motivated to vote for a 70 plus year old for President. Especially a war mongering white one. Obama being black/bi-racial,relatively young and charismatic really captured many young people's votes.

R198 The Repubs have a younger bench than the Dems BUT McConnell and Boehner are not spring chickens.The Repubs won this election because older people voted and younger people stayed at home.A certain demographic of white men help win mid terms but blacks,Hispanic, women and young people help win presidential elections.

The best thing about sexual predator Bill Clinton settling the sexual harassment case? The "advocate for women and children" paid the balance of the settlement the insurance wouldn't cover. A balance of $375,000.00.

Even from a British POV the idea of democracy is BROKEN...

Us first - we voted in a coalition with the Conservatives and the"Liberals" - resulting in an extreme right-wing government.

Then Scotland tried to break away. It failed democratically. Now English MPs are trying to punish Scotland for voting to stay in the UK

She can run. But if *she* win the primaries, she _must_ have Elizabeth Warren as her VP running mate.

If she does win the nomination I truly hope conservatives can get a woman in the VP slot. It would be even better if she were black/AA or Hispanic ( Condi or Susana Martinez) so we can split the minority vote several different ways. If only Dr. Carson had the experience to lead a ticket, we could run Carson/Martinez ( Martinez/Carson or Martinez/Condi, Condi/Martinez could work).

Dr Carsin is crazy. I don't want any crazy people on any ticket because there is always the possibility of a black swan. Suppose Hillary and her VP nominee are killed, God forbid, and the Dems put up some nobody, or someone who is contentious as a replacement. The Rs could squeak in.

After Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin; eventually we'll get a VP that succeeds to the Presidency and who is completely unprepared for it. Scary!

He's not crazy at all. He's very sane. You're just saying that because you're a liberal extremist. He's an icon and a real role model ( unlike Obama) so I think he can capture the youth, Asian, Hispanic vote just like Obama did. I think he could even get a decent share of black votes especially if we push school choice/ easier access to capital to start a business ( and I'm sure we will). I just wish he had more experience so he could lead the ticket. I can see him in the VP slot but if Hillary wins the nom the lead on the conservative ticket would have to be a woman.

I'd like Hillary to run with Warren as her running mate and then 2 days after taking office Hillary should resign for some reason. We need Warren to be president but I doubt she can get elected on her own.

Democrats need to listen to Bernie Sanders and Howard Dean and start a real Progressive/Liberal grass movement. They need to stop being Republican lite and go back to what Dems were when they would win, that is someone who is for all the people, including the very poor. These days when the idiot Dems lose the only message they take from it is to go more to the right.

[quote] If only Dr. Carson had the experience to lead a ticket, we could run Carson/Martinez ( Martinez/Carson or Martinez/Condi, Condi/Martinez could work).

"Dr. Carson"!! AHAAAAHAAAHAAA!

Delightful!

Oh, if ONLY we lived in a country where a certifiable loon, and a black one at that, like Ben Carson could lead the next GOP ticket, and a retarded housewife ideologue like Susanna Martinez could be the Veep choice! It's a bit difficult to imagine that either has the chops to run a national campaign, seeing as how most candidates in both major parties find this task incredibly daunting.

Still, I join you in praying for this all-star line up! I'm sure both already know more about EVERYTHING than did Mitt Romney!

[quote]She was part of the cabal that bombed Belgrade, a war crime of the highest order.

The biggest mistake NATO made was not to bomb Serbia a few years earlier. And if Belgrade hadn't been bombed, Kosovars would have lived through the same atrocities as Bosians and Croats.

Sometimes, the only way to stop a bloodthirsty nation from committing crimes is with violence.

[quote]They've got a lot more young talent in the wings than the Democrats

Talent? You've got to be kidding. They've got a lot of young, bigoted idiots in the wings. That's ALL they've got.

R205, I've heard & seen Carsin a couple-a-few times, and he absolutely does sound crazy. I can't believe some of the nonsense he comes up with. He would be a dangerous person to put in such a potentially powerful position. After Dan Quayle & Sarah Palin, I'd like to see an intelligent and, well, sane VP nominee on the Republican side.

Have you seen the new Hillary video. Wasn't there anyone around the Ready for Hillary shit camp that had the guts to say "just no honey". I have never seen anything politically hactastic as this. NOTHING.

R211, define "hactastic", pls.

