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Rasputin, and his claimed "powers"

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Are reports of Rasputin's "abilities" the real thing, highly exaggerated, or just BS? Is he comparable to Jesus Christ? Would any of it "hold water" today?

by Anonymousreply 43December 1, 2018 12:53 PM

Also:10.000 women,5.000 men. True?

by Anonymousreply 1September 30, 2014 11:39 PM

Didn't he indulge in bisexual orgies? I know he taught that to that to be saved one must first sin.

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by Anonymousreply 2September 30, 2014 11:47 PM

Aside from reportedly being highly sex and greatly endowed don't think Rasputin's "powers" were all that great.

Persons are always willing to see what they look for thus as with many other "healers" persons may have "wanted" Rasputin's charms to work, so they did. That and or they weren't ill to begin with.

When it came to Crown Prince Alexi Rasputin did seem to have an ability to calm the boy down which helped control the worse episodes of his hémophilie. Being around the hysteric Empress Alexandra probably got the kid all worked up and it took someone outside the IF's court to diffuse a tense environment so the boy could relax.

As with Hans Axel von Fersen and David Rizzio, Rasputin was probably more of a target for getting (in reality or not) too close to an empress or queen. Had the man confided to working his mojo on peasants one highly doubts if he would have received this much attention by history.

by Anonymousreply 3September 30, 2014 11:57 PM

Drown me, shoot me, beat me. I double dare you!

by Anonymousreply 4October 1, 2014 12:00 AM

Rah, rah, Rasputin, lover of the Russian queen

There was a cat that really was gone

Rah, rah, Rasputin

Russia's greatest love machine

It was a shame how he carried on!

by Anonymousreply 5October 1, 2014 6:42 PM

The only important thing back then was the empress trusted his powers totally and felt he was sent by God to protect his son and the empire.

by Anonymousreply 6October 1, 2014 6:58 PM

Rasputin healed through the power of hypnotic suggestion. He is not comparable to Jesus Christ.

by Anonymousreply 7October 1, 2014 7:00 PM

Big dick face.

by Anonymousreply 8October 1, 2014 7:12 PM

His eerie prophesy --

" If I am killed by common assassins and especially by my brothers the Russian peasants, you, Tsar of Russia, have nothing to fear for your children, they will reign for hundreds of years in Russia.

...if it was your relations who have wrought my death, then no one in your family, that is to say, none of your children or relations will remain alive for two years. They will be killed by the Russian people...

I shall be killed. I am no longer among the living. Pray, pray, be strong, think of your blessed family.

Grigory "

by Anonymousreply 9October 1, 2014 7:19 PM

He seems to have been incredibly charismatic, almost everyone who met him in person fell under his sway.

And then there was the infamous last letter, in which he seemed to predict the revolution and the fall of the Romanov family. Could he really predict the future, or could anyone with a brain see how things were going to go? Talk of revolution or replacing the monarchy with a democracy was everywhere at the time.

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by Anonymousreply 10October 1, 2014 7:22 PM

He doesn't seem to have been that bad a guy, but he was certainly a charlatan.

I don't think he was bisexual R2. The gay noble who killed him probably lusted after him though.

by Anonymousreply 11October 1, 2014 7:26 PM

For R5:

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by Anonymousreply 12October 1, 2014 11:39 PM

Much of his power was between his legs, and it was BIG!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 13October 2, 2014 12:26 AM

What was his position on the matter of Texas sheet cakes?

by Anonymousreply 14October 2, 2014 12:32 AM

Empress Alexandra was a hot mess because she failed in the one job of a royal consort; to deliver a healthy male heir. Worse because the hemophilia was introduced into the Romanov family via her genes (well Queen Victoria's anyway) there was a risk her daughters would be seen as capable of passing it to their children.

It is hard to underestimate the secrecy of keeping the Czarevitch Alexi's condition from the Russian people took on the Imperial family including Nicholas and in particular Alexandra.

Nicholas if he had any backbone would have sent Rasputin away when breath of scandals reached his ears and worse were attaching themselves to the Empress. However as stated whatever powers the man had over the bleeder boy convinced Alexandra he was a "holy" man sent to save her son and the dynasty (which she screwed up).

The backstory to this is that when she first came to Russia, Princess Alexandra took to Russian Orthodoxy and her conversion with such a passion it alarmed and often put off other Romanovs and Russian nobility/high society. They had been members of the religion all their lives (leaving aside the women that converted to marry into the Russian RF), and saw Alexandra's devotion bordering on a mania.

