Gays Among the Royals

Dame Edna is a widow, Barry is straight and married.

Downton Abbey does not suggest disdain for gays.

Some of the servants have spoken in favor of Thomas' being gay, just accepting it as a fact that that is how certain people are.

Carson is the only one who really spoke against it.

Lord Grantham made a comment about all the boys who tried to kiss him when he was at school and thought nothing of it.

It was much more hidden in that era, but there were gays and they did have sex. And not everyone thought them queer.

Prince Edward (aka "Dockyard Doris") may also be bisexual, and so may also be Lord Frederick Windsor. And the queen's uncle, the late George, Duke of Kent (Freddie's grandfather), was clearly bisexual.

The queen's nephew, David, the Viscount Lynley (Princess Margaret's son), is also strongly rumored to be bisexual.

Everyone thought the rumor of Princess Anne walking in to see Prince Edward on his knees sucking someone that worked in the house but rumor has it, that it was Prince Charles.

One of the Dutch king's brothers was rumored to be bisexual

OP, I never felt pity for someone until your sad wee thread.

Andrew isn't gay or bi, he's a nasty self-absorbed, arrogant pussyhound. Please don't try to claim him for us, there is absolutely no evidence of it and we don't want him.

He is a friend of Jeffrey Epstein and had been photographed with some of Jeffrey's underage girls.

R8, So whoever outed Prince Andrew on the old Giraldo Riverera talk show, saying his then wife Sarah found him in bed with one of his shipmates, was lying?

R5, I heard that it was Princess Diana walking in on Prince Charles's valet servicing her husband.

Turns out this thread is timely after all.

Years and years ago, I slept with a captain of the royal horseguards who assured me that he had slept with another guard who had slept with Prince Charles. A true story, even though it sounds like the old joke/song "I slept with a man who slept with a man who slept with the prince of wales".

[R11} Are those the men who dress in tight white britches and ride horses outside the palaces?

why do you keep calling them bisexual. They are not bisexual because they married a woman. bisexual has nothing to do with marital status. it has to do with sexual orientation. you can marry someone of the opposite sex and be 100 percent gay or lesbian.

this "bisexual" crap is so 1980s.

Prince Harry

R13, Not one of the posters who just wrote "bi" in their descriptions of Royals, but wouldn't it be appropriate to use in describing someone that you know has slept with both sexes, but you're really not 100% sure of the person's true preference?

FIrst, its not a preference, its an orientation, and you are assuming that because they are married they are sexually attracted to each other.

I could pick up a pen and scratch around with my left hand, if the pressure to be left handed were great enbough, but that wouldnt make me ambidextrous. I'd still be right handed. Im right handed, no matter which hand I hold a pencil in.

[quote]I heard that it was Princess Diana walking in on Prince Charles's valet servicing her husband.

In any case, the valet died of AIDS (after he wrote a book)

official ban = unofficial ban

R16 Something tells me you hold your own pencil alot.

My ex, and his friends, would nastily refer to Prince Edward as "Mavis", implying that's what British poofs-in-the-know called him.

The king of morocco. You guys can add the juicy bits.

In history: William III, Prince of Orange and King of England.

R12. Yep. Those are the guys with the shiny brass helmets. Yum. The captain was a totally lovely, sexy man. We saw each other on a casual basis for fabulous sex for a while. Sigh. Memories! R11.

Dame Enda is not a bloody royal. She's an old Aussie bint who gave herself the title of "Dame." And "Dame" isn't even a royal title. It's an honorary or aristocratic title.

They ain't fussy. Women, Men, underage girls, mainly boys .................NOW THEN, NOW THEN!

HOW'S ABOUT THAT THEN?

All rumour, of course.

We wouldn't want most of them. Most royals aren't particularly bright. See British Royal Family.

R16, No. The idea of marrying for love or sexual attraction is a Western concept, and a relatively recent practice. Especially among those with money, status, power, title, or fame, alliances and marriages are for far different reasons.

Yes, I'm so used to saying preference, rather than orientation. The latter word reminds me of college or a new job. I'll admit to sometimes using words incorrectly. I know that preference implies free will which isn't appropriate.

However while we may hear stories that a certain Royal has sex with his valet, we really don't know if it was occasional or frequent. The same would hold true of his spouse. Were they only sleeping together to produce children? Or only when he was drunk?

So honestly how many times would either situation make a man bi but leaning one way or the other? How about if he really prefers 3-ways?

R19 "alot" is not a word. You meant to say: "a lot".