It means something that sucks so bad you just can't believe it. But the person who allowed it to suck doesn't realize how much it sucks and it causes you to be embarrassed for them.

Who will be her "First Gentleman" now that Bill and her are effectively divorced.

The only person in the race who looks even remotely Presidential right now is Hillary

I'm not a big admirer of Hillary but she is a Democrat and that's the most important thing. I want the Democrats to keep the White House and gain more seats in Congress.

Yeah. Every presidential candidate should have a sexual predator as a husband. Every time she surfaces she seems so old and out of touch. When are they going to let her speak, in an unscripted manner, again?

The ongoing and impossible to bury Jeffrey Epstein scandal will wipe her and her husband out for good. Bill looks near death anyway. I want her to run. She's a horrible, fake Neo-Con and the process will be humiliating. Hillary is in for a big, big surprise. Her awful hubris.

She enabled child sex trafficking (13 years to 15 years old) and they need to be held responsible for that. Times ARE changing.

Yes, r215--her obvious megalomania puts her in good (former) presidential company, but she distinguishes herself by having a chip on her shoulder that can be from outer space. Her sense of entitlement ("It's HER turn now!") and that of her rabid, menopausal sycophants (remember the "PUMAS?") is exactly the worst thing that could happen to this already-on-life-support,doomed republic.

She was a damned fine Secretary of State. Kerry pales in comparison.

"can be seen"...

Some competition, R220

I hope she doesn't run. She's fine now but in a few years she'll be all senile.

Can you imagine her walking around the White House with a walker, looking for Socks the cat. "Where's kitty kat?" the forgetful Hillary would call, not knowing that the cat would never come.

Pathetic.

Tell me R220, if you're not being sarcastic, what was her greatest foreign policy initiative as SOS that makes say that? Her reset with Russia? Calling Assad of Syria a "real reformer"? The fiasco in Egypt? Oh I know her great Libya policy?

Everyone and their mother knows Hillary shouldn't run, but the entitled bitch is going to do what she wants.

She'll break a hip if she runs.

Hillary the "I've fallen and I can't get up" Candidate.

Sox is dead?

Mein gott, this whole thread is crawling with right wing 1/2 wits...like maggots on a piece of chicken.

With this new Brian Williams fiasco her Bosnia lies will never be forgotten. Here's First Lady Sandpaper Pussy talking about the sniper fire. Then blaming her lie on sleep deprivation. Then the bitch had the nerve to run a 3AM call commercial. Listen to her lies.

Sandpaper Pussy's campaign, that hasn't even started, is already falling apart. Her fundraisers are feuding and resigning.

[quote]I'm just afraid the same sort of people who put Hillary in power, are just like the people who put Reagan in power, a very sad day for America.

MARY Concern Troll!

I watched Citizenfour, and by the time Obama's clip came up - where he says how he started a process into NSA practices just a few months before the documents started leaking to the press (what a coincidence!) - I almost threw up. You would have to have a brain missing to believe him.

I will vote for Hillary as the democratic candidate (what choice do we have?), but I have no doubt that she is the same as Obama.

[quote]Sandpaper Pussy's campaign, that hasn't even started, is already falling apart. Her fundraisers are feuding and resigning.

What?

The gruesome twosome has been up to their old tricks. Accepted foreign donations while she was still SOS. With her SOS is starting to sound more like shit on a shingle.

CANKLES IS DOWN!

Today's late breaking scandal? While Senator Hillary charged 500K worth of private charter flights to the taxpayer.

Sadly, Hillary's campaign is now toast. We all agree she can never win now. It's mostly her own doing. But who do we run in her place?

There are 7 billion people on the planet by now supposedly? I like her 7,000,000,000th.

I hope she runs. She will be super entertaining and won't win no matter who she blackmails, bribes, screws or murders.

Her 67 or so years of waiting for the moment she can be dictator is chief will her demise. So entitled. So hateable.

If she makes it on the ballot, I'll write in Adolph Hitler.

Hilary fans. I know your shrill voices are out there. Make it happen.

^^^ This x 1,000,000

[238]

"But who do we run in ber place?"

I can't stop laughing. So your cult (I mean) "party" had ONE (1) "good" candidate.

Hilary. One. good. candidate.

And now, that one (1) is "toast".

There is no one else you can think of. At all.

What does it say about the Dems- comprised of half the country's population has/had one "good candidate"? And it was Hilary!