Real sad thing is that Empress Alexandra worshipped Queen Marie Antoinette (she had a portrait of the murdered French queen in her bedroom), totally unaware that her family was going the same way and much of the blame could be laid squarely at her and the Czar's feet.

One if the great historical "what if" is if Nicholas had heeded his parents advice and married someone else. That or had the man grown a pair and told his wife to keep out of government affairs.

by Anonymousreply 15October 2, 2014 2:40 AM

The newest evidence is that the fatal shot was fired by a British Secret Service agent, not a Russian.

by Anonymousreply 16October 2, 2014 2:44 AM

I think I saw him inline at the Walmart last week.

by Anonymousreply 17October 2, 2014 2:46 AM

He was a Belieber.

by Anonymousreply 18October 2, 2014 2:47 AM

He was really ugly and reportedly he smelled badly. I think his big cock and not his charisma is the reason everyone wanted him.

But if I lived in the imperial Russia I'd probably crave for Father Gapon's cock instead. He was hot:

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by Anonymousreply 19October 2, 2014 2:59 AM

R16, Why did the British want Rasputin killed? Is it true they could have saved the Royal Family by offering them a safe haven out of Russia?

by Anonymousreply 20October 2, 2014 8:28 AM

Prince Felix Yusupov, one of Rasputin's assassins, was extremely rich and a lifelong homosexual, although happily married to the Princess Irina. As a young man he often appeared in public dressed and made up as a woman. He also dressed and danced as a gypsy woman to entertain his friends.

I believe the Prince made up certain aspects of the assassination in order to make Rasputin seem more like a demon than a human being. Rasputin's daughter claimed her father never ate pastries and so he could not have been poisoned by the little cakes Prince Felix claimed to have fed him. Of course it's possible that Rasputin lived in Spartan self-denial at home while indulging in confectionery luxuries while in St. Petersburg.

Whether he ate cake or not, Rasputin was discovered to have drowned. The most logical explanation is that the assassins simply ambushed him, shooting him by surprise. Then they probably bound him in chains and dumped him through a hole in the ice on the frozen river. All the fanciful details Prince Yusupov relayed about Rasputin rising over and over from enough poison and gunshot wounds to kill a dozen men were probably intended to create sympathy for the killers. Rasputin had considered Felix a trusted friend.

by Anonymousreply 21October 2, 2014 9:09 AM

[quote]Is it true they could have saved the Royal Family by offering them a safe haven out of Russia?

King George V initially intended to aid the Russian royals but he was dissuaded from doing so by his cousin by marriage, Lord Louis Mountbatten, the first Marquess of Milford Haven, whose wife was the oldest sister of the Russian Empress Alexandra. The couple's oldest daughter was the mother of Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, and mother-in-law of QEII.

The King was persuaded by Mountbatten that the Russian royals' presence would be a ruinous expense and might even lead to the abolition of the British monarchy. So the rescue plan was called off. Later the government took the blame, but the King was firmly if discreetly in favor of abandoning the Romanovs.

Rasputin is said to have prophesied that the treacherous Mountbatten clan would ultimately bring ruin on the British crown. Rasputin allegedly claimed that when a Mountbatten ascended the British throne, he would eventually fall from power and the UK would have no more kings and queens after that. Of course the next King will be the first Mountbatten to ascend the throne.

by Anonymousreply 22October 2, 2014 9:34 AM

R22 - "Rasputin is said to have prophesied that the treacherous Mountbatten clan would ultimately bring ruin on the British crown."

I have never known of this prophesy till now. The one above, yes, this one, no.

Source?

by Anonymousreply 23October 2, 2014 1:22 PM

The Mountbatten's we very involved in the plot to discredit Anna Anderson's claim as GD Anastasia, which Prince Philip continues to this day.

by Anonymousreply 24October 2, 2014 1:27 PM

Why would Prince Philip continue his campaign against Anna Andersen "to this day" when (1) she is dead and, (2) has been proven to be a liar by her own DNA?

by Anonymousreply 25October 2, 2014 1:35 PM

R25, a DNA test can be "faked" by substituting a false sample for testing.

by Anonymousreply 26October 2, 2014 4:42 PM

The DNA disproving Anna Anderson's claim was Prince Philips! Perhaps that was part of his "plan" to discredit her!

by Anonymousreply 27October 2, 2014 4:58 PM

Read this book and learn something, and stop indulging in idle speculation and projection.