Not to mention the rumours that Princess Margaret herself had a lesbian fling, R4

Plus of course Linley's father, Snowdon, was understood to be bisexual. He was close to the inventor Jeremy Fry; Kitty Kelley all-but outed him in 'The Royals'; and society decorator Nicky Haslam claimed in his memoir to have had fun with him.

I'm not so sure about Snowdon. He married twice, has had many liasons with women within and outside of the marriages, and has fathered at least 4 children with 3 women...

[quote]One of the Dutch king's brothers was rumored to be bisexual

Prince Johan Friso, the one who just died recently.

Isn't Prince Phillip about as straight as you can get? also, I thought that Prince Charles, once you got past that face has a hard athletic body? Am I mistaken?

Henry III of France and his mignons.

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[quote] The queen's nephew, David, the Viscount Lynley (Princess Margaret's son), is also strongly rumored to be bisexual.

His friends call him "Carol". Get it?

I have met Edward a couple of times (he has come to plays I have been involved with). I could swear he was wearing make-up when he was younger, and generally he had a rather gay demeanour.

The guy who writes Downton Abbey, Julian Fellowes, is as camp as pink knickers, although he is married. I can't believe he is 100% straight.

Gay Romanovs in Imperial Russia

As R8 has said, Prince Andrew is not gay. The Riviera 'outing' was total rubbish, as is your claim in the thread title, OP.

Andrew likes women, including very young women and is a sour, arrogant drunk.

Since his marriage to Sarah Ferguson broke down, (which was the result of his violence towards her when drunk), he has taken to employing expensive escorts to accompany him on private yachts, to get his kicks. The kind of escorts who cater to billionaires and royalty, and ex-Presidents e.g. Bill Clinton, Steve Bing, Prince Andrew.

Andrew remains a very good friend of billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein (also a good friend of Clinton and Larry Summers) who trafficked underaged girls for sex. According to prosecutors in Florida, he molested underage girls from South America, Europe, and the former Soviet republics, including three 12-year-old girls brought over to the US from France as a 'birthday gift'. The FBI, identified roughly 40 victims, not counting Nadia Marcinkova, whom Epstein referred to as his “Yugoslavian sex slave” because he had imported her from the Balkans at age 14.

Andrew refused to stop staying as Epstein's guest in the States after this all came to light. As a result, the Queen had to be asked by the UK secret services to stop Andrew's friendship with Epstein, due to the risk of blackmail.

He is not, and never has been, gay.

[R40] Sounds like being gay he would be a much better person.

Exactly, R41. But, there we are. He's not.

So Andrew remains friends with Epstein - though The Queen was asked to make her son end the friendship.

Around the time leading up to William's wedding there were some very heavy stories in the press linking Andrew to Epstein, going as far as they dared with implications about the Prince's activities.

Looks like these stories had the security services behind them to send Andrew the strongest possible warning - especially at a time of national celebration. As against the golden couple, he was painted as an ageing pervert. On the day of the wedding he duly looked like death warmed up.

Maybe now that the world's focus is on Will, Kate and George, The Firm's playboy feels he can resume the servicings he feels he deserves.

I imagine he feels the passing of what prominence he had much more than Anne and Edward, his fellow absentees from that recent pared-down Royal balcony appearance. Fun with billionaires would be the sort of compensation he'd settle for.

Hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume of Luxembourg is rumored to be gay. His recent marriage might be a sham.

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[quote]There are shirtless photos of the young Prince Charles at polo matches and he had a surprisingly muscular, athletic body.

No ma'am. He did not.

Now let's see his father......

What about other royal gays in history? Was Elizabeth I a lesbian? Did Catherine the Great like mares and stallions?

In Ancient Greece many of the men were poofs but what about the women?

Edward II

Frederick of Prussia

Christina of Denmark

Ludwig II of Bavaria

are a few that come to mind

A story about a gay general and his king would be nice.

The British boarding school system exposes the sons of the elite to institutionalized buggery passed down from older to younger pupils. Getting rogered young means getting to pop some newcomer's cherry in due course. They have to learn to keep a stiff upper lip sooner or later.

[quote]The British boarding school system exposes the sons of the elite to institutionalized buggery passed down from older to younger pupils

Too bad the American Ivy League does not uphold this tradition.

Prince Charles belongs on this list

The current kings of Morocco, Cambodia, and Oman are rumored to be gay. In the case of Cambodia and Oman, both kings are unmarried and rather fey looking. The King of Morocco is married to a spectacular looking beard and his kids, but also appears to wear makeup.

The King of Thailand's oldest daughter is a big D.

That should read 'has kids' not 'his kids.'

Typo, sorry. Wasn't implying any sort of child marriage.

R54-no need to be sorry-we ALL make typos, most especially me. we're human!