Before you get your panties in a wad, I feel precisely as repulsed by the Rep party and anyone they decide to run,

I think she should run. And I think she should win. She wants it and she's certainly qualified. Bitch has balls of steel.

And as much as the world has progressed in the last few years, let's not forget she'd still be the first female POTUS. That's incredible. A 100 years ago women couldn't vote.

Let's support her and celebrate!

Run? At this point the poor thing can barely walk. Hobbling around in with a cane. Can you imagine her in the White House, wandering around the halls in a daze, trying to find Monica to shaker her cane at her and give her the "what for?"

Why it's be embarrassing.

I find it funny when people talk about her age. Mandela was 76 when he took office. He was only there for 5 years so maybe she should only be in office 1 term or until her dementia starts to set in.

Oh, she will not win.

How do you know, r245?

R246, my boss and I have only just started our smear campaign. The emails were just an appetizer.

Bill said he already has made plans if Hillary doesn't win.

"We have this nice white oval shaped room and we plan to just tell the poor soul she won. We will hire day actors to play any parts of famous people. I'm sure in her declining years Hillary will be just as happy playing pretend."

Martin is burning up Iowa this weekend while Hillary stays hidden hoping things will clear.

Meanwhile, Hillary plans to spend the upcoming weeks chasing children off the White House lawn when they roll Easter Eggs.

"Dagnabbit, I'll hit you with my shooing cane."

R248

Where do I contribute?

OP = Sarah Palin.

Jesus. Some of these responses--too funny.

But the backlash--if that's what this is reflective of--is understandable: the "inevitability" of a Hillary presidency was always a work of fiction--the ultimate in spun reality.

Many years ago, when she was engaged in her "listening tour" in order to snatch the US Senate seat that fate had handed her, I remember the vitriol among the WOMEN I then worked with, who, almost to a person, said they would never vote for her because they neither liked nor trusted her.

And the "she has balls of steel" comments are a part of that spun reality.

What does a statement like that even mean, anyway?

Is it supposed to indicate her toughness under fire? Right. Like that time she dodged sniper fire on the tarmac? When Reagan was president, and well into his dotage, he was well known for confusing his war heroism (he never served in the military) with movie roles he'd played.

He was obviously delusional and suffering from the early to mid stages of Alzheimer's. So why the double standard with Hillary? Yes, yes--we remember when she was running in 2008 and would look around the set for a phonebook to rip in half--whenever she was asked what she would do, as POTUS, to a nuclear-capable Iran.

Is that kind of toughness (her willingness to fellate the neo-cons better than her competitors) the answer?

Lastly, there is the disturbing spectacle of that same delusion--fueled by the cult of personality--among her staunchest supporters.

When Barbara Walters was at the end of her year-long farewell tour last year, Hillary was among the women who were on set to wish her well. And judging by the degree of ass-kissing which ensued, she was also the highest regarded.

At one point Sherrie Shepard asked her a question--and addressed her as "Hillary," in doing so.

"Please!"--said Walters, at her most unctuous and insufferable,--"even *I* don't call her Hillary!"

Well, that shut Sherrie down in a hurry. But for anyone who is not a moron, and not functionally illiterate, the question hanging in the air was:

Who the fuck are the ubiquitous "Hillary" campaign signs for, then?

That's the kind of shit that fills the coffer$ of the opposition.

Remember when Connie Francis called her a bitch?

Elizabeth Warren will be 66 in June. Yet she's not too old, huh?

Why can't you see her winning but for something drastic, OP? All the polls have her at least 15 points ahead of every potential rival.

Funny how she is leading all polls within her party and against all Repubs by very large margins. It would be hers to lose.

The Dowager Cuck Queen in hiding. It doesn't give you pause that the presumptive nominee is in hiding because she has new scandals and she doesn't want to be confronted with unscripted questions? The she can't seem to find a good answer when asked point blank about her accomplishments while in office? Because she's been in politics for about a half century and is still defining who she is?

Jesus H.

[quote]Elizabeth Warren will be 66 in June. Yet she's not too old, huh?

She's too old as well. We had Reagan, let us learn from that mistake.

Can you just see Hillary a year into her first term?

She'd be all lost and disoriented. She'd be hoarding old magazine for when she gets time to read them. I can't read Kindle without my specks she'd say.

Or imagine the embarrassment when she meets with a world leader and has lipstick on her teeth and offers him some hard candy and a glass of hot water with lemon.