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by Anonymousreply 28October 2, 2014 5:04 PM

[quote]Why would Prince Philip continue his campaign against Anna Andersen "to this day"

Supposedly the Tsar left an enormous personal fortune in the Bank of England. If Andersen were his daughter she would have a right to inherit it.

Some also speculate that the Tsar's fortune was used to fund Hitler's war machine. The idea being that Hitler himself was a paper lion set up expressly to fail by the globalist, One World Government types. The theory is that Hitler was allowed to claim power by his enemies so that they would have an enemy to vanquish in yet another extremely profitable world war.

Bizarre as this sounds, it is actually more curious that King George VI should choose to ally with Stalin in WWII after the Soviet Union murdered his royal Russian cousins, than it was for Edward VIII to support Hitler who was seen by much of the European nobility as a bulwark against Stalin and anti-monarchist Communism.

by Anonymousreply 29October 2, 2014 7:54 PM

All of that bunk you bunked above, r29, is debunked in the Massie book I linked above.

Are you an Illuminati idiot?

by Anonymousreply 30October 2, 2014 10:54 PM

r23 I was curious about this also. The only thing I've been able to find is that Anna Anderson (woman who claimed to be Grand Duchess Anastasia Romanov) said that Rasputin had said this,

by Anonymousreply 31October 3, 2014 8:11 PM

Ah, R31. And according to our fellow Datalougers, Anna Anderson had excellent reasons to dislike Price Phillip, and to disparage the Mountbattens.

by Anonymousreply 32October 3, 2014 8:46 PM

R21 Prince Felix Yusupov

looks like Timothee Chalamet

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by Anonymousreply 33November 29, 2018 2:14 PM

Rasputin did indeed seem to have some mysterious power. One man stated that when he was getting a treatment from Rasputin, out of curiosity, he felt a warmth flowing through his being and his will power was no longer his own. He did seem to be able to heal people and predict the future.

by Anonymousreply 34November 29, 2018 2:21 PM

He " healed" the hemophiliac prince by stopping his Doctor from giving him asprin.

Maybe a little ahead of his time but hardly magic.

by Anonymousreply 35November 29, 2018 2:28 PM

Anna Anderson looked absolutely NOTHING like Anastasia. I never understood how anyone could believe she was the same person. Completely different nose, different eyes, different mouth.

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by Anonymousreply 36November 29, 2018 2:35 PM

Come, come. Rasputin's daughter Maria was a big supporter of Anna Anderson and visited her regularly in Charlottesville. Anna went to Charlottesville because Gleb Botkin was there, the son of the doctor that was killed with the imperial family. He swore she was Anastasia. He told a friend of mine that they would discuss the times the two of them were together in Russia. There is a theory that Anna was the double that Anastasia used; this theory is common in Charlottesville. And all that story about the Romanov money in foreign banks is crap; it was used to finance WWI.

by Anonymousreply 37November 29, 2018 3:02 PM

Go watch R12 's video if you haven't already. Bony died on the same day as Rasputin in Russia. Such awesome dance moves.

by Anonymousreply 38November 29, 2018 3:53 PM

It was witnessed that he had a massive cock.

So yeah, that's a superpower.

by Anonymousreply 39November 29, 2018 4:54 PM

Rasputin myth 'debunked'

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by Anonymousreply 40December 1, 2018 10:21 AM

What book on Rasputin do you recommend? Do you recommend "The Rasputin File" by Edvard Radzinsky?

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by Anonymousreply 41December 1, 2018 10:24 AM

The key is Empress Alix and her devotion to his son. Nick was weak and was afraid to sen Rasputin back to Siberia. His mother gave ultimatum, either she moves away from the capital or Rasputin does. She moved. Alix probably had mental issues and didn’t want to be seen to the public. When she did, she never smiled and it was seen badly like she hated Russian people. She wasn’t the reason for the revolutions but she played part in it. After Nicky had lost his position he asked one of the servants if all could have been prevented by giving more power to politicians.

by Anonymousreply 42December 1, 2018 11:13 AM

Anna Anderson = Fransisca Shinskowska

by Anonymousreply 43December 1, 2018 12:53 PM
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