R48, Elizabeth I was straight and Catherine did not engage in bestiality.

And R21 needs to be less lazy in general, including about correct English.

But what about poor Mr. Pamuk? Surely, he never fancied bopping baloneys with the boys?

There are a lot of rumoured Gay Royals

Besides Present Day Royals there are numerous Royal descendant including Edward 11 .William 11 and111 and Richard 11 and even William the Conqueror.

Lord Snowdon in his recent biography practically admitted he was BI

William the One Hundred and Eleventh? My, there sure have been a lot of British kinds named William!

Lots of kinds.

He may not have been gay but lordy what a collection of tats.

King Frederik IX of Denmark

He's straight, but Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark, always will have my heart.

Frederick IX's tats.

King of Morocco:

King of Oman:

King of Cambodia:

[quote]Did Catherine the Great like mares and stallions ?

What use would Catherine the Great have had for a mare ?

[quote]What use would Catherine the Great have had for a mare ?

No matter how fabulous you are, there's always a Mare nearby who makes you look drab by comparison.

Jeez. Do a search for "King of Morocco" and this is one of the first links that comes up.

I thought it was Prince Edward who had to be forced to marry. He's the one member of the Royal family who has a career (or had) one in the "arts."

He always looked gayer then a Noel Coward tune being sung by Gertie Lawrence!

Oops. Forgot the link.

[quote]What use would Catherine the Great have had for a mare ?

If you are into eating pussy, there is a mouthful!

Prince Edward also bailed out of the Royal Marines after only a few months. Most of the royal men complete their military training and even, like Philip, Andrew, and Harry, see active combat. Edward pinged for that reason alone. He has his nerve wearing military uniform and medals on ceremonial occasions, he looks ridiculous.

Prince Charles is rumored to be gay and Diana apparently knew this.

if Charles ever becomes king how long a rule will it be? 10 years? What does he do with all his time? I assume the family has an army of business managers. Does he have any "projects" that occupy his time?

Manavendra Singh Gohil, Crown Prince of Rajpipla in India is gay and out. I think he was going to marry his partner.

r76, Charles will be like Edward VII

R75 Charles isn't gay, he's always been after the pussy. He is so blindingly obviously straight I can't understand why anyone tries to claim him for the home team. Edward, yep, I can totally see that, but Charles? It'd take more than a DL rumor to convince me. On DL even old Philip is said to be gay, as are Andrew, Ann, Zara, Wills, Harry and probably baby George.

How about Just William, R59?

A married in, but the (now ex) husband (Jaime de Marichelar, el Duque de Lugo) of Princess Elena, the eldest daughter of ex-King Juan Carlos of Spain, was gayer than the flowers in spring (tra la) and how a macho shite like Juan Carlos allowed her to marry him is beyond me - unless of course, Elena herself was a lesbian and her father realised this was the best way to shield his daughter publicly and give her a family without stressing her out too much in the bedroom.

God knows poor Elena looked like one - of the King's three children, his son and younger daughter got the decent looks and Elena drew the short straw, drawing all the worst characteristics of her Bourbon forbears and none of the prettiness of her mother, Queen Sofia, former Princess of Greece.

They are divorced now.

Edward. Everyone knows about Edward, OP.

Bisexuality is not uncommon in royal and aristocratic circles, although not talked about publicly often. When I was living in London, I had first hand knowledge that James Ogivly (the son of Princess Alexandra and Angus Ogilvy) enjoyed the occasional fling with men.

May or may not have been. Dumb enough to have been “Dats da suck job!”

OP sounds so dumb, I want to beat him.

Prince Andrew?? The guy who was molesting GIRLS with Jeffrey Epstein????

[quote]On DL even old Philip is said to be gay, as are Andrew, Ann, Zara, Wills, Harry and probably baby George.

PROBABLY? Little bitch is fucking hard core!

[quote]Does he have any "projects" that occupy his time?

Given the Princes Trust and the other endless charities he’s established constitute the UK’d biggest philanthropic enterprise, I imagine that no, he just twiddles his fingers.

R83 James doesn't ping at all......

[quote]I'm not so sure about Snowdon

FFS! Nicky Haslam wrote about his affair with Snowdon almost a decade ago!

[quote]James doesn't ping at all.

‘Luxury Guru’ is the euphemism de jour!

I assume that among the upper crust same sex experiences are a rite of passage. So I am sure that this includes princes, and future kings.

A cousin of the queen is going to marry another man in the next few days. And I can imagine Prince Harry doing stuff with guys considering some pictures I saw.

Hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume of Luxembourg is rumored to be closeted. He and Princess Stephanie have been married for several years now and still no children. He’s always getting busted staring at men all the time.

Prince Wenzel of Lichtenstein died from an apparent suicide. Found hanging in his bedroom or something. More of an erotic asphyxiation...also rumored to have been linked to men. The Princely Family of Lichtenstein is devoutly Catholic, no doubt he was pressured by his family.

It's a time honored tradition for servants to service their gay masters. This is true for royalty, being a feudal practice everywhere across all ages. It happens today in many countries.

Prince Wenzel....

R93 Guillaume is totally gay and I don't think his extremely Catholic wife hasn't seen a penis in her life. I'm shocked, however, that haven't just had Guil jerk off and use a turkey baster to produce an heir.

Prince Dimitri of Yugoslavia (Serbia?) is a well-known NYC power bottom.

R54 & R65 - the King of Morocco has supposedly divorced his gorgeous redhaired wife so he's single again (not that marriage would stop him from playing the field of course)

R97 - it's been announced that Guillaume and Stéphanie (below) are moving to London. Now why would the Hereditary Grand Duke move to London? Don't they have enough duties to fulfill in Luxembourg? The Palace said it was for Guillaume to pursue a masters degree at the Royal College of Defence Studies but it may be to get away from prying eyes so they couple can go through the IVF process.

R99 Luxembourg is tiny. I doubt there is much for them to do, except for the Grand Duke.

>>>>Since his marriage to Sarah Ferguson broke down, (which was the result of his violence towards her when drunk),

This is the first I have heard of this.

How could Princess Sirindhorn have been left off the list until now?

R102 She was mentioned at R54

She was a scarce afterthought!

Snowdown was a typical arrogant, egotisical fey bisexual with mommy issues. Probably more gay than bi, but hated anyone thinking so. Typical self loather who made a big deal about his womanizing to cover up for it. Set his sights on Margret to one up his cunt socail climbing mother who never gave him attention and prefered his younger brothers. He was friends with the extemely gay interior desinger who married the (rumoured) gay daugther of the gay Earl Mountbatten, David hicks. Upon hearing of Hicks crowing about snagging the rich (through her heiress mother) and aristocratic Pamela, snowdon quickly asked Margaret to get married in order to beat him to the puch. He is said to have remarked; "oh, I dont think thats a very good match" implying he had got a greater prize. Margaret loved fey boys.

Oh and snowden was a tiny little queen (though thought to have a big dick). Only like 5"6

The deposed Romanian pretender to the throne disinherited his grandson for being immoral. I think he’s Gay.

"Immoral" in Romania? What a laugh!

Pamela Mountbatten got the better gay husband, IMHO. By all accounts, David Hicks was lovely to her and a fantastic father, and their house was tasteful as hell.

Snowdon, OTOH, treated every woman in his life like shit: Margaret got the worst of it, but Snowdon cheated on every girlfriend he ever had and emotionally abused them to boot. Evil fucker.

Wow, Prince Guillaume is ugly. Why’s his face so red? Does he have rosacea?

I wonder if the crown prince of dubai (hamdan) is gay. 35, never married, seems sweet and gentle. Younger brothers have been married. Seems odd.

The Chinese have the cut sleeve.

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R44 I don't think Hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume of Luxembourg is gay. He seems to have mild autism as well as bad rosacea. His wife Stephanie comes from a very wealthy and very aristocratic family. Her father is Count Philippe de Lannoy, and he is a descendent of the House of Lannoy founded in the 14th century in Flanders/France.

Being wealthy and descended from a notable aristo family, I don't see why Stephanie would need to marry a gay man. She has her own titles and wealth and her family has a beautiful castle in Belgium.

Stephanie is like Guillaume. She is somewhat introverted, and has a mild deformity with one arm shorter than the other. She eschews high fashion and wears little jewelry and often ties her hair back with a scrunchie, even when attending events. She and Guillaume seem very well-matched.

R114 You have no idea how euro royals or aristocrats operate do you? Of course she has a 'need' to be married.

R115: R114 clearly wrote "no need to marry a GAY MAN."

Pardon rude me, but I'm only posting to keep this in my 'watched' listed (since I can't see to do that any other way).

Me, too.

R116 Gloria von thurn un taxis (born a Countess of Schönburg-Glauchau) married the very gay Johannes tnt. He loved latino twinks. Openly 'bi', but actually gay, and only got married in his 50's. She is deeply catholic and homophobic even though she is bi/lesbian herself. She was in a relationship with princess alessandra borghese. Alessandra seems to be pretty open despite her own catholic conservatisim. Posts photos of her new GF on instgram.