Then she'd be telling the other world leaders if they didn't learn to get along no one would come to their birthday parties.

Then she'll take Bill to a McDonalds and try to barter with the teen agers or bargain them down in price for the dollar menu, even AFTER she gets a senior discount.

Nope too big of a risk.

Then she'd be doing Sit-N-Fit for her morning exercise.

Hillary would be like

"How much for a skateboard? In my day a skateboard cost $1 for a piece of hard wood, $5.00 for a pair of roller skates and $2.00 for a cushion to sit on after we got whooped for ruining a good pair of $5 roller skates."

She should absolutely run.

And if she runs, she'll absolutely win, no question.

She's had enough experience with Obama and Elizabeth Warren to moderate some of her worst policies and behaviors I think.

She's really getting on the "inequality is a major problem we need to address ASAP" train too, which is good.

And regardless of your feelings towards her or about her, she is absolutely better than ANYONE on the GOP slate.

So vote your conscience and desires in the primaries. But in the General, if she does end up being the nominee, close ranks behind her and vote for her (even if you have to hold your nose) in order to keep a Republican out of that office. And while you're at it, vote for Democrats all up and down the ticket.

Use your brains for once, not your heart or your gut. Vote STRATEGICALLY. It's vital that we don't let another republican into that office... you saw what happened the last time. The next time will be even worse.

Hi Hillary, r265.

She'll be in ICU on election night. The nurses will be filling out the paperwork to transfer her to long-term rehab.

Pathetic response, R266. Especially given I won't likely vote for her in the primaries.

but if that's all you've got to try and responds to the logic and reason outlined in R265, then you don't have much at all, do you?

There was absolutely nothing to address in r265. It is all fiction, possibly science fiction.

HI CHELSEA! R268

Knock it off old people are harmless, unless they are driving or trying to get on a bus, or paying the bus fare or voting.

Hillary would be putting the word "THE" in front of everything.

Like "the Twitter," "the Facebook," and so on.

"Bill, where's Burkina Faso? Be a dear and look it up on the Google."

Minorities (especially one particular minority group) would be fools to vote for this woman after that disaster called Obama.

Bill how do you stop this clock on the VCR from blinking?

R273 We don't call them darkies anymore?

Just because you (for some unfathomable reason) don't like it, doesn't make it fiction.

If you can't argue against any of the points made (and clearly you can't, because all you've got is name-calling), then perhaps you should sit down and rethink your position (whatever it is, who knows?)

And R273? Hon? Dear? Obama is not by any definition of the word "a disaster". Stop being a fucking moron, m'kay?

Hillary will be younger than many of the proposed GOP candidates.

Seriously, what's with this bizarre ageism all of a sudden?

You know she'll still be sharp as a tack at 90.

No one enjoys looking at old ladies.

Agreed Op. We need a fresh face.

A tack indeed

[quote]Seriously, what's with this bizarre ageism all of a sudden?

Two words: Ronald Reagan.

He proved old people don't work out.

It has nothing to do with ageism.

Some job require a youthful energy. Being president is one of them. You wouldn't ask Bruce Jenner to compete in the Olympics now. Why? Because he's too old. And the dress thing and murder thing are also factors but the main factor is he's too old.

He's not to old for somethings, like he'd still make a good hit man or hired gun, but for the Olympics, no he's too old.

Hillary could do things like run an antique shop or be President of Canada or another unimportant country but she's too old for an important post like President of the United States.

R282, that's only proof that right-wing actors who are puppets for plutocratic billionaires don't work out.

Which proposed Republican is Hillary younger than? Paul? Walker? Cruz? Jeb? Perry? Which one?

[quote]Hillary could do things like run an antique shop or be President of Canada or another unimportant country but she's too old for an important post like President of the United States.

This may be your belief, but it's not founded on much that is factual.

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? You might want to stop talking to it.]

Old(er) dude myself here, but the "she's too old" posts have cracked me up--thanks for the laughs.

Seriously, I don't think she's too old, per se, but I do believe her health IS an issue.

A pathological liar may be "fun" at family reunions--"what will Aunt Bessie come up with next?"--but as POTUS, not so much.

Is her marked propensity for telling whoppers--and adamantly sticking to her lies--health related?

I don't know, but it bears serious investigation. I went from being a big fan of hers circa 1995, to believing that she is unhinged--and therefore dangerous as a potential leader.