Catholic aristocrats (esp german)n live in another world. They STILL only marry in their own class. They are more 'pure' than royalty so to speak.

Gloria TNT is weird. She had that immense fire sale of assets, and then immediately went out and bought a luxury villa in Africa! The only son still hasn’t married so what’s going on there who knows.

R114 sounds like one of those Royal stans that hog the Royal webpages. They think they own the royals and resent anyone else who has an opinion about their favorite Royal...Guillaumehas his fans and detractors there. They reserve a special kind of hate for Stephanie and Princess Mary of Denmark...

King James I was madly in love with a number of men in his time. More so definitely than with his wife, although he no doubt married to produce heirs and spares at a difficult time for the English monarchy whe Elizabeth I died without progeny.

I think that Phillipos, the youngest son of former Greek King Constantine, looks a bit light in the sandals.

R120 To be fair I would say its quite simple. I would guess she and her daughters would have been left trusts/assests seperate to the main TNT fortune that Albert could have only inherited due to house law. So all the sales of the jewels, paintings, brewery/banking stuff would have been on behalf of Albert. She also had a large collection of modern art on her own. I know she offloaded something like 8 million of it in 2006. Plus, a villa in kenya isnt really that expensive. Her pad in NYC would be though. But also, you do get a sense they made a bigger deal out of being 'broke'. Most of the furniture sold at the palace was said to be crappy stuff that had been kept in storage. The only thing of great loss was the incredible jewels that were sold. They still have some nice stuff, but prior to that sale, the TNT collection could have litterally rivaled and beat some current reigning royal houses.

As for Albert not being married, I would guess its because he hasnt found a 'suitable' bride. She has to be Aristocratic and deeply catholic. While I am sure there are many girls who probably would just at the chance to marry the billionaire, the TNT family are seen as 'nouveau riche' and tacky/ strange and certainly Gloria is given the stink eye by a lot of german aristos. But, they still have a massive palace and Albert is still a billionaire, so they can only give them the side eye so much............

R124 Oh and his older sister Elisabeth who is quite pretty isnt married either. I have followed her insta for a couple of years and she has never posted about dating anyone in that time. Can find any evidence of an ex bf anywhere either.

Prince Philippe’s of Greece

....with girlfriend

R127 Woof she looks like she could be his mother.

Beards tend to be that way, r128.

From some angles he is hot; from others, kind of busted looking. A Royal two face, as it were.

Well he is greek and you don't get to be a full greek without taking some cock.

His brother Pavlov’s was really hot in his youth...now, not so much. What must it be like to be a royal in title only? That’s all that they have. Even their wealth comes from Pavlos’ wife Marie Chantal.

R132 Pavlov was a stud in his youth and still good looking in his 50s now. There have been rumours over the years that he was pushed into his Marie Chantal due to her family's wealth and that he has screwed around on her a lot. MC is allegedly hated within European royal circles.

I have read that Marie Chantal demands that people call her Your Highness...she can be quite the primadonna when she wants to be. Queen Anne Marie has mixed feelings about her. Pavlos is well liked by the British royals because of his links to Prince Philip. What does Lilibet think of Marie Chantal?

What about this cutie pie?

If Bavaria still were a kingdom, he'd be the crown prince. He might also be the future King of Scotland if Scotland were independent but decided to remain a monarchy.

He looks a bit like Ludwig II, the iconic (and apparently gay) king of Bavaria who spent lots of money on fine castles and eventually ended up committing suicide in a lake.

R134 Marie Chantal is big into her title which is why she has turned a blind eye to her husband's frequent indiscretions. Marie Chantal does have her good moments, for example, she called out Queen Letizia of Spain for being a cunt to her mother-in-law Queen Sofia.

The Greek royals and British royals are close not just because of Philip but also because the Greeks came to live in London after they were exiled and I think the British royals helped them financially.

Is Lady Colin Campbel Campbel connected to the Royals? She's the I in LGBTIA

When James VI of Scotland also became James I of England (mentioned above), a popular saying was "Elizabeth was King, now James is Queen.

Like during his lifetime, Julius Caesar was known as "Every wife's husband and every husband's wife."

It's not much talked about but King Hussein of Jordan was at least bi. A much older friend of mine when I first came out had been kept by him for several years when the the friend was pretty young blond twink.

^ Too many typos above to bother correcting. Sorry.

King James had almost Datalounge levels of misogyny too.

I know a prince and a king. They don't really count as the prince is from a country where you couldn't throw a stone without hitting one and the king is by title only though he has a palace or two.

Who are the hideously ugly people in r114’s pictures?

Dame Elton