As for the "polls" that show her supposed dominance, hasn't the past provided evidence enough that they are not reliable?

8 plus years ago if someOne had predicted that an unknown greenhorn senator, who happened to be black, with the middle name "Hussein," would hand Hillary her ass at the polls, no one would have believed it.

I don't think she should run because if she does, that means we will have two Republicans running. No thanks.

[quote]8 plus years ago if someOne had predicted that an unknown greenhorn senator, who happened to be black, with the middle name "Hussein," would hand Hillary her ass at the polls, no one would have believed it.

He only won because Oprah appointed him. He was having massive problems being a junior senator. The press was saying he didn't do anything but sit there.

Even the black community was down on him. Suddenly Oprah in her greatness, declares he's her man for president and all the fraus switch over and the blacks jump on the bandwagon.

Seriously this IS what happened.

r290, I don't believe that Oprah "appointed" BO to the presidency; I DO believe that her backing of him provided an immeasurable boost to his candidacy.

It may have been the boost that put him over--and offered a welcome alternative for Democrats who were opposed to Hillary.

The press stayed away from the John Edwards story just long enough to promote the idea (and keep the ad dollars flowing), that THERE WAS an alternative who was neither (1) a woman; nor (2) black.

The "X" factor worked in BO's favor. As stated many times on this board, voters already believe they know who HRC is--and many of them aren't buying her soap.

Yes she appointed him. He only won the senate seat cause the stupid Republicans nominated a loser of a guy that caused a scandal and had to withdraw at the last minute.

Without Oprah, Obama wouldn't even have won a second Senate term. As it was all the Illinois papers routinely and correctly stated as a Senator all he did was run for president.

Even his Democratic fellow Senator Dick Durbin said he was relieved he wouldn't have to pick up all of Obama's slack once the election was over.

Also, Hillary has already cashed in/sold out on her name. She and her husband are enormously wealthy, thanks (in part) to Hillary's $350,000 speaking engagements, etc.

The idea that she is embracing the inequality issue is pretty laughable, considering.

And Hillary being Hillary, she's already played fast and loose with the facts regarding "donating her fees to charity" (per the NY Times)--the "charity," is of course, The Clinton Foundation--and those books seem not to be available to public scrutiny.

Fair enough, if she's abiding by the rules that govern foundations, but to suggest that she will somehow capture the populist vote? Laughable.

Bush cousin Scott Walker will face a similar hurdle, no matter how hard his team works to make him appear "folksy."

Give me a break. How many times has Obama been elected to office and you say it's all because of Oprah? Bullshit. I never gave a damn about Oprah and I was more than happy to vote for the intelligent and well educated candidate, Obama.

Dude, the fact remains no one heard of cared about Obama, the day AFTER he was on Oprah and she declared him to be the next president, he suddenly became neck and neck with Hillary.

HE WAS APPOINTED BY OPRAH.

He stood no chance without her. This is a troublesome thing when one person has this much power.

Oprah has many other examples of causing startling changes overnight with her miscalculation of AIDS in heterosexuals (she listen to bad advice) to her mostly correct observations on Mad Cow.

It's the Oprah effect it was real and just because YOU in particular didn't listen to her does not mean your unique experience is the general experience.

You're the type of person who will lose his job and apply your unique experience to the economy as a whole.

r290, r292...

Actually, I voted for the candidate (can't remember his/her name just name just now) who was endorsed/appointed by talk show hostess Sally Jessy Raphael, per the US Constitution.

*eyeroll*

Imagine bringing something to the Antiques Roadshow that Aunt Hillary gave you?

"You mean it's not an old family heirloom that dates back to the Ming Dynasty?"

r295 is delusionally ignorant of actual history. That's not at all how it went down.

R289 is one of those tediously ignorant, willfully blind people that think Hillary would be "exactly the same" as someone like, oh, Rand Paul or Ted Cruz or Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush.

Seriously? How stupid and utterly ignorant of even recent history do you have to be to assert such a thing?

[quote]Look at the mess we had with Ronald Reagan. He was already senile before he got elected and it only went downhill every year after that.

R287, and this has WHAT to do with Hillary? Exactly nothing, of course.

Reagan wasn't senile, he had Alzheimer's disease--which Hilary does not.

How do you know that she doesn't, r301.

I know that Bill says that "she works out and eats healthy"--but still...

She is getting that old lady who will need dentures soon speech pattern. You know that slight hissing?

She has Oprah arms.

So how many of you Hillary bashers are paid GOP operatives? Show of hands? Just curious.

All of us! All of us! I work at home and make $10,000.00 a month! Thank you Jeb Bush!!!!

Never seen a thread so full of GOP-paid posters in my life. Never opening up another Hillary thread on DL again, except to gently chide after she wins the election. I have no wish to read reich-wing ageist, misogynist talking points. Spin on, stupid freepers and fake liberals, spin on.

R303, Howard Stern is developing the same thing!

[quote] Agreed Op. We need a fresh face.

Oh good Lord, we're not discussing a celebrity. If you're bored with a given politician please don't vote as you don't seem to understand what they do. Hint: they are not there to entertain you.

We need Elizabeth Warren, not Hillary!

Hillary will make a great president, and I hope she gives a prominent role to Bill.

She could also appoint Obama to the Supreme Court. He won't need to schmooze there.

Why do we need EW as President again, r310? What's wrong with her being in the Senate? She's only been a Senator for 2 years, just like Ted Cruz. Just because you want something, doesn't mean it's what's best for the country. If GOP won't play nice with EW, what makes you think they're going to embrace her? Moreover, EW doesn't have any experience in foreign policy and FP has pretty much dominated national news for the last 4 years. Actually, Obama's entire term so far.

We don't even know her position on any FP-related issues.

Maybe Hillary will invite Jeffrey Epstein to the White House. Just bring the child sex slaves in through the back.

If Hilary achieved 1/4 of what liberals wanted compared to what Reagan achieved for the conservatives I'd be thrilled. Reagan was a very successful President for the right. Being old didn't slow him down at all ..unfortunately.

Then why do you liberals always insinuate that he was incompetent?

[quote] R312: ...[foreign policy] has pretty much dominated national news for ... Obama's entire term so far.

Not the entire term, if you mean since 2008. There was the economic collapse and all those financial companies that died. There was also saving the auto industry and all the related jobs. Also ACA healthcare insurance, and the stimulous program. He is ending two wars though leaving a troop presence in Afganistan and possibly Iraq And more that I can't think about right now. He's quite accomplished.

Reagan was seen as a senile fool by the left but he was a very effective President. People are just blinded by ideology if they don't see that. I thought that way myself until I saw some interviews with Soviet Union diplomats. They said Reagan's Star Wars bluff was a major reason the communists lost the Cold War.

Check out the BBC series The Cold War and you'll see the interviews.

Hillary's favorablity rating is down to 26%. What do you think could happen to bring it down to 18%? A wardrobe malfunction? Wetting her pants a little when she cackles?

r317 I was too young to remember Reagan's time in office, but it is sickening how the GOP wax poetry and revere him as if he's God himself. Iran Contra scandal happened during his admin, right r317? Perhaps like everything politics, GOP only see the good and Democrats only see the bad. But let's not forget that AIDS ballooned into what it became because of neglect and refusal to take action. He also left a massive deficit.

Obama has been solid on domestic issues, but I think if there is a criticism of his Administration, it has to be on foreign policy. There is no cohesive vision other than "don't do stupid stuff." The Administration has been reactive, not proactive. It often feels like he's just coasting along as events in the Middle East have flared up. As for Iraq and Afghanistan, he recently walked back on the troop withdrawal in Afghanistan. No policy set in place whatsoever.

Joe Klein said on Charlie Rose that this is the most closely held foreign policy since Nixon and Kissinger, only there's no Kissinger. It's all been run out of Obama's brain.

R319, I think his walk-back on Afganistan troop withdrawal falls under the idea that "changing circumstances necessitate changing policy".

[quote]We need Elizabeth Warren, not Hillary!

I guess you believe that we new a Teabagger in the White House. Go ahead, run Warren and feel good that you lost but stuck to your principals.

r320 When it comes to foreign policy, I just don't think he's ever had a policy. It's all just been so messy. So reactive on everything. No plan ever set in place.

So how can something be changed when there's been no policy set in place? All these families looking forward to the return of their sons/daughters will just have to wait and wait and wait....

If the GOP wins the Presidency, do you actually think they'll call for troop withdrawals from Iraq and Afghanistan? I think not.

R307 are you OK?

r323 Stop bumping ancient threads, you cunt.

Sorry r324.

These old Hillary threads are so embarrassing.

So accurate